Do you think the fact that there are, I don't know, 4005 thousand birthday kebab around the world and millions and 1,000,000 millions of Jews who were touched by it happens to be Lubavitch?

Why?

Because there's some great organization in the world of Lubavitch, some master plan marketing plan that succeeded, that there probably are better marketers, healthier than us and more organized people than us.

I've ever pushed it.

It's this Likudu, the Rebus Machanakas and we have to realize it, the yoker of that.

And that is why Lubavitch today, not Lubavitch's forever.

That's that is why we we are who we are.

And the others are still scratching their heads and wondering how did they do it?

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Dahan Good afternoon, Rabbi Landa, how are you doing?

Barkha Sham.

OK.

Thank you for being here.

You don't live here.

So thank you for making the trip and welcome to Among Sudan.

Thank you, it's a pleasure to be here and there are other things over here that attract me as well, but this, this alone is worth is worth the trip.

OK, very good.

And so there's a few things that I want to discuss with you that I know about, but I always find it interesting to discuss the things that I, that I don't know about.

So I've done this before when I, this, when I talk to others, sometimes if we do a little bit chronological type of thing that, that, that, that, that might be a good way to start.

So in your case, I don't know your background, where you, where your parents came from, where where, where, where, where you grew up.

I actually don't know.

So if I don't know that's I'll be more interested to know.

OK, I'll share that I actually grew up in Borough Park.

My father is at Homer than the Shiva in Shanghai.

He joined the Shiva.

He joined the Shiva at the outbreak of the war.

It's a whole long story that it's it's not for now.

He wasn't in.

He wasn't in Otwotsk from the first.

He went to Vilna and he had this attraction to see this.

That's what it was.

He came from a Galatianic sideshomerch broker.

I'm not following.

He was not in Atwatsk.

He wasn't in Atwatsk correct?

He joined the Shiva in Vilna.

He he had this attraction.

It's a whole long story that he was very drawn to see this.

And particularly for Siddis Kabat.

He came from Galatianic Siddim.

Sadigar's father was Sadigar Coset, but he was drawn to Kabat, and in Vilna he was, he was.

He was made Fitz Siddhus at the beginning of the war, The beginning of the war, all of the yeshivas went to Vilna.

So in one city he had all of the literature.

There's a few Siddhishi Shivas, mostly the Shivas.

Denver well, literature some some Musaddiki.

She was he wasn't actually he was actually in the Pinsky Yeshiva and he he thirst for Sidis and he also organized, if you can find it in Todos Kabad in Todos Kabad, the Poland little Latvia.

He started that what a fleet de Kerebe gave a name Igu Tambi de hai Yeshivas Megazak Sidim.

In all these yeshivas, there were a lot of there were literature yeshivas, but there were a lot of khasidi shubakram who ended up over there for all kinds of reasons.

If they wanted a yeshiva and the Khasidi shaan hug and everything else went because that that wasn't the video over there.

And this bothered him very, very much.

And he organized in all of these yeshivas.

Those who are Megazza Hakhasidim should get together and they should learn Hasidis whatever it was a whole it it it was a whole operation that he kind of and at the end of that process, they they were not very happy Yeshiva.

He was in Pinsk and they were that what not happy was that Nevardik and they weren't happy that that was going on coming out of their yeshiva and he was unhappy with what was you know that that it it didn't allow for learning of citizen and Hoga and kind.

So he asked the label about becoming a town within the issue.

The physical, The physical You're talking about top Shin and what?

Do you mean he asked if?

He did.

He asked if he wrote.

He wrote.

We have the letter that the label writes to him.

He was in America.

Ilebu just arrived in America that time, Yeah.

And he said, and the label writes to him that don't remember Osen Vendic.

We treasured that that letter because that's when he became he became he became a ganzer Hasit and the rest is history.

We even have the the Mashpee and the Shivan Zundo Isaac Borg.

We have him a letter from him right into the lever.

But the city gave him told him that the sort of Laha Hashem Asher heir with an olive heir, Espinoza the hair S Livovi and aroused his heart because of course there's this sugar that he has to learn to see this and he should be my mother of that sugar.

And she just turned with me and that became his key.

So it became that that's that's my father, my the Fiddy Krabbe in America.

So they came.

He never saw the Fiddy Krabbe before.

Never saw before.

Yeah, OK.

Never saw before, but a lot of letters asked, answered, and they might after the war option evolved.

They arrived over here.

They're from Shanghai and my Zeidan, that's not her aim.

Was in America during the war.

Everything lives in Williamsburg.

But this is before that whole album came out.

So he was here during the war.

Most of his family was wiped out in the Holocaust.

My my mother and her sister and her brother survived.

They were in Auschwitz and they were in Bergen Belsen, nothing but Giliton.

And after the war you have to rebuild.

He wanted to this is new to him.

This whole Indian of a of a of a Bava succeed them.

This was this wasn't known.

It was a brand of Siddis that wasn't kind of familiar them, but he wanted an Adam with Borden payers.

That's what he wanted.

And so that's what happened.

My if you want to hear my he lives on Wilson St.

I was in that house in Williamsburg.

So my mother, when she arrives, she's looking after Wyndham Wilson St.

And how far is that from 770?

Not very far.

So the group of Bochum Lubavitcher Bochum who walked past the streets.

So what are they wear her beards Schlatzer a Gray hat with with with with short, you know, jackets or whatever the way the way they looked back then she calls her for she tells used to tell us that she calls her father Tata.

There's any of those things you should go like she should never saw somebody like that.

And eventually they met and got married in Borkar.

She say we are because they.

They look funny.

She never saw such a mahalo of Sidhum that wear these funny American clothes, so he explained to them.

So Grace and Sadek, whatever it is, and these are his tumbi them.

So that's the story.

So in America, your father was learned in.

Bedford first in Bedford in 770.

Yeah.

Your father.

Yeah, until he until he got married.

I altered bacha.

They were all altered bacha.

They were they were probably I'm guessing 2728 by the time they arrived here.

Some were a little bit older, some were a little bit younger.

And the feed the kid ever took, he's my father would tell.

They took an interest in each one of them.

They were all the assignment and he cared for them in a in a in a very personal way and took an interest in they should do him and so forth.

And and that's that's that's the beginning of that.

Interesting.

Sorry.

It was actually of the Rebbe and my father was gone.

So horses from head to toe and that the Mossad, the condition of that wedding of my parents was the Satmarov.

My father didn't break the hastener.

My Zeta did.

He used to break the hastener.

So I guess he was in charge of that then.

And so we have a picture.

There's a picture that became world famous because it's he's sitting there.

You can see rather mentally sitting around.

But the Cabal Sponen where you see him sitting at the head is we're familiar with them.

Interesting.

So how did your parents end up in Borough Park?

The rabbit gave them so their father was in Milan, but in the in the in the Shiva Borough Park and in the rabbit set to live in the other work.

Which issue was that?

Bear Schnul.

You went to Haiti there.

I was kids.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When we when we, when we just Hank it up, when we sat Shiva from my father Goku and beat them from from Bear Schnul who remember them from who knows how long ago.

So how long were you learning there?

I finished, I left Bearschmull I think 5th grade and I was the youngest of the boys so and then I went to Bedford from 5th grade or not and that's it.

I went through the whole system.

So you were in Bedford through high school?

The fire at the end of Bedford.

What are they talking about?

The fire.

There was a fire in Bedford, indeed, a big fire in the middle of learning.

That's why that was the end of Bedford.

Yeah, but the building, the new building on Ocean Park was being built already.

I thought it was because of there was too many rats in the.

Someone told me there was too many rats in the.

Middle, I'm sure that too.

I remember that fire very this is a very distinctly the whole 4th floor was in flames.

You're not talking about a small fire.

There's a big fire.

There's a middle of learning.

It's in the afternoon and and for a number of weeks, maybe even a couple of months or so, we learned from different places in Crown Heights and some schools and whatever.

And then for the next month, the Ocean Parkway was already finished.

See you were in Ocean Parkway I.

Was in Ocean Parkway.

Yeah.

This Madrid.

No.

Third year of my sister.

I had Rabbi Ushpal.

I had Rabbi Bookers.

I had Rabbi Shrey.

Third year of my sister.

Yeah, over there.

And then from there you went to Newark.

But then Newark ended, and Morristown began.

So you remember you're at the tail end of all the mazeless.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, I, I was not there the first year of Morristown.

I was there the second and third year of Morristown, Yeah.

When Newark and Morristown were happening simultaneously.

They went together, no Newark ended and those the class above us was the first one to initiate.

So you never were, you never went to.

I was never in Newark and.

And then after after Mars down two years, so the rebel then sent to shlichus to several yeshivus to to France 10 Berkham 10 to.

What years are you talking about?

I'm missing missing.

This one, I'm guessing that that was Lamid Dalido Lamid Hey, that represent three cruises of Shlukham to Montreal, one to Montreal, one cruiser to Montreal, one cruiser to Krahabad.

Went to terrorism in Ushalim where I ended up and went to Bernoir.

Till I'm down.

Then I believe that's what it was.

Could be possible?

So you went to terrorism?

I was in terrorism that wasn't experienced in itself.

So before terrorism, you, you were a bacher.

You went first of all, when you were a kid, you went to this.

My first Yukidis that I remember that I had, that's what I remember that I had was, was my bar mitzvah and I was with my parents.

And then those years we observed that every yamalitis you were able to go in after that.

So last time I counted, it's a real dovish of a millionaire Yukidis.

The 7/7 that I had, that's what they have.

The last one was a Skosenkala.

So the dabba stop the I think.

For.

The I just I happened to just learn the Sika announces that there will be no longer be.

There were couple of kufus of kind of dialing down.

It wasn't in one fell swoop.

It started off.

I remember that you need to have a settle from down holder, but Schmear says slurred him and so forth, which I don't remember anyone who wasn't able to get it.

Maybe my circle of friends were all the good kids, but that was 1 dialing down and and then was when yeah, when it ended, it was, you know, it changed.

It changed.

That's that's what needed to be done.

So that's what happened.

Even the he doesn't for Hassan has changed.

I think the rabbit said that the thought was I'm like paraphrasing.

The thought was that it's going to be a big to Ellis, but not necessarily was it?

In the city I'm.

Pretty sure that's the driver says yeah, I guess we didn't do what we were supposed to.

What?

Is there anything from you Yechidis and when you're a Bucher that's noteworthy?

A couple of reasons, not Yechidis, and I'll share a few things that I think are noteworthy and also applicable.

OK, useful.

That's.

Whatever you don't want to share is more interesting.

Or what I do want to share is not interesting.

So what should you say?

No, I said more.

All right, more interesting.

OK, go ahead.

I don't have anything, you know.

So you go ahead and know what what is?

No, I.

Was going to share a little bit in terms of the schlickers and lead into the this.

OK, I'm just I'm just trying to go in in order.

And you want to go in the.

Same.

So we got to the schlickers.

So after the Hassanov no.

After the Hassenov went to Kudlu and.

One second when you were a bucker.

You're not ready to jump over that.

Yeah, I have to my brain, I want to pick a local.

Yeah, when you were a bucker and when you're learning about Fred and Dean, and then in Newark and then in Maristown.

Maristown you were come.

You were by the Rebus Fabling, like all the Shabasan.

Whenever there was a for Bregen, I don't think it ever happened that we we were there and there was a for Bregen.

I don't remember that, but the cloud goble was that whenever there was a Shabbos you didn't know.

Later on it became that it was a virago Shabbos for Brendens, but it used to be sharpest mvorkram and some other time, you know whenever there was when the leper saw fit to make it for brangen and you didn't always know.

You didn't always know.

Sometimes you found out they have the sharkless if the if the mussif.

He.

Was giving a clap or whatever it is and he was announcing mincha.

So if the label waited for mincha, that meant that it wasn't for Brangen.

If the label went out before mincha was announced, that means the mincha will be after, you know that, you know, that was the the signal whether there was so sometimes you only heard about it on Shabbos.

But I, I don't remember in the two years that I was in Marristown, if, if it happened, that happened extremely rarely that we were there, right, because there was anticipation that there won't be if I bring in and, and I have to tell you that Dos Shabbos and that we were there on Shabbos is Bazander Gishmach in Yeshivan Shabbos.

See this before Kabola Shabbos Shabbos in the morning, a little bit of a little bit of an opportunity of, you know, whatever.

But those, those, those were very special times.

Really.

Actually, we wanted to be there.

When you were in bed for you also by the Feblings and Chavez or your home.

In Bedford.

So how old was I?

Wait a minute.

So in Bedford, if there was a Fabregan, I would walk.

I was.

I didn't have where to stay.

I wasn't.

There was no dorm.

I was home.

I walked this the mahalo from Borough Park to Crown Heights.

By myself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I walked.

I can't even tell you how many dozen.

Sometimes, probably maybe a couple of 100 times I said that we did that.

That was that was the usual thing in order for me to arrive on time.

I used to hop up as a minion and Borough Park somewhere that happened early and and I went they finished then I went and I came there.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember once arriving come to 770 yesterday was a long walk was from where I was where I lived in Borough Park was an hour and a half and be Strolopkowski sees me coming here.

There's no for bringing.

So still some 70s quiet.

I come in, come from Borough Park, Ozark.

The doses have scar Halika, right?

That was it.

OK.

And then you were sent out from Maristown to Telesamis.

Finished Maristown.

We were going to go into what was then called We actually started because the sneakers in entire semis started the after tishri.

So ello we we we were sitting in a hover of a toilet.

That's a rather mentally just called the the hover of a toilet shoe.

So we learned to have a toilet and found a place where we can lay down and have a bed with Eric.

And then then there's the Sikhel wars.

That Sikhel that ever spoke about Arze Hvan and Ashenoto, that has to be in the TM and welcome to Malcolm.

And was this whole name of in these places And that Sikh I think was that was before Shoshana if I'm not mistaken.

So you didn't know?

We didn't know that this was going to happen.

That wasn't to say that.

And it was figured out who goes where and the FT Yontiff.

But the rebel was sending Schluchem to Terra Samus before.

Nope.

And not Tashkov Zain there was.

Oh.

OK, that's it happened.

That's long before me you're talking about.

I'm talking.

But am I saying, hey, no, that's a long time.

I think it happened, but that wasn't the regular say there.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

It was not the say there for 20 years before us.

No, something like that.

Yeah, there were hookups there.

So the Mercedes Snapfish of the locals, they hear a hookup.

The embassies Snapfish was to get up at 2:00 in the morning for us, there wasn't a Mercedes Snapfish.

There wasn't even a thought.

So those kinds of things, you know.

But they did it.

Some didn't, some some didn't, some didn't.

So you were there for two years, then you came.

We were there for two years and came back and we were in 770.

So you got married I.

Was 770 yeah.

So in 770 Nope, didn't go straight to 770 the first year we were in ocean Parker.

They still come in Ocean Parker.

Are you familiar with that?

I don't know.

So we were they called the altar Barker in ocean Parker in Bismet dista.

So good year we heard shoe room from that's like you're costing them very good schmuck and.

That was your SO that's when you interact with the bill.

Not not in high school.

No, I had a rebel in Ocean Park in Mississippi.

In Mississippi, Yeah.

Gave a rebel.

They gave him for 15 year old kids.

You know, that was his job.

You didn't.

That was actually his job.

His job was his that he taught 15 year old kids, Odom, Chiakariev and Lucuta.

You know those my mother Miller Curtain special.

No, I also learned there from Sisaka.

Both one year was one.

It was 2 years.

No, two years.

I had the repeal 1516 something like that in the best Madras when you were Robert Ushball had the first year of this Madras.

Robert Booker had the second year of this Madras and those two years you had the reburial and there's no question about it that he opened up, you know, Taki Young, but I didn't quite grasp in young, not that older people do grasp in young.

You can be older not grasp movies that design.

But that was that was wonderful.

That was what was that?

It was actually fantastic.

Maybe it's the opposite.

Maybe some it's not that.

When you're older you need a proper must be.

When you're younger, it doesn't make a difference.

Maybe if I care it when you're younger you need the reveal.

I don't know.

Maybe.

Maybe that, but to be for the kids, it was a great thing.

It wasn't.

I'm not saying that you would think, though, that, you know, for those who are sharkist to understand more, you need someone who could be masked with something more.

But then we had him a whole year.

We were at that time probably 2122, I'm guessing, when we were in Ocean Park, Park 21 this time a little bit more sharkist and things like this.

You know, I ended up we our group ended up in terrorist Simmons for whatever the reasons were.

Everybody had their own reasons, but there wasn't anyone over there who in Kempstock Siddis, there wasn't everyone.

So one of the differences between Schaumburg Siddim and in terms of of one of our saga, you know, good for stain something in Hezbollah.

That's you needed to but.

It wasn't.

Their cup of tea there wasn't their union.

Our friends who went to crack about God, they we were envious of them.

We were envious and how that ended up I don't know.

Shameheim knows.

After some time the Mendel was there, but they had they had Mushfiim over there and they had shoot him.

We had in Niggler, we had Zelik Feldman, something extraordinary.

Can't duplicate that either.

OK.

And so you're back in in Ocean Parkway and then you and then you went to 770.

Yep, Yep.

So.

That's what you learned the the other day and Smith and Yep, 770.

So what year did you get married?

Llama Sion and Summer of Amazon.

And you're initially this before the Hassanam?

Yeah.

Then you went to cuddle.

And then I went to cuddle.

For how long?

I was there for a year, almost finished the year, yeah.

So before we move on to the what?

What like you knew you wanted to be like?

How did this work?

Yeah, we came out yeah.

And and and I'm very proud to say that all of our at all but the Rubam Kulum and that was a Khiddish.

I think that was the beginning.

Where this became the norm is the Islam.

So that was the beginning of that.

I think so.

I think that more or less that KUFA that vintage it it it became listen, for some people it's not shy whatever.

I'm not making it.

I'm just saying in terms of numbers, it became well, I think what year was the INR of mostess?

That was Lama base, Lama base.

So that started, you know, I really believe.

I really believe.

But by the time my wife and I went out in the Schliegers, it the numbers had already gotten up.

Not everybody was in America, but there could be that I was.

I don't know what it was, but the there were more verses and there were more and and those years, listen, I was, I was sitting and I remember that vividly.

And I can tell you who was sitting next to me that first kinda there wasn't Mitsius of Akinas.

Even Dal or something that.

That's the year it was.

The the American kindness.

American.

Yeah.

It was only American.

Canada, I think it was.

Yeah.

And then that episode Vendor by the apparel machiner Arkinus Elami.

That's what it says first, international kindness.

But I remember sitting upstairs, maybe 30, the Derrick, and most of them were the the older group.

Few of us were the youngsters.

And we were before there was Akinus.

We were starving for this.

Because there's no facts, there's no communication.

If you want to talk long distance, you have to pay $0.25 a minute.

You know what I mean?

That too.

I want you to know phone calls were actually called partners.

That's what it wasn't just to be able to have a how much did you do by phone?

You were really not independent.

You, you, you were meant to be self-sufficient.

self-sufficient.

A little isolation, right?

But yeah, but you were meant to be self-sufficient.

It's very, very hard.

The stuff that was here for granted, now it's all kind of symbolic.

You know, you have shroom that are given to you, you have topics, you have ideas you can issue.

We were starved before there ever was a kind of sashtukum.

My cover.

When we heard that this was going on, the first kind of sashtukum, it was like an excitement.

We sat in the front row, didn't want to miss a word.

So how did the schlickers come about?

The the back story in terms of specifically of Saint Louis the back story I found out afterwards there was a group of all about me.

So you need to know this about Saint Louis.

St.

Louis is a always was a harshita start.

If you could ever went there.

Yeah, but there were others place.

There's also the 10 cities.

That's the one time I'm working on a book about that.

There's an article in this month they had about the.

And some of the stuff that's in that is from my pre article article that's published in cobot.org and.

It's footnoted.

Without without attribution?

I think so.

You have.

To make a correction.

That was written already stumbled 20 years ago.

OK.

And from then I have I have a lot, a lot more material as I share.

That's OK, that's good.

So a good good number of even there's 60,000 Jews a hair.

I have Roshi, it's an organized killer.

There's a variety here over here, that's Levada here in Saint.

Over here, I'm saying in Saint Louis, it's a vada year of organized shules and Orthodox shules for Stezer.

That's I think 125 years old.

So you talk about a Kahila.

It was functioning when we arrived, 6 or 7 Orthodox shules and they were mostly ownership shooter Shabbos did what they were supposed to do.

But the most Shiva very few, a small handful, a small, small handful of people who went to yeshiva, who went to Turvidal, some people, some people who went to high Berlin.

You know, their parents wanted them to learn something.

But those Mama shihite schooler, you probably count them on the fingers of your hands and maybe have a couple of fingers to spare.

So Saint Louis was a was wasn't even be so I don't know what some ideas.

There was a letter that was written to the lip of which I have a copy about 10 signatures.

So a.

City like that, isn't it strange that there wasn't there till then?

There was no, no, there was no one who was called a sticker.

There was some hobatnik.

So I'm saying wonderful hobatics.

So first of all, Ravi Sholam Rivkin, who later on became Ravi Roshi, is Bel Rivkin's son.

He became the He say he was in Saint Louis.

I said Bocher.

I have the letter to feed the Kareva.

There's a shoe on Saint Louis called Nusakhari.

So there was the bandage activity.

Yes, yes, I can't and one of the reasons I want to write this book is I wanted to document that this is we're not visitors over here.

You know, way back when there was there was there were Hasid them from Gaza.

What's the FID Kareva used to call?

They knew that if they need her of the place to get her of.

Is that the Rotary Fid Kareva and he tacked A sentiment by Sholom Rifkin.

He was a Bochadan.

I think he was 22 years old.

There's the winding over here.

So I just saw this and I noticed this.

I remember what's safe.

I have my modem, it's in the back.

Are some crusted there?

If I bring some crusted by the physical, I think instruction tests makes sense that it was touched in Tess and it's everything is in in Russia Tavis.

So you have to guess who it is, but I'll be posh this the guess is a correct one is Rabbi Rifkin senior went over to the physical apparently in San Cristela.

His son Sholin was already in Saint Louis far away, right Vitavec.

You know, he he's the traveler by train, maybe by both surface and he's his Masquier, his son Shalom.

It's a very interesting answer over there.

And that's why I'm it's it's printed with Russia Davis, but it says the halter for Klugen.

I always or I always held you for Klugen.

You need to remind me about Shalom that he's always in my Makshova all the time.

And I I, I think this some of the stories that I can share with you about this is I think this is true of oxygen.

And then you could all I think I say this, this is the Mesius.

That's when it was said.

But the the M is the phone is is true always.

You referenced that, yeah, and and and.

And many, many hundreds of slukum can tell you stories that point in that direction.

Sometimes we see it bugoli.

The care, push it, the care and the concern.

Sometimes we see it Bugoli and then it's always there.

It's always there.

So you know, we talked about the Yehudesan and we see it, we feel it as a minus.

So it felt.

But afterwards we can sign that.

I've always used to say, you know, and that's it.

It can't be a son.

Everything that happens has to be only a little mother is a gay fashte be fashte.

Go ahead.

So the Balabatam wrote a letter to the.

So they wrote a letter and.

What did they say that they?

We want to have a letter.

It's the English we, we, we want to have the, the teachings of, of Chabad.

We want we want to raise our children to have to have the something like that and the people who signed it.

It wasn't a show it.

Wasn't a show.

No, no, no.

It was a piece of a white sheet of paper.

I have it with all the signatures.

I knew the people who signed it.

I think every single one of them is Shova Khaim Lahal Hai already.

And that's I'm telling you that's the back story, which I didn't know was shots my because I didn't see this letter.

Someone gave it to me.

One of the signatures.

The letter had a copy of it.

So he gave it to me and Robert Schaumann Weinberg his moment both on Kansas and Missouri.

So I think the the one who came knocking on my door was very Sean Weinberg that he was looking.

This is about after that period of time when this letter was sent.

So he you, you know.

I imagine, I mean, maybe I was told I I don't remember.

It's a long time ago.

I don't remember, but that's pretty, pretty a a good bet that that was the story.

That was the story.

See what looking And of course went and looked and took interest in.

What do we know then?

I'm kidding around.

You know, we're we're we're I'm coming.

I'm travelling to Saint Louis.

I'm going to see if to see if it's Roy for Spaceman.

Spaceman.

Yeah, we went.

Now there's a couple, you know, you can, you know, you scout out the place and you get all the stats and, and the the average household income and so forth and so on and what the taxes are etcetera, etcetera.

None of that existed.

No one thought about that at the moment.

We went very much between this, very much between this.

So you you wrote to the Rebbe about this option like how did how did that work?

No, I only wrote about this.

Only wrote about that.

And yeah, we arrived in Saint Louis.

I thought there's something, you know, little things over here, here and.

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You've arrived in Saint Louis.

The first thing that we just give in you come in you Teskislov.

So I'm coming straight from Yeshiva from curl you Teskislov is not going to go by without whatever and and Saint Louis, like I said, had an of an ocean shooting, but people who you know, you can call them so far, Brandon, you Teskislov.

Some of them were those Hasidim from Gaza, you know, So I'm here for Brangen and I was in my house, in our house.

We were just we, we, we left after two months later, whatever it was, it was what we would call now a small in the, you know, Hamisha for Brangen.

So next year we resolve or we're going to make a nice big for Brangen.

It was a shul.

The same shul.

This new Sakhari shoe.

Same show as what?

What one that.

Yeah, that show, that show he wasn't there over there anymore.

He had left.

He was there over there for a number of years.

There's all kinds of interesting stories that ever predicted when he left.

They ever told him that he's going to come whenever he'll come back.

What happened was that after of Eichenstein was nifter.

We were in Saint Louis really then of Eichenstein was the 6th was the was the for many years the Rav Roshi.

It's a unique position that Saint Louis has Rav Roshi.

That was his title and that's what he did.

He didn't he wasn't really a love of a specific shul.

He was the love of the valley ear, which represented all the shules and all of the most this in town.

So after he was nifter Robert Sholom Rifkin had hassidim of his who really enjoyed him when he was there and it's like some super handful of people and they happened to be in a position of leadership Cantor Basilan and they went to some issues.

This one went to Tervitas this, like I said, Haim Berlin, the Christ of whoever they went and they said we need a new Rob Rush.

It's going to be Robert Sholom Rifkin, and that's how he came to.

So you know, I I I I was AI was a youngster without being perished people's because youngsters are just new in town.

This whole thing happened six months in Saint Louis, more or less, when Rav Akersten was sniffed.

And right away the conversation was let's find a new Rev Roshi.

And I wanted it to be at least someone who is, you know, Akhabadni, King Johnson, Abyssal, Asarc, you know, So again, without mentioning those, there's a roof, there's a roof of Babatirov who was misugal, I thought for this and I called them up and I said, you know, this is happening.

They're looking, I think you should submit your candidacy.

I I didn't think of Rabashawnbrifkin.

I didn't ever catch it with him.

I didn't think about it.

I thought of this.

I would have gone to as many as I can, let them all submit to Canada as long as it succeeded.

Should of.

So that wrote to the letter.

I guess he was interested in it and he got an answer.

As long as it doesn't hurt the candidacy of Rabashawnbrifkin.

So haste is that that's the way it was meant to be.

So that's that's.

You're holding it to skisly when you made a February.

I made a bigger friend.

Thank you very much Yeah.

You'll have to do this through our our conversations remark me where I was up to so we had this is the lower level of the Musa Kharishul.

It was a much a Shabbos kumacha mulava malka.

Yeah, it's a different thing now.

The from communities large, this grown that developed.

It wasn't that way.

200 people showed up.

I brought to Rabbi, we brought to Rabbi Marsha Feller.

He regaled, he told, he spoke, he had a meeting from the palm of his hands.

It it was a historic thing.

So what I'm going to tell you is so I sent invitations.

I didn't make invitations for this.

I'll tell you how BLOB I went to a printer and the printer types it.

That's what you had to do then.

And there's an invitation and I have to have a description explanation of what your test Kislev is.

You sent it out stamps whatever.

We had a couple, 100 people sent.

They had never seen something like this.

And so we sent an invitation to the debit with a return envelope.

You know those bills, I think it was with a return envelope.

Yeah, I have what came and as far as I know that wasn't the Devashri 3036 dollars.

That's what it was.

It was $36 for a couple come.

It was a 20 and A10 and A5 and A1 cash and it was me.

I'm a client's handwriting.

Christakos, Fred, Kushus, Hartmer, Hausmann, Osilov, Mutas, Kislev.

So that's what I have.

Yeah.

Was, you know, you get something like that.

There's there were a number of stories maybe we'll get to.

It right when you saying right when you come, come on.

Yeah, it's all the way to the beginning.

For you throughout this being part of of your.

That too, I hope.

I I'd like to think that those were moments that I was there to Costa, Rabin, Akhsfur.

And over other such moments, that's.

What we're about.

Yeah.

We think we're leaders and yeah, visions are garnished.

That's the key.

I'll share with you this, might see if we can get to talk about the Medeiros.

We have time, don't worry.

So I'll tell you some stories over there, OK?

So we'll get to it.

No, you're taking the local.

What were the What were other such incidences that you saw?

The Deb is a siaxis to your status A.

Lot of man has to do with the manega so but if you can put it off for later I'll share some of those things.

You can start, you can do the Maneza and then we'll and then we'll you can always go back.

So I think now we're no longer chronological order we'll.

It's pretty much chronological.

The nerd story happened very early on.

Oh yeah.

It was, it was you went.

I want her to do.

Something you went?

I went no.

By the time we landed, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

We arrived as Tishrei Mem olive.

So that's so you're in close for a few years.

Such a good number Long.

My wife was teaching about certificate.

They didn't want her to leave.

It took a little bit of time from the time that we got the answer from the repertoire actually going.

It took some time, not a lot of time.

It took some time.

And so I, I wanted to do something about stickle vision.

You know, if if anybody said I can understand this, you came to a town, 99% of the Jews in the town never heard the word kabat, Vasilas, not vasilas.

What's that you have to explain?

So I mean, there was some old, old timers, a new Kabat, maybe some of the old timers in this Nusakharishu, they were there.

But I said that's what you're talking about.

You have to literally explain you met somebody, what are you here for?

You know, fellow factors in one way or another.

The questioner says, what are you doing over here?

You have a school, you're teaching in the school, you have a school.

You didn't have either one of those things.

So what are you doing?

They they couldn't grasp the concept of what we were doing.

And it was I wanted to make a stickle impact in town.

Other than the few people that I was learning with or teaching, you didn't have prepared lessons either.

You had to do it all.

You know what was the one book that wasn't available in English about the cities Think Jewish by Zalman poster?

That was the book.

Yeah, that was the book.

So I I'm just trying to understand.

It was very clear that you're not here to make a show.

It wasn't MUFRO.

It wasn't MUFRO, but you're coming to a community that has established you have to be very careful not to be seen as hurting anybody because so doshul, there's even a Nusakharishul, you know what I'm talking about.

So granted, they didn't do the work that we ended up doing and, and, and end up with six Lukhenberg Hashem that we have today.

Yeah, Yeah.

Granted that that wasn't that wasn't the case, but you can't do anything to hurt them.

So we have to be very, very careful and go about it in the judicious way.

There was a day school that was a question of day school and and shuls, right.

So anyway, I wanted to do something that's for hop in the community, something up the the the So at that time there was the tumul here.

My friend is so abroad.

This thing.

I think you wrote about it, Teaneck, last year, you wrote about it.

So those letters, those letters, how would we see those letters?

I don't know.

This time I heard about it somehow.

I asked him to mail the letters to me.

I mean.

The letters to the Federation.

The Federation, I'm just saying, there wasn't even a place where you would automatically find this.

You can't go to.

It wasn't a website.

It wasn't.

You have to understand how out of the loop everybody felt.

You, your mommy, had to call somebody and hear about it.

If you were, you called the right person and he didn't have it, then how was he going to get it?

How was he going to get it?

There's no fax machine either.

He has to mail it to you.

I mean, just appreciate that.

See straw blood mailed you the.

I don't remember now, but yeah, so as I saw, I saw that this is the thing that they ever wanted.

You're saying even the fact to make a public moneta then it wasn't like, OK, this is what you do.

It was like the idea that they heard.

That I know that in Philadelphia had.

And then there was who was the fellow Francisco?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Big one.

Maybe.

I saw pictures of it, so hang the phone, OK?

Hep's a schlepper guy who's coming.

You're always the first 1020 guys that you attract are always a little bit interesting when you're going sneakers.

And I mentioned to him what I want to do.

Oh, as a HomeAdvisor.

He sits down and he and he designed them 15 feet, 2 halves, 4 branches, and the middle is with the two of them are brought together.

So you have them.

So it's three pieces of Hakko, the brackets on on the bottom.

So keep it standing up right and two halves of dominator four and four attached in the middle and 15 feet tall.

A gamacha design.

Now we found it's a fabricator, a metal fabricator.

It was a Yami, the gelt back then, probably, which I didn't have you talking about a long time ago.

500 bucks he wants.

It's a collector.

So there's a metal fabric.

OK, so then where do I put it?

So I'm driving around.

There's a government center.

Clayton.

Clayton is Saint Louis is Saint Louis City.

It's the city of Saint Louis.

Where everybody lives is Saint Louis County.

And the county has a County Executive.

He's like the mayor of the county.

St.

Pink, there's a mayor and the government office.

They had a big nice Plaza and I had a younger man over there, Ayid from Ayid, who was the latest in politics and he knew the County Executive.

I gave him this idea.

All of this was whatever it was news to him.

He never.

OK, next idea, you know, let's do something for the Jewish community that time of year.

You know, that's basically what it was.

It it seemed that he didn't think it was a problem legally or anything.

I don't have any problem but County Executive sure I'm asking and what happened was I come there delivery we're bringing it to the morning Gov three pieces of them there are there.

And there was an event or just you wanted to.

I we were going to make an event.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But that was the plan.

And come there, put the first thing was we're putting it up.

Was a few days before Konica.

The first thing was we're putting it up.

We had the as a full cycle.

I had that.

I knew that there was an issue over here that the Jewish community here and there, they have their stick separation church state and whatever it is that they think this is bothering them so much.

Cycle I had, you know something, I'm not going to make a big tumble beforehand.

Let's get it up.

We'll get it up.

It'll come.

It'll already be Lahamaisa.

You know it's up already.

So.

So you're in the disposition.

I didn't imagine anyone how we would break out.

It was a terrible.

You knew that people locally had an issue, you know?

No.

No, I didn't.

No, I didn't talk to anybody about it, but I better keep it quiet until we get it up.

I was interested to get up in the safe home, which saved the day.

Actually.

I come there, it's delivered.

No one in the community knows about it, but the county executive's office sent down a guy saying, stop, you can't put it up.

I was year number one, in contrast to year #2 when all you know what broke loose, let's say you're number one, you're #1 the County Executive sent somebody down.

We have to have our county, the counselor's office, the legal lawyer of the county needs to take a look at this, whether this is OK.

And then there was no, there was no rulings from the Supreme Court.

Eventually there was a ruling in Pittsburgh and a few other things.

Whatever all of that, they tithed that this is unconstitutional.

They always tithed that male I'm I'm not to listen to their understanding of the Constitution if the courts will say that it's unconstitutional.

You know, that's basically what my approach was.

I didn't.

Anyway, the guy comes down, says he can't put it up.

Wait, the county counselor is going to study this and we're going to decide I'm in the EKUF?

I took out $0.10 from my pocket and I went to the pay phone and I called mosquitoes and I told them what was happening.

I want to put up a writer and these are the going.

This is nothing to do with the Jewish community yet.

I don't know how long it took.

It took an hour, 2-3, whatever.

I'm waiting over there.

They come down, they said OK, they gave us Como.

They gave us Como Broker.

This is.

It's a matter of a minute or an.

Hour, it took a couple of hours.

The guy came down, says, yeah, you can, you can do it.

So we put it up, Television stations were there and the County Executive was there, took a nice picture with us and it was also given good.

It made it to the news in fact, in including the the the Suffolk that was by the county and the solution was that it's OK, but the Jews didn't like that.

But it was too late.

It was already up and we had a ceremony where people came and but the Ike is that it was, it was visible in a very visible place, the Plaza of the county government.

And as far as I'm concerned, I, I, you know, it, it, it was the pursuing that they ever wanted the television stations and the newspapers.

In fact, the controversy ended up being a hackster on this whole thing.

So there was nothing negative about it.

And the Jewish community didn't get their act together to even voice their opposition to it, which I'm sure if they would have known about it, they would have.

And then it would have been a controversy and it would have been mired in the, in this Huluca Deus and you know, we come across which eventually we did as as Bala Makhlakis, you know, I didn't do anything wrong.

I did whatever the county, you know, gave permission for.

We did everything.

Kadassa Kadin.

But anyway, that's the way it went afterwards.

So was there an answer from the LEBA?

Oh, So what?

So what?

That original thing.

Yeah.

So listen, this is a Satori Animasu here, Satori Animasu here.

I didn't call back to say are the also good?

That's not the way it should have been.

I had a Hassana that I came for a day or two after Haneke and I'm here in some 70 and label groaner comes over to me.

There was a settle from the label Mahoya served over by Saint Louis.

Just first of all, it feels very, very bad.

I'm a not friend.

I.

Want he wants to tell Maho Yousafdov.

Oh, whatever.

Yesterday.

Really.

Translate what that means.

Translate what it means.

What was the conclusion in Saint Louis?

So I went to work as soon as I got home.

I said after the house and the next day, whatever, I took all the articles and the letters to the editors.

That's a hobget on people who wrote and I responded.

Most of the changes that I responded were from the rapper's letters.

Mom, which took out paragraphs from the rapper's letters to the Teaneck store.

I see it that are appropriate if it worked in Teaneck.

She worked in Saint Louis also.

But they wrote they wrote very harsh things, very harsh things.

And there's also an element over here to be Mohammed's Hussain them I'm an unknown to them and they had no idea what was coming next.

He was this is this new guy comes to town.

Nobody knows which synagogue he belongs to.

Nobody knows what he's doing and and and what is end objective of yours and he comes and he upends we this long standing position of the Jewish community against these things and it comes to this young guy Mamish you know new in town and took to Seville.

So, you know, it shook up, it shook up their I'm being MLM exclusive a little bit why they felt the way they felt.

But so I wrote, piled in, that's a whole pile of stuff that I wrote, but I sent whatever little piece that was on it.

And that's when I got that answer afterwards.

What answer?

So the answer that I got, I used to nothing on the answer and it goes along this ending after that, but it's it's, you know, did something.

We we hold us both my wife and I.

It was a very difficult time.

We didn't realize it that was going to happen next year.

The real difficult time was war that broke out managed the whole community against us practically.

So I want to hear about that.

Becky, tell us.

But that's so.

But this answer was prepping to us if I was going to come next week next year.

The answer was as follows.

I asked a few things.

That's the.

It's a copy or.

That's no this is my handwriting.

That's a new copy from Mosquitoes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

OK, I have it.

I have it.

My wallet all these years.

I carry the Savvyat Kurdish of of of Miyam Klein.

Can I see it?

Yeah.

Yeah, in fact, find it over here.

Starmets here.

Yeah, it's here.

I have the little Staff Gazette sitting around over there.

So you keep this in your pocket always.

Keep this always, OK?

No Amazon.

It's it's it's this is the answer.

It's going to probably break into pieces because it's old.

So I've got coach here beyond client.

This is it if you want to see that the host.

I find it amazing that you carry it in your pocket.

I put it in there and I never took it out.

It wasn't like, yeah, OK, so how so the answer?

Was yeah.

Can you read it and translate it?

Also, yeah, I'm looking at.

It while you the three parts of the answer one was the Hagdemma and then was the answer to the question.

I I thought I was hoping I'd be able to get the drawers from the lab on how to respond to their tightness see if we can get a little bit more And they also called a meeting and they wanted me to come to the meeting, which actually never materialized.

So what should be the position at the meeting anyway?

But the the hagdemma was Ashley Helke, even though the what my words, and here he circled the words.

So those were answers to 1:00

and 2:00.

That's.

The way it went, that's the way it delivers the answer.

So he made an asterisk and then wrote the answer to that.

This is.

How you?

Wrote these are those are my words and the Yemen circle it because the rabbit circle it and put an asterisk next to it so.

If you you're asking what the answer on the article on the.

Article that makes an asterisk and then #2 what should I say by the meaning the?

Position we should take at that it's.

The second asterisk, OK.

That was the second actually.

The first answer is before and probably on the other side.

Probably if you could flip it over Ashley Helcoi, the goddess who say praise is his portion and great is his Huss shekhi deshem Shamayim that he sanctified Hashem's name.

Let me just read it and translate the Hulu etcetera on the line twice the lorry his by Ishmet Nahum Aligam and he was not was not embarrassed before those who scoff who dismiss or any anyone who's a Malek is anyone stands in the way and have a good thing the Hafiz Yahadus papoyal and he disseminated Yahadus Judaism papoyal actual Bittoch Riverweis among 10s of thousands underlined mache de bles Roslita Werku.

So the one the one of 10s of thousands who actually saw them in there, but the story hit the media in such a big way that they heard about it.

And so I there are a few things over here, a few things over here.

The, the, the, the, there's no Hagzama over here.

The level wasn't Maxim, of course.

So you understand how the importance of these things are and how the level was machetes.

And this continues, I'm going to share continues afterwards also for weeks and months later also and the values of the letter put on media that time that wasn't so most common in the Jewish community, in the Frome community, The media, the media is a media.

Yeah, versus, you know, what's the what's the use of that?

There was no appreciation of it.

It could be that even among Anschlomenu who wasn't, you know, this is secondary.

Yeah, it's it's not the tacos, but it's, it delivers the tacos.

You, you, you inform people and and and and you present it as a a celebration of Yiddish kites.

It's all these are all the things that they ever writes in those letters to Teaneck and the the media was something which was which was a big deal.

Otherwise, I don't understand what the deliveries was 10s of thousands and the the soft mice is Lapoeil Mahamis this not only did this thing die down.

I'll tell you some stories.

It die down, but it really catapulted us.

It put us into a position that everybody now knows about us.

To be reckoned with what's there's a other the other half of the.

Yes, it's coming.

It's coming out so been a gay the article how to respond to the article and how to to position to take at a meeting which was going to take place been a gay one and two see that the whole kiesu.

Was there any other questions?

And here's a wonderful example of how the rebel yes, get the same thing in what's the Schlissel Jose, what's the Shreyas book the same sentiment that there are a lot of things that need to be decided on the spot and and and let's ask it the way he wanted it to be.

It's not a call Google some things as you'll see, some things that need to be kept the kind of uniform, but nevertheless, you know, there's there.

There are things that are local in nature.

And anyway, let me read this Vinne Gaya one and two of the whole Kievs and any similar questions is Daburu Hashlukum Sheikhi Vamasov Kahanal Binayam.

There should be a conversation among the shlukum who share that these kinds of situations.

But he starts with some parenthesis, but he starts with Saudi Adea Mazov of Washington, the one who is familiar with the situation in Washington from Shemtov.

And what's the purpose of that conversation?

To prevent contradictions from one to the other, The other Aber Lisaya and quite in the country that one should help the other.

So at that time, it was very easy for Ashley to feel that this is his little world.

And.

The repercussions of that, that the JCRC, for example, in this town Jewish Community Relations Council is going to hear what somebody else did and was Movata, it wasn't Movata, it wasn't Movata, so forth and so on.

And then it becomes you don't understand the precedent that you set.

And but this concept really is a very good one to keep in mind.

Essential things that one person does really establishes you not only your local rabbi of your local little cabanas, big or little, you are representing Ganslobavich and that's whatever.

And you need to make sure that you're not creating the precedents that the rebel would be displeased with.

And that's a grace, Archrias, and it's something for everybody to keep in mind.

So we did that.

What happened was this.

And then everything in her shop asked her.

Out.

I'll ask her out.

Right, do you think?

You did that.

So the opportunity to when was there an opportunity to speak to older and who were in this mass of or were potentially in this mass of who they were preparing to have a manager and and whatever first.

So I went over to to Robert Krinsky and by the way, Krinsky was a great support that this when that when all of that broke loose the second year.

You have no idea what I mean by that It it was there were two Jews who met that kind of care and for a week afterwards who this was not the topic of conversation.

It was, and they very artfully made me the the, the bad guy until I came to town and all of a sudden I come to town, there's a big problem.

What did I do?

Absolutely nothing wrong.

Whatever they had a problem with was their own interpretation of the Constitution without any insert.

And it turned out that years later, a couple of years later, that's exactly what the Supreme Court said.

So they're.

You're saying you went to Abekrinsky?

What was that?

I must know that he was murdered a lot.

He was murdered a lot.

And both he and Robert Groener as well, they ever wanted to know blow by blow what was going.

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Second year to, to, to, to get down to the poem Amish.

They understood from everything that I said.

I want to know I never had.

I'm not taking great deal of credit for it.

This is how we were brought up.

Never entertained for a minute not to do it with all the lockouts that was brought first year from the first year to the second year.

But they saw this as a as a this is going to be destroying everything that the Jewish community built for who knows how long.

I mean, that's the way they saw it.

They saw it as a real threat to them.

And they also understood that this is the way it's going to be, you know, you know, so they, we tried the best we can.

So what?

What?

Was the heart of it.

It's an opposition to Lubavitch or they're afraid of something.

It's on the outside.

There were two.

It's probably a combination of both.

They're uncomfortable there.

These are people who were very accustomed to keeping Yiddish guide Shash still not in the street outside is one of those sounds to call her going bases.

So typing about, that's the attitude for Kishan Steel, whatever Jewish is, they said these things to me.

You know, some of it, they were Malbish.

And then it's the love of Kadusha by saying you're commercializing Hanukkah like the other holiday.

You know, it's meant to be the families together in the home.

You know, they they saw this as offensive to whatever preconceived idea they had of what Hanukkah is supposed to be, which wasn't exactly the same as ours.

And so the so that was one the others, there were some who what kind of principles they call it the slippery slope.

You know, you have to you have to protect this separation of church and states.

You have to keep religion out of it.

This is a mandate from the constitution.

This are Kurdish, it's not in their minds.

What?

It's not in the Constitution.

It's not that's correct.

The lotion of separation is not for sure, not for sure not there is a an Establishment Clause was we're not going to go into the the the the of the law.

Yeah.

So so some of them were principles about this matter and they saw this is slippery slope.

You do this today.

Next thing what's going to happen is they're going to force kids to make, you know, to to say something on craftsmans, Jewish kids and whatever Le Perl Mamas that ever argues that the spunk that if you don't utilize the the the rights and the freedoms that America that America is, is, is giving us, then you lose them.

The way to exercise the the best thing, how to preserve this, to exercise those that's we're Malbushitin, whatever.

You know, I, I think I I I said that when we, when we last spoke, I I kind of said this.

There's a Hindu all all of them of time, including this as well.

He ever ever wanted to be in the battle Cole Harmoni Shodromi.

He wanted people out there to see.

He wanted to see a robust and a proud and an open celebration of Hanukkah and you want to get American Jews a little out of there.

You know, if I'm not the thing that this is something we do still hate and probably hate if you want yes, that's for sure, but it also was Mahanah us.

It's the same that could do with I'm getting off a little with a little bit the same that could do with sorry.

You know, if it's film you you stand in the street.

Millions of people have put on film millions of partial to reason these shoes.

This one was a cacafter dilemma and the other whatever he has to do put on film today.

And here you are.

I'll tell you why he didn't be Mazaki and with a mitzvah.

Ebisch is happy, the Eid is happy, Schleich is happy, or whoever is doing them with Simon is happy.

So it's a good thing, But there's a much, much deeper the CUDA which the others who are into cure for hoken.

So far, some, some, some they, they, they, they, they missed that, which is why they don't do the kind of stuff that's our guy is standing out there and it's hot in the heat and in the cold and he's standing out there taking off time from learning.

And most of the answers that he gets are rejections.

And he goes, I'm going to he continues in the end.

And if he's irked and he gets some of the penalties against the silica, the tire cuts of a YID every year, he never met him before.

You're not going to see him again.

You're not going to get a donation from him.

You're not going to get the whatever you're not.

There's no long term relationship of it.

You don't even get his name in address nowadays.

He would say, I don't know if they take the e-mail addresses nowadays.

Maybe they do, but but even that garnished all you did was you did a miss with you and for them is you're starting, you stand in the street and that hinder gets baked in the tire.

Captivate is natural to us 'cause they never taught us that tire catchment ain't.

This is natural to us with his bun and his collar.

You know, we can we can rekindle that to others.

It's it's completely strange, completely strange hotness Mahapnis And that's you think the fact that there are, I don't know, 4005 thousand birthday Kabad around the world and millions and millions and millions of Jews who were touched by it happens to be Labavich.

Why?

Because there's some great organization in the world of Labavich, some master plan marketing plan that succeeded that.

No, no, There probably are better marketers out there than us.

And more organized people than us.

Sadova pushed it.

It's this the kudu that I was makanakas.

And we have to realize it, the yoker of that.

And that is why Lubavitch today, not Lubavitch's forever.

That's that's that is why we we are who we are.

And the others are still scratching their heads and wondering how did they do it.

Now come learn some procedures though.

Learn how we did it.

But that's not the good.

Anyway, where am I up to on my story?

I mean talking about that position of the second year.

The second year was was it was huge.

It was intense.

It was the front page of the Jewish Light, which is the the weekly newspaper over there.

It was the editorial of the Jewish Light.

It was sod garashed.

What happened was he didn't realize the County Executive, he approved it, but he didn't realize and he got 40 letters from Jewish letterhead organizations, almost all of them in opposition.

As soon as we heard that they're getting letters written.

So I also hopped a few letters people to write whatever in support, but there was no overwhelmingly against it and he's getting it and he's confused.

He said, I, I did this for the Jewish community, right?

And and and it's after the Jewish could be nervous, so riled up, riled up against it.

So he didn't hop.

So he thought he had time to make a decision because in his ghoulish your mind, he thought that Hanukkah falls out on Krasbach, which was a few weeks away, the pale.

All of a sudden, two days before Hanukkah, Feliz Bahanga, whoever is, we let him know that it's decision time.

We have to do this.

So he made the mistake of calling the meeting of all the people who wrote him letters, big conference room in the government center, probably 40 people against it.

It was me, Rabbi Rifkin, another one or two people who showed up and it was nasty.

And all we wanted to do was not this is not there was no one who was smart enough and at hand to the county to, to let him to the County Executive to let him know this is not a good idea to bring, to bring these parties together.

But there was no time.

He basically told the secretary at the end of the day, call all these people and come to the meeting tomorrow or something like that.

So Ackham, Isis, we had them and and that was nasty.

The people who now are my good friends who got up and thundered against this and they said, you know, if this is what they're going to do in our community, I'm going to do.

I'll be here to announce the building campaign already at that point.

So I'm going to do whatever I can.

This is former rabbi of a leading congregation, probably the probably the largest one in town.

And Saint Louis is predominantly Reform.

He got up and he thought I'm going to do whatever I can to, to to make sure it doesn't happen.

And there were people who withdrew.

Some pleasure, some major pleasures.

Thank you.

I did whatever.

This wasn't the hospital.

I never did the tour complaint.

I informed whatever happened fast.

Things happened blow by blow every day there was 5 things that happened.

So I called in and I'd say this happened.

This is what this one did, and this is what that one did.

There's some interesting gorillas which I I I cannot share, but there's some interesting.

Yeah.

How you doing throughout this thing?

Yeah, there's some interesting gorillas on, on, on how to deal with some individuals.

It it, it will stay for now.

Maybe there will be some time.

And we held our ground, but our leading Balabatam were concerned because they were raising, they meant to help us and they saw.

So if they was going to be with our fundraising here for about, you know, and I, you know, what I said to them, I was the naivete at that time was a beautiful one.

But you know, over the years it kind of dissipates.

I said to them, these are my friends who were raising money.

I said if I change my position on a thing like this because of somebody's donation, then I'm, I'm the same as the others.

That's how they run their business.

That's not us.

And I owe them a grill of the attitude that they, they, they accepted it and they supported me and all these things.

You know everything I wrote this one said, that one said whatever there, there was $50,000 back then, a donation, two brothers.

That with the Drew.

That it was drew at $50,000 in 19831980.

It was a lot of money.

Even today, it's not.

Yeah, yeah.

For a building campaign, it doesn't buy a building.

Understood.

It was it was it was a tough thing, but I don't know.

My my team is was straightforward.

That's to tell you.

There was a time after that meeting where the County Executive had to do something.

He had to give in to some of that pressure.

He couldn't say.

So he kind of cut the baby in half.

What did he do?

He said, you know, you can put it up for one day.

You can put it up for one day.

You can't camp out there.

Plaza Soda he made.

Now putting it up for one day, if it's a violation of church and state is one day torment.

They're finished.

You're not allowed to do it one day either.

So he basically agreed with us on principle, but I can put a time restriction on it, he said.

And he had hoped that that would make them happy, but it didn't.

It didn't make them happy.

That's a he didn't, he didn't process that, that that part.

So listen, Sir Rabbi Schmuldova Drachek, his routine is that he used to stop in Saint Louis once a year, sometimes twice a year.

He had all about them.

He would visit.

And from the time that we moved there, he would stay by us.

I come home from this meeting.

I'm all shook up.

You can imagine that was a terrible meeting.

And Rep Schmoldovitz is there.

So tell him what's going on.

Tell him what's going on.

What's at the end.

He wanted to know what?

What did the County Executive say?

So I told him I can put it up only for one day.

I thought he was up to the cancer.

So he says so.

He said that you could, right?

It has to be done in a big way.

It can't be done.

This is this one day.

yo-yo, yo, it's correct.

It's correct.

He agreed.

Anyway, so I remember that the kids, like I said to you, no one in town, Jews, 2 Jews didn't meet without talking.

This was a topic of conversation somehow.

Bajafa protest the Federation, This is the catch story.

The Federation has an annual meeting.

An annual meeting is well, they'll bring all their big supporters.

A couple, 100 people was at breakfast that year in the Breckenridge Hotel, A grace of breakfast they have planted beforehand.

And this was I think Zeiss Hanukkah.

I think it was the last day of Hanukkah, maybe the day after Zeiss Hanukkah.

And the city is still the cart is cart over all these things.

My mean a man must meal mostly must meet him must meal him against this guy who came and caused trouble or I I'm the cause of the problem because until I came nobody there was no arguments.

I'm I'm I'm the cause of the argument.

If you don't do so, they get I'm sorry.

If you don't do anything and you don't want to.

That's right, that's right, that's right.

No, but listen, arguing is making an argument is not the tackles of our thing, and they ever didn't want that either.

But if it broke out, we held our ground.

I think that's was the Levis approach.

It's Lav Dafkia.

I'm not sure.

I can't say with certainty that you'd have to have to go there to this and this place of slaughters to spite them.

I don't think that was the cabana.

But if that was your decision and you did it, don't back down because these guys, because of all these chromatinus that they have the Schumer finished and that's the kiddush Shasham that he thinks because backing down a retreat in the Jewish Indian is Akilah sham.

And their position is that that's what keep the shame sham.

I think.

I think anyway, it's the last day of Hanukkah, the day after that, and they're having this annual meeting with our breakfast and the guest speaker now who comes to Federation's annual meeting?

All these letterhead organizations, American Jews, Congress, American Jews, community Jews, community relations, all the alphabet soup of traditional establishment Jewish organizations, all the people who hold their views.

You know, who thought that the Minerva is the worst thing in the world at that at that moment.

And they, they're there and they make up like the couple 100 people over there and whatever.

So the guest speaker, I don't know how they got the guest speaker to come was the mayor of New York City was at Catch.

You probably don't remember ever hearing at Catch, you know.

I'm familiar with that.

Heard of him?

He was a bombastic fellow.

He spoke no holds part.

He said what he wanted to say it and he said it loud and clear and very doobly and, you know, holds barred.

He he whatever niche Niswal, that's the way he was.

That was the personality.

He's a brash New Yorker, you might want to say, and very proud of his Yiddish guys.

I.

And as Mattea, he.

Wrote yes, I heard him say that.

Someone asked him.

A reporter asked him.

You hear him saying that?

I heard it.

I heard it on some station.

A reporter asked him, what would you like your epithet to be?

A proud Jew?

Something like that, He answers.

That was the first thing.

And then and passionate love for New York, that was #2 but I think it's.

Very #2 my Israel on it.

Yeah, who wants that anyway?

So he's coming to town.

Why?

He agreed to come to speak for staff for home in Saint Louis.

You know he.

Was the he was the mayor at the time.

At the time, sitting mayor, yeah, Yeah.

And he is giving this talk.

He didn't talk any, nothing about them in the room.

He had no idea what was going on in Saint Louis about.

You were at this dinner.

Who you were at this?

I was.

Not that morning.

There was a brisk, one of our Nash had a baby and there's a brisk that morning and I remember people coming from that to the bris and they shared what happened.

So I heard that mama's fresh first hand story as long as I think isn't the cones show him cone.

I don't know where he used to live in Pittsburgh for many years.

Mary Bruce.

Anyway, so I'm at the Bruce and this is the story I talked about you wasn't the maisa.

He finished his speaking and someone I know who it is a friend of mine.

At that point, the film community backed me up 100% in Saint Louis.

They saw this as anti Yiddish kite.

They saw the anti the Orthodox community and there were no Lubava.

They weren't Lubavish just by any stretch of the imagination.

But this is out of hand.

What's going on?

And they jumped to the credit, they jumped to whatever they were able to do in terms of defense.

So, so questions and answers.

Guy has his hands, says Mr.

Mayor.

You're a Jewish mayor of the largest city with the largest Jewish population.

Could you tell us how you deal with religious symbols on public property and specifically with a menorah on public property?

When that question was asked, there was a big gasp that went up from the whole audience.

Couldn't believe they were embarrassed that this was brought up, that this was brought up in front of the illustrious visitor, the mayor from New York.

Now he knows this Chanda that's going on in Saint Louis.

I thought that was ever aghast.

But he doesn't know what's going on.

Another public property?

No problem, he says.

I am fully in favor of it and support it as long as it's privately funded.

That's why.

But let me tell you something, We have one in Manhattan here and we have one in Manhattan there.

I didn't know the places that he mentioned, a few public minors that we have something and I don't have any problems.

I think it's perfectly fine as long as it's privately funded.

So that alone for the people in the room.

Oh no, he's taking the wrong side on the issue.

It's a Jewish mayor though, NFR state and engineers.

So basically what he's saying is at a minimum it's OK.

It's OK.

Both both sides have a point.

Whatever they can make, it's OK.

I think you you skipped the part they said and in fact we.

In fact, you're good.

You're good.

So let me tell you something.

Let me tell something about the menorah, he says.

The people who put up the menorah in Manhattan, they're the Lubavitches, he says.

And they live in Brooklyn and the menorah's in Manhattan.

Friday afternoon when they light the menorah, it's real close to Shabbos and they have to get home to Brooklyn.

The time for Shabbos.

This isn't telling you this for the for the crowd that wanted to hear this the least, he's telling them.

So what we do is we give them a helicopter and we fly them from Manhattan to Brooklyn so they they can get home the time for Shabbos.

That's the story.

I heard the story.

I picked up the phone and I called the mosquitoes and I told, I told label, this is whatever smiles from.

I said from here to here, but this is the ever smile.

When I heard that story so broad.

It was a big, big, huge.

They had knockers from couch.

Yeah, he had knockers from couch and he's this is constitutional.

That's what that's what the reps, but the reps said, that's what the label told me when he told the story.

That's Constitution.

They just wanted to gain people, you know who, who, who support this.

Get rid of this argument of constitution.

This is before the that supreme.

Court wasn't everything was before.

There's another couple of things.

I come back to 770, No, since before coming back to 770, I get I can actually see where somebody of the dates, what's in the gay over here.

The point over here is I get a letter in the mail.

I get a letter in the mail from Bianchi Fu.

Who?

The Hecht JJ He didn't know me.

He didn't know me.

I never spoke to him.

I can't.

I can't ever remember.

He gave everything going.

Yeah.

I have to come become me.

I didn't know what was going on in Saint Louis.

This wasn't reported locally.

That there was no means of of really reporting this.

There's only one way, and you can kind of guess at it, that he writes me a letter of support and it's you can read it.

I have only have a copy of it over here.

You can.

You can this is it.

I think this is it and somehow found it.

This was December 12th, 1983.

He writes a little system.

He ends up don't listen to those guys.

All those people who think that you have to hide your Jewishness.

You know, that's that's not the way to go out there nowadays.

You everybody's out there with what they stand for, not to be embarrassed.

And this what you did is a great thing and keep up the good work.

And may I sham be with you in all your undertakings.

And that's the whole you hear your Uncle Hecht over there throughout that whole thing, you hear what's the location?

How did this happen?

I can't say with certainty that he didn't write this unless he was told to.

It seems out of the blue like why would he send me such a letter?

Yeah.

Does this make sense?

Was he was going around being married at Avishly?

Who you heard of sister?

He didn't hear the story either.

I didn't guarantee you.

I can't say what certainty is I'm qualifying what I'm saying, but I'm willing to bet on that.

This was Mel Milo, who's told them to write a letter and he describes himself about the National Committee for first making a major organization.

You know, because I wrote that they have a bunch of letterhead organizations who wrote against it.

So he's the National Committee for is one of the world's largest educational movements today and wishes to extend a heartfelt congratulations on the accomplishment of erecting a minority in the heart of Saint Louis.

Too long we've shown the world an inferiority company.

He goes, he goes, he goes a little pounds away.

And so somebody thought somebody somebody thought and said we're on the Muskegon told them I'm guessing I'm only guessing.

Write a letter.

Tell them to write a letter.

If you did, if you did that, you can show to somebody that then a couple of months later, I think it was a couple of months.

I see, I think I was more than 7070 than I was in Saint Louis.

That wasn't actually wasn't the case, but this is the story.

So I see, I see label again.

Oh, oh, he says the rebel gave me something that I should give to you.

He told me a buffet.

The Rebel gave me something I should give to you.

He didn't remember, come into the office when you have a chance.

Can't even remember.

He couldn't even remember what it was.

And then he finally remembered and he's going around.

I remember him motoring himself in his office.

We're trying to find it.

And he says to himself, this place over here, he says by the time you walk from here to there, you have 5 distractions.

He says about the about the America's office.

So This is why he I can't remember where he put it.

Where's the maisa?

There was that Hanukkah in New Jersey?

The state of New Jersey issued A proclamation, the General Assembly, actually the whole legislature voted on this and it's a resolution adopted January 9th, 1984.

And they it's all about Hanukkah.

And it also mentions these words Friends of Lubavitch.

I don't know who sent them into the I don't know whether it was Francois, I don't know who it was.

Maybe it was because I think Maisha Harrison didn't go.

But Friends of Lubavitch, I don't think that was.

Whereas, the Friends of Lubavitch reminded us anew during the season of religious observance, of the high concepts of ethical and righteous principles for which we all share and to which we all strive by consecrating A menorah before the state capital during this festival of Hanukkah in commemoration of the first recorded military victory over spiritual oppression.

It's one of the WHEREAS.

WHEREAS, WHEREAS and this was sentenced to the Rebbe.

Someone sent that to the Rebbe.

And the Rebbe made this notation there with the Rebbe's pencil.

You can see it and told them to send it into Saint Louis.

I should be.

This is the Rebus pencil mark.

We all strive at consecrating.

So the Rebus highlighting this section, we all strive.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The concert for the State Capitol during this festival Hanukkah in commemoration of the first recorded military victory over spiritual oppression.

They made them in there, they consecrated them in there at the state Capitol, and this is the part the rebel highlighted that and said send it to Saint Louis.

People told you that's the rebel handwriting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

OK.

This it's it's this is what the physical ever says about.

You have to remind me the what bumps the lever, You know what's going.

On Oh, you see what the physical ever told I was thinking about.

Goosebumps every time I think about it.

Oh, there's upset, there's upset.

You go mine over there who's having a problem and this might help him.

So these are the it's not me.

I'm I'm sure it's averagely.

You know, you do you do your work with Messina and Messina, you know, Unfragen Cassius and and then you get a little bit older than some of the stuff, but main time I've heard Klieg, you think that you're getting smart.

You can do it in your owner.

You have your own little ones.

Whatever.

Don't learn any.

You're not a fresh Taylor of Osmahoga.

Just do what you're told.

And thus it is.

And thus it is so those are the couple of stories.

It's like an interesting thing which has to do more with the history in Saint Louis, which before I went out in Schlichhos, it's very important to contextualize these answers from the rebel or these heroes.

You have to contextualize it.

And sometimes we are not able to do that because you have to contextualize it, any context.

And then maybe you understand this and then you need to listen to what's about time you got to talk to the elders in your community.

Before I came to Saint Louis, I was again given to say that whatever I went and had conversations with Robert Howdekov.

Now Saint Louis is unique in many ways.

Probably every state thinks that his place is unique in many ways.

But in this area, you know, I think we unique should be unique.

When I came there, there's a whole alum of don't want to denigrate a community of people by calling them a snag them.

They're not that they really aren't, but what they call and they were even among them a couple of people who were doing Kirov Rehokim, quote UN quote, which was a term that evidence that didn't seem it was displeased by.

I want to say because they're not Rehokim anyway, they spoke about it, so I wanted to know.

This man ain't going to say so.

I wanted that.

I wanted to hear what Rabbi Khadkov says about working together with them.

It's nice to be friendly, not to be accused of competing, not to be confused of face laws or hurting some other.

This and that and the other.

I wanted to know, and this is from, is it from Eden?

From Eden.

So I'm reminded of the story, but take a story.

So I went and I spoke to him about this and I guess what?

What do you think?

It wasn't.

I wasn't slanting the question not to do it.

I can't.

I think maybe if anything, it was something that said Yeah.

Or what would I have anticipated?

Yeah.

Can't answer some.

No, that wasn't.

That wasn't his answer.

He said this, has he?

He loved to give him a show.

I don't know if you know that he had a Marshall for everything, and he was, but he was very clear, deliberate, wasn't wasn't on the fence about this.

This is Azevi in Rafour.

Is though, Shitis in Rafour.

You have this approach to Rafour and this approach to Rafour and there's a certain rife and there's a certain hailer that would respond dafke.

So this this direction, there's another rife and another hailer who responds in a different way and then treats in a different way.

And they both are doing good things.

But to mix them up, I don't know.

I'm, I'm now I'm, I'm kind of putting words, but this is to mix them up.

It's a prescription for disaster.

But that's not what he knows.

Weren't the words that he used.

So he and I watched over the years.

And in fact, the Shika skill has a book has a lot of that as well.

And in the Eager's cages, you see a lot of that as well.

And it goes back to the same question.

The fact that we have 5000 Khabar houses is because of Siddhis and it's because of the labour and the labour's approach to a YID and the labour's approach to, to to Thailand mistress, every single YID.

And that's what he teaches us in all kinds of ways, in all kinds of ways that he gets us to go along with that.

We have a never show Bahamas that it's resisting.

But that's that's everything that the river taught us.

And these things are as much for us.

Like I said, it's not even all kinds of pullers.

There's not much for us.

I think when we spoke about it, we talked about, you know, the level was talk about me hoodie.

The level was talking about the home for the Shiva Bahrain that we would talk about the level would talk about Stockholm, Stockholm things that had no shyness and they were there by the hundreds and that ever didn't want to be my vital favorite faster show.

And the answer is that this was a kind of this was a kind of how you look at the world now.

You understand the world now, how are you disposed to see another Yid's mitzvah, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

So let me tell you something, ancient history, 1930s, when the river came to Saint Louis, the she's the kid, there was a newspaper in Saint Louis at that time called Der Yiddish Record, a Yiddish language newspaper.

A lot of the stuff that was printed and the story about the lepers in Saint Louis is from their information that we got why the editor of the newspaper given Ayudemsat Lipka.

He loved it and understood them.

See the snapshot.

I understood this big word.

I take that back.

But he was enamored, appreciated, appreciated the feed, the kebab and they.

The Gevaldur chemistry snapshot was going on in Russia that says he writes 4 weeks worth of articles each each.

It was a weekly he writes and he the the glowing terms.

No one writes about anybody like that the way he writes about the Fiat the kid.

What was his Mahous is an elder Hayed by the way cemetery and Mrs.

Enganson.

He was a misrhist.

He was a, let's see, an this kind of guy and what was the massive of American Yiddish guy in 1930?

So it's interesting.

You'll see if you look up his the mastechos of the Igus Kadesh, you'll find Arielep Gelmann letters, long letters, 5 pages, 6 pages.

I did just take the letters and we don't know where he writes, but you can learn from the letter that he's speaking.

He's speaking to the he writes to whatever we have to do something about Yiddish Captain America.

And I can tell you this and I just give an massive Yorud Monton Eppis, let's work together and you should see that.

And this is a friend and whoever writes to him.

I wouldn't even respond if it wasn't you who I know that we're close and whatever he's he recognized recognizes his closest and the Habibis that he has for that ever recognize acknowledges it.

But if it wasn't you, I wouldn't even respond.

Basically, the more I'm I'm putting I don't want to put the words, but you can see it.

Nigga's Kurdish, the liberal rights over the sustain.

We we speak two different languages as if we're passing each other like ships in the night.

This is not a good idea like mom's dad that he does the ships in the night, but we are speaking languages like two people who cannot understand each other.

So I love you, quote UN quote, and it's wonderful what you're doing and I appreciate you know your your desire to do this, but mixing them together.

These are my words.

And if you watch and I think if you read, you'll see a lot of answers like that also, But I think it's carried this.

You see it again and again.

There's one place where they actually defeated Cadeba is disappointed in him.

When I tired read by the way, he wrote a book I found this is really going to go off topic a little bit actually from Saint Louis found it knows that we are from the mishpoch of the NATO be hooded.

The hood was Sigalanda.

That's her name.

Yeah, Sigalanda.

So by are you Leib Gelman St.

Louis.

Eventually he moved to New York and he became the head of Mr.

Rati of America.

The religious, that's the name of the book, is Hanedebeehudu Umush Nose.

It's a biography of all things that he decided to write, published the Tovchnikov Dalit.

I think 64 is what he wanted to do.

Aid is not here for a long time already, but he was a stickler, Thomas, and he is disappointed in him that we're going to do something for Shabbos.

EP is something for Be my own Shmira Shabbos and the rebel was maskim.

Thomas the Physical.

Rebel.

Yeah, all this is the physical river.

Yes.

Ari Leb Gilman, same guy.

I don't know if at that time he was in New York already, maybe he was in Saint Louis, but there were letters to him and there are good letters.

There are close letters, but this letter is disappointment.

If you've ever made-up a condition, it sounds like there are physical episodes of a condition that that you don't make it institutional.

Yeah, of course I have to be supportive of anything that people want to say or do for Shmita Shabbos.

Of course I would.

But you put in names of organizations and whatever you're in, and that was the condition.

I said that that it doesn't become institutional.

Very disappointed because he saw that as divisive.

These guys are doing it.

These guys are doing it.

The other guys are doing it.

That's what happens when you work together with other people.

They're only interested in getting points and credits and, and, and they're getting some publicity.

That's not that.

That's not the Labava should have this.

That's not the Labava should have this, so we have to be wary.

I don't have all the answers and to know exactly where the lines are drawn, I'm not suggesting.

Right.

It obviously depends on each place, etcetera.

Absolutely.

I'm saying that and that's a very important thing to be said.

But the sensitivity to that I I heard and I understand.

And I think that you want to know what the success of whatever is and the success of Lavar, which is it's, it's decisions, it's the scissors and it's different than the others.

It's what we bring to the table and those who will bring to the table, and that's the Hatslaka, they're scratching their heads.

What's the secret of Kabat?

Somebody, That's the secret.

Kabad is the secret.

Kabad is the secret.

Yeah, that is the secret.

All right.

Amazing.

I really appreciate it.

It's very.

I think you've got more than what I'm.

Sure, there's much more to talk about.

Sasha Kayak and Hatslakharab and and thank you for sharing everything.

No problem, happy to do that.

The ABC should be mostly with you and the ultimate goal is bringing Mashiach.

I'm main Karamanish.

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