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Mac & Bone Hour 2: Why Did the Panthers Lose

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Speaker 1

Time, you need a couple of nice plays.

Speaker 2

You know, when we pressured him throughout it, and I thought we did a good job of mixing it at Jarrow had a really good plan for uh for trying to get pressure on him early on, and then he you know, they picked up the blitzes and he hurt us a couple of times over the middle on some third downs, and so we had to play a little bit more coverage right there.

Speaker 3

There you go.

Speaker 4

That seems to be the thing that has people the most triggered this morning.

The soft defense on that final drive.

Speaker 3

It does.

Speaker 4

That's coach Canalis explaining it.

It does need to be pointed out that J.

C.

Horn didn't play on that drive.

Although I mean, again, I don't think it's the It's not the most shocking thing in the world that Canal has chose to go that way.

We saw it the Saints game.

He doesn't want to give up the big play down field.

I just I didn't like it.

Speaker 3

Bone.

Speaker 4

I don't think it needs to garner text fire this man, he's a bum.

I don't think it needs to get those texts, because again, this defense was our best unit, you know, between defense and offense.

Speaker 3

It was the better unit.

Speaker 4

He kept us in games against Seattle on Tampa down the stretch when the offense was horrible.

It kept us in games against the Saints home game when the offense was horrible.

So I think we got to look at the big picture.

But I didn't really like that approach.

Two minutes thirty four seconds left the MVP.

Those receivers, it's you got less time, you got a minute, minute and a half bone one time out.

I understand not wanting to give up the big play.

They had more than enough time to dink and dunk it down the field and they and they did.

Man, I will say this though, the touchdown pass filthy pass, filthy catch.

And I thought Merrick's cover.

I saw some people trying to get on Merrig.

I thought he had great coverage on Parkinson.

It's one of those where you gotta tip your hat.

Speaker 3

Man.

Speaker 4

There's a reason why we were ten point dogs.

They're the better team, they're the more talented team.

All right, They've got they've got the coaches, the personnel that have been there and done that.

Speaker 3

We got down fourteen.

Speaker 4

Nothing and could have quit, could have said we had a hell of a season.

We fought our damn asses back.

We made them.

I mean, we went toe to toe with those dudes.

We don't need to be.

Speaker 5

Angry, like Tuca doesn't break up that pass in the end zone.

Are we very well?

Are we talk about aavero today?

Are we talking about Kleb versus Brides and the narratives of that?

Speaker 4

But not close?

So close?

I like, and I don't Again, I know, I I don't know.

I don't mean to tell people how to feel, but I guess I do, but I listen.

Don't get me wrong, bone let I'm still heartbroken.

I was heartbroken leaving there.

I wasn't spitting mad, I wasn't angry.

I was heartbroken and I was prideful at the same time.

And I was also excited for what comes next all of those things.

But if you're pissed, you can be pissed.

That's what we're here for.

It's just I just I don't know.

I wish they would have tried a different approach on that last drive.

They only blitzed one time, But I have to be honest, man, our blitzes weren't exactly getting home a ton, But Stafford wasn't destroying our blitz he destroyed our blitzes in the first game.

Another thing too, I want to say about Stafford and blitzing him.

He came into the game with a one twenty one rating, twenty nine touchdowns and three interceptions against the blitz So.

Speaker 3

I just want to put that out there.

Speaker 4

Yeah, those numbers are absurd, and so there's also a thought of how much do you want to blitz him.

It's also an indictment for how much this team needs, meaning the end of the game, to have a game wrecking, game changing pass rush and edge that can win the football game.

Sweat did it for the Bears on the last play, knocks the ball on a Loft's hand.

That guy Mack who gets paid not just for sacks but for disruption, not just Derreck Brown up from but help off the edge.

That guy on those final drives that can get a sack, can bat a ball down.

A high level edge rusher is paramount, and I think we saw the end of the game to seal some of these games late.

Speaker 3

Yea, I'm talking about Jaalen Phillips.

Speaker 4

In free agency, I'm talking about trading for Max Crosby.

Speaker 3

Yep.

Speaker 4

Although then you have to give up draft collabor Hendrickson.

Hendrickson's out there, but he's he is in his thirties.

Phillips is twenty six, So I'm talking about a big swing at that position to go with the young guys.

Speaker 5

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Speaker 6

You mind due, My dad did that on Saturday and it got contentious in the Marlin family group.

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Speaker 3

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Speaker 5

I like how the family Cowboy fans are trying to tell you how to handle the losses.

Speaker 3

Oh good, now, we do it all right, So let's leark.

Speaker 4

So let's talk about the last drive is frustrating, but there was more to the game than that.

I just you know, why did we lose this game?

I think we made too many mistakes.

Bone, I think we made too many mistakes.

I mean, I couldn't believe we were down only at three by three with all the mistakes we made in the first half.

Listen, you know, uh, Dave Cajones double down Dave whatever we want to call him for his affinity to go for it on fourth down.

And it's a big reason why we made the playoffs.

But I feel like our fourth down efficiency dropped later late in the season and it did not work the other day.

And that's and that's another point for our defense.

Our defense was faced with short fields four times twice when we went for it on fourth and didn't get it.

Once when Bryce ro an interception which I thought was on Cocher Personally, I thought Coker stopped that route.

I shouldn't say that miscommunicate.

Cooker said, this is his own coverage.

Almost sit here.

It was just two.

It was just one of those things where they weren't on the same page.

But there wasn't It wasn't like Bryce.

There was a reason why Bryce threw the ball there.

And then you also had Etn's muff punt bone that gave him a short field.

We actually only gave up scores on two of those four short fields.

Yeah so, but but it's one of those things where can you beat a team bone that you're at the talent gap with that you're a ten point dog too if you make all those mistakes or did we have to play cleaner than that?

Speaker 5

Rams also did not.

And now the Rams are not a great third down team anyway, but they were also held to three for thirteen on third down, the twenty three percent of great job on He did a great job on third down, which has always been a big issue.

Speaker 3

So there we go.

Speaker 1

They did.

Speaker 4

They did so again I point to the mistakes bone too many.

Now, we still could have beat them with the mistakes, which would have been amazing.

And we did have the lead late twice in the fourth quarter and could not hold it.

Speaker 3

But those guys get paid too.

Speaker 4

Matter of fact, those guys get paid a lot of money on that Rams offense.

Speaker 3

For a reason.

Why did we lose the game?

Speaker 4

Seven oh four, five, seven, nine, six, ten, I would say we're tracking fifty percent of varrow right now.

Bo oh, why we lost the football games?

I feel like that, But I also think that's easy.

I feel like that's low hanging fruit.

Yeah, you know, yeah, we don't.

This show doesn't really like fruit very much.

Speaker 5

Let's be honest about this, well hanging or fruit up top, we were not really fruit show.

Speaker 4

I think the running game too, for if we're going to keep talking through why we lost the game and not just say a varrow and then and the show, guys, the run game.

This is a team that wants to run it first and play action downfield off of that, and the run game bone has not been right for weeks.

It hasn't been which carried the team for a while.

It did, and you know, against the Rams the first time.

One of the reasons we beat them is we were able to control the ball with the run game and limit the amount of possessions the Rams offense had.

They had eight possessions in the first game.

In this game, the Rams had thirteen offensive possessions.

So just imagine five extra possessions where that defense has to go out there and defend that dude in that offense.

Like it's just looked.

I did the bath on this yesterday because I was curious.

We gave up less points per drive Saturday than we did in the first Rams game.

Interesting, we gave up two point six points per drive three point five in the first game.

So it just if you could run the ball and play the ball control shortened the game strategy that we did against the Rams the first game.

Speaker 3

In the Green Bay game, I think it would have been different.

Speaker 4

We had to get ourselves in a thirteen possession shootout, man, I think that needs to be mentioned.

We have to run the ball better next season.

Bone, We've got to figure out what was going on.

This offense had to run it better.

Speaker 3

Man.

Speaker 5

They have to figure out the offensive line situation with Ikey.

But in terms of playmakers, as Bryce continues to evolve, we see what Cocher and Tea Matt can be as one to two wideouts.

Speaker 3

You throw a.

Speaker 5

Consistent run game with more of a pass catching tight end option there.

Speaker 3

This offense goes to a whole other level in there.

Speaker 5

The receivers I'm good with right now, need another one to step up that Sally doesn't look like he's that guy right now, but Cocher and t Mac let's go.

Let's roll those two as the one two guys right now.

Speaker 3

Yeah, love it, love it, love it, love it.

Hokey.

Speaker 4

T says bad clock management after the block punt but part of that is the run game wasn't working.

Yeah, I had this weird thought yesterday that if we and I told my wife, and I don't think she really wanted to listen to me blabber on about this.

But if Isaiah Simmons, by the way, great great, amazing play by him.

He also had one where he made the tackle on that great Sam Martin punt then them inside the ten, So credit to him for that.

But like I was wondering, Yesterda, because that had a lot of time to think, if we don't block the punt, are we able bone to drive it down?

And because it's not a short thirty yard field, could we have ice the game?

Could we have literally scored as close to the end that's it, and not let Stafford get the ball back with so much time, But then that would require you've got to drive it down, You got to get it done.

We still were only down a field goal, so you could have maybe used all the time, kicked the field goal and gotten overtime, but then there's no guarantee in overtime.

But I just had that odd thought of like, if we didn't block the punt, could we have avoided giving Stafford time at the end of the game.

But I mean, you know, if some butts candy nuts, what did Mike tom Lets say, if my aunt had a male party be modeled, Oh that go into two clock mode.

Speaker 5

Right, a little bit there.

But the problem with that too is the running game would have to be needed for that as well.

You'd have to run it some and they didn't show the ability to really run it effectively in full the other game.

Yeah, I mean, I was just say I thought, as if you had seventy yards to go instead of thirty, right, yeah, could you have paced yourself and used that four minutes and change.

I'm not necessarily thinking we going and grind it out on the ground, but just could you have used the time they were running the lock down a good bit?

Maybe not the whole way, but I saw one they went down like eight seconds or whatever.

So I don't know, this is what you do, but this is the kind of stuff I'd rather do rather than say, fire somebody that just improved our unit from thirty second to fifteenth on defense, you know what I mean?

Yeah, Like this is the kind of way, Like this is what you're supposed to do.

There was a time Bone where we were in the playoffs four out of five years, and this is the way we would talk like.

Speaker 4

Although actually I think we did try to fire Mike school every year back then too, So yeah we did.

Speaker 3

Yeah, maybe this is what we always do.

Speaker 5

We shouted a fire zone and he did and then he came back and ruined my college football season.

I think I'm done with Schuel now.

I think he's out of my life.

Oh my gosh, run go run the steakhouse, all right, Michael, Michael from mihill.

Speaker 3

Would Etn catch the punt if Simmons didn't block.

Speaker 4

It tooche because he almost dropped the second one.

He had a second one hit his damn face mask.

So did the rams though, I mean, Mac, was it the lights?

The lights on TV?

The state did look dark?

Was it the lights and the wind together combination?

Think it was the whin Olsen was talking about on the broadcast.

He wouldn't even put a guy back there at one point, just what the ball?

Just let the ball bounce, and don't don't put Etn back there.

And I think he was in jazz, but don't even put Etn back there.

Just let the ball bounce.

This dude said the etn thing gave me Brenton Berson flashbacks.

Sheah, we don't need to go there, don't need to go there, but I feel you on that one a little bit.

Speaker 3

Why did we come up short?

Y'all?

Speaker 4

There also is another question too, and this dude said Max Pollyanna happy go Lucky cheerleader crap is annoying.

Speaker 3

Thank you for tuning in, sir, Thank you for tuning in.

So do we do a moral victory dance to that?

Speaker 4

At the re I'm definitely not downe with moral victories, though I was a bone question, y'all.

I want nothing to do with moral victory, but I do was a question going to break.

I didn't you think it's a moral victory?

You want to claim moral victory?

Speaker 5

I mean, I mean no, But there's a lot more positives with the loss than negatives, that makes any sense, because it's all the future is definitely much brighter, and I think they're there is more happiness after a loss than we normally get now.

A year from now, if they go to the playoffs and lose and expectations are higher, it may not feel that way.

But for this one, yeah, because they finally got there and we see what they can be.

Yeah, that's not a moral victory, but definitely you feel different emotions after this type of loss.

Speaker 3

I know what you're saying.

I know what you're saying.

Speaker 4

I don't want to use the phrase moral victory, partly because some of y'all may come down here and form tackle me like Luke I was using it to get to people all role.

But oh you try.

Okay, there's a method to your madness on that tease.

But I understand what you're saying, and I feel I think you and I feel a lot of.

Speaker 3

The similar emotions.

Speaker 4

There is a question at the risk of upsetting these people that think I'm being too happy go lucky about the future.

Bone, considering we just got knocked out of the playoffs, there is a question two of why were why were we going toe to toe as ten point underdogs?

I think Bryce Young without I shouldn't say it without a running game, because I thought Chuba ran his ass off.

You know, Rico nine, that was rough.

But I thought Cuba got hard, real hard yards.

I thought both touchdowns he had to run it really hard, didn't go down much on first contact.

I just think, man, there aren't many holes there.

Bone, lately.

I don't know if it's defenses honing in on a run game, yeah, or if it's just an O live thing.

You know, we didn't have Hunt and then Hunt and Hunt thought his ass off is.

Speaker 5

Part of it.

A lot of the runs are similar.

It's a lot of up the middle stuff and there's not a lot of bouncing to the out ready for it.

They don't really have the guys that are bound.

I mean, what Rico was, hot man, he was running to the right at will to the outside.

Feels like now there's not a lot of mystery to how the Panthers are running the football.

Feels like it's right up the middle trying to gain some yards.

But it's not a lot of bouncing to the outside that you see a lot of other teams.

Maybe that's something in the off season they got to figure out, is can we get a guy Maybe it's Brooks.

I don't know, is there a guy that can bounce some of these whether it's left or right?

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean, and.

Speaker 4

To me, it's just designing the place to go out there.

It feels like they were designing them to go out there bone.

Speaker 3

You know, earlier in.

Speaker 4

The season, right cracked toss pool, lead all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3

Lead Pool.

Speaker 4

However, I say that, I sound like a guy trying to trying to know.

Speaker 3

What I'm talking about.

Speaker 4

But they ran outside outside the ends five times for eleven yards according to PFF, so they tried it more than Tampa.

But yeah, it is a lot of up the gut and stuff like that.

But yeah, that run game's got to be fixed.

Speaker 3

Man.

I'm not saying it needs.

Speaker 4

To be elite, but it definitely needs to be better than it was down the stretch of this season.

Speaker 3

Bone, I'm gonna shock you here.

Bone.

Speaker 4

We got some people that are that are upbeaten positive on the text line, Monroe Lera says, I've been ninety eight percent smiles since the game on Saturday, and then you also have a seven four number saying call it what it is.

It's a moral victory.

We backed in.

No one gave us a chance.

We are a year ahead of schedule and gave a contender everything they could handle about.

Speaker 3

There you go.

Speaker 4

Man, It's not like everybody is out there wanting to fire somebody about that.

Speaker 5

You know, I like it when we come back.

Jim Zokie, Panther Radio Network Sports Radio ninety seven WFNZ.

Speaker 4

Just a quick PSA from my Panther brothers and sisters.

Xaviorly get to not ride a horse to the game on Saturday.

Speaker 3

We needed that information two days ago.

More later on the show.

So late, little late with that psa.

Speaker 5

Anyway, it's two hours before a playoff game at Pantn's pr is trying to let all the Meetia members know that's not Excel on a horse.

Speaker 3

David Newton kiss start some fires, can't he?

Speaker 5

Man?

Speaker 4

You're talking about a firestarter baby with that?

Sweet But anyway, Macie's backdraft Mac and pone with you.

Jim Zokie is in the house for the final view from the booth of twenty twenty five season.

So got you doing, Man, what's going on?

I don't know about you, guys.

I'm just like tired.

Speaker 7

It was just that game was like mentally physically exhausting, obviously for the players, much more so than us.

But it's hard to being a fan too, watching a game like that, with the intensity and it goes down to the final minute.

I was watching the other three games and they were like, the Patriots game wasn't angry, but the other two were kind of interesting.

Speaker 3

I was kind of eh.

Speaker 7

I was still kind of like just flat watching the other three games yesterday because of what the Panthers game was.

That game and we all saw the stat afterwards.

Four lead changes in the fourth quarter ties a record for a playoff game.

I mean, that game had everything but the win at the end, but most of all, just feel really good about how they played.

Speaker 3

You guys were there.

Speaker 7

The atmosphere of what that stadium was like at the end, It's been years to have that intensity.

Speaker 3

It felt like homecoming.

Speaker 7

I think there were like thirty Panther legends there all together, in addition the obvious ones with the key pounding drums, So it was kind of a way, kind of a cool celebration of thirty one years of Panthers football.

Would have been perfect ending obviously to get the win, but even so, we got to feel really good about where this team advanced, which is that that big picture we've been talking about.

Speaker 3

Where they're going.

Speaker 5

Disappointed but prideful is how I described myself.

I think Max said the same thing, is that sort of what your feeling sometimes playoff all says you're angry, you're mad, and trust me, some people are.

But I felt like an immense sense of pride for the effort that those guys put in all season long.

We know that this is not the end of something.

This is just the foundational elements to what we hope they become.

Speaker 7

Feels like that, and I feel like they got most of the big components kind of figured out to varying degrees.

Speaker 3

And you know.

Speaker 7

When we were down fourteen to nothing, I think it if it had stayed that path and we'd lost like twenty eight to seven or something, we probably would have a little slightly different feeling.

It would almost have like what was that?

Were we the bobcatch of the Hornets?

The one year we made the playoffs with Kembo?

We lost, like we were like in the playoffs b like five seconds and then we're out.

There's a guy from the Purple Shirt.

Guy from Greensboro got to.

Speaker 4

That was six games or that was a seven game series, right, that was a seven game loss.

Speaker 5

We lowed out the last game of that series right after Pearple Shirt, I did when we were out of it.

Speaker 3

Following that, we never got back and all that.

Speaker 4

Wait, we got swept twice too, don't get me wrong, but like that was the time.

Speaker 3

But to your point just feels.

Speaker 7

More sustainable, which has been the over overarching goal of everything is to become relevant and then to stay relevant and then to be in the playoff mix and be in the playoffs and hopefully take it to that next level.

We've gone from two wins to five wins to eight wins into the playoffs.

So next year you kind of hope to take that next step too, And I think we just have a lot of the good building blocks in place to keep that moving forward.

And from all accounts, you know, just you know, in terms of like almost like college building a program in an era of where college and pro players are constantly moving, it feels like we have a good core of like this has an experience that will carry over into next year.

It won't be a bunch of guys playing for other teams.

Speaker 4

Feels like someone's just getting started here.

And again, you never know for sure.

And I do think there's some teams around this division.

The Saints was shuck, you know, and the Falcons are interesting.

Speaker 3

The Falcons ever get a quarterback.

I do not want Harball.

Speaker 4

I do not want I don't want John Harball going to Atlanta.

That could change things, but it does I have that feeling.

It's the most excited I've bet about an off season a long time, because now it feels like now it really feels like we can take it to another level with the right off season.

Speaker 5

Feel like a season too.

Normally we're talking off season, it's September and October.

This is different.

Now we're almost to the combine year, not too far.

I was like, didn't even talk draft really yet.

Speaker 7

It was right after thought, like we got the nineteenth pick because we just hadn't had any discussions heading into it.

We're kind of joking about that in the press box before the game, like we're usually deep into, like you know, draft talk this time of year and feeling out which players are going to stay and go.

And to me, it's like there are some needs.

Obviously every team has those, but they don't seem to be as plentiful as they've been in past years, especially with the defense taking a big leap.

Speaker 3

I thought to this past year.

Speaker 7

From being you know, in many ways the worst to personnel wise at least being very competitive in that category.

Speaker 4

What did you think of the defensive performance?

And I thought they did some amazing things, but also that final drive I didn't love the approach to the final drive.

Speaker 3

I thought there was too much time.

Speaker 4

I'm left to have that approach of just give them chunks of eight and nine yards over and over again.

But I also think it's a little ridiculous for people to be saying a varrow should be fired after that drive, So like where where do you?

And a lot of people are saying that, a lot of people are saying.

Speaker 7

Some people say, some people say, I will say this.

I think I haven't heard them address it exactly.

But to me, it's like, one, you know, they need to score a touchdown, so the picket fence is the end zone.

It's not like they could get in field goal rate to beat you.

But the other thing was, you know, how big of a factor was the fact jac Horn wasn't out there and he didn't want to play Caleb Evans out there on an island and then get beat for against the number one offense in the NFL.

So I felt maybe it was kind of like this umbrella of protection, and so they were giving up part of it, giving up some of the underneath stuff, knowing they were going to give that, and they never did go after Evans because they were obviously doing over the middle, taking advantage of the zone, taking stuff underneath.

Speaker 3

So I guess it's kind of pick your poison.

Speaker 7

And you got to say, matt' tapfort was the All Pro selection at quarterback, and that's the number one offense that you don't want to just get, you know, sizzled for a fifty yard touchdown or something down there.

Speaker 3

As it turns out, they end up.

Speaker 7

I thought that was an unbelievable throw and unbelievable catch.

At the end, there was nothing wrong with the defense on that last play where Parkerson got the touchdown.

That was a perfectly placed football for that touchdown.

And that's why when you face a guy like Matt Stafford, it's different than you know, facing you know, so many other teams in the league that don't have a quarterback of that caliber.

Speaker 5

When we start to look at the roster going forward in the running back room, with Rico being a free agent, how much of an X factor for all this is Jonathan Brook's going to be Because now we're finally going to get he's been kind of a great unknown.

Feels like we're ready to get some answers on who he is this upcoming season.

Speaker 3

Yeah, this is going to be it.

Speaker 7

Obviously after sitting out this entire season, see what is I assume his health would be good at this point.

You just don't know how explosive he'll be, so hopefully it is.

And then obviously Etn is the other one there, so I think it'll be interesting to see what he can.

Speaker 3

I'll say this.

Speaker 7

I mean again, he had the problem with the punt during the game, but he's got, you know, shiftiness and explosiveness.

Jonathan Stewart always has good things to say about what he thinks about Etn, so I think him taking a step up next year would be another opportunity for him.

I'm sure they'll probably add to the running back room beyond those two guys were talking about, but be excited to see what those two could do.

As far as being that guy, the way Rico was talking, he wants to be the bulk of the carries guy somewhere, and with Cuba here that's not going to happen.

So he kind of at least foreshadowed his thoughts as far as what next year looks like.

Speaker 3

Sounded like it.

Speaker 4

Jim Zogi with us.

It's the Monday morning view from the booth.

As we talk about a playoff thriller.

I like the way Nick Scott phrased it.

We were on the wrong side of a classic game, you know, and Nick Scott's been on the right side.

He's won a Super Bowl with the Rams, so he understands the playoff life.

What do you think about the way Bryce played, the way Cocher play, Teamac played like that.

That was a real exciting aspect of that game on Saturdays, seeing those young guys.

Speaker 3

The passing game.

Speaker 7

Yeah, it wasn't all these you know, checkdowns and short passes.

I mean, you were taking some big chunks down there, and that's when they're playing at their best is when they are aggressive and take those and much.

Speaker 3

Needed from Jalen Cocher.

Speaker 7

Not don't need one hundred and thirty four yards every game from you, but him and Tendero and McMillan.

Put those two together, I mean, those are two guys that can be around for a long time and give some good weapons in that area.

And again still probably not probably, but do need to add to that the receiver room as far as what you have as a collection out there.

But what a great starting point to have your true number one receiver.

You got in the draft this year in Tea Mac and I think we all kind of felt like we've been talking through the weeks that that Coker has kind of become that guy getting more reps than Lee get and so I think we're kind of seeing that emergence that he's earned that and he missed a big chunk of the regular season, but now that we got to see him towards the end of the second season and being healthy what he can do, it's like that that is much needed.

That's that Tea against the Chase.

That you need that that guy because they're going to try to take away Tea Mac from you.

So I think Coker is going to get better and better his as his young career goes into a third What.

Speaker 5

A sign too, And I think it's a good one that we are now at seven thirty five after a playoff game.

The voice of the team is in here, one of the voices, a long time member of the organization.

Uh, we're not even talking Bryce that much today because maggot Bryce had a bad performance.

Bryce would be on the top of the marquee of what do you think of Bryce?

Does he deserve a Bryce would be the headliner, but Bryce played relatively well enough now to where Bryce Mack is even coming up.

It's all on a Vero now this morning and now Bryce Young, So that's a good sign for how well Bryce played the other year.

For Bryce Span for VERA doesn't carry's preparing for two head coach interviews, one in Atlanta, one for in Vegas.

Do you think do you think Zoke he could get one of those gigs?

Like, how likely do you think that is?

Speaker 7

I think you know, he's been in the past years.

He's been mentioned as a candidate for these jobs, so I think again, they had a great improvement this year.

They're really competitive on that side, so it wouldn't be like you brought in like here's the coach the number one defense in the league.

But you can look at the body of work he's done in this league and being with the Rams for five years and other places where he's done like Denver.

Speaker 3

I think he's he's earned that right.

Speaker 7

So he's in the conversation and it's just a matter of who they land on.

Of course, you got Matt Ryan making decisions down to Atlanta, so who knows what will happen down there with Atlanta.

Speaker 5

Tillis, Yeah, about that GM though, right, they're still going to hire a GM.

Yes, yeah, this is different or is it just Matt Ryan going to do it all?

Speaker 4

GM is not going to be a promotion for him, right, He's a VP here right right, So like the GM reports to Matt Ryan there.

Speaker 3

Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4

I think I think the allure for him there was I oversee everything.

I oversee the GM, you know, whereas now I think he's kind of level with Dan, Right, they just specialize in different things.

Speaker 3

I feel like.

Speaker 7

That's very similar I think with that.

But back to Bryce.

You know, people, you guys are other shows all the time.

Two people say what is Bryce?

Speaker 3

The answer?

See the guy?

Is he?

Speaker 6

You know?

Speaker 3

Can he be?

Speaker 1

You know?

Speaker 3

The guy?

He doesn't have to be the guy.

He's got to be a guy that does his role.

Speaker 7

I always say it's a kin to basketball, where he just has to be John Stockton.

He has not be John Stockton and Carl Malone.

He just needs to do his part in this offense.

I think he was always drafted under the premise of being that distributing point guard out there and having the accuracy, having the vision processing things quickly that he and I thought they did a good job by and large of keeping him in a role where he's comfortable and then running.

We saw that touchdown run, so there's that extra elem Man.

I mean, that's one thing about you know, Matt Stafford.

He's a great player, but you know, having a young quarterback that also can get out and make plays with his feet like that was great.

Speaker 4

I love the way he set up land Man.

By the way, Billy Bob Florton should not be able to tackle Bryce show, so that's fitting, all right, That is to Norris should not be able to get.

Speaker 7

I've never seen it.

The only thing I've ever seen is a clip with Jerry Jones was on.

That's the only thing I've ever seen.

It's a hell of a show right now.

It's so good.

Speaker 4

But anyway, I love the way he set him up on that run because he's running to the right and I'm like Bryce, the whole center of the field is open.

But clearly what he was doing was getting Landman to make one more step and then I'm gonna cut it and he did, and man, the bank went crazy.

Speaker 3

How much fun was that?

Speaker 4

I mean, God, it felt like I mean, he didn't feel like twenty fifteen because we weren't demolishing the opponent or you know, we didn't have a big lead, but god, it was so much.

Speaker 3

Fun on set.

And it was a Panthers game.

Speaker 7

I mean there was some rams there, but I mean it was a Panther They booed at all the right times loudly, and a lot of times at the fifty to fifty mix er.

Speaker 3

It feels like a road game.

Speaker 7

And obviously the with Cam and the fourth quarter guy's coming out with the keep pounding thing.

But even beyond that, just the fact that just like it was a thunderous, loud crowd and we've not had that, and there's a playoff energy to how football is played, the intensity of the football, and I thought that carried over to the fan base as well.

There was an intensity to the loudness and the demeanor of the crowd during that game that's been missing to your points since you know, eight or ten years ago.

Speaker 3

What did you think of the of Cam coming at it?

What's kind of cool?

Speaker 4

Then when Jake did Jake leave the booth, I guess I guess he had to leave the booth to go do that right starting.

Speaker 3

Fourth John, that pops in I think for a little bit okay, and then he was down there with Smitty and Moves.

All of j.

J.

Speaker 5

Janson's former teammates were out.

Speaker 4

R Ry Collins, except he didn't play with bart Starr and green Bay bart Starr.

Speaker 5

You know, it was the only one only former teammate that is now show number four hundred in a row with.

By the way, I didn't know it till a SoundBite from yesterday.

I didn't know that JJ lives in Wesley Walls's old house.

I had never heard that story about that.

Now I ask him, Oh, I had no idea.

He had not invite It's over to the Craig very the cam.

Speaker 3

Wesley Walls never invited it's over.

Speaker 4

No, let's say as a matter of owner, maybe the next owner.

I never get invited anywhere.

Back to the cam here, I thought it was amazing.

The crowd loved it.

It was hard to see from where we were in the press box because they put it that core.

I wish they could have done that on midfield, but then I realized guys are lined up.

They wanted to do it right before the car before kicking.

But I wish they could have found a way to do that.

Even if they had do it a little earlier.

Do it like middle of the field type thing.

But then again, fans of the stadium could probably see the big screen in the press box.

Speaker 7

We can't see the big screench those dang ribbon boards, those ribbon boards that used to be back before those double ribbon boards went up, you could see from the booth.

We could always see replays.

I haven't seen a replay on the jumbo Tron whatever you call it, exactly and whatever year that went up fifteen years ago or exactly.

Speaker 4

But he is a showman, Like he went out there and was like he was like, I did it right, I'm back home again, did it?

Speaker 3

Feeling the love?

Speaker 4

And he knows he has that ability to get them hyped here in this town like he was, he was having fun with it.

Speaker 7

I almost wish we'd done it in hindsight, maybe just a few minutes before kickoff, because I felt it wasn't like it was.

It was no different than the other ones as far as the timing in the past, but it felt a little rush just because of the build up of it being cam like, did I didn't get seen and you've probably seen it.

Did they do like a little hype video of anything with cam I would have done.

Speaker 3

I see, that's the thing.

I can't see that sort.

Speaker 7

I just thought I thought he did the laser lights where he was coming through the tunnel lights showed him coming through.

Speaker 3

I thought maybe they're and they have no idea.

Speaker 7

Did at some point that he'd like got a cam hype video to build because everyone knew at that point he's coming out to come do this.

Speaker 4

So if you could have done sooner got him maybe on the center of the field, you could have done more lead up, do.

Speaker 3

A hype, do a hype video game.

He did a great He did a great job.

Speaker 4

They wanted him right before, like you know what I mean, they want to and the RAMS players are like I saw players turn around like watching like so anyway.

Speaker 7

We need a cam out there like staring down the other team where they would like run out on the field and Cam would just stand there and watch the other team run under the field.

Speaker 5

That was pretty bad out there.

That was bad as he used to do that.

Man, I guess this is uh we say goodbye.

I guess huh, so goodbye to see you later.

All right, we always have draft talk where we're gonna be.

We have to do draft talk.

We're gonna miss you.

Speaker 7

Come find Bernie and he'll track me down in a hole here, and whenever there's a free agent signing or a draft, you.

Speaker 3

Ain't getting away from us.

Speaker 7

All right, camp questions, enjoyed it, and at least we're heading it off season in a better mood that we were.

Speaker 4

The man.

All right, I'm gonna send you here.

Take my computer.

Respond to some of these textors that want to fire of arrow for me.

Please, I'm I'm wearing.

I'm wearing down.

That is good not to engage with the negative.

So I'm writing down a list of people.

Waiter I can text back, Yeah.

Speaker 5

I got an actual lest Richie.

Richie is very upset they lost Richie.

Isn't Richie the guy that was acting like we had no chance last week?

Speaker 3

Yes?

Speaker 5

Yes, So then why would you then be upside Well, because that's who you are.

No, wh ain't God it wants horn gone.

He's blaming a horn for what happened.

Speaker 7

This is tea boat not responding to any of the message I was funding verbally, not texting him back.

Speaker 3

By the way, as good.

Speaker 4

As therapeutic, as good as those wide receivers are.

PFF had Horn giving up two completions and four attempts and Mike Jack one of seven.

Speaker 3

So all the stuff other innscis the midle of the.

Speaker 4

Field against our linebackers, against safeties in the zone.

That's the weakness of the past defense.

These two corners are bad.

Speaker 7

Talking about off seasonal quick coverage linebacker like linebacker kind of the missing.

Speaker 4

Sonny could get styles out of Ohio State.

Speaker 7

Give former safety get some sidelines like that.

All right, anyway, all right, Zoki, what do you ride my horse?

Speaker 8

Here?

Speaker 3

The Panters are going to call me w That's not.

Speaker 5

What did that performance do for the stock of Bryce with the Panthers and the fans?

Speaker 3

Here we go, Here we go.

Sports Radio nine.

Speaker 9

Adam Schefter reported that they're they're going to give him the fifth year option on his contract.

I think that puts him firmly.

I don't know that he's the guy, but for the Panthers, I think he's our guy.

Yeah, like we got our guy.

Yeah, but it's not we got the guy, right.

There's a big difference between our guy and the guy.

Our guy is better than we're in quarterback purgatory, right or we're going back to the draft.

Speaker 3

It's better than we think we have our guy.

Yeah, we think we have our guy.

I think they can confidently.

Speaker 8

Say they have their guy, right, And you wonder, yeah, like what the contract would look like after the you know, after his five years are up, if you could figure it out that you could build the team.

Speaker 3

Yeah, the arrows pointing up.

Speaker 8

And they have they have, like I said, Cocher and t mac like they have guys and their running game.

But I think so, so let's talk about.

Speaker 3

The Rams real quick.

Speaker 4

That is the boys from part in My tech PFT Big Cats.

Interesting the way they phrased it there, all right, But here's the question.

If we have our guide, does that mean you give him a big contract extension right now?

Speaker 3

Like you know what I mean?

Is that what that means?

Speaker 4

Because I and I don't know how fans feel about it.

First of all, the question you asked going to break, like, what do we think that performance from Bryce where he damn near went toe to toe with the MVP and came out on top and again.

Speaker 3

Had the lead.

Speaker 4

He had a game winning playoff drive, right, It's not his fault that twice he took the lead and the defense gave the lead back up.

I think his stock.

I hope his stock is going up.

You pointed out Bone, it doesn't feel the same with the Texters.

It feels like they're e Is saying nice things and the folks that don't say nice things about Bryce are just sitting this one out.

He he showed us in multiple games down the stretch what he is capable of doing.

I still personally am not in a hurry to give him a long term deal though, but how can you not be reinvigorated by some of the games he played down the stretch, including that one.

Speaker 5

You have to me and I also wonder when it comes to the extension.

Now, how does the Icky injury affect any offseason plans they have for contract extensions, what they want to do in free agency?

Heck, the draft canals talking to yesterday at Icky's injury, you know, could affect the draft and free agency.

So what would that do if they have to go left tackle shopping at all?

In terms of when they want to give Right's a deal.

If ak he's out for a very long time, how does that play a factor?

Speaker 4

I guess it depends on how much money you're spending on you know, I mean, I guess there could be a trickle down effect, like, hey, we now have to draft a tackle higher than we had thought.

So now maybe this position we got to get in free agency.

I don't I don't know if they're if they're linked bony yeah again, I mean, I don't know.

It's going to be a conversation.

I'm sure we're going to have more than one time.

I still am of the belief that I would let him play out one more year, and I would ask for him to play like, for example, I went here, messed around on PFF You take his last six games bom nine touchdowns, three picks, eighty two PFF grade.

He's the ninth highest graded quarterback in that stretch, and one is Malik Willis, who only played in two games.

So you take the guys that played, you know, the bulk of those games, he's the eighth highest graded quarterback during that stretch.

About that last year, the infamous final ten games, he was a top ten quarterback on PFFS grades for that stretch.

So I would like to see more of him for a full season looking like this, But I do, Yeah, I just want to keep adding to the roster and how many games do we win?

And can Bryce work out the consistency thing, like, are you ready to pay him Bonesy, No, I'm ready to pay other guys around him, another wide out to go with the two young guys in a pass catching tight end, build up the offense, and then next year have no doubts that he's the guy.

Speaker 5

I'm not doubting he's the guy, but some may still do that.

I want him back to have a full offensive compliment next year of pass catchers, including the tight ends and guys that can make no stats go even higher.

And that way, next year they can go win a playoff game, and there's no doubt that Bruce should be paid.

So I wait one more year, fix everything around him.

Hopefully the left tackle thing plays out okay, But in terms of the playmakers, keep adding more and let Bryce evolve to where he absolutely no doubt earns all that money.

Speaker 4

Seven oh four number.

If you wait another year, you're costing yourself money.

That's the rub.

I mean, I would understand Bone why they may want to open up talks and see if they can get him to bite on something, you know, because if he does ball out, hear he's gonna you know, today's price, not tomorrow's price, type of thing.

But I don't know.

If he balls out and earns a contract, so be it.

I feel like we will be pretty happy paying him the contract, even though it's big money.

So that's why these things are so interesting, managing the cap and how you manage the roster.

But I think he has shown what he is capable of.

The next challenge is consistency, but that's the case for many young quarterbacks.

But when he goes out and plays his best Bony, it can be damn good.

Speaker 3

And we had somebody.

Speaker 4

The only person I saw send anything negative about Bryce today was about the completion percent.

Speaker 3

Joe.

Speaker 4

He was twenty one or forty or whatever.

But when I looked into it on PFF, he had three more deep balls.

By the way, he continues three to five.

He continues to just be so accurate throwing downfield.

I want to see more and more of that as his as his career evolves.

But he had a bunch of incompletions, but six of them are on throwaways.

According to PFF, I actually thought he threw the ball away more.

He was under pressure bone forty five percent of the time.

Courting to PFF, the old line I did not think had a very good night.

And in fairness, Rob Hunt's coming back from injury, suffered a peck injury during the game and came back and Nickey went out and Nyman was in.

But six were throwaways, two were drops, and one was batted.

So that's nine incompletions right there.

That his adjusted completion percentage on PFF was seventy.

Because of that, the man with the wois completion percentage football this year is Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3

And look at him.

Speaker 5

Look out, Look where he's got the Bears, and look what he does in the in the big moments.

So you know he's got to get it in a little bit higher.

But you know it is what it is.

Ther young quarterbacks that'll get better over time.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I mean, I think he's just talking about the game on Sun on Saturday, not overall completion percentage, but the fact that he was twenty one to forty.

But again, that's nitpicking, man, that's nitpicking.

He went out there and put thirty something points up on the Rams.

Oh, by the way, for the second straight time against the Rams put up.

Speaker 3

To every one points.

Speaker 5

Ryan wants to know why Cam doesn't put on muscle and lift more weights in the offseason that way is excuse me, Bryce, Sorry, I'll say I can't.

Speaker 3

I can't.

Whoa cam.

Speaker 5

He wants to know why Bryce doesn't lift more weights and put on muscle in the offseason back.

I think Bryce Bryce coming back jacked and muscular would look awfully fun.

Little brock Lesnar wouldn't.

Speaker 4

He would have seen mister Olympia, Bryce, you know what you do?

Speaker 5

You overthrow wide outs.

I'd say he's too strong, he's overthrowing back.

That's a Colin Cowherd.

Take too many muscles on a quarnerback.

Speaker 4

I don't like that quarterbacks have backwards hat or too many muscles.

That's definitely something that could end up happening.

Uh, let's see seven oh four or five, seven oh nine six.

Jacob says, the fact that Mac doesn't want to play pay Bryce Young after that performance is absurd.

He earned the right to be the guy long term.

Is it wrong to want consistency?

Like we saw a really good sample in the last seven games, but we.

Speaker 3

Played eighteen of them, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5

You hope they got a little sip of that playoff a little sip of that playoff juice, and you hope that Bryce did well in it, and that confidence carries over to the next season.

Imagine, imagine playoff Bryce Mack starting next season.

Well, he doesn't really necessarily started the season very well.

What if Bryce actually gets off to a hot start.

Very nice twist, and then it's not just about the end of the season.

We need a hot We need hot Bryce in the fall.

Man, A hot Bryce fall is what we SOE was starting to get a little bit weird.

So thanks for.

Speaker 4

Seven O four number says interesting that anybody would call out anything from Bryce in that game.

How about Canals going four on fourth and failing.

How about the running game again averaging three points something yards of carry.

That's the thing is down the stretch.

Bryce has been playing really well.

The run game has not really been helping him.

The game is a quarterback's best friend, and he hasn't really had his best friend, and he's been doing alright, So I think that has to be factor in there as well.

This dude says Bryce was under pressure all night on Saturday night.

Speaker 3

No one has called out the ol line.

Speaker 4

I think I kind of called out the old line in a nice respectful way.

But yes, and Bryce's numbers showed it.

Bone four of seventeen under pressure, The Rams did a good job of when he got pressure, and he got pressured way too much.

The Rams you saw in that final drive, Bryce couldn't do much of the escape outside and find a receiver thing.

They did a real good job of blanketing guys in the scramble drill or whatever.

So yeah, I mean, but that Bryce Cocher and t Max show Man.

Give me more of that.

Speaker 3

Come back.

Speaker 5

How are we supposed to feel after the emotional l on Saturday?

Are we proud?

Are we happy with the effort?

Are we ticked off?

How are you feeling?

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