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As we join you this evening, America is still digesting the hundreds of thousands of documents released by the Department of Justice regarding the activities and associates of Jeffrey Epstein.

Most notable and prominent in this release are the many pictures of former President Bill Clinton in varying degrees of naked with women who do not appear to be Hillary Clinton, shocking Bill Clinton, who could have guessed?

But who really was Jeffrey Epstein and why was he doing all of this?

Some want you to believe he's just a pervert, someone who had harmful and illegal proclivities that ultimately led to his suicide.

I don't believe that.

And evidence we are going to review tonight explains why.

Evidence that we believe ties Epstein directly to the CIA and potentially MASAD and.

Other intelligence services.

While the release of.

These documents does evidence my claims, I'll point out my viewpoint on the matter isn't a new one.

I explained who and what Jeffrey Epstein was on the Betty Johnson Show last year.

I actually think that on Epstein, it was a foreign government that took him out.

I don't think it was a domestic enterprise, really I do.

I'm not going to say which one, but it was it was domestic inspired to take.

Out of him.

I think that was a foreign operation, government sponsored.

So foreign operation took out Epstein inside of our prisons, so they would it must have been allowed to Oh.

I think it was.

It was.

It was in concert with people in our government.

But not at like some you know, low level guard getting bribed kind of way at.

A state to state level.

Wow.

So that's probably a lot of partied interests in keeping that under wraps.

You better believe it.

Weapons systems at play, global deals at play.

So what if Epstein was am I six or CIA, what activities would he have done?

A report from drop site News helps answer this question, and it begins with Iran Contra.

The public learned of the Iran Contra scandal in nineteen eighty six when a CIA front group called Southern Air Transport lost plane in Nicaragua.

Southern air Transport then quickly needed to move their fleet out of Central America, and Epstein helped them.

He helped Southern Air Transport set up a new base in Columbus, Ohio, where very interestingly, they became the fleet transporting women's lingerie.

That's right, they went from moving contras, guns, drugs, and money to running undies, bras and teddies.

And who did Jeffrey Epstein set up with this new air shuttle service for panties?

Les Wexner was a billionaire fashion mogul who owned Victoria's secret Abercrombie and Fitch and other brands sometimes of Israel.

Spoke to an.

Author who studied Epstein and mentions Massad links and the need to review them, and The Washington Times published this story with viewpoint from an NSA counterintelligence official that Epstein was indeed tied to Masad.

Epstein would eventually get power of attorney over Wexner's fortune.

So on one hand, Epstein was getting some of the most powerful people in the world world like Bill Clinton naked with females on his island, and he was apparently taking pictures.

Now, President Clinton doesn't seem to know all of these photos are being taken in all cases, that's weird too.

So why was Jeffrey Epstein taking CIA planes and then handing them off to someone who had potential ties to Masad?

And what was he doing taking these pictures of Bill Clinton?

Here with us now I discussed global affairs and politics.

Writer for Drop site News and co host of the Intercepted podcast Martazza Hussein Martazza, you laid out the argument that Epstein was working with the CIA on something called this Southern Air Transport connection.

Walk us through the key facts and what the story tells us.

Yeah, thanks man.

So Southern air Transport was his CIA front operation as an airline that was owned for may decades by US intelligence agencies.

But only in the nineteen eighties after one of their flights was shot down over Nicaragua and it was found that it was being involved in Iran contra, that the entire history is started to come to light about what SAT really was and what it actually been involved in.

So at that point Iran Contrast start to unravel, and the whole plot to ship weapons to Iran using Israel as a middleman, and using the money to fund not just the Contrast, but other off the books intelligence operations came to public lights.

After that, SAT came under a tremendous public scrutiny.

And then one interesting thing then, the base of our story is that the planes themselves for this airline were moved from their base in Miami to Columbus, Ohio, and they were used to later service the retail empire of Leslie Wesner, who was a powerful retail magnate for brands like Victoria Secret and Abergramby and Fish and so forth.

And the individual, according to a local official who spoke to a local reporter and Columbus named Bob Fatrakis.

Who was the point man for moving those planes, the Iran Contra planes was Jeffrey Epstein.

At the time, Epstein was a not very well known financier, but he had been made the power of attorney over Westerner's vast financial empire nineteen ninety one in very sort of strange and surprising circumstances.

So that transfer of power of attorney effectively made Epstein an oligarch, so to speak.

He was an extremely powerful.

Political and financial figure in the United States and the world following his de facto inheritance of Westerner's fortune.

So his moving of the planes was sort of his entree into the story.

But he had close ties with other individuals in the eighties who were very closely involved in Iran Contra.

Anan Kashoji, who was the uncle of the slain Washington Post journalist Jamal Kashoji, who was a major arms dealer in Iran contract, very close to Epstein, and also another individual, John Stanley Pottinger, who was very very close to Epstein.

The New York Times actually recently revealed that Pottinger was his roommate in the eighties during the time that he was taking part in Iran Contra, but they didn't mention the Iran Contra aspect of it.

So I've seen a deep links into this scandal, and I think that to understand who Epstein was in his role in American foreign policy, this is really a formative episode, and the planes themselves just kind of put an exclamation mark on that.

Why would the CIA need Epstein to relocate this air fleet into Columbus, Ohio.

Well, I think that the major issue was that SAT itself need to start keeping a lower profile after what happened with Iran Contra and really the tremendous malpractice and illegal activities that were SAT was involved in, not just smoggling the weapons, but also with acquisitions and moving drugs and so forth around the world as well.

They just need something to do with these planes that would keep them off the books and keep them away from public scrutiny.

It will kind of rebrand the airline in a more constructive fashion.

So initially they start using SAT planes to ostensibly conduct humanitarian aid missions in the late eighties after Iran contract came to light to sort of rehabilitate the brand, but over a course of number of years, they just started moving on to becoming more like a regular commercial airline in theory, so they were moving clothing for Wexner's financial empire, things which are legitimate and things which would not attract public scrutiny.

But even then, the airline.

Remained dogged by these accusations that cocaine kept being found on SAT aircraft flying around these roots.

And when the Iran contract final report came out in ninety eight, they actually shut down the airline.

They abruptly declared bankruptcy.

So I think it wasn't necessarily that they needed to help to give rid of the planes, but they need something to take the heat off this airline what had been used for.

And he offered a convenient way of killing two birds of one stone.

He could actually help facilitate Wexner's financial empire while also taking the heat off SAT at the time that was drawing so much scrutiny.

And I do want to understand the Wexner piece more.

What do we know about Wexner's own connections with any intelligence apparatus.

Well, you know, a very interesting thing happened all at the same time frame in the early nineties, which is that Wex made Epstein his power of attorney over his huge fortune, and he was also coming in a scrutiny from local police over alleged connections to the murder of this lawyer who's connected to his financial empire named Arthur Shapiro.

Now of those connections never those allegations or suspicions, never manifested in a sort of criminal trial, but there was this growing public scrutiny of his activities in general.

So at that same time, he made Epstein the power of attorney of his fortune.

But he also helped found this organization or organizations is the wrong word, but the sort of network of individuals known as the Study Group or the Mega Group in later description, which was this network of billionaires and oligarchs who shared some shared political interests around the world.

Western helped establish all of that, and at the same time he did so, he made Epstein, you know, his de facto representative in this group and in his fortune.

So I think that his own ties to this, the granularity of it is not as clear.

But Epstein, when he stepped on the scene, he became Western's de facto represent and we saw to Epstein himself, we've seen that he has a tremendous connections to a US intelligence, Israelian intelligence.

He was conducting back channel diplomacy, all these activities which are the basis of drop Starts reporting of the last few months, but which is not really sunk into the broader discussion of who he was and what his actual political role was doing the last decades of his life.

There are a lot of people who look at these facts and they say, why was this guy not busted earlier?

Why was he allowed to continue to engage in these activities of aide justice?

And people go back to a decision, a prosecutorial decision that former prosecutor Alex Acosta had to make in really pleading Epstein down to this minor charge when there was concern that his activities were of course monstrous based on the information we now know.

And Acosta says, well, you know, I'm essentially forced to do this because of the Intel community.

He belongs to Intel.

Was some iteration of Acosta justifying this prosecutorial decision.

How do you view that that remark or reflection by a Costa in light of this report that you've published a drop side news.

Well, it's interesting because in later years I believe the cost has said he didn't say that, or he sort of you know, fudged your backtracking that statement.

But you know, it's interesting because his connect Epstein's connections to the intelligence world is sort of self evident, even in their own public disclosures from the estate he was meeting with Bill Burns at his home in the last years.

Of his life.

That's in his calendars.

But another thing that's offered I think a lot more insight into the granularity and the details of Epstein's intelligence work, where these leaked caches and emails that drop site has been covering in the last few months, which details conversations with a number of people, but including his former Israeli Prime Minister Ah Barack.

Now, Epstein and Barack were working very closely and helping promote security deals for the Israeli government around the world, oftentimes using these Israeli intelligence like surveillance technology firms as an entree to help build tize with foreign governments.

Epstinctly in the background of these deals, coaching them along for many, many years, and these activities are documented in these well vetted sort of logs and the communications.

But that aspect of who he was and what he did has really not been the primary focus of this accounting, so to speak, over his activities, people focusing on his monstrous engagement and sex crimes and so forth, and that doesn't deserve a tremendous amount of focus and scrutiny.

But the fact that he was in the room for certain discussions the things we've talked about in our reports.

But he was helping set up a back channel diplomacy between the Israeli and Russian government in twenty thirteen to help depose the Syrian government at that time.

He was also helping facilitate talks between the Israeli government and the government of Quote Noirs and the government of Mongolia, other places in Nigeria we're going to talk about in future reports.

There's never really been an explanation of who he was and how he would be the person to be in the role that he was.

He was a private citizen on paper.

But one thing it's very important I think that's very interesting to note, having spent a lot of time reading his emails, is that his relationship with Barack at this time, Barack was still the Defense minstor.

He's still a very influential person and Israeli a political security establishment.

He clearly had the higher status and their power dynamic.

It wasn't that he was chasing after Barack to get his attention or anything like that, but any think is really the opposite.

Barack was quite keen on getting his attention.

I'm getting helping Epstein's help and helping him make money at a private level, helping him pursue these security deals for these firms and for the Israeli government.

So Epstein, whoever he was, clearly had more high status, more power than this very powerful, really official And I think that's part of the you know what's so unsatisfying about the way the story has been covered, that something is really missing in the dynamic.

Wow, well, certainly something will continue to follow with your reporting of drop site news.

Taza Husseying, thanks so much for joining us and helping us weave through it all.

That's that, and coming up, we had to Fulton County, Georgia, where there are new allegations that the election of twenty twenty wasn't run properly because in person voting on election day requires a signed receipt from the machines.

Those receipts are now missing.

Those signatures.

Kleeta Mitchell will be here to tell us what that means about our reflections on the twenty twenty election.

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We return to our coverage of election integrity, and there is breaking news about the twenty twenty election coming out of Georgia.

Georgia is a state we cover closely because it seems strange to us that before the twenty twenty election, Georgia entered into a settlement agreement with Stacy Abrams that eroded signature verification on mail and balls.

Now we are learning that there are a full one hundred and thirty tabulator tapes.

From twenty twenty that were just unsigned.

Tabulator tapes are the receipt like pieces of paper that contained the vote tabulation information for a particular machine.

They are the absolute key to ensuring that there's not a malfunction in the machines that isn't caught in some way on paper.

They could see the function of the elections operate in an illegal or improper way without the requirements being followed that there is this signature on the receipt of the election itself.

Fulton County is now contending that election workers made an administrative error, which seems like a real effort to downplay a big problem with hundreds of thousands of in person votes.

We want to get right to this story with someone who covers election integrity like a glove joining us now, founder of the Election Integrity Network and senior legal fellow for the Concern of Partnership Institute, Kleida Mitchell, so Clida, we see these receipts lacking requisite signatures in Georgia.

What story does that tell you?

Well, for those who don't know, I was one of President Trump's volunteer attorneys in twenty twenty in Georgia and was sit down there by the White House, look and see what had happened during the election.

Let's just start with this.

It was a mess of an election, a complete mess of an election.

And one of the reasons was because Brad Ravensburg, the Secretary of State, refused to enforce the law.

And so there were so many flaws, so many ways in which that election violated state law.

And what has just happened recently, well, let me just say this.

We filed a sixty four page complaint at contest, an election contest in which we identified hundreds of thousands of votes that had been cast and counted in violation of Georgia law.

And it was all in our complaint, with over eleven hundred pages of documents, verified witness statements, both fact witnesses expert witnesses, showing that the margin between President Trump and Joe Biden of eleven thousand and seven or seventy nine votes, that there were way more illegal votes than the margin.

And under Georgia law, you cannot certify an election.

Certification has to be thrown out.

So for the last five years, what we've been told repeatedly, let me just say this, we never got a judge appointed to hear the case.

By the way, that's very important.

We never we never got our day in court.

When people say President Trump lost all of his elections, No he didn't.

He didn't lose hours because he never got his day in court.

It's such a case point, just a.

Very key point.

It's amazing.

And so for five years we have had many, many people who've continued to work to identify additional problems in that election.

And just recently the state Election Board hurt testimony and evidence and the Fulton County, Georgia lawyer Election board lawyer admitted that there were over three hundred and fifteen thousand votes ballots, votes represented by missing tabulator tapes that were not signed, that were not signed by any election worker.

The law says that the every tape for every voting machine has to be signed by three people in the precinct showing it was a zero at the beginning of the day and that at the beginning of the election, and how many votes were recorded that day.

That has to be done on a daily basis.

There's a good reason why.

The reason that has to happen is because that is the backstop against fraud, That is the backstop against people willing votes into resistance that were never casked by actual human beings.

And you really zeroed in on what I wanted to address in this discussion, and that is the failure of the Georgia legal system to allow for a review of these facts until now.

It is twenty twenty five, Klita.

Isn't it a failure of the Georgia legal system that we're only learning about this now?

Well, it is a Let me just say this.

The chief Judge of Fulton count Age, his name is Chris Brasher.

He has since.

Retired, but he was the chief judge and it was his responsibility under the state Constitution of Georgia to appoint a judge eligible to hear our election contest.

We filed that contest on December the fourth.

Would you like to know when he finally appointed a judge.

He appointed a judge on the fourth of January when the certification of the electoral college was was going to take place two days later.

And the new judges sat a trial for three days after the electoral college votes, so they made it impossible for us to present our evidence, and since then there has been so it said.

Yes, it's a complete failure of the Georgia legal system.

It is a complete failure of the leadership of the state of Georgia Governor Kemp, the Lieutenant governor at the time, Jeff Duncan, Brad Rafinsberger, the Moron Secretary of State who now is running for governor, the Attorney General Chris Carr, who is also running for governor.

They were feckless.

They failed to exercise the responsibilities of their office to ensure that every the only legal votes were counted, and we documented and people can look in the public record sixty four page complaint and that has shows the statutes that were violated and how many votes had been included that in the count that were in violation of state law.

And now they say, yeah, there's a there's so many of those cases that were not decided on the merits but were decided on some jurisdictional ground where a judge merely didn't want to entertain the affidavits or the witnesses or cross examinations.

Let me ask you this question.

If we would have known at the time of certification what we know now about the lack of these legally required signatures for the election day vote, do you think certification would have ever even happened in Georgia.

Well, here's the thing, Matt, we knew when we filed our lawsuit, we knew and what transpired from that is that they didn't want to have any of that evidence heard in open court, which would have happened had a judgement appointed, we would have been able to present all that evidence, and they did not want that evidence heard.

So in our case, there was no question about standing or procedural grounds for dismissal, so they just did the other thing, which is not appointed judge just never scheduled it for hearing, so we never had a trial.

But we knew that.

And there are so many categories.

There are eighteen thousand, three d and twenty five votes that were cast by people who are registered at addresses, and this was in our lawsuit at addresses that the United States Postal system showed we're vacant.

That's either a vacant proper a vacant house.

And again the margin was only eleven, seven hundred and seventy nine.

Yeah, it's very hard to win elections when you don't win the vote of the people who are ghosts and don't actually exist, and when they're allowed to vote in mass it's a really hard group to appeal to.

The people who actually don't live anywhere because they aren't actually real.

Kleida Mitchell, thank you so much for your continued focus on this.

We hope we're able to clean it up and ensure greater confidence and elections going forward.

Thank you appreciate it very much.

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Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is planning to meet President Trump at mar A Lago in the coming days.

During that meeting, he intends to raise concerns about Iran's ballistic missile and nuclear programs and present options for new military action, including potential strikes in Iran.

The report says net Yahoo will try.

To persuade Trump to support additional strikes against the ballistic missile program and nuclear program facilities.

I hate to say it, but we called it.

On October eleventh of this year, I hosted Timcast A lot of lahoo is a pro Israel.

Member of the Timcast team, Kurt Mills, Dave DeCamp and I all said that Bib would return with a new plan of hostility toward Iran.

Said that he wouldn't we were right and a lot was wrong.

Pretty likely coming hostilities.

Do you think hostilities are coming?

No?

I think Israel magged the countries Iran and their proxies sufficiently important.

Though, this is important.

But if you're wrong, if you're wrong, though, if the hostility is re emerged, and say the next ninety one hundred and twenty days, will.

You support them?

Were you opposed to what?

Because you just said they got mogged?

They said you said that, So there's no crisis.

I don't no crisis anymore.

So why did these rail I think?

I mean, I think a lot of people from your foreign policy persuasion like to fear monger around things that happen, around these situations that don't pan out.

The reason we knew that Bib would be back for more violence is that he needs to externalize conflict because he's currently on trial in Israel for various corruption and abuse of power charges.

BB is just a thug and not even a really good one.

In order to not have to answer allegations that he abused power for gifts and political favors and favorable media coverage.

He's back with a new way to entangle the United States and the Middle East.

Trump should say no, no to bailing out Bibi's problems, No to another Middle East regime change war, No to the spilling of American blood or treasure, or even bombs on the deserts of Arabia.

Here with us Now, news editor for anti war dot Com and host of anti War News Dave DeCamp So, Dave bb shows up at mar A Laco in a few days preview is.

Pitch well, this is not very surprising news to me.

To hear that net Yahoo is going to ask for basically US support for another war, another attack on Iran, and because President Trump has bombed the nuclear facilities, now that they have a new pretext for the war, and that is Iran's ballistic missiles.

One thing that we actually discussed, I think back when we did timcast, was during this twelve.

Day war, up to the very end, Iran was able.

To to hit Israel with its ballistic missiles and Israel has never really been hit like that before.

And that's what basically the main reason why Israel agreed to the ceasefire after just twelve days, because they needed US support to attempt to continue intercepting these missiles, and the US used a lot of its own interceptors.

Twenty five percent of its bad interceptors were used attempting to intercept these missiles and many got through.

It costs the US billions of dollars.

So because the war ended like that, Israel did not achieve one of its goals with the war, which was essentially to turn Iran into a state like Syria or Lebanon where it can attack them with impunity, where they don't threaten Israel's designs for the region at all, so Israel can have basically total domination in the Middle East.

So that is Israel's real goal.

How is NETANYAHUO exactly going to pitch this to Trump?

I'm sure it's going to be what we usually hear from Israeli officials that you know, once they they're going to go after US.

Of course, they're a big threat to the US, to Europe.

We saw Mike Huckabee just making this argument today.

We see these reports that Israel is pushing for the US to support another war with Iran, and Mike Huckaby is you know, basically backing all this up because he essentially serves as you know, he's the US ambassador to Israel, but he essentially serves as another Israeli ambassador to the US, as Israel's advocate to the US.

So that's going to be the kind of the propaganda that we're going to hear is that, you know, you know, these ballistic missiles are a big threat, but the reality is they Americans in the Middle East at bases in the Middle East will be threatened by these missiles if we launch another war with Iran.

Yeah, that's what I want to get into because when we say ballistic missile, let's be more precise, because intercontinental ballistic missiles post threats to the United States.

If a country has intercontinental ballistic missile capability and the ability to have those missiles have warheads that can re enter the atmosphere, we've got to be really worried about that.

And understandably so.

The ballistic missiles in Iran are regional in nature.

They cannot reach the United States.

They abandoned, like a decade ago, their ambition to build missiles that can reach the United States, and so here when people say they are a threat to the United States, what they really mean is they are threats to US bases in the region, and we care deeply about the people at those bases.

But we wonder if these ballistic missiles are such a threat to those bases, what's going to happen if the United States gets drawn into this war?

And I think that's what you articulate.

We've seen some reporting push back on the notion that there's going to be a really receptive audience for this message from the Prime minister.

What are you following regarding the likely.

Pushback from the administration toward Netanyahu's plans.

Yeah, First, I'll just say about the missiles, you're right to say that they are only a regional threat.

And one thing we saw in the last war was a very choreographed Iranian response to the US strikes, basically giving the US notice that they're going to strike the base in Katar so they could evacuate it.

There's reason to believe that if there's another war, then Iran will think that it has not established deterrence with Israel and the US, and it's going to hit much harder.

So that's something to keep in mind.

And when it comes to how receptive Trump will be, I mean, it's tough to really know.

As you mentioned, we've seen reports in Israeli media that he's not going to sign off on this.

Now, we got to be careful with this because it could be like a sy op on top of a ssayah.

But if you remember the lead up to what they call now the Twelve Day War, there was all these reports that nit and Yahoo and Trump were at odds over Iran, and then after the war actually started, we saw reports that that was a deception campaign.

Essentially, those stories were being leaked to the media to make it to keep Iran off guard.

We did see President Trump on truth social the moment, you know, right before Israel started bombing Iran say that he's still committed to a diplomatic solution with Iran, and then all of a sudden, Israel is bombing the country.

So it's tough for me to trust anything we see in Israeli media.

And we just saw another report from the Washington Post saying a similar thing, that there was a deception campaign.

Israel called there opening round of air strikes on Iran, which involved attacks on the ground from MASSAD assets in the country.

They called it the Red Wedding.

If your viewers are familiar with the Game of Thrones, that's not something I would want myself to be associated with.

But essentially it was a deception aimed at, you know, creating a surprise attack against Iran.

So we could see a similar deception campaign.

At the same time, I think the way Trump handled the last war does show that he doesn't want this to turn into a long drawn out conflict.

But at the same time, we've seen him make threats.

Just the other day, he was asked about Iran's ballistic missiles and he said, oh, we could obliterate those two.

So it's always hard.

There's a shifting ground here, though, David, because it was all about the nuclear program right in the lead of to the Twelve Day War.

We had to do this because of the unique threat of the nuclear program.

Well, now I guess they have to reignite America's interest in going into some war with Iran, but not under the same pretense that was already vanquished.

So now it's got to be the ballistic missiles.

And to me it showcases the fact that it's just about Israel engaging Iran in a war with the US involved.

Now, I want to ask what happens if we aren't, Like, if the United States just says, you know, we will neither participate in nor stop you from engaging in your campaign against Iran, what will others in the Middle East do?

And how will that interface with broader US Middle East policy that doesn't involve Israel.

Well, if the US tells Israel you know that they're not going to then I doubt that Israel is going to go for this, unless you know, there is always the chance of Netnya who trying to rope the US in because Trump is a very you know, pro Israel president of very pro Israel administration.

Would they sit back as Iranian missiles are hitting Tel Aviv?

I doubt that, But I think.

Reigning Israel in just in general would be good to advance peace in the region.

I mean, we see them just on a tear in Lebanon and Gaza, continuing to violate the cease fire deals, and this invasion of Southwest Syria goes on new settlement expansion in the West Bank, a major thing that they approved over the weekend.

So I think just saying no to Israel in the Iran front obviously would would be a good step, but there really needs to be a fundamental reassessment of the whole relationship here.

If they really want to rain Israel in.

Well, what I know is all elements of the relationship will be on the table at mar A Lago as President Trump pursues our nation's goals, and certainly netnya who will pursue his nation's goals.

Dave to Camp, anti Ward and antiwar News, thanks for joining me, Thanks Matt, and coming up, Mike Pence is creating a neo conservative infrastructure for those who are leaving the Heritage foundation.

We've got Will Donohue here to sound off on what that means for the future of the conservative movement.

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The GOP civil war continues as more than a dozen former Heritage staffers have fled to the next big thing in conservative politics, Mike Pens.

Mike Pence has created a new neocon nonprofit that may surprise you.

Forever War conservatives like Pence were rightfully made irrelevant by President Trump's Magna movement, but they've found renewed cloud in the last few months over a few contentious.

Foreign policy issues.

The group is called Advancing Americans Freedom or AAF.

The former VP founded it after leaving office in twenty twenty one.

It was the odd neocon kid on the block until recently when fifteen Heritage Foundation staffers, people who admittedly had impressive resumes and experience, they found their way to the organization on these false claims of anti semitism directed at the Heritage Foundation.

Of course, the Heritage Foundation is not an anti Semitic institution.

They rightfully condemn hatred and have done so unequivocally.

But the lies, smears, and melodramatic resignations aren't about fighting hate.

They're about creating power America last conservatives like Mike Pence are recruiting, organizing, and fundraising.

They're building a political infrastructure to go after the Conservatives they don't like and try to seize control of the party that Donald Trump built.

In his image.

We cannot let that happen.

Joining us now the founder and chairman of the College Republicans of America Will Dona Hue.

So Will, how worried should we be that Mike Pence is gathering up the League of Extraordinary Neocons.

Thanks for having me back on, Matt, It's great to be here.

Mike Pence and the neocons are going to make another play in twenty twenty eight.

They've been trying to do.

This is twenty sixteen, and it's not going to work right.

You know, Mike.

Pence thinks he's going to be able to steal a couple of Neocons staffers from Heritage and make a sweat.

That's just not the case.

Kevin Roberts is a great guy.

Heritage is a great organization, and a lot of great people have come out of Heritage in recent years.

We are going to continue the magatrain and the Neocons are not going to take over in twenty twenty eight.

But it does seem that they're preparing something right the fact that Mike Pence has set up this shop, he's attracting the people who have the viewpoint that's more in line with like a Mitch McConnell foreign policy, maybe a George W.

Bush foreign policy, not the Trump foreign policy.

I mean, is this really an organization now about those foreign policy endeavors and how our party will approach them going forward?

Yeah.

I think they tried this in twenty twenty four with Nikki Haley, and the party wasn't having it right.

The voter base rejected neo.

Conservatism in twenty sixteen in exchange for the MAGA agenda.

MAGA was a mandate from the people that we don't want foreign conflicts anymore dragging on for years and years with no end.

The non interventionist angle is the future.

The long periods of We're going to go into third world countries and throw them up against a.

Wall every ten years is done.

And it's destroyed our relationships with countries in Europe.

It's destroyed our relationships in the Middle East.

It's caused countless problems with immigration.

We're done with this.

It's not going to come back in twenty twenty eight.

We rejected it in twenty sixteen, and we rejected again in twenty twenty four.

But it doesn't defeat itself.

Right, you have to have the right candidate and the right movement, because when you scaled down out of the presidential contest, I have seen circumstances where the infrastructure, the funding, the credentialing that exists within the neo conservative world is very nurturing to candidacies and to aspiring politicians at the presidential level.

President Trump has been the ballast against that, and we obviously thank him for it.

And it begs the question, will who are they building it for?

Like, who do you think becomes the standard bear of this viewpoint.

You pointed out correctly it was Nicki Haley in the last contest, but it certainly won't be Mike Pence.

He's now going to try to anoint someone else.

Who do you see eager to pursue that.

You know, I think Nicky Haley could make a run again.

I think Marco Rubio could potentially be a top choice.

He's softened on some of those views recently working with the Trump administration, but up until twenty twenty four he was someone I would consider a neo conservative.

You know, I don't know who they have on bench that's going to be useful.

Maybe a Dan Crenshaw.

I don't see him taking it to taking it to JD.

Vans or any of the other candidates, but they're going to try.

For sure, they're going to fail.

MAGA will prevail as it has the last twelve years, and we're going to continue the Trump agenda all the way through twenty thirty two or twenty thirty six.

The reason organizations like Heritage are so important is because they can credential people.

They can give folks the opportunity to get the relationships and the knowledge base to be able to serve in really important positions in government.

And if they are monolithic in their viewpoint about interventionism, then I think it's a bad thing for the Republican movement.

Are you bullish on Heritage going forward?

I certainly am.

I'm bullish on Heritage going forward.

This morning I tweeted at Kevin Roberts, find me up, call me up.

We've got hundreds of college Republicans that would be killing for those positions.

I got guys working in the administration that I know that would love to work for Heritage.

It's a terrific organization.

We are going to backfill it with MAGA patriots.

We're going to keep it all going forward, and Mike Bence is going to lose.

Will donnaghe If you was standing by Kevin Roberts, he's ready with the bat phone to make sure that we've got the patriots ready.

Will.

Thanks for coming on the program again.

Thanks for having met.

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All the big headliners for the party were there and there were a few zingers on stage and a few controversies.

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Turning Point USA is the life's work of my assassinated friend Charlie Kirk.

Their annual amfest is a colorful opportunity for big voices in the conservative movement to share their viewpoint and their vision, their ideas, and indeed some of their best one liners and zingers.

This year there was inspiration, consternation, and revival.

Let's start with Ben Shapiro, one who has long opposed President Trump and the realignment that President Trump has led within the Republican Party.

Ben Shapiro is only on the Trump team when he has exhausted all other alternatives.

He came to Turning Point to tell the truth, or at least his version of the truth.

He thinks the key function of organizations like Turning Point should be to denounce and deplatform.

We must not let fear of other hosts deter us from telling the truth, and the people who refuse to condemn Candace's truly vicious attacks, and some of them are speaking here are guilty of cowardice, Yes, cowardice.

So no, Tucker Carlson, it is not an excuse to go silent on Candace's targeting of TPUSA or to mirror her bullsh minds of questioning because you love Candace personally.

The same holds true of Megan Kelly, a person I consider a friend, characterizing Candace as a young mother and thus shying away from condemning her actions or filing me about them.

When Steve Bannon, for example, accuses his foreign policy opponents of loyalty to a foreign country, he's not actually making an argument based in evidence.

He's simply maligning.

People that he disagrees with.

If you host a Hitler, apologist, Nazi loving anti American piece of refuse, like Nick flantays, if you have that person on your show and you proceed to glaze him, you ought to own it.

And that This is precisely what Tucker Carlston did.

He built Nick fuent has up, and he ought to take responsibility for that, just as he ought to take responsibility for glazing pornographer and alleged text trafficker Andrew Tates, or for mainstreaming fake historian and pseudo Nazi apologist Daryl Cooper as America's best and most honest popular historian.

Tucker Carlson took the stage about an hour later, and he responded.

To hear calls for like deep platforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk even, I'm.

Like, what is that's hilarious?

Deep platform and denounce?

Why haven't you denounced somebody else?

The whole like red guard cultural revolution thing that we so hated and feared on the left that we did everything we could to usher in a new time.

Charlie stood firm in his often stated and deeply held belief that people should be able to debate, and that if you have something valid to say, if you're telling the truth, you ought to be able to explain it calmly and in detail to people who don't agree with you, and that you shouldn't immediately resort to shut up racist.

By the way, it is okay to ask questions.

And I thought that was like the whole reason we were against the left.

They're not going to force.

You to get up there and make.

Ritual denunciations because This isn't my religion, it's politics.

By the way, your politics do not trump my love for other people.

We totally agree with Tucker Carlson.

It is crazy to suggest that the future of the conservative movement is that we all are married to every viewpoint.

Another person is taken with whom we choose to work together to defeat the left and save the country.

What are we supposed to do administer some new crime of platforming.

It never existed before, but now if you platform someone, that's the new crime.

And then it pairs with a second new thought crime, which is that like the denunciation neglect.

Like if somebody has done something worthy of denunciation and you have neglected to go and denounce that immediately, you have committed denunciation neglect.

I reject all of that.

It is nonsense.

It does sound like the cancel culture of the left.

And the way to confront people's bad ideas is just to directly confront them.

That's what we do here on One American News.

There are people who have different viewpoints on our talk shows, different viewpoints on this talk show, and that is very much in the spirit of Charlie Kirk to show that you can bring the country to your side, not with brute force, not by demeaning people, but by laying out something that is more compelling, and that is that is more attractive.

Meghan Kelly also noticed the name check she received from Ben Shapiro, and she says she and Shapiro are no longer friends.

I resent that he thinks he's in a physician to decide who must say what to whom and when thank you, So I don't I think we are friends anymore.

But the big moments in the conference came from Erica Kirk and Vice President JD.

Vance.

Erica began the conference by endorsing Vance for president.

We are going to get my husband's friend JD.

Vance elected for forty eight and the most resoundingly.

Possible, let's go.

Erica Kirk, delivering the keynote.

Vice President Vance didn't disappoint.

In the United States of America, you don't have to apologize for being white anymore.

And if you're an Asian, you don't have to talk around your skin color when you're applying for college.

Because we judge people based on who they are, not on ethnicity and things they can't control.

We don't persecute you for being male, for being straight, for being gay, for being anything.

The only thing that we demand is that you be a great American patriot.

And if you're that, you're very much on our team.

And the Democrats are always already talking about twenty twenty eight, and it looks like they're going to nominate a California.

Liberal who's presided.

A California Liberal who's presided over rolling blackouts, open borders, and unchecked violent games.

They're just trying to settle on whether it's going to be Gavin newsom Er, Kamala Harris.

What are the Democrats offering you in the meantime?

I gotta say, ladies and gentlemen, they are not sending their best.

Omar Fte was Ilean Omar's candidate for mayor of Mogan issue what I mean Minneapolis?

Little Freudian slip there.

The candidate for Senate in Maine for the Democrats calls me a Nazi, which is rich coming from a guy who literally has a Nazi tattoo on a chest.

And Jasmine Crockett, Oh, Jasmine Crockett, she wants to be a senator, though her street girl persona is about as real as her nails.

He was charming and funny and brought vision, and he certainly showed the capability to lead a movement that does have diverse viewpoints and opinions.

That's your twenty twenty eight front runner, bringing the boss energy he needed for such a monumental moment.

When Eric Kirk, possibly the most popular human alive right now, said he is the person to become president of the United States after President Trump, you also got a glimpse into how jd Vance thinks about these disagreements going on within the American right today, and he's not here for the Ben Shapiro deplatforming exercise.

I didn't bring a list of conservatives to denounce or to d platform, and I don't really care if some people out there.

I'm sure we'll have the fake news media denounce me after this speech.

But let me just say, the best way to honor Charlie is that none of us here should be doing something after Charlie's death that he himself refused to do in life.

He invited all of us here.

Charlie invited all of us here for a reason because he believed that each of us, all of us had something worth saying, and he trusted all of you to make your own judgment, and we have far more important work to do than canceling each other.

We have got to build, and President Donald Trump is a builder.

Vice President Vance's right.

Our movement will be stronger, bigger, more successful, and more robust if we have the key debates.

We can't hide from them.

Over the last several years, the political left has deemed certain discussions or characterizations is unacceptable in the market place of ideas.

How has that gone for them?

Sadly but predictably, the left's approach to race didn't make America more race tolerant.

But when they called a bunch of people racists who weren't, they probably created more racists than they converted.

And that's sad and we're against that.

And when we see the Ben Shapiro right throwing anti semitism around, believing that anti Semitism is around every corner.

When we call people anti Semites who aren't, they find themselves in an end state that neither they nor the anti Semites who or the non anti Semites who are called anti Semites ultimately want.

That's all the time we have.

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