[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.

[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Forty K-Lorecast with me, John Barsodian, Brad Chester.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's party time, everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are doing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: After two years of casting, I finally feel confident enough in our abilities to do the proper justice to the greatest of all the legions, the ultra marines.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for how we do.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, come on.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing this.

[SPEAKER_02]: If we do our line up of special characters, we could do seventy three episodes on them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did think about that that if we did, this could just be the next six months of our lives because if we do the named characters, there's over twenty of them and I think almost all of them have a book, one of them has his own video, you know, two of them have their own video games.

[SPEAKER_01]: It gets a little excessive.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see kind of what we do with this guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think you'll probably be three casts.

[SPEAKER_01]: It might push to four.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

[SPEAKER_01]: TPD.

[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, Forty K.

Lord cast.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be cliche in the lore of the Warhammer Forty K.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The more you guys comment, the more you like, the more it spreads us out to more people.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're actually some podcasts I listened to that we are now ranked ahead of, which is obvious, weird for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you'll find old versions of this show that have been converted over with imagery.

[SPEAKER_01]: live Q&A sessions, the history of Forty Kay, and our new short series, a whole bunch of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are the lowest and flatest country on the earth, just like Ohio.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was, as soon as you said flat, I was waiting for the Ohio job.

[SPEAKER_01]: People know how we go to like, this is lovely.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the cool thing about Maldives is for those of you who scuba dive, like myself, it's an incredible place to go.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've got bioluminescent plankton, you've got riches thriving coral reefs, shark dives, which I actually like to love to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: And even large aquatic things, like the blue whales will come to an occasion.

[SPEAKER_02]: Did we get sponsored by the Mel Deaves somehow that I don't know about?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I just, I told you we're doing where in the world is Carmen San Diego.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what this is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Every single week I'm doing something.

[SPEAKER_01]: But one note on the Mel Deaves is, if you want to go soon, cause up to sea levels are rising.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when you are the lowest, flatest place on earth, it's not great when the water goes up a few inches or centimeters.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just playing some Civ.

[SPEAKER_02]: All you have to do is put the walls around it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You'll be fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Last though, we also have a link to our discord in the show notes for those of you who like the show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to interact with more stuff around it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Especially with some of the new video games that are coming out, so the new novels coming out, our discord's a great place to get advice, help, et cetera.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's an entire channel for people who play space marine too, looking for people to game with.

[SPEAKER_01]: So come on in, come on over to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brad and I are there all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: You can ask us questions, tell us the stuff we got wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna come up every single episode, probably.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've never been wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, I can't wait to hear somebody just rip into me even though.

[SPEAKER_01]: But let's have some fun with blue space marines.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who by the way, have always been blue?

[SPEAKER_01]: No change to the armor color.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, light blue.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to warn you all, everyone has a favorite legion and my favorite of the recognized legions.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually do like some of the carcadans, the miniatars, but not really a recognized legion of the ones who plant the tabletop is the alternaries.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not to be fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: because I'm a shill for GW.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's because I was born in the eighties.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like eighties and nineties action dramas where the protagonist always has to pull off the victory at the last second.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that is Ultramarine's lore.

[SPEAKER_01]: No matter the odds are in their favor or the enemies, they always win at the very last moment with dramatic flair.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't believe me, go play Space Marine too again.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's just say, John's favorite armor is plot armor.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a shield.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually a shield for bad writing and I talked about a crap on bad writing, but there is something I like about the deep excitement of, oh no, he's going to fall into the pit of doom and then he doesn't at the last second.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was the era that gave us like Indiana Jones.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you had, this is all we saw in our movies.

[SPEAKER_01]: In this whole era, Star Wars where I had to shoot, I can blow up the [SPEAKER_01]: floating moon of attack with one shot down at air duct.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was a seventies, but still same general concept.

[SPEAKER_02]: We went back a little more.

[SPEAKER_02]: You went back to Brad's time.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you're directly.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, but originally known as a thirteenth legion, but this time thirteenth lucky number, whereas many other legions showed an aptitude for a specific style of combat, the thirteenth showed something a lot greater, which was restraint.

[SPEAKER_02]: Knowing is ever, I would say not just restraint, I would say versatility.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's a much better way of putting it, because the raw power you saw out of like world leaders, blood angels, iron warriors, space wolves, deathguard, there is no question in it, but they were all suited really for a specific style of combat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Against more tactical foes, a lot of the monostylistic legions could be muted or countered, because their battle plans were to weren't diverse enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: So in order to achieve success, they were partnered with the thirteen legions.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how the thirteenth legion first began to excel.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also going to point me up before I dive into it and about this die, trying about to go on everybody.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to badmouth the other legions when I do this.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is how GW writes the ultimate.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they write all the legions as being the best and the best and they write the alternates as being.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those guys are the best, but these guys are better.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just how it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing about them is when you talk Marines, the other chapters, the blood angels, the space was other own separate thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: When you say marines, they're almost always referring to the ultra marines.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is because this ultra marines were superior in thought and planning about all their legions.

[SPEAKER_01]: They might lose a few sorties against the other legions, but they're mastery of tactics and flexibility.

[SPEAKER_01]: They would always win the war.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we see this later, and it'll be on our next episode, when we talk about how, when the word bear is attacked, and they got them completely by surprise.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Ultramarians were able to take their moment, find the weakness, and then exploit it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's just what the Ultramarians always do.

[SPEAKER_01]: They never lose the war.

[SPEAKER_01]: They may lose the battle.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a huge fan of them because of this, because I think that's what tactics are supposed to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like this.

[SPEAKER_02]: It really shows them because they were deployed with everyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they were in every mix because they were the most versatile, the most easily flexible chapter of any of the Marines.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, the legions, not chapters.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they could be sent anywhere because they would send whatever the other people needed in that particular battle.

[SPEAKER_02]: They would send units of ultra-marines that would fill the gap.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were the speckle that you threw on, whatever the battle was.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what I like about this, we're again, when we talk about the Ultraman's having plot armor, it is not a joke.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are the way the GW pushes stuff forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: So in the early days of the Great Crusade, the Ultramarians were sent out in small groups to be attached to the other regions as they fought.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in a pretty serious foreshadowing effect, when they would take part in these combats or with those regions, they would then put iconography, I can't pronounce this word, iconography, iconography, iconography, iconography, I actually don't have pronounce that word.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, iconography.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is my first and kind of only language.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of words I can't do.

[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, they would put iconography on their arm or to commemorate [SPEAKER_01]: the achievement the same way it military sleeve insignias and service metals exist we see this more modern day like with death watch now have this most legions have when you go build your units a lot of them would have little bits of what I call it a court flare that you can put on your models and you build them it comes from the ultimate minimum this layer on your armor john chitchies yes it's always going to go shenanigans swear you're going to pistol with that person's shenanigans what's the first call down the road [SPEAKER_02]: I like a lot of the original Ultramanes.

[SPEAKER_02]: We just got to talk about fourth edition of one of our other cast back in the day and the still in a lot of the models that they have right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: The Ultramarines have if you want to go with a ton of flair.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even in the models, you can play on the models.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me say flare.

[SPEAKER_01]: Brad means literally if you painted the models, you put them on the board.

[SPEAKER_01]: Every model looked different and I could not agree more.

[SPEAKER_01]: It looks awesome because from a distance, they look like a sea of blue.

[SPEAKER_01]: with some white, whatever, then you get close to them and you realize every model is a little bit different and visually from an artistic standpoint, it really breaks it up really well.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so that all, this is something that exists in modern Forty Kay and the way that was introduced to it was through the lore of the Ultramarines.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Ultramarines give out the most stickers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, [SPEAKER_01]: After thirty years into the Great Crusade, the thirteenth legion took their greatest challenge and actually their first real loss and had a massive effect on the legion and their legacy.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this was called the Osiris Rebellion.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great Crusade is expanding and things are going really well.

[SPEAKER_01]: The emperor and the legion are just quickly pacifying the stars and making incredible gains in the galaxy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Most worlds actually were accepting imperial compliance and those that didn't were taught a very hard and fast lesson.

[SPEAKER_01]: More importantly, at this stage, there weren't a lot of worlds who would accept compliance and later go into rebellion.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was rare.

[SPEAKER_01]: They also had the nightlords, which made that even rare once it started happening.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you weren't, if you weren't Xenos and you weren't full casting done, and they hadn't really reached any of these yet.

[SPEAKER_02]: most everybody was passed by pretty quickly and they had a lot of W's in the early parts of the crusade because they just didn't meet unless you were the dark angels having to go against some crazy stuff and or the space wolves who were sent to pound yeah something you kind of were fed layups a lot they were chair picking a lot of wins here they went into it in the Osiris rebellion isn't an individual place it's the Osiris cluster [SPEAKER_02]: There was a ton of eleven star systems that are known in there, so like this is a large place, and all of a sudden you had a complete, it wasn't even a cut off of communication.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was just vessels being seized, naval vessels being attacked, and losing control, not even contact, but control of entire sectors out of nowhere.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what's really important about this sector, it's this sector didn't resist Imperial compliance.

[SPEAKER_01]: When the Emperor came in, it was actually bloodless.

[SPEAKER_01]: They signed over and signed a treaty and were super happy.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was actually viewed as a very reliable sector.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a very important sector.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it had at least two high-worlds in it, a lot of raw materials, a lot of this stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when the Osiris and we say rebellion breads hinted at there, but I want to dive home, there's levels to rebellion in this area.

[SPEAKER_01]: Most rebellions you hear about are, I'm not paying my imperial tithe for rebellion.

[SPEAKER_01]: or I want to renegotiate my Imperial Typhor Bay.

[SPEAKER_01]: This was the fired upon the Piero Naval Vessels, totally emirited every Imperial agent on the planets.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, immediately with the Imperium does is they blockade off the cluster.

[SPEAKER_01]: The closest group to this was the Ultramarines, and their Lord Commanders, a guy named Glenn Vasotho.

[SPEAKER_01]: They say to him, fix this.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he looks at this and he assumes the rebellion, like any rebellion that happened to me, which is some overly ambitious nobility, assuming that because his viewpoint is that these guys assume that the emperor and the legions were far enough away that they wouldn't come back.

[SPEAKER_02]: It can also, it was known that the crusade was going that way and they did want to come back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which they actually didn't want to come back.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you did get away with a little bit of this because if you could just wait out the Marines, you could usually negotiate a smidge with the imperial agents that were sent to you to talk.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you might look at that tie down from like twenty percent to eighteen.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, type maneuver.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Vasoto decides that this is a nothing thing and I'm going to do a tactic that actually they call out as being one they learned from Horace, which was this cutting off the head of the snake method.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rather than doing a protracted battle that just sacks a lot of world and costs a lot of thing, do you figure out where is the leader?

[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go there real fast and you kill them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because once they're dead, the rebellion usually is being fueled by them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is a really good idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is that he was wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's only discovered this the hard way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like saying he was wrong, selling that wildly short.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he was grossly misinformed as what was really going on, because no one knew what was going on, and went this entire plan if he'd known what was really happening, he would have not done it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't, and so...

And he didn't, and he didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: So in order to pull this off, the problem is a thirteen-thleagent half-deploy really aggressively and really fast, which means they had to leave all their support vessels behind, because there are lots of slower and much less armored, because they're going to learn jump in.

[SPEAKER_02]: All I'm saying is, [SPEAKER_02]: When you're playing Forty Kay, this is what's called overextending.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you get punished for it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, very much so.

[SPEAKER_01]: So because of this, the way it's set up is there are defenders and they have orbital platforms that they can fire.

[SPEAKER_01]: So all he can really, if he wants to go hard and fast, he has to come in with just the Ultramarine's cruisers for lack of a better description here.

[SPEAKER_01]: They can take some of the beating and they can give it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they move fast enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: They can avoid a lot of the firepower.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go in there basically just with space marines.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to land on this main high-floor old.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go in there and we're going to find the dude or people in charge and murder them.

[SPEAKER_01]: No problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then it will be done deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: No issues here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Round one goes great.

[SPEAKER_01]: They get into orbit.

[SPEAKER_01]: They blow up all of the threats of satellites.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't take a single casualty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then prepare, they begin an orbital bombardment of the planet, taking out all the planetary main defenses, so all the main fortresses, all the local guns, et cetera, and then they deploy down to the planet.

[SPEAKER_01]: at which point everything goes sideways.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because everyone decided they blew up our planetary defenses.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I took offense to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And who did everyone, apparently, they were handing out two for one bat sale because every single person on the planet just decided they were going to pick up a stick with a nail in it and start running at people.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that is, in effect, what's happens?

[SPEAKER_01]: They land on the planet and there is a horde of people waiting for them there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this just see if people, it's the jam the wood shepherd style.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing that we ended up doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: We, the imperium ended up doing this against the attachment.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming over on a team in Perium.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: I look much more like Imperium than anything else in the game.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so they begin actually just charging at the Space Marines over and over again.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what should have been a walk in the park becomes a slow trot.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's still going fine for Space Marines because it's the wrongs of people who are wearing a toga.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's against a Space Marine.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're just killing them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's long.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Watch secret level.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you'll see what happens when regular dudes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, this is, by the way, in the lore, not the tabletop on the, in the lore, a space marine against regular dudes.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it slows down.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_01]: He will kill them all on the tabletop.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll bet in the guardsmen.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nine hands out of debt.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen those dice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you can roll a bunch of three ups.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: but eventually the thirteenth legion succeed and they get to the main hive and the true source of the rebellion.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, this is not a planetary governor, but instead dirty, stinky, filthy, Zenos.

[SPEAKER_01]: out of nowhere ships that are described as having an hourglass shape that rotates come out of the sun where they've been hiding and start attacking.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've been hiding away.

[SPEAKER_01]: They start blowing up an attack in the ships in orbit.

[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, [SPEAKER_01]: The space ruins have been fighting through the populists.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, they've been thinking to a portion of the populist, the rest of the populist now comes out and such is basically jumping on them to pull them down and then they see the Zenos, who are described as being partially ethereal in form and then wearing Baroque biomechanical suits.

[SPEAKER_01]: which I took to mean steam punk, but GW didn't want to get sued, although I will admit steam punk is technically Victorian, but Baroque, Victorian.

[SPEAKER_01]: Deepak.

[SPEAKER_02]: Cool is crap.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't talk bad about steam.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking bad steam, but when GW described as Baroque, Baroque is a very, it's interesting, because it's nothing industrial in Baroque, so not really, and we have more.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're not close enough for me to throw stuff out.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Stop trying to take the fun out of it with real logic about things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you want to say fun?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think my mother has a master's degree in our history.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how he art museums, I got drug two at seven years old.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, sorry, the knowledge is in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going through this.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he went, as this is occurring, but so though, is an ultra marine.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he is a tactical genius and he realizes this battle is lost.

[SPEAKER_01]: He calls for a full immediate retreat and orders basically over bombardment to cover their retreat.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love everything about this because he just goes, [SPEAKER_02]: Well, these guys are rebelling.

[SPEAKER_02]: It probably be in my control by these enos, but I got to get my guys out of here.

[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just kill a few million people with just orbital environments and streaming runs.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we can get everybody loaded up on some thunderhawks and back out of here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens?

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly all those things, but just strafing runs, orbital bombardments, and a large section of the Legion does escape.

[SPEAKER_01]: Vosalto himself does stay behind to continue firing as the last ship departs because that's what you do when you're hero, then he does.

[SPEAKER_01]: The remainder of Thirteen Legion then depart and they retreat back to where the blockade was set up around.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting is that shortly thereafter, the Imperium launches a second invasion.

[SPEAKER_01]: This time with a full-solver or modda, the Ateenth Legion and the Thirteen Legion.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the Salamenders would become a Salamers and the Thirteen Legion.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they come in there guns blazing only to discover all the planets are basically empty.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they all laid down.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Go watch.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly that scene.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, they describe it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what they found was that there's just dead humans ever who just laid down and died.

[SPEAKER_01]: But two interesting pieces.

[SPEAKER_01]: One, the numbers didn't quite add up.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are millions of missing.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's only millions of missing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, implying that they were taken with them by the Xenos, because obviously Xenos are missing too.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the few humans that still hadn't starve to death, they were of course plugged into a machine to check their memories.

[SPEAKER_01]: Completely wiped.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is no evidence whatsoever of what happened.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they also had no ability to do anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were just drooling.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were factory reset.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just take it back to zero.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in the aftermath of this, the impairments, I was looking back into it.

[SPEAKER_01]: They realized the Xenos were a massive threat to the galaxy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now called the Oceirian Cybreeds, they were super-cycur species that could enthrall massive populations and utilize them for their own gains.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when they started looking at the records for the whole region, the Oceirians had been there for a while, formatting small rebellions all over the place and just creating strife and problems for the Imperium.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to leave the Ocearians now.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're coming back to them at the end of the cast, but let's just say, all space Marines can hold a grudge and the ultramarines are not above that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, here are a lot about the Ocearians anymore, but yeah, they didn't make it spoiler alert.

[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't make it to the thirty second millennia.

[SPEAKER_01]: But actually over the thirty first technically.

[SPEAKER_01]: So because of the failure of those Syrian rebellion, the thirteenth legion actually fell into almost a state of malaise, this is their first real loss of the crusade, and it was a big one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think with the ragdand, with the dark danger.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think they got a little bit of the same because of the fact they didn't just take a loss.

[SPEAKER_02]: They got first round KO.

[SPEAKER_02]: They got crushed.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they all, they got duped.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is the thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're supposed to be these tactical geniuses.

[SPEAKER_02]: We always know the right plan.

[SPEAKER_02]: They got duped.

[SPEAKER_02]: They also were known for not giving collateral damage.

[SPEAKER_02]: And instead, they obliterated the populace.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we're also, come, one hundred percent, zero percent success on [SPEAKER_02]: getting the people back, because everybody dies.

[SPEAKER_02]: They get nothing from that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they get wrecked.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not only do they lose, they got duped, and all loyal imperial citizens, zero of them were saved.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we lost every single piece.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it was just a devastating loss.

[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't just a, hey, we lost a hard fought battle.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, you got shellacked.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he lost and you gained no objectives were achieved in this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what I will laugh about is what happens next.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what I'm going to tell you next is Canon.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope you'll appreciate how much GW loves the Ultramarines.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they had this moment of failure.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of the pieces of Ultraman Legion begin to endeavor for more and more combat.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to show off that they're not a failure.

[SPEAKER_01]: There was success.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in this period of time, they start winning conflict after conflict after conflict and effort to prove their worthiness.

[SPEAKER_01]: They actually was almost better for the impact.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, post this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was also, it weren't just winning like brutal battles.

[SPEAKER_02]: They were winning in the debate club, because more people under imperial decree than anybody else in this time, and they were doing it by diplomacy and the show of force is opposed to the battle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's that they were amazing, but they were sad.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they were also sad because at this stage, other primaries have been discovered and theirs hadn't yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, as if every one of these cast we've done, you guys know we're doing now, now we're going to jump over to Gilliman Gilliman Gilliman Gilliman Gilliman Gilliman.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try and avoid getting the papers here as I start covering Gilliman.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just a second, I will stop calling him Bobby G and I will refer to him as Roboot Gilliman.

[SPEAKER_01]: Reboot, hey.

[SPEAKER_02]: Reboot, hey.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gilliman.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll cover that name in a second, guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to let that one pass.

[SPEAKER_01]: But like all primarks, Gilliman was stolen while in his gestation tube and warped across the galaxy and effort to be tempted by chaos.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this next bit here is my opinion, but I think I'm right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Gilliman was tempted with success and superiority.

[SPEAKER_01]: He given the chance to show how good a ruler he was, the chaos as viewpoints, he would therefore not respect or cow tout to the emperor who's kind of a jackass of a being honest.

[SPEAKER_01]: formatting dissent within him and then turning him against the Emperor, which was a nice plan, but Rabutei Gilliman is Britain talking about Rabutei Gilliman, guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be a traitor, but he's not falling for your tricks.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not that vain.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the story of verbote is actually, and McCregg is kind of interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: So as a child, he sent to a McCregg, which is on the eastern fringe of the galaxy, also as the right side of the galaxy.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the right side.

[SPEAKER_01]: So McCregg is the capital world in a star system with a decaying star, which that decaying star matters a lot more later, not initially.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's important about it is that they did pretty well through the dark Asian technology.

[SPEAKER_01]: They retained.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Body G got sent to a pretty awesome, not just world, but full system that's still creating with one another.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bobby G's set up wasn't that bad.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm willing to admit he may have this is, yeah, I might be rooting for the trust fund, baby.

[SPEAKER_02]: He did so well with Daddy's money.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was a hard time that I only had two Mercedes.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the no, it's anchor man too, where the guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I took the hundred million dollars from my father and after five years of hard work and toil, it's a hundred and what, yeah, a hundred and one million dollars.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after a quick break.

[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, let me enjoy my Barbie J.

So McRag as a system still has warp travel ships available to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they've been trading across the whole area.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're basically a mini-imperant.

[SPEAKER_01]: And McCregg is run by what is I would describe as a post Magna Carta England in that you had a ruler called a console who shared his power amongst nobility class and then beneath them with no power to speak of whatsoever was everybody else.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not quite Magna Carta king, but close when I can think of.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the story of Gilliman is good, but also a little hilarious in the way GW handles it, because they just randomly do stuff and they're like, oh yeah, and then that's normal.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the first thing I start off with is a bunch of hunters are in the forest that come across his capsule.

[SPEAKER_01]: And inside it, they find a beautiful baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: GW's words, by the way, beautiful baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have a child.

[SPEAKER_01]: I, my friends have children, I have nephews, I have nieces, I have all these, they're not beautiful men.

[SPEAKER_02]: All I'm saying in my mind, it was like you showed up like boss baby in the suit with a brief case.

[SPEAKER_01]: In my vote, so then they take the baby to the front of the console of McRag named Connor, which has spelled incorrectly.

[SPEAKER_01]: K-O-N-O-R, don't know why, but Connor, Gilman is his last name.

[SPEAKER_01]: And who, I guess, had been having dreams about the Emperor, not like he had no the Emperor, but dreams about it, which again, you can read that however you want, you can read it the way GW wrote it, which is a [SPEAKER_01]: foreshadow of events and important thing was happening, or you can laugh and think of some more hilarious ways you can be dreaming of the emperor and just enjoy it, because that's of course what my weird brain did.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, upon looking at this very beautiful baby, Connor adopts him as his son, in which something GW writes a matter not uncommon for their culture.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like how I would find babies in the woods.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, apparently it's common enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: In the culture of the people of McCregg, if you find a random baby in the woods, you adopt it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It can be fair.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's better than what they did on ball, which was murder at the brand of baby you find.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're better people, but still weird.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and he needs him, Rabutee, because now this way we have a mispelled Connor and a messed up version of Robert.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, let's talk about the fact that Bobby G makes some pretty good gains in the first couple of days.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is hilarious.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the next piece of it at ten years old, Gilliman runs out of things to do because he's read every book and learned everything that there is to know in all of McCreck.

[SPEAKER_01]: He and memorized all of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So at that point, they put him in charge of the military.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's ten.

[SPEAKER_02]: He gets just like, hey, what's the next best thing for you to do?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you just run the military, man?

[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is ten and gigantic because he's a pretty- Yeah, I did see a funny meme the other day where it was a picture from some like eighties side.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we were with a child's eleven feet tall and they were like, look, a primarque.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's basically what this was.

[SPEAKER_01]: To be fair and also, I think the primarque's had ten may have been shaving.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it gets, let's, let's call it spade a spade here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gilliman takes set military and he goes to the north of McCregg where there were outcasts.

[SPEAKER_01]: And these outcasts were reading and pillaging the quote civilized lands of McCregg.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they had resisted all prior campaigns in the area to quote them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah, the people who still had space travel and weapons from the Golden Age of Technology couldn't handle rebels in the mountain.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like this writing on this.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Dawn, let's talk about what happens though.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, part of school.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Pockers them, but quote, I'm doing air quotes, even though no one gives you me.

[SPEAKER_02]: They won their respect.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to bring it back to if a ten year old shows up and pummel's everybody.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have to give him some props.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to get my respect man.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also heed up by a child.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I sort of point out, you know what no one else did.

[SPEAKER_01]: None of the other primarks did this.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of us that primarks, oh, I conquered the area.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gilman went up to the north with an army and came back with a larger army.

[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now the truth is, what he ended up doing is really cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is why Gilliman is actually awesome.

[SPEAKER_01]: So when he got up there, he challenged the leader of the rebels to a duel.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in the entire duel, he never attacked.

[SPEAKER_01]: He just dodged until the leader fell over with exhaustion.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then after he's lying there, exhausted, Gilliman presents him with a gift.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the gift is, Gilliman learned in all of his reading that the reason the rebels were upset was that the nobles of McCregg had stolen some sacred artifact.

[SPEAKER_01]: They never say what it is, but some sacred artifact from those particular people.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he brought it with them and he handed it over to them as a way as a piece offering.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to point out, go ahead.

[SPEAKER_01]: But this was written by British people, which is either incredibly self-aware or incredibly ironic.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what British Museum and get one of your things back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's also Cleopatra.

[SPEAKER_01]: They have Cleopatra.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have to give.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, talk you about getting beat up by Ted your all because he just weighs and doesn't do anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just doesn't let him hit him.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't need to do that though.

[SPEAKER_02]: He could have led with the clip.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he could open it with, I brought you something.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will challenge you to a do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, one of you didn't have to do any of these things.

[SPEAKER_02]: He just made that guy sad.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then when, oh, yeah, I brought this to come on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, yes, but also what was the whole dual thing for man?

[SPEAKER_01]: Not good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why did you have to?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, yeah, because he didn't run off all his friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't occur to me to just send that in front of all of his friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody just makes everyone go so our leaders kind of a bitch.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, remember the time that I later got beat up by a ten-year-old?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, that's going to...

Couldn't land a blowout him and then it looked like the guy got bored.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we, oh yeah, here, I feel bad for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here's how leaders spent so much time missing, punching a ten-year-old that he fell over with exhaustion.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what he may be.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he shouldn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess it doesn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's a definite guarantee that you're like, whoever you say is our new leader is our new leader, because this dude is for sure out.

[SPEAKER_01]: At that point, Gilman goes back to the capital of McCregg, and upon getting back to the capital, he finds it besieged from within.

[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out, one of the other consoles, to his father, had betrayed him, was leading a coup.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of details in this coup.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a drunken mob at one point.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, I don't love it, I'll be.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I like the bit that they get to.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, Galen, who was a member of the McCregnobility, and it turns out the nobility had a pretty good life until Gilliman's data arrived, because McCregn was built on slave labor.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Connor, Gilliman, wanted to get rid of all the slaves and wanted to make the people equals.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this was sentiment shared by Gilliman.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this other guy, Galen, felt differently.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this, by the way, goes real fast in the books, but it's just funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gilliman and his army go to the capital.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hold on, because you're going to tell Gilabin and the guys, and his group put down the rebellion, which is a huge understatement because they strung all the rebels up in the streets.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as separated them because again, like any good Excel spreadsheets proper spacing between them, I just hung them all from the streets.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gilliman arrives to run solo, which believes in her when you're a prime mark where these are all regular people.

[SPEAKER_01]: runs solo to the capital which is actually in ruins and he pulls through the ruins and finds his dying father the plot this is so just dramatic of a scene and his father on his dying breath and by breath it's like a paragraph he gives out details to Gilliman who betrayed him why he betrayed him who the assassin was that tried to kill him and all these things Shakespeare on this he does the whole [SPEAKER_02]: avenge me but also make everything better for the populists of a crag.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but also remember to avenge me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to go back to that one one more time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Gilman goes full early robes pier, not late, or middle robes pier, but early robes pier, and just wreck shop.

[SPEAKER_01]: He immediately grabs all of the nobles, executes all of them, takes all the inherited titles, all their positions, and redistributes it throughout the entire populace, and turns McCregg into a meritocracy, or Brad, as the macho man would say, re-rides into the top.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is a sea.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's the top.

[SPEAKER_01]: A sea.

[SPEAKER_01]: He builds what I would like to call the macho man.

[SPEAKER_01]: Society.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not the YMCA version or ability version.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, shortly after this, the emperor arrives in the system but on another planet.

[SPEAKER_01]: And on this planet, he hears all the stories of what's happened on the Craig about how this, it orphaned from the woods.

[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, this is a bunch of orphans from the woods.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the theme throughout the primarx has turned his entire planet around, and the Emperor is super excited, and heads over to McCray to go pick up his son.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the gods of chaos throw one last ditch effort in trying to mess this system up, and the Emperor gets stuck in a war storm for five years.

[SPEAKER_01]: or at least five years real time, who knows about the war.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when he arrives, yeah, Gilliman has now been in charge for five years.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Gilliman is on a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's now completely taking over, rewritten the laws of the entire sector, which he is now, basically, he is the emperor of this.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the emperor of what becomes known as Ultramar.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it completely changed everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: The emperor shows up to the system that is working.

[SPEAKER_02]: If anything, no one was more successful before the emperor found them then.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not even close.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ultramar is hands down the most successful.

[SPEAKER_01]: region in the galaxy at this stage.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, they might still be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: They've been attacked a bunch of times, but I think probably still is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just he comes and he finds that he's got things running on clockwork because if anything that you don't like about Bobby G, you know what happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: Things show up on time.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're running like a [SPEAKER_02]: find oil machine.

[SPEAKER_02]: And also he's got wild.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have to say he has fairness in here.

[SPEAKER_01]: People are treated.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the people are, the people are, are doing, are they're doing great.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would also argue, joining the Imperiums, the worst thing ever happened to Ultra Mark.

[SPEAKER_02]: before the Emperor showed up, Ultramar was a pretty great place for everyone and then they got mobilized for war and things did not.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's still better.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's still better than all the other recruiting world.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: But one of those worlds is Necromania.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was saying this system now is not great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even with all his success, as soon as Gilman meets the Emperor, he immediately declares his fieldy to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Which, by the way, it occurred to us right in this, it's really weird to think to do when you meet your dad.

[SPEAKER_01]: See, the first time you meet your dad, if you've never met your dad, the first thing you do when you meet him is declare fields he to him, that's probably why you'd never met your dad before and you should probably not ever meet him again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just good life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I do the fact that they go through the fact that Bobby G ran through a million different potentials of this and then decided that he was worthy of his field, the aftery ran through everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just in that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you analyze the Emperor.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the Emperor looks at Gilman and just goes here and gives him the thirteenth legion.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes, all right, do stuff with this.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Gilman does stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite part of really this whole thing and Brad and I're going to fight now.

[SPEAKER_01]: is deal with it is true.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think Brad's wrong about Vulcan being the only good guy in Forty Kay for two reasons.

[SPEAKER_01]: One, I think Gilliman is a lawful good paladin and second, I don't think Vulcan is because Vulcan committed a war crime and Gilliman didn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Kiliman has done a lot of stuff to get really did he get angry and burned entire planet full of people?

[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody has what sectors to make sure that for the greater good basically.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is for the greater good but not because that sector made him angry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they should have talked so much shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that Vulcan was sorry afterwards, but it is my change his life around after it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, neat.

[SPEAKER_01]: So lots of people had to do that when they were on death row in prison.

[SPEAKER_01]: They still murdered all those people.

[SPEAKER_02]: No one was going to testify against him.

[SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't anybody left there.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is actually a fair point.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot of evidence there.

[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, he's not going to jail anytime soon.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just, yeah, my opinion is I think Gilliman is possibly the goodest guy in the galaxy or the imperialist.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's the most goodiest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the goodest guy because he's not good.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just the goodest.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's the most important.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would say that he would, if you're going to line it, he could be a lawful good paladin that has the parentheses neutral afterwards, because he's willing to do what has to be done to save the most amount of people.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's very pragmatic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's lawful because he's following the law of [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you law, but I think he probably skews.

[SPEAKER_02]: The longer he goes, the more he goes towards neutrality, because sometimes, you got to make a planet not exist anymore, so the ternons don't get more supplies.

[SPEAKER_02]: Those are things that Bobby G has done.

[SPEAKER_01]: But he did evacuate most of those planets whenever possible.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like the key word would be most.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, by the way, back to Gilmour-Thirteenth Legion.

[SPEAKER_01]: They set out to the galaxy and not simply to conquer it, but to actually increase the size and scope of the Imperium through efficiency and planning.

[SPEAKER_01]: Turmar, the system, is turned into a recruiting world, which immediately starts pouring recruits into the Ultramarines, more so than any other Legion, more on that later, guys, because maybe a little bump they got there.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what's important is as the Ultramarines conquered new plants and systems, they copied the Ultramar system.

[SPEAKER_01]: Planets were not added to the fold and told, all right, figure it out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think this, I'm going to give it my big deal for the cast on this one.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is the biggest deal about early Ultramarines because they didn't conquer, roll out and throw random Ted, the Imperial governor and say figure it out.

[SPEAKER_02]: they made new ultramars everywhere they went, they rebuilt, they structured, they showed them, they added technology, they added, they immediately gave them trade routes.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the big things they write about is they add them to existing trade that's already happening.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you have all of the goods, all of the goods food, everything that you would need [SPEAKER_02]: And they show you how to use it before they leave.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're so efficient about this that they actually don't lose time and conquering new worlds, even though they're doing this.

[SPEAKER_02]: For instance, you go into Lorgar, who kept setting up idols to the emperor, and he got in trouble because he was so slow and continuing the crusade.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know the altruists did quick.

[SPEAKER_01]: Another one that I do want to point out that he did was think it's important is he did enact a lot of regime change.

[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gilman and the Ultraman's got to a planet where they found much like what was going on in the Craig, where we had planetary governors or rulers who were using slades, who were doing something like that, they would just remove them, which is why I think one of the many reasons when Gilman arrived back on Tara in like M.

Forty-One, the lords of Tara were not thrilled to see him, because he has kind of a history of people like them.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're abusing the people underneath you, you're about to get punished into the sun.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens is over the remainder of this great crusade, the Ultraman's end up conquering more worlds than any other Legion by a wide margin, and it's because Kilman was so skilled at war, but also knew that it had a time and a place.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas all of his brothers except for maybe Magnus, [SPEAKER_01]: favor these displays of might, Gilman knew that conflict just bred more conflict.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, one of the biggest things about this, the systems that the Ultramarine's conquered stayed conquered and loyal and wildly better percentage than any other Legion because he set that groundwork.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you could say the Ultramarine's reporting, but whatever, they do get the job done and they keep it done.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a thing because we say get the job done.

[SPEAKER_01]: The implications.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they achieved it.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, they got the job done and got all stars five star reviews.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to have been conquered by the old.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the populace loves the ultra marines when they leave for and this was most of the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is because Gilman really did avoid conflict unless he was necessary.

[SPEAKER_01]: He had a great line where he said, the loss of each legionary weakened the whole of the legion.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he really did only use conflict when he had to use conflict.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so he pulled to Brad's point, all these bloodless victories.

[SPEAKER_01]: So these worlds are just coming over, joining the Imperium.

[SPEAKER_01]: And because of what the Ultramarines do, they don't have to spend as much time now on [SPEAKER_01]: war, they now spend their entire time on setting the world up for success to his bread's point earlier.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're still off world pretty quickly, but they leave a world that's prosperous, safe, and growing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is kind of what ends up happening is words starts to spread.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have to show up like some of the other regions where they have the snarling world leaders with them.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't listen, I'm going to let them down in the planet.

[SPEAKER_01]: They just basically say, hey, here's a video of the last seven planets we went basically, but they're references.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here are references of prior systems we've conquered.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here's my yuppers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Look at all these.

[SPEAKER_01]: Five stars.

[SPEAKER_01]: No bots.

[SPEAKER_01]: No bots.

[SPEAKER_01]: Five stars.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's really good at this.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I do think the fact that [SPEAKER_02]: While Bobby G's super power is he's effectively the best tactical bureaucrat in the galaxy, but it does make it so he also didn't have the same I need to show dad how awesome I was because he's I don't think he's a big of a true believer is Dorn like Dorn for instance was a believer in the appearance of doctrine [SPEAKER_02]: I think Bobby G really wanted to make the Imperium work.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is how it was going to be the best.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, after that our Cypher cast, I think Bobby G has more aligned with Cypher than really most anyone else worked.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bobby G wanted humanity to succeed.

[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted people to do well.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he cared about.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he saw within the emperor a way to make that happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: whereas I think most other primarcs saw humanity as weak.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Gillian probably still does, but he views it as a protect like we cover the night cast and some of that nobility.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even the lion has this in him as well to appoint all of these a grouch.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that's his job.

[SPEAKER_02]: He feels that it's his job, but he looks at it in a grander's way, which is, I'm in charge of all of humanity.

[SPEAKER_01]: How am I going to make all of humanity work?

[SPEAKER_01]: I want all of May to prosper, et cetera.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I will say one thing that we need to get out of the way, and this is the best place to do it is the Ultramarines are really large.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we talk about large, just for numbers sake, leading up to the Horace Heresy, the Ultramarines listed at a quarter million.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, two hundred and fifty thousand marines, not marines and support, not just marines.

[SPEAKER_01]: That puts them fifty thousand over second place, which is the Dark Angel.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, twenty five percent larger than the second largest.

[SPEAKER_01]: For reference, raven guard, death guard, salamanders, thousand sons, white scars were barely a third, the size of the ultramarines.

[SPEAKER_01]: The ultramarines themselves, I did some math.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was guys make up over eight percent of all space marines.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, how did they get this big?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I love this in the writing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it was hinted.

[SPEAKER_01]: It might have something to do with the two missing primaries.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this, by the way, is canon.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the emperor went into the galaxy as we said before, he had twenty full agents of space hundred thousand.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Each of these legions had a shared a gene seed with a yet to be discovered primar.

[SPEAKER_01]: Only eighteen of those primarks are heavy air quotes here discovered or I'll go with the word recovered.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably a better one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have no idea what happened to the two.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no writings on them, GW's never done anything with them.

[SPEAKER_01]: But given the power of a friend.

[SPEAKER_02]: And how did when you they'd list them though?

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what I want to point out is given the power of a primar.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they landed in the woods and got eaten by a wolf.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were most likely [SPEAKER_01]: destroyed by the emperor when he discovered them because they'd likely fall into chaos.

[SPEAKER_02]: Castle.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, again, chaos tried to corrupt all of them to different ways differently, but different trials on each one.

[SPEAKER_02]: They threw them.

[SPEAKER_02]: None of them went to somewhere.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, besides this, none of them went to somewhere super.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, there were challenges on McRag.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was no challenges.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is a.

Bobby G is.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have this.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have this is a baby of all time.

[SPEAKER_01]: This sweet-sixteen was you gonna do the Range Rover?

[SPEAKER_01]: Was you gonna do the BMW six series?

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a tough life for Bobby G.

I don't know why you're being so mean.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just be it.

[SPEAKER_01]: The two missing are most likely killed by Valdor, who spun side note in Constantine Valdor.

[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to murder all of the primarx, soon as they went missing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was his immediate thought of like...

Yeah, because he said they got to talk about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go, I got my knife, I'll be back in one after another.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also gonna kill Miles because of it too, so.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of murder.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fan, but he was like, well, this project went wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just kill them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I caused the Velder's hilarious if you read him right in the lore.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's horrible, but if you read him a certain way, it's funny.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, anyway, after disposing of the primarxi Emperor has a choice, and his choice was destroy the entire legions, but that feels kind of like a bit of a waste, because these are all terren born with just a little bit of other guy's gene seed.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so he decides to do something that is not fanfiction.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is in the books.

[SPEAKER_01]: He folds him into the ultramarons.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a few different books.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's hidden in, but basically they use the guise of the ultramar, more providing endless recruits as a cover story.

[SPEAKER_01]: But in reality, they were actually folded in.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a conversations between Magnus and Lorgar.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a conversation between Doran and Malcolm, or these are in separate books.

[SPEAKER_01]: where the emperor has wiped from their memories, the actual primarx themselves, but they know little bits and pieces.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of comments made through a few different books about the incredible size of the author.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they talk about the fact that one of the comments is one of the times when the altrimines take huge losses, but they still have two hundred and two hundred thousand altrimines.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, wait a minute, did they just take horrific losses here?

[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, but whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the last bit we're going to cover on the cast is going back to the loss earlier with the loss of the Assyrians.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we foreshadow, we never foreshadow that far.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the ultimate rings had proven themselves great conquerors of human settlements time and time over.

[SPEAKER_01]: Bloodless campaigns, etc.

[SPEAKER_01]: But Ultramar does also sit on the eastern right side of the galaxy.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is an area that the Eldar worked that prevalent in, which means there's a lot of pretty advanced Xenos out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: As a result, we're because we spent a lot of time talking about how good the Ultramarians are at bringing plants into the fold.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were also really good at killing Xenos.

[SPEAKER_01]: They were masters of tactical warfare.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what they were really good at is actually utilizing adaptive warfare.

[SPEAKER_01]: So some people were going to lightning drop assaults, space wolves, other protracted seages, covert ops, obviously, whatever you want to call what the world leaders do is, but they all had their thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: The ultramarines were masters of adapting their tactics midway through.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they would go in with a great battle plan that nine, nine percent of the time would work.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if they didn't, they would take them, but I see a moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're in milliseconds here, diagnose why it's not working.

[SPEAKER_01]: Find the weakest in the enemy counterattack.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's always with the Ultramarines.

[SPEAKER_02]: In the game, I just want to throw this in for the game, because Ultramarines were the only people that used to be able to combat squad, because they could adapt their tactics.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was the whole thing that they were adapting to, and whatever they saw in the battlefield.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so it happens as the Ultramarines.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is a really great tactic when you're going up against Orcs and the endlessly unnamed species of the galaxy, because they don't exist anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to the Ultramarines.

[SPEAKER_01]: But upon taking over the Legion, Gilliman had read about what happened with those Cybrids.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gilliman didn't really care about the lost honor of his chapter because they more than earned it back at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was more concerned about [SPEAKER_01]: these cyberites because they he decided they decided he decided they presented a massive threat to humanity.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is like EG is neutral because when Bobby G decides somebody could do bad in the future he decides they no longer need to exist or just what he does here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it also cut me.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not wrong, but yeah, so just seen.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, so he's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to win this one.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's better than Vulcan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just deal with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's not as cool as Vulcan.

[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I use.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so with the whole time that the Ultramarians are spreading through the galaxy, time in the same way that Dark Angels were always looking for evidence of the fallen, Gilliman was always on the lookout for the Oceirian.

[SPEAKER_01]: He'd find hints of their existence, but the trails had all gone cold.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a rogue trader, it's about massacres or large disappearances.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rebellions on entire planets are just where everyone's wiped out to a man.

[SPEAKER_01]: All of it, but they were always poached.

[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't find anything with those Syrians location.

[SPEAKER_01]: until eight ninety nine of M-thirty.

[SPEAKER_01]: In eight ninety nine of M-thirty, Gillam and the Ultraman's get word that the twelfth Legion is in trouble.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, it's the twelfth legion, pre-angrons.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's still the warhouse.

[SPEAKER_02]: And also, again, primarclists.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they're all the legions just operate better once they get their primer.

[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gilman heads the system and finds this entire area within the scene of destruction.

[SPEAKER_01]: The space is littered with debris from destroyed craft.

[SPEAKER_01]: They go planet side and recover the warhounds.

[SPEAKER_01]: Few of them were left of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like talking about what happened here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they find out the warhounds had been sent to a region to engage in workforce.

[SPEAKER_01]: While fighting the orcs, this other Xenos appeared in the system with spinning our glass, spinning our glass ships.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously it's the Ocearians.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Ocearians then actually thralled these orcs that the warhounds were fighting against.

[SPEAKER_02]: It shows you that they're pretty [SPEAKER_02]: bad ass psychers at this point in time to just to take over the Yorkshire.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they turn the orcs against the warhounds while the same time going down to the human colony that was there and actually in thralling them.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's area by the most called the yurodice terminal for the record.

[SPEAKER_01]: However, while they were doing this, a bunch of other works show up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Having sensed a battle, the Glorty and Empire, because they were led by the Warboss, Glorty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because why not, Glorty?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, by the way, are still a playable faction in modern forty-k.

[SPEAKER_01]: They are a free-boota fleet.

[SPEAKER_01]: But they still do exist.

[SPEAKER_01]: The glorts upon arrival because there's a lot more of them, or able to resist the psychic powers of the ocereons.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then just decide, orcs are going to orc.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a fight to be had.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're having the fight.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the glorts attack the ocereon thrall dorks plus the ocereons plus the planet.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now you've got this whole sector is on fire.

[SPEAKER_02]: This part is dumb because the guy that's the ultimate tactical mind decides that he doesn't need reinforcements because he needs to have his legion redeem themselves on crushing them.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like no, he would sure for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, for you guys can come along because it would be great to have reinforcements.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, Gilman refuses the offer of the warhounds to join them and says, no, we're gonna do this solo.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I like what he does next.

[SPEAKER_01]: He come, Gilman takes him a moment and surveys the battlefield and surveys the situation and realizes pretty quickly that the only way to achieve victory against the ocerean is to do a head on fast assault.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he realizes this because of what he's looking at, but also it happened last and it fought the ocerean.

[SPEAKER_01]: where the Osirians just will throw endless shaft at you.

[SPEAKER_01]: And while you're trying to chew your way and fight through that shaft, their capital ships, by the way, are larger than the imperialists.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they also, their weaponry was said to be more powerful from a distance.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it would easily pick the ultimate fleet apart over time.

[SPEAKER_01]: So instead, he decides to ignore all of the orcs, all of the throld humans, and just focus on attacking the Osirians.

[SPEAKER_01]: This all, by the way, is from the Black Library book Tempest Battle of Pretty Epic, although it's actually not that many pages, but it's still pretty cool, fight.

[SPEAKER_02]: As usual, I was going to try to do it from memory as opposed to the notes that we have right in front of me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in front of us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: So the Ultra Marines detect your Syrian ships behind a bunch of organ imperial chaff, and they just be line at them.

[SPEAKER_01]: When I say B-line at them, I don't mean it gaves them in naval warfare.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they drove up next to them and fired assault rams into them.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the assault rams are the thing, if you've seen a starties on YouTube, which if you haven't, go look that up.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's absolutely incredible.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's basically a torpedo full of space marines that you shoot into a ship.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in the ship, it opens.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the space marines get out immediately shooting at everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a really classic space marine tactic.

[SPEAKER_01]: The enter the vessel with a combination of regular marines behind Terminator marines.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's our so much cooler in the world of the era of the game, but especially when you're talking about boarding missions, because Terminator's mop the floor with regular people, in regular war, regular space means they mop the board with them from floor with them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And their tactic is amazing because they're pushing forward, pushing forward, but the entire time they're going, they're slamming meltabombs, which is just ruining the ship, so they're destroying the parts of the ship as they're continuing on.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they basically do this until they get to a point either the bridge of the ship or they just put up melted bombs down that the ship begins to implode at which point they teleport or just get picked up and go back.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they start doing this to the entire ocean fleet pulling the ships down.

[SPEAKER_01]: until the capital ship of the Ocearian fleet comes into view, lashing out with its macro weapons and just wrecking some ships.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, at the same time, this thing arrives, a bunch of enthralled orcs and humans are hurdling themselves at the ultramarades.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as thick as these hordes of attackers are, they're not as thick as Gilliman's plot armor.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing that you wrote this entire thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because men, so Gilliman himself leads the assault in the capital ship.

[SPEAKER_01]: And with his retinue, I'm getting that of terminators and what is at this moment, the most powerful psycho in the Legion, told me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because every now and then, G&W has to write a name really quickly and just go screw it, I'll use an old one.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if he means told me the Greek or told me the Roman.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure it's a lot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what the Ultra Reigns are based on.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can tell you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me the Greek was with Alexander the Greek.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why told me that the Roman was a mathematician.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the Cycle.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably, he's a combo.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just be honest.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's yet that I met.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, by the way, did I mention John was raised in the classics?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's really subtle, isn't it?

[SPEAKER_01]: It is useful now.

[SPEAKER_01]: But just God, I was a nerd as a child.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm a nerd as an adult.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who am I kidding?

[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a lower cast.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're much, nothing changed.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just got cooler to be this nerdy.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's really all it changed.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, universe.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, as Gilman is crew, passing the inner sanctum, they find the king of those series in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, because we have plot to do here, he's three times the size of Gilman and possessing the psychic powers that would challenge Magnus rises up to kill Gilman and the defenders.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this next bit is written epic, but of course, I write it with my silly brain, someone give you both.

[SPEAKER_02]: The silly brain.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love the fact that he's got to tell me with him.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, is this going to be an epic battle between Gilliman and the Osiria King?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but I also have to have this plot armor guy next to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't just get wrecked by his psychics.

[SPEAKER_02]: Am I supposed to do anything else but make it so you can fight him?

[SPEAKER_02]: Nah, things are going to go terrible for you, but yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to make some references here that I hope you guys get.

[SPEAKER_01]: So as soon as you're searing King reaches out, all the turnier is basically fall over.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're incapacitated by psychic powers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Only Gilliman and Polymer are standing there to fight it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Call me using all of his psychic mic to push back the power around the Oceirian King so that Gilliman then charges forward with Polymeda fight the King.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think when they wrote this, the best visual I can give you is in the sanctioned cycle and secret level where he pops out of the thing to defend Titus and the guys against the demon.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I envision this as the show the tick with Arthur, with always stuck behind the tick, which works on two levels.

[SPEAKER_01]: One, I'm accurate and two, the tick's blue.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this works twice.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if you haven't seen the tick, I want to say it's good, but I haven't seen it in a very long time, but I remember laughing at it quite a bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so the battle goes good and then bad and then Gilliam and gets really angry because it's not going well and cuts all the limbs off the ocerean king and pulls its glowing brain out of its skull frozen the ground and stomps on it with his boot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Creating.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, back on this killing told me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, let's say it kills told me.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's only dice.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you go, hey, man.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, was your only point to be here just so you could protect me?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically, tell me is the South Park Kenny of the episode.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the best part is if this book, the book is code don't do it wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: In the fight school, but it a very few short pages, Gilliman's like, oh, man, I'm going to defeat it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, like, what can I possibly do to win this fight?

[SPEAKER_02]: And then he just chops off all his limbs and rips his brain out.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, well, I guess you could do that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that seems to be the effective system.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as it happens, by the way, this shuts down all the thralls.

[SPEAKER_01]: So like, [SPEAKER_01]: the whole rebellion ends right here and there, and all of those Syrians are killed.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so at this point, the important part of this battle, though, is it's after this battle from a plot and lore standpoint.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is when they start running the Omega crest on their armor, because Gilman's viewpoint is this battle that they'd want had proven their superiority, and therefore they will wear the Omega, which is what we see on every single ultramarine model to this day.

[SPEAKER_01]: with that we're going to break because next week we're going to pick it up from there and the lead up to the heresy, namely, Gilliman and Lord are not being best of friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, Gilliman, I'm going to call this out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gilliman is an amazing judge of character, because he was friends with none of the guys go to chaos except for Horace.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a big left turn.

[SPEAKER_01]: And severely disliked all of them, actually.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he was his best friends.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're with Dorn, San Guinius, the Lion.

[SPEAKER_01]: He had a pretty solid judge of character.

[SPEAKER_01]: Have I mentioned I like Gilliman a lot?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's not.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know what the best part is?

[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't like Lord Gar, which makes him have at least four points for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, him and Lord.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was just like, yeah, that guy sucks.

[SPEAKER_01]: So much.

[SPEAKER_01]: So next week, we're going to take the Ultramarines from pre-Harracy.

[SPEAKER_01]: They don't do a lot in the Harracy.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's some key battles in the Harracy, but obviously they're not there for the end.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's some of that stuff in there, but then we'll probably, I think the next one will get to them a little bit post-Herosy.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll see kind of where we go from there guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's the issue with doing ultra marines as we had to do them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I needed this not to have this not be twenty casks because we'd all have to get the vote in and a bunch of other stuff, but we probably will, we'll figure out how we go along.

[SPEAKER_01]: But with that until next week, this has been John Barsade and Brad Chester.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: See you guys then.