Fucker.

What's white but brown and gay all over?

If you answered me to that question, you'd be correct.

When I'm not sitting at home testing the very limits of self tanning solutions, I'm steeped in my research of workout.

I'm now at season two, episode two, hot off the success of my industry shaking interview with Jackie Warner last week, it felt like the entire world wanted a piece of my visionary talents.

This week, I completely indulged in self care.

I overdid it.

I got a Samon sperm facial.

I went onto groupon and bought a one hour session inside an oxygenated hyperbaric chamber.

I got botox, I got a chemical peel, I got a massage, and I went up the street to the Contract Therapy studio, where I engaged in cold plunges and infrared saunas in my quest to center myself.

I finally realized that the thing I needed most was right within my grasp, my gay, desperate grasp.

All I needed was a walk in the park, quite literally, with one of my best good judies, who also knows his way around the iconic annals of Bravo history.

One of my favorite people in the world Sexy Unique podcast co host and my Fire Island housemate Carry O'Donnell.

We sat down in a West Hollywood park, surrounded by the ghosts of workout past.

And while I don't have a lot of footage to edit into this cut, just know we were surrounded by sweaty, hot, pulsating slabs of decadence, supple man meat doing workouts on the jungle gym and the monkey bars right in front of us.

The entire time we recorded this podcast.

It was distracting, it was erotic, it was satisfying, it was everything.

I hope you enjoyed this chat, this vulnerable heart to heart alongside a healthy, full second Bush.

Do you know that like two of the guys are Dad, Yes, one of them, because I don't.

I don't know.

I'm trying to know.

I know, Doug.

Guys take these off?

Do you want some sunscreen?

Do I need to?

Okay?

Hi?

Hi, this is our house, terrorists, our backyard.

I've had John over.

Made some pancakes, had some morning meditation cheers.

Where are we, carry O'Donnell from Sexy Unique Podcasts?

Where where in the heart of West Hollywood.

We're at the park right where they did Pride.

Yes, they do the concert.

I saw Kylie Minogue right here last year.

It's kind of crazy, though, like how many people fit.

It looks bigger, I know, do you know what I mean?

Well, I think it looks smaller and I was shocked in but it looks bigger.

It looks bigger when they're doing the concepts and then now it's like this looks like you can never fit people.

It's very quaint.

We're like in a little village.

There's the abbey, the chapel.

Yeah, remember what was when did you move to.

La twenty seventeen?

Okay, because there the abbey.

Back in the heyday, there was a place right next to it that was like only lesbian for a while and called truck truck stop or like trucker it was like lesbian.

There was a place, my favorite bar and we hoo was.

Called Palms the Palms.

It was a lesbian video bar, just like in the middle of Santa Monica Boulevard, way down there, like not in the main strip, and it was like desolate and they're like kind of a little bit.

Yeah, I was just listening to Sexy Unique podcasts.

Thank you.

Yeah, you guys were recapping Bring Her Back, which we saw together, Yes, which.

Was so good.

It was so good.

It was so crazy that night that we went.

That was a Tuesday.

Didn't it feel like a Sunday?

Huh?

When I was driving home, I think it's maybe because we left.

When we left, it was still light out.

Yeah.

I love that though.

No, I do too, but I'm not.

I'm like, every time it's spring again or summer, I'm like, what.

Is this, Well, this is June gloom and it's really bothersome, really gloom.

I love gloom and I love I love it rainy in l A.

I don't like it when it's Sunday all the time, but this is like an in between that I don't love.

It's it's very appropriate for what's happening in our city right now.

Yeah, we're being occupied by the military.

I mean, this is gonna upload tomorrow hopefully if we survive the night.

But like, yeah, marsh it's not martial lots, No, they just they're threatening it.

They've well, they've they've sent in the National Guard that we have company, and.

Then they're threatening the Marines.

Oh yeah, there's a guy approaching to do some pull ups and chin ups.

Yeah, they're threatening to bring in the Marines, which is so good.

I don't need the Marines.

We don't need them here paid had six.

It's that slur.

Yeah.

If you're watching this and you don't live in LA, just know that, like we're okay.

People are protesting, yeahfully, and it's a it's our American right to do so.

It is okay.

I made some notes.

Okay, good, Okay.

So you never watched Workout tonight?

I can never.

I literally, I well, I saw it when you announced show Pony.

I saw that you were recapping it, so I like, I looked it up, but I didn't watch.

What did you know of it from just observing the world.

Well, we're probably young.

You're probably high school.

It was yeah, or.

Two and seven.

So when I came out, I was like a junior in high school.

Were you gay?

No?

Okay, I was.

I went to my old boys school.

By the way, I was a swimmer.

I fucked somebody who was on your swim team a few weeks ago in New York.

Who say, three names?

What's my high school?

Huh?

He knew you?

Is that his name?

Bleep this out?

Let me, let's take this out.

This is crazy.

Yeah, we were hooking up and he was like, yeah, I know, Carrie.

I was like, what, Yeah, bad news.

No, he's like one of he's like my favorite person for my high school.

He's so sweet.

Oh my god, okay, be my best friend from high school.

Okay.

I couldn't tell by what he was saying if if y'all were tight, or if he just kind of knew you.

No, he like came to my wedding.

Oh my god, Well he's fucking hot.

I'm gonna like totally bust his chops.

For those you should Yeah you should.

I hope so well he will know.

Well what are we saying?

Like we've said he's hot, he's the greatest.

He's an incredible singer.

Have you heard him saying you're welcome.

I don't think I'm a great actor.

He's he's like a renaissance man.

Yeah, I'm dead.

We'll talk about this later.

Okay.

So you were gay, but not like I was, like I was like unconsciously gay.

Like you weren't watching TV seeing Jackie Warner and being like, oh my god, a lesbian I can't wait to up and but no.

It was more it was very late and that my all boys school.

It was like you had to say, dude, oh, bro, I was a captain of swim team.

Yeah, that's so hot.

Though she's also really gay.

If there's a sport that's a little gay, it's kind of like, even though we knew a lot of the swimmers were gay, it was like they should be gay.

Yeah, swimming's an elegant sport.

It is elegant.

It was more like I knew something was coming, but I didn't martial law.

Martial law, but I didn't know what.

I had this sense of dread of like yeah, yeah, which is sounds bad because gay isn't dread obviously, but no, I think we all had that.

But I was like, oh god, Like I was just like, I know, I'm not going to marry a woman.

I'm probably gonna be gay.

But I was like, but I can be straight, but I'm straight.

That was that was literally me.

So you're thank you for the episode.

It's crazy, right.

It's absolutely insane.

Episode two.

Jackie was on my last episode.

I learned a lot from her.

She came on.

She was on my last episode.

It's pretty good.

You should watch for the visual.

Okay, it's pretty ethic.

She lives in Ohio.

What she got a DUI.

That's not why she moved, but I think it contributed.

She got douy.

She had lost a bunch of money, gained it back.

We lost a lot of money, and then yeah, she moved.

Does she is she thriving there?

I think she's thriving.

Does she e regret?

No?

Good?

No, she's She's a queen, She's a life coach.

I'm a queen.

We should probably all fucking move to Ohio.

I've been through it, and like she's a survivor.

We should all move to Michigan.

Why Michigan because it's apparently going to be the one of the best spots for climate change.

That's what I was reading that in Montana because of the Fresh Lake.

Yes, and if we get nuked, the the gas that's going to like what's it called, like the toxic fumes, the radiation.

Yeah, they're not going to like reach it as fast.

Like if we stay here, we're gone, No la is.

I mean, we need to leave.

We're basically in the tarpets right now, which could have erupted at any moment.

There's so many things.

I'm looking at the camera, there's so many things there's so many things that LA has going against it, I know, including me leaving the Faut.

Why don't you just move with me in the fall.

You're really moving.

Yes, there's a child that makes me so sad.

But why do you have to stay?

Why do you have to stay?

I think lately we've just been like the things working against us being here or seem to be greater than Yeah, but we both have to be here for work.

Well, in a month, oh, that's right, in a month, we will be in the pine.

We're going to there, We're going to the fire Island.

You're gonna be so happy, like you ever last year after we left and I was like, we're moving.

Yes, my job is there, and my kind of like sober circle is more engaged there like here, We're all like fine, but it just takes a long time to like see people like I've seen you twice in a week, which is shocking.

La.

Thank you for something to do a podcast on your Sunday morning.

By the way, I would do anything for you.

I love you.

I love you too.

No, I mean LA is a thing where you can like have like really some of your best or close friends you don't see, you only see like once a month.

By the time six pm rolls around, I have driven around town.

I have seen shocking displays of incompetence behind the wheel and anger and rage.

And by the time like its five or six, the last thing I want to do is get in my car and drive to go see your friend.

I just want to decompress.

It's a place of hiding.

I'm in a place of hiding here New York.

I I like my I got sober in New York.

Yeah, And I like what goes on there?

Yeah?

Better I tried to get I tried to get sober there and it didn't really work.

And I wasn't able to get sober sober until I moved here and I really leaned into like the la sobriety.

But all which is great, Well, there's a part of me that is very much like it brought us closer, you agents, and like in her child and like if I'm going to be like healthy and I want to go balls deep like hiking and infrared second hole, fourth.

Chamber, fourth chamber.

I wonder if, oh my god, I'm literally so liketh.

You're clutching your pearls.

Okay, well, so what you didn't see was Mimi, who is Jackie's toxic Brazilian ex.

Well, I saw her in their therapy.

This is like the they kind of ended the first episode each other.

They hate each other, but they hit each other.

Well, Mimi has an addiction to biting and pinching, okay, slapping, yeah, and like, but it's not an addiction.

Jackie is toxic and codependent and manipulative, but she's.

Never slapping people across the face.

No, No, there's a difference.

I think that that is.

I mean just in the like brief you know, ten second recap shots of them striking each other and biting, and then they're them and their therapy.

I was like, this relationship needs to end, and never happened again.

They said they had really hot sex, which you can tell it kind of does.

Of course, No, they had super incredible chemistry, but like they're just that's when you know.

It's the power of a female orgasm.

Yeah, no, they're like, but if it's that incandescent, it's unsustainable.

Have you ever been a couple therapy?

Yeah?

Really I have too.

Me and Andy went actually one time, Wow, and the therapist was like, John's right about everything.

And then we broke up.

Incredible.

We went during COVID.

You guys, from from the outside, it looks like you and Simon have like you have what I want a couple.

Yeah we have.

We have conflict and like we have, We've had to work.

I've had to work on a lot of shit.

But it looks like you know how to work through it.

Yeah, we're good.

We don't really like Jackie says, she feels unsafe.

She can't communicate her feelings.

You're like, Mimi is a snake about to attack.

The therapist is like, yeah, just break up.

I love.

The therapist is like she hated me.

Yeah.

She was like okay, so yeah, I'm you're wasting my time.

You're not going to come here.

And Mimi was non verbal.

To be silent like that is very controlling.

I guess the big headline of this is like Rebecca, Rebecca who is a trainer and last season she shows a dick pic to Jodie Wattley.

She has this boyfriend with this huge cock and now I knew that they eventually Jackie and Rebecca become girlfriends.

Oh they do.

I thought she was queer baiting.

I thought so too.

No, no, no, I knew just from like a minor wiki that they become love interests.

And then I asked Jackie about it last week and she still like has such lovely things to say about Rebecca.

They dated for a long time, they're still friendly.

It was giving like late late two thousands, like Lindsay Lohan era, like straight girls.

The guys will think we're hotter if we make out.

Yeah, like through women seeking out like male gaze.

Yes.

But Jackie, her power is too strong and she can she can make even the straightest woman.

Yeah a lesbian right, And I think she did that was really well.

So many women have said, like, this was my first and only girl crush.

She's she's super hot.

Yeah.

The thing with Rebecca that when they were at the club was that that club over there was that revolver where it looked like they were at one of the bars here.

I was like, where is this like flush bar?

Looks like they're in like a fancy women's bathroom with like couches.

Mmmm see.

I feel like it might have been that little lesbian place over here.

But it seemed like Rebecca, well, we'll get there.

I don't want to I don't want to spoil myself.

It just it felt like Rebecca was like genuinely bummed when Jackie was like, oh, we're just friends, right, And you could see the like white the color drainer Rebecca because it's like she wants validation.

But and then I think she realizes, oh wait, I think I might actually like girls.

Also, the TV show of it All, I think that Rebecca probably was like, oh, I'll have a big She disappears for like five.

Of the six episodes last season.

She just kind of doesn't have a storyline, and this is like, oh, I'll become the main character if I become the girlfriend.

So like, not that made her switch her sexuality.

She's probably attracted to her, but she probably it was a little vander Pump Rules a little bit.

It was like instance, she was like I in real life.

I wonder if that would have happened if the cameras weren't on.

Does someone look to their cowork and go, let's fuck, Like I'm sure it does happen, but I.

Think it had her Moss TV Your Boss.

Yeah, it felt like do you remember when on Real House was of oci when Tamra was like pretending to be well, actually, sometimes I think Tamora actually is bisex.

I think she is.

But when she was sort of baiting that trainer that, you know, that really hot lesbian trainer that she was like best friends with, and she was sort of like there was a moment where housewives and like reality shows were trying to like be edgy, be edgy, and by being edgy, they were like, I'm gonna like flirt with being a lesbian.

Yeah, I'll be the which is really craven.

Can I ask you a question but a total sidetrack?

Yeah, okay, So I saw Sheena Sheha Just to ask you a sub question.

I saw Shena is like the face of preparation H and hemorrhoids now and then I caught up on the valley and talks about it and like, so she has this organic moment where she's like ye'ah, my whole is blown out and like do you so do you think that she contacted preparation H?

And she's like, you, guys, there's an episode coming up, Yes I do, and you're it's gonna be water.

Curve people called their people.

But like, I don't know if I'm impressed or disgusted because she's.

Probably making a ton of money.

But like you can tell that she thinks she ate and that she like made this brand partnership happen.

But she's now the face of mangled whole.

She she is the face of stretch sincter.

She is it's so Shina to milk and talk about milking.

She's it's so Shina to talk about milking.

To milk a like four minutes total of screen time.

I would never have remembered it unless earlier in the day had I not seen her talking about her hemorrhoids.

She was like, my hamorrhinds.

And then when summer was born, like my hammerins were there, and I was like whatever, I been through it already.

So she came home and was like, oh my god, when I dropped that bomb, everyone is going to just go crazy.

So I need to go to preparation.

H that is It's brilliant and.

An anal queen.

She's talked about it before that.

She and Brock Cavenal well, who wouldn't Brock is so hot.

He is so hot, you know, he has a fire hydrant.

I understand why she has hemorrhoids.

She's a fucking trooper.

Take one look at Brock and you can see that she's just destroyed.

He is.

His ass is so perfect and huge.

He's I think he's like it feels like he might be like a deadbeat dad though with his kids in like Australia.

Totally, but like he's admitted as it's hot.

Didn't he name his new kids what his old kids were named?

And it was like, yeah, his I think it was like Winter Sun Bring.

Yeah, he named after Raise Fashion.

Okay, sorry to sidetrack.

So the other like main storyline is that there was a hawk eye coming to work out.

We're sitting in like the monkey bars.

So Jackie's whole thing is she's gonna she's trying to up the ante at Skysport and she's getting like nine people together to really target and do extreme weight loss.

This is around the time of.

Biggest Loser, so I think she was really trying to say, like, how am I going to show that like my business is shedding pounds?

She was coming for Jillian Michael's nachos.

You know they were no way Okay, watched last week's episode.

They were girlfriends, they worked, they owned Skysport and Spot together.

Kind of.

She got her a job at ICM something horrible happened, and then she threatened Jackie's entire existence.

She's like, I will destroy you if you don't pay me out, Like she had a lot to say.

Please watch the episode.

It's crazy.

She worked at ICM as like an agent, as an assistant and then worked her way up and then something horrible happened.

What do you think happened?

I can't watch the video with Jackie and see if you can infer thing and how she says it.

Jillian Michaels is scary.

She's also like a fucking maga now maga woman.

Yeah.

Anyway, so she's like she makes everyone way they're fat.

She assembles this like kind of crew of people she feels bad for her and one of them is her office assistant or someone she knew.

One of them is a woman that she had worked out with before, and she broke her knee or her leg and then like that's Test.

So she was all last season.

She had a huge arc and at the end Tested this big reveal and she curled her hair and then she was skinny, and then she lost all the way.

She gained it all back, So Test is back.

We love Tests.

Doug's best friend Dawn comes to work out and just like they fucked.

I mean you can tell he's like, oh, this is my best friend, but you can tell that like they definitely know they have like cock and mouth, yeah disease.

Yeah, that disturbed me so much that, Yeah, it's humiliat we like I would never in a thousand years do that.

What is that water?

They say that, like if you'd get your fat tested with like just the pinch or if you stand on one of those things at the gym, it doesn't really tell you how much body fat you have.

So the only way to really measure is by the water test.

Okay, It's it's a bummer because they really you get a sense of like.

How mean people were about people being fat.

I mean they really mock and ridicule Jesse and she they literally just call him fat to his face.

It's really mean.

And also he's not fat but.

Not he literally looks great, Like it's it's truly insane.

This like that that was what we grew up with.

That was our culture.

That was our culture, and that was like less than twenty years ago.

Right, And he even says on the last episode, he's like they talk about it then He's like, I'm gay fat, which means I'm fat in the gay community.

Meanwhile, that's so real.

He looks great and it is real.

That's a really like what was this was?

It was like two thousand and six, I mean in New York, like when I was like spiraling on drugs and alcohol, like I was not in my best form, but I can't tell you.

I had like multiple grinder hookups where the guy was like basically said you're fat.

Oh, and like guy like made me leave.

He made you leave?

Yeah, fuck no.

But I was just like, uh, like it was just it's brutal to be a gay man.

Saying that on Bravo in two thousand and six is like really ahead of its time totally.

There's oh, speaking of I got to get a cutaway shot of Jesus Christ, the guy working out across from us.

So snatched too.

He knows, Yeah, I mean to go and work out like that in public.

You know you're killing it?

Yes?

Should we interview him?

Sure?

She put a love mic on his cock.

Yeah I want to see it.

Yeah I do too.

Okay, So Kathy Griffin's on this episode, of course, it was two thousand and six on Bravo.

Kathy showing up.

I love her.

I do too.

Where is she?

She's in Malibu.

I went to one of her lunches recently.

Really yeah, I produced D List, you know.

I know.

Yeah, this was two years before my season of D List.

She that was like that show is so formative.

She is really one of the funniest people of all time.

This was kind of a golden era, even though people were fat shaming it like it was like truly just gay.

It was gay exactly queer people and they weren't working in angle.

There was no social media and there was no they weren't trying to like God and what is happening influx of guys who want to work out.

I mean, we are in the park.

Let's see.

Rebecca shows up.

They have this conversation.

They kind of start the conversation about her being maybe possibly lesbianic and she's like, give me a penis.

I can deal with that all day, but I don't know what to do with the So she goes over to Jackie's like Jackie's like, I'm going on for the first time as a single woman.

Yeah, and she and they're like pre pregaming.

Yeah, and so she's taken Rebecca out to a gate to a lesbian bar.

Yeah, and Rebecca's like, she did hook up with a woman, but then like when it came to her pussy, she was like, I can't.

Oh, he's approaching.

I think he wants to be in our show.

Let's see.

They take a limo to east Oh, east west.

That's what I think it was.

You don't know this place?

It was right over.

No, I'm serious.

I think it's in that it's yes, in that cornerstone, yes, yes.

And I think now it's revolver.

Was it called maybe eleven at one point?

Oh, I don't know.

I think when I first moved here was maybe called eleven.

I went to an setician.

Once above it, I went to.

Got spraystan above it once it's the same place.

Yeah, wow, I liked it.

There's someone in the bushes, Jackie warners in the bushes.

Rebecca.

It's like I'm a lesbian.

They put a lip gloss on each other.

This very sappiic.

Oh.

We talked about getting their fat tested.

Jackie's fat percentages are crazy.

Doug is forty three.

He's forty three years old here ten point four body fat.

Brian has the lowest at eight point seven.

Also, they're talking about it like it's a contest.

When some people naturally need twenty percent body fat, some people naturally generically can have seven percent or whatever.

I just this isn't even that bad.

I was literally watching this.

My jaw was on the ground, and I was like if I would actually need to commit like Sopoco.

But no, she stands in front of them, she gives them the results of what they waited in the water.

Oh my god, I want people to see his front, not just the back.

What's your name?

What's your Yes?

Yeah, that's what I wanted to do.

While I was watching these weigh ins, it reminded me I was my sister and I run on the swim team in high school.

That was like it was like a really intense, like national team.

No, this was like a different thing.

But look at the way I'm sitting.

Well, I'm like giving people like Princess Diana deuyt Lay.

They would weigh the girls in front of the guys again early two thousands.

Yeah, this is sick like.

And they're there.

You see their faces as they're waiting for the for the tlly to come up and they're like mortifying, and I love it when when the one guy has the eight percent, she goes really surprised, surprise, yeah, great fuck yeah.

And then she's mean to Jesse.

She's like, oh, and Jesse, you have some.

Goals you need to work on, and like she didn't even name it, she forgot them.

Yeah, I need to do some research.

Rebecca says.

She was on Amazing She's like, I know this girl from Amazing Race.

So man, Rebecca was on Amazing Race.

When they're at the bar and she like jumps on Jackie and is wearing like apple bottom jeans.

The jeans, the fashion and workout is is triggering.

Rebecca says, Jackie is like the Tom Cruise of the gay world, which I love.

She asks what she's like, She's like the Tom Cruise of the gay world.

She walks in and oh, now he's flexing for us.

God damn it.

Rebecca asked her client if she's ever fucked a woman, and the client's like, yeah, I have, Yeah, I.

Did her for four months.

She's a mom and a wife of like heterosexual family life.

And she's like, maybe I dated a girl for four months, Like no big deal.

You imagine like this flying today.

You're right, like you're a trainer being like you have a fuck a woman?

Well, like it just it's just incredible.

What and it's it wasn't and it wasn't like it doesn't come across as CD.

Let's see Jackie throws a party, Rebecca says she's gonna date Jackie.

They do shots at the party.

Doug is wearing a racing a leather racing jacket.

He looks so handsome.

So this was Jackie's house, Yeah, it was really nice.

Where was that it looked?

I was trying to figure out that street.

When the guy storms out at the end, what was his name?

Who storms?

Oh?

Brian, Brian storms out.

Now this guy's doing some mobility work.

Jesus Christ.

Oh yeah.

Brian's like, I don't need no goddamn Scott Sport.

I'm everything.

Yeah.

And then that's when I was like, when Jackie sort of tells him he's a loser basically.

And he calls her a bitch in the interview, He's like, this bitch, don't call me a fool.

I'm brilliant.

Yeah.

When he says I'm brilliant, I was again my jaw.

Went, He's apparently Magan now two, that's a surprise.

He's hot.

Sorry.

Yeah, they all kind of looked like porn's like gay for pay.

She said they were all They weren't even trainers.

They were actress who wanted to be on TV, and that's why she hired them.

But that's why I think Rebecca is doing all this because she thinks it's her job on the TV show.

Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna play a little game with you.

Okay, Okay, I'm going to read you some quotes.

Tell me if it's something said by someone on the series Workout or just by a lesbian icon.

Okay.

I don't like rules, but I love structure.

Jackie Jill Salloway Joey's away.

I just want to go home and eat a sandwich and be left alone.

Jackie Bethdido.

If you're not sweating, you're not doing it right, Jackie.

Yes, no one ever died from being a little hungry.

I feel like it's a lesbian icon.

Tracy Anderson, I'm not mean, I'm honest.

There's a difference.

Jackie Camille Paglia is she lesbian Camille, She's like the lesbian Really, Yes, I have a very are you to corroborate?

I feel like if you google is Camille Paglia a lesbian?

Your phone will explode.

Okay, it'll be like, yes, are you stupid?

Okay, Okay, one more.

I'm not trying to be intimidating.

You're just easily shaken.

Jackie, Rachel Maddow.

Fuck Okay, I'm so bad at quotes with Maddow just showed up.

I would she passed me in Petel one time on a bike that was very starstruck.

Okay.

In honor of Doug and Jesse's feud that is somewhat mitigated by the end of this episode, a gay camaraderie moment.

Well, so do you know what happened?

They kind of cover it, but basically Doug Angel sweet rip, rest in peace.

Doug last like, over the course between seasons one and two, he did an interview and he was like, I'm trying to be he was talking about himself.

He's like, I'm trying to be a positive gay role model.

And then he said Jack Jesse is like Jack from Will and Grace, meaning like he's comic relief and fun.

He didn't mean anything by it, and he's like he even explains, He's like, Jack's my favorite character.

I love Jack and I love Jesse.

But Jesse read that and took it.

He took it so far.

He was like, there's a hierarchy in the gay community, which isn't wrong.

He's like, and this is especially true for the time.

He's like, straight acting gay guys are at the top and femme like flamers are at the bottom, and they're really mean, and they're really mean to us.

That's true, and it is true true, But.

In this particular instance, Doug didn't mean that, so he got the opportunity to make it.

I mean, I see, I understand why at the time, and I think I could see why that would activate someone totally.

And it's kind of what you were saying.

At this.

No one was explaining that to mass marketed television.

No one was giving that insight into gay life.

No one wants to be the gay clown, right, you know, And he was Pagliacci and he didn't.

He was sad clown and he did not want to be sad clown and he wanted to be hot gay.

Do you ever feel like a clown?

Yeah?

I do too.

More serious more so, like when I was.

I felt like when I was in New York and I would sort of be in certain social moments with like there was a set of gaze.

I was called them like the West Village gays who just and I'm sure this isn't true, but it felt like they were like not bullied in high school somehow right, and they just like easily they're rich and handsome, yeah, and they like easily just breathed into being gay and like are basically straight.

But like guy's leaving, he's packing up, Fuck, don't leave, stay justice.

He just touched his dick.

Well this this guy's doing downward facing dog in our faces.

But it felt very like I would be I was only really around them to like do drugs, right.

It would be like I'd somehow end up at an after party and I would sort of just feel very like, oh, they think I'm funny, mm hmm, but like they don't take me seriously.

Still to this day, I feel I don't know if it's because I wasn't raised super wealthy, but I feel like I'm on the outside of those like.

Oh you're not I'm sorry, what No.

I feel like I'm on the outside of like a club I'm not invited to totally like, but I think every gay feels I think that's universal.

It's in your head.

And I think even the gays that you think are like, they probably all are feeling like they're imposed.

I think we all feel sort of imposter.

Yeah, because you grow up and you're you literally are different from everyone else.

You are literally the different when you are.

So I think I think everyone it's all very subjective, but I mean there are some gays that are like, I'm great, yeah, and like good.

I think if people's parents love them too much, they kind of turn out to be annoying.

Yeah.

My parents were pretty strict and tough and a little bit like not good enough, not good at all times.

Right.

I think that gave me a little bit more capacity to be a more interesting person.

You had stones, I met.

You have balls.

Oh, I feel like my balls are shrinking by the day.

Why.

I don't know, old age.

Okay, I want that guy to come inspect them.

Well, you know what they say, if you don't feel like you have a seat at the table, make your own table.

And I feel like that's what we've done with your Higher Island crew.

We have no I'm you I felt like last year when I went to Fire Island for the first time, I was terrified, but I left feeling like I went to a summer camp.

Genuinely and like honestly, even though we there's only four of us on our group chat, Like that group chap makes me feel like I'm friends.

Know me too.

Eric is like Eric is an essential part of my life now, I know.

Okay, one more little game.

I'm in honor of that feud between Jesse and Doug.

I'm gonna give you some questions about famous feuds.

There are a few escalated and she threw a hat.

Sorry, they're a feud escalated when she threw a what at Nicki Minaj during a fashion party in twenty eighteen, cardib Well a shoe, She threw a show yeah.

And then she walked out with that like bump but her heads yeah.

This pop Stars dancers left Taylor Swift Sewar to join her rivals Who was it Katy Perry Yes.

While filming Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, Joan Crawford allegedly filled her pockets with what to sabotage the scene with Betty Davis where she has to lift.

Her stones weights waits.

Madonna accused Lady Gaga of copper copying her nineteen eighty nine hit what in the song Yes, Kim Cartralls hold Sarah Jessica Parker we were never friends after Parker did what following the death of Katrell's brother.

Posted on Instagram at the beak of their feud, Christina Aguilera and Kelly Osbourne publicly insulted each other over what topic very timely pertinent to what we're talking about.

Wait?

Yes, Martha Stewart mocked Gwyneth Paltrow's conscious uncoupling by published what kind of recipe?

In her magazine?

Fuck?

I know this?

Can you give me a hint?

It's a food item.

It is a dessert item.

It's not a.

Cake, it's a pie.

Yes, called conscious coupling.

Wow, I'm so much better with like pop.

Culture moments like it's just if any quote and I'm just reading you any quote you don't know who's by.

When I wrote on Billy on the Street, I wrote a game that got cut, but it was in the trailer.

It was called job of the Hut or just some gay guy.

Oh that's so good, and the coats are indistinguishable.

Yeah, he sounds like, yeah, just like a rageful queen.

A mean bastard.

Carry O'Donnell.

I'll let you go now.

Thank you for watching.

That was it.

We're quick because I have to have to edit it today.

I have to go to the bathroom.

I do too.

Actually, I have to poop.

Are you doing do you have to poop?

No?

Okay, well this was so beautiful.

I can't wait to do this in fire.

I know you're gonna have to do it.

Pool Size Simon has to do it too.

Yes, well, everyone in the house is going to have to do it.

Maybe I'll do like a rotating like a pump and dump podcast, a pot du pot and dump.

Thank you for having me.

That was so fun and thank you for enlightening me about this incredible queer anal show.

Wait, pump and pod.

Is a really good idea, Like Sniffies should do a podcast and you go to the different gang bangs and you just interview guys as soon as they dump the load.

And you should call it pod count instead of load count.

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