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HAIRSPRAY REUNION: Broadway OG's Go Deep (with Marissa Jaret Winokur)

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Speaker 1

Hi, good afternoon, good evening, good morning.

No matter what time it is or where you are, I am saying hello to you.

I'm also lighting my candelabra.

This is my set piece, of course, from Panzias Ceramics.

Okay, here's what's happening.

I normally do this show on Sundays, or I do an interview with someone on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and then on Sunday I edit it and then I upload it for you all lovely people on Monday morning.

So my guest this week is Marissa Jarrett Winoker, Tony Award winner.

And oh, by the way, somebody commented or somebody DM me, I don't remember who it was, but somebody commented about making stickers of show pony because I used to have like just a postcard tape to my laptop.

I took your advice and I made myself a little fucking sticker.

Look at this if you want one.

They were very expensive, so just I'll give them out for free though, because that's how much I love you.

Anyway, what was I saying?

Yes, Marissa jarre at Winoker is my guess, So that's exciting.

I'm very excited.

I have to drive to her house in the valley, not a problem, happy to do it, but she's not available till seven pm tonight.

So normally I do the interview first and then I do a little I do this after the facts.

I kind of know what the episode's about.

I kind of know the vibe of the interview, and set the scene as it were, you know, here at the candelabra, the anal labra, the butthole, young young jock with his ass in the air candelabra.

But this time I don't have the luxury of knowing what the interview was going to be like, I can only assume it's going to be lit and it's going to be hilarious and amazing.

But so basically, and you know what, I also love doing this part at the desk here with the candles lit, the neon sign.

I like doing it in the evening because it's more moody.

The vibe is giving goth Gothic cathedral, but also one bedroom apartment in who and as broad daylight, so that just might affect things, but nevertheless we're doing it.

That's the way we do it here by the seat of our puss.

I told you last week that I had the week the weekend from Hell, the trip from Hell.

Couldn't go to Gaga.

It was a nightmare.

I finally got home.

I had never been so happy to be home in La just in time to find out I got to proof for an apartment in New York.

Huge announcement, first, first time I'm announcing it.

I just found out yesterday that I got a roof for an apartment in New York.

And here's just to be totally real, I'm going to drop the shit.

I when I was a drug addict, I had I hadn't.

I didn't even have bad credit.

I had no credit.

I tried to get an apartment in New York a long time ago, like twenty fourteen or something, and the guy was like, yeah, you don't.

It's like you don't exist.

You don't have any credit.

It's not that you have bad credit, you have no credit.

You don't exist.

So over the past what twelve years?

How long ago was twenty fourteen?

Yeah, ten eleven?

Whatever the math is there?

Yeah?

Ten plus one?

Since then, I now have good credit and I didn't have to get a guaranteur.

It's an expensive apartment to rent an apartment, you know, the average apartment rental in New York City is five thout.

I have wax on my nose.

That's why I keep my God, I should start over like this little furry thing on the microphone, or maybe it's wax.

Ugh, it feels like I have boogers, just like catching stray boogers.

Also, if you hear that noise, that's not me farting, That is the chair.

Just kidding, it was me farting.

Yes, it's expensive to get an apartment in New York.

Apartments are five thousand dollars a month.

That's the average apartment rental price in New York.

Mine is around there a little bit less, thank god.

This apartment is twenty three hundred dollars in Los Angeles, so it's gonna be a big jump.

I'm going to get rid of my car.

Does anybody have any advice on how to get rid of my car?

Which I love?

I love my car.

I'm gonna be sad to give it up because I do love it.

It's a twenty twenty four Volkswagen tous If anybody wants to take over the lease, just let me know.

So I have to move in write a two weeks, not even two weeks, like fourteen days.

Well that's two weeks, fourteen days from now I have to move.

So of course I get home, and I'm all excited to be home and resting, and now all I think about.

I woke up in the middle of the night last night just thinking about can I fit my rice cooker in a box?

Or should I give it away and just buy a new rice cooker?

Can I fit my soda stream in a box?

And then I filled out all the things from like moving all my shit to New York, Like, you know, the company gives you a little checklist, and some of the stuff I have is that on a checklist, Like my deer head isn't on the checklist.

So I had to email them and say, hey, I have a deer head.

Oh my god, my dog's barfing.

Are you okay?

Oh sweetie?

Oh no, are you okay?

It's okay, get it out.

I'll clean it up in just a second.

Okay, I guess i'd better make this fast.

He didn't eat all day today, he didn't eat breakfast, he didn't eat his lunch, and he barfed twice.

Oh, poor baby.

Maybe he knows, Maybe he feels that I'm stressed.

Maybe you know dogs they sense these things.

Maybe he knows that we're about to leave the gorgeous weather of southern California and go to the arctic tundra of New York City, which is now did you know this a subtropical climate?

They've changed the cate organization New York City and it is now a subtropical climate like Puerto Rico.

Anyway, I don't know if I'm allowed to really talk about this, but I did catch the first episode of the new season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

I have to find out when it premieres.

I think it premiere is Tuesday, so tomorrow if you're listening to this Monday and it's really good.

I gotta say my friend Brittany, I don't know if she's officially bumped up to regular Housewiffer, she's still just a friend of but you know, that's my friend.

That's my friend from Miss Saigon.

We did Broadway shows and she was lovely.

I love Brittany, but she's she's I was worried about her on the last season because they were really mean to her and she kept like showing up and they kept knocking her down.

And then it's nice to see she's back in the mix.

She's definitely back in the mix.

Maybe still a friend, but she starts off with a bang.

She's great.

I don't want to say what happens.

I don't know if I'm allowed to say that yet, And I don't want to lose my privilege for the NBC media village where I can watch all the shows early and for free, even though I don't like.

I've totally given up on Real Housewives of Orange County.

I found out that I sleep with my eyes open.

My doctor told me that my eye is irritated, and he says, because your eye, your right eye doesn't close all the way when you sleep.

I think it's because of botox, not that I've ever had it.

What else, let's see.

Oh, I went to see I love a horror movie.

I love a Stephen King situation.

I went to see what was it called The Long Walk?

Stephen King's new movie Long Walk, based on a Stephen King's story from a long time ago.

And girl, skip it.

Just gonna be honest, skip it this time.

It's not The timing is not quite right.

The entire movie.

It is two hours, every few minutes just watching a young man get shot in the face.

Maybe am I going to get flagged for that by saying shot?

But it's the plot of movie, just happen.

It's so it was not the right moment to see this movie considering what all has gone on in our country the past week.

So I was sitting there at like two thirty in the afternoon, a packed crowd by the way at the AMC at the grove, and we're all just sitting there like kind of looking at each other.

It just it's relentless, just like my tattoo.

It's guy after guy after guy.

The story is about it's like a hunger game type of thing, like thirty guys twenty five thirty guys young men.

They are chosen by lottery in the dystopian future that they have to go and walk until only one person is left if they drop below three miles an hour, which, by the way, how fast or slow is that?

I have no concept of how many miles per hour I can walk, but judging by the movie, it's kind of like this, Yeah, somebody analyzed the BPM and see if it's three miles an hour, But that's kind of it.

They're kind of like walking you know, like a brisk model Tyra Banks runway walk and if you drop below three miles an hour you get Saho t and the aga d it is.

It is rough, bitch, and I just kept throwing my hands up.

And it's also they're not panning away.

They're not panning away.

It's right up close.

It's like they got some pumpkins, you know what I mean.

Like, however, they do the practical special effects, it's not cgi like these are like exploding.

It's please skip it.

Please do not see it right now.

I do love Stephen King, and I love a harm move, but it is not the time.

It's not the time for that right now.

Save it.

Save it for a couple of years from now when everything is great, because I'm sure that's where we're headed.

Okay.

I should also say that Marissa Jarret Minoker doesn't even know that this podcast has been centering around rewatching workout on Bravo.

She doesn't even know that we're just gonna I'm an interviewer and just chat, so I will recap the episode for you right now.

Vanessa and Greg at the beginning of this episode there still in their retreat and sanj just into where is it San San Luis Obispo.

They're still in their little retreat and Reanessa has said that she wants to f U.

C.

K.

Greg who is looking he's grown on me.

I know last week that Doug and I said he has small teeth and that's a red flag or a white flag, or a brown flag or a yellow flag, depending on the shade of your teeth.

Which, by the way, side note, I went to Smile Texas to have my first meeting with them.

Tamra Judge, who some of y'all do not like right now, I will always be grateful she did my show and she hooked me up with Smile Texas.

I have talked about this before, but I have like I need like five implants on the bottom.

Either bad work was done when I was a little kid in Texas or the bone is messed up like I have a it's not an aesthetic thing, it's a it's a you know, a structural an architectural thing.

Anyway, I went down there.

I have I have an orthanonys, I have a prosthodontist, I have a periodontist, and I have an end adontist.

Here they're all in Burbank and they're all five million fucking dollars.

Every time you walk in the office and I go from one to the other to one to the other back home, they're all it's like fucking hour drive.

Just to go to the periodonist, I have to go downtown to skid Row adjacent park downstairs for twenty dollars, go inside, say hi, I'm here to see doctor, and then you have to go to the seventeenth floor.

Then you get there and then he's like, okay, yeah, cool, let me just check this one thing.

Okay, that's gonna be five thousand dollars.

It's just so I would rather move to This is real.

I went to Texas, and I was happy to fly to Texas to smile, Texas to look at my teeth.

I was happy.

I am more willing to go to Texas for this than to go to downtown LA.

That's how fucking annoying it is.

It's almost cheaper considering the twenty dollar parking fee.

So that's what's happening with my teeth.

I had my consultation.

Next time I go, they're gonna do some of the work, and then by this time next year, I will have fucking great teeth and I'll be able to choose steak again.

Oh, I can't wait to eat meat anyway.

Greg Plitt has small teeth, but that's okay.

He's hot.

Rnessa is hot for him.

They get drunk.

They go in the hot tub.

Getting drunk in a hot tub not advisable.

You're not supposed to really do that.

You're not supposed to get inebriated and then have your blood pressure and your body temperature raise.

So word of caution to those of you who have hot tubs and are maybe drinking, just please use caution.

They take photos on the bar.

Greg puts his feet on the bar.

I think it's kind of a that's definitely a red flag putting putting shoes on the bar where people are gonna eat and drink.

Off of Renessa.

I'm gonna play a clip right now.

Speaker 2

I'm just having.

Speaker 1

Fun and I'm not gonna make the first move.

Speaker 2

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not.

Speaker 1

I'ma let him come to me and I'll put on my shoes.

So don't.

I don't know she talk.

It's dry out.

Did you really did?

Yeah?

A look over and I said, what is she doing Oh.

Speaker 2

My god, your eye there's the hypnotizing.

Speaker 1

I don't know what it is.

I'm just so, okay, what about what about this stuff?

Should we get it in a drink a while?

I think we should?

You sell her first?

What?

Vanessa has a white dress on with no bra.

They get in the hot tub all wet.

I don't know, it's a sluttie.

This is a slutty moment.

They were in the hot tub.

Then they go and we can only assume have full fledged intercourse all night.

The next morning they wake up, Vanessa says she's still drunk on tequila.

She goes to the you know, she meets the group and they're like, where where were you?

Did you hook up with Greg?

And she's like, what do you mean?

She's wearing Greg's polo fleece and she's like, what this is Miane.

They're like, that's Greg.

You went home with Greg and that's his hoodie and you're drunk and you guys were horny.

You obviously did it.

And she's like, no, what do you mean?

It's mine?

This is Miine.

I love what Erica says, though she she got fucked.

Speaker 2

He I mean, come on, she got totally as Greg Butler puts it t.

Speaker 1

Mill I don't want it's amazing.

Greg on the other hand, said, did show up.

But Greg on the other hand, is too drunk to even show up, so he skips the morning meeting gets in big trouble, so he and Jackie later on the episode have to have it come to Jesus.

Oh my god.

My list for how to recap this episode is so small.

Don't worry, don't fast forward.

JD has a sister with schizophrenia and his client, Shannon has a daughter with cerebral palsy.

They have a storyline.

He goes with her to take her daughter with cerebral palsy to go horseback riding, And that was very heartwarming.

You learned that people with cerebral palsy ride horses because it somehow helps them get the rhythm of how the bodies are supposed to move in their body.

I wasn't really listening, but it sounded very very cool.

I love horses.

Greg goes to visit not Greg Plitt, the other Greg goes to visit Brian Peeler, who has just been fired at his new gym.

Says he's down in the dumps.

He is getting separated.

He's getting a divorce or separation.

This is all leading up to Doug rip to Doug's funeral.

Do we say funeral?

What do we say memorial service?

It's my funeral music.

This is all leading up to his to Doug's memorial service, and Brian.

Jackie is worried that Brian is going to steal focus and make it all about him and be performative, and he just wants to and she's right, that's her instinct is correct.

Because they get there, they all get drunk, or he gets drunk.

He jumps on stage and this is something that I don't know.

They have an auction right and they're selling different services.

Brian says, he gets the thing's over, Like they raise enough money, it's time to call it a night.

Brian jumps on stage.

He can't handle not having the attention get it.

Jumps on stage and says, come on, we gotta raise more money.

All I'm gonna throw in a training session with me who wants He's drunk, He's in a blackout, thinking like everyone wants me and nobody bids and he goes, okay, fine, five a full week of training with me?

Who wants it?

Nobody bids and then at the very last minute somebody does pay for it, but you don't see who they are.

And I think a producer was like, production, will just eat this cost because we have to.

It was so awkward, it was god.

I I threw up.

I felt nauseous just watching it.

After this, he corners Jackie Brian corner.

Jackie says, let's go talk outside.

I want to clear things up.

They go outside.

He's drunk and I have to say this is when Jackie I would have lost my shit.

And she is great.

He says, he's pushing her, pushing or pushing her.

Do you want me to be a part of your business?

Do you?

And she's like no, I fired you and that's that.

And then he gets mad at her.

So he starts by pleading and begging and saying, I, you know, we're so alike and we have you know, we butt heads, but we're still a great team.

He starts off kissing her ass, and then he's like, don't you want me back?

And she's like no, and then he calls her a bitch.

He gets in her face, she keeps her calm, and then the episode ends with him walking into the night into the Shadows.

Then there's only two episodes left of the entire series, Girl, Thank God.

This coming Thursday, I'm interviewing Jackie again for a final wrap up.

Send me your questions.

What do you want me to ask her?

I need to come up with a list.

This is going to be the final, ultimate final word of Jackie on this entire series.

Okay, I'm gonna get going because it's gonna take me ten thousand years to drive to Te Luca Lake to interview Marissa Jarrett Winoker.

While I'm doing that, you guys go leave me a nice comment on here.

Thank you for the comments on the YouTube channel.

I really appreciate it.

It's so nice to hear you.

Guys are so nice.

And even if you're not nice, I love you anyway.

Okay, I'll be right back hanging there.

It's kind of really get it close close.

Yeah, and we also have to get really close.

I wonder if I'm in the frame and we're there.

Speaker 2

In the frame, you're in the right, okay, then you might not have to close your leg like that.

Why it was like, well, I don't know, you might want to look.

Speaker 1

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2

It's like because you were like this so and it was the closest thing to the camera, this weird calf.

Speaker 1

Like all meat.

Speaker 2

Wait, but your head is as.

Speaker 1

Long as I'm in the Yeah, I'm a giant.

Yeah yeah, yeah, But how about if I just scooched down?

Speaker 2

No, don't oh that Like that's better.

Now we're not worrying about like.

Speaker 1

Weird.

Speaker 2

What does it say on your leg?

Speaker 1

That's my Are you kidding?

You don't need this whole time?

Speaker 2

No, I've never seen that.

Speaker 1

I'm getting that tattoo removed.

I got it when I was What does it mean?

It doesn't?

Speaker 2

Do you steal my drugs?

Speaker 1

No?

Okay, let's talk about it.

Speaker 2

Is it?

Speaker 1

Yeah?

Your your bathroom right next door is where yoused to steal your kN of thing?

I know?

Speaker 2

Don't steal my drugs?

Are you gonna ste Are you here to steal my drugs?

Wait?

I don't know what the leg tattoo?

Speaker 1

The leg tattoo doesn't mean anything.

Me and my friend I've told the story three times on this.

I am I don't know.

We got blacked out at pump and I am is it?

Okay, I'm getting it removed?

Speaker 2

But what does it mean?

Speaker 1

That thing?

Speaker 2

We were drunk or you just picked letters.

Speaker 1

It's relentless, it says, relentless with no vowels.

Speaker 2

That's it's so stupid.

Drugs, No, do you promise?

I actually thought that when you pulled in, I was like, what if this is just a big play?

They steal my drugs?

Speaker 1

Well, of course you think that, because I did do that a lot.

Yeah, and you you let me stay here when I was not in a good state.

Speaker 2

But I didn't even know.

Oh that's how bad of a friend I am.

I didn't know that you were in a bad state.

I let you stay here.

I didn't know you were in a bad state.

You stole my drugs.

We blamed it on some guy.

Speaker 1

Yeah, we blamed it on that at the time.

Speaker 2

Yeah, we blamed it on him prostitute.

But then but then I didn't know that part.

He was a prostitute.

Speaker 1

I think he was.

Speaker 2

Were you paying him with my klonopin?

Is that coming out today?

Because you were like, I didn't do all my steps.

The last step is to tell you that the man that lived in your back room with me as my boyfriend was.

Speaker 1

I wanted to sit you down so that I could just confess to you that this whole time, I was running a brothel out of your guest room.

Speaker 2

But it was just for you to have sex.

The brothel was you, oh, to pay for the drugs he was.

Speaker 1

I think he was a prostitute because he would come here.

Basically, yeah, that was the word you.

Speaker 2

That book in Paris.

Remember it's like Paris.

Speaker 1

He never had any money journal I don't barely remember that whole phase.

But he went to you never had any money.

But then he's like, oh, I have to go to Paris, and it was like with whom He's like.

Speaker 2

Oh, just like Frost call friend yes John as.

Speaker 1

They say, you know a client.

And then he would come back and this is how I know he's also a prostitute.

He'd be like, oh, I'm going to go to the gym at like three in the morning.

He's like, I go to twenty four hour fitness.

But if you live in LA for long enough, you know the twenty four hour fitness is not twenty four hours.

It's only nine to five.

Basically, he closed at eleven.

Speaker 2

Judo goes to the gym at three am.

Speaker 1

Not twenty four hour fitness.

He's going to Equinox or some shit.

LA Fitness they might be open, but twenty four Fitness is kidding anyway, he doesn't he this guy was.

Speaker 2

It is asleep already in bed right now.

Speaker 1

I blamed this guy out.

Speaker 2

Yeah, we blame he.

We all did.

And then and then you then you said you were sorry, and I was like, I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1

I know, well, but listen, that's what we have to do.

We when we get help.

Speaker 2

That's how we were here with these yummy Oh my god, now I really want it.

I wasn't going to eat these and now I'm gonna abse fucking lutely eat these.

Speaker 1

Are these cake pumps?

Speaker 2

Yes, they got one of the girls mom to me from Starbucks today.

Speaker 1

Okay, let's back up.

Where do we meet me and you?

Yeah, spray right, And then.

Speaker 2

You were a Fender.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I was Tracy, you were Tracy.

Speaker 2

It was Tracy term Bat in the musical Little musical Going the Hairspray And you were Fender.

And you came in like two weeks before we started because somebody left, and then Matt Morrison moved was Fender moved up to Link and then you became Fender and that's where our friendship bonded.

Speaker 1

And then we had to make out.

Speaker 2

We did well when you were laying when I was lame, I guess so gay.

That was fun.

Speaker 1

I loved it.

I still remember it.

You do, no, I do.

Speaker 2

You remember that?

But not the clon?

Speaker 1

I remember being the clonica makes you forget.

I remember being on stage being freaked out and feeling better because you were my friend and you were like giving me like.

Speaker 2

You got this, you got this, you got this.

Yea yeah, yeah, yea yah.

Speaker 1

And now you're directing Hairspray and Thousand Oaks.

I y ah, where is Thousand Oaks?

Speaker 2

How dare you?

Speaker 1

I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2

I get on the one on one and just drive and if you hit OHI you went too far.

Literally go past Studio City Pass, Malibu stop.

Speaker 1

Because I was Pepperdine, I would drive through.

Speaker 2

Then you went yeah.

They all yes.

I actually know a couple of people.

I might have a cous memember who's going to Pepperdine.

I'm not sure.

Speaker 1

They're probably a slut.

They're probably a Christian slut.

I have nothing to say, and I'll be very proud of them.

Who's playing Fender in your show.

Speaker 2

His name is Luke, and I actually picked him to be Fender because I said, John Hill will see this, and I have to pick someone like the tall hot one.

Like I picked the tall hot one Luke to play, and I even sent him the other day.

I said, I had to pick you to be Fender because I know that John Hill will come and see this show and he'll be mad at me if I didn't pick the exact right person to be Fender.

Speaker 1

And you're not talented, but you were tall and hot.

It was tall.

Speaker 2

He's very talented or very talented.

I actually I love this kid.

Speaker 1

They did say that somebody told me who was it?

Maybe Scott told me one time, like they're going back and forth between me and somebody else, And then John Waters came in.

He was like, oh, just pick the cute one.

And I was the cute one wasn't talented, It was just cute.

Speaker 2

Remember the days when you just got hired because you were cute.

Now you have to be talented.

Speaker 1

You have to make your own podcast.

Speaker 2

Oh my god, Hi, is that what we're doing?

Is this a podcast?

Speaker 1

It's a YouTube show podcast?

Hi?

So okay, basically I've been rewatching a show called Workout on Bravo.

Did you ever watch it with Jackie Warner.

No, okay, I introduced, saying she has no idea what the fuck this is.

Yes, I know you don't know that show.

Speaker 2

I don't know that show.

Speaker 1

She didn't you were busy.

You were on Dancing with the Stars at that time.

Speaker 2

It was I know that.

Oh yeah, not only was I on Dancing with the Stars.

I also Zev was born in two thousand and eight, so I don't remember two thousand and eight nine, but I do remember the white haired woman.

Was that her?

Speaker 1

That's Tabitha?

But yeah, the show, it's a wrong show.

But listen, that's the thing.

I never watched it either, which is why I'm watching it and a lot of Bravo listeners and like all these like Rachel Zo's coming back to Beverly Hills, so like I'm digging through like the archives and watched the show because I had never seen it.

And girl, I'm so over it.

Over the show's done with the series, it's three seasons.

Speaker 2

And you're like ready to be done, even though you're doing a like rewatch.

I'm almost podcast about the rewatch and you're like, I'm so excited for this be over.

Speaker 1

Well it's become just this like we're just a chat.

Speaker 2

With me, and we're all like, no, I didn't watch it, let's just keep talking.

Speaker 1

Yeah yeah, right, well, I mean I can ask you about the themes the episode, Like.

Speaker 2

Listen, I watched all the other workout shows.

Speaker 1

Have you ever made out in a hot tub drunk?

Speaker 2

Yeah?

I have a hot tub in my back, cared you have a hot tub?

Speaker 1

Any are drunk?

Have you ever been in the hot tub?

On Klana Ben?

Speaker 2

I'm a lot of him right now every night?

Speaker 1

What workout shows?

Did you watch?

You hosted Dancer ass I did?

Speaker 2

I hosted Dancer ass Off?

Maybe that yeah, in two thousand and nine, so I probably was like, screw that other workout show.

I hosted Dancer ass Off.

I did season one and then I got fired because they said I wasn't relatable enough, and then they hired Scary Spice to replace.

Speaker 1

Me, and then I produced that season.

Did you is that true?

Is that they brought me on after And I was like, oh my god, my friend my friend hosts that show, Marissa, and they were like, oh, we actually.

Speaker 2

A relatable Scary Spice.

Speaker 1

They go, we actually had to let her go.

Speaker 2

I was like, I got fired, y'all.

I got fired because I because I was fat.

I mean I got fired because I wasn't skinny.

I liked Melby actually she but let's be clear, I only it's like a joke to say, like like we're hiring her because she's not relatable.

So we hired scary spices just like my bit.

But like Melby is an amazing host, Like, by the way, I'm not a good hose, Like she was a great home.

Fine, not for a weight loss show when I'm not gonna lose weight.

Speaker 1

We would be stuck in the at the studio, like late at night, and I remember one time she was like, I need a cigarette.

We like there was no Uber Eats, but she found someone to go get her cigarettes and we just sat there and we found we had no lighter, so she got a blowtorch from the scene shop.

We were sitting there lighting cigarettes with a blow torch, and I was like, this is fucking amazing.

Speaker 2

Raw, that's worth it.

Speaker 1

No, I watched Biggest Loser.

Speaker 2

I love Biggest Loser.

Speaker 1

Did you watch the documentary?

Speaker 2

I did watch the documentary.

Do you like Julian Michaels I watched the documentary.

If you watch the documentary, you can't like I have no, I don't want to.

I don't want to be political.

It was very divisive.

Speaker 1

Device well, I hate her.

Speaker 2

I mean I don't, but I don't hate anybody.

Remember I'm Tracy Turnblad.

I hate nobody.

I love the Biggest Loser more than anything.

Support women, and I support women, and I support getting on that fucking treadmill and running and then and I liked I watched that show.

I did that diet.

I went to the Biggest Loser camp like well bait by the way.

I went to the Biggest Loser camp in Utah.

It's called something different now, but I went no, no, no, It was like my favorite do you remember?

Speaker 1

I do remember?

Speaker 2

Like I came back and I was like, I like really was happy.

It was like the best time of my life.

And I was like really drink the kool aid and was like I'm in.

But I went to the camp and while I was hosting on Dancer Assof to lose weight to host Dancer ass Off, I went to the Biggest Loser Camp anyways, and I lost like twenty pounds, but I I didn't lose enough.

Speaker 1

I remember you, you did lose a lot.

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2

At one point, I was real, let's put up a picture.

Can you do that on this video?

Speaker 1

You care?

Speaker 2

But yes, I put up a picture.

I was so skinny and tired and hungry.

I was like Ozembic skinny before Ozemba.

Yeah, but I was just I was doing like the biggest loose exeri.

I was just doing the biggest loser workout, which is you guys, it's don't eat and workout.

Yeah, it's like eight hundred calories and I'm only I did a whole thing with like a nutritionous once.

And because I'm only not even five feet tall, if i eat over nine hundred calories, I'm gaining weight.

So like when normal people can do like twelve to fifteen I'm meaning this fucking cake pop.

But like you know how, like you get the meal sent to your house and they'll be like, it's twelve to fifteen hundred calories.

I couldn't.

I'm already I'm already over.

So to maintain is nine hundred calories for a five foot person.

I have me the ozambe.

Speaker 1

I have to eat twenty eight hundred, twenty eight hundred calories at eight most likely three thousand to not lose my muscle, so I have to eat a lot.

Speaker 2

No, most people.

I mean, like, but if you're under five feet, like, it's not just a set scale.

Speaker 1

I remember being in this room on your wedding day taking pictures of naked Kaye's pussy with.

Speaker 2

Disci to lu Anne very specific for Katie Okay well Johnny and ko Ye Johnny and kuok YouTube's legendary I did.

I was like, I need a lu Anne like.

I was like, yeah, it was really It's funny listening to the lines that's in hairspray.

That was another hair spray reference for you.

Speaker 1

Well, so what is it like you're seeing this cast up there?

And did you give a big speech on the first day, Like yes, I want to Tony, you're in for it.

Hold on to your seat.

Speaker 2

Speaks what happened?

I was like wanting to set president that like we don't do big talks, like let's just work and like and even to that.

But then I had to no, no, no, I didn't.

Actually I was literally like we had from ten to ten twenty.

It said like, well, welcomes, and I was like I literally was like, guys, let's just sing, let's get started, and we were like ahead, of time, and then we had five minutes left at the end of the day, and then I got super emotional and was like, this is what the whole show's about, because we had just sung like I Know Where I've Been and I literally was like just so you know, I was like, but I meant it like I'm only pretending to cry now becase I was like so teary eyed, and I was like, this show almost got this song almost got cut.

And then I was like, and you know, hair Spray's really like just like Tracy and the dancing is just like a trojan horror to tell you this story, Like the I Know where I've Been story is the story of Hairspray.

And I was like, the rest is just to get people into the theater to learn this story.

And I was just like a mass like but I was super emotional.

But so that was my Yeah, I haven't said yet.

Speaker 1

So lucky to be working with you and to have you have so much wisdom and experience to share.

Thank you.

Hairspray was the best time in.

Speaker 2

My life, best time of my life, best time.

Speaker 1

And we knew it at the time.

That's the great thing.

We did not take it for granted we walked around like can you believe we're in this grade of a show?

Speaker 2

But then yeah, yeah, what's funny is I think we always felt like this is insane, Like we all were like, is this happening?

Speaker 1

Yeah?

I remember the first night our first audience, Welcome to the Sixties was on and I was backstage and we heard the reaction of Welcome to the Sixties, and we all turned to each other and we were like, oh, oh, we might have a job for a while.

Speaker 2

I got a standing ovation in Seattle, out of town after Good Morning Baltimore.

They like flew to their legs, their legs.

They flew their legs.

That's what that's what we say in theater.

They flew to their legs in the audience.

Speaker 1

Wow.

So I mean, listen, how tired are you?

You have to get up tomorrow?

I have to get up at five We'll do a longer version of this.

Speaker 2

I did.

I don't have to get up tomorrow at five am.

Like you do a longer version of this when we When I watch workout for you, you.

Speaker 1

Do not need to watch work out.

No, I'm gonna after.

Speaker 2

I do love her workout.

So though I remember before I was on Dancing with the Stars.

I used to watch Dancing with the Stars to work out, Like I love working out to shows that have like and even Survivor.

I like to work out too, because you're like, Okay, I'm gonna run during the challenges, you know, and then like, Who'm gonna slow down during the talkie talk and then I'm gonna run.

Speaker 1

And so our friend Ryan is Edna.

So I'm back on here springs.

Speaker 2

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Ryan's Ryan's Edna.

Speaker 1

I can't believe it.

Speaker 2

Ryan's Edna and he's fantastic, and he's skinny, and.

Speaker 1

It's a is he padded?

Speaker 2

No, he's a woman, right, like, nowhere's does it say?

Like, like listen, this is kind of how I thought about it.

I was like, once you make Ryan's body, he turns into a woman, and Edna's just a woman, and and A's a big woman with a big and Ryan's like, literally, my Tracy's under five feet tall.

My Ryan's like what six six six three six four six five six a big guy.

And also like you know, it's funny.

We've had a lot of talks about it, but I'm like we all had mothers, and our mothers didn't have to look like Edna to be judgmental and mean and scary and like usually like I was, like, usually the mothers that were like a little more like you know, mean about like people's weight, are not the moms who also were you know, So there's end l right, Like I'm like, Edna can be any size.

She's every sixteen year old mom who like who you know what I mean, who's like judgmental and a little hard on their daughter, but loving and scared that their daughter's gonna get made fun of.

Speaker 1

And it just kind of has to look like shit a little bit at the beginning, you know, she.

Speaker 2

Has a makeover.

Yeah, you know, Ryan's gonna look on a little Okay, I'm gonna keep his arms covered so you don't see how skinny he is.

But he Like, here's the other thing about Ryan, which I mean you and I both know he lost like what four hundred us four hundred pounds.

I actually don't know how much pounds he lost, but it's like he now is should you put up a picture?

Speaker 1

I'm not going to hell kill me, No, no, no.

Speaker 2

I made It'll be four picture, I mean an after picture, like how skinny he is now?

Ryan like lost like I would say, one hundred fifty pounds, he's totally skinny now, but like he lived his life, he went through it so like he knows DA's journey.

So I felt it wasn't like I was hiring like a guy who's and also like sometimes you know, in our business, you gotta kind of like I found the creativity of finding like being like, you know what, He's gonna fucking nail it totally, and he's gonna be great, and we wanted to do it for our funny and he's so funny and as a woman, he's even funnier.

Yeah, and like he's like his mother.

Oh yeah, it's a little wonderful and scary and judgmental, but cares more than anyone, like wants the best for Ryan.

That's Tracy dream Like that's and then Tracy's relationship.

Speaker 1

So my god, you're such a director.

Oh am, I just directed my solo show.

He did, and then you like.

Speaker 2

Totally like went and did it without me.

I mean, I don't, I.

Speaker 1

Don't even I mean I just kept doing it and I'm going to do it for the last time on October eleven, right the last time, just because it's the last time, going to do it at that place in New York, right, I'm going to be there a half years, Marissa.

Speaker 2

In that place.

That hotel was, that hotel called they Hotel, the Yotel, Yotel, And I do like that space though, me too.

Speaker 1

It's good.

I like the piano.

I grew a lot, I learned a lot.

But now it's time to take a break and write a new show.

Speaker 2

And then do so you're going to do the show that I would like to.

Yeah, I know that show.

Speaker 1

Do you like that?

Speaker 2

I do now now that I know who it is.

Speaker 1

Do you like the idea?

Speaker 2

I'm not We're not going to say what it is.

He pitched an idea and literally I.

Speaker 1

Didn't know you were right.

You were like, do your life story right now?

Yes, that's what I needed to do, you to do, And I didn't even really do the full life story, like it just like little bits yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2

Yeah, songs, songs and bits and tits.

Speaker 1

Should we go eat these cakes?

Speaker 2

These cakes?

Speaker 1

I love you.

I won't keep you up any longer.

Okay, switch me no here.

Speaker 2

Okay, Oh my god, I just wanted the M and ms.

Speaker 1

Is this a Grover?

I don't know what Alphaba.

Speaker 2

Oh my god, it is Alphaba and this is the Wizard.

Speaker 1

John.

Are you good?

Speaker 2

I miss you?

Speaker 1

I am good.

Speaker 2

You're gonna I'm going back to New York.

I'm going to be in New York too in October.

Speaker 1

I know.

I feel like I'm gonna see you more now than I live in New York.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Yeah, it's easier to see people in New York and a like time just goes by.

Speaker 1

The idea of driving to the fucking valley at eight pm?

Speaker 2

Can I come too Thousand Oaks one pm?

That was so funny.

I was like, sure, come to a thousand Oaks.

Speaker 1

I would have I drove to like I already miss La.

I miss driving now that I have to leave it now?

Do you know anybody who wants to take over a lease of my car?

Do you know anybody who needs an apartment?

Yes?

Speaker 2

Sam, maybe maybe not the apartment, but maybe the leaves.

How long is your lease?

Speaker 1

Two more years?

It's under a year old.

It's such a great car.

I love it New York.

Speaker 2

I would like to drive it to New York.

Leave it at my house.

I got that house there.

Speaker 1

I can leave it at your house.

Speaker 2

Yes, what take cover on it, bring it to New York.

Speaker 1

But do I want to be five hundred dollars a month for a car and not can use for six months?

Six months?

I can keep it at your house.

Speaker 2

You could, it could live there.

I'll rent it for that one month.

I'll went to for October.

Drive it there for October, and I'll rent it for a thousand bucks for that month.

I need a car in October.

Speaker 1

Wait, are you serious?

Speaker 2

My car outside?

I brought my car from New York here.

Speaker 1

Wait, I will do literally.

Speaker 2

Leave it, put a cover on it.

You'll be so happy.

Speaker 1

Okay, we'll discuss it.

Speaker 2

Then it only takes like an hour like train ride to get there.

And then you can have a car and drive anywhere you want.

Like you want to go to Pee Town and stuff.

You could just drive there.

Speaker 1

Oh my god, I love my.

Speaker 2

I just do that, Just drive it across the country.

Speaker 1

I want my car.

Speaker 2

It can sit, it can be there in New York.

It just need a car at my house right now.

Because I brought my car here because my son started to drive in carp Yeah, it wasn't that much.

I shipped my car here with like.

Speaker 1

A twelve twelve, twelve hundred.

I did it was.

Speaker 2

Eleven hundred when I did it, it was I did it for nine hundred because they messed up twice.

Speaker 1

So I kept now, is this all your real hair?

Speaker 2

It's all my real hair.

Speaker 1

You're a liar, look at it.

When I first moved in with just a recap, we did Broadway together, I hope this looks great on camera.

Speaker 2

It doesn't I already I already know that I'm looking like this.

It would be like, oh my god, my netflis horrible.

Speaker 1

I'm gonna sit like this for the rest of After we did Broaday Mersay was so nice.

She was like, I need John Hill to come to the LA Company.

So I came out here and then, like in twenty sixteen, I was like, I had gone to rehabit.

It didn't work and I was relapsing, and I was like, I need a place to crash.

So I crashed here and then downward spiral for a.

Speaker 2

Well and then it was I mean COVID, but I also did had you told me you were coming here to rehab things.

Speaker 1

I didn't come here to I had already been to rehabit and it just was here.

No, it was too much been.

Speaker 2

In that house.

Speaker 1

It got bad here.

Speaker 2

I don't have it anymore.

Speaker 1

Actually, we're all out of I would never.

Speaker 2

No, I meant to tell all the viewers that.

Speaker 1

Oh sure, yeah yah yeah, No, no, no.

Speaker 2

I don't have any anymore.

Speaker 1

No, I I am over four and can you believe that it'll be five years.

Speaker 2

I haven't even gotten that long without diet coke.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

No, I am every day shocked.

I can't believe.

Speaker 2

That's why you're still here.

Speaker 1

I'm alive.

Speaker 2

No, that's literally why you're alive.

Like I'll even look this way to have this conversation knowing what what this is going to look like this way, I'm going to just but then I look like this, It's fine.

No, you'd be dead, so like, thank god, Yeah, that's real happy.

Speaker 1

It's easy to stay sober because I know how bad it was, and I know what it would be like if I did go and like dabble in your clanate bin.

It wouldn't be just that, it would be I'd be like, oh, well, now I need to go and do a bunch of kind And I don't think we should.

Speaker 2

Be talking about now.

If my mouth is watering for my clonabin, I don't think we should be talking about let's go.

Speaker 1

Get the hot tip.

I love you.

Speaker 2

Oh my god, can we let's go?

Oh my god, I'm going to eat this.

We're so tired.

Speaker 1

Okay, bye.

Thank you so much for joining us.

That was really fun.

Please follow Marissa on all her stuff, go see Hairsprain Thousand Oaks and follow me John Arthur Hill on Instagram and everything.

Andy and I are back this week.

Well, I guess we were back next week.

We were back last week, but we are.

We are back live.

And then I moved to New York.

So if you have any if you have anyone in LA who needs a desk, I can't take that.

I can't fit this desk there.

If you have anybody in LA who wants a chair, a deer head, Oh, I guess I can take the deerhead if they can move it.

See my mind is only thinking about moving now.

I'm fried, so pray for my serenity.

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