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I'm Ashley Coffin, I'm.

Bill Bria, and I'm Mark Kucshia.

And I'm pretty sure this was the coolest episode of Stranger Things, like almost ever.

I mean, this, this goes that last sequence of this goes up against the Eddie Munson thing.

I think that Eddie Mounson guitar solo is the coolest scene of the series still so far.

But this episode is right up there.

Agreed.

Yeah, No, it's it's pretty much the Yeah, obviously, when they're doing these Netflix mandated I assume it's Netflix mandated you know, half seasons where they have one half and that the other half and all that.

They obviously are sort of playing to it.

And so even though this is not a season finale or a series finale or anything of that nature, they knew this was gonna be the last one that people were watching for a month or so.

So yeah, I think that they really pulled out all the stops and they were building the first half of the season's arc to this this climax, and that's why it's just really really satisfying.

Absolutely absolutely.

Stranger Things is always great for the cliffhangers that make you want to keep watching, and you know, without getting getting ahead of ourselves, they really pull out all the stops in this one in that regard.

Yeah, So the episode starts off kind of what we were saying about Derek being kind of the new little star of this show.

When he he power forwards through Joyce, through everybody, just like you kidnapped me.

He's so funny, and Joyce is like, no, it's for your own good mister Whats it's a bad guy.

You know, we we're trying to help you.

And of course he does not believe them, his whole family, which do we know what ends up happening to his family.

I don't think we ever get back to that tied up He ate two pieces of pie, but still was able to come out of that drunk stupor, which is very funny.

Uh yeah, and he you know, he actually gets one over on all of them except for I love when Eric is like, let's go dipshit, try us, so funny and then he climbs the sumara, steps up to the loft in the uh in the barn, and pushes the the ladder down.

I'm like, damn, kid, you got some survival skills.

I don't think I would have known to do all.

Yeah, for a chunky little guy.

He's pretty agile, so.

We don't get to see a lot of him at school, just a few bits.

But did you guys read the fact that, like I thought it, maybe trying to cut him is like I guess maybe one of the school bullies.

Oh yeah, he was binning Holly around on the uh Merry go around and not like stopping.

So yeah, he was kind of a bully.

But they all call him like dipshit Derek, So I feel like it goes He seems like one of those people who they don't care what people say about them, which is a whole different elevated place to be as a kid in that age.

So I'm just possibly in my head like maybe he's got a little bit of those physical skills from like you know, whatever is going on in gym class or you know whatever, like you know, because of his kind of I don't know what you'd call it, like, yeah.

You get you know, yeah, you gotta you gotta you gotta be pretty, you know, physically uh capable in order to really bully kids.

In my experience, yeah.

I mean he was powerful.

Speaking of powerful, I mean the demon Gorgan pretty much immediately smashes through the door and Derek realizes, oh, I think I made a mistake, and you know, Joyce just grabbing that axe and she's like, let's go.

Yeah, and she's she's wieling that acts pretty well.

I was watching her movements.

I was like, Okay, somebody's been learning, because she's probably been working with Hopper too.

I mean, you gotta be ready.

But she was really gonna, you know, I was.

That was the first time I was like really worried for Joyce because we just saw the other parents get taken out, and I'm like, oh my god, we know that nothing stops these nothing.

We just saw that one get through every booby trap, every gunshot, and all you have is this axe.

But the thing it was like, oh mom energy and started.

Yeah, yeah, well it's cool because like Joyce and also just within Nona Writer as an actress, isn't someone who is like she's not I'm trying to think of an appropriate person to compare.

I could probably think of some better friend more time, but I'm just thinking of like Charlie's their own or Angelina Jolie, who you know, in their older years as you know, playing moms like you you see them ready to you know, to get into fight mode and it's like, yeah, they're they're gonna like throw throw hands whatever.

And Winona's never been necessarily like an action heroin person, so it's kind of great to see her in this mode just you know, be so fierce.

And this is like the first moment of the episode, which is parallel with the moment at the end of the sort of just Joyce stepping up to the plate and ready.

To throw it down.

And it's yeah, it's not even like, you know, oh yeah, she's definitely gonna win.

It's just more like she's that's she can't make another choice.

Yeah, absolutely gonna fight to save her kids.

Yeah, And before we get too far past it, we do get our last best glimpse of dipshit Derek when he when he scuttles up those that ladder and tells Robin to suck his fat one.

She goes, yeah, that was a chef's kiss little scene, because even if there is a you know, uh extra dimensional monster coming to uh tear you apart.

If a nine year old tells you to suck his fat one, that is gonna take you aback a little bit.

I think, Yeah, especially when he's dressed like Rainbow Bright.

Yeah yeah, he definitely.

He definitely looks like somebody who'd be on the Willy Wonka tour.

Uh yeah.

Augustus group meets Mike TV.

So as Joyce kind of forces the demy Gorgan out, we got very lucky because Steve Jonathan and everybody shows up.

Well that's what we There's something going on there.

There's something going on because when it gets hit, all of a sudden, Will goes down and does his little spousals because they're all high mind us and that.

But I love that they hit the thing with that car and still didn't break that antenna is not going anywhere on the top of that beamer.

It is there, but the Denmark gorgon choices.

It is confusing to me because like that thing could have killed everybody if it wanted to.

Will was taken out, So why did that?

I don't understand why it turned and ran, which was really cool because it makes the hole in the like the grain.

I don't work on the farms.

Yeah, a silo, and I love Steve.

Steve's like, we could do it, we could go in there, and I was like, what do you mean you can go in there?

How are you going to get back out?

But you know, okay, so that doesn't seem to be a problem.

Here's here's a bill beef.

Here's a bill beef.

And I was ready for this because it just got me so excited, and it didn't happen.

Steve has this whole speech and because they have like this early planted reference in the think the first episode of the season where Steve's into peanut butter boppers, which was awesome snack from that time period, which I think got discontinued pretty quickly.

I think it only lasted a couple of years.

It wasn't even didn't even go into the nineties.

But I have a sort of fond baby memory of them.

And I know that this show Stranger Things has done the Lord's work in the past of trying to revise or revitalize old eighties things, you know, to come back.

And I think they've even brought back New Coke for like a second, really too, right, A couple of years ago, yeah, or something like that.

It was a contest thing you had to like win it and whatever, but like it technically happened.

So where they have all these stranger things labeled products in the grocery store right now?

Where are the brought back peanut butter boppers?

Huh?

Why can't we just make those?

I think ers again, it's a huge play point in this show.

People would buy them.

So I'm just gonna say, I don't know who's in charge of peanut butter boppers, but you guys missed the book on this one.

Okay, Bush is back in the top forty.

Why can't get peanut.

Butter boppers back?

We could bring peanut butter boppers back, is what I'm saying.

Yeah, Yeah, I.

Thoughts on peanut butter boppers.

Mark, I'm available.

I think it's uh, I call my agent.

I think it's interesting because Steve says the thing he makes the uh, the peanut butter bopper uh comparison Parrison talking about the.

About the rift.

But I also think it could it could also be like what I was thinking in that moment is like maybe that's kind of like how the how the demo organs are too, Like, you know, they just beat the ship out of this thing and set it on fire, and maybe that kind of like takes down if you're a D and D player, get rid of its damage reduction, you know what I mean.

So, like if it's like basically vulnerable to like bullets and and and whatever else except fire, maybe when you hit it with that fire, it's weakened.

Maybe that's part of the reason it runs away.

Maybe that's part of the reason that Hopper can just like cut its arm off with the Conan sword.

Uh you know.

Yeah, yeah, because it's hit points.

Interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I always thought it was like if you had to hit it in the mouth or something, but it doesn't seem to matter.

It kind of it's weird.

It's weird, and we learn a hell of a lot more that they know a lot more about how to like stop these things, because you know, when we get into the base with Hopper and IW always see that they have some of it contained, which is why when we get to the end, one of my little gripes is why doesn't everybody have flamethrowers when you know this is the problem.

It is weird that the military, with other tests and everything experimentation, Like, did you guys realize that fire is pretty good?

They should have a rack of I mean Landon knows, Yeah, they should have a rack of flamethrowers and a rack of wine bottles, and that's what they should be grabbing to fight this way.

Wine.

Yeah, yeah, I can help them with the wine bottles to be empty, right.

Like that.

But yeah, Steve, you know, gunning it at the uh.

The influence of Nancy and Jonathan and Dustin is pretty great.

Well, he wanted to do it.

Everybody else did know.

Nancy his little girlfriend's like do it.

Yeah.

The support is what I mean in terms of reluctantly.

They're like Jesus Christ.

But then they get through and they're driving around step and Dustin.

Now this is where it does get a little annoying.

I'm like, Steve, Steve, watched the road.

Steve, Steve, Steve, watch the road.

And then they smashed the car into the gross wall and it is now stuck.

So they call Hopper and l they're getting ready to infiltrate the building and they're like, but by the way, we're here, can you like come get us?

And they're like all right, well, we'll just kind of stay there.

We got something to do.

And then I was like, listen, I timed out the thunder.

I'm jumping over this wall.

We've been training for this.

I'm going to do it.

And he's like, I hate this, but go ahead, real dad energy, Like why did you what did you think was going to happen with all this hopper?

But yeah, no, L does it with the with style.

Well the first time, yeah, my head, I was like, why are you landing on the buildings in your socks?

Why don't you just jump over and land on the ground.

I don't know, I'm not trying to just same for the grass I mean whatever they call it in the Upside.

Sag.

But and then it's like, oh you you over, You miscounted your own rule just for some drama.

And then yeah, she kills that guy like it was nothing.

Yeah sorry.

Yeah.

So they get in and like immediately they turn on that Sonic Blaster theme, which of course they did.

I don't know why they didn't think that they were ready for her.

Yeah, I gotta say like this, remember how when we were recording our episode for I believe the first episode of the season, I was like, oh, you know, I really like Little Hamilton and this.

You know, she seems very pragmatic, very you know, down to earth, you know, take no nonsense, and maybe she's gonna be kind of reasonable.

And then in this one, I'm like, oh, she's evil as hell.

She So their plan is to get all the kids.

They're they're pretending like it's to protect them, but it is just bait and I love that not not officers ship face.

But the other one was just like random officer was like hey, uh.

It kind of reminded me of the guy in Batman.

Was like, hey, Tequin, maybe we shouldn't be doing this with children.

It's a lot.

It's a lot.

But she turned her.

I liked how she was like, well, isn't it your job to protect them?

I thought, that's why you were here.

You need to go protect those kids or you're not doing your job.

So if the kids get taken, that's your fault.

Yep, what logic.

I was like, damn okay.

So yeah, I mean and so I have another little tiny gripe with kind of well, we'll close this little section up with Elle and Hopper like they go in, Linda comes after them, Hopper's got the thing around his neck.

She's telling us everything we already know, cold and heat, cold and heat, which is why it's a little messed up.

Elle stops her kind of I was like, Oh, why wouldn't you stab her in the neck instead of like the fat of the arm.

I get that we need this character around for a little longer, but you know, I thought it was great that doctor k kicks her.

Ask yeah, and then Hopper kind of kicks her ass, and that was great.

And then we have to, for the four hundred and seventeen millionth time, deal with the Hopper's going to kill him so for sacrifice.

I'm so sick of it.

If it actually happens at the end of the show, I am not going to care.

How many times have we Like, I'm so sick of him just doing it and setting that up.

I'm gonna blow myself up now.

I agree with you, and I think that I'm the opposite.

If it does happen, I am going to care because because I feel like they've played this card so many times that to just eventually do it feels anticlimactic almost, because it's like, Okay, well, if it was the first time, you're doing it great because that you know, is all the drama and has all the emotion and all that thing.

But they've played it multiple times through multiple seasons, and it's kind of like, all right, at this point doing it feels lazy, you know.

But yeah, but I do think that, yeah.

Yeah, he's going to blow himself up.

He's going to go in to see the Vecna thing, and if it is Vecna, he's going to blow himself up.

With the door.

Well, so my take on this is up until the reveal, I agree with you guys, but I think like when it was when it was revealed that he was kind of just using it as a like giving her an out.

Then it was he was and like he I think he knew that she wasn't going to like try and escape, but he was giving her the chance to get out.

And that's why we have that little flashback of his daughter and so like when when it was like, all right, he's not actually just being the you know, getting ahead of himself, blow himself up guy.

He's just giving her a chance to leave if she wants to.

And he really knows in his heart of hearts that she's not going to uh so, then he can turn off the the the plot device of whatever it is that we have the superpowered person.

What can we do to like make the story interesting?

Oh, take their powers away for a while, right yeah.

No, no, no, no, use the use the wavy thing.

That'll do it.

Yeah, that's the same thing in every Hulk and X Men movie.

You gotta get the collars and the wavy thing in there.

At some point, gotta get the collars.

And I will say, as much as the show has played the card as I was just saying of you know, Popper's gonna die, He's definitely dead this time, I think it is consistent with his character.

I do appreciate that, at least, you know, in terms of like, yes, that is what he would do.

It's just the show being like, he's definitely gonna die now, it's like come on, yeah.

And I think it is because this is the final season, you know.

I think you know, like in that when when when Joyce is waving the axe, I think a lot of us are thinking.

Is this it for Joyce?

Is it?

Yeah?

And I think like so far, like when any whenever a character has been in serious perils, so far in this episode, I am thinking this could be it, This could be it for.

Them, this could be it.

Yeah, and a lot of people get to put in that checkmate position as we move through this episode.

So okay, just to finish this out, he doesn't blow himself up.

He turns off the noise and he opens the door, says nothing kind of is like, go ahead, go ahead and say for yourself, girl.

And finally we get back to number eight and I'm not gonna lie.

Right before she went and I go, oh, oh, it's definitely what's her face?

Because they had to.

Everybody was so pissed that nobody ever brought that up again.

But it didn't hit me until right when she was walking in.

I go, oh my god, oh god, it's the number.

It's the number one that's missing.

Yeah, me too, because as we were talking about on the last episode that we just recorded, I was really taken with this idea that, oh, what if the military do have veechna And it's a sort of you know, I guess Loki in the Aventures thing of like allowed himself to be captured whatever, But really his whole plan was, you know, I could actually use this whatever device in the military base to expand my powers and bring these kids in psychically or whatever.

So I was kind of on that track already, and yes, this was a good turn of like, oh, actually no, it's this old person that we all.

Recall, yeah season two.

Yeah, yeah, I think I was.

I was in the same boat as you actually of just being like as soon as it like cut up to I mean maybe a couple of seconds after your realization.

As it was like cutting up, I was like, oh no.

Wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh yeah, yeah it's sir.

But uh yeah, yeah, I thought.

I thought it was a great reveal.

Great reveal, great reveal.

I love that whole moment.

But jumping back a little bit to do another variation on the Mark thinks he's smart in the scene where where Robin is is talking about the plan to tunnel under and like then, you know, we were there, we were at Katie's parents for thanks there Katie's moms for Thanksgiving, and uh, you know, so we there was the occasional interruption, and at that point there wasn't an eruption, and then like I heard the I heard the music from The Great Escape, and I was like, oh.

That's the music from the Great Escape.

Oh, she's talking about the Great Escape, like ready to tell me that's from the Great Escape.

And then we remound it and she was like, have you guys seen the Great Escape?

And I was like, I'm a bit yeah.

The Tom Dick and Harry Yeah.

Yeah, I was like never y yeah, never mind.

Yeah.

Well, even to stay on that, I thought that that the scene before there where we had been saying that Robin and Will we're gonna be the one.

Robin was going to be the one to have the hot heart with Will to kind of be like, you need to get out of your own head.

You know, you aren't just the person that you're crushing on, which we all went through that like that.

Everybody's had that person.

I'm sure that they were crushing on and you felt like your whole world was over and high school because they didn't like you and you couldn't tell them whether you're gay or straight.

You know, we've all jointly had that.

It is much harder, you know, when you are in love, in kid love with someone of yours, you know, same sex, when they didn't talk about stuff like that in the eighties.

So I thought it was a really beautiful written scene the way that Robin explained it to him, which is when it comes back in the end.

I thought that was I thought the end of this was brilliant, but that that scene was really great until it wasn't when they had that fake laugh.

Oh.

I hated that.

I was like, you ruined, You're bad acting.

You guys are the actors are too old to have that.

It was a little strange, but I will say I hated it.

Yeah.

I think everything you just said is absolutely true in terms of like that season's really really tender in its approach to, you know, a topic that, like we said, we all of us have experienced some form or another, and it could have been just a really cloying, you know, uhy sort of non and so I'm like, okay, it's good time to have a heart to heart very special episode of Stranger Things whatever, and instead age it really conforms to both characters, and it feels right for for who they are and where they're at.

And also, as you were saying, like it sets up, you know, the end brilliantly, and so it just really feels part part.

Really you couldn't have this episode without that yeah scene, you know, And I think that that's really great.

It also did make me think of, like, how much more affectionate that talk is than did you guys ever see the kids in the Hall movie?

Not recently, it's been a long.

Time police therapist talking to Scott Thompson's character who he's like because okay, everyone knows it.

Oh yeah yeah yeah.

Just thinking of that as like she could go on that route and she didn't.

Yeah, it did.

It made me think back to I think it's episode two of this season?

Is it where where where Will sees Robin and her girlfriend kissing?

And then yeah, Noah Schnap has a goofy run man that is a goofy, goofy run when he like, it's just our limbs all over the places.

He like, drops that coke and runs down that.

Hole baby giraffes.

Looks like he's being chased by bees, baby giff.

But not to not to steal your stick here, Ashley, but in this episode, maybe the thing that I liked least about this episode, which is not saying a lot, because I liked almost everything about this episode is the kids subplot, Like there was enough kids for me.

I like Derek a little bit too much.

Derek I like the evolution of Derek's character.

I love Derek's g I Joe Lunchbox, but it was a little bit too much kids for me.

I can't watch Darry right now because I just it's too many kid groups, kid gangs, and I can't I have I need separation.

I already don't enjoy children as it is, so like was watching Derek the first couple, and I like Darry, but it's not I also feel cheated by that.

I thought that Darry was supposed to be about penny Wise, not another kid gang of screaming children.

I'm sure maybe we'll get there, but I need a break because it's just too many, too many kids.

Yeah, I only watched I will say definitely stick to it because I think that, Yeah, Derry just keeps getting better for me.

I think, yeah, I only watched like the first two or three episodes.

Well, we just watched Black Phone too, and I thought we turned it off before it was over.

I thought it was the worst thing ever.

I wouldn't be for you if you're not.

Yeah, yeah, so did you like that one?

It's okay, okay, so we'll see if I like Dery.

No, I think Derry gets much.

I know what black Phone Doo is.

So I think that Derry.

I think that first.

Episode of Darry uh non stop killing kids, and that that was well.

I was like, get them all, get them all?

Why are you leaving any of them alive?

And then there's a whole new gang they bring more in and I'm like, oh my god.

I should watching that.

You missed one.

Come on, come on, get it together, dude, get it together.

Get your head in the game.

You know, I know it's not fun anymore.

Skin lamps and kill these kids.

So also this episode, the title Sorcerer.

I thought it would be about, well, there is.

A double meaning there.

I think I've never seen the movie Sorcerer, but I know people love it.

Oh really, it's its own little thing.

You're talking about William Free.

Yeah, yeah, I would assume.

So can we make it.

The of the of the George Cluso filmed the Wages of Uh and yeah, there's not a lot of overlap in this episode.

In that story, which is about hauling trucks full of nitric glycering across a evil.

You know, well they haul kids for a little while.

That's true.

That's true.

See I figured that out, and I haven't even seen the movie Kids Boom.

Yeah, okay, all.

Right, Well there's a lot of cars driving around in the upside down.

Actually, there's a lot of bombs going off.

There's a lot of gas and hopper that one blows himself up almost twice.

What was your other meaning, Mark, sorcerer?

Sorcerer?

For those of you who remember the first episode of our review of this show's fifth season, I said that there was another D and D thing that they got wrong, and that is this right, this was it.

Will, Mike says to Will, You're not like a wizard, You're more like a sorcerer because your powers are innate.

And this season takes place in nineteen eighty seven.

The sorcerer as a class was not introduced until third Edition, which came out in two thousand.

Yeah.

Yeah, before you're like.

Well, maybe they're going by the original meaning of sorcerer, No, No, sorcerer was just another word for wizard back in the day.

They were all interchangeable.

The class came out in two thousand, So unless in this alternate universe that this takes place in, the rules were different.

Yeah, I was gonna say, Mark, I I unfortunately the Hawkins tobacco is not real.

You know, the upside down doesn't exist, and you know Eleven is not a real person, so it's you know it really maybe do you bill?

Maybe to you they're not real that continuity.

No, when you have a show that's based around D and D like that and it's supposed to be you know, D and D positive, I don't know what you need to get facts like that, right.

Yeah, as you know, this is very D and D positive show.

Positive.

It brought it back to the mainstream.

You gotta be right.

I feel like something we covered recently for bat there was something that was like that didn't even come out yet when I can't remember what it was, but I remember recently talking about it and being like that wasn't a thing yet.

But you know, I understand why that would upset you.

Yeah.

Yes, So jumping over to the mac stuff before we get to like the ending.

So Max and Holly are running through this thing.

They find out that she's been living in a canyon, which doesn't make any sense to me, and he's afraid to go in there.

So we're finding out that there is something that Vecna is definitely afraid of.

He is not the one pulling the strings, do we.

I guess it's we think it's the mind flare, whoever that being is, is the real evil being of the Upside Down.

Because Henry was just a person, he was just a number.

I thought we were to infer that Henry slash Vacna is the mind flaw in the sense that it is everything's happening, every creature is under his direction.

I think he might be like the first boss before the end boss that you fight, because there's Max specifically being like he was afraid to come in here.

Yeah, the cave thing.

I don't know what that means.

There might be, there might be.

I took it as like there's a revelation that we're going to get in the second half of the season of a memory, an incident that happened in that cave to Henry, and who knows.

What so well be.

However, I spoke to my friend, shout out my buddy, Robert Manielo, Queens, New York.

If you're if you're in a story by Robert Drink.

He has seen the first shadow the play, and he was telling me, I'm gonna try and I'll do a little little synopsis without too much giveaway.

I won't tell you how it ends because I don't know.

Yeah, but in the play, we we we see like how deep the history of Hawkins and the Upside Down is so.

Uh.

It starts with a the USS Eldridge, a a Navy ship being transported to the upside Down, which is also the plot of The Final Countdown, Thanks Bill.

Basically, uh and uh.

While there, the crew gets attacked by a demo gorgan.

Uh.

There's one survivor.

That survivor doctor Brenner's father.

He comes back and his blood type has changed.

They run a bunch of tests on him.

Uh, you know, blood tests, other h I don't know, cognitive tests, I don't know, what is it?

Camera, microwave dog horse.

I did really well.

Uh.

And then these test materials get stolen and someone hides them in a cave on the outskirts of Hawkins.

It just so happens that the Creole family is vacationing in Hawkins.

And what does young Henry Creole like to do?

Frickin, go mess around in caves and get infected by stolen test materials.

Then he starts getting under the influence of the upside Down when uh.

And then meanwhile, I guess they stay there and he ends up going to Hawkins.

Igh, forgive me if I'm uh not getting all this correct.

This has been telephoned to me by my buddy Rob, and he starts.

Uh dating Patty Newby, Bob Newby's sister.

And uh, but as we've seen in the flashbacks before in the show, young Henry starts like killing animals and basically doing serial killery stuff, and Bob Joyce and Hopper are investigating these murders or of these killings if you're a peta person, murders of these.

Animals, while uh.

Patty is trying to help Henry fight the influence, and also Hopper and Nancy are doing a play which we see in that brief moment when uh.

When yeah, when Mexico going back to the memories.

And we see young joy because that was I think that was winning a writer's voice, but the different actress, yes, totally, and.

They brings right over that, and it's like, I guess you're supposed to know, like, oh, you better just sold the play, because I was like, wait a minute, did nobody ever bring up that?

Vecna Hopper.

Everybody's parents went to school together.

So it turns out they were the literal Yeah, that was that is they had their.

Dogs is my buddy Rob's.

He said, you know, if you get the opportunity to go see the show, he loved it.

He said it was the best uh like staging of a show he's ever seen.

And he's a real Broadway nerd.

He goes to see everything.

I said, it was one of the most impressive like stagings he's ever seen.

But his problem was, like, all this stuff happens and then at the end everyone forgets because like you know, otherwise.

I'm telling you if that's what happens with this, because we were talking about it, if if they do that, it was all a dream and like all the Dan d game kind of thing, pissed, pissed.

Everybody forgets intentionally in the sense that like there's a like a supernatural.

Yeah, I think there's a supernatural reason.

I think there's a supernatural reason for their forgetting.

It's not the end of the sphere where they all decide to forget, but I think it is a.

Yeah.

I don't know how it is explained in the play because I don't want to give I don't want to give away too much, and I can't because I don't know.

But yeah, otherwise, like you know, that would be the thing of like everyone, Oh wait, wait a minute, remember remember that years.

Ago when all this shit happened before it's happening again.

Yeah, I'm sure it's only gonna get worse when we have all these spinoffs series.

Yeah, I really hope they don't do that.

I know that they were planning on it, but it's like, I.

Mean, if you're gonna do nineties or something, do something.

Don't don't go back and do more prequels, you know, don't try and explain prequels.

Just give us, give us, give us a nineties.

Well, speaking of memories, that's kind of what we were doing with Max, and we saw that she actually almost got out again.

But if it wasn't for the goddamn mixtape ending or for the tape, it was so close.

Yeah, it was so close.

So my biggest criticism of this episode is this Max runner because of two reasons.

One is I really poor Sadie saying just being saddled with endless exposition that she just has to ply at Holly, and I do think that they could have and the Duffer brothers, I believe directed this episode.

I think they could have.

Handled that better and they have in the past in terms of just more I don't know, montages, something that seed other than just literally the two of them in the cave room talking to each other.

That feels just sort of like, okay, like she has to do all this out, but like God, there could have been a better way of doing it.

Yeah, and I thought it was crazy to find out she died.

Yeah, No, it's there was good stuff in there in terms of like the reasoning of like where she's been all this time, what happened to her and that whole thing.

I feel like we just weren't being shown a lot of it.

It was just blah blah blah blah blah.

And I do I was so sure when we were seeing like the portal with Lucas holding her hand in the hospital room, and that she was almost there and she was about to get in there and she could feel his hand.

All that stuff is really lovely.

I thought that she was about to see Holly being taken by back and be like, you know what, I need to stick around to help out sort of thing.

And it was more her decision to stay around and not just oops, the team stopped, you know.

I you know, I tend not to make criticisms of like I would have rather done this thing, but that thing just feels like to me, them leaning on something from season four that was so popular that I kind of feel like we need to move past to this point.

I get this part of her character, but like, maybe she likes another Kate Bush song.

Yeah, I felt like that kind of was giving us like because that's such an out and you're like, oh, you could just play the song to get her out, But back then the tapes did run out, and if the music stopped, you had nothing to follow.

So that kind of got her more lost as not going to being able to get back to that like main hub area where you can get out, because it seems like you can only get out from his like home base, wherever that is where he has all the kids with the shit or the thing in their mouth of suckers.

It seems like it's only in that place that Will drew beautifully and quickly on the barn wall.

Oh yeah, yeah, And I like the it's like where they're in there dealing with the psychological struggle.

We have Will on the outside doing like the physical struggle struggles, so like you can kind of see everything's building towards this one thing.

And I think it's kind of cool that Vecna has a bund like different places where people are kind of like infiltrating and trying to get him.

Because now we have three four peep to it, two groups in the upside down, two groups on the outside, plus Marian Robin, which was the team up.

I can't wait to see more of because as we were talking about when everybody splits up, like we really split up and we'd like jangle groups up in this one.

Like I thought that was really cool.

But yeah, I mean I'm interested to see what happens.

I hope they get out sooner than there's they stay in there because it's kind of boring inside the inside the safe space.

Yeah yeah, And I do like the idea of Holly kind of having to go back in as the double agent, you know, yeah.

Yeah, oh yeah, She's like go back in there and a we better tighten them pigtails, turn around and get back in there.

Girl, you better put on a performance because he can't.

Another another Mark ar Kusha D and D Consultant Thing Love Love that Many that that that miniature that that Holly has, that will that Mike.

Gave her that I have mine from the first game I ever played.

I was a fire savant and she's got a little hand and she's got a little book and I still have it and I love it.

It's not painted or anything.

I like it.

Okay, okay, yeah, yay.

Hey her name was Sortia because of course it was so you can make her look just like that.

Of course.

So yeah, like you were saying that the plan that you didn't like, uh, the the military has all the kids, so everybody's our group's plan is to borrow through the tunnels that we know are there, get the kids out through the bathroom without anybody checking, and Derek is going to run this whole thing.

And I did love when Joyce was like, and just remember you're not Derek, dipshit your Derek.

I can't remember what they said, delightful and I was like, oh and he really like I thought that kid did such a great job.

And there are the other kids whatever.

But the way he's like leading a like class, like we're going to breathe in and out.

He's like, this is what my mom does when she runs on a pallium.

I mean, Derek, uh for whatever, however long it takes, like twenty minutes or whatever, he starts as yeah, cult, he.

Literally starts a cult, the cult of mister Watson.

Mister what's we're going to meditate together?

And then when I tell you you're going to go to the bathroom to climbate.

To a hole.

Yeah, that is very culty.

God, it was very cult to the woman who was there like corraling the kids with the glasses.

That was the Duffer Brothers high school drama teacher that they put in there because she's the one who they were like high school sucked, but she was the one who encouraged and pushed us to continue what we were doing and to to move to La and and everything.

So they put her as that part.

And I just love that so much.

That makes me so happy.

So as doesn't it kind of works that Robin gets a couple of the kids out with Lucas behind them.

Of course, the pipes burst, which didn't make any sense to me because they weren't near the pipes.

But we needed something and somehow Mike, Will and Derek were able to hold off I don't know, five three to five full grown men not in the water because the whole thing was flooded, and.

Two of the skinniest young men on the planet.

We're in the water in like two inches of water on tile floor.

But they held enough subconsciously.

Oh there you go, there you go.

Yeah, that's all.

They could do that.

I don't know why Joyce didn't run.

I guess because her her kid was there, so she stayed.

But uh yeah, So Lucas and two kids get away, Robin and two kids get away, and they make it all the way back to Murray.

And then that's when oh, Linda, doctor k had sent that one military guy I don't like to the Hawkins base where the kids were, to kind of keep an eye, which they've rebuilt the entire city of Hawkins on a sound stage, and I think it just looks fabulous.

I my little Techima.

I wish I could have been a part of building that set and all of the things that went into it.

I thought it was so cool.

Then we see, you know, Vecna has sent the Demo organs, and now we have like a ridiculous amount of Demi organs coming through to kind of get the kids.

Murray's truck He's like, I put egg carton down for the kids so that they're comfortable.

Yep.

Hey, it turned out to be useful against when the truck top they needed it.

Uh.

And then I, well, you know what, We're going to take a break, and then we're going to get back to the riveting mid conclusion of Stranger Things episode four.

We'll be right back and we're back, all right, shit hits the fan.

Everything gets really crazy.

We turned into a complete action movie at this point because the demic gorgans.

There's like four of them at the base.

There's three of them after Robin and Murray, there's two of them after Lucas, and you are worried for literally everyone.

Yeah.

No, the episode really does set up these high stakes of like, okay, there's no way they can possibly fight off all of these demic organs at the same time.

Yeah, this is another film and TV trope, not one that bothers me as much as some others, but.

Like of.

Random military guys just keep shooting.

It's like bissage the bullets.

God damn it, private you keep shooting those ineffectual bullets.

Shot that otherworldly monster or so help me, Like they just like keep going, keep going, keep going.

It's not working, keep going.

Everybody should have flamethrowers.

They didn't bring out the flamethrower to the end, and that still didn't do much.

Yeah, yeah, you would think it would do a little bit more.

You see, might kind of step into this protective mode where he's protecting all the kids.

Wills like as everybody else list as they're getting burned.

I guess the flame floorer throwers worked for a second because that gave everybody like a beat.

And I love when Robin's like, what happened?

He's Very's like, I don't know, but I love it.

I know this probably surprises everyone because everyone thinks I would do so well in the military.

But if I was one of those random guys shooting these monsters, first clip runs out, I'm putting my gun down and leaving, like.

You get a bowl to them.

Everyone support overlords.

You know what you can take these kids.

Let me hear you out, like hear you out.

Yeah, you know, a full thirty rounds into this thing.

It's it's just shrugging it off and ripping my friends apart.

I'm gonna stop.

Yeah, what I was saying about the shotgun I had to take back because they brought out a fifty cow on the back of the humpy and it didn't do anything.

It didn't do anything, and I was like, okay, you can't have a sold off shotgun doing more damage than a fifty cow.

What's But I was like, you know what, you guys, this seem is so cool.

You can keep doing whatever you're doing.

And I don't really like kids, but I didn't care for the way that the military was kind of bullying and pushing the kids around before anything kind of happened.

Yeah, yeah, was that, But yeah they were nice, those kids.

But it a little jumping back a little bit here, Derek the Delightful had had a lovely Ripley moment where it was like just speaking so precociously.

I mean, I forget exactly what he says.

It is something to the effect of like, sir, I see, I've seen what you have here, and I've seen what these monsters can do, and there is they will rip you apart.

Like it was.

That was a great, very very aliens Ripley speech.

We are all going to die, going to die.

I really did appreciate, uh, you know, I know that it's sort of I don't know.

I guess standard almost for a prestige TV series to do a crazy won or you know, one shot thing.

But during that long one shot of the battle, when the battle breaks out in the base and everything like that, I was thinking of saving Prevate Russ.

Oh yeah, And I was a little bit like, yeah, this is a little bit you know, sort of the Siege of Hawkins sort of thing.

And it's something that I think has been not necessarily set up, but I guess threatened throughout the series of like, hey, what if these things, you know, broke into the real world en mass you know, which they haven't really all the time done yet, even though we've had you know, almost apocalyptic.

Finales for every season.

It feels like and yeah, it did feel you know, appropriately chaotic of you know, yeah, if these things do commit a you know, coordinated frontal assault, we're so.

Yeah sort of thing.

Yeah, and I think it, you know, it's uh, it speaks to the culmination of the series so far of like the end of season four being like all right, all bets are off now, like this is no holds barred, this is like and like they are delivering on like some real crazy shit going down of Yeah, like you say, a full front of a full assault on precinc thirteen over here.

And then when you think it can't get any worse, Vecna comes and I was thinking in my mind, I was like, okay, so only El, Nancy, and Max have actually seen him, right, maybe Lucas a little bit, but I don't think so no one else has actually physically seen him.

And then when he walks through that thing, I said, oh, Vecna, you look a little puffy, Yeah, little juice in juice in a little bit.

But yeah, I mean they definitely upped what he looked like a little bit more cgi.

I think he was a cow from the top up, but then the bottom was because you could now see through like his fines and you could see through his sides, and he looked a little bit more creepy, I guess.

Yeah.

And I really love the storytelling of We already talked about it as a development in the episode, but I love the inner cutting between the discovery of number eight in that room and yeah, the portal into the battle of like, oh that's where he is.

Oh.

It's confusing because you see El walking down the hallway the same time you see Beckna going through the same kind of triangle and I'm like, what's I was like, is it her?

Is it another hurt?

What's happening?

Yeah, oh it's number eight.

But they yeah, they confuse you a little bit of that in that scene, and then you know, he walks out and I wasn't expecting him to walk into the real world and be like, I'm dark Phoenix bitches and just start When he pulled those two guys grenade pins, I was like, that's harsh.

And then for a PG thirteen show, the way he put his little fingers through that guy's head and his eyeballs are sticking, I'm like, Okay, they're not using F bombs, so they're able to get away with a little bit more.

I think here, because that this whole that whole scene was not very PG thirteen to two Day's standards.

It was very eighties PG thirteen, So.

I was using every ounce of that.

It was surprisingly harsh, yeah, which is really great.

I mean those things were just ripping soldiers up and you're like, well, luckily they were dicks so you didn't care.

But again, it was what we were talking about, I think two episodes ago about the government like the government are you.

I am not a mother, right, I'm not letting anybody take my nine year old.

I don't care what you're saying.

You need to really like make me understand and what the like the government was saying did not.

I don't understand you're taking my kid.

Where I'm coming with.

The thing we have to understand is these are parents who voted for Reagan.

Yeah right, And maybe that's what we were saying before.

That's why I'm like, I'm not you know, I'm on their bed.

I do as you did, piggyback on what you said there, Ashley.

I really love the tweaks they made to Vecna's design, the grooty way that you can kind of see through his ten drills, and the little like shoulder spikes and the kind of implied crown on his head.

I was really digging it.

And yeah, he definitely looks like he's been hitting at HGH a little bit.

I was like, oh, oh, you know.

A lot of a lot of actors get ripped between seasons.

Sometimes cgi characters get ripped between seasons two.

I thought all of the where I have been a little harsh on the kids up till now and they're acting, because it is so hard to transition from being a child actor, Like when you're just a kid screaming and running around, I kind of believe you a little bit more than when you're like twenty trying to pretend to be that same kid.

And I think some of the acting from the older kids hasn't been great, but we're stuck with them and that's just what it is, so we have to get the best out of them.

And I've been a little harsh on will I thought this episode he really did a good job like screaming alone, having to scream that much throughout an entire thing and make it believable.

But then you know, like Vecna picks him up well when he starts coming for him, Joyce tries to get in his face.

I kind of wish that went a little longer, but he was just like ugh, wave of her hand and she went flying, and I got really nervous for her.

But I love even just a little bit without having seen the play.

I love the implication because of the flashback.

Memory that we see earlier in the episode of Like These People, you know, Joyce and Henry knew each other as kids, as as teens, and it's like, I think I even sent you guys a meme where somebody said, oh, this is a canonically accurate experience of meeting somebody.

Oh yeah when an adult.

Yeah, just like you know, the bizarreness of how life can change you over the years, and I think that is a theme of the show and it's great to see it externalized between you know, Mama Bear and this monster from Hell, which is kind of fun.

It's over two seconds, but yeah.

Yeah, and then he just kind of like again Dark Phoenix's will over to him to kind of talk shit and be like, thanks a lot, little boy.

Now I knew all you dumbass kids are going to make all of this possible because you're so easy to break, and you were the easiest, so I'm not even worried about you.

Bye.

I mean, he goes through the thing and then you know, the demo Gorgans are about to kill Mike kind of already got Lucas right, they scratched him, and then three of them were coming.

They got Murray and Robin.

The truck flipped over, so everybody's in really bad.

I bought that one is jumping claw out at Mike, and then it just stops in the air, and I said, oh my god.

I went back up to my notes from forty minutes ago that says Will's going to be able to croll control shit like Vecna.

I know it, and I'm not isn't exactly right.

But Will looking like Bruce Campbell's did, I, I thought, which is why the makeup really worked for me.

Listen as a little I've always wanted to be a villain.

I've learned to turn the doorknob.

That's what you do to to do that perfect turn the doorknob.

Will was tor turning all the doorknobs.

He stopped all of the demogorgans, saved all his friends, broke them up just like that with the eyes.

But he nailed that scene.

He didn't have to talk.

I thought he did a great job with his face, his movements.

I was very happy with it.

And yeah, Will now finally not the victim.

Yeah yeah, and you know, and going obviously carketing back to the whole Robin Will scene with you know, Robin telling the story of like watching an old whole movie of herself and sort of recognizing that old girl, but like recognizing how much you know.

She's changed.

How far she's come.

And I guess we can infer that, like you know, the whole movies that we see in that moment, our will just you know, remembering.

For himself home movies of himself that he's seen before.

But just having it as a little element is kind of cool, I think, and it really lends that moment all of the emotional weight that you want.

From it, and it really does.

I think it's a perfect encapsulation of why this show works because I think.

There's a lot of people online.

Again not to get into the discourse, but there's a lot of people that don't seem to understand why the show is popular and why people like it.

And you know, everyone to their own taste for sure, but I do think that this is a point that you could point a scene, you could point to and say, this is why, because you can have this really really incredible, you know, payoff moment, which is all you know, excitement and CG and you know, makeup and all this cool genre stuff, but it's rooted in this really deep character you know, build up and an arc that feels complete and feels true, and I think that you know, it just appeals in a way that genre people and non genre people can look at it the same way and go, oh, I get it, and it feels fulfilling.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.

I think it scratches so many itches for for us you know, nostalgia nerds, and they do it in such an excellent way.

And I also like the you know again speaking about the you know, the the kind of final moments of this episode where where you know, I thought it was great because again, like I was like, we're about to see at least one of these kids die.

I think I don't know how else they're gonna there.

And I was also having the thought that like Will is going to be able to do stuff now, but like not to such agree, but to see the way that he, you know, Will's brain has been an occupied territory for so long.

He's had this invading force in his brain and finally for him to use like the the the the the emotions that that has has had, that that has created that like you know, well not just the emotion but also like the flashbacks, but like having that occupying force in your mind for so long, having this unwelcome thing in your in your mind for so long, to finally turn that around and use it.

It was very satisfying to to finally fight back against that invader in his mind.

Yeah, I mean, like you said, traumatized.

You know, years of visions and years of being powerless and where everybody else kind of kind of what I was saying was bringing something to the table, except like and then under under that immense pressure, you know, you finally tap into that long latent connection to the upside down into the hive mind, and like the show finally celebrates that transformation and he becomes the sorcerer or the magician if we want to be accurate.

But yeah, it's like I always it always makes me think of the Adams Family values line when they're doing when they're at the camp and the ones like I'll play the victim and Wednesday's like your entire life, for all your life.

Well that's what I felt like Will was throughout this entire thing, just like always this problem, Like always you're getting taken in this you are always seeming to be at the center of all the issues.

Well, now he's going to be the one who can get them out.

And I'm like, this makes like the future.

I'm like, what are we going to do?

Because We always kind of thought it would be l versus Vecna, but now it seems like it might be Will versus Vecna, or the two of the like three of them versus Vecna.

And then if Fcna's not really the big bad, then there's somebody else pulling the strings, like the mind flair.

The we're building up to something really really big.

I want to go back to something Mark said about this play that don't have us have seen, but this idea that you were saying about, I guess it was Brenner's father who's got his blood type changed, right, That to me implies that we may be in for a finale like what you were just saying ash that we weren't expecting in the sense that, Yeah, for the longest time it felt like, okay, El versus Vecna.

Wellbody else is doing something to help, you know, her battle.

Now it with this will reveal, it feels possible that because all of these main characters have had experience with or been in the upside down, what if all of them have changed in some way and they're all somehow.

Going to be power Yeah, that'd be cool.

You know, this could be a Guardians of the Galaxy type thing where they're all holding hands and you know, yeah, gotta stop Dekna.

So I don't know, we'll see.

Well, it's like all these kids might be the central part of the battle now, they're not just collateral damage.

Right, Yeah, yeah, I would love to see some uh, some more use of uh you know, medieval melee style weapons, you know, because we know that's like the only thing that works against these monsters.

You know, you can't can't shoot him, You got to take a sword to them, ye, take a shovel with some barbed wire wrapped around it.

See some more harsh language.

Yeah, yeah, you.

Cock of duties, you poops.

Please give us that in the battle?

Oh please?

Because now so he has so Vecna got all the kids.

Uh yeah, so that's not great.

That's what I thought.

That was so shitty of Vecna.

He takes he has the demo Gorgans take all the kids, and then he's like, now go back and kill them all.

Yeah, oh yeah, and kill everybody else is out there.

And and like Mike had his his one moment in this episode of The Okay Guys, eyes on Me, eyes on Me, and which was yeah, which was the bile.

It was pretty cool.

But then made totally pointless by the fact that Vena comes and takes him anyway.

But you know, still still good for you, Mike.

He did your best, he tried, he did his best, but he had his own Steve moment.

Yeah, yeah, I just remember my notes.

I was like, that's right, Will, that's right, Bets, you better work, he better sand everybody.

I only got a nose bleed.

That's my last note.

Kill him, kill him and his mom got to see it, and everybody's like whoo.

So yeah, I mean that leaves us in a really interesting place.

I mean, we didn't exactly win.

We have a win like that.

We got the militaries all betrayal, their corrupted vault, the mine maze, trauma infliction on Max and Holly.

Holly's got to go pretend like everything's fine.

We set up major conflicts for the next volume.

You know, do we have did Hopper kidnap K right?

I would think so?

Did they did the demo Gorgans kill all of the people who were I who I didn't like on the military, you know Acres and uh who was the black guy again?

That guy was a big problem.

Yeah, and yeah, so like right now, nothing is guaranteed, and we have no idea what's going to happen.

Yeah.

Yeah, One little theory that I have in regards to Holly is that, so so when she's when she's when she's in there, she finds that blue dress, and then she finds that mustard yellow cloak, which you know.

Or whatever that is a half cape.

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know the proper terms.

She finds these two articles of clothing that almost exactly match the mini that she has.

So does that mean that maybe she has some ability to affect.

Her surroundings in there?

We are we having like a little maybe a little matrixy moment in there that she can kind of do things in there as well.

It's possible.

It's weird when it's like your physical bodies in there versus like Max's mind is in there.

So I feel like Max would maybe be able to do that.

But you know, Holly is a Wheeler, and the Wheelers tend to like show out.

So yeah, yeah, well, I.

Mean, her physical body is in the upside down with the OVA positor in her mouth, but but her mind is, Yeah, her mind is in now.

It's gress I don't like watching as we said.

I don't know episode one or two.

It's weird to see kids with that thing in their mouth.

I don't like it.

Other stuff i've read the kids fine, uh weird over positive, No, totally fine.

But yeah, so maybe maybe there's maybe she is going to have some bit.

Maybe we're gonna see everybody with abilities.

Now yeah, I'm down, let's go.

I know that was your trademark.

Well we can all share one.

It doesn't need to be Joyce with the axe, just just taking taking them out.

Right, Okay, she was really doing so.

I was watching that handbork as someone who learned how to use like a broadsword and stuff, and at fair like I was like, OK with that, that's working really well.

Oh the Duffer Brothers based uh the entrance of Vecna off Darth Vader's entrance in Rogue one, and I was like, that is exactly what that with the triangle and everything in the lights.

I was like, that's yeah, totally yeah, what a moment.

Okay, So any any last thoughts.

I mean, at this point anything could kind of happen.

I don't have any predictions except for the only thing that will up, Like you can end us anyway, Please don't make it a D and D game, and please don't make none of it it mattered or been real, that's all.

And please don't wipe everybody's mind.

I know now I'm asking for a lot, but that'll be really really annoying because we are assuming that that's why Joyce doesn't know when they're like Henry Krile, that she's not like, oh that guy went to school, Yeah yeah, yeah right, And we wouldn't know that unless we saw the play, which I think is very interesting and important and they should be bringing it up in the show because that was weird to me.

I had questions, So hopefully they'll address that.

I do think.

I hope that they will address the most pertinent questions from the play in this backhund.

I think, so that's important to include, because yeah, not everybody could have seen the play or read about it or whatever.

And yeah, they've they've been giving hints in the press to like, you know, quotes to the effect of like, we're going to explain the upside down, you know, you're going to know everything about it or whatever.

I don't know what there is to explain necessarily, but hopefully it'll be compelling, you know, and I think that, Yeah, hopefully it's not going to be just a one character giving exposition for twenty scenes.

So yeah, we'll see that.

No Hopper sacrifice in himself.

No sacrifice himself again.

We've done that this season already.

Don't need to do that again, I don't think.

I think either l or Will one of those not gonna feel like.

I'm not sure which at least one of these kids has to buy it.

I think in the back half here.

Yeah, yeah, Steve, not Steve, though Steve needs to live.

But I could see they're doing it and you know, it's cliche and it's whatever, and it's probably not going to happen.

I'd really like to see Eddie Wilson again in some way, shape or form.

I would like him to pop up and be able to help.

It's just something I don't know.

Probably not.

He had an epic ending, but I always want to see our Eddie.

They're all going to be on your right, on your left.

They're going to be forced ghosts.

Yeah, well Bob got killed in the really real world.

That's a problem.

Well he can watching, yeah, guys, the camera, yeah, nor Fields or whatever.

Yeah, he's taking that with yeah.

Well they're finally together again.

Oh.

There was a lot of big names involved with this.

I could, Yes, I forgot that, like Sean Levy as an executive producer, A lot of people.

A lot of people is Scott Derekson.

Yeah yeah, so yeah, you're.

Still met at Scott Derekson for Black Phone too?

Was that anyway?

So we final thoughts fedal dots.

That was it?

I think?

Yeah, same same same, same, same same.

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Visiting Katie's family.

There's some really creepy real world serial killer type stuff, and there's also a bunch of cool movie stuff in there.

And in their little cafe, all of the food items you can order are different different people's on death Row's last meal, which is kind of fun.

Go there, ask for Justin.

It's a cool spot.

Just don't get you can get his last meal, just don't get any of his previous meals.

His other meals.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, fun the Dahmer men, you just avoid.

That, all right.

So we will see everybody for the second half of this season before the finale around the holidays, So it might be a little wonky with getting them out, but look at them out as quickly as possible for all of you people who are just dying to hear everything that we have to say about it.

All right, we'll see you then.

Bye.

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