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[SPEAKER_01]: How you doing?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good, Kyle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me, first up, the Pentagon to use cards legacy, America buys nuclear fuel from Russia.

[SPEAKER_01]: Trump once bogged on back.

[SPEAKER_01]: and Netanyahu says no Palestinian state.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave, this first story, I is almost unbelievable.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually every day you write something that's almost unbelievable, but this one was particularly shocking to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: US War Department considers using Charlie Kurtz's assassination for military recruitment campaign.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave, what the hell is going on?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this is based on a report from NBC News and essentially it says that the Pentagon, the war department wants to capitalize on Kirk's death by launching a recruiting campaign and actually using Turning Point USA, his organization that has chapters at colleges across the country as recruitment centers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it's not clear how far this plan has gotten.

[SPEAKER_02]: If Turning Point USA is on board for it or anything, but it's a conversation that's happening [SPEAKER_02]: Um, they did quote, uh, they did say that there are some officials against it, you know, because essentially saying that, yeah, this would people would view this as us capitalizing again, off of Kirk's assassination.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, I mean, it would be something if they tried to use these these chapters.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, because he, he really built up this huge organization that has a big infrastructure and they're trying to figure out if they could use it to their benefit [SPEAKER_02]: to send overseas and in a statement to NBC News, the Pentagon, they didn't exactly deny it, but they appeared to say that the report was a lie.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we've already seen some capitalite like them using his death.

[SPEAKER_02]: The thing I mentioned in that story was Pete Higgseth, the Secretary of War now.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, if you look at his social media, if the press releases from the Pentagon, I mean, it's been almost cartoonish.

[SPEAKER_02]: This kind of new rebrand is the war department saying, you know, we, you know, calling every, using just kind of the term war all the time now.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he posted a video of him, praying now or father or the Lord's prayer, [SPEAKER_02]: to like a montage of U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: military equipment being used missiles being fired tanks and bombers and fighter jets flying, which I thought was just really gross to me as a Christian myself and I saw many other Christians had that same reaction.

[SPEAKER_02]: So but you see them, you know, trying to kind of capitalize on it and use it to kind of pump up their images, you know, the war department and [SPEAKER_02]: which is a Zionist Christianity that then he tries to put forward.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave, I just want to ask was Charlie Kirk in the military ours or any reason, particularly reason they're trying to hijack his legacy?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, he was not in the military and I looked into apparently he tried to get into West Point and didn't get in but that's as far as he he went.

[SPEAKER_02]: but despite that, they want to use this to get more, you know, to send more young men into war.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's what they're thinking, I guess.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave, we do have that headset clip that you were talking about before.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to play for the audience, because it's really, really astounding.

[SPEAKER_01]: Chris, can we play this?

[SPEAKER_06]: Our father, who aren't in heaven, Hallow would be thy name.

[SPEAKER_06]: by kingdom come, that I will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

[SPEAKER_06]: Give us to stay our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass in us.

[SPEAKER_06]: And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

[SPEAKER_06]: for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever.

[SPEAKER_01]: Amen.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, Dave, I know that you're a man of faith to some degree.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder why you make of using the Lord's prayer in this way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like I said, it's just really sickening to me, especially considering everything that I cover that the US empire and the military is involved in these days, especially when it comes to supporting Israel and we recently just went on winter war with Iran on their behalf.

[SPEAKER_02]: And even the prayer, I mean, [SPEAKER_02]: what are you asking God for in that prayer for forgiveness and for mercy and you're saying and like we're supposed to show on other people and you know as they're conducting this new campaign where they're just blowing boats out of the water in Latin America and this is something J.D.

[SPEAKER_02]: Vance who is a Catholic and I'm a Catholic and J.D.

[SPEAKER_02]: Vance is all about this, this new policy of extra judicial executions at sea as if this is [SPEAKER_02]: you know, some kind of Christian principle.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's pretty repulsive to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And from what I've seen a lot of other Catholics and Christians.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave while we're on the subject to Charlie Kurtz legacy, I guess one his assassination happened.

[SPEAKER_01]: I really didn't expect that me and you would be maybe covering it that much, but one of the big narratives around Charlie Kurtz assassination is kind of two different things.

[SPEAKER_01]: There have been people I I see without any evidence whatsoever is certain that Israel had some kind of role in Charlie Kurtz assassination and also other people I think having a important debate on Charlie Kurtz legacy as related to Israel certainly he seems to me to have been his ironists up until his last days at the same time he doesn't quite seem to be bench a hero, but I'm just wondering if you have you know if you have any thoughts on how the death of up [SPEAKER_01]: conservative political influencer and activists who certainly, I think spent most of his time talking about domestic issues, talking about abortion, faith in the direction this country needs to go not necessarily always waiting in on foreign policy that it seems to me and the wake of his dad that this is really the part of his narrative legacy that's getting the most debate.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, wait, think about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I think it's kind of part of the civil war that's [SPEAKER_02]: over Israel, because there is this big kind of reckoning taking place, especially with, you know, you see Tucker Carlson and Candice Owens kind of leading the anti-Israel side or people who are at least skeptical of this special relationship with Israel.

[SPEAKER_02]: So after Kirk was killed in that very brutal way, I mean, you saw Netanyahu and even [SPEAKER_02]: trying to kind of co-op his death to push their cause.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it is a good to have the conversation about what Kirk was thinking about Israel in his final days.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because as you said, he always, to me, I didn't really follow him closely.

[SPEAKER_02]: But as far as I knew, he was a pretty committed Zionist.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't know much really about his faith if it was kind of the specific, [SPEAKER_02]: Christian Zionism that we see, Mike Huckabee is spousing over in Israel, or it was more kind of a default position.

[SPEAKER_02]: He had, like, as a conservative in the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: said, okay, this is our side.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're pro-Israel, the left is pro-Palestine, so this is my side here.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there certainly were signs that he was questioning things.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was an interview with Megan Kelly where he said something to the effect of, like, you know, he was expressing [SPEAKER_02]: that he was upset that he couldn't criticize Israel without getting all this pushback from people.

[SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, you know, he had like a rabbi on pretty recently to claim that there was no starvation in Gaza, but he also had Dave Smith at the Turning Point USA event, the big event that they do, which I thought that was pretty significant.

[SPEAKER_02]: He debated what's his name, Josh Hammer.

[SPEAKER_02]: who, uh, he's really one of the worst, I mean, you know, Ben Shapiro levels of, uh, just, you know, love and support for Israel no matter what.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so it's all interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a good conversation to have and, uh, you know, it's, it's kind of interesting the way it's playing out.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I really do see this as overall as part of this reckoning that's happening, that needs to happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: on, you know, a lung conservatist because I think the default position, as I kind of said, like, if you're just a typical Republican voter, you can consider yourself a conservative in the US for the longest time.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was, yeah, I'm pro Israel, you know, they're on our side and all that, but now after nearly two years of this slaughter in genocide in Gaza, you know, people don't want anything, you know, there's just people who might have been pro Israel by [SPEAKER_02]: And then they see Tucker Carlson really questioning it and, you know, it's really causing a change on that side of the aisle in U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: politics.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if Charlie Kurt's goal was just to promote the Israeli narrative, I don't think you would have had Dave Smith who, I mean, as far as I could tell is absolutely the most effective debate in the US from a pro-Palestinian or anti-A to Israel perspective.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he, you know, there may be people who know more.

[SPEAKER_01]: but as far as just being able to communicate, speak well, generally understanding good strategies and tactics and debate, date, date, fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he already crushed Josh Ham her in it debate prior.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the results of that one were like 90, 10 or something absurd like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so Charlie Kurt certainly didn't do the pros I made side any favors by matching up those two together, which I thought was at least worth noting.

[SPEAKER_01]: One more thing on the Charlie Kirkus as a nation-dave is there's another way this is being used and I think it's for general censorship.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to play this clip of Trump speaking at Charlie Kirk's Memorial.

[SPEAKER_07]: Early Kirk truly was.

[SPEAKER_07]: He was a missionary with a noble spirit and a great, great purpose.

[SPEAKER_07]: He did not hate his opponents.

[SPEAKER_07]: He wanted the best for them.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's where I disagreed with Charlie.

[SPEAKER_07]: I hate my opponent, and I don't want the best of them, I'm sorry, I am sorry, Erica.

[SPEAKER_01]: So to have once again, after the death of Charlie Kirk, I don't necessarily think, oh, crackdown is coming and we should worry about it being in the anti-interventionist camp.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at how things have developed, it seems that there is more censorship and crackdowns on political thought coming.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the one group that always seems to be targeted by the Trump administration is the people who are critical of Israel or pro-Palestinian.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you concerned about this?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I am because we see there's this, it looks like Trump's going to sign some sort of order when it comes to Antifa and declaring them a terrorist organization not really sure what legal definition if there is really a legal way for them to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously I have no love for Antifa or people that go around the country and destroy private businesses in response to the police killing someone.

[SPEAKER_02]: It concerns me because we know that Marco Rubio, all the people at the upper levels of the Trump administration, we know what they think of people who are against who are critical of Israel.

[SPEAKER_02]: They call them terrorists and Hamas supporters because of their opinions that go against theirs.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm concerned about us potentially critics of [SPEAKER_02]: of Israel getting swept up in this potential crackdown that seems to be coming.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dave, I want to move on and talk to you that's about the situation, the war and Ukraine.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is a clip of Donald Trump being asked about the U.S.

[SPEAKER_01]: continuing to buy nuclear fuel from Russia.

[SPEAKER_04]: You've been calling on Europe to stop buying Russian oil.

[SPEAKER_04]: The US has imported $755 million dollars worth of Russian uranium and plutonium.

[SPEAKER_04]: So who are just this year?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's up from the Biden administration last year.

[SPEAKER_04]: About a million dollars.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can you ask Europe to cut off.

[SPEAKER_04]: We are purchasing those kinds of products.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we do know the other thing about that.

[SPEAKER_05]: We absolutely, but just goes back.

[SPEAKER_05]: Not only drill they need drill, we've got to find maybe mine.

[SPEAKER_05]: We sell ourselves to the fallen under the dependence of both China and Russia for critical minerals.

[SPEAKER_05]: Us America buying uranium from Russia is not acceptable.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so we're working very hard and sexy of energy and for us to write myself to make sure that we've got a plan so that the United States can get back into domestic and race-ranging production as quickly as possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave, I think this is so important and it doesn't get enough attention that throughout this conflict, the U.S.

[SPEAKER_01]: and Europe, and even Ukraine, have retained these financial and trade ties with Russia.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yet we're told that we have to, you know, dump all this money into Ukraine.

[SPEAKER_01]: So your thoughts on this?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't seem like Trump really knew what anything about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: That question about the uranium fuel.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and that is an important point.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it was relatively recently that they shut down the natural gas that was going from Russia to Europe.

[SPEAKER_02]: I forget exactly when, but for most of the war, Russia was still transporting gas through Ukraine and Ukraine was making money on it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that was one reason why they were so opposed to the Nord Stream Pipelines is that this is before the war it would have really reduced the revenue that Russia that you crane got from transporting Russian gas and that was kind of there was a big lobby push by the Ukrainian state gas company in the US to oppose Nord Stream.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, it is, you know, an interesting factor here, but as a war, I mean, they just keep threatening sanctions and more military aid as if that's going to change anything, but unfortunately right now just seems like the war is going to go on.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if the war goes on, where do you think Trump goes nuts as far?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's got to receive a lot of pressure to do something against Russia for Ukraine.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so what do you think we're going to do?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess he could do both.

[SPEAKER_01]: He could do neither, of course.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it does seem like there's going to be a lot of pressure for him to send weapons to Ukraine and for him to start terrifying U.S.

[SPEAKER_01]: Russian trading partners [SPEAKER_01]: particularly India in China.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know there's a bill in the Senate that has 80 co-sponsors just an unbelievable number and if a if Trump says yes, they're going to pass it and it would place a 500% tariff on India China and I believe they've even floated Brazil in this so [SPEAKER_01]: I guess is Trump prepared to blow up the U.S.

[SPEAKER_01]: kind of economic world order, and it's spelled Brazil, India, and China, and basically cut off its significant portion and trade with those countries in order to punish Russia?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this seems absurd, but it seems to be the road we're going down.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I have to think that they're that Trump or people in the administration understand that they, that's not really like a realistic option for the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: to [SPEAKER_02]: to do something that they probably they don't have to know isn't going to end the war um...

but then you see the senate and you know you see the attitude of it's similar to the attitude among like the european leaders and and NATO and everything who just want this to go on and want to increase sanctions and send more military aid and they claim that Ukraine's going to win and you see Keith Kellogg who is Trump's special envoy to Ukraine who is pushing this idea that Ukraine's going to win [SPEAKER_02]: he said the other day recently that the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: could kick rush his ass if it needed to.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, it depends on a guess who he's listening to.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Lindsey Graham does seem to be influential on Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if he's listening to Graham and and Kellogg, I guess there's a chance that they could go ahead with these big tariffs, but I would be, I would be surprised.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they might do something on a smaller scale, kind of a symbolic thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if they totally once they totally give up on the the peace process, which doesn't seem to be going anywhere at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, Dave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Dave, speaking of things there, just absolutely absurd.

[SPEAKER_01]: Last week, I couldn't believe that I had to watch a clip like four times before I wrote up this article, because I couldn't really be talking about this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Donald Trump is talking about going back to the Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Trump initially, I believe it's on Friday, along with Kiersturm, Starmer, he's in the UK, says, I got some breaking news for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're thinking about going back to Borgrum, and then he has a true social post where he includes what seems to be a threat that we want it back.

[SPEAKER_01]: We want it back quickly, and they better give it back to us very concerning.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then today, we got the response from the Taliban.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to play this clip and then get your thought safe.

[SPEAKER_03]: Those individuals who were responsible for bringing foreign entities here, who unjustly imposed them upon our nation and who arrogantly desired to rule our people by sheer force and coercion.

[SPEAKER_03]: They were, in essence, nothing more than cowards.

[SPEAKER_03]: Out of their profound fear and lack of conviction, they shamelessly sought refuge and protection with the infidels.

[SPEAKER_03]: but we rely solely and completely on the boundless strength and unwavering support of al-Maiti Allah, fear no one, no oppressive regime or tyrannical bully, and we have demonstrably proven this truth time and time again.

[SPEAKER_03]: In the course of 20 arduous and challenging years of relentless jihad against the foreign occupation, specifically against America and its various allies, [SPEAKER_03]: We have unequivocally shown the entire world that we are never afraid to stand for what is right and just.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave, what do you think is Trump about to restart the Afghan war, which just to remind everybody the one war that his supporters actually claimed that he ended as the Afghan war.

[SPEAKER_01]: So is he just going to restart this thing?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what's interesting is that this is something he actually did mentioned.

[SPEAKER_02]: when he was on the campaign trail last year.

[SPEAKER_02]: I remember at least twice and he actually said at one point that he wouldn't have left Bagram Airbus.

[SPEAKER_02]: Essentially saying he wouldn't have withdrawn from Afghanistan even though he was the one who signed a deal with the Taliban that led to the withdrawal and it was the same.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the same things like [SPEAKER_02]: In his he grabs like the same information in his brain in that clip.

[SPEAKER_02]: He said, Oh, we didn't want to leave Bagram because it's nothing to do with Afghanistan.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's an hour away from where China makes its nuclear weapons And I know it's near China.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that that claim is right, but then he said the same thing The other day when he was in the UK And then the Taliban did initially respond and say, you know, that's not could happen because he made it sound like [SPEAKER_02]: there was some kind of talks going on that there was going to be some kind of diplomatic deal that would see the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: return to Bogram so then he responded saying oh there's going to be you know consequences are you know we're it's not going to be good if if we don't get that base back.

[SPEAKER_02]: So realistically, the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: are actually going to reinvade Afghanistan.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't see any scenario where that happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: But apparently this seems like something that Trump might want.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they'll see if they can give the Taliban, you know, something, but it doesn't seem like they're going to go for this.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm kind of hoping that this is like the Greenland thing and the Panama Canal and that kind of, although the Panama Canal, I mean, I might have something to do with some of the deployments we're seeing in the region.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've heard a lot less about Greenland after for a while, Trump was talking about the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: taking it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm hoping this kind of this idea kind of fizzles out, but this isn't really anything new.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is something Trump has kind of said before.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember actually, I don't know if it was a debate or a campaign event.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he actually said something about Bagram and he said, [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take it back.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take it back and I thought there's no way like it's he really saying he's going to try to retake bogramar base, but I guess you know it is something that's been on his mind.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, the one thing that really concerns me about this, Dave, is it just seems unbelievably stupid?

[SPEAKER_01]: The bogum air base is remote.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's fairly high altitude.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's very difficult to get supplies up there.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's difficult to land planes there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Trump said, well, it's important because it's close to Chinese nuclear facilities.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so is he saying that we need an air base and Afghanistan case we ever need a bomb China's nuclear facilities?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean that's very provocative and very concerning if that's ways thinking if it's intelligence collection, I mean I'm sure we fly spy planes out of Pakistan that could easily cross into Afghan airspace and do whatever operations you're going to do out of [SPEAKER_01]: or a satellite, so it's probably the main way that they obtain all of this information anyways.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just, when he says something like this, it concerns me because it seems to be logistically impossible.

[SPEAKER_01]: And if he tried to do it, it would just strand 10,000 American troops in enemy territory where they're hard to resupply.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to get them in and out.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to land the planes that are going to need constant maintenance.

[SPEAKER_01]: food, all kinds of supplies coming in.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is the kind of thing where it really raises some rough lives.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's Trump okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like what the hell is the plan here?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that's what I really don't think this is going to turn into that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can't imagine that even in the Pentagon, this is something that they want to do because of all those things that you mentioned.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see if this goes to go anywhere.

[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I hope, and I have a feeling that he might drop it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we will see.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe there are some kind of back channel.

[SPEAKER_02]: They've actually haven't been back channel.

[SPEAKER_02]: The US officials have gone over to Afghanistan and met with Taliban officials about getting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Americans held in jail free and some people have been freed.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there has been talks between the Trump administration and the Taliban So maybe this is something they've tried to float diplomatically But again, I just don't see any scenario where the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: is gonna try to take Bogram by force I mean just look at the map like you can't just go in there and grab it [SPEAKER_02]: and hold it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But as you mentioned, yeah, what is the implication there that, oh, you know, we need to be close to where China makes a nuclear weapons or we're going to try to blow them up or something, you know, and I'm sure that when it comes to the plans for like a build up around China, they probably would like to have bases in Afghanistan again, but I think logistically it's just too hard for them to actually try.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Dave, I just want to ask you real quick about one more policy that seems impossibly stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's Venezuela.

[SPEAKER_01]: Trump has now said he carried out three strides against boats.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if they were all in Venezuela and territorial waters are outside of it, but I want to get kind of your thoughts on how far do you think we could see that ratchet up in the next few weeks?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I mean, this is something that's become almost the regular thing now, though.

[SPEAKER_02]: They bomb a boat every week or so.

[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like it started on September 2nd and there's been at least three.

[SPEAKER_02]: There might have been four boats.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of confusing because they announced two and then Trump said, oh, we actually bomb the third boat.

[SPEAKER_02]: We just didn't announce it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then a few days later, he announced another one.

[SPEAKER_02]: So some places are reporting that that was the fourth boat that was bombed.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it could be the third one that Trump talked about earlier.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that's not too confusing.

[SPEAKER_02]: But.

[SPEAKER_02]: It does seem like they want to make, you know, they set the precedent with the first one and they want to make this a regular thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, the real risk here is, I mean, obviously besides the immorality of doing this, I'm just blowing people up like this.

[SPEAKER_02]: The risk is this being angled into some sort of regime change war with Venezuela, or there's the potential for them to launch direct strikes in Venezuela, which I think, you know, would turn into war.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's tough to really say, I mean, where this is going, [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I wouldn't have really expected them to actually start bombing boats like this, but they did, and now I still find it hard to believe that they might actually launch strikes in Venezuela, but I mean, at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if we see that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, unfortunately, I agree with you there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we have almost 2,000 people watching this episode live Dave, so that's a pretty big audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Dave, before I let you go, I got one more clip.

[SPEAKER_01]: This one is Benjamin Netanyahu, discussing how there's never going to be a two state solution.

[SPEAKER_00]: We will have to fight both at the UN and in all other arenas against the false propaganda directed at us and the calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state which would endanger our existence and serve as an absurd reward for terrorism.

[SPEAKER_00]: The international community will hear from us on this matter in the coming days.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave my question for you with this clip is just for years and years and years we've always heard that the plan here is that we need a support Israel So we have the creation of a two-state solution eventually.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a Palestinian state It seems like a pretty a big a mission from Netanyahu just outright coming out and saying I have prevent it one And I am never going to allow one so wait that you go the netanyahu's comments here [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, this has been his talking point now over the past year.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she's just been openly saying, you know, that I've been working to prevent a Palestinian state.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I've done so successfully recently.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was at a settlement.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I believe he said, you know, I fulfilled the promise that I made to you 20 years ago, that there would never be a Palestinian state.

[SPEAKER_02]: So now it is openly the policy of the Israeli government to prevent that in the US.

[SPEAKER_02]: especially the current administration is going along with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now the big question is how is he going to respond to all these countries recognizing a Palestinian state?

[SPEAKER_02]: There's all these reports and we see comments from a small church in Bangalore that they want to annex parts of the West Bank.

[SPEAKER_02]: Smotrich announced a plan.

[SPEAKER_02]: I forget exactly the wording that he used.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he said it's like how to get the most land with as few Arabs as possible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Basically you would they would annex all the West Bank except for six major Palestinian cities and leave them kind of isolated as islands.

[SPEAKER_02]: Netanyahu saying that he's going to announce his response when he gets back from the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's because he is most likely going to try to get support from Trump for whatever it is that he wants to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: How could be a said that the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: will not oppose Israel annexing the West Bank?

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think Trump would probably want something more than that.

[SPEAKER_02]: He would probably want real support from the U.S.

[SPEAKER_02]: in some sort of way, or some kind of commitment to continue support and military aid, you know, to [SPEAKER_02]: help them in this endeavor.

[SPEAKER_02]: And judging by everything that's happened so far wouldn't be surprised if the US just openly backs.

[SPEAKER_02]: Something like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see what happens, but yeah, there's no more illusions about this idea of a Palestinian state at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Dave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Kyle.