[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we are back with another episode of the Kiley and Sloan Show, very excited to welcome that to the show today, retired Lieutenant Colonel of the Air Force, Karen Kalkowski, Karen welcome back to the show today.

[SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing?

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, Karen it's been kind of a crazy day so far.

[SPEAKER_03]: We just had what appears to be the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of video footage of it out right now seems to have been killed while speaking at a rally in Utah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And while I don't want to get too much into the weeds here, I know there are so many rumors flying around and we're recording this live just after it happened.

[SPEAKER_03]: But of course this is a major event in the United States, a political assassination, the killing of a major figure on the kind of Republican MAGA movement.

[SPEAKER_03]: So Karen just any early thoughts and reactions to this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's terrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's tragic, you know, he has a family.

[SPEAKER_02]: He has done extraordinary.

[SPEAKER_02]: things.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not holding a political office.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's not running for a political office.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is it's hardly Kirk with his turning point.

[SPEAKER_02]: USA has been trying to get people involved in politics, people to care about what our government is doing, how it's working, how it works, [SPEAKER_02]: and how they can be involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he has done wonderful work for all kinds of people, not just for the conservative movement.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is a great example.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was shocked to hear that he was shot.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just heard that he has passed.

[SPEAKER_02]: If that's the case, I mean, it's just terrible.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel rotten for his family.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a political assassination, as you said.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's now, these kinds of things are coming home.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, last year, we had the Trump assassinations to them.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, one attempt that was a shot, and then the other one was just a readiness for an attempt.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we're thinking about these things in light of the American president, vulnerability, guns, all these things.

[SPEAKER_02]: But this assassination is very much what I think, the many other countries deal with.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't in the United States.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have crime, of course, we have a lot of drama.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's almost as if we're just stuck in other country now.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this kind of thing is going to be part for the course for people who want to become politically involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: People that want to bear some influence on their government.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a terrible thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I 100% agree with you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Terrible thing certainly didn't deserve it to happen.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think me and Charlie Kirk were aligned on many political issues, but that being said that that doesn't make him a bad person or anything like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And to add to it, I think this is probably a really important moment for Americans to [SPEAKER_03]: reflecting and really think as you said, this happens in other countries.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you look at Metzaco, Abe was killed in Japan a few years ago, Colombia is a place where we see these kind political assassinations.

[SPEAKER_03]: These are not countries that you want to live in.

[SPEAKER_03]: You do not want this going on.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think particularly on the left right now there needs to be a rover [SPEAKER_03]: and you're going to need to cut that out.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think on the right, you know, Donald Trump and the MAGA movement, I think they're going to be poised and probably have the political capital to wage a real law in order to crack down in the United States in response to this and the killing of the young Ukrainian woman on the train in North Carolina.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, my conspiracy mind when I first heard of this in the context of some of the other things in the context of how Trump is viewing law [SPEAKER_02]: This is something that he will act on, and the way he acts on it is, you know, I would like to think that he will be careful, he will be pro-constitution, he will be wise.

[SPEAKER_02]: But what we have seen with Donald Trump is the issues from the hip and he tweets out what he thinks in the middle of the night, and then that often can become policy.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's a little concerning, you know, the other thing, and I mean, prayers for his family [SPEAKER_02]: The other thing is, you know, this is an assassination of newsworthy one in the United States, but there's another one that happened just yesterday that was quite newsworthy and we were involved in it, you know, the assassination of the Hamas, the negotiating team, attempted assassination of multiple people.

[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't get all the ones they tried to get and it was conducted by Israel.

[SPEAKER_02]: in the overflow, I guess Saudi Arabia, and they fired it in an office building or a hotel in Doha.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they killed a number of people.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the Israeli media reported and said early on, immediately, that the US approved this.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the Trump said he didn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Trump said he didn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he knew about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, well, it can't.

[SPEAKER_02]: A powerful country, but apparently I was confused about that.

[SPEAKER_03]: absolutely well that that is the perfect way because that is the first topic I had for you on today's show.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean this was the massive news right Israel has now bombed another country in the Middle East tried to assassinate the Hamas negotiating team reportedly as they were planning to meet to actually discuss the proposal that Trump put forward.

[SPEAKER_03]: I actually have a statement from the Ketari leader to play and then I would like to get your [SPEAKER_01]: that took place today on the state of Qatar.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can only call it as a state terrorism that is being exerted by someone like Natsang Yahu, given his attempts on his policies as he tries to threaten the regional security.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is only a clear message to the whole region.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this message says that there is one [SPEAKER_01]: player, and there's also this respect to all the policies and also a violation to the sovereignty of all the countries and the states, Netanyahu said himself that he will reshape the Middle East.

[SPEAKER_01]: Does he mean that he's also going to reshape the Gulf region?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that we have reached a decisive moment.

[SPEAKER_01]: there should be a retaliation from the whole region to in the face of those barbaric actions that only reflects one thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It reflects the barbarism of this person that is leading the region to, unfortunately, to a point where we cannot address any situation and we cannot repair anything and we cannot work within the frameworks of international laws.

[SPEAKER_01]: He just violates all those international laws.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, Karen, my question to you, I guess, is just, how, what do you make of this?

[SPEAKER_03]: How provocative is it that Israel tried to assassinate the Hamas leadership in Qatar, a major non-Aido US ally?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, while they were gathered to kind of get closer to an end of this genocide and end of what Israel is doing in Gaza.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what it tells us is a couple of things.

[SPEAKER_02]: One is that Israel believes that it can and will in the future, now today, yesterday, tomorrow, will act with impunity.

[SPEAKER_02]: It will do whatever it wishes, whatever Netanyahu tells it to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: It will all other countries are its enemy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it will lie.

[SPEAKER_02]: It will lie about what it's doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And as we know, I mean, but in this particular case, [SPEAKER_02]: It's lies and its actions are actually directly against the United States.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, think about Qatar.

[SPEAKER_02]: First off, we have value dived there.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a big big base, big investment in Qatar that we've had for many decades.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's one thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Qatar is friendly, relatively friendly to Israel, and then it will host these kinds of things.

[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing is, [SPEAKER_02]: Cutter recently I don't know if anybody remembers this didn't they give president Trump like a big 400 million dollar airplane and gifted it to him it was a big yeah big drama [SPEAKER_02]: And that was good that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you did that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then after they did that, after they made this great gift, they also promised to buy literally dozens of billions, maybe a hundred billion.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it was.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was 1.2 trillion.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't even imagine that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that is huge.

[SPEAKER_02]: 1.2 trillion dollar purchases over, I guess over a period of time, promises to buy American technology, American [SPEAKER_02]: productive weapons and you know it's a big part of our export economy we produce 43% of the world's weapons it's a you know a major lobby it's what American industry does unfortunately you know we don't we don't build a lot but we do build a lot of weapons and [SPEAKER_02]: our weapons are overpriced, they're expensive, they don't work, they require long logistics, tail, unreliable, and there's a lot of cheap options out there, but Cutter said that would buy from us, 1.2 trillion.

[SPEAKER_02]: That is [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe countries can't have friends, but maybe countries have shared interest.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would think that for Trump, this is a shared interest, especially as he wants to rejuvenate and restore not only his department of war with better stuff, but also the economy and much unfortunately, much of the American economy depends on the production of weapons.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this was something that Carter did to show its good faith, [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it has real benefit to the United States in terms of trade, not not in terms of long term strategy, but in terms of trade, this is a big plus.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is something Trump worked hard for, Trump appreciated it.

[SPEAKER_02]: He talked a lot about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was a win-win, whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Israel just smacked it, smacked the whole thing down.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a smacked down to Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll tell you, I, um, I have a little preoccupied with today's news, but, um, the, [SPEAKER_02]: As in how our media network people said, well, does anybody have a quick blur on what Israel did yesterday?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I had a quick blur about it and think about it very much, but what I'm thinking is this reeks of the Samsung option.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is a threat that Israel is showing everyone, allies, friends, the United States, which is where the key sponsor of Israel, the key enabler of Israel, [SPEAKER_02]: the target list.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are on the target list.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this was a little reminder.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the other thing is they also fired what is it drones at one of the flotilla ships that is ported in Tunisia.

[SPEAKER_02]: Tunisia is also an American ally.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, military ally political ally.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they don't vote with us on the UN all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, they are we have [SPEAKER_02]: to do things we can't do in Europe.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we like Tunisia.

[SPEAKER_02]: We like it when it was a dictatorship.

[SPEAKER_02]: We like it other times, you know, we use Tunisia.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of America's allies.

[SPEAKER_02]: They hit Tunisia.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very intense, you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there are no rules for Israel.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that is an anchor that will drown us.

[SPEAKER_02]: That will drown the United States government that will drown this country.

[SPEAKER_02]: to separate our interests from the interests of Israel.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know how you do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think, since I don't know, I have to suspect that there is a lot a great deal of blackmail that goes on.

[SPEAKER_02]: Whether it's, you know, you know, you always say follow the money.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if you follow the money, sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I was just thinking the other day, I'll shut up in a second.

[SPEAKER_02]: But you know Elon Musk, we talk about Miriam Adelson, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And a couple other big Zionists, just supporters of Donald Trump, and they give, I think, Miriam made available to him or funded his campaign to the tune of $100 million.

[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, so did Elon.

[SPEAKER_02]: Elon also, in fact, if it was, I don't think Miriam Adelson won him that election, I think Elon Musk won him that election.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if that's the case, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: But Adelson and the Zionists are in.

[SPEAKER_02]: So what is it that makes them so powerful in terms?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is it just money?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's just money.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's dirt.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's blackmail.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it is, I'm not sure what it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll tell you what, Israel is taking a take America down, and we're not going to know what hit us when it happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of Americans sense that this is not right.

[SPEAKER_02]: That it's not consistent with American values.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they don't realize how terrifically lawless Israel is and has no intentions of returning to a lawfully bounded state.

[SPEAKER_02]: It has no intentions of doing that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's part of what it made clear with the attack on Doha.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: All fantastic points.

[SPEAKER_03]: One thing I would add is there seems to be a real cultural hold that Israel lobby has on the United States.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we've heard send or after send or congressman or congressman get up and say that their fundamental belief is that the Bible, that God commands them to support the state of Israel first and foremost.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's exactly what Ted Cruz said.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, that is a real force to go up against this idea, that the Bible tells them that they are ordered.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you are a good Christian, if you want to go to heaven, you must support the country of Israel.

[SPEAKER_02]: Only the Scofield Bible tells them that, okay?

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Certain branches of evangelical Protestantism, but here to that Scofield Bible, which is [SPEAKER_02]: has a long history, not that long, not as long as the real Bible, or any of the previous variants of the Bible, obviously, we can get lots of different versions of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think we often lament cultural conservatives lament that religion is not popular amongst the young churches and that kind of traditional worship is not something that is [SPEAKER_02]: energy in the younger generations.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's an older generation thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And whether that's true, I think it's a little bit true, but people are [SPEAKER_02]: you know, that is a mean people aren't spiritual and aren't looking for how to be good people.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think they are doing that, but they're not doing it in the churches that studied the Scofield Bible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even jellical Christians cannot recruit the young, just like APEC can't recruit young workers in APEC and many, many, many American Jews viscerally oppose what Israel is doing, whether it's attacking its neighbors or starving gossens or wreaking havoc around the world.

[SPEAKER_02]: They do not support that.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is not their Judaism at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is a political Zionism, which by itself, if you take away evangelical Christian support, because they read the scope of the Bible, and they don't know what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: or a political, political Zionism as a savior for a haven, you know, something that creates a haven for Jews around the world.

[SPEAKER_02]: Those ideas are very, they're broken ideas.

[SPEAKER_02]: They are been, been weakening for some time, but what Israel is doing now has broken them.

[SPEAKER_02]: There is no political Zionism is, is alllessness.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's like a state that assassinates whether they need to or not.

[SPEAKER_02]: sometimes they just assassinate to show that they can assassinate.

[SPEAKER_02]: And how is that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Something anyone wants to be a part of.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a failed ideology.

[SPEAKER_02]: It really is, but the problem is, I don't really care, honestly.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm American.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a dual passport.

[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't been to Israel.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't intend to go.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe in Zionism.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what they do over there, as long as they behave themselves, which they have not done.

[SPEAKER_02]: But what I do care about is America's future.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if we are so incredibly yoked with a government and to some extent a society of Zionism, that spits on, and I don't mean literally spits, they do literally spit on Christians.

[SPEAKER_02]: On our value system in this country, they spit on the Constitution, the idea that all men are created equal, they don't believe that, okay?

[SPEAKER_02]: So why are we the tail on the dog or why are we so invested?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we funding, certainly settlers who are among some of the most lawless people you can imagine if they were in this country trying to do that, they would be in American [SPEAKER_02]: So why?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And again, if it's blackmail, that's one thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: If it's money, let's track that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I really think what it is is it's so.

[SPEAKER_02]: They believe so.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cult.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I believe.

[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it has involved into a cult.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when you are inside of a cult, and I think many in Washington are inside of this cult, you cannot dig your way out.

[SPEAKER_02]: It takes intervention.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's where we're at, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, before I get to this next clip, just want to mention that we now have over 1500 people listening to the show live.

[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you all so much for tuning in, Karen.

[SPEAKER_03]: I see the chat is absolutely lighting up with compliments about you.

[SPEAKER_03]: They said you've been killing it not only on today's show, but also on some other appearances that you've had recently.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so certainly everyone, share out this show, put it out there to a few more people.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Chris, let's play this next clip, a Donald Trump reacting to the Israeli assassination attempt to guitars.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are these really striking over here today?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm not thrilled.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not thrilled about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not thrilled about the whole situation, it's not a good situation, but, uh, [SPEAKER_04]: I will say this, we want the hostages back, but we are not thrilled about the way that went down today.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll be giving a full statement tomorrow, but I will tell you this, I was very unhappy about it, very unhappy about every aspect, and [SPEAKER_04]: We got to get the ostriches back, but that was very unhappy about the way that went down.

[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so Karen, my question to you here is, um, Trump says he's not thrilled.

[SPEAKER_03]: Is that enough?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think I heard that he continued on or it did another thing, another conversation he had about that, that he's not thrilled, I heard this on Mark Levine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Every time Mark Levine is on the radio, I turn it off as soon as I realized that I have Mark Levine on there because he drives me nuts.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he was saying that President Trump said he wasn't thrilled and it didn't really advance peace and they didn't get them all.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that was Levine inserting that in or not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Trump himself has, I think, facilitated this in terms of his American involvement in setting up these talks, getting inviting various Hamas leadership into the location that they were so that they could be targeted.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that was on purpose or by accident, but doesn't really matter at this point.

[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Trump, he took out in his previous term in his first [SPEAKER_02]: He assassinated the Iranian general law.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what was his name.

[SPEAKER_03]: Kassam Soleimani.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Soleimani and he could not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Trump could not stop growing about how great it was that he invited this guy to talk or whatever and then we whack him.

[SPEAKER_02]: He thought that was great.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then he did the same thing at the beginning or the end of the 12 day war, whatever that was, he, you know.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have negotiations, I think there was a series of them.

[SPEAKER_02]: One was going to take place on Sunday, and so he bombs on Friday or Saturday morning.

[SPEAKER_02]: I forget when they actually did that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, and Trump relished to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: He relished to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So for him to say, I'm not thrilled about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would like an explanation from Mr.

Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is how do you really feel about assassinating foreign leaders and representatives of foreign movements?

[SPEAKER_02]: particularly given you are supposed to be a peace president.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why the manga people elected him.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why people like me speak kindly about him.

[SPEAKER_02]: He promised PC.

[SPEAKER_02]: He promised to end an invention's abroad.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he has a particular pension for assassinations.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think BB leverages his leverages this with him.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's disgusting.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah?

[SPEAKER_03]: So Karen I guess do you think this was about killing any chance of some kind of negotiated settlement to this conflict to give Netanyahu and it's used to just keep on up with the onslaught in Gaza?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well Netanyahu doesn't need an excuse because he has done this repeatedly right I mean how many times have they been to a deal and Netanyahu says okay this is everything we want unless it's okay fine let's do it and then he goes Netanyahu is sorry you know I'm not [SPEAKER_02]: reneged on something.

[SPEAKER_02]: We know that he has, that Netanyahu has no intention of making peace.

[SPEAKER_02]: All you have to do is listen to what Netanyahu and his lead government leaders are saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: And what they have been saying, they intend to vacate Gaza of all Gaza, so whether they have to starve them, they die of disease, they export them somewhere, or they kill them and bury them under the rubble, they don't care, they tend to reduce that population.

[SPEAKER_02]: They've already, it's downed, I think, about 1.5 million from 2.3.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's 5 to 700,000 people gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think they intend to starve or have disease in lack of housing and the winter.

[SPEAKER_02]: kill at least half of those that remain and then he will say to his people and to his advocates of this that have won in this war and Gaza and he'll say okay we can handle the few that are left and will export and later because they're not going to be countries are not going to take them okay nobody is going to help Israel do this not not a single country in the world except the United States and we're not going to take them okay we won't even let Palestinians get [SPEAKER_02]: visa to speak at the UN, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: We're not taking Palestinians in.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the Palestinians are going to die there in Gaza for the most part.

[SPEAKER_02]: And those of it don't will be in basically concentration camps.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is not new, okay?

[SPEAKER_02]: This is not new.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is the knock-up of the years and decades after the night is the same thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Put them in a camp, let them live intense for three or four generations.

[SPEAKER_02]: and you wonder why there is resistance to the Nazi-like rule of Zionist Israel over the territory that they have.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, they're taking it all.

[SPEAKER_02]: They've already, they're in Southern Lebanon.

[SPEAKER_02]: They are building buildings in Southern Lebanon.

[SPEAKER_02]: Could you imagine if Mexico decided, you know what, North of the Rio Grande is looking pretty good to us?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's mostly speaks Spanish anyway.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're taking it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we're putting up some government buildings there.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you guys just sit tight.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine that that's what they're doing to Lebanon [SPEAKER_02]: They blew up all the weapons.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is after Assad left and have stoked violence there and have seized a course of go and heights and got their eye on most of the drew areas in the south and then also the capital city.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's part of Greater Israel.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's not hidden and then in Gaza they went the whole thing and they went the gas fields.

[SPEAKER_02]: and they can't have gossens there, claiming at the UN that this is their property.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they have to kill the gossens.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's no doubt as to what they intend to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: Their time is running out, which is, I think, why they're accelerating.

[SPEAKER_02]: The time's running out, why?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because even though we haven't suspended arms in aid, we're filling everything that they need.

[SPEAKER_02]: The European countries are done.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're done for with that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not just because some of their leaders opposed genocide, and it's a bad look for Europe.

[SPEAKER_02]: you know, procolonialism and all that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's also because Europe is in terrible economic shape, in part because of the war in Ukraine, in part because of their refusal to integrate and by energy from the East, they don't want to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now they're buying it from us at a premium, which Trump says, oh, what a great deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then they have the tariffs and Trump goes, what a great deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it is not a good deal for Europe.

[SPEAKER_02]: of flow arms to Israel and there people don't like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so Israel has a little bit of time left to make it worth everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is awful to say, but I think they will succeed in what they're trying to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they have a target population of probably half a million.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, 500,000 remaining Palestinians that will be men, women, and children, they'll all be sick and their leaders, if any, emerge.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they killed the journalists, the doctors, and the professors, and the activists.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the military, when they can find them, there's not much military in Gaza, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you have some homost guys running around.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, doing what they can to defend Gaza, but um, and so they killed those whenever they can both in Gaza and in surrounding countries like, oh, I don't know, Doha.

[SPEAKER_02]: Who, so their plan is, hey, half a million, you know, maybe a hundred thousand men, but demoralized people sick wounded.

[SPEAKER_02]: we can handle them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that is disgusting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: That the rest of the world is sitting back and letting and saying that, hey, this is crazy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because Israel's telling us what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, making this stuff up.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just look at the papers.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're telling us, this is their plan.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: They are, they are taking what they can take.

[SPEAKER_02]: They figure to be easy to hold it.

[SPEAKER_02]: on Donald Trump in particular, but also in Washington and also in the Congress.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think maybe that won't last.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do see, you know, we're seeing, you know, breaks and we're seeing a little shredding of the chain or the rope that they're hanging us with.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think it's going to shred in time to save Gaza.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, when we have to live with this, and we are at fault here.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Americans, we're not like innocent bystanders here.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't get it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, it's very upsetting.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Karen, thank you so much for your detailed and powerful analysis on the situation in Gaza and with this assassination attempt in Qatar.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, Karen, let's clip I have for you today.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is NATO Secretary General, Mark Rutei, talking about his policy when it comes to Russia and Vladimir Putin.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do we have that clip, Chris?

[SPEAKER_03]: We might be struggling.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we interested in what Russia thinks about troops in Ukraine?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a sovereign country.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not for them to decide.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really amazed.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not criticizing you, but I hear this question, of course, more often.

[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for asking the question, but I'm really amazed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Russia has nothing to do with this.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same like Finland, then Tula've had a sort of...

[SPEAKER_00]: And not, yes, from Russia to joint NATO, no, of course not.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Sweden, no, in the past, the fact that we found that NATO will be a sovereign nation, or Ukraine is a sovereign nation, if Ukraine wants to have security guarantee forces in Ukraine to support the peace, it's up to them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody else can decide about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we really have to stop making Putin too powerful.

[SPEAKER_00]: He is the government of Texas, not more.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's so funny because, you know, he's speaking for NATO, which is offering all these troops and actually designing very detailed plans of who which countries will send what troops and then he says, oh, that's for Ukraine to decide, well, two things, one of course, if it was for Ukraine to decide, they would have elections now, and Zelensky would not be their leader.

[SPEAKER_02]: neither would anybody that's currently running the country because the people are sick of war overwhelming majority of the people are not happy with this they want it to end okay so but they're a sovereign country and so NATO gets to tell them you can die for for our objectives to terrorize Russia but in any case yeah big problem there with that but the other thing is the you know Rudy Rudy himself and NATO his his predecessors and NATO [SPEAKER_02]: They did not like it when North Korean troops participated on Russian soil and cursed, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Remember when they were there and they were like, go nuts about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, wait a minute, the rush is a sovereign country.

[SPEAKER_02]: If they want to have troops from North Korea, why not?

[SPEAKER_02]: Of course we know from American perspective that we even get upset if there are foreign troops in South America.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not even on our border.

[SPEAKER_02]: But in our hemisphere, we don't like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he's very, he's been very disingenuous, but he's not known to be a bright guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He and Colis, I think, are peas in a pod when it comes to their intellectual ability.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is a problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is a big problem.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Gary, we will end it.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a fantastic punchline on the episode.

[SPEAKER_03]: They are comparing route A to college.

[SPEAKER_03]: Those are certainly two of the dimmest of the European leaders.

[SPEAKER_03]: So anyways, thank you so much for your time on the show today.

[SPEAKER_03]: Bring your brilliant analysis.

[SPEAKER_03]: Being willing to talk about the political assassination, Utah just moments after it happened and having such thoughtful analysis on that was fantastic.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, Karen, [SPEAKER_03]: I hope you come back to the show again in the future and everybody be sure to read all of Karen's articles.

[SPEAKER_03]: You find them all over the place, Judge NAP.com, the Ron Paul Institute, Lou Rockwell.com, always great and very thoughtful analysis on what is happening in America around the world.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very kind.