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I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective.

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The King, we are recapping another doozy episode of The Real house Wasser words, Telty and my girl is back to deal with me.

The beautiful blonde bombshell Alexis Leena.

Yeah, I'm pretty blonde now I've been a little blonder.

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Thanks you did the wedding.

The wedding procedures have paid off, Carlos.

All the all the needles, all the all the bruising, all the swelling, it's now better.

You know.

I didn't plump anything, I didn't put anything in like uh fillers.

But I have botox and micro needle beyond capacity.

And thank you to all my doctors.

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Yeah, so girl, we have to get to this episode, so let's just get right into it.

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So the episode began with the continuation the ladies having dinner.

In this dinner, you know, the cliffhanger last week was Tamera telling Shannon, well, look, I'm not the only one who concerned about you.

Gina is.

So now we get Gina's response to that particular.

Moment, and look, Gina's like, I was can serve, But look, Tamra, Mike, conserve for Shannis started when you took her out to have a drink after YouTube.

You know, we're making up and all of those things, and that's not something good to do.

Tamra's like, look, I damned if I do.

I damned.

The by do drinking is Shanna's love language.

That's what she wanted to do.

I didn't think it's a bad idea.

Everyone sort of slip on this, but alexis, what do you think about that?

Is Tamara the wrong for taking Shannon outward drinking knowing that she may she may allegedly, you know, have a issue with alcohol.

Well, you know, I'm opinionated, but this one I am with the audience.

I am.

I am torn because here's the reason why Tamar's doing everything she can to just let she Hada know, like.

Look, we I mean, I get it.

We both have fed up, We've both been not great friends at certain times, but we have a job to do.

So I kind of feel that side from Tamra.

But then again, I see Gina side where it's like, could you have made up a secret handshake or something like, I mean, I don't know, there could have been something else or let's go get a coffee, probably with a shot of Baileyes in it.

But anyway, I don't know.

I'm torn too.

Yeah.

Now listen, I'm torn as well because the thing is bits if someone really does have a relationship with alcohol, the last thing you do is sort of introduce to them.

They're not not introduced, but reintroduced to them.

The problem from what I gathered from the season, if I'm not mistaken, Alexus correct me if I'm.

Wrong, Shannon never said she.

Gave up alcohol, and I think that's the difference that exactly is.

Yeah, So I am.

Signing more on the Tamra side of things only because if Shanna said emphatically, luck, I don't want to drink anymore.

I've been going to a a I have a sponsor that Tamara is a bath riad.

Shannon clearly drinks around them where they're at these restaurants, when they're when they're you know, hanging out.

So if Tamra's like, look, you're you're you're drinking, why didn't it have a drink in solidarity?

Exactly?

She never Shannon never said I'm I don't I'm sober.

I'm not drinking anymore, because you know, sure as well, none of those housewives are gonna take Shannon to go get a shot if she says she's sober.

You know.

So that is a very good point, very good point.

But I do still see Gina's side only because it's like, look, you can't preach all last season and all this time that you think she has a drinking problem and then go, hey, buddy, let's go big cocktail, you know, like, But and then again, I just I see Tamra's side too.

I'm definitely torn it.

But I don't think Tamra just because of what you said.

I don't think it's completely off limits.

When Shannon's sitting there drink, making every single meal, every single morning when they have she have pain, so she hasn't stopped.

So yeah, yeah, she had lifted.

I watched the show Shannon.

It said that her DUI and these are her words.

Now I'm paraphrasing, of course, but she said like, look, it was an isolated incident and that she doesn't have a drinking problem.

Now.

The person who also had.

A DUI on this cast is Gina, and Gina doesn't drink anymore.

And I think that's the reason why, in Gena's defense, she's way more sensitive to.

The idea of what she's recognizing.

And I think I think what Gina should more articulate is the fact that look, as a person who had a bad relationship with alcohol, who had to give up alcohol, maybe there are sides that I'm seeing in Shannon than I saw myself.

That's why I'm way more sensitive to it than any of these women.

Very true, Very true.

Yeah, yeah, And I respect and commend Gina for you know, she didn't quit.

She didn't quit right after the DUI.

I think it was like a whole other year or something that went by that she drank, but she originally like she she realized and recognized, Okay, I'm going to stop, and she did.

And I loved her comment when she's like, that's what you call California sober, Like she still, you know, smokes a joint.

It's so true.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no.

But that's why I appreciate Gina obviously being concerned because of what she's been through.

And look, I think it tough to Shannon.

I will say this.

I think Shannon has to figure out for herself whether or not she feels like she has luck.

As of now, it doesn't seem like she does, and that's a paromative.

But I don't think you should attack Tamera.

For letting her have a drink if that's what she's been doing on camera off camera anyway.

So exactly, I'm from the old Tamera's side when she said, I'm damn with by do, I'm damned by doubt.

And we'll get into the rest of the episode, but before we get to all of that, we have to talk about the person at whose job Nowaday seems to be exposing any and everything Tamra has done, and that is your favorite person has Slade.

Okay, but you know what, I knew you were probably gonna go here.

I mean, how can you not after that episode?

But Carlos, like I said it, last episode that we did, the last podcast we did together, he just needs to get a job.

It's like he wants to be the next housewife.

He's gonna be sallacious and bring up stupid stuff.

I think him and Gretchen jumped on the tear down the Tamra train like they're on that train, tear down Tamra train exit B, like that's where they're at.

And so I don't know.

It's the whole thing is frustrating.

And it's like, you notice how Tamar didn't bring them up one time on her trip or at all the season so far, And that's all Gretchen and Slade can talk about.

Well, Slay, who shouldn't even be a part of it, but you know Gretchen can talk about so I don't.

It's just I don't like it.

I don't like it.

I gotta be honest with she was Cavia Brooks, you know what I mean.

So to update the audience, the girls on the trip, we have Emily, Heather and Gretchen is hanging out was fult of like this slumber party and itaily brings up like, oh, I've heard you have a song.

That Tamra saying and a recording studio.

Emily didn't bring it up.

No, Gretchen's the one that brought up.

Gretchen goes, oh, I have four songs, and then she goes and Tamra house are song and it's Gretchen purposely brought that up.

You could tell she could not wait to get that brought up.

So and then Emily was just like, well, now I'm not gonna let it die now.

I want to hear the song.

So do I.

By the way, so do I?

And I don't.

I haven't even heard it yet, So I want to hear the song.

No, I did too.

I'm like to give you Molly Cyrus and byonce, you know, most wanted like what.

Was not saying?

She was not trying to like record this was that's a funny thing between her and her neighbor.

She was not trying to become Beyonce.

Okay, she you know Tamor she makes fun of herself and takes her top off on television like she's she's just that girl.

And so her and her neighbor were recording a song and it wasn't to go anywhere.

It was just fun.

And now here it is made into this stupid scandalous thing that's not there.

It's not there.

She didn't sleep with this guy.

She's friends with the husband and the wife.

So you can completely reject all that.

Okay, just one more thing that's not true coming out of their minds.

Well, well, let's get into it because the allegation that Slade has and listen, I gotta be honest as somebody who enjoyed Gretchen a lot when she was on the show seventeen years ago, I have to agree with you, Alexis, and I think in this scene it was the realization that Gretchen's producer is Slade.

Thank you very much.

You said it.

It's girlfriend, that is her, Jimmy Jeame and Terry Liliz that is her.

That's her manager, it's her producer, it's her slipper.

As you said, it's it is a borderline gross.

But unfortunately, yes, unfortunately he's he's he didn't go to college to do that.

He didn't.

He doesn't have the he doesn't have the credentials to be a producer, so he's not it's not landing well, so she needs to actually hire someone that will do it, and he needs to go get a job, like I've said.

You know.

Well, and then it came out, which we're going to get to.

Speaking of job, it came out that Gretchen does pay for everything and he is a living off of her.

So it's like, I mean, and their whole story doesn't make sense.

So yeah, but I don't know.

I just feel I feel like Gretchen can be so funny and so fun on her own that she doesn't need all of this other stuff and to try to take Tamer down to be the cool girl.

Like, I just think she would have gotten a lot better, you know, receiving the audience, receiving her better if she just would have just came on the show.

But look at me, Everyone says that about me.

If I wouldn't have defended John last season, I would have had a better you know, receiving Here's the thing.

I didn't defend him the whole time.

Everything else is on the chopping room floor.

All they aired was me defending him.

So that was just my job last year was to have that be my persona on the show, which is fine.

However, it is obvious that Gretchen does want to tear tamer down because Tamor's name doesn't even come up half the time, and she's the.

One that brings it up.

So that's the part that bothers me.

No, it bothers me too, And it bothers me because look, when you look at Slade, listen, not an im all for somebody doing fun Shade, that's the nature of the show.

What's becoming growth to me is the fact that everything seems to be pre played and pre produced to.

The point where it was pampully obvious they wanted to get out there that Tambra allegedly he slept with this person in the studio and that.

They actually have audio of Tamra allegedly having sex, which to me is disgusting, is gross.

So we go from hospital to alleged roofiness to now saying that you guys have a sex tape via audio of this woman and how apparently Slayed heard it.

And then you know.

Gretchen is not making sense because Gretchen literally said that someone sent the audio to Slade.

And then when Emily looks to Gretchen and says, you said you have the audio.

Gretchen says, no, I've heard the audio of Tamra in the studio trying to sing the song.

So look, Gretchen obviously lied to Emily's faith, and now I'm questioning once again.

Look, Katie has lied and we know that.

But now I'm like, Gretchen.

Katie is not lying when it comes to what you said.

Now I'm like, look, I believe every fucking thing Katie has said about Bretch at this.

First of all, I'm so glad you caught that because I caught it and I was gonna bring it up if if it would have remembered it.

But I totally I had that in my mind.

I'm like, she just got caught lying again over something stupid.

She could have just said Slade heard it or whatever said she said, no it got sent to Slade.

Okay, No, the stories didn't line up at all.

And the fact, by the way, Tara and this other you know, neighbor friend and his wife are ready to sue, so they better shush it.

Like she's done.

She's like this, yeah, yeah, they're ready.

She's like, this needs to stop.

It's the dumbest rumor I've ever heard it didn't happen, and I'm friends with them, Like like, how dare them even say?

And then Slade said he heard it or someone heard them.

The song went into that other people were in the studio, you idiots.

It wasn't just him and her in the studio recording the song.

It's like, I mean it just.

The whole thing is just it gives me that that icky feeling like ooh you know slimy.

Yeah, well blat slaty slade flat.

The big is this, So you're saying that the person that they're alleging Tamra have this affair within the studio is.

Actually friends Like yeah, yeah, So the guy is married and they're both friends with Tamra and they're saying this never has happened, and they're like ready to sue, which is interesting because I did hear that you heard it too?

How the names were bleeped out?

Yeah, And that's exactly why, because it is it is to the point where first of all, this poor neighbor guy is getting brought into a TV show that he wants nothing to do with, and the wife and him are friends with Tamra and he knows that this is not possible, not even true at any measure.

So it's like, you know, slander and defamation can be proven or libel.

I don't know which one it would be, but anyways, it can be proven.

As we know, Tama's not a litigious person because she got sued.

It doesn't really appreciate it.

But I mean, I'm speaking for her now, so I don't know if she really feels that way, but I do.

I think she doesn't want to.

But at the same time, what the heck?

This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.

Let's get back into the show.

You're saying that.

This couple is tensed that their names are being used pretty much for a storyline.

For scandalous, salacious stuff that's not true.

Yes, they're pissed.

Everyone's pissed.

Tamra's pissed too.

But you know, I think if it wouldn't have gone this far, and it would have been just some little if you know, tamer would have blown it off because she does it.

She knows how to do a TV show.

But now it's yeah, it's just it's gross and it's it's a lie.

So there you have it.

I'm so disappointed.

And Gretchen.

I just don't think she needed to come in like this.

I don't.

I mean, just listen, I'm gonna say, they said you're my friends, so I'm gonna I'm gonna compare it to your last season, right, because again there's gonna be people saying, well, Carlos Alexis came a hot last season, and I'm and I want us to talk about it right in your defense, Like you said, obviously a lot of things weren't shown.

And at the end of the day, at the end.

Of the day, you are in real life getting married to john and obviously his access on the show.

You're a friend, uh, she's a housewife.

The playing level is definitely not in your favor because you don't get a chance to say everything you need to say to defend yourself.

And at the end of the day, you to come in with this conspiracy, do you like?

I think, yes, go ahead.

That's the difference because I tell you something Carlos along those lines.

So I would be told don't talk about him.

Like every house I'd be like, stop talking about Johnson, And I was like, Okay, I don't need.

To talk about him.

He's not I have a lot going on in my life.

He is not my everything.

I mean, he is my everything, and I am marrying him in a few days, but he's not like I have a lot going on.

He didn't need to be my storyline.

So I would ovoue by that.

And I wouldn't even even if we had a great night out the night before and I had story about him or something, I would not talk about it.

Okay, just don't bring up John.

But every freaking scene one of the housewives would bring him up and say something to me about it.

So, by the way, as you can tell, I'm a passionate, opinionated human being.

And if you bring up my husband, who I knew I was gonna marry at the time, even back then, if you bring up my husband, I'm going to eat you alive.

Like, don't bring up his name, and I will go get the proof.

I will get the truth.

And it will be told.

So that's what happened, And it was really unfair because I felt like I was damned if I do and damned if I don't.

Just like Tamara, it was like if I didn't.

Bring him up, someone else would, and then they'd accuse him of something.

That's not true, then they'd have pity on Shannon when she calls the mess herself.

It's all of her mess.

So I was just I was literally in a tornado.

But you're right, Gretchen's is not that she doesn't have to bring Tamar's name and none of it needs to be told.

But I think when Gretchen.

Came on, she's like, who now I can take her down, you know, and it's backfiring, you know, because Tamra was disliked.

Last season just as much as me, because she is my friend and she went down with me.

Okay, she came down sunk the lexus because Tamra's my buddy.

Okay.

So that's a true friend, by the way, right there, that's someone who is a writer die friend, which even though like she kind of screwed me a little bit on that last scene of season eighteen, doesn't matter.

The truth is she's my writer die friend.

Okay.

So the problem is I think Gretchen was piggybacking on that and thinking, oh good now the audience hates her, I'm just going to take her down now, and it's not working because first of all, what you have aren't facts.

What you have are.

Falsehoods by a false producer telling you what to do.

So get the facts before you bring stuff like that to a TV show.

It is people's lives, no listen, I Tod not agree more.

And that's why I believe that Gretchen saw that the audience was not on Tamra's side.

And I do believe that Hear and Slade had a plan to take down Tamera because they thought that's what the audists wanted to see and look and their defense, sure, that is probably what the audists wanted to see.

However, the difference is it has to be something that makes.

Sense and tangible.

Not being Rufie, not going to the hospital after Nickod releted it, not saying this woman had a fair in recording studio and you guys have the audio.

All of that to me is when it's becoming to the point where it's I'm trying to find my word to use without being so like big like NBC like you are, Alexis.

But it's just it's it's dangerous.

I just feel like it's not fun.

It's day jurists lies.

But yeah, that's what I was going to say, the life part, because here's the deal, Carlos.

Sorry, I'm drinking die coke and I just had hiccup.

So here's the thing.

If what they were saying was real, then people would kind of jump on board.

But first of all, the roofie thing has been shown that it was a lie, and the Gretchen's trying to backpedal and say she didn't say it.

And then now the audio they said.

Or that he heard it and all this, they said they had the actual, you know, evidence of it and it was sentis late, and then she backpeddled on that.

I think that's also what's making the audience go hm, because the audience isn't stupid, you know, they're not stupid.

Yeah, yeah, no, And this is why the next day Gretcha wakes up regretting it.

And let's be clear, it's because her ins Laye had a conversation afterwards and.

She felt like, oh my gosh, this did not go the way we planned it to go.

She knew she was caught in a lie.

And the fact that she's telling you how an Emily, Hey, please don't break it up to Tamra.

I just don't want to get into with her.

I don't want to make this a big deal.

It's sort of like, we are going to make this a big deal because you made it a big deal by.

A lunching that this moment was fucking literally.

Around in a studio and you don't expect this to come back.

And you know how this show works.

I think dretching overplay her hand.

You're filming a TV show.

You think it's not gonna come out.

There's cameras there, mother ever, there's cameras.

But you know, first of all, they got her naked wasted again, which they weren't meaning to do.

But second of all, like that's why she was slippery loose mouth.

I mean, she was wasted, okay, but it's.

Like me last I last season though, listen, I'm self deprecating.

Okay, last season when I brought up the videos, I didn't mean to.

And then I was like, I was even sitting bed again.

We're the cameras still rolling then or not, and we weren't.

We weren't drunk then, okay, we were just up talking.

And I get fired up about Johnny because everything was not true that was being told about him, and I was I was losing my marbles by how many accusations and how I needed to calm down, and I'm like Shannon to stop up and lying.

That's what I wanted to happen.

And so anyways, that's when that came up, and I put my foot literally like put my foot in my mouth.

Okay, so I can get that camera or Gretchen probably had a cocktail too.

Many and then was like, ooh, this is fun.

Let's just get it all out there, and then regretted it the next morning.

That's what I think happened.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say this.

And they haven't taped the reunion yet on those coming up.

Listen as of now.

As of now, I will be surprised and Gretchen's acts back next season.

I just don't see a world in wish she camera co from this.

I don't know.

I don't know what is the problem like this, Bravo is its own animal.

I don't know.

They do things sometimes that are just it doesn't make sense to us, but then they I don't, so I don't know.

I can't even I have tried to project the future with all of that before.

I never thought I I get I'd never get thought I get about asked back after ten years.

So you know, I just I leave it to them.

They obviously know what they're doing because it's our twentieth season now, So yeah, whatever.

Yeah, I can't.

Project you're right about that.

You're right about that about that at all.

A theme that I thought was super said and one of the reasons why I do enjoy watching Gina.

So you know, Travini's Gina's boyfriend is trying to get custody of his children, and when it comes to the mother of his children, she's preventing their son allegedly.

That's what Gina is saying, that she's allegedly preventing their son from being around them, proclaiming that he doesn't feel safe around Gina and Travis, and Travis has a court day coming up.

It really made me feel sad, and again it is one of the reasons.

Why I do love this show, because we can get to the mess and the scandal, the scamp, those nature things, but it's these real story lies that I think makes oh See so special because I appreciate it seeing Gena emok about this.

Obviously, you know what.

It's like to be divorced and to try to make things work when it comes to co parenting.

What did you think about what Gena Travis is going through and what advice would you give to them?

I mean, it sinks.

That's why I said nobody wants to get married to get the divorce.

I mean, it just is not in people's People don't walk down the aisle to get a divorce and then have kids hoping that they raise them and broken family.

It is the hardest thing for parents to do is to lose their kids fifty.

Percent of the time.

And I think that.

I think the only.

Thing Gina and Travis can do is be steadfast and stay calm and show their truth and court.

I mean, obviously, did they say this is going to go to court?

Didn't she say?

I'm thinking she said she.

I don't know if they, but anyway, if there's a bottle over the battle over the kids, it's going to go to court.

So I just think they have to stay I mean, lawyer up with the best one you can and stay calm and don't don't bat mouth that other parent, take the facts.

Start journaling, like I journaled everything all the time when I you know, when we were fifty to fifty and then I got the kids full time, but I journaled every day, what would happen, everything in and out.

I sent it all to my attorney every time, like you you have to have the the you know, the story behind it too to and the facts to prove it.

Heart I feel horrible for.

Them now, ad adtu.

That's so interesting because on the real health wots of Miami, that is something that Lisa talked about.

Her lawyers recommended her to do as well as to take note of everything, to drink everything, every single thing is it is one of the reasons to do that Alexis is to have this sort of log of what happens so that you can figure a case.

In a court of law.

Yeah, yeah, so yeah, you have to.

I mean you have to have it.

And that was the number one thing from the attorney was just Alexis journal every day.

So and I still have them.

I mean it didn't matter because we didn't have to go to court.

It just it just they just moved in but which was a blessing in disguise.

But I did have it.

So I think that Gina needs to start that today and maybe even go back in our memory and remember certain to go back to texts and look at the text from her and Travis Stones and record things from that so that you can redrag your memory about what happened in April, you know kind of thing.

So it just sinks that it seeks to be on a television show and have to you know that that's exploited.

But you are on reality, so you're right, your personal life does come out, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, But she's relatable because a lot of people go through this.

I mean, look at the doors right in California, it's like seventy five percent, So a lot of people can relate to this.

Which is wild, which is wild, But no, I think Gina's so relatable.

Again, we saw her battle alcoholism, the d UI, this, this relationship with Travis, going through divorce from her ex husband, being as thing a mom, getting her real estate license.

Like listen, I know, Gina Emily get a lot of shit on social media and whatever.

That's that.

But what I will say is I think Gina has always been somebody that's given her reality to the show and that should not be taken for granted because a lot of these other women do not do so.

Which leads me to the next topic of the conversation, which was.

The moment Alexis that went left and I did not see it coming.

So the girls are hanging out towards the end of the.

Episode and Shannon is talking about, you know, what she is going through in therapy her her parents.

Tama listen now, Shannon is evoting, and I'm like, okay, it's nice to hear personal story.

Talma's like, oh, you know your father had a drinking problem too.

Is that's something that you know you talk on a therapy and Alexis Bellino.

Shannon lost her shit and felt that Tamera had no right to bring this up on television right now, whether or not that is something that she kept private.

I get that because the father is on camera to defit himself.

So I get it.

I get it, I get I get it.

The part that I don't get and I would love to get your thoughts on it.

And it then became a question of Tamra's intentions in terms of why did she bring it up and what we talked about earlier that I wanted to relate to this scene is what Tamra said at the time of the episode.

I'm damned if I do.

I'm damned if I don't.

And I said this last week to you about I'm getting assists that they want to ice.

Al Tamra again.

I don't.

I did not think for one second that Tamera brought up her father's alcoholism to relate to the girls and the audience that Shannon also had to take a problem.

I thought that was a reach.

I didn't get that one bad.

I have to be honest because I have to act like Tamar's not my friend right now, and I try to be objective during this podcast so that the truth, like I want to tell, I want to speak the truth from what I.

Think the viewers think.

Okay, I I think in hindsight, and I have not spoken to Tamar about this, so I'm totally speaking not I don't know if this is how she felt, but I think she probably regretted it.

Alf I think in the moment, she one hundred percent was trying to relate to Shannon, be kind to Shannon, like help Shannon.

I think at the.

After that she probably was like, Yeah, it probably wasn't the worst thing to say.

Because I'm watching it, I'm going, ohugh, oh, you're trying to.

Get back in there, and then you just happened to just go there.

The little you know, could totally be taken but taken bad.

But the problem is Shannon is very sensitive to that subject.

You know, she's defensive about the subject of alcohol in general because of everyone thinks she has a drinking problem.

So I think that that it really went low for Shannon.

But I also think Shannon is just not going to ever, you know, I think Tama's trying to do it for the show and like, Okay, look, we got to move on.

We're creating a show here, and Shannon's just holds grudges and stays bitter and is not going to move forward.

I mean, she's not budging at all, like you know, and and I do see honestly where Shannon could be like that was kind of low Tamar.

You know, like if that was set in confidence, and that's the truth, that it was set in confidence and not to be you know, not to be shared on television, which I didn't watch all the other seasons, so I don't know if it got brought up in any other episode that you know, her dad had a drinking problem.

But anyway, either any way around it, I kind of see where it should not have been said.

There's other ways to try to relate with Shannon.

But I don't think Tamra did it intentionally to start.

You could even tell by Tamra's personality or like or like like Aura in that moment, She's sitting there like really concerned and she's like, well this if this is festering inside, like you really do you know?

She was coming from a place of caring.

It sounded like not like because what Tamma's on on camera, Tamra on camera, Tamera, Oh.

That was good?

Anyway, that was I didn't I didn't know that.

By the way, on.

Camera, camera camera, if you can see that, she's like, can't wait to throw that napkin in Jin's face, you know, or whatever.

But this seemed like a heart felt, like in the moment kind of Tamera.

You know, first of all, I actual people hunch percent, you know.

I agree that.

That's why I said earlier, I don't understand why Shanna felt like that's not a good place to break up something about my own father.

I have as for sin agree with that that's.

Not Tarra's place to break up anything relating to someone else.

My biggest thing was I do not think Tamra had bad attentions right taking it up to Shannon.

I thought the same thing you did, Like, she's in the moment, she's trying to get back in there, and I think what the audience doesn't quite understand, and I think, oh, I'm curious if you know more about this obviously than we do, because you're friends with camera.

Shanna and Tamra, we're best friends for over a decade and had several conversations.

And one thing I do know producing these shows, Alexis, is unless you tell somebody, do not bring us up on camera when I'm about to tell you.

There's so much.

Information you know about a person that when you're trying to be really the moment, it is sometimes hard to say to yourself, oh, but cameras aren't here, I should not bring us up because I don't know if that's something that's off limits, whereas there's other things I know that are off limits.

And that's the reason why I didn't think Tamra was trying to be a bad friend.

I thought that Tamar was like, oh, I know this because we talked a lot, and that's why way she saw Shanni's reaction, she did not double down on it.

She did not make excuses for it.

She said, Okay, I didn't know, but I wasn't trying to do that and felt the need to lead this scene to crime.

But do you think the audience and maybe you know more too, that she had Tamar really had a brow friendship at one.

Point they did.

They did, and I do agree with you on that.

I didn't think about that perspective, but yeah, because like, but here's the thing, like Tamara knows a lot about me, I know a lot about her, and we don't talk about those things on camera because we have said those exact words to each other, like this is this is just between and you, you know, kind of thing kind of like music off the record when you're talking to a reporter, you know, it's like yes, So so I think that I And perhaps it was because it was so in the moment that Tamra was like oops, you know, I guess now I truely and I should ask her about this because I haven't talked to her about that, but I wonder if she did, like after, you know, on the drive home, kind of think yeah, maybe I should have said that, you know, because you have to go back in your whole ten years of a friendship and go, wait, what did we say not to say?

And what did we say?

Was okay to say?

You know so?

And maybe Tamer was thinking Shannon's drinking issue is so public now you know, the whole world knows it and sees it, so maybe it's not a bad thing to talk about her dad now too, because it is out there.

So I don't know.

I don't know, Carlos.

I wouldn't have said it.

I'm telling you that I wouldn't.

If I was in Tamer's shoes and had known that information, I would not have gone there.

So let's just that, get that clear.

Yeah, now, listen, that's why if that not the thing, that's why it's so hard with these shows because on one hand, we want real friendships and we want broke conversations, but when it happened, the other person breaks up the fourth wall and says, I'll want that to be probably television, which again I get it.

Shannon's ninety six year old five is not to defend himself.

And look, I'm somebody who has a dad, thankfully who's still alive, and I don't want to expose his business to the world because I decided to be a person on camera, not him.

So I totally get it.

The response though, with so Jen felt like, no, I believe Tamara did that have with bad attention.

I think she did it so that the world and the girls can relate Shannon's alcohol.

Looked to her dance and see that it's a pattern in the history there.

Said let me go get to the bottom of thisss and went in and legitimately I believed her when she was like going and she wasn't trying to stir the pot, she would like camera.

I don't remember how she worded it, so paraphrasing, but like Tamra, what did you mean that?

What was that meant as a dig?

And then when Tamra says no, then aren't in a good place?

I don't think.

I mean, it seems like they're always bickering on the show.

But then she goes to Jen, goes to Shannon and then said, look, I asked her, it wasn't a dick.

She said, it wasn't a dick.

So I appreciated Jenn in that moment for actually being the one trying to get to the bottom of it and being objective for a moment instead of being biased.

You know, I agree, I agree, I agree, and look, Shannon's like whatever.

I believe.

What I believe is she left.

Listen, I, like I said to you before, Shannon is great television.

I based on what I saw this episode two, I am still going.

To say this.

I think Shannon needs a break.

Because I'm over the walking away, I'm over not dealing with things hit on and really having a conversation.

She doesn't like Tamra.

And look, what I will say is is Shannathan fence.

I understand because Tamra was not nice to her last season and the things that Tamarra said to Shannon was not nice.

And I understand that.

But you're either going to move on or not.

And if your stance is and I do not want to be friends with you, just stand on business, stay on that shit and don't play this sort of like dangling situation to where we're fine.

We're not fine.

I'm ready, I'm not ready.

I think that's confusing for any friend to be like where did we go from here?

And I based on this episode, I just don't think Shannon Tamara would ever be friends again.

I think Tamara's trying.

I think Tamra other still, she did a lot of dash shit to her last season.

But I also think Shannon is not.

Giving Tamara any sort of any sort of half to have a reconciliation, to at least be friends, maybe not best friends, but to at least be friends.

Well my take on that is to kind of top with yourself, like go along with what you're saying, is I think their friendship would never be more more than a TV friendship at this point.

I think too much water is at the bridge.

I think that it would be a working relationship, which is what needs to happen on these TV shows.

Not everyone can be best friends, not everyone can have a true friendship aside from the show.

You have to have the TV friendships and you have to have the real friendships.

So I think that that is what Shannon should try to do, is at least have enough kumbaya.

They're not going to call each other and go off for coffee.

I mean, let's be real, They're not.

There's I mean, and you're talking about how bad Tamra was to Shannon, but Shannon ghosted Tamra when Tamar got kicked off the show, ghosted her after a ten year of friendship, so you know, so I don't know, there's a lot of there's a lot of things between both of them that were wrong and that showed, you know, and then Tamara never felt like Shannon Barah felt like Tamar felt like Shannon never actually like reached out and said how are you?

How is your life?

It was always Tamar trying to fix Shannon.

But along those lines when you said Shannon needs a pause, Here's the thing.

Shannon keeps saying in her interviews confessionals that she's never been happier.

But yet she's crying every single episode.

She's never smiling anymore.

She's it was even last season.

She's just she's not happy.

So I do feel like she needs a reset button, like a little maybe a pause would have her start getting into her own life, get a hobby, get find something else that makes you excited about life again, you know.

So yeah, I mean maybe a pause would be good for her.

Yeah.

I think that's my think.

I think when it comes to Shannon, I think she's had a lot of bad things happen to her right and she will always give my grace for that.

I don't think.

Self induced I have to do Okay, no, no, no, let's let's talk about let's talk about it.

Obviously, I was.

Going back to the first introduction of what she was going through with a divorce.

Dat years ago.

Okay, yeah, like like.

This the pattern here.

Listen it.

I may be the minority in the situation, that's fine.

I don't think Shannon has ever healed from David.

I watched the show and looked when a man cheats only you in that way and the embarrassedment that.

Followed, and you have.

Daughters, right, I think that I and you're still filming a TV show.

I don't think Shannon ever had the time to heal from David and everything.

Like you said that We're going to be honest here that has been self induced is because of my opinion she had she has.

She has not allowed herself to heal from what her David went through because she never all that matters with and I think like most women, like most women who deal with infidelity, I do believe she thought David would change.

Yeah, I mean I didn't.

I didn't watch that season, but I heard about obviously the news and stuff that I I mean, my heart goes out to anyone who gets cheated on, for sure, and any any marriage that dissolves, because regardless of his fault it is, or if it's fifty to fifty of faults, it's not easy and it stinks.

So maybe you are one hundred percent right that that is what catapulted all of the tornado that is around Shannon.

You know, like, maybe that is yeah, yeah, so that's that's pretty insightful.

Well, you're not trying to be a like, say, you know, I've been doing this for a long time.

I'm talking to me a little bit of sightful.

So hopefully that that gives reasons So listed I'm asking for the plause because I think she.

Needs a year off to heal herself.

And I I just don't think she has done the work because rightfully so, she hasn't had the time because she's been filming ever since that whole situation happened.

But nevertheless, nevertheless, listen, oh see, is a Katie less season?

My last question for you, Alexi before ibably let you go to your busy, busy, busy busy life.

My darling, are you missing Katie from the show?

I am.

I don't know if I'm in the minority or the majority, but I you know, and I'm even a little bit mad still about her lying about the whole audio and memo thing.

But see how I can get over things because I'm forty eight years old and it's like, okay, it's let's.

Move on everybody.

But I am I.

I don't see a way that she can be around the women.

It seems like they have iced her out and they don't trust her enough to have her even in a realm of work, realm way.

But of the show.

But I loved her confessionals.

I think she's funny.

I love her.

Her husband, so I you know, I want more of him on the show because I think he's the crack up, you know, and he doesn't.

Produce her obviously, and he does it.

You know, he is a mate that's like, I'm your companion and I'm here to defend you, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna.

Do your job for you or be your business partner.

So anyway, I just I miss her.

I do.

I hope that.

I mean, I thought she's at least it's the reunion, right, Like, I don't know, do you have any intel on that, Carlos, give us the intel.

Look at you after we have a good question.

You know, I love that.

You have friends in high places, honey, So you you give us a little bit of goose.

Like I said last week, juseid gossip, give us a lib.

I just hope at the reunion and can speak a little bit of her mind.

You know she's not perfect.

We know she has a slippery mouth when it and and and you know, but I don't feel like she has a heart like Gretchen has.

I feel like Gretchen came in and is telling why and just in destruction mode.

I feel like Katie simply has loose lips and doesn't mean things to slip out when they do, and then she back peddles.

Well, I think they're totally two different intentions.

I agree, And look, I think I think I miss her.

I'm gonna tell you why.

Number one, I do one thousand, one hundred percent believe she'll be ole to you again.

One percent.

Okay, so we get we get to see that for sure.

I drew you, Alexus.

I miss her because at the end of the day she added something that was interesting to watch, brother than I thought she was a liar, and listen, I do think she has lied.

However, she's not the first the only Housewatch we have lied about some feet so so I have never ever ever asked for the firing of Katie Janella.

I will say this, love her, hate her.

She brought something interesting to the show.

She it was, and that's why I said to me to the audience, she this enigma.

My opinion about her remains the same.

But I never was said give off my show.

It was more so like if you can't handle they, he'd get off the kitchen.

But I would rather see her fight through getting her voice heard than what i've seen now.

And I'll leave it at that.

I agree.

I hope she comes on that reunion if what you say is true, I hope she comes on that reunion and is strong, bold, has a voice and says her peace to where the Bramos like, yeah, we kind of eat her back, you know, And hopefully the other women can, you know, have a little bit of a shift in heart, maybe just a little just I don't know.

I don't think Heather de Row will ever im was shifting heart with her.

But we'll see.

I mean, Heather is pretty, Heather is pretty forgiving, so we'll see.

Yeah, I hope, So, I hope, So, I hope so.

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