If you celebrated in any way the murder of Charlie Kirk, I have an important message to tell you today on the podcast Okay, heavy topic today we're going to cover and we man sitting with me, we have not done a whole lot of research here.

We're going to just speak and see what comes out, because we've got a lot of thoughts, and we're going to use the Bible, and we're going to use some comments we've seen on social media, and we're going to try to help kind of bridge the gap of understanding as we see completely different schools of ideas here in America recently this past month of what a month, this past September was for us as we saw how so many things happen, but including the remembrance of nine to eleven in the middle of everything else that we saw, specifically thinking about the murder of Charlie Kirk and people that have celebrated this murder.

And by no means am I what I'm not trying to rile up an ant bed here.

I'm not trying to as ant man sitting with me, I'm not trying to rally troops.

That's not what I'm doing To say, we need to rise up against people that have celebrated a murder or that have protested a funeral memorial.

That's not what this podcast is about.

If that's why you came to this podcast because of the title, then you could this might not be of interest to you.

You should listen.

You should listen because I want to specifically want to speak to the person that is celebrating the murder.

I have something to say about this, and so we're gonna get to it.

You you mentioned, and for instance, you mentioned a video today as we're sitting here that of a mother and a couple daughters, two daughters.

Tell us, tell me that story.

The video is of you don't see the mom.

The mom's holding the phone and she says to her two daughters.

They look they're young, old enough to talk and know kind of what's going on.

At least.

The mom says, I have the best news.

And the girls are smiling already, and one of them goes, the president's dead, and the mom giggles and says, no, guess again, and either the same girl or one of the other girls says the vice President's dead.

No no thing.

What would be like the best news in the world.

I've turned it off of that.

You don't know what that was about.

Yeah, I mean there's so much happening right now that and during that time that I was like, Okay, I've had a I get what this is about.

Move on.

But I saw continually popping up, people redoing it.

And then I saw a mom that started with that, and then she goes, hang on a second.

She walks down to her daughter's room and their kids are is in the living room.

The kids are in the living room and ask one kid, Hey, I have the best news.

Can you guess what it is?

And the kid's like, I don't know.

The mom goes, yes, it's the best news.

Ever, trying to recreate the first video, like as a joke.

Yeah.

And the kid says, we're having pizza tonight now, which one of those seems more normal.

And the point that the second mom was trying to point out was this is a normal reaction from a child.

If your child's first response is the president is dead, there's way more going on.

There's way more going on.

It's something that's taught.

Both the pizza and the president are something that that's kind of cultivated.

So let's dive into this what we're doing.

The only way we could explain this and this is it kept me going a little bit because because I love Amber, my wife, and she has a book coming out in October, and she posted a book club invitation for her book on her Instagram.

Yeah, and these comments started coming in for that invitation talking about her previous post in support of in memory of Charlie Kirk, and they're like, I can no longer support your book, which has nothing to do with any of that.

I can no longer support your book because now I know that you have supported Charlie Kirk, who is you know, a racist and a bigot.

And then da da da da da you know, so you know, and I see that and there are like long explanations and I see it and I get inside me.

My flesh gets riled up.

I'm like, what you're talking about?

My wife?

You know?

Uh?

And I can't understand.

I can't comprehend why Amber could be in support of the family of Charlie Kirk and the gospel message of Charlie Kirk and how she could post that and support of that and love for that, you know, and that someone could think from Amber that's hating, that is that is to hate others.

That is, that is for Amber to say that is to be racist.

I can't understand that, but that's because I have a different cultural paradigm.

And this is the only way, This is the only explanation, and I'll explain this.

That could help us understand why we could look at at our neighbor or that lives in our same city, are on the same street as we do, that might have that might watch the same Saturday morning cartoons as we did when we were ten years old.

How they could think something that is so foreign to our brain.

And that's because we have a shift in cultural paradigms.

Let me explain.

A cultural paradigm is a deep seated assumption or value or pattern that shapes how people in a particular society think, act, and relate to one another.

These paradigms influence everything from communication styles and leadership to family life, religion, and economics.

They are not just surface customs like clothing or hairstyles.

They are mental maps that entire groups of people live by.

That's a cultural paradigm.

The interesting thing about this, the current situation, is that we are seeing a paradigm shift within a culture itself.

And that's because possibly because we're in the melting pot of the United States, where we all are very, very different, and we have very polarizing political opinions right now, and it's been so polarizing over the last couple decades that we have there is become now a paradigm shift within the culture.

And I say that again because usually cultural paradigms are based on countries or continents or sometimes communities, right, but rarely split within a community.

But I think we're so confused right now because we're seeing a paradigm shift within the community.

I first started thinking about this well seminary.

We we've talked a lot about cultural paradigms throughout the world.

And the beautiful thing about cultural paradigms is that g Is in the Gospels perfectly answers all of the major cultural paradigms throughout the Gospels.

I'll explain that.

But the new one that's that has has now shown its face here in America.

I first started thinking about this from a a pastor named Josh Howardton.

We've talked about him a little bit on this podcast.

Yeah, he talked about a new cultural paradigm that's built on top of the critical theory that is now the paradigm is and let me let me back up just a second, say that that you're ant man me and you our cultural paradigm would essentially be right verse.

Wrong, which when we first started talking about this, I thought it is there is there another one?

Yeah, it's you would say, is there another one?

Because because it's a mental map for you, it is a deep seated assumption.

Is that in a definition or value or pattern that has shaped the way you think, So you think it's a filter.

In the West, it's a filter that you must see everything through.

There is no erasing a cultural paradigm.

Right, It's part of your your everything, it's part of your mental vision.

So you see everything through the lens of right verse wrong, and so do I, and so to probably a lot of people listening, unless you're from, for instance, to far East and you see it through the lens of honor verse shame.

And maybe you're in the Middle East and you see it in terms of dirty verse clean are impure verse pure.

Same thing, right dirty versus clean dirty?

Yeah, dirty clean improor impure verse pure.

And then and we see a lot like like Japanese, Chinese Korean will will live strongly with honor shame.

Sure now our cultural paradigm, it out trumps the our moral compass.

It becomes our moral compass.

Sure you should say so.

For instance, let's think of a hypothetical situation and a cultural paradigm.

This is all back seminary work a few years ago.

If I if as as a right wrong paradigm guy, and a lot of it's because I live in the West and most of us are here in America.

If I go to a If I go to a restaurant and I'm I'm sitting there eating a meal, I'm just making this up.

I'm eating a meal at a restaurant and I'm friends with me, and I get a I get a notification that says your credit card has is now overdrafted, so we're going to shut down your credit card temporarily, and I'm going to buy this meal for everyone in America.

Because I'm a right wrong guy, I would go, Guys, I messed up.

I have overdrafted my card.

Can anybody spot me?

It's embarrassing, but I'll then know you later.

But can you just get me out of this hole and cover me?

And no one at the table would be like what an idiot.

They'd be like, yeah, bro, I got you right.

Wrong, because it would be wrong to do it any another way.

But if we're in Asia, right, if that's not my cultural paradigm, if my paradigm is hon or shame, I will do anything I can to avoid shame.

So I would say something like, guys, I'll handle this.

I'll go ahead and pay for the meal.

Y'all want to go ahead and go out to the parking lot and get the car.

I'll meet you outside.

They go out, I snink off to the restroom.

I go out the back door.

I meet them in the parking lot.

All good, guys, let's go.

I stole the meal.

In America, we'd say that's wrong, right, But in Asia, it doesn't matter.

If I'm wrong, I would never shame my family.

That would be shameful.

It would be honorable to just walk out the back door and make it go away.

I can't understand that an American in an American way.

It's very difficult, but we have to understand cultural paradigms are deep seated.

Yeah, okay, so I think that's kind of like an overview Josh Howarton back to him.

There's a new one in America.

It is oppressed versus oppressor.

So once again, a cultural paradigm will outweigh anything else morality, right, wrong, honor, shame.

If that's yours, whatever yours is, it outweighs all the others.

So if your idea is that someone that's oppressing another person, then that person must be eliminated at all costs, regardless of morals, regardless of right and wrong.

That's irrelevant if it's not your.

Now, everyone has a little bit of every cultural paradigm has a little of all of it.

Yeah, for us, wrong would be shameful, would be shameful to do something wrong.

Yes, so you do have a little bit of what we consider like an Eastern culture.

Yeah, we all had a little bit of it.

So, like if you're driving by a dark alley and you see some guys beaten up on a girl, they're oppressing her, sure you'd stop the car, correct and you would punch the guy in the face, even though that could be wrong in the sense of the law.

You could be breaking the law by punching a guy and he hasn't touched the girl, you know, he's just kind of there's kind of bullying, or you punched the guy in the face, risking the chance that he could sue you, you know, and that would be wrong in the sense of the law, but you'll overcome the law because you see someone being oppressed.

So we have a little bit of that in us, but more so we're driven by not by as he's suppressing, but because it's wrong to do that.

It's wrong to do that to that woman.

Correct, So that's what's driving us.

Or if we're in the Far East, it is shameful.

It would be honorable for me to stop this shameful act, correct, you know, corre so like it depends on your paradigm.

But what's happened is now we are being driven by oppressed oppression.

There's a certain group that's being driven by that and it's a very large group.

So that's why they could see Charlie Kirk as an oppressor.

And if they do see him that way, which they did, then it doesn't matter if he's murdered.

It's a shame that he's murdered.

That's the bad.

I don't like it that he's murdered, and murder is wrong.

They all say it that way, but it's worth it, but it's worth it is what they're saying, so much so that at the extreme end of that, they celebrate it because victory has been had in the cultural paradigm.

Celebrate and I can still only see right and wrong even and we see that.

We can't fathom any We cannot fathom it.

But guess what they can't fathom us either, Yeah, it is.

It is because the oppression was so bad in their mind from him.

Look at it either way, the right and wrong is so bad in our minds that we can't see their point of view, or the oppression is so bad in their minds they can't see our point of view.

And that's definitely what's happening.

People are posting on Amber's account.

They cannot see how Amber could be right, how could Amber support this man and his family?

And I legitimately think this is debatable maybe on this podcast, but I legitimately think those people that post on Amber's account they're decent people, like they're law abiding, good like if you they're they're soccer moms, and they're they have businesses and they they they tip waiters and they you know, they they like they're.

The majority of their life would fit into your right wrong.

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Yeah, I don't want I hesitate biblically to say good people, but what I want to say is they're good people, right that are saying these things that are unfathomable to us.

But my argument is it's when you're in that paradigm you can't understand ours either.

You couldn't understand if you're if you're in Japan and hopefully Cantaro's listening my Japanese, right, If you're in Japan and you're deep in you're deep seated in an honor shame.

You couldn't imagine telling the table at the restaurant my credit card is overdrafted.

I can't cover it.

It is utterly shameful, that's why.

And that famously in the Japanese culture they take their own lives with the sword.

The Samurais would take their own lives before they would dare be shamed in the letting the enemy take their lives.

They would much rather commit suicide than their life be taken by another man in battle.

Uh.

And even more famous than that for us, the Kamakazi's airplanes diving into ships using their their airplane as a as a weapon.

Because we could also say it with the Twin Towers.

They would rather destroy the enemy with their own lives and be honored by that than to be dishonored.

And Americans would We don't Kamakazi.

In America, we don't take We surrender, you know, hopefully we don't.

Hopefully in Americas don't surrender.

But but we would because in our Western paradigm of right wrong.

Well, the John Wade would fight until you did kill me.

Yeah, And that's the the ultimate extreme of that.

I will fight until until I die until I don't.

It's like the Alamo, you know well, and you think you and you see examples of it with like Mark Marcus Littrell.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know he was going to I'll fight with everything else, everything that I have.

Yeah.

So the the Alamo in Texas, yep.

In a in a Eastern paradigm, they would have all committed suicide together in the Alamo before the Mexicans got to.

Him, because that would have been shameful.

Shameful for the enemy to take my life from me, So I will take my life.

So they fought to the end because they were right.

Wrong paradigm.

Then lay the lay the veil or the filter of oppressed oppressor over that example.

So I'm going, I promise, I'm going somewhere I have an answer to I'm not going to leave this podcast without an answer because you're going they don't understand me, and I don't understand them.

And I promise everyone listening, everyone listening right now.

If you clicked on this video or you clicked on this podcast link, you are experiencing right now what we're talking about with someone in your circle.

Yes, someone related to you in some way, maybe if it's just a friend on Facebook.

You have seen someone doing the opposite in reaction to Charlie Kirk as you could possibly imagine, and it shocked you, and it has shocked you, and you'll say such things as that person can't be a Christian or that, but surely that person you'll you'll say things with the assumption that, first of all, a Christian is only someone who's repented in trust in Christ for the salvation.

Uh it would.

So let's let's unpack the the extent of what the paradigms mean when they when they touch each other.

So I wrote some of these down.

They're right wrong, I've been saying.

You could also say guilt, innocence, Okay, guilty or innocent, whether that's what we see in America.

Are they guiltier?

In fact, we say they're they're innocent until proven guilty.

Like that's how serious we are about it.

Innocence is way more important.

Innocence is more important.

It's where you error.

You error on that side.

You you you everything's filtered through that.

That's right.

And Jesus upholds this paradigm many times.

In fact, he you walk through the gospels and you see this guilty innocent right wrong throughout the gospels.

Jesus backs it up.

Honor, shame, Middle East, Mediterranean, much of Asia, right and wrong or judged by whether behavior brings honor or shame to the family or community.

Yeah, you must maintain face, reputation, social standing, response to wrongdoing, covering shame, restoring honor through reconciliation, sacrifice, or sometimes revenge.

Jesus covers this one too, Israel's shame in their exile Christ Christ despising the shame on the cross.

Much of the Old Testament is hon or shame.

It's covered, okay, dirty clean, You could also say pure or unclean or purity slash pollution.

You see some of this in like South Asia India.

India is all about this.

Sure Nepaual Hindu influenced areas.

Wrong is framed, is impure, polluted, defiled.

You want to stay clean, you want to avoid contamination.

You respond to this by purifying or avoiding things are separating from the unclean.

Guess what Jesus covers this one too, covers all the paradigms.

It's it's actually crazy where whatever your paradigm is, when you read the Gospels, you're you could be related, you could relate to the disciples.

And Jesus is teaching through all of this, through every paradigm I have some examples of how Jesus addresses these, but let's let's go back to the the new emerging one, oppressed suppressor.

To some extent, Jesus addresses this one too, but not in a systematic way.

You know, all this talk of critical theory and systematic oppression or or or the idea of being a victim.

Sure you know that's not that's not what we're talking about.

But Jesus did proclaim good news to the poor.

He proclaimed liberty to the captives, He released the oppressed looke for eighteen.

He condemned unjust leaders.

In Matthew twenty three, he taught his followers that true greatness is by serving.

In fact, we in our family worship this morning, we talked about this that I told the kids.

I said, what does it mean to be the goat the greatest of all time?

In our culture?

It means trophies and winning and talent and money and victory.

And Jesus said, the greatest among you will be the one who serves right.

So I was trying to teach my kids, and because that's not their paradigm, they don't.

They don't.

The gospel has to break through for they could possibly understand how you could be great by serving.

But what happens is that in the new idea of oppressed verse oppressor, this reduces morality to power power struggle.

So it makes anyone who has money or anyone who's in a power position becomes an oppressor.

Right, it doesn't need to be said through, but it's another conversation for another time.

How Charlie Kirk has been labeled a racist and it's a complete straw man attack on everything he said.

It's taking it's breaking down his argument to a very simple wrong argument and then attacking that wrong argument.

That's what straw maning is essentially.

So anything has to do with racism and Charlie Kirk, I would just invite someone not for this podcast for another time, to just look at the whole argument he was making and you'll find it was never about race.

Correct.

Correct.

The other problem here is that it fuels cycles of violence.

When you feel like someone's oppressing you, your reaction is I need to stop this.

And sometimes the only way to stop something is to get violent.

And when you're your paradigm is oppressed oppressor, then once again morality are right wrong comes under it, So violence is okay as long as you're satisfying the cultural paradigm.

Right, So violence, murder, even murder, it's okay.

In this instance.

We saw a lot of this after George Floyd.

Yes we did, Yes.

We done.

It's okay to burn down a city because I felt depressed.

And they even at that time they even used the word oppressed.

This is these were oppressed people.

Yes, and it's they're just they're just lashing out.

It is okay, Yes, that's not.

So.

It also leaves no room for grace because when someone has oppressed you, there's no grace and it's very, very hard to reconcile.

I have more notes here, but I think but we could look at it this way.

Jesus confronts injustice, not by violence.

Never does Jesus use violence to confront an oppressor.

He sees oppression, he sees it, and he confronts it, but never with violence.

Instead of over overthrowing his oppressors, he lays down his life for them.

That's right, I mean, it's the So even to the point where guards were coming to take him, and what Peter, Peter, Peter wanted to fight.

Yes, yes, he said no, no, no, So so So what do we do with all this?

I know I've been talking a lot, but what do we do Well, We're stuck with our cultural paradigms.

I can't fix it.

I can't sit down and people go, well, dialogue, you know, that's what Charlie Kirk wanted.

Dialogue.

To some extent, dialogue doesn't break through cultural paradigms.

It doesn't.

And I think we know.

Anyone that's ever argued or had a discussion with someone that has an opposite cultural paradigm with us knows there ain't no convincing.

Charlie Kirk had a big sign that said, prove me wrong.

But to some extent, there are some things that just can't be proven wrong because when your cultural paradigm is one direction, it doesn't change.

It's a mental map.

It is ingrained in your cerebrum and it will not change.

It can't accept one thing.

The gospel.

The Gospel is the only thing that could ease a cultural paradigm.

And I don't think we were ever meant as humans to not have one.

It would be weird to not have a cultural paradigm.

But what the what the gospel does is it breaks down the rigid walls.

It just tears down, tears down the walls of Jericho.

You could say, yeah, so that so that the gods as the Gospel takes root, and this is this would be the message to the people that that celebrated.

Charlie kirksch Murder, I would say this.

I would say, look to Christ and Colossians One says that he is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation.

For by him all things were created and heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions, or rulers or authorities, all things were created through him and for him.

And he is before all things, even cultural paradigms, and in him all things hold together.

And he is the head of the body of the Church.

He's the beginning, the first born from the dead, that in everything, that in everything he might be pre eminent.

For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell and through him to reconcile to himself self all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross man.

And then when you hear that, you understand that peace comes from the blood of his cross.

He makes peace in that way, and you, he says, who were once alienated and hostile in mind doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless.

Who's Who's you the one who is evil?

And reproach before him if indeed you continue in the faith stable insteadfast, not shifting from from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul the Apostle, became a minister.

That is, that is unbelievable to think that you, who were once alienated, hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, are wa believing whatever cultural paradigm that you believe.

All of this is broken down by the blood of the cross.

There is peace brought about by Jesus from the blood of the cross.

Okay, here's an interesting thought.

Peace from what have you ever thought about this?

Aunt?

Peace from what I'm flipping around the bile here?

Okay, Romans five gives us that answer.

Peace from what Jesus came to bring peace to his people division in the world, peace to his people, correct, But peace from what Romans five one gives us that answer and this might be shocking to some.

Therefore, since we have been justified by faith or saved by faith, we have peace with God.

Whoa peace with God?

What what does he mean by that?

We'll skip down to verse nine.

Since therefore we've been justified by his blood.

Much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God?

Verse ten?

For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life?

We are saved from the wrath of God.

Jesus came, died on the cross, became a substitute for what we deserved, and took on that wrath and his own body, the wrath caused by our sin that has separated us from a holy God.

We were enemies before, before we're in Christ.

We're enemies with God and we need peace with him.

Because you can't war against the Holy God.

You will not win that war.

So Jesus comes to make peace with the cross for those who put their trust in him.

This is the only thing that breaks down these cultural paradigms.

It is it, and Paul write Ephesians, right I wrote Ephesians.

Yes.

In Ephesians four, he says, to make every effort to keep yourselves united in the spirit, that spirit, the same spirit, binding yourselves together with peace, binding yourselves together with peace.

Just on that same page in Ephesians two, look at verse fourteen.

What does your translations say verse fourt Epheesians two teen.

For Christ himself has brought peace to us.

He united Jews and Gentiles into one people, when in his own body on the cross, he broke down the wall of hostility that separated us.

So in the Greek it's going to say he is our peace, not just rot.

Rot makes it easy to understand.

But for he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility.

He reconciles us verse sixteen, to God in one body through the cross, therefore killing the hostility.

And he came and preached peace to you who were far off, in peace to those who were near.

It's interesting, Luke sixteen forty four is one of my favorite verses.

And Jesus said, he's giving this big dissertation, and he says, I have spoken these things to you, so that in me, you will have peace in the world.

You'll have trouble or tribulation, but hay heart or in some timeations, but don't be afraid or don't be alarmed.

I have overcome the world.

Take heart, I have overcome the world.

This is the only thing that breaks down cultural paradigms, and I believe, I firmly believe that these these cultural paradigms are will help us more to love our neighbor and to love our enemies as we've been called to forgive, as we have been forgiven.

Because you could, you don't so much see them as as having a hostile idea against you.

More so, they are in a there I don't want to use that word trapped, because I would have to say that of myself as well.

But they are embedded, deeply ingrained, and a certain way of looking at life, just like I am.

And the only thing that breaks down my wall and their wall the Gospel.

And I can't break down their wall, but I could break down mind through the Gospel so that I could look to them even though they're fortified in their wall, and I could tell them the Gospel, and I could love them, and I could forgive them, but.

The Gospel can't break down their wall to.

And the Gospel could break down their wall, but I need to be able to.

I need to be able to the Gospel will take root in my life so that my wall comes down.

So it's like these two galactic battleships with their force fields up, and the Gospel is the only thing that breaks down the force fields.

I need my I need the Gospel to break down mine so I could see that galactic battleship for what it is, and.

That could only happen with humility, and humility is what you have to have before you can serve.

Yeah, that's why he calls us to serve one another.

Deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me.

Amen.

Deny yourself and your cultural paradigms, as difficult as it might be.

So my message to someone that celebrated the the death of Charlie Kirk, I would say that what we saw that the murder is a is a tremendous sin, and to celebrate sin would be a sin in itself.

But I, in response to that, what will also sin by thinking evil thoughts in my heart against that person.

So my my moral high ground doesn't defeat the fact that I go, you're celebrating sin.

I hate you, you know so, Jesus says, it is defeating one that one that hates his brother murders him in his heart.

The only thing to heal all of this is I need a new heart, and so do you.

We both need new hearts, out of which we will not get anything done.

Besides sin and hate and deceit and murder and lawlessness, it just never ends.

I can't take I can't take a moral high ground.

I can't because that's what they're doing.

We have to understand that the person that sees Charlie Kirk's murder is a good thing is not doing it because they think they're they're acting on evil ways.

They think they're acting on a moral high ground, right better than mine, And they think I'm acting on evil ways and I'm not.

I think I'm taking the moral high ground.

None of this works.

The force fields have to come down, the walls of Jericho have to drop, and the only thing that does that is the gospel taking root, recognizing while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

A Roman's fine.

They Oh my goodness, I talked a lot.

That's great.

But that's my message.

And I see this whole idea coming up more and more as we talk through stuff, this new paradigm, as we talked through two more podcasts going up.

Yeah, if you guys have more comments, comment below.

If you have a way, like if you're watching this on YouTube, comment below, tell me I'm wrong, tell me you know.

Let's let's open this dialogue.

And I don't know.

I'm assuming most people are on the side of the fence of saying that the murder was horrible, but we might have a few people listening to go, no, it was justified.

I want to hear from both of you, and and and I pray that the gospel takes root in everyone.

Yeah, and I think it's it's certainly murder is not right in any in any situation.

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