So there's so many fearies with technology these days, with AI, where it's going, how it's affecting us, is it making us dumber?

And we think we all have to think about it at some level, and me included, we're going to unpack this today.

We got a guy named hal Elrod a friend of mine.

He wrote this really good book called The Miracle Morning, which is going to give us some practical steps to be able to understand the world that we're living in.

But what I want to talk about is also a book that came out a long time ago that I believe predicted all of this.

And it's not George Orwell's nineteen eighty four It in fact, it came out after that, in nineteen eighty five, and it predicted you could say, TikTok in itself, or at least the world that we live on, the TikTok world that we live in.

So, Hank Tight, it's going to be a really good discussion.

Here's the podcasting.

It's funny because you came in here and you were like, how long will you banter before you introduce me?

And I'm just kidding.

We're just gonna start with hal El rid Is here.

Yeah, and yeah, it's crazy to say this, but this is actually the first time we have met in person.

I know, I know.

It's where were You've known someone in a capacity for years and you're like, wait, I've actually given you a hug until today.

It was the first hug.

Yeah, and I certainly feel like I think I would say, I feel like I know you more than you know me because I was introduced to you in twenty seventeen with The Miracle Morning, the book that I'm holding right here, this yellow book that has been on every bookshelf I've had in the last seven years or so.

It had such an impact on me in my life and my brothers.

It came from my youngest brother, Parker.

He found The Miracle Morning, first introduced it to Tyler and I.

Wow.

We read it and I still have my Miracle Morning every single morning.

Wow.

Is The contents of it have certainly evolved, but that's not the point.

The point is there is a structured morning routine that I never skip.

Wow.

There are times when I will do this in a a airport terminal.

Yeah, you know, I don't like those Miracle Mornings.

There have been times when I've done it in some very strange places around the world, in a tent, you know, in Cuba.

I've done it all kinds of places, but most consistently right here in my house.

And well, when I room with friends, like if we've in the past, is I guess it is going back when I was younger and I used to room with friends.

But I've been in the Miracle Morning for thirteen years, and and i'd room with I remember my friend Brad specifically, and we'd room together at a conference that go you know, you know, some sort of entrepreneurial event, and I never miss a Miracle Morning.

So without when not wanting to wake him up, I would get up and I would go into the bathroom of the hotel, right in the room we're sharing, and I'd do my Miracle Morning on the floor or sitting on the toilet with the seat up, you know, like or down or whatever.

Right, But so yeah, it's like it just it's such an integral part of my day and it's been, you know, for seventeen years.

That is a strange connection that you and I have that I too have sat on many hotels amber or so you know, is asleep and I don't want to wake her.

There's no, I don't really want to go down to the lobby.

Yeah, you know and like deal with you know, yeah, you know everything.

So I just do it right there on the bathroom.

You might be one of the first people that I've talked to that we share that in common.

That's certainly I'll put a little towel out there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So if we jumped on the elevator on the ground floor together and we're both going to ten, can you say in those ten floors, just what the miracle more morning is?

Yeah, Miracle Morning.

Uh.

It's a morning ritual made of six practices that are organized by the acronym savers S A V e r S that stands for silence.

That's your prayer, meditation, affirmations, visualization, exercise, reading and describing, and any one of those practices done daily will change your mindset, change your emotional well being, changed your life.

When you do all six of the world's most timeless personal development practices daily, right, you experience results that are so transformative that I think you'd agree grade right that it creates miracles.

You're like, I can't even believe how this has transformed my life and how quickly, so I think we're all on four to eight.

So I think, here you go, Yeah, what what the Lord has done for me through the miracle morning to be able to to utilize really, what's to me?

This is the only quiet time of the entire day.

Yeah.

And I just thought of as you're saying that, I thought, you know, something else you gave me was Day one.

It's in the book, right, the day one app?

Right, yeah, right, the journaling app.

Yeah, this is where it came from.

Yeah, that's funny.

I'm on year seven of day wow.

Wow.

And there are so many new journally apps that have come out in the last seven years.

Yeah, and I'm just like, I don't want to break my streak.

Yeah, you know, I don't want to get you So, so yeah, journaling in the Day one app because I'm not good at keeping physical physical I'm just not good.

As it's probably and we'll get into this, is it's much more beneficial to have a physical spiral and tin as beneficial as that is.

When I'm on that hotel bathroom floor or I'm in that airport terminal, I'm like, I don't have my stuff.

Yeah you know, Yeah, that's the beau of the right.

Using an app is that especially if it transcends like onto the I'm at home my computer, I can access the app and updates automatically.

Right, So yeah, yeah.

A physical one because I can't read my writing after.

That's true too.

What a favorite place you've ever done?

Miracle morning?

Favorite place I've gotten my?

I know mine for sure, I honestly probably you know.

I know when I would go to Cabo with my family.

We had a time share forty years there and uh, you know, wake up and it's like the sunrise over the ocean, sitting out on the balcony, families and they're asleep, and I'm just yes, I've am vacation, no pressure of not working.

You know, it's like that's the special time.

I love the beach ones for me.

I've sat many times on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, Okay, and there's a there's a place where you could sit where it's it's the It sounds a little morbid that the you know, the Jews have have all their tombs and it just but it's beautiful in a way.

And you could see the sun comes up behind you and as it as it comes up, you know you've done this with me, and it hits the city, the old the ancient city, at a certain time at about six am.

It just hits it and it glows in this beautiful light.

Wow.

And sitting there and then I've also done American Morning on the on.

The old wall side.

Facing the east, sitting in a little little niche inside the ancient wall, doing it there.

So that's incredible, which is a little scarier than it sounds because if you look down.

Ah, it's just straight straight down.

Oh wow.

Yeah.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Do you know Dietrich Bonheffer by chance, he was a pastor, German pastor during World War Two.

He was actually killed by.

The Nazis in a concentration camp because he resisted assimilation, and on top of that also had a was caught in an assassination plan against Hitler.

But Dietrich Bonheffer started a small seminary in during Nazi Germany, and his thing was he told his students do not speak to anyone until the Lord has spoken to you through his word.

And so their morning routine was reading and meditating and memorizing, inscribing, and and then eventually sitting under teaching before they were allowed to speak.

Wow, And so there there had the miracle morning.

Idea of capturing harnessing the productivity of a morning is as old as humans are.

Yeah, and the wise ones have always done this.

Well, it's interesting what you just said.

So A, I haven't written in the Day One journal in a long time, and I wrote it this morning, totally interestingly, very interesting.

Yeah, yeah, which is weird.

I mean I literally haven't written in it in months, you know, but this morning I did.

And what came through me is, uh, first thing I wrote down I am a child of God is like I call these divine downloads.

And right now I'm really studying my studying the ego, my ego, humanity's ego, trying to really understand what it plays because I misunderstood the ego.

I always have thought of it as you know, the need for significance, arrogance.

Right, Oh, this guy's got a big ego.

And and as I've learned more and more about it, is I'm realizing, oh no, this is just this is your identity.

This is it's not just you have a big ego, it's the ego is our identity.

And here's what came up for me this morning in Day one just came through me, if you will, It was ego is thinking, spirit is receiving.

I think that's what I wrote down right, Ego is thinking, so meaning that thought is a verb, right or think you sorry?

Thinking is a verb.

Thought is a noun thinking, right, I'm thinking, and we're literally using our ego to try to control things and figure things out.

Whereas when you just quiet your mind to the point of what you just shared, right, and you just then you receive, you're receiving.

You're not thinking, You're not generating the thoughts at the verb the action of thinking, You're receiving these this divine guidance from God.

And so yeah, so I literally wrote that in my Day one journal this morning, that distinction between you know, ego is is the thinking and the talking.

Yeah, that's so fascinating.

People ask me a lot.

They're like, how do you I just don't know.

You're so faithful and you're you just trust the Lord.

I say, bro, I wake up half atheist every single day.

I wake up with a hard heart, resistant to the things of the Lord, and so I have to I can't even pray.

Another guy, George Mueller, strangely enough, another German, but ended up being a pastor in England.

And Mueller felt this disconnect when he would wake up and start to pray, and he's like, my prayers were so weak and watered down and distracted.

And he found that's because he wasn't listening.

He was speaking talking to God, but he needed to open up his word and to be able to absorb and meditate on the word of God first, so his heart would start to soften or like an old diesel engine that slowly warms up after it's been cold, and then he's able to pray, and then he actually has coherent ideas.

And I have definitely found this with me.

I can't.

It is like like claws on a chalkboard if I wake up and either I talk or someone another human starts talking to me.

I'm sure you've done this for so long?

Yeah, sure.

If you wake up, God forbid you wake up in a time when someone's like, hell, I need you to do this, You're just like everyone stop.

Well, so interesting.

I actually I wear earplugs to sleep and I keep them on now during my miracle morning.

Oh you usually take them off like halfway through.

But it's there's something about the like silence to the tenth degree where I'm like, I'm completely inward now, so right eyes closed, can't hear even a peep, and now it's like pure reception from spirit, from God that I'm not thinking I'm not hearing.

I'm not I'm just totally you know inside.

Yeah, I totally get it.

So people are probably listening right now with what does this, any of this have to do with the topic that this podcast is titled, Well, actually has everything to do with it.

First of all, how is the perfect guest to kind of walk through these ideas?

And I hope I could kind of peel back your story as we walk through some of these practical things that we're all realizing that we're all distracted at some level.

We're more distracted than we were ten years ago, much more distracted than we were fifteen or twenty years ago.

If you're a if you're younger right now listening, you've maybe always been distracted and don't know ever what it's like to concentrate or to listen to a sustained conversation or argument from someone else.

But this is something that people humans have always been able to absorb A sustained thought, or listen to a two people sustaining a thesis, or read a book and not be distracted every single page.

This is new to humanity.

And you came up with a podcast.

What's the name of your podcast.

The Achieve Your Goals with hal el Rod podcast?

The Achieved Goals with how l Rod podcast.

Recently, maybe a month ago, top of my head, you came out with a podcast that was something like how are AI and technology making us dumber?

Something like that.

That was like the title, and I listened to it on my morning walk and I was like, a lot of things went through my head, but one of them was I'm going to text how right now and ask him if he wants to be on my radio show because these are good practical things.

And then I want to ask him if he wants to go on the podcast to talk about this very thing.

So before we get into that, we we're going to tackle this whole idea and we'll call it the TikTok generation, the TikTok phenomenon.

You know, we're not talking about specifically TikTok.

We're talking about thirty second you know, bits of entertainment coming our way through whatever medium.

It might be Swipe entertained me more, Swipe more so.

But let me start with how you've almost died twice.

Yeah, certainly your story isn't what it is without that perspective of facing death.

Yeah.

First one was a car accident.

Yeah, can you tell me who you were the day of the car accident and who you were in the months that followed.

I followed, Yeah, I like that question.

That's framing.

So the day that I saw I was twenty years old when the car accident happened, and I was you know, there's so many ways you get answer the question of who I was, right, I was like professionally, I'd been selling Cutco for a year and a half, which is important because I was giving a speech at a Cutcoat conference when the car accident happened.

But like who I was, if I'm really being honest, and you know, I was just I was a really I was a great son.

I was a good like I was.

I was.

I was a good kid.

I was faithful.

I'd gone to church my entire life, and I was very very positive, very optimistic, and I had learned something in my Cutco career a year and half prior that served me in the car accident, which is called the five minute rule, and we can unpack that more, but it's basically, when something goes wrong, you set your timer for five minutes, give yourself five minutes to feel sorry for yourself, get mad, like whatever emotions come up, feel them fully, don't suppress them, don't put on like no, no, I'm supposed to act like nothing's a big deal, like feel it fully.

When the timer goes off after five minutes, you go, can't change it.

I can't change it.

Yeah, So now I can either continue dwelling on it, being upset, angry, blah blah blah, or I go, can't change it, accept it and move on.

And I had applied that for a year and a half in my Cutco career when I'd have like a no sale or a canceled order, or it was in traffic, and go, all right, there's no point in staying upset for the next thirty minutes.

Might as well enjoy my life.

And so yeah, so that's who I was leading into the car accident, and then afterwards about the car accident.

Sagan tell us about the car accident itself.

Yeah, so crazy, I'm driving, So I give a speech at a Cutco a small Cutco division meeting, like forty of my peers twenty years old, and I got a standing ovation, which that was like a real high point in my life.

I was like, oh my gosh, standing ovation.

This is so cool.

And a dream of being a professional speaker had been born during that year and a half of giving all these speeches at Cutco events.

And I was driving home in my new Ford Mustang.

I bought my first dream car with my Cutco commissions my own money, like you know, so I'm like, I just got my own apartment, like like literally, I'm living at nineteen or twenty.

This is the dream.

Bought my car, got a great career, got great friends, like love my life.

Everything is great.

And a drunk driver, a man that I had never met before, got on the freeway going the wrong way and he was doing roughly.

They asked himate eighty miles an hour in a full sized Chevy truck.

I was in my little Ford Mustang doing about seventy miles an hour and he hit me head on at full speed.

My car bounced off the drunk driver.

It spun sideways when it hit the drunk driver.

Kind of off center, and I was hit in my door, my driver's side door, at seventy miles an hour, by the car behind me.

And so if you could imagine like getting hit in your door the entire left side of my body.

I broke my femur in half, my leg in half, my pell in three places.

My arm was broken in half, shattered my elbow, severed, all the nerves in my forearm I sawet was broken.

Ear was almost completely severed.

Like it was about as bad as you could get.

And I was clinically dead when they pulled me.

It took him an hour to cut me out of the car with the jaws of life.

And when they did, I had lost so much blood over that hour, just slowly bleeding, and the car was keeping me alive right like literally the pressure of the door was holding me together and my heart stopped.

And so I was clinically dead for roughly five to six minutes on the side of the freeway, and they put me onto They revived me, pumped blood into me, defibrillators, put me on a helicopter, and I was transferred to the hospital, where I spent six days in a coma.

My poor mom and dad like now as a dad looking back, going, oh, they had it worse than I and my like they had to sit there and I flatlined two more times during the coma, so like they had you know, i'd dead at the scene, flat lined again.

And so when I came out of the coma right answer the question how was I?

After I was faced with this unimaginable reality, like, wait, I what happened to me?

Why am I all bandaged up?

My eyes, bandaged up, my ear, my leg?

I'm you don't remember that time?

I don't remember anything.

And in fact, my memory was so bad that you could spend like you could come visit me.

Let's say you're my aunt or uncle or friend, and we spend the morning together.

Then you go to lunch and come back, and I would not remember that we spent the morning together.

So it's really bad.

So my poor parents had to also keep telling me I'd fall asleep, wake up, go wait where am I?

And they would be like you were in a car at you know, they'd keep having to like relive telling me and me facing it and going what happened?

Oh my god, you know, it's like Groundhog's Day.

And so within a matter of days as I'm processing what does this mean?

I'm going to be in a wheelchair the rest of my life?

That's what they're saying is the most likely outcome, And like all of a sudden, I went, oh, wait a minute, the five minute rule.

Like I can't change that I was in a car accident.

I can't change that I broke eleven bones.

I can't change that I have permanent brain damage.

And if I'm in a wheelchair the rest of my life, if that is what happens, I can't change it.

And I was like, interesting, So I start replaying like the last year and a half of applying this five minute rule, and I'm like, you know, okay, yeah, this is a way bigger deal.

But like the philosophy is the same, Like what's the point of dwelling on something and wishing the past were different, wishing that I wasn't in a car accident when this is my new reality and I get to choose to let that ruin my life and blame the car accident, or I can be the happiest, most grateful human being that anyone's ever seen in these circumstances.

And to wrap up the story, the Doctor's called my parents in one day, and they said, how are they?

They said, we're concerned with how we believe that he is either in denial or delusional because he's always happy.

They said, every time we interact with him, he's smiling and laughing and joking.

And that's not normal for someone, let alone a twenty year old that's been hit, you know, by a drunk driver told they're never going to walk again.

We believe that he can't face his reality.

It's so painful for him that he just is checking out.

We need you to talk to him.

So my dad comes in and he says, hell, and my dad's like trying not to cry.

I mean, it was really you know, he's like express the doctor's concerns.

And he said, how I know that when your friends are here, you guys are laughing and joking and your upbeat and you're positive.

And he said, but like, how are you really feeling like when the lights go off at night and it's just you and your thoughts and you're thinking about maybe never walking again and all of this.

And I said, Dad, I'm not in denial.

It's the opposite.

I've completely accepted my reality as it is.

I can't change that I was in a car accident.

What's the point in feeling sorry for myself or wishing I wasn't in a car accident and causing myself emotional pain?

And I said, go tell the doctors that I have unwavering faith in God and in my ability to heal that I might walk again.

I'm going to maintain faith that I will walk again while it's simultaneously accepting that I might not.

But if I don't promise you, Dad, you and Mom have nothing to worry about.

I'll be the happiest, most grateful person that you've ever seen in a wheelchair, because I'm in a wheelchair either way.

And like when I share this message on stage, like when I'm speaking, I always say, like, raise your hand.

If you have something in your life in the past or it's going on right now that causes you emotional pain, the thought of it, the memory of it.

You wish it didn't happen, it wasn't fair, and you've spent your whole life the thought of that just causes you, uh, mental anguish.

And every hand goes up and I go, yeah, what's your wheelchair?

What's the experience that you realize you can actually choose to accept it doesn't mean it was fair, doesn't mean it was right, doesn't mean it was easy, doesn't mean it wasn't you know, a horrible thing that happen to you, but it's not happening anymore, and you can't go back in time and change it.

So the only intelligent choice that we all have is to accept our reality exactly as it is and move forward.

And I don't think it's a coincidence that not being in fear of right, which fear causes stress in our body.

So I wasn't in fear.

It was like, I'm at peace with whatever the outcome is, walk again, perfect, don't walk again, okay, right, like whatever, whatever, I'm at peace, and I have unwavering faith that I will walk again.

So I'm visualizing walking every day.

I am praying to God that if it is his will, I will walk again in the future like and God.

If not, I'm totally at peace.

Maybe I'm supposed to give speeches from a wheelchair and that's part of my I don't know, right, but I don't think it's a coincidence.

The last thing I'll say is the doctors came in with routine X rays and they said, we don't know how to explain this was a week after that conversation with my dad.

They said, we don't explain this how.

But your body's healed so quickly.

You're going to take your first step today in therapy if you're ready.

And I was like, whoa, I wasn't thinking that soon, like a year maybe, And I took my first step that day and the rest, you know, it's kind of history.

It's incredible, man, Thank you that that story is in.

It's in the book.

Can you imagine me kind of going through this?

And my life was pretty put together reading American Morning, having my own American Morning, And then I lost my son Yea in June of twenty nineteen and kind of faced the same kind of the same scenario after that, in the aftermath of well, this is reality now, yeah, I can't change it.

What will I do?

Yeah?

And it you could think hearing your story and then here you are, happily ever after.

That's amazing.

You know, you know the Lord gave you this wake up call and that, but that's not what happened.

Then another near death experience happened to you.

Yeah, yeah, man, And when this one happened.

I was like, God, what am I come on?

Like?

What am I supposed to which is a good question.

Exactly Well, And that's a great point, is I always say you should always ask why me?

But not from a victim mentality of oh poor me, why me?

But why me?

God?

What am I supposed to do with this?

Right?

Different frame, same question?

But yeah, So, thirty seven years old, I woke up struggling to breathe one night and spent the next eleven days in and out of the hospital every other day, having about a leader to two leaders of fluid drained from my lung and they couldn't figure out why.

And I was finally diagnosed with a very rare, aggressive form of cancer.

It's called a cute lymphoblastic leukemia.

And when I was diagnosed, it was like my organs were shutting down, so my lung was filling with fluid, my heart was failing, my kidneys were failing, and I was told that I needed to start chemo immediately, chemotherapy immediately.

I'm at M.

D.

Anderson Hospital at this point, three hours away from home, with my wife sitting next to me, talking to the oncologist and he's telling me what I've got, and you know, I said, well, let me do a little bit of research.

I'm not going to just start this chemo regiment right away.

I want to see what I can do naturally.

And I reached out to some of the best holistic oncologists in the country and they said, hell, there's nothing that anybody naturally like, there's nothing we can do for you at this stage.

You need to start chemo immediately.

And I decided, Okay, if the best holistic on just in the country, like, I'm not going to go rogue if they don't think that they can help me because I'm too far along and there's nothing like I need some fast acting, you know treatment.

I said, I am going to do everything in my power.

I'm going to take number one, take ownership for my health.

I'm not giving it to the doctor.

This is on me.

I am.

I'm I'm one hundred percent in charge.

The doctor is a team member, and I'm going to maintain faith that he will do his best.

However, I had asked him, like, what part does diet play, and mynn COLLG just goes, does it matter as long as you do chemo.

I'm like, all right, So I can't trust you other than we just took this conversation.

Yeah really yeah, well you can't trust a doctor that says that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesally.

I had that.

It's funny on the way here.

I had a conversation my friend who's doctor told them the same thing.

Who's dealing with some sort of kidney the thing.

Yeah wow, But anyway, so yeah, so I'm like, oh, I can't trust you in terms of and not that I don't trust your your heart or your intentions.

I trust your education correct what you have been taught through your traditional treatm right is not.

And so I decided, Okay, I guess I have to do chemo and to be fair or not to be fair.

But like my chemo, this chemotherapy regimen, it was eight hundred hours of chemo.

It wasn't one hour a week.

It was one hundred consecutive hours over the course of five days, twenty four hours a day.

It was It's one of the most aggressive chemo therapy regiments, and the survival rate for the cancer is thirty percent, largely because the survival rate for the chemo is so it's like either your organ shut down and you die, or you do eight hundred hours of chemo and you die.

So it's like having to face this.

And I had a four year old son and a seven year old daughter, so it's like I'm being told there's this thirty percent chance I'm going to be a dad in the future, I'm gonna be alive, a seventy percent chance I'm going to die.

And the day that I was diagnosed, my wife was really naturally scared and a I apply the five minute rule, I'm like, Okay, I have cancer.

Can't change it, not going to dwell on it, not going to live in this state of fear and anguish.

And it's like, okay, I have cancer, how can I I'm going to be as positive and accepting and peaceful and proactive as I can be at number one.

So that's like the immediate for me, the five minute rule, Like let's go okay.

And then there's this thing I call the Miracle equation.

Have you read that, by the way, So it became it wasn't a book similar to The Miracle Morning, it was my own thing.

So when I was in sales, I was trying to break these all time records and I'm like, how am I going to do what's never been done before?

And I came up with these two decisions that I now call the miracle equation, and it worked and most of the things I achieved were with that formula.

The day that I was diagnosed with cancer, I was like, oh, the miracle So first five minute rule, I'm like, got it.

Okay, I'm at peace.

Let's go.

Now how am I going to beat it?

Right?

I like, okay, now I'm at peace with it.

But how am I going to be alive for my kids?

And I was like, oh, the miracle equation.

And I told my wife and soon I started thinking about this.

So like, the miracle equation has worked every time I've used it, And it's an explanation, very simple.

It's two decisions.

I will maintain unwavering faith no matter what the results are along the way until the last possible moment.

So when you're working towards any outcome, beating cancer, writing a book, you know, becoming, achieving a dream, whatever, it's like, I will maintain unwavering faith even though I'm going to be discouraged along the way.

I'm going to fail along the way, I'm going to fall along the way, and normally people's faith waivers when they encounter those obstacles.

So it's the decision like, my faith might waiver, but I'm gonna keep you No, I'm committed.

It's unwavering faith no matter what.

The second decision is extraordinary effort, meaning even if I don't feel like it, I'm going to do the thing I need to do to generate the outcome that I'm maintaining unwavering faith towards.

So those two decisions over and over and over, and so I was like, that's it.

I'm going to maintain unwavering faith that I'm going to beat cancer no matter what.

There's no other option, and I'm going to put forth extraordinary effort, meaning I'm going to relentlessly research and implement every holistic practice known demand anything any other human being has done to beat cancer.

Naturally, I'm going to do that in conjunction with the chemo.

And so I told my wife, I said, sweetheart, I know you're really fixated on this thirty percent survival rate.

That data point is terrifying you, and I get it.

That's scary, I said, but I want you to realize that's a global statistic forever human being, including those that live in fear, those that eat terrible diets, those that have no faith, those that have no self discipline.

I'm none of those things, I said.

So here's my statistic that I believe is true for me.

There's a one hundred percent chance that I will be among the thirty percent of the people that survived this cancer because I will do everything that they did and ten times more.

And that was my true belief, and so I operated.

That became my reality, and I wrote affirmations to remind me of it, because there were times during chemo that I was I was like on dust doorway, I was in pain, I was sick, I felt terrible.

Fear would creep in and I would be like, I'd read these affirmations that were on my bedside.

Nope, I am committed to beating cancer and living to be one hundred years old alongside Erslaine the kids.

No matter what, there is no other option.

That was my affirmation.

I read it over and over and over until it literally my entire consciousness became that reality.

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You look at TikTok all day long, roll do you lay on the couch.

And thirty second snippets.

Man, that's the answer.

All disciplines went out the one amazing.

Yeah, just to enjoy life like you do, and you know, just be entertained.

You watch Netflix like relentlessly.

This is who you are.

You know, that's amazing.

That's what you had me on.

Dude.

I'm the example of what not to do.

Let's go to two near death experiences I did.

By the way, I am cancer freed.

I guess I should have ended that story with what how how it turned out?

So it worked?

How your story is unbelievable.

I've got an affirm as you were saying talking about affirmations, I've got one when I sometimes when I'm talking to guys that are just overrun, they believe in the Lord.

They trust the Lord.

That they're overrun with anxiety and fear, fear of the world, which in itself I'm underlening as i'm talking, which in itself is a sin because anxiety or fear or depression is always an overflow of a near not trusting the Lord totally.

God took people out of Egypt and in going into the Promised Land, and and they sent spies into the Promised Land to look, and they come back and they go, ah, it's scary, like there's giants in there.

Then they're really hard people.

I don't think if we went to take this land, I think they would defeat us.

And the Lord said, I told you this was your land.

I took you out of Egypt, a part of the seas.

I took you out, and I told you you're going to go in here.

And now you're saying you're scared.

So because of that, you're going to wander around for forty years in the desert, and this entire generation will not get to go.

So we miss a blessing.

It doesn't mean that we're not God's people.

But it does mean that sometimes we miss a blessing from the Lord because we're not trusting.

Yeah, and so sometimes I take people to this and this is a perfect reformation that you're saying, Isaiah forty three.

If you could read this and trust the one that says it, who in the world.

Would you fear?

What would you worry about?

Cancer?

No, a car accident, no, losing a child.

No, you wouldn't, because he says, fear not.

I have redeemed you.

I have called you by name your mind.

When you pass through the waters, I will be with you, and through the rivers they shall not overwhelm you.

And when you walk through fire, you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you.

For I am the Lord, your God, your savior.

Because this whole chapter starts out thus says the Lord who created you, who formed you.

If if this sovereign God formed you and created you and has you in the palm of his hand, then our fear is always just a result of not trusting that.

Yeah, it's fear of faith, right, it's fear of faith.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

So in light of that, the fact that you don't sit around and watch TikTok and get overwhelmed by and self indulging entertainment on digital devices.

Because you actually speak wildly against this this type thing, not to say that you don't enjoy some moderation.

Moderation, moderation.

Yeah, absolutely, So this is an interesting discussion I had with a friend recently that we were talking, actually talking about The Chosen, and I don't want to I'm not making an argument here.

Maybe another episode Have the Chosen, you know, the the TV show The Chosen actually hurts our theology to some extent because the Word of God was always meant to be spoken and heard or read.

It was always the word, and the word transforms, and when we start supplementing with visual it starts to change the way that we consume it.

So we're this, this is the conversation we're having.

And he said, have you read the book Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman?

And I was like, never heard of it.

He said, check this out.

Came on the eighties.

I was like, okay, I get the book.

This is only a few days ago, like not planning on this being part of you coming over.

Got it?

So I open it up.

Written in nineteen eighty five.

It's a response his thesis automatically first page is a response to Orwell's nineteen eighty four.

You remember this, yeah, and so he's saying, it's nineteen eighty five.

Now this is what we could this is what we could know from Orwell's nineteen eighty four.

Interesting.

A lot of the fears that he was predicting in four nineteen eighty four didn't happen.

But he argues, there is a book by Huxley called Brave New World, less popular, but maybe you've cleared it.

I have not read it yet, but I think I own it.

Yeah, Okay, if that means something, so here we go.

Okay, go.

Keep in mind, written before the Internet, before smartphones, social media, but uncanningly prophetic.

Wow.

Here's how he starts out.

This is in his forward, Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression.

But in Huxley's vision, no big brothers required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity, and history.

As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore their technologies that undo their capacities to think.

Wow, let's stop right there and just consider the podcast you just put out of a technology, and this is thirty years much longer before this, Okay.

What or Well feared would be that those that people would ban books.

What Huxley feared would be there would no reason to ban a book, because there would be no one that wanted to read one.

Or Well feared that those who would deprive us of information.

Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism.

Wow or Well feared that the truth would be concealed from us.

Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance.

Or Well feared we would become the captive culture.

Huxley feared that we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies or orgy porgies.

As Huxley remarked and Brave New World revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who were ever on the alert to oppose tyranny failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions, and nineteen eighty four, Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain, and Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure.

In short, or Well feared that what we hate will ruin us.

Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us.

Wow, that's crazy, I'm profound and it's so true teen eighty five he wrote this, that's wild.

Yeah, it's so true.

The and I need to read that, by the way, so Brave New World.

I think we have that book.

But interesting, but I had never heard of it, the like the dichotomy between the two perspectives.

Yeah, and I did.

I will tell you.

I'm a member of this author Mastermind and they we have a little WhatsApp group that we are communicating author stuff all the time, and they just put a statistic of reading for pleasure is down something like forty percent.

You think about that, right, because it's like, well, why would I read for pleasure when I've got all these games on my phone and I've got right the you know, YouTube and TikTok and all that like you that include audiobooks.

I don't know listening for pleasure.

I don't know.

That's an interesting because.

There is a big difference between listening and I wouldn't.

Count that because like oral transferral has has it outdates books, so it predates books.

So listening to an audiobook, as long as you're not being distracted by the device that it's playing from, I think is excluded from this conversation because listening and absorbing in that way is is always been a thing sure right the he he makes an argument that print culture, books, sermons, debates, newspapers always encourage irrational argument like a sustained thought.

He makes mentioned that it was Lincoln and who was fred who was doing?

Oh?

Douglas.

Lincoln was debating Douglas and the presidential debates, and they would travel with these debates and it would be the main event at the county fair.

So people would go to the county fair and the main attraction was to sit watch the presidential debate for six hours.

Take a break, go get some popcorn, and use the restroom, come back and continue.

There were six hours long.

And they would just follow every argument of the debate and just fall just track.

And it was never about the way the president looked the way.

It was never about his appearance or how old or young he was, or his ethnicity, or it was about his ideas.

What does he have to say?

Yeah?

And who you are opposite.

The ideas don't really matter these days.

Now it's sound bites, sound bite right.

Actually I heard I was at that same author Mastermind, and Don Miller was speaking.

He founder of story Brand, and he in presidential candidates hire him to work on their campaigns because he's all about crafting story.

And he talked about how the uh he was using Trump as an example.

He's like, how did Trump win?

Sound bites?

Not not deep content?

It was what was his his immigration policy?

Bill?

Oh wall right, And he was like, you know where he's like, and he's like, Jeb Bush wrote a whole book on immigration, but he's like, but Trump had the memorable SoundBite.

So yeah, so it's interesting.

So the point being like, it's appealing to today's distracted, low attention span, non deep thinking culture, which is you know, which is too bad?

It is.

I when I put out my book, I so many people.

I don't know if this I don't know if my audience would say the same thing as yours, but so many people said, your book's at first one I read since high school.

Yeah, you get that.

Wow?

And I'm like, thanks, yeah.

Yeah, you know, hopefully it's the first of many.

That's how I want your.

Yeah, yeah, but if we become a culture that doesn't read a book.

And by the way, Miracle Morning what a great first book to read if you haven't read one since high school.

This, yeah, this has been a great, a great thing because it sets you up for.

I mean, reading is one of the aspects of the Miracle Morning.

So you start in the Mirork Morning, and then all right, what's the next book after this one?

It is so Miracle Morning is a great book to get you on the track.

But we we're.

In trouble in the society.

If we if we can't sustain our concentration, if we are constantly distracted, then I don't know.

I don't know how long we could sustain organization in our societies.

I don't know before we just burst into chaos.

So how what are considering the podcast?

How is AI and technology making us dumber?

You had two points in there, or to two broad topics that everything came off of, but but one of them was is it replacing God for us?

And so kind of going back to the beginning of our conversation with like Bonhoeffer listening and don't speak a word to I wonder how many people wake up and immediately take their phone off the nightstand and start scrolling yep to see if there's a common or a like or a new, a new.

I'm sure there are studies for that, but it's I think it's a lot, you know, a large majority of people.

And what that does is it puts you in It puts you in a state of reactivity.

So immediately you are stimulating a nervous system.

In this you're in a reactive mode.

You're reacting to the notifications, You're reacting to all of these incoming messages.

In terms of replacing God, the God is experienced in silence, right, You don't hear the message of God typically when you're when you're over stimulated and you're listening, right, It's it's in moments of peaceful, purposeful silence, which is why Jesus would go meditate for you know, hours a day and connect with God.

And so when we grab our phone, even if we're not listening to something like we think of silence typically as auditory silence, but there's visual silence.

It's like if you are stimulating your brain, you're immediately missing out on that ability to receive divine downloads, divine guidance if you will.

Yeah.

And then the other way that the technology is replacing God is like is specifically with chat GPT.

You think about it, imagine before technology existed, or even before Google.

Google started replacing God before Google existed, go back to before the internet existed.

Well, when you when you wanted when you wanted help with anything, when you wanted an answer, where did you go?

You either went to another human being, which is a child of God, an extension of God.

Often the word spoken from that human might be the God delivering that message through them to you.

Right, So you're getting the message from God through someone in your life, or you're going direct to the source and you're in a state of prayer and or meditation and you're receiving those inspired thoughts from God.

But now, when you want to know something, what should I do?

Oh?

Click, Oh cool, that's what I should do.

There it used to be there's a thousand articles.

Now it's Oh, there's an exact word for word message from an entity that I asked a question to, in that entity being chat GPT, and AI I think is replacing God's God.

Yeah, So do you think sometimes want to hear you talk about this?

Do you think that this is like smoker's lungs that when you stop smoking, your lungs regenerate.

Would could your brain do that and be good as new?

I would think so.

And again this is not an exter I'm not an expert in m terms of neuroscience around this, but just common sense.

Why is like anything that if you don't use something at atrophies.

That was kind of my other point of the whole is AI and technology making is dumber.

It's like who remembers phone numbers anymore?

You don't because you don't have to.

You learn your phone?

Right?

Who remembers how to get Like?

Like if I don't have a GPS, I'm like, how do I i?

I GPS to places that I go every week?

Like?

Oh, I was like why use GPS?

And I'm like it's just automatic, and I'm like I want to, I don't know, make sure I don't make a wrong turn or whatever.

But things we don't use atrophy And so with Chad GPT or Gemini or any you know, uh language learned, large language model, any tech like that.

With AI, uh, we're not using We're not using our cognitive abilities anymore.

We're not using our critical thinking and the longer it goes without that.

And MIT just came out with that study.

It was right after I did that podcast episode that MIT came out with a study on how it is actually you know, they measured x amount of people and how it is affecting their ability to think, to reac called information, to remember information, to process information.

So now there are you know, I t is studying this thesis that I put out there, which is like common sense would say, AI is making a dumber because we're not using our brain.

Yeah, absolutely, it would be common sense.

You have been convicted even on your own digital calendar.

Yeah, where are you landed with that today?

Yeah?

I mean I still use it.

It was the idea though that I don't remember what I'm doing the next day because I'm so relying on my calendar.

So I'm still consciously incompetent in that regard of.

Yeah, I get.

It's like and I'm just as guilty.

In that Postman Book, I wish I had it in front of me.

I don't have it in front of me.

I've got the Miracle Morning in the Bible.

But the Postman Book.

He makes an interesting argument too, that a big shift happened when the clock was invented.

I think it was like the twelfth century.

Okay, the mechanical clock was invented, and we quickly became people that lived moment by moment according to a clock instead of moment by moment according to the moment.

Yeah, like if you, if you, if.

I had you, you live in Dripping Springs and I live way north of your hour and a half.

It took you about an hour and a half to drive here.

But but you told me when you're going to be here, because you knew, and so I knew that you're going to be here according to the clocks that we both share.

And now it's not even about our watches are winding a clock.

We are all sequenced to the clock that hits all of our phones to the minute.

Yeah, that's how long has that been going on?

Ten years?

No more than the older.

The synchronization, the organization of time hasn't been in the last twenty five years.

So because we and the reason I know is in radio, we had to for a contest, a big contest for multiple stations.

We all had to be on the exact same time.

So every station brought in an atomic clock oh wow, and they SYNCD up to a satellite.

This is before iPhones, Yeah, and before they were all all doing it, and they all and so you had to run the contest.

You had a three second window that you could miss, and you had to run it at the exact same time everywhere.

And once we did that, we were all on the same time.

And I remember when that happened and where it was, and that was about.

Twenty five years ago.

Yeah, I mean shortly after that, all of our phones changed, the numbers changed at the exact same time.

And we didn't really we weren't conscious of that change in our life.

It just happened, Like how wouldn't have gotten here seven minutes late without telling me?

And then and then say my watch is sorry, my watch is four minutes slow, And I go, oh, yeah, I'm three minutes fast exactly.

No worries like that doesn't happen, but that crept up on us quick.

So Postman's argument is that everything changed with the mechanical clock, and we interesting because otherwise you would say I'll come on Thursday to be on your podcast, and I'll get there when I get there, Yeah, come in the morning.

Maybe maybe morning is if something yea, if my horse is well watered, and and I would say absolutely.

I'm coming at sunrise, right, you know, like you.

Know, my wife will have a meal for you.

You know, we'll just we'll just put and and stay the night, you know.

And and I don't know, and then maybe you'll you'll head home.

You know, it's at sunrise.

But I don't.

We have become it's we have become changed by even the technology of a mechanical classes.

It's just me or do you long like we described that.

I'm like, oh, how nice man, That's the way life is supposed to be, you know I do.

Yeah.

And you know what, going back to the talking about God and technology, uh, and and that God is experienced and accessed in moments of silence, right, that's when we hear the whisper of God through our intuition or whatever you want to call it.

You think about going to the bathroom now you used to the bathroom, and you might get a download, you might get a message from God, right that a hit like, oh I just had a really inspired thought or a reflection of something that happened in my spouse earlier that I'm actually gonna do now better because no, you don't have that.

You have your phone in your hand and you don't.

It's completely removed that ability that that's not the ability.

The ability is still there, right, but the opportunity to actually connect with our creator in the moments throughout the day while you're standing in line, what you're that smartphone has robbed us of so much.

So are you are you still doing this?

Are you still going to the bathroom without your phone?

I go, I go through phases, I got are you right now I'm about Yeah, No, I've got the I've got the phone with me in the bathroom.

But I'll do thirty day challenges.

The irony, right, is all use an app called uh, what's the app called?

Uh?

It's an app?

Or you use technology to help technology?

It's not use technology right right?

What was the one that you had that you had to you had to tap brick Yeah, we had to lock.

It again for you to Yeah, it's technology to.

It locks all your apps that you don't want out and you tap in to activate it and you have to tap out.

So like if I come up here to work and I'm bricked out, then you still have to physically go.

It's under our refrigerator to the little plastic thing and I have to tap my phone and to unlock the apps that I the distraction apps that I might want.

But yeah, it's crazy how we use technology just help us to mitigate technology, which is.

Better than not using technology to not like meaning if you're just if you at least hey, I'm aware I have an issue.

And if I'm using the tech to help me use the tech less, I think that's a you know, that's in that positive Well.

I remembers having a conversation too with someone from Apple saying this, we're using using technology to help us not use technology.

Yeah, and he's blown away.

Yeah, uh, postman urgent.

I was trying to kind of come up with some kind of summary here, he or just churches and schools and governments, not the cave to entertainment.

The Texas just passed that new rule that no phone.

I'm so glad you said that.

So yes, last night my wife and I went to my daughter who just turned sixteen, just went to her meet the Teacher night, and they want a couple of teachers were talking about how they passed this lawn Texas right where no phones not just in class, not in the halls, like you're not on your phone out anywhere on campus unless it's an emergency or right.

I mean, but they talked about how amazing the teachers, how amazing it's been that the students a just the in class.

They're not distracted looking on their phone right where the teacher.

I was, hey, pay attention, right, Yeah, But in the hall, they said, it's amazing.

Everyone's heads are up as they walk to class, and they're looking at each other and they're saying hi.

And then they said, and then in the in the lunch hall, the lunch room, whatever you call it, it's so much louder than it used to be.

Everyone's talking to each other.

And I was like, I just got like warm and fuzzies.

I was like, Oh, that's amazing.

I actually lean over to my wife.

I go, I literally, I go, I'm so glad we live in Texas.

She's like me too.

That report right there is unanimous.

I've heard that same from every person that's reported it.

No one has said any less than that.

No one has been like, no difference, We're not a big deal at all.

Everyone has been like, ah, the teachers are just raving about it.

It's just a different environment because they don't have phones.

What is that official rule for someone that's listening not from Texas.

They it's it's no phones at all.

I mean, you're it's like expulsion if it's even seen even in the halls.

What do you know the exact rule or.

The past a teacher?

Oh, I need to ask her.

It's like the phone has to be off and in your bag.

Yeah.

Now I will tell you that.

I know there's a way around it because my daughter did text me from the bathroom.

Yes, but.

You know, very minimal.

I the only time you can have your phone is for you know, a minute a day at school while you're using the restroom.

She said that there were times you were allowed to have them.

Lunch you could have it, and so maybe it's a little.

I guess you can't get a lunch, which I again hearing the report on that that everybody's talking more love that, you know, love.

That you hear like an old Kinburns documentary on the Civil War and he'll read a letter from a soldier and it just sounds like this just beautiful intellectual masterpiece from this common soldier on the battlefield.

What is happening?

What's happening to us, all this technology and all these advancements, and we're obviously not getting smarter as a as a species.

Well, I had my our neighbor's son, he is seventeen, I think, and he said that at the high school, Dripping Springs High School, he said.

One of his teachers finally just she got frustrated one day and she goes, look, I know you guys are all using AI anyway, I'm not even gonna fight it anymore.

Like you want to use AI, use it.

He's like, so it's great.

So my report that was due I use AI to create it.

I said, So did you learn anything?

He said nothing.

I just said I need to report on this.

Here's the parameters and the rules.

And I go, do you understand how bad that is for you long term?

Like I get you feel like you got away with something, but you really didn't.

And and so that it's scary because like those that are born with this technology from day one.

Yeah, man, it's it's it's pretty wild.

So the world is trending to need miracle mourning more than ever, even more than was this twenty sixteen when you wrote this book.

The original published in twenty twelve.

Okay, so I actually chose a pub date.

I wouldn't forget it was twelve twelve, twelve, twelve, twenty twelve.

But then the one you're holding on your desk, that's the updated and expanded edition.

And I released that one twenty twenty three, So just copy twenty three.

Okay.

The world is trending to need this more and not less.

I think people understanding the need to have a systematic approach to these things, to a systematic approach to silence, and a systematic approach to reading something, listening to a sustained argument at some point, describing or or journaling thoughts that you might have a systematic approach for me and and for many Christians and reading the Bible.

I read a very structured plan that I've done for this is my sixth year, and I don't ever skip it.

And I and it's always in the morning, during the miracle morning.

So and exercise is part of this too.

We should we should always include exercise.

And then by the time the day starts, your miraical mornings finished, and the day starts, there's less weight because you have achieve You've achieved what your brain is hungry to achieve.

Tell us about the app, the Miracle Morning app.

Yeah, so I was the Miracle Morning apps probably the most requested thing by the Miracle Morning community.

And when I say a Miracle Morning community, I define that as a few things.

We have a Facebook group with three hundred and fifty thousand people from over one hundred countries.

So that's that's actually called the Miracle Morning community.

And it's crazy.

It started with me and my mom and dad and my buddy John, like two of my friends named John.

Like that's how it started.

And I never you know, it just organically grew into these hundreds of thousands of people that read the book and then came to like connect with each other.

And so the most requested thing in the last I mean, what's thirteen years since the original book came out is an app and it's and the common story is how when you're gonna create a Miracle Morning app.

I use six apps for my Miracle Morning.

I have a journaling app, a reading app, a meditation app, I got a you know, I got a habit tracking like.

I got all these apps and so for me, it was I'd get quotes from app like companies like what would it cost to create an app that replaces all six of the adapps.

They're like two hundred thousand dollars.

I'm like, I don't have two hundred thousand.

I don't know anything about apps, and so I'd always say no.

And then a friend of mine, Josh Eidenberg, we friends for a long time.

He finally was like, Hey, hell, the community wants an app, Let's give it to him.

And so we started basically just convinced to me, be like, hey, we don't need to do the Dream app.

Let's just start with a ten like or he goes, how much could you afford to start with?

And so we started with a really basic app and then and we sold it for like five bucks, and then we sold fifteen thousand of them to the community, and then we reinvested one hundred percent of the profits to make the Dream app.

So that was his strategy, and I was like, and it worked.

And so now you nowload the app for free and then there's you know, like you can upgrade to a premium version, but it's got a built in journal and affirmations and that my favorite is there's guided tracks, so you literally push play and it and it could be six minutes to ten twenty thirty four.

Whatever you decide how long you want the track to be and what you want it to be on.

I need to make more money.

I need to build confidence.

Like here's what I want the Miracle Morning to be focused on this morning.

You hit play and then typically it's me or Lucy Osborne's the main voice of our Miracle Morning app.

She guides you through Miracle Morning.

It's done for you kind of you don't have to even think about it or know how to do it.

You hit play and and it walks you through it.

That's incredible, man, and so needed.

Yeah, so needed and so fun to see.

What's such a good idea to to to now be going on its second decade?

Yeah, you know, of effectiveness and something.

I personally hope that we can get a Monday Miracle Morning with how on after midnight about three thirty in the morning for those people that are you know, really starting the morning early.

Maybe we'll do No, it's it's actually the back after that hour, so it'd be like three forty three forty five.

Well, interestingly enough, it's actually again it's we're coming full circle because a I was a d from midnight to six am when I was after my first year of college.

Right, so it's like back on the midnight to six shift.

And my miracle morning for seven years eight years started at three thirty am, So I did my mirk winning every day at three thirty am.

After cancer, I decided to back it up.

I'm like, I'm gonna sleep more.

But but yeah, but that was literally my start time for almost over half a decade was three thirty am.

So I'm like, yeah, let's go, let's go help.

Mean to be the voice you hear right now, are hoping to have on after midnight?

Still working out, you know, first we got to figure out how really was they do.

But but well now that he knows he doesn't have to do it at three thirty in the morning.

Yeah, we're tracking along.

I think a little bit.

Just have like some practical some practical steps.

Like the one example is is how just simple and general these practical steps could be.

It'd be like, hey, thirty day challenges, go to the restroom without your phone.

Yeah, no, challenge you that and that's one of the three steps for to do.

And I'd start with a seven day challenge until the next week I got a seven day challenge.

Sure, we'll check you in with y'all next Monday.

Yeah.

Maybe that's a part of it.

Is like every episode is uh we there's like a seven day like, hey, for the next seven days, read this quote or implement this idea or do the thing right.

That's that man.

And sometimes it's like, let's do a one day challenge.

Yeah yeah, and if you could do one, let's do two.

And if you do two, let's do the whole week.

Yeah.

I would love.

I'm going to finish this amusing ourselves to death.

Neil Postman book written and published in nineteen eighty five, which I believe was like we could call the book that predicted TikTok, but yeah we should.

You guys should check out that book and read that.

Make that book be your first book to read during your miracle morning while you're you know, pressing play on the on the americle morning.

App So, Bro, thank you so much.

It's it was such an honor having you here in the studio.

It's a mutual honor.

Thank you so much for having me Granger.

I really appreciate you, man.

Thank you so much for hanging out with me on this episode.

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