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If you listen to Last Friday Night Show episode six twenty three, you heard Tonight's guests come on and share several dogman encounters that he's had, including the most notable one at least in my opinion, and his the time when he actually picked up a dogman pop Well on that show last Friday.

We had time to hear about his experiences, but we definitely didn't have time for me to ask him a bunch of questions that I've got for him.

So luckily he's agreed to come back and do this Q and E tonight.

Having said all that, Bruce Brown, thanks so much for coming back.

Oh great to be here, Great to be here.

My name is Bruce Brown.

I'm a former law enforcement officer.

Started out as a patrolman deputy, sure become a sergeant, then started to patrol become a detective, and then from a detective, I went to cheap and narcotics stated detective also and I live here in Tennessee.

I'm an avid bigfoot man and dog dog man.

I don't know if you could call me a researcher, but that's what I enjoy getting out doing.

That's pretty much about the gist of it.

You might not be working in law enforcement anymore, but it sounds like you still stay awfully busy, don't you.

Yeah, yeah, I say.

I try to.

Go out quite a bit.

From our last show after we got doing doing it, I went out late that night and didn't have any good responses, but I ended up going out to call Bigfoot.

Got a response from a dog man, So I got to see a dog man for about like ten seconds that night.

That would have been my now my lady's encounter, which was December twenty fourth, or about midnight or so twelve o'clock.

These things must really be drawn to you.

If you had that recent sighting that we haven't covered, please tell us what happened.

What happened there is After I did the show with you, I decided to go out that night and I went into Pinterest County, Tennessee.

Had a person that had called me and said they had some unusual things going on on their property.

So I went out and checked his property, and I went to the far end away from his house.

He had a hay builder with a gate, and they told me where the key was.

So I went there and unlocked the gate and pulled inside the gate and went over into the woods.

And I'd done some They put calls knocked on the trees about two or three times, about every thirty minutes.

The wind was blowing pretty hard, so I couldn't get a response.

I got a response, I couldn't hear it.

When I got back almost to my car.

I keep in mind it necessaria, you had no signal service.

I get back almost to my car, a friend of mine calls me.

It's a psychic medium and says, well, they don't call me, they send me a text.

And just as I'm getting back to my car, maybe twenty twenty yards from the car, fifteen yards, my phone pins and I looked down and it's a text message from a friend of mine that's a psychic medium.

And they said, where are you at it this time?

And I told him, and they said, well, at the back of your car is a dog man.

So I eased up to the car, and sure enough I could see the shadow and the red glowing eyes behind my car, and I just got in the car.

I started up and back it through the gate and back out on the road and got out and shut the gate and locked it back and left.

So that was a short encounter.

But it wasn't encounter.

So this thing looked to be about six and a half feet tall, didn't growl or make any noises or anything happen.

But that would have been now my latest encounter that was short.

I would say, no longer than thirty seconds.

Of course, it seems like when you know, when you get into that, it seems like it's three or four minutes, but it's actually about thirty seconds.

Time tens of slow down when you come across these creatures.

That's pretty much it on that.

Well, like I said before, they sure are drawn to you.

It makes you wonder what's next.

Breus.

A lot of people think dog men are spiritual creatures.

What's your take on that.

I'm not real sure on that.

From my experience, that could be.

I believe it.

If it's a werewhoops, it could be a spiritual one.

Generally with a dog man, other than his glowing eyes, red eyes sometimes could look like laser beams.

It makes you wonder.

I'm on the fence on that from the ones I investigated.

Now, the stories that I hear from other people, they come through portholes, stuff like that, which can very well happen because the nature of these these creatures, the way they act.

And sometimes I've had it happen to me that I would be in a good spot and see one clear as day and then it just vanished in front of your eyes.

So yeah, that's a possibility, but I've not been able to prove it, to convince myself one hundred percent of it.

Anything that can just vanish right in front of your eyes, my opinion, it's got to be some kind of a spiritual creature.

But that's just my opinion, right right, But it's you know, I'm favoring more that way, but I'm not.

I'm not on my encounters.

I'm not one hundred percent for sure.

I've not seen them like walk into what they call a black hole or they got other other names they call it.

I've not seen them up here just out of nowhere in front of me.

But there is a lot of people out there that I believe without a doubt because they're very truthful people and then when I interview them, I'm looking for flaws in their stories, but they're consistent, so yes, I have to tend to lean that way.

But for me personally, I've not experienced anything like that other than the red glowing eyes, which is I guess you could call supernatural.

They do have a lot of features that are awfully hard to explain if you don't go down that road.

So it does make you wonder.

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Let's go back to the beginning, Bruce, when you had your first encounter looking through your scope, you said that you couldn't tell what you're looking at.

It eventually came to within twenty feet of you in your stand though, And with that in mind, how close did it get to you before you knew what it was or before you knew that it wasn't some normal animal.

That was about as close as it got to me.

The figure of it, the way it acted, the way it moved, didn't look it wasn't normal to be a wolf or something like that.

It was just.

Completely unnatural when it took off running instead of a run, and it had a gallop to it, which again was unnatural, had tremendously big beat.

The ears were they stand up on the head like a wolf, but it had a shorter a shorter snout if you would, It had an extremely long tail.

The gallop speed on it was probably a good twenty to thirty mile an hour when it took off, and then unbeknowns to me, it circled my tree stand sometime after it got out of my sight and I didn't see to see it when it circled my tree stamp.

But when I got out of the tree stand and I got out of the tree stand to head back to my truck, at that time I come across the prince just I would say within fifteen to eighteen peet somewhere like that, right behind the tree stand in the tree that I was in, and had some pretty good massive prints.

There had a paper plate in my backpack and it was just standard sized paper plate, and I laid it down over the track and then it covered the track completely.

But when I was checking it, it's like a quarter inch The plate was like a quarter inch bigger than the pawprint of this, and that spooked me somewhat.

It didn't scare me, It just sort of earnednerved me that something that big went around me and I didn't see it when it circled me.

They really are the masters out there in the woods.

They are was.

It's muzzle boxier more pointed.

It was a little bit boxy, but pointy at the end, shorter than most k nines that you would see.

It was just again that one had the red glowing out eyes.

When I seen it at a distance, I thought, wol you know, this is a big wolf or something here.

I mean, even though we didn't have wolves in that part of the part of the stage at that time.

And then the closer it got, the bigger it got.

And as I was looking through the scope at it, I just noticed it just it just didn't act like a canine, and it had some The way it walked was strange looking.

It walked as a sort of a twist in its hips.

But it had massive front shoulders and real thick front legs and narrowed down towards the back, and had a extremely long tail.

Seemed like the tail was probably just two thirds as long as it was it's about all I recognized was that until it spotted me.

Then galloped it took off.

It galloped like a big horse, and that's when I noticed the side of its feet.

Yeah, they do have some big feet on them, disproportionately big.

If it would have focused on you and circled the tree that you're in, round and round, round and round, do you think you would have fired on it?

No, I'm if.

I I'm a type of person and if I say something like that, and even though I don't understand what it is, there's no way I would borrow on it unless they put me in the spot to where I had no other way out.

You know, that's only way I would borrow on something like that, because it's clearly not something I'm naturally used to see.

So things I can't explain.

I want shoe, do you know?

Uh, it's just uh, it threatens me, meaning I'm back into a corner and can't get away out of it.

It's coming for me.

I wouldn't have any other choice but to shoot him.

It's good you show that kind of restraint when you realize that you're looking at an unclassified predator.

What kinds of thoughts were going.

Through your head.

Well, you're you get sort of confused at first at what you're looking at.

You're like, just that's supplit.

Second you're like, is this what I think it is?

Is this just a giant?

What?

What is this?

And you're just you're stunned.

You're you're just trying to figure out what you're seeing.

You know, it's like one of them deals, one of you know, you close your eyes and open your eyes right back to make sure you're seeing what you see.

It gets unnerving at times on your first encounters.

After you have a few, then it didn't really anything that really happens doesn't shock you.

You're more intrigued with what you're seeing.

It becomes a somewhat I guess you could have could call him obsession, because no two are exactly the same.

The other dogmen that I have seen would be as little something different.

They could be a patchy colored fur.

Other words, you could have one that had one in particular, had a if he was looking at him head on on his right hand side, his fur was a buckskin color, but the rest of him was black.

And then.

I had one that I had witnessed that was standing on a massive rock or boulder that had red glowing eyes.

And when I come up on it, it was standing up like a wolf wood looking over this big blow up or big rock if you called it.

It was probably the rock was probably seven or eight feet above the ground level and it was standing on top of it.

But when it jumped down because it spotted me, it jumped down to come my way.

I slipped him behind a big tree and it circled me, but circled me further out.

It wasn't a close circle.

And then the next when I slipped behind that tree, when he come around that tree, he had what I call amber eyes or gold eyes, and they were no longer red, And of course they didn't turn red until my way out of the woods.

He shadowed me and then they turned back red.

And that was you know, that's little things.

You catch it sort of question what you're dealing with.

They just.

Get your brain to think, and you know, you know what you see and wear a woof dog man.

I mean, I think they say the experts say there's probably six or seven different types.

Of them, and.

Most of the ones I've seen involved in pretty well straight ard.

They did have different attributes about them, No too we're exactly the same.

Some had a more heavy, heavy heavy front legs.

Some had the elbow that actually touched the ground with the footpad.

That's a different than other.

Uh.

The puppe that I walked upon had the clear eyes and he had that print that when when when I set him down on the ground, that his elbows and pad touched the ground at the same time.

So they're basically no.

Two.

That's exactly the same there.

I guess you could call them sort of like us with we all have the same limbs and different sizes, our faces are a little bit different or looks a little bit different.

So even though you can clearly tell where humans but well, all are different in our own ways, and that's basically the way that the dog man is.

I'm still intrigued with the red glowing eyes, so that's the reason why I said earlier.

I'm more leaning towards to supernatural, but you have keeping mindmscle Former Detective.

I've got to figure out and get it in my mind that it's supernatural.

Like I said, I don't see it walking through any portholes or doing anything that that other than disappearing in front of them and poof and is gone.

And other than things like that, I haven't experienced portholes or supernatural things, or you know, it being me being two hundred yards away from me in a split second, it's ten yards in front of me.

I haven't experienced anything like that.

If they are supernatural creatures, just imagine all the extra advantages they would have over us.

I mean, even if they are just flesh and blood creatures, they've got so many advantages over us out there in the woods that it's already ridiculous.

But yeah, back to the whole.

If they are supernatural beings, that just really ticks it over the top.

It really does.

When you notice that dog man's eyes shift from red to amber and then back again, do you think that might have just been due to the angles that you're looking at its eyes at or do you think it actually changed the color of its eyeshine?

No, it actually changed.

I haven't got that explanation down pat yet.

I believe in frequencies and matter scientific research.

I believe that whether it's so much more smarter than we are and so much more intelligent, I believe it's mastered certain things.

So that's what's got me hung on the fence.

Not fully they're just super natural, but I'm getting close to that.

Uh.

I think that it could be like the Sasquatch and use seer stones.

It's just it's just a strange creature, very terrifying.

Most people, if you took out in the field, will you didn't seen one like that?

I mean we would, They would more than likely go into shop.

Uh.

I just try to keep my wits about me and try to explain certain things.

Maybe maybe when it was on the rock looking at me, it was focused in on me as a predator to come after me.

And of course we all know predators have eye shines that are red.

And then out of curiosity, when it goes down on the round and its eyes changed to what I call an amber which could be considered a gold color, and then turned back to red.

It has a lot to do with its intelligence and mastering what I call frequencies.

And that's generally what I've come to the conclusion of.

When you look at how there are so many eyewitnesses out there, credible eyewitnesses reports seeing these guys do things that could only be explained away if they are supernatural creatures, it's really hard to just dismiss out of hand the possibility that that's what they are, or at least some of these guys are.

So it really does make you wonder.

Yes, it does, because it's some of the things they do are supernaturally in a certain aspect.

Of course, like I said, I'm no expert on but that's a very possibility.

And you know, when I get to that point and that that happens, I can confirm and say it's supernatural.

And I'll be the first one to say one hundred percent it's supernatural.

And but like I said, I'm on the pence, but I'm more on the supernatural side because of the different characteristics about it, the way it moves.

Some I come across that one in particular that followed me back to my vehicle and hid in an old house.

It had like a laser looking eyes, the red eyes like produced a laser.

Now that one right there, the old people would call a haint.

And because that is supernatural.

But that's again it could be a frequency.

I can't could definitely say it supernatural because I really don't want.

I have to have a little bit more proof in my mind and investigative mind, but I would I wouldn't if somebody told me what they've seen in the city was supernatural, supernatural, I wouldn't call them a liar or disagree with them, because these things do, some do some supernatural acts that I haven't been able to actually prove supernatural.

Yeah, there's a lot of evidence out there that definitely supports the idea that's what they are.

It's hard to deny it never did, of course.

But did that first dog man's body proportions give you the impression that it could have stood up on its back legs and move around while you're watching it or did that never occur to you?

Yes, it could have stood up.

The upper portion was more muscular, and the muscular texture about it was more human like in the front.

That's another reason why I didn't shoot, because if I don't, if I don't know what it is, I'm not a type of person just to shoot and find out later.

So I try to something I don't understand.

I don't want to kill it.

I don't want to kill anything unless it puts me in the spot.

Did I have no other choice?

But yes, it was different too.

Oh, I'm sure it was.

How tall do you think it would have been if it would have stood up on its back legs.

Oh, that first one as a tree stand.

Wow, probably one of the more deer ones I've ever I'm across a good seven to eight feet, more like eight feet, probably because it had a six to well, it could even been bigger than that.

I figured eight, but had just six to seven foot tail.

The tail was two thirds of the length of its body.

So yeah, you're looking at seven and a half probably eight feet.

It's a pretty big man.

Yeah, it's long, extremely long.

Now, I believe it you stayed out for a while.

How long was it that you stayed out of the woods after you had that first experience?

It was.

The year and a half.

Two years after that experience, it took me.

That was one of my hunting spots on the farm own, and so I didn't go back there and hunt for a good well, it was two deer seasons later before I went back there to hunt in that particular stand.

I did do other honey on other places, but it's more like squirrel hunting, a small game honey.

But yeah, it shook me a little bit, to be honest, we didn't scare me.

It's just I didn't want to encounter something like that.

On the ground right off.

I had had to uh mullered over in my head, so to speak, trying to figure out what exactly it was.

I can only imagine the thoughts it must have been going through your head after seeing something like that.

You had no clue they were out there.

If that encounter affected you that much, is it safe to say that that encounter affected you more than any other?

Uh?

It ranks right up there and the probably the top twenty, you know, So yeah, it of course, your your first encounters was to creatures like this always affect you a little bit more, but it ranks right up there.

Uh.

And now I think I give more thought about this in over time.

So yeah, I guess you could say it's somewhat uh, affected me longer than the others.

Some that I got had real close encounters with.

You know, they're they're they're the ones you will dream about, you know.

Now.

I understand two years later, when you were a gen singh hunting, you said that you saw that that one was watching you from above.

Did you get the impression that was watching you because it was hunting you that day, or did you think it was just watching you for another reason?

Well, generally, I think it was it was basically hunting me.

Uh, it was up on it was up on that bluff, just staring at me.

And ah, it was stretched out standing up like it it wanted to pounce, like a mountain wine or something.

It was just.

You could see at feet sort of pick up and sit down.

So that's the one that jumped off that rock.

And then when I hid behind a tree, it circled me.

That's the one that its eyes turned color a different color than red.

And I knew then that it wasn't going to attack me, at least I hoped it wouldn't.

And then that's what I eased out.

And then when I seen you in the kin, it did have the red eyes.

Now that time it was definitely on me.

You also went on to tell us how after you made it back to your car that day that you were trying to leave, when all of a sudden it attacked your car, like it was trying to rip your car apart to get to you, to get at you.

Why do you think it waited until then, after you'd got into the relative safety of your car to start acting that way.

Well, at that time, i'd made it up to a hayfield and the haybuild the fall cut, and they and they cut it.

When they cut the hay and the fall cut, they cut it pretty close to the grounds.

And what was left was no longer, no longer than five inches at the most of grass sticking up.

And I made sure I got in the center of the hayfield heading back to my car.

But I wasn't in a big hurry.

It was a stop, slow motion stop, look, walk a few more feet, slowly, look on guard.

And at that time I had pulled my pistol out, and I had my pistol out, and then I was talking out loud, in a deep voice, talking out loud.

And when I got to right about to the car, I stopped again looking and didn't see anything.

And then when I got in the car, and I had that particular one I had when I put always leave my keys in my car.

I had left my keys and the driver's seat under a towel I had in there to sit on because you get dirty in the woods and try to keep your car see you clean.

I reached under that towel and I took my eyes off of that field in front of him, the sight of me.

When I reached up and stuck it in the key in the ignition and turned it over and it started.

That's when I heard that.

It's like something hit my car, and I just looked up.

When I looked up, there's a massive paul my windshield, and there's another massive paul over the top of my mirror against the other glass, the driver's glass, and then the car just pushed down.

The front of the car on the driver's side just pushed down.

And then that's when my windshield cracked and they started cracking.

So I backed out.

I didn't know the extent of the damage until the next day, but I backed out and turned around and headed home.

But yeah, it was.

That was again another exceptionally large one.

It had a when it showed me his teeth through the winder of my car, windshielded my car, and looking down the side at me, it's had all had a black tongue in the inside of its mouth was totally black.

It did have the red glowing eyes, but I didn't look directly into him.

I can only imagine the thoughts that must have been going through your mind.

At that time.

That's intense.

Now, I don't need to tell you that Obviously it could have easily broken into your car and gotten you if it really wanted to Bruce.

But with that in mind, is you were sitting there in shock watching all this, watching it do that, did you ever get the impression that what it was doing was just for show, not trying to actually get to you.

Oh yeah, that's it was a warning, you know, That's all it was if it wanted me.

But that was no problem.

That was no problem.

When I got in to get my key out from under the I'd sat down on the towel and I had to reach back up under my right side, uh, under my thigh to get my key and pulled it out.

I had laid my pistol in the passenger seat, so the pistol was in plain view of this animal.

But there's no doubt that if it, if it come running and didn't stop, I mean it, it would have totaled my car.

This thing was just massive and muscular.

And uh, it.

Did slobber over the top of my windshield and uh, you know, when I got turned around to take off, it did jump up on top of the very top of the car.

Uh.

And again, uh, it was looking with his head hanging over looking at me on the driver's side winder, and then it slabbered that one window up.

So I don't have any doubt that if it really wanted me, I think it was just a warm need to get out of town, telling me, hey, it's time for you to go.

Well, i'd say it made a perfect ear on that.

It definitely did.

Now, when it slobbered on your windshield like that, did the detective side of you say, Okay, that's forensic evidence.

I need to gather that after I get home and send that into the labb or did you just dismiss that?

No, I just dismissed it.

I had to cut my windshield washer blood on and use the wipers, and then when I got home, I claimed the windors that stuff had dried anyway, and I just claimed the winders and more concerned about my windshield because the bottom part of the crack had been pushed in enough to where when you run your hand up across that crack, it would catch your fingers.

So it just didn't.

I just didn't feel the need to collect any samples off of that.

I understand, like you told us, Unfortunately, it followed you home.

How far did you live from where this all happened, back.

Then, eighteen nineteen miles when it followed me home.

I don't know whether after I slung it off the top of the vehicle.

I don't know whether it runs behind the car and I just didn't see it, or by the smell of me or my car, it just tracked me home.

They come all that way on the roads and stuff without being seen.

Of course, I don't know that it wouldn't seen.

It could have been seen by people going down the road.

A lot of people see things like that on the road.

But it had followed me home.

Yeah, that wasn't a good feeling to of course.

I had a yard dog that and I was home.

I can't remember if it's two or three hours, four hours somewhere in there.

And I had already thought about it and was calming down over the situation again, like you asked, wondering if it was actually going to attack me or was it just a scare to scare me out, And then the dog later on started barking.

And the yard dogs all have different ways of barking.

They have a different way if they see somebody, they'll bark.

They have a different bark if it's a vehicle coming into your driveway.

Different barks.

If you have barments and stuff around the house, such as coon spots and foxes stuff like that, they all have a different barking.

And the way he barked, he barked it it's like somebody was outside, in which he wouldn't buy the human unless I sicked him on a human.

And so I just got up to see what he was barking at, because you know, it could easily been a family member of somebody coming up.

And I just didn't see him come in the driveway, but I went to the back door to open it.

I flipped a porch loud on and opened the big door.

And when I pushed the screen door opened, the dog run between my legs and then I knew something wasn't right because it was totally out of his carder.

He'd never done that before.

He was not an inside dog.

You couldn't make him an inside dog.

He was one of the dogs that just stayed outside.

He loved being outside.

And then you know, it went from there to I put him eventially put him out the front door, and he had calmed down quite a bit at that time over a few minutes and again.

He was like I said, you couldn't keep him in the house.

He wanted it back out.

So instead of just open the door and letting him run out, whatever it was it spooked him.

I was right, he would run back after it.

So I just held his collar and walked him out the door and turned him loose on the front porch, and he seemed to be all right.

And then when I went back in and a few minutes it was he just let out a terrible scream, like something was attacking you.

And then.

I heard that loud howling call scream between a whoop and a mountain lion toop scream and holler, and then I knew for the fact something was out there.

And then I already looked out the back door.

We got a flashlight looked out the back door when he first came in, and I hadn't seen anything, so I just you know, brushed it off and never thinking about this creature following me home.

Went from that to checking, Uh had my gun and stuff, and just sitting there checking and just watching from there.

And then like I said, I went back in the house watching TV again.

Of course, the dogs started screaming in the loudhile I got the gun went out the front door.

And.

I didn't I shot him there.

I didn't take it a shot at it when the light hit it.

Of course, I seen the red eyes before I even shine a flashlight on it.

I wouldn't the light hit it.

It was evidently what it was.

It followed me home.

It was the same one, but it took off running when I shot up in there, and I pretty much thought that was the end of it.

But the dog come back in the house with me again, which was unusual for him, and then he went around each room on one side of the house, and he come around to the other side in the house, and when he went into my bedroom, he went to the north facing winder and done a slow bark or slow growl with a whimper, started backing up and sat down.

And then he turned around in just a few seconds later, looking at the east side winder in my bedroom and started doing the same thing.

So I knew this creature hadn't left.

He was outside the house, and there was no way I could get around to it without his seeing me on that side of the house.

So I went ahead and went anyway, and I took my gun out there.

I had a good, good bright flashlight, and I stepped around.

When I got to the corner of the house, I just stepped out from the corner of the house from the light and there it stood.

And then I shot it and it took off and it run and went across the garden into a big set of woods.

So I went back in the house, and this time instead of my shotgun, I had gotten my two forty three out of the gun cap had put it in the living room, and I had picked up a fresh box of shells a couple of days before that, so I had to pull box of sheels and waited.

Nothing happened.

After about thirty minutes, the dog was walking back out, so I put him back out.

This time I put him out the back door and stead I let him go out the front.

And the next morning, after day loud, around six thirty or seven o'clock, I went out and sat on the gladder rocker drinking my coffee, and I heard a call.

I had been out there probably a good ten minutes, and I heard this call, and I was like, whoo, that's him.

He's back.

So I went, I got my two forty three and suck a fresh box of shells in my pocket, and I had already loaded together with three shells, and I said, left it right inside the door, and I walked down into the woods, walked back to outside, and walked across the garden down into the woods.

It's a big, deep holler and the woods went for about five miles.

And spotted it, so I got into the shady side of the tree.

The sun was on the east coming up, so the west side of the tree was shady, so I went and as soon as I spotted him, and he moved in just out of my sight, I went back and reached opened the front door and reached in and got my rifle and went back this time, and then eased down further and got into on the other side of a tree that on the shady side of it was on where I could camouflage myself in And then it made a move again, and this time, instead of when I looked through the scope, instead of shooting in, I decided to shoot the ground was side of it, and I shot the ground beside of it, and it took off and it went just a few yards and then went up on the back side of a tree.

It went up, so I eased down on a few more yards, and i'd put off two more rounds, and I reloaded, and then he come out of that tree and hit the ground and went down to the very bottom of the holler.

And when he'd done that, there was a big spring down there, and that opening I could see get a better.

I could see him better this time, and sure enough it was the same one that I had seen in the woods the day before, and the one that I had shot that night.

And I just shot another six or seven times and kept I'd move out a few more yards until I found myself down in the spring branch, and then I went another one hundred or one hundred and fifty yards, just taking pop shots at him.

And then he had crossed over into another holler, and I said there a good two or three more hours and didn't hear nothing or see nothing.

So I went on back to the house, my guns still loaded, sat down in the front forest and went in and got a new cup coffee, come back out, sat down, and I didn't hear nothing else for a good two or three more hours.

So that was ind of that, and I pushed him out, and I didn't have any more problems out of that one.

Thank goodness, he didn't.

If those woods by your house ran five miles into the distance, was a place where you first saw him when you were agensing hunting in the direction of those woods relative to your home or another direction.

No, they were in another direction.

They were in another direction.

I was on.

A massive piece of property back to the ward.

That rock was at a steady pace.

It was probably a good to our walk or I first had to encounter with you.

Things got awfully in tents that night.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

When he followed me home like that, I just you know, I truly said and done.

That showed me, and I taught me a lesson not to come straight home when I haven't encountered, to just take alternate routes.

Goes by a convenience store, a cup coffee, cold drink, or whatever, hang around for a few minutes, and take some alternate routes, different roads going home.

Ever, go straight home.

I was a valuable or a lesson I learned that night.

You learned that lesson the hard way.

Exactly, And it's one you don't forget.

Oh, i'd say, after you knew it had followed you home, did you move us in as you could, or did you keep living there for some time?

Oh, I'll live there another seven years, So yeah, it was not Uh.

By then, I'd had enough encounters that I was pretty used to the way they reacted, how they would do, and and that one there was just uh.

I think he was toying within me to an extent, and may he may have been just as curious about me as I was him too.

Uh where I talked out loud going through the hayfield, stopping and listening and not running, and he was probably used to seeing people run and he was probably just and I know it was a mail.

There was a big nail.

Uh, he was just.

I guess he decided to follow me home and check me out.

I'd say he did.

Yeah, But yeah, that was a that was a and it's that don't want to repeat.

It's not funny, but you have to laugh because it was pretty serious that night.

But I've had the other encounters in the of course with the pupp and stuff, and since then, I've had gosh, several encounters since that encounter, and it just goes on and only like I said, sometimes you go out, well most of the time you go out there, you don't find anything or have any encounters.

But then there's those moments in times that you you have encounters, and they.

Can be.

They can get pretty hairy and tricky on you if you if you are not paying attention, and you just got to keep your keep your wits about you, keep beer pushed out of your mind.

Uh, fear will cause you to make mistakes, and mistakes makes you more vulnerable.

So I'll just try to keep that in mind and go from there.

It sounds like you handled these experiences really well.

You sure did Did you get any sleep at all that night?

Or did you stay up?

No?

I stayed up, You know, I stayed up because after I knew for sure what it was, I stayed up.

That cup of coffee was a blessing that morning, you know, it's just a.

Yeah.

I stayed up all night.

I didn't know what its plans were, And as daylight come along, I was pretty pretty satisfied it left.

But it hadn't left, and so I pushed it on out by uh going after it and shooting, hiding.

When they'd show itself, I'd shoot, and we just kept kept moving till I pushed it out the area.

Yeah, I found out when you run running into things like that around your homes or your barns, your bar or on your property.

You can give it a chance to leave.

If it doesn't leave, then you just got to push it.

You've got to push it off your property.

You got to get it away from I don't.

Need to tell you there are a lot of people who couldn't do that, So I guess it just depends on what kind of resources you have and other things as to whether you can do that or not.

And also too, if you try to push it away sometimes I can backfire and cause a lot of problems for you that you wouldn't have had to deal with.

Well, true, true, But then you'd have to if it wouldn't leave, then you wouldn't have any other choice if you're at home, just to shoot it and try to, you know, make a keel shout out.

He wouldn't have any other choice.

Oh sure, I think they thought these things are smart.

They know when they're you mean business and and at your homes like that, and you've got nowhere else to go.

All you can do is try to protect yourself.

And how we do that, just we we try to kill something like that.

It's just human nature.

I don't need to tell you.

You already know this.

They're definitely not easy to kill.

Right the night that dogged me and jumped out of the cedar tree and went to that man's barn you're hunting with, if you would have tried to take a roundabout path to get to his house, keeping a lot of distance between you and the barn, of course, did you take a route they kept you away from the woods when you're doing that, or what do you have had to go into the woods to get around that barn.

In a roundabout way?

No, we went.

We went to the barn because we're there were still other ones out there.

We didn't know where they were at when we spotted the one that crossed the creek in front of us.

They were more on the left of us and more on the right of us.

We don't know exactly how many there was that night.

They could have been three, they could have been five.

We had no other choice to head down to the barn.

We knew it was in the barn because it was making the Howland sounds.

When we got to the barn, it really cut a shine, and so we knew it was in the barn, and we had to make that decision, or basically, we left it up to the land owner of the guy that was hunting with us, that owned the barn, whether we should enter the barn and try to take it out.

So said didn't get in his barn, you know, and it was pretty close to his house, but out of I think out of fear, he decided not to go enter the barn.

For us to enter the barn because he was worried about one of us getting heard or killed.

That's understandable.

Yeah, it takes a lot of nerve to follow a dog man into a barn like that.

When you spoke with that eyewitness who had his encounter at Standing Stone State Park, were you there more so to try to help him deal with his encounter or just to investigate this sighting.

No, I was there to help him deal with his encounter.

Another man had called me and said this farmer was pretty upset.

He was, you know, he really needed somebody to talk to figure out what he was talking about.

And this guy knew that if anybody knew what it was, it'd be me.

So I agreed to talk to the man.

So this guy called this man back.

This other farmer back and told him, said, he's gonna come out and see you.

So when I went there, uh, he was.

He was literally afraid to come out of his house in the middle of the day.

And that was a.

H He had been back his his farm borders his property line borders Standing Stone State Park.

And.

He'd been backer checking on his cattle.

He drove his little tractor back there, and uh, he had seen it, and he didn't he couldn't quite understand what it was, but he knew what he's seen, and he turned the tractor around and put it in the high gear coming out of the field and down in old Lane, and it run at him.

And he thought, in his belief as he was telling me, he thought he had outrun it.

And I told him, no, he didn't outrun it.

It just bluff charged you.

And I explained what I meant, but bluff charging to him.

And man, he.

Who's more worried about it coming around the house or coming in on Humany's wife.

And then he wasn't going back after and checking on the cows and stuff.

So I told him I would, uh, if it was all right with him, I would come back that night and call it up or try to, and we did.

We called it up and uh.

We first started out in the right inside of the woods.

But then when we we called three different packs of coyotes that night, but we had one loaner that had a different voice.

I knew what it was, or suspected what it was, so I told him, I said, it's just coyotes.

Let's go back and sit on your front porch.

So we went and sat on the front porch and I was using a Johnny Walker game caller that had a Cayo pup squeller on.

It's it's a very intense call, and so I cut it on and we were sitting on the porch with her guns and I said, you know, it's kyotes.

They come down, we'll get a shot on them.

And we were there for fire to two hours and after they got so far down the holler towards his house or we didn't hear anything else, you know.

And it was a good couple of hours and nothing, nothing else was going on.

So his wife had cooked supper, and uh, of course he was late eating, so she come out and brought us a platter pull of fried chicken, and uh.

One of the statements she made to is.

She said, John boys have steered up something that steered up a bunch of haints, which haints to it's a country folkus ghosts and spirits and stuff like that.

Uh.

So we were sitting her.

She had gone back in and we were sitting there, still running the game collar and we were talking back and forth in a low voice, and I had reached over and cut the game collar off and we sit there to we eat a few pieces of chicken, and I asked him what do you want me to do with the chicken, just leaving on the plate or whatever, and he's like, now, I'll put it out in the yard.

Because he said, I'll just have to take it out after a while and throw it in the hall b lot and he said I don't care about going after I said, okay, I just threw them out in the yard and we both had got done.

Ian was sitting there drinking it's a glass of tea, and I told him I'm going to start the collar back.

So I started the collar back and we were sitting there just really not expecting anything to happen, and we heard the bones crunching, bones breaking.

We knew it was picking bones.

We throwed out there.

So I reached down.

I had my We were sitting in a single chair.

It was more like a rocking chair.

Yeah, it wasn't a rock or glider.

It was like a uh, just a straight back wooden chairs.

I reached down and got my flashlight and shouted out there in the yard in front of us, and there stood a big woop on his back legs even.

I mean, he was tearing into these chicken bones.

And he was eating chicken bones and didn't paying attentions in the light.

And so I reached over and I cut the game collar off.

When I cut the game collar off, he looked directly at us, I mean he just boom, looked right at his red eyes, so I know them, Okay.

I had the gun in my hand and it tore out, running on all fours, but it went up a big maple tree.

It was a massive maple tree, and we watched it go all the way to the top of it and get in a ball on the top of it like it was hid from us.

And of course he shook this farmer up pretty good.

And I told him, I said, we're going to have to get him out of this tree and get him away from this house.

We had a shotgun there with a UH number eight low brash shot, which is bird shot, and we went out in the yard and abating him.

We're to shoot shoot him or shoot at him.

And I said, well, we'll just we'll just shoot up in there.

But so let's back up and make sure we get in the spot and if he jumps out of his tree, don't jump down on top of us.

And so that's what we did.

We sit there and shot several rounds in the tree.

He come down the tree chin twelve fifteen feet and then jumped and hit his driveway, took off running.

He went past the mailbox.

We still had our relights on him, and he was running down that driveway on two legs.

He doesn't come up on two legs and was running.

And then he made a right hand turned and turned into the woods.

And I sit there with him until a good forty five minutes to an hour after daylight, and nothing else ever happened.

And then talking to him later, he could hear him off in the distance, but nothing ever come back down there again and bothered him.

So he was comfortable with that.

Now did he knew how what they sounded?

Like he was more comfortable and felt better, so he just keeps a weapon on him.

But that was the last time he had.

On his property.

Thank goodness.

He wasn't bothered again, poor man.

No one should have to live like.

That, right, right, you don't know what you're dealing with, it cauldn't be scary.

Of course, his wife heard a shooting and she come out there on the porch while she and she was didn't disbelieve when it hit the ground and took off running, so she actually got to see it too.

I don't like the fact that it must have shook her up quite a bit by seeing it, But on the other hand, I'm glad she did get to see it, so she knew what they were dealing.

With exactly exactly.

And we had no choice but try to run it off.

And then we couldn't leave it there.

We had to run it off, and of course we didn't have anything but bird shot, and of course it was a twenty gage shotgun.

It was a pump shotgun instead of a single action like I had.

He had a pump shotgun that he handed me that evening.

Of course I had my rifle in Michael car but I never got it out and we built it morell I feeled it full of bird shots.

I think it pretty much got the got the news he wasn't welcome there.

See he never come back it.

Sure it sounds like it did.

And thank goodness you told us about that dog man pup you held on episode six twenty three.

Did it feel unusually warm to the touch or did it feel like it was just about the temperature you'd expect the dog to be.

He was slightly warmer than you would think, of course he was.

He didn't have any hair on it.

It was fuzzed.

He was just a big fur ball.

When he was coming down buying, and then I stuck.

I had a pair of gloves in my pocket, and I had pulled one of the gloves out, and instead of putting it on my hand, I just held it in my hand and stuck it out in front of me.

And when he come down long enough for where I could reach up and touch his face with a glove, he never made any attempt to bite the glove or anything, So I just dropped the glove and reached up and put my arms around him.

Still even made no attempt to bite me or anything, So I just picked him up and set him down on the ground and was looking him over trying to figure out what it was.

And his tail was missing, but he had about a three inch bloody note gnuves sticking up for a tail.

I don't know whether it was got cut off, bitting off, or had an accident he lost his tail.

He he could follow me without any problems with his eye side, and he was turning his head.

I picked him up and I sat down on the ground and set him in my lap, and I raised his upper lip.

Was looking at his teeth, and I was like, you know, amaze, how long the teeth he had to be just a pup and the top teeth were just a little bit longer than the bottom teeth.

And I noticed on the one side of it there was a pocket next to the gun, just a piece of skin leathery like that.

I was just out of place, and so I turned him around, looked to the other side.

He had one on the same side.

And then when he shut his mouth, I had my fingers holding his lips apart.

When he shut his mouth, those bottom teeth went right into perfectly into those pockets, and then his top teeth hung just right outside of the skin past the gums over outside just about a inch like it was tusk, but from the top instead of the bottom, so they were hanging out like tusk.

He had a short face on him, meaning a short snout, And while I was looking at his mouth, I noticed that his mouth was mostly pink with a black spot here and there, just blotching.

And I pushed the fur backer in the front of his face where his eyes were, and it was just just shocked for a second.

Because he didn't have rigular eyeballs.

He had looked like two glass eyes that you could see through.

I couldn't see a pupil or anything, but he could follow my shadow when I was moving around, he could.

He could uh when I was fooling with him, he could turn and look at me, and so I knew he wasn't a blind or anything.

I was thinking, well, maybe he's young enough, he's he's not fully got his sight in yet.

But again I don't I really don't know, because I've never seen that kind of eye eyeball.

It looked like the glass marbles, and you could you know, you're looking into glass marbles.

And I didn't.

I didn't mess with him.

Maybe ten or twelve minutes.

I sat down and petted him and stuff.

And he was, uh.

He wasn't what you'd call playful, like a little pup who was really he was more pushy.

But he had big feet, massive feet on him.

And so I went to I said, I've better pick him back up and set him back up on this spine where he was at, because I knew there had to be a mother around somewhere, and so I put him back up on the mine.

When I put him on the bne, it was, well, I might have to leave him on the ground.

But when I put him on the bine, his claws come out of his feet and hung the mine, and he just slowly just went right back up.

But now he had a strange front legs too.

His front legs.

When I set him down in that trail, his front legs from the elbow to the pad touched the ground.

His back legs were regular like a dog should be.

So I knew I was there was something wrong here.

I just didn't know exactly what.

And then I I set him down, and well, there's a mother around here somewhere, And I put some distance and I went up all of the trailer around so far, dropped back down the hill, went into another holler, got on the left hand side of that holler and started cutting my way back up the mount mount and mean cutting my way, just walking at an angle instead of going straight up because it was so steep, and kept hearing this call.

He got louder and louder and went murror and I sat down on the rock.

I was give out.

There was a big, big flat rock there, and I just sat down on the rock.

And while I was sitting there, I know something to the left of me down the hill, and I got to looking, and it was a big black thing coming around the hill.

And the more I watched, I realized it was a dog man.

And then it was on all fours.

But when it got about even women but still to the left of me, it stood straight up and looked, and I thought I was hid and I was being still on the rock, and I didn't think it could see me from down and there, but it did.

And then I got to when it stood up and looked at me with those red eyes, I got this like allergic reaction, heavy breathing, felt like my throat was closing up.

I got up off that rock and went behind a tree, and I could see it coming up at an angle towards me.

Well, where I was trying to breathe catch my breath, where my throat was closing, my heart was beating, hebe I could hear my heart beating, and I was like, well, if this thing gets much closer, it's going to hear me here my heart.

So I decided then to go straight up the mountain.

And it's a long ways going straight up.

So I get up so far going straight up, and I come across this own logging road.

It's growed up.

So I stayed on that logging road making my way up to the top of them because at the top of the hill is a fence.

There's an old logging roads at the top of the hill, but there's a fence on my side that I'm going to have to cross when I get to the top.

So I get up there.

It's about a four foot moving water fence with two strands of barbed wire on top of it, so that made it about five and a half feet tall.

So I get over on the logging road and some ATVs and four wheelers and such were had used that regular so they wasn't grown up have any sapling trees or anything in it, no high weeds or anything.

So I stayed on it, and I was looking back behind me and watching go a little piece and stop.

Then I've seen it come up to the fence and instead of leaping over the fence or whatever, it just stepped right over the fence.

So this thing was massive.

It was a massive creature.

So I knew by being familiar with the area that there was an old barn and the house that set back in the fields, or not a field but growed up.

Used to be a field, but now it was growed up in sapling trees.

So when I got to that old house that had no doors or windows in it, and I got inside of it and got in a corner where I could see all the windows and both doors, and I was in there thirty minutes or so and didn't hear anything or see anything.

So I come out of it right slow and go around the corner of the house.

When I go around the corner of the house, there's some small saplings about like broomsticks, and a big brier patch there, and it goes all the way back almost to my where my vehicle is, which is still a pretty good ways off and he's back out.

I get back out on this old logging road and I'm walking in and all of a sudden, I hear noise to my right and I just glance over and this thing is on two legs walking through this brier.

It could above be sapling and he has that red glowing laser eyes.

I named that one laser eyes.

So I wouldn't look him directly in the eyes, because you know the old people say, you know, if you look something in the eyes like that, basically a snake, it can chart.

Me wouldn't look him in the eyes.

And I just kept walking this stage of pace with me and I would stop, it would stop, I would take off, it would take off, and so I just slowed down my walking to just a slow step, talking out loud.

And it was intrigued by me because it kept.

Every time I would stop, it would stop and just look me up and down.

And I could without turning my head, I could look with my preperal vision and see that lasers.

It's that laser I going up and down, and that that was the one I was talking about earlier that could have been supernatural.

I'm still on the fence but I'm more on the side of supernatural, which is not convinced just yet.

But eventually made it to my car twenty feet to car.

I'm still watching for it.

It had fallen back just a little bit, but when I turned to look at it, instead of looking at his face, I looked at his chest.

And then when it let out a roar, I just raised up, raised my eyeballs up just enough to see its mouth and its teeth, and then I walked right around and got into the car and just try to keep my breathing under control and stuff.

So I didn't pull over somewhere and get stuck because I had to back up to turn around.

I backed up to turn around and then pulled out easily.

It looked through my mirror, didn't see it, so I took I took that road back to what I call the main road, which is a gravel road with just red dirt and gravel.

And when I got back to the chip road, instead of going right like I come in, I made a left and I took several different roads, probably drove a good forty five minutes, and I come out in the state of Kentucky.

And then I.

Stopped at the first convenience store I come to and went in there and hung around, and the drunk drank me a cup of coffee, and from there I left there, cut my way back across through a little town called Thompkinsville, Kentucky, and then come back out to another littler town called Gameil, Kentucky, and then drove down from Goameil, Kentucky into Red Bone Springs, Tennessee, and then used my way home.

It sure sounds like you've got this down to a science.

Well, I just didn't want to be followed back to the house again.

Can't say I'll blame you there at all.

Just for clarity, Bruce.

He said that its eyes were kind of like clear marbles.

It didn't really have pupils, right, I guess.

That was that was the pup.

Yeah, yeah, excuse me there, go ahead.

Oh no, I'm sorry after you.

That was the pup that had the marble eyes.

But it did it did foller my shadow.

Other words.

Uh, they didn't have the milky eyes like it was blind or anything like that.

I think it was just young enough pup that its eyesight hadn't fully developed yet.

It could see shadows, and that's what I was going on.

It could it was.

It would look at me when I moved around, when I sat down on the ground, it would look straight at me.

When I set him in my lap, hicking his mouth and stuff, he would all just look up at me.

He was aggressive or anything.

Uh, there was no aggression to him.

If his eyes reminded you of clear marbles, does that mean that not only his pupils were clear, but the s clearer, the part that is normally white, if that was clear as well?

Right right?

Yes see, and the pink that you got around your eyeball that hold your eye socket, and the pink on him was a blackish purple looking.

So the light around your eyes where him was all clear.

It is just like you said, a marble right inside some one's skull and it was just clear.

So if that's the case, he didn't see any blood vessels in there, no hints of anything like that to support its eyes.

No, there was no blood vessels or anything like that in his eyes.

That again might explain when this thing could have when he got older, could have got red eyes that glowed or like laser eyes.

I call it laser eyes.

Well, it was the one that followed me out of there after the puff incident, So it could have been igan, it could have been supernatural.

But I'm just I'm just not sure, you know, I'm just not one hundred percent sure.

I'm on the fence leaning more that way.

So I'll say I'm seventy percent would say it was supernatural.

That it's not for it to not have any blood vessels or anything like that inside of its eyes.

It would have to be supernatural because biologically you just can't do that.

There's nothing to supply blood to those eyes and keep them vital.

So I think that kind of answers that question right there in my opinion.

Well, I'll tell you what.

Having said that, Bruce, we're out of time.

We need to get ready to get out of here.

But two things before we do that.

Number One, do you have any closing comments you'd like to share for us?

No, I appreciate you having me on the audience left some convents.

Well, I would like to answer a couple of them.

Do I think the dog man pup was blind?

No, I don't think it was blind.

The comments about me not keeping the dog in the house that night, I tried to, but he's not inside dog.

He wanted back out and a few you know, each time a few minutes would go by, hour would go by, or two hours, he wanted back out.

So I wanted to make sure that the audience understood that I wasn't just pitching him to the wolves, so to speak.

I'm glad you cleared that up for us.

I was starting to wonder myself.

Yeah, things are doing that well.

If you don't have any closing comments, Bruce, there is one small favor, maybe a big favor, that I wanted.

To ask of you.

Yeah, before we go, is there any way that you would be willing to say?

Beef it's what's for dinner.

Beef is what's for dinner.

You sound just like Sam Elliott.

I'm sure you saw some of the comments people are leaving and I thought the same thing.

You sure do sound an awful lot like Sam Elliott.

Well, I appreciate that.

Some say I sounded like Johnny Cash.

Say I sound like Sam Elliott.

Yeah, now that you mentioned it, I guess you do sound like a cross between Johnny Cash and Sam Elliott.

You've got a distinctive voice.

Well, I appreciate that, and I've had to use it a lot in law enforcement.

Careers.

I've never really paid attention to my voice.

M it's just me talking.

And be raised in Tennessee, you get that Southern draw and when I go uh into other countries or I go into other parts of the United States, has got a different accent than I have.

I find it amazing.

Uh.

We have a few saying here uh.

Some people ask, well, how's your day, I'll say, well, I'm hanging in there like a hair and a biscuit.

That's not a pretty thought at all, but that's funny though we.

Know that's pretty.

That's pretty much everything.

I'd like to thank everybody for the night's comments and listening to the show.

I'd like to thank you for having me on here.

And yes it's been a I like to get to finally talk about some of my encounters and I have more and I'm gaining more, which is giving me a better understanding of these creatures and their different personalities.

I would ask people that who want to start out doing this type of thing to pair up with somebody that has some knowledge.

Don't go out by yourself being the first time, and take care of yourself and don't show any fear.

You put fear in your mind, you make mistakes, you end up hurting yourself or getting hurt.

But again i'd like to thank everybody for listening all the nice comments.

I really enjoyed being on the show.

Thank you very much.

Well, it's been really having you.

Thanks again so much for your time, Bruce, would you appreciate it?

Then have a great night.