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Hey everyone, thanks so much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.

Really appreciate you listening.

Tonight's guest says that as long as he can remember, he's had paranormal experiences, and most of the paranormal entities and beings that he's experienced encounters with.

Unfortunately, it seemed like they were doing all they could just mortify him to within an inch of his life.

Can you imagine.

I mean, being a kid is difficult enough, imagine having to deal with that as well.

Yeah, I'd rather not even imagine that.

Well, nonetheless, without any further ado, let's bring him in here now.

Patrick, thanks so much for joining us.

Hey, they're vic.

Hey, their dog family, how's ever doing well?

Just you know, they're not a dog family, their dog miniacs.

There you go, there you go?

Yeah, please give us a brief bio on yourself.

Patrick.

Sure, my name is Patrick.

I'm from New York.

It's going to raise there.

I've lived most of my life now in Texas.

I'm glad to be here.

I'm thirty nine.

We've got three kids of my own and doing them all out my wife.

We've helped raise is four or five other kids into productive you know, young adults, and uh just live out here in Wiley, Texas and try and enjoy life as much as we can.

And amongst all the stress that we all have to deal with.

Yes, it's unfortunate you have to deal with all that stress.

And like I touched on just a moment ago, in addition to all the stress that normal life tends to bring you, you have to deal with the stress that having all these other experiences with the pure normal and the dog men brings to your life.

It just doesn't fear, is it.

Now?

But that's almost sometimes that my life can be.

Sometimes that's almost like the easy part.

But and learning how to function is still do our daily routine and be a parent and effective as uh I can pose a difficulty at times.

Well yeah, definitely can.

But the fact you're still going and doing what you need to do.

This is a lot about your character because a lot of people wouldn't be able to continue on and everything the what you have, So I'm impressed.

Now, just a moment ago there, Patrick, I touched on the fact that you've had all these experiences with the pirananormal for I guess, stretching back as long as you can remember, what was the earliest paranormal experience that you can remember having.

Well, but the earliest paranormal experience I can remember having would be from the day that my grandfather passed away.

Well, I was with him when he died, but a couple of weeks later, my grandmother she doing laundry and she comes and sees me at the back porch and she asked me who I was talking to.

And I was just talking to my grandfather.

And I didn't know it at the time, but I was talking to his spirit at the time.

But and surely after my experience with him left me, I guess that's when I started having to deal with all the other things that deided to come into my life and show themselves to me.

Well, like I told you, I'm so sorry you have to deal with those things that unfortunately decided to come into your life.

It just doesn't fear like as said now, you describe yourself as being a sensitive.

Do you see it as being a curse that you're sensitive to pure normal things, or do you see it as being a good thing.

Well, I see it to be a good thing overall.

I mean it helps you, you know, when it comes to judgment of character of other people, like you can just sense and immediately people's intentions.

And also it.

Helps helps when I'm trying to help people, like when I know that they're going through something, and I've helped complete strangers that are going through terrible crisis and that would you would have no clue on the surface that they're having such terrible.

Issues, and you can just kind of feel it.

And that's led me to all kinds of places, just kind of feeling where I'm supposed to be.

And I've done some really good things for people, and some of which my kids were there to witness, like helping this girl who was attempted kidnapping and I got her away from this person and got her back home.

So I always say, just kind of go with your gut, and you know, just it'll tell you where you should be.

And sometimes you think you're going down to the wrong place, but he turns out to be the right place.

At the right time, And even if it's not convenient for me, I'm in the right place to help somebody.

You're a good man for helping all these people.

Yeah, this says a lot about your character.

Of course.

I'm impressed now considering the fact you've had all these pure normal experiences.

I'd be kind of remiss if I didn't ask you.

At any time in your life, have you ever played with a weedgi board?

No?

Never.

I will never mess with anything like that.

I don't want nothing to do with it.

I don't want to play with any of the dark arts.

I mean, whether they're I mean, I couldn't tell you if the real or not, but I just I'd rather just not mess with it.

And for a period of time, actually, when I was really going through like the spiritual awakening, I was looking into spiritual warfare and I had a female dog, this little roddy, that I had rescued probably like a month prior.

And the day after I gave my testimony and I was saved, you know, and you know where you put that, basically whose side you stand on, God or the others?

And the very next day she was she was struck and killed, and it felt like it was almost like a message.

But yeah, now it's being as sensitive is it can be very helpful for others.

And but it kind of keeps you in uh.

I guess I don't know, always aware of what's going of things aren't going on around you.

Yeah, as you know, a lot of things are going on around us in day to day life that most people don't even know about.

So yeah, maybe that is an advantage, the fact that you know about them.

But I guess it can also be in some ways occurs, or at least seem to be that way.

So especially they know that you know about them, that's when things can get bad.

Well, I believe it.

And of course I'm so sorry to hear about you losing your dog like that.

That's awful.

Yeah, yeah, it was really sad.

I came home from work and didn't even get up, didn't go in the house.

I just went straight to picked her up and I buried her in the yard at this night and it was cold and rainy, and I didn't go inside the house until she.

Was she was put to rest.

That was years ago.

That wasn't my dog, Bellow, But yeah, I know that, Like I said, sometimes when things know that you're away where they try and make their presence all that more into your life too.

Yeah, like I said, that's just not fear.

And wow, I'm so sorry that happened.

I really am.

Well, Patrick, You've got a lot to share with us tonight, so please tell us all about your encounters.

Now, give us ever last detail that comes to mind.

You got it.

So the very first time ever encountered anything, it was after my grandfather passed away and I spoke spoken with him, and on that note, strangely enough, my aunt when I was on my eighteenth birthday, I was on the phone with her really late one night, and she had told me.

She asked me if I remember that day that my grandfather died, because I lived with them when I was little and I only remember trying to wake them up.

But she said, do you remember what you said to me that day?

I said no, and she filled me in that I basically told her, well that Grandpa was gonna, I guess, pass away or die.

I don't know what words it was put in, but she said that she had gotten the feeling that I told her that he was gonna pass and but everything was gonna be okay.

It sounds very strange, and again I had no clue.

I found this out on my eighteenth birthday, but shortly after my grandfather passed.

I was a very sad and lonely little boy, and uh it was crushed, you know.

He was like my first dad.

And I remember when I was four, was like about four, and I my very first dream, my first nightmare, I was running through a I was running across his wooden floor, and I can remember seeing my.

Little feet flooding across the floor.

And to the right of me there's this window and it's it's open, and it has this white frame around the window, and it has these very this, this very thin see through, very ornate curtains and they're billowing in the wind.

There was a storm going on outside and it was raining and thundering and lightning.

And to the left of me was these iron framed beds with light with these white linens.

And behind me, I'm running from this monster, and I remember looking over my shoulder and seeing these big red glowing eyes like the coal embers, and it's glaring at me and I'm just running as hard as I can, and it's just like window window window bed bed, bed bed bed and I can just hear my feet thudding across the floor, and every time I look back to see if I'm getting ahead of this thing, it kept on gaining ground and it would start snapping at me.

And that's the first time I ever seen something as terrifying as that.

And it had a muddle and a mouthful of teeth.

It was dark.

I couldn't really see its body shape, but I can see the head.

There were time I look back and snap at me, and it felt like I was never gonna get to the end of the hall, end of the hall, and I had woken up to that, and I woke up in tears.

And I mean, how do you describe that to somebody when you're that age?

You really can't.

And uh So, reflecting upon that, I think, uh, it's strange to say, But you know, I don't know how we know these things when we're so young, and to see things that we've never seen before that we know of anyways.

But I grew up in a.

Trailer and I don't ever recall and my memory is very clear, vivid, even even when I was two, I can remember, So I don't recall being on wooden floors like that, not like those those hollow wooden floors, like you know, when you're walking around upstairs an old wooden house, or seeing no bed frames or windows sills like that.

I think, reflecting on it, I think what that was is a metaphor of an orphanage.

My mom she couldn't take care of me when she was little, and she's gonna give me up.

And I don't hold any resentment for it.

She had already lost custody with my sister at the time, and and I think that might have been an orphanage.

And I'm not sure what the dog man thing werewolf or whatever represented, but I just know it was terrifying and it was chasing me.

And yeah, so that was my first time experiencing that, and and more paranormal stuff came after that, but we're gonna stick to the dog man stuff.

But so growing up being sensitive to things, you know, you always kind of feel things when they're around.

Now, at first, probably starting like four and a half five years ago, I started getting into podcasts and I was a cook at the time, and I just I don't really care for the radio too much, and I was tired of listening to the cowboys, and because that's too just too emotional, too stressful, And so I started listening to stuff about bigfoot and whatnot.

And I was listening to Sasquatch Chronicles and I was just obsessed listening to it.

And I came across an episode where it was a what is it?

I'm sorry, what is that?

A?

It was it like a wildlife biologist encounters dog man, and that that was new to me, and so I listened to it, and he described how this predator was stalking his land.

He couldn't quite see it, and you just see it in the underbrush, and somehow it moved all the way across to in front of him, towards about thirty feet, and it.

Stood up and.

It looked like it was gonna charge, and he fired three rounds into it of forty five and it took the shots and and eventually took off.

And that was the first time I ever heard of a dog man, and so I started looking at dog man, and I came across your show, Vic, and the first few episodes I listened to, I really honestly I thought it was fake.

I thought it was like just entertainment and people are reading off scripts because there's no way that something like that could be real.

I mean, to wrap your mind around something like that bigfoot sure humanoid eight thing, you know, I guess that kind of makes more sense.

And plus we've been hearing about it for a lot longer, and dog Man was this whole new phenomenon.

And so I started listening to a few the episodes, and again, like I said, I thought it was fake.

And the more and more I listened, the more you I mean, you can tell when people are being truthful.

You can hear the emotion in their voice, and you can hear the fear.

And I was just I became, you know, engulfed into that.

And I'd listened to it on the way to work.

I have it in my EarPods, you know, while I'm at work, and I listened to it on the way home.

I listened to it when I go to bed, and I remember I even was like, you know, just like a lot of people, you know, wanting to see one.

And I remember I had a message Vic on Facebook and talked, you know, I was talking about wanting to see one, and he was like, no, you really don't, you know, searching those guys out aren't isn't It's it's not all cracked up, and it's not a not a great experience.

And well I discovered that he was right now.

And this is probably about maybe a year or so.

Maybe you give her take listening to these episodes.

It was I remember it was uh probably was it.

Twenty twenty two, I think, or twenty twenty three, I'm not sure.

But I decided I found a kayak and I was going to go kayaking down this creek right here.

It's called Ralet Creek.

It's located here in Texas by uh in between Garland and Saxony and Wiley.

That has a whole green belt right there, and the creek's very nice.

I go, I go fishing there all.

I went fishing there all the time, and I take my dog bellowed everywhere I went.

She went, so, uh, I was going to go kayaking, and it's relatively shallow in some spots, and there's you know, I could that wouldn't matter where I'd go.

She trying to follow me anyway, So I took her with me.

I had a bit too much stuff with me at the time, just big old bag.

That's kind of you know, just trial it error, And well, I'm going down the creek and it's right there, probably like four to five hundred yards past what it's called the Garling gun Range.

So you can look it up on a map and look at the satellite.

You can see the creek right there past the gun range.

And then there's these pipes that go across the creek.

And there was a build up of logs there, and so I couldn't just freely, you know, go with my kayak and and Bella she's trotting right alongside me.

I'm not going very fast.

I mean, anyone who's been kayaking, you know, you're not speeding through the water or anything.

So she was right there along my left hand side, of my left flank, and so I stopped there, and I was gonna pull my kayak over the some of the debris there.

And keep on going.

Well, at that time, as I had just gotten over the debris, I hadn't pull my kayak over there just yet.

I was just checking out, you know, the ground, and make sure that it's navigable and give Bello a break.

And I heard a growl, and not only did I hear it, but I felt it.

It was like a rumbling, like a It's very quick on, maybe two seconds, give or take, and I felt it in my chest.

Now I'm in the creek bottom and each side is probably about take.

Twenty twenty five feet up to ground level, and I wasn't sure which direction it came from.

Now I know that there, I've seen Bobcat, and I've seen a mountain lion, and I've got video footage of a mountain lion coming across his burnt bridge one day when me and Bellow we're going to go fishing, and so I knew there was a big cat in the area, and but I just wanted to go investigate anyways, And so I climb up there on the left hand side, the side closest to me, and I looked around for about five ten minutes, and Bella sniffed and didn't really get get anything.

So I decided that perhaps maybe I should just sit right there and this fish for a little while, because there's a good fishing hole of its right there.

I've seen these guys pull up a bunch of catfish from there, so I decided to do that.

I was fishing there, I don't know, fifteen minutes or so after this all already happened, and my kayaks kind of like pulled up there on the shore, and Bella she starts to growl.

Now I'm really in a line and Bella, I hear her.

She's on my right hand side, sitting and she's she looks up across to the left to our ten o'clock and she's growling.

She's got a low growl.

She now, bell she never really barked.

She wasn't allowed or anything like that.

She's the type of dog that you'll find out there's a dog in the house when once you get in, get through the door, and then you'll be, you know, wishing he never came in.

So she sh had this low growl and her hackers were raised.

And I'm looking up there and I don't see anything, so well, maybe that that cat.

You know, this is around somewhere.

As again, I saw this last when I saw this, uh, this cougar, it was during the daytime and typically they usually do their thing, you know, during the night.

But I thought maybe it was that that guy because it was it was.

A young adolescent.

And but you know, I'm still looking nothing, nothing, and uh, and I can I can hear her just growing intensity, and I tell her to knock it off to quit, and she's so she sits and she quiets down and settles down, but she still got her eyes glued.

And I look up there and now across from me diagonally again to my ten o'clock ten to nine ten o'clock position up there on ground level, probably again about twenty five thirty feet up, and this creek is maybe twenty five feet across, so maybe sixteen ish feet.

Directly in my line of sight.

I saw black it's for back of something, and.

You can see the shoulder blades just lifting as it moves, and I see the head he sell the front blazes, and then it steps out.

Oh no, can you hear me?

If you can, you're breaking up.

You're fine.

You're in the same spot.

You're parked in the same spot we.

Begin this in.

Is that right?

Yes, sir, that's strange.

Well, you're better now, So I apologize about interrupting.

Please continue in hopefully the signal will cooperate.

You got it.

So where I leave off, I saw this black haired creature and I saw its shoulder blades.

Walking into the clearing was this large dog figure.

I saw its head.

Its head was lowered down towards the ground.

It wasn't quite looking at me.

It's head was moving side to side, but it was massive.

It's really huge, I'd have to say.

To its shoulder blade had it been almost five feet, I mean, and that's massive.

And from the neck, from the base of the neck to the hind quarters I'm guessing was maybe seven six and a half seven feet.

But then it had a probably a three foot long tail, and its front legs were longer than the back, and it had a I mean.

It really big had I mean, the body was huge.

It's very thick, and it reaches with its left its left leg and a paw hand whatever I mean.

I wasn't expecting that.

But it grabbed a hold of this tree and it stood itself up and it faced me directly.

And it didn't have that much fur on the bottom on it, like on the chest and the underside.

It's kind of like a grayish like a dark grayish colored skin.

The and it looked like it had like almost the combination of a rib cage like a dog has its kind of curved but also had pecs like a human being like and you can see the muscles beneath the fur.

Now the fur itself was this glossy black like and looked.

Very clean, probably three and a half four inches long, or the entire body except around the neck area.

It seemed to like have almost like a mane where it's thicker.

It uh and it was like this beautiful jet black, shiny, and it looked like a dog had just had a had a bath, almost very clean, and these bright yellow eyes like the size of lemons.

And why what confused me is the fact that it showed itself to me, And I don't understand why it didn't make It wasn't aggressive, it didn't it didn't growl or didn't make any really any noise, except that it did yawn like kind of like a dog does, like when it stretches, like it put its its its arm up onto the tree, and it kind of looked like it was stretching his back some and it opened his mouth and it yawned, and it turned his mouth towards me.

And as it was yawning, and it had looked like it had like nothing but canines in his whole mouth.

Its tongue was kind of hanging out lazily like a dog.

But it was just sitting there staring and Bella she was.

She was not happy about it.

She she had a low growl in her throat, and I was startled.

I'm still sitting there, really in a poll, and I guess my my hook had gotten caught up on something.

And I'm standing there wearing these stupid crocs on wet clay and there's no grip, and I wound up slipping and I fall right on my butt and it snapped its like it's head right back back to me, and it just stared through me.

Now I didn't get I got a sense that it wasn't there to hurt me, but there was definitely that feeling that like basically to not test it, I mean, because I'll find out if it would kind of I didn't know what to say.

Bella's she she was growling and it would it would glare at her, and she didn't.

She didn't whind she you know, sometimes I've heard where the dogs seemed to, you know, get scared or kind of like passive, like become passive to it, and but she didn't do any of that.

She she looked like she was ready for a fight.

You can tell that she was wanting to to spring, but she she she listens to me very well, and she wouldn't leave my side, and.

I know she'd fight for the death, to the death for me, of course.

And we've had run ins with coyotes before where me and her both had to dispatch coyotes.

But uh, she she obviously was not She wasn't impressed.

I'm guessing I don't know, but I was blown away and that happened.

It took maybe three minutes, three to four minutes, I guess, give or take for that encounter, which is relatively long from what it sounds like, and it eventually it just sauntered away, It turned and walked off.

Now what's terrifying is like after that, I'd become very hyper vigilant because, like one, there's a woman that like that.

The year before, there's a woman that had went missing down there, and someone a fisherman I believe it was probably during the Sand Bass run February March.

They had found a limb and she was identified by DNA and there was there wasn't a complete skeleton.

It was just a part or did it have anything to do with it.

I don't know what it was doing there.

I don't know either.

At the time, I was very much into I don't really want to see a dog man like I would to talk about with some people and message and and.

I really wanted to go see these things.

And the fact that that was benign, I couldn't imagine if it was in a threatening posture, and that would be more than terrifying, you know, people would say talk about that primal fear like I was pretty scared.

Of course, after it walked away at ten fifteen minutes, I wanted to get up and go walk across that pipe, across the creek and go look.

But I knew Bella would follow me, and if I didn't find it, I knew she would and I would not want her to fight this thing.

This thing was massive from when it's where it stood, its head had to reach close to eleven feet.

His body was very thick, thick legs, and it looked like the sides of a small horse, like a what they call like an Arabian or they're like the smaller of the horses.

But that's still like good.

A hundred pounds, nine hundred pounds something like that.

It was big, like it's its head was like the size of like almost like a horsehead.

It was massive and those bright yellow eyes just really stuck with me.

So about almost two.

Years later, last year, Fella, she had passed.

She had gotten old, and her decline was just happened so fast, Like she.

Looked still very healthy at twelve.

Thirteen years old, but you know, she started getting this this lump on her side there, and it it was her decline was very, very rapid.

Within months, she couldn't she was so stiff, she couldn't hardly move.

And I I wish I was in a better position to be able to afford proper veterinary care.

And you know, I'll always be angry at myself for her having to suffer like she it.

And one night, and I want to say it was September, September, I think she had passed last year, and I had taken her to this field where she where we walk the dogs constantly, and it's like one of the last places she had walked, you know, in the so the free wild.

I guess.

This peaceful, and you know, I'd just love taking my dogs for for hikes out there in the fields in the woods.

And so that's where I buried her, and where I live and where she where she's buried is maybe about a mile and a half two miles from my house, and my house is maybe.

Four and a half miles I guess from the creek.

And now after that sighting, I would constantly be outside, like when if I wasn't at work, I would be in the darkness, you know, standing or sitting still for half hour forty five minutes, sometimes an hour at a time, just listening, you know, for anything to come.

Around the house.

I don't know if you know, you know, sometimes these things have a tendency of showing up.

And that's the last thing I ever wanted.

And I've talked about this extensively with my kids, not about this encounter, because that first one, like I didn't even want to believe it.

It just seems so like I almost a dreamlike very surreal, and it didn't.

I mean, it stuck with me, but it didn't.

I don't know how to describe it.

But they said it felt like almost like a dream.

And I actually that day after it left, I was like, Okay, we need to get the hell out of here.

And I dragged all my stuff back up the creek and got everything back to my vehicle, and unfortunately, sure enough, I wound up getting you know, the front end of the Honda Pilot just sunk into the sand.

And after digging and digging for hours and hours and they started around, like I don't know, it was close to noon when I had this encounter, and I didn't get that thing out of there until like one o'clock in the morning, and I had to have my wife come down there with the other SUV and yanked out for a good long time.

Was embarrassed even until her.

I was stuck, you know, in the sand, and like I said, I probably displaced you know good, I don't know, eight eight to ten square feet of sand and dirt trying to get that front end, you know, dug out, and I just get sunking even more in there and worrying about this thing showing up because it's only like five hundred yards from where we had this encounter.

And also that Rally Creek Greenway there, it's a trail.

I walked back there a bunch since then, not before that, though, but since than I have.

And it's apparently it's pretty popular.

And I don't see how these things have a are able to feed themselves on small game like that.

I just there's really not I mean, we're in the middle of suburban, you know, neighborhoods.

I live about thirty miles from Dallas, and sure it's a little bit out there, and I'm right right up next to a lake.

But I just don't see how anything that size can have enough food out there for subsistence.

It just it bothers my mind.

And the fact that it showed itself to me like that's why I thought it was like psychic magnetism.

Because I was so as obsessed with it that it's like.

Oh, well, here you are, here we are, you know, And that's why it felt like so much like a dream, like as if as I don't know, but Bella, she she even forget.

So where I buried Bella after she had passed was in the field where I'm sitting, probably about about three hundred yards from where shoes buried.

Right now, I'm not at my house.

I'm just a little bit down the road closer to where my most recent experience has happened.

And they're building these really big houses out here, like half a.

Million dollar homes on these quarter.

Acre lots, and they've got about two dozen of them men, But there's still a couple of blocks with nothing there, but they've got the roads paved in, the street lights and stuff.

And it backs up to these past years.

And after I buried Bella lesson, maybe maybe a week goes by, and I'd take my other dogs, you know, consistently out there every day.

And well when I went to where she was where I later to rest, she was gone.

She was taken from her resting area, her resting spot.

And at first, you know, you think the coyotes.

And I've done my due diligence.

I've looked all over the place.

There's there's no she wasn't dug up.

There wasn't a bunch of dirt all, you know, pushed aside.

There wasn't new Paul Prince or digging.

And plus also coodies when they tend to scavenge on uh, you know, the body of something.

They were pretty messy and they can kind of spread it, spread it out.

And that didn't happen either.

I didn't see any parts of her.

It looked like something had reached in into the dirt and pulled her out.

And so most of almost all that dirt was still sitting in the hole.

Just you can tell that there was a depression there, and and then when I saw the depression, I started digging down into it, and she wasn't in there.

And I think my son was with me, my son and my daughter was from the other time, and we had looked all the place around there.

There's little game trails going every which direction, and that I know we've got hogs out here too, And but a hog wouldn't just pull a corpse out of the ground.

And I was so so hurt, so angry, and so driven to get back at what had taken her.

And you know, to the point where I'd come out every night, you know, if all the nights I'm not working, I'd be out there with a gun in this complete quiet, trying to put myself out there as bait for something to come in, you know, whether it be a coyote or a hog or and not gonna lie that The thought had crossed my mind that maybe the dog man, because what else can reach in with like hands and take something and walk off with it.

But at that point I was so angry it didn't matter what it was, and I wanted to hit my pound of.

Flesh for taking her.

And I still have yet to figure out what happened to her with my other two dogs.

I've found when we found like you know, goat skulls and a spine and like a cow like a calf jaw out here, and these developers they purchased I'm guessing like all the pasture land that these cows were on, because they're just they're just clearing all this for all this trees and just taking all the last bit of uh you know what wild lands we have left to put these houses on and slowly pushing us out.

And I was so.

Obsessed with it that they said, I still come out here every day twice a day, you know, earlier and sort of to eight or nine around this time, and I'd be back out here at three o'clock in the morning give her take with the dogs, just letting them do their thing.

I like my dogs to kind of run around and do their thing, and I'm not want to really walk around on leashes.

But now for my most recent experiences, it happened right here in the same spot, not by the creek foot here where they're building these houses.

And it happened July twelfth, at one am.

I know that because I had taken pictures the first one I even called my daughter and.

I was blown away.

Now my phone, strangely it was, it was it was around like thirty three percent when I had called my daughter and I was trying to you know, I was telling her about it, and I told her, Okay, well, I want to try and get some you know, video and get some pictures of it.

And so we had hung up, and I was trying to take pictures.

Now my flashlight which was charged and it has batteries in it, and the flash I started flickering going on and off and I had to, you know, constantly smack it for it to illuminate.

And my phone that I saw, my phone was down to like two percent at the time.

And how it went from thirty three percent to two percent, I don't know, but I'm guessing maybe it had something to do with this.

What I can't say conclusively was a dog man.

But what I saw was these big eyes that were staring at me.

This thing was standing in a creek.

It was behind some foliage.

It was about thirty five yards away from me in this creek area, and it was like a light gray color and I can see the allzle with the black black nose tip and it was kept on like peeking out from behind this.

Uh it was just small.

That's right right there, and and and there's you can tell it was.

It was obscured.

And so the pictures on that one in the I got two videos like forty seven seconds and twenty seven seconds.

You can't see nothing.

And so that's when I was like, Okay, my dogs were with me at the time.

Now, they didn't even know that this thing was there.

They were kind of like one of them, she's a black lap She's just rolling around on her back, just scratching her back in the middle of this street and sky she was just chewing on her feet, not really paying much attention.

And at that point we had already had our walk, and so I backed up slowly and we'd gotten part thieve and I drove to the end, which is this old stop sign, which is maybe one hundred and fifty yards from this spot, and there was this white twite.

A tundra had come down.

Like I said, there's about two dozen houses over here that are already built, but there's still plenty of spots where they have yet to build.

And that's where I was coming from, where there wasn't any homes, but thought his past year and this this toy a ton of like slows down, like almost comes to a complete stop.

And that's what drew my attention to the left of me, and to the left there was this big, gigantic white dog canine creature, had a really big head.

It was laying down, but it was staring straight at me.

I've got a pretty decent picture of it again conclusively.

Can you say this was a canine or whatever?

No, but you can make out the dark spots where the eyes would be and where the ears were at.

And the tip of the nose.

I've got a pictures of the spot in the daylight, and that was maybe seventy feet sixty seventy feet from my vehicle, and I just sat there and I was trying to take pictures of that, and which I got a couple of good ones, but again my phone was that one.

So jammed the charger into it at the time to try and get what I could.

And I think I just sat there, like, I don't know, for five minutes, just looking at this thing.

And it reminded me of have you ever seen Game of Thrones and they have those dire rules.

It's like one of like like a big white one.

I think that it's John Snow or something.

I'm not sure, but it was massive, a really big head at a long body.

From when I went back there the next day to see where its body length was is the length of its body had been almost seven and a half feet and it was curled up sort of and uh and but very strangely like these things were or just right there.

And I'd been out here daily, multiple times a day for three years and to see to see this, I mean, it was it was startling, and you know, I was excited and again, you know, I mean that's kind of creepy at the same time, and have these things staring at you.

Now, nothing was aggressive, didn't.

I would say, I'm very very fortunate the fact that nothing that between these two encounters, that nothing came rushing at me, Like I couldn't imagine, Like that's to be out in the woods on some mountain side by yourself, We're having these things tapping on your window like that's terrifying.

I I don't know what I'd do.

I mean, I'd probably people probably think I'm crazy.

I'd probably did mag dump something in the face.

So I heard some tapping on the window.

What good it do?

I don't know.

But I've been fortunate in that since the fact that nothing is overtly tried to hurt me.

But the fact that Bella was taken, now that that's one thing that I've been having a hard time getting over.

And that's something I just had to swallow because I was so mad, so angry.

I mean, I would have like an ar in my trunk and sometimes I walk around with it.

Sometimes I didn't, you know, one, I don't want to freak out all these new people that move me in over here.

I don't really care about that.

That's not even issue.

Just I knew that wasn't healthy behavior.

And sometimes I can get like a dog on a bone when I get a hold of something I don't like to let go.

And letting Bella go was hard enough.

And having to swallow the fact that she was taken.

And I thought for the longest time that maybe this big black one that came from the from the Creek area, you know, the year year and a half prior, thought maybe maybe that had come and taken her for just I mean, why who knows?

But we Why do they.

Do the thing that they do when we really can't explain that sent dark sense of humor because it growled at her and she didn't back down.

I don't know, but.

Having to give up the like I haven't taken the guns out in a while every now and I still will, but just in case, and I'll leave it in my car, you know, because there's still coyotes out here.

And I did track a really really big hog until it had been like four hundred and fifty pounds in the depression of It's tough.

But and then I saw these July twelfth, and I told my wife and I took her two days later back to the same spot to show her where it was at.

And actually that was where we set off fireworks in July fourth, the same exact spot.

And like I said, it backs up to this past year.

And when I was talking to her about I was facing towards her.

My back was to the vegetation area, and she was facing you know, standing there looking at me from sidewalk, and she said that there's something.

She started getting kind of scared.

She saw something behind me, not.

Directly right behind me, but like thirty thirty maybe twenty twenty yards I guess off this from this tiny little trickle of water, this small, really small creek, and it was upright and it was moving from the if you're looking at it from her view from right to left.

And I turned around and I looked.

I didn't have my flash at the time.

I couldn't find it.

And yeah, I saw.

I saw it was darker than everything else around it.

And you can tell it was standing up and eventually had passed behind some trees.

And she's like not having it.

She's like, Okay, it's time to go.

And as curious as I am, I like to push the envelope and chase things and you stupid stuff.

I went ahead and decided not to test it, and we got in the car and went home.

And uh, yeah, so these things they haven't been easy.

I still come out every single night, take my dogs out here every night.

As soon as I get off of the phone here, I'm gonna I'm gonna go back home and get my dogs, make sure the fed, and come out here and.

Go for a good hour walk.

Mm hmmm.

I want to walk back up across this little creek area and up into that field and go to where Bella's rushing spot was.

We won't be for much longer.

Unfortunately, we own our double wide.

We have perfected.

So leave.

Oh no, you're making up again.

You're breaking out here.

Yeah, let's see how you sound now.

I think I wou now.

Vic, Yeah, this seems better.

Can you go back in and read tell us what you were just starting into telling us about.

Sure?

Sure, I was saying that after we get off the phone here, I'm going to go home, make sure my dogs are fed, and I want to come back out here, and I want to go across the creek area over there into this field and probably just maybe go pay respects to Bella's resting spot.

Now I know she's not there anymore, but just we won't be around here for very much longer.

Unfortunately, I've loved Wiley, been here for fifteen years.

We have a mortgage on a decent double wide home.

But uh, due to unfortunate circumstances, were being evicted.

I went to the court hearing.

The judge wouldn't even let me speak, and he terrified my wife so much that you know, she's so intimidated she didn't even know what to say.

You also dismissed our our motion to continue, which basically gives you a little more time to get legal counsel, and it seems like they're fast tracking and getting us out of there.

So we're actually in the midst of packing a bunch of stuff up and uh and having to.

Figure ou where we're gonna go.

We're gonna take our dogs and my kids.

And you know, things have not been easy.

You know, Almongst, you know how to deal with all these things.

And honestly, it feels like the Dogman experience was easier to deal with than than having to uproot our lives again and start from scratch.

But uh, it looks if they're not going to give us any choice and they don't want to.

Uh, and I can come up, you know, two thousand dollars and you know, in a week as much as I tried selling things, selling my guns, and uh, it doesn't look like it's gonna happen.

So I think I'm gonna go.

We're probably gonna be gone.

We have I think the last day before they get the rid of Possesion's gonna be Tuesday.

So I think tonight we're gonna go up there and go visit Vellas.

Yes, well, the place where I later arrest I wouldn't say her grave anymore because she's not there, but probably just go up there one last time before having to leave this place.

And uh, that's that's about it.

I don't know what else to talk about.

But sometimes, like I said, life can be difficult for a lot of us.

And you know, I've been fortunate with the dog mancounters that I've had.

They weren't they weren't threatening and doing all that crazy stuff, thank god.

But they definitely come out of nowhere for some reason.

And I know you've said before, you know, with the amount of times we go out there in the woods and I go like to go hiking.

My dogs, they used to hike all the place when I was a kid, you know, an upstate in New York, up the mountains.

I just mean, a little brother, these things could could be all around us.

I don't know if it has to do with our state of mind, whether or not they want, if they can read our intentions, on whether or not they choose to show themselves.

And sometimes it seems to be an opportunity for them to looking for a quick meal or something, or just to terrify someone.

I mean, again, we don't know why they do what they do.

But sometimes life like life can be a little bit more difficult even even even going through that, at least for me anyways.

But I mean, what else can you do?

Just stick you get back to the grindstone and just keep on, just to.

Make your way.

And uh, it's about it.

Vic.

Well, first of all, I'm so sorry to hear about Bella passing.

It's never easy.

But please remember it was Bella's body that was taken out of that grave.

It wasn't.

Bella is in a different place now, a place where she doesn't have to worry about all the problems that we do here on earth.

We're left behind.

But like in our conversation that we had the first time we spoke, please remember everything I told you about that whole situation and everything, and I hope that helps.

And number two, like I told you in that conversation, also, I'm so sorry to hear about your housing situation there.

From how you described what's going on, it sounds like you think Sunday.

Did you say Sunday is when you think you're going to be evicted?

Or did you say Tuesday?

Now I think, oh, well, we've already went to the core.

I think Tuesday is the we had.

So we did a filed and appeal and they give you six days to uh to to come up with the the So now they want a full month's rent to go to the court.

And like, I didn't have money the two thousand dollars for the heal bond, and so they granted kind of like te hundred and sixty seven dollars to pay to the court.

So if whoever loses the or Wednesday appeal they get they get that the six hundred and sixty seven dollars, which would be like a full months rent, and uh, we have until Tuesday to come up with that, and but I haven't.

Uh, I haven't been able to come up with that with that total amount, and which means the judge is probably likely just gonna not even bother even looking at the peal that they're going to toss it out and they're gonna award the management company the writ of possession, which is going to be I don't know the rules when you have a mortgage on a home and you're being evicted from the land beneath you.

I don't know if there's a certain amount of time you can you have to figure out but I know, I'm pretty sure it's like something like thirty days or something like that to move your house and it being adulable.

I mean, one, you'd have to have a land for it to go to, and the several thousand dollars to move it to the said land.

And if I move it, you know, just stay where we're at without having to uproot everything.

But unfortunately, I wasn't able to come up with that money.

So unfortunately you're starting to break up again.

But yeah, I think I think we're able to make out enough.

You said that if you had six hundred and how much dollars before Tuesday, you think you would be able to stay this month.

Uh well no, not to say.

That's just for them to look over the appeal, the appeal that we put in after they after you got viction court, you have to put in a whole month's rent to the to the.

Appeal court for the judge to look over the appeal.

In order to have a perfect appeal, you have to put in the full months, a full month's worth of rent for this month, which is six hundred and sixty seven dollars.

But we also have a mortgage and all that stuff too.

But but yeah, no, So in order just for them to look at the appeal and consider it, we'd have to pay six hundred and sixty seven dollars and uh and that's and we can still lose it at that point too, but you know.

We tried, so we bat till tuesday.

If you were able to get past that hurdle and pay for the appeal to actually go through, what do you think of the odds that next month, the month after that, you'd be able to retain your property.

Well, if we were granted the appeal then and like we're we finally got a hold of some legal counsel.

This you know, an advocate Eviction Advocacy Center, which is a team of lawyers that try and help people in that position and turns out ninety percent of eviction cases where people the tenants have a lawyer, they win their case, and in cases where they don't, almost ninety almost every case that where people don't have a lawyer, they lose.

But if we were given the appeal, there might be an opportunity for them to.

Because the whole basis our defense was the fact that the the.

The proper notify notification to us about the eviction, which we didn't get, but they claim that did and we never got anything.

And the fact that the judge dismissed our motion to continue to give us more time to find lee counsel, and he dismissed that and he would allow us to to find to have more time to get it, to find someone, you know, to learn, you know, at least.

Court procedures, like they hold you to these procedures.

Where like you have to be your own lawyer and you have to conductor you yourself as much, meaning like you have to say certain things and in order to even be heard.

And that I was.

I looked up, you know, I studied as much as I could, knowing that we didn't have time for a counsel.

So I thought I was our best shot.

And the judge silenced me and said I'd be held an contempt if I continue to try and speak.

So he put it on my wife and she was, like I said, so intimidated.

She didn't even know what to say and how to question with him, you know.

The management and and the judge really basically just kind of like a just shackled me and just pushed it on through and awarded the eviction to the management and said we've got time to appeal, and we have to pay X amount of money for the appeal.

And the appeal just gives us.

An opportunity for someone to flint to look over and say say whether or not like we got an a fair shot or if we're given an opportunity for a.

Jury, So what's the probability.

I don't know.

I mean, it's better than better than what we have now.

But and if we can get you know, a lawyer to advocate for us on our behalf, then things are looking a whole lot better than what they were.

But if I had the money just to pay them off to the management company, and that's where I would have done it, you know, but we won't give enough time to do so.

I'm going to put this as eloquently as possible.

That judge sounds like a piece of crap to me.

And if there ever was a judge who suffers from black robe disease, that judge would definitely be it, because that's just ridiculous how he's been acting, how he has been treating you, that is just ridiculous.

If I were to create a good Fundme page for you tonight, before I went to bed, so we could try to raise seven hundred dollars for you, so you could push through that appeal.

How would that sound would that be.

To you?

I wouldn't even begin I wouldn't even know I would I'd beat.

A tears like that.

I'd be totally, eternally grateful.

I don't want to make my burden anyone else's problem, either, but I appreciate that that's that's very generous to you.

Oh, it's the least I can do.

If I'm in a position to be able to help someone in need, then no, it's my duty to do that.

And I just feel so lucky, so blessed to be in a position to be able to help.

Now.

I can't guarantee that we'd be able to raise that seven hundred before in such short time before Tuesday, But the least I can do is to create that GoFundMe page so we can try, we can do the best we can to meet that goal.

I mean, that judge, he's put you in a tight spot that you never should have been put into, and for him to act all high and mighty the way he is and the way so many judges do, Unfortunately, that's just deplorable.

You shouldn't be you shouldn't be subject to treatment like that.

It really is a shame.

It's awful and says everything that you need to know about a ridiculous judicial system.

What a joke.

But, like I said, rest issured, before I go to bed tonight, i'll have that, and I'll need to work with you to get some pertinent information from you to create that GoFundMe page.

But yeah, before I go to bed tonight and it's been a long day, but before I go to bed tonight, I will create that go fundme page, so anyone listening who wants to be able to help Patrick meet that goal of seven hundred dollars so he can push that appeal through.

Yeah, if you go to Dogmanencounters dot com on the homepage right at the top, you're going to find a link that I'm going to post for that go fundme page, And also check the description for tonight's show.

After I've created that GoFundMe page before I go to bed, I'll be sure to post that link for the good fund me in the description for tonight's show.

Also, that'll make it really easy for you to find it if you want to help contribute to help Patrick through this mess.

What a mess.

I appreciate that very much.

Vic.

You know, the way they made this new law that they passed, they made much more difficult and much easier for you know, landlords to get people out of the house and to keep from extending the you know, their time there.

And it's difficult being it's not like we're being vicking from apartment.

We have a mortgage on this house.

And UH, with the amount of time that they'll give us, which from what I've looked up, there won't be enough time to come up enough money to find a place of land and UH a higher company to you know, ship my house.

They'll have to take it literally apart in two pieces and haul it off, which is costs thousands and thousands of dollars.

And UH, I don't I really don't know what my options are at this point, but hopefull that we can get a hold of the UH.

I've gotten some emails back from the Avoca Avocation Center.

I haven't spoken to them yet, but hopefully hopefully we can you know, put rally caps on and come through.

But one thing I was saying, you know, I remind my kids and you know, and a lot of things I've gone through my life have been tough.

I've always said, no matter what happens, you know, we'll be okay.

So that goes through everyone else out there too.

Just always remember that no matter what happens, you'll be all right.

I like the way you think, and you're right.

You will be all right, you really will.

I think I've got this feeling.

I think we're going to be able to do it.

I think we will be able to have that seven hundred dollars to you by Tuesday.

Now, please make sure you're available.

I'm probably going to need to send several text messages to you tonight.

It might be kind of late too, as I'm going through the process of setting it up.

There are things I have to do before I can start working on that go fundme page tonight.

But yeah, please do remain available for those text messages so I can get it totally ready to go and end up and running tonight.

So I'll be up.

I saw my middle of the night walk with my dogs, so I gotta do so I'll be up for some time.

Okay, good, that's really good.

Well, Patrick, it is a little over an hour in I've got tons of questions to ask, and I know the listeners in the live chat, they've got tons of questions they want me to ask you too.

So I think here is where we're gonna call it quits for tonight's show, just making sure are you still up for coming back for a part too, so you can answer all these questions, and of course we can talk about that goal, that seven hundred dollars goal as well.

Certainly, of course i'll even if again I'm not gonna hold my breath, but even regardless of that, I'll be back.

But I'll definitely i'll be back thick for sure.

Well that's great, Yeah, that's really good.

Well, yeah, i'll.

Just do that.

I will do the things I just mentioned.

And yeah, as long as you're o key with coming back for that part too, I'll get with you to schedule that follow up show.

I don't know when it's going to be right now, but we'll put our heads together and get that all hashed out.

But yeah, in the meantime, everyone listening, Yeah, if you can help to contribute to this cause to help Patrick out, it would be most appreciated.

Like I said, you'll be able to find a link to that GoFundMe page in the description for tonight's show after I create it late tonight.

And also I'll post a link for it on Dogmancounters dot Com right on the homepage right near the top.

So yeah, I can't thank you enough for listening.

I can't thank you enough for any help you can give.

Patrick.

We really do appreciate it, We really do.

But having said that, before we get out of here, Patrick, do you have any clothing comments you want to put out there for us?

Well, one, I would say to anyone who says that they really really want to see a dog man and they kind of get obsessed over it sometimes times, and it's not it's really not something you really wanted, you find out that you shouldn't have been wishing for that, so he'll be careful what you wish for.

And two, just remember when our hard life down, were starting it back up and letting out again.

There, Okay, can you hear me, you're breaking up?

Fine?

Okay, good, you were breaking up.

They're really bad.

When you started to share that second point, can you share it with us again?

Sure?

I was saying that no matter how how hard life may kick you, when you're down and how difficult things seem and all the pressures and responsibilities we have on our shoulders that no matter what you know, just remember that you'll be okay and and just you'll never give up.

And just that's about it.

Very wise words, very wise words.

Like I told you, I really do love the way you think and know that.

Yeah, we'll be working behind the scenes to get that go fund me up and ready to go.

And like I said, everyone listening, thanks, It's always so much for listening and any support you can give Patrick to help him out of a very tight spot that he really shouldn't have to deal with.

But if you've had a dogman accounter that you need help with, or if you'd like to be a guest on the show to come on to share that experience with the listeners, please go to dogmandcounters dot com submit a report and if you do that, then I'll contact you to schedule a phone consultation and we'll take it from there.

But having said that, thanks again so much for coming on, Patrick, and like I said, we'll put our heads together to schedule that follow up show.

Appreciate it big, you know you're welcome.

Thanks again so much, and I'll talk to you tonight.