Episode Transcript
Wes huff saying the quiet part out loud yet again.
We're also going to be engaging with a back and forth with another creator, a reaction video to a reaction video, if you, if you will, very meta.
And then I will also be talking about a pastor that I'm going to be sitting down with who I think has some pretty wild views, but we're going to try to get to the bottom of them and have a conversation.
So again, thank you guys for tuning in.
Appreciate everybody.
So in light of all of this crazy Internet land stuff, it's always refreshing to see someone that blows up online, not for being scandalized, not for being polarizing, not for being controversial, but just for having a great level of expertise in something and then being put in a in the lion's den situation to exhibit said expertise.
And that really is, in my opinion, Wes Huff, like Wes Huff, I think his ascension with regards to the Billy Carson situation and then subsequently appearing on Joe Rogan podcast and flagrant and all these massive interviews is that has been nothing short of amazing.
But he threw up a video year in review and looking back into 20 looking into 2026, a video really going into some of the aspects of influence that many of us don't consider and the challenges that many of us aren't aren't factoring in.
And I'll I'll share some of my own insights with this as well.
And this is Wes help from his video A year Looking year review.
I don't think God ever created us to know the personal opinions of thousands of people all in one go.
There came a time not that far into this last year where I had to step back and reassess how I dealt with the online world.
I couldn't open up YouTube without seeing a wall of response videos towards me.
That opening up the app and just seeing response videos towards you.
This is something that Forrest Frank talked about as well, right?
The, the, the you, you're opening up social media and it's just video after video after video about you.
Forrest talked about what that does to the nervous system, especially seeing so much information inundated and especially on a platform like TikTok or Instagram, where TikTok autoplays stuff, right?
And so they know that you're force frank and, and, and there's videos related to you.
And so they're going to show you stuff that's related to you.
There's something about the onslaught of hundreds of people's criticisms that just really does a number on you.
And it was constant, multiple videos and posts a day, multiple responses, critiques, objections, judgments.
And while that's slowed down somewhat now, I would say that I probably still see at least a few a week being produced.
And when it's a couple, it's manageable.
When it's dozens in a week, that's when it just becomes a barrage and there when there's dozens in a week.
That's just when it becomes a barrage and there when there's dozens in a week, that's just when it becomes a barrage and what happens.
It's like when someone's scorching hot.
Often times there's an economy and incentive structure to make reaction videos, make response videos.
Sometimes that's good faith.
Sometimes people are just being good Bereans and they're convinced that that this person is wrong and they're right.
Other times they're not so good faith.
And it's hard to decipher the difference.
And So what Wes is describing here is spot on.
I you know, there's a there's AI, forgot the phrase, but it's something to the extent of like that the the human brain may have not been designed to more than to no more than 150 people because that's how we grew up in villages, on farms, in small towns, knowing 150 people.
Now you can have 150 video responses to something you said on Joe Rogan.
And Wes has owned some of the misspeaks He's he did on Rogan.
But when you open that up and you just see onslaught of videos, I think it does something to your brain.
I think it does something to your psychology.
So Wes is being honest with that.
Like, yeah, I I had to take a step back.
I had to slow down and it is amplified when you have a fast glow up like this, right?
It's very amplified when you have a fast glow up like this.
Wes became someone who had 10,000 subscribers when I met him approximately to on Rogan within a matter of three months, millions of views, right.
So this is something that is that is different for me.
You know, I, I've been on YouTube fairly consistently for six years and then prior to that I was doing Christian hip hop music, which I mean, you want to talk about responses and opinions of people.
So I've been a relatively micro influencer, micro artist for, you know, the better course of a decade.
So I know what it's like to do with this sort of stuff.
But but if you, if you blow up in three or four months, it's going to feel different, right?
And so let me let me let him flesh this out a bit more.
There's only so much mental and emotional and spiritual and physical and personal bandwidth that someone has in a day, and the tax it takes to constantly listen to criticisms over and over and over, 1 after the other is something that weighs on your soul.
And so there came a time where I just needed someone else to run interference on my messages and I just needed to withdraw from online content.
Something for the sake of my sanity.
It's something I'm still to this day attempting to navigate if I'm honest.
This isn't just response videos.
I think this could be comments.
I think this could be people in your DMSI think, I think the onslaught of so many people having access to you and you choosing or not choosing to engage with them could be very damaging on one's nervous system.
So he's spot on.
And I think these are these are costs that people don't count when they desire to get into this space.
Now listen, I live an amazing life and I get to do an amazing work on YouTube and I'm so humbled and so grateful for all you guys who watch and all you guys who chime in and all you guys who support and all the guys on Patreon, everyone that's ever bought my book.
God, the ambition.
Like I'm, I'm super grateful for all that.
But there's something weird about the human brain where it tends to go more towards the negative thing someone says about you then the +80 comments you your brain goes to the one negative, right?
I don't know what that is.
I don't know if that's our own fallen nature that needs validation.
I don't know if it I don't know what that is.
But this isn't just W saying this like again within the last what we covered force Frank just within the last two weeks said said almost something identical to this right?
So let me let him flesh his next part out.
And I don't want to belabor this point too much, but when I say I don't watch response videos when I post, make a post saying that online, that's not an attempt to create an echo chamber.
I regularly read, listen to, interact with, and even discuss ideas with people who hold counter perspectives to me.
I'm not against listening to people who I disagree with, I do it all the time at the exact time.
I also don't feel obligated to pick and choose between the avalanche of videos claiming to correct me.
It's less about creating some sort of ideas silo and more of setting boundaries for the sake of my sanity.
And I understand that might not make sense to everyone listening, but I I cannot express to you how emotionally draining it is to have constant and ongoing criticism lobbed at you.
It's some.
Yeah.
Now, let me let me just say this, and this is going to be controversial.
I don't know if I get as many videos made about me, but but I will say I get a lot of videos made about me.
There's probably thousands of videos made about me from every aspect, much of the discernment ministry, Christian type exposed type videos, right?
I virtually don't watch any of them.
I don't pay attention to any of them because one, I'm fairly easy to get a hold of and two, there's real people in my real life that have real insight and real input into what I'm doing.
So Wes talking about this is a good boundary to have.
And the interesting part is even when I've reacted to other creators, when I've engaged with other girls, the thing that's always interesting and I and I really do try to do a net positive approach to YouTube in in the sense that I'm trying to see something good in the video and engage with that versus just tearing someone down and calling them stupid and dunking on them.
Right.
The wild part is how many creators that I've reacted to generally giving a good reactor or maybe a gentle pushback that are shocked when I go, yeah, like I think, you know, blah, blah, blah.
And I give them props on something meaning this.
Most people on YouTube when they get a reaction video made to them is going to be negative.
It's going to be pointing out something they did wrong.
It's going to be pointing out something they fell short in.
It's one thing when it's comments, OK, you can deal with those.
It's another thing when you are getting a video done.
It's another thing when you drop something and you did your best and you weren't perfect, but you did your best.
And then there's like dozens and dozens of video.
I'm, I'm trying to think the last, it's happened to me multiple times.
I'm trying to think the last time that this has happened with, with, with with a degree of magnitude.
It was probably the Carl Lentz podcast, right?
Like I thought that was a fairly good podcast.
I think I understood what some of the things that Lentz was saying.
I think we both were saying, Hey, let's, let's contextualize some stuff.
There was actually a delete and a re upload of it with some clarification points specifically about discernment ministries.
And even despite all that, people watch the two hour conversation of generally someone that's repentful, whether you like his personality or not, whether you like his theology or not, whether you like his, his paradigm of big churches or not, generally repentful.
And folks just picked out the one negative thing he said about small churches and then made hundreds of videos about it.
And then it, and then it's like me in the process for not defending small churches where like I don't think he was generalizing all small churches.
But that's just one example.
I can talk about the previous year where we had hundreds of videos made about videos from five years ago that were out of context when I was doing Christian marketing advice and trying to help Christian artists and Christian rappers monetize their audience, right?
And those videos being pulled in and being decontextualized and, and, and played in this context of what I'm doing now, which is very different than what I was doing 5-6 years ago, seven years ago on YouTube.
This is the Internet.
I understand this is what comes with it, but that doesn't mean that it makes it all right.
And so Wes goes on to then explain some of the other stuff he's going through.
That's the wild part.
Is this other stuff that that he's dealing with in his real life that folks don't factor in when they're crashing out on West because he said word for word identical versus 95 to 97% identical of the great Isaiah scroll in 1000 years apart.
It's right.
That's that's the wild part, right?
Let me let, let me let W cook.
Something I didn't fully understand previous to this, at least not in the sheer volume that I get it now.
And it's no exaggeration to say that at least once a month, sometimes weekly, I have well meaning people who know me personally sending me these and, and they're not doing so maliciously.
They themselves, I think, you know, they're online, they're coming across them and I'm sure they feel some sense of protective instinct.
Yeah, and by the way, if you like, if you got my ear, you know, one of the best things you can do is not just send me a video like you just like, hey, man, this would do amazing.
Good points.
Would we be better to just say, hey, man, heads up, this person made this video and he said this and this.
You may want to engage with it or you may not because it's way different than like say, say my man CP, the artist who's in the chat right now, he's one of our mods.
I know, like I've met CP in real life.
I think he's going to come out to our summit.
Good brother, creative guy.
We have some of his art on the wall here.
Like if CP hits me with a voice note and he has my number and he just goes, Hey, man, so and so made a response video about you.
I he he, he, he just earlier said, I love watching those anti ruse on videos, right.
So he has been saying, hey, man, so and so made a video.
This may or may not be good to engage with.
Just a heads up, right?
If you want to, if you want to look at it, let me know.
That's way better than just blasting somebody a link of them in the thumbnail with devil horns or them in the thumbnail with loser or wasted in the in the daggone.
In the daggone.
Gosh, what is the word?
I'm drawing a blank.
Not Call of Duty Grand Theft Auto waste it right?
Like somebody's like it's always better if if you have somebody's ear, if you have a creator's ear, if you're someone that like I, I react to in DM with, it's always better to send a voice note and just give some context than to do that.
And I've done that with a lot of creators before.
Hey, check it out.
So and so just send some shots at you.
I think it's kind of a nothing burger, You know what I mean?
So anyway, let me let me get back.
Oh, and by the way, I got to let you guys know, you guys know Wes is going to be at our blessed God Summit happening March 56th and 7th.
I just mentioned CPB in there and this is going to be super fun.
We have a three day conference happening here in Oceanside, CA in March.
It's going to be a beautiful time right on the beach at a amazing resort called the Seabird.
Myself, Wes Huff, Mike Winger, Doctor Sean McDowell, Dustin Savella, KBS outside, Rabbi Michael Knowles from the Daily Wire.
This lineup is insane.
Tickets are available now.
This is a premium event.
OK.
You can check out more of the lineup here and everyone's bio.
And we're talking about Worldview, Virtue and impact, getting your world view in order and then getting your virtues aligned up and then getting your impact aligned with God's ways.
So this is happening March 5th, 6th and 7th.
If you want to come to this and you're like, dude, finances are tight.
Apply for a scholarship if you got it, go get your tickets now.
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OK, let's get back to to what's up.
Thinking I also need to be aware of them and so I can personally set up those blocks in order that I'm not flooded with them when I go online, but if they're being sent to me, it kind of resets that cycle.
Yeah, I mean, you could hit like don't recommend channel, right?
But the, the when someone's texting it to you, then it just reinstates the entire algorithm process.
First world problems.
I get it.
But what I'm getting at on a deeper level is so many people desire influence and they desire status and they desire having a voice that they don't count the cost And some of the downsides of this, right?
That's the part that isn't, isn't factored in is like, look, man, this isn't always what you think it is.
That oftentimes there is a cost that comes to the soul with becoming a Wes Huff very quickly.
And again, my heart is always, hey, I want to see more Wes Huff more, more Gavin Orlands, more Nate Salas, more Mike Wingers.
I want to see more brothers in their late 30s and 40s on this platform, YouTube and less young people because young people don't always know how to factor in the criticism and how to deal with this sort of stuff.
So like this is already hitting us.
But if you're young and you're like, I want to be a Christian influencer, it's like for what?
Like why?
Because you have a, a void that you want to fill in your heart and you need validation.
You're already validated in Jesus, like Jesus already validated you on the cross, right?
Why do you want influence?
Why do you want status?
Why do you want fame and acclaim for what Now, if you're saying, hey, God delivered me of this thing, I've had breakthrough in this area.
I've seen the hand of God in Syria.
And I want to show other people what God has done in my life.
And I want to yell it from the mountaintops and I just can't contain it.
And that's different.
That's different.
But but trust me, as someone that's close to a lot of influential people, OK man, this stuff takes a toll on them.
So just desiring to be a influencer or desiring to be famous forsake of being famous is not healthy for you.
Historically, people became influential and became famous because they did something well and then they got fame in a byproduct of fame as as a as the downstream effects of that CS Lewis Jr.
token right?
Like Christians who became famous were famous because they did something good.
They offered in something of value to society, something that's good, something that's beautiful, whether that's literature, art, preaching, some sort of invention.
Now there's people that are known for being known.
They're just famous for being famous.
And trust me, if you, if you're under 40, under 35, it's much harder to navigate this.
It is so much harder to navigate this.
So I, I, when you guys see me rally behind folks who are, who are the Wes Huffs, the Gavin Orleans, the Mike wingers, the Nate Salas and champion him.
And a lot of times I'm telling people behind the scenes, we need more seasoned pastors.
We need more seasoned men of God and women of God on this platform, right?
We need more of that, not less.
And we, and in my opinion, like I don't, I don't, I, I everything, I, every event I do, every event I do, one of the most frequently asked questions is how did you, how did you be?
How did you build what you built?
And it's like, well, first of all, on, on the back of decades of failing and, and, and, and, and, and working extremely hard on top of decades prior to that of serving in a local church capacity and doing what I'm doing now, but in a small group with men or with junior high kids or with high school adults or with young young adults or on Sunday mornings, right.
So you're talking 2 decades of consistent local church ministry before I had any sort of massive explosion on YouTube.
And I still, I mean, I still don't think I'm like massively famous or whatever like that.
I'm within a specific world of people that know me.
And that's that's awesome.
But I like my anonymity in in public spaces.
There's folks that don't have that, which we're going to get to Forrest Frank in a second.
Forrest Frank talked about not being able to go to Disneyland with his family.
Imagine that for a second.
Forrest Frank shared a story and it's this broke my heart because I know Forrest and I love Forrest and Forrest is such a pure soul.
And Forrest talks about going to Disneyland with his kid.
I want to say his oldest is like 3 and, and he walks in and he, he doesn't understand that, oh, bro, you're not doing 1000 seaters anymore.
You're now in arenas.
And he walks in and he gets swarmed by people and he and he, and he, and he freaks out and he has to call his manager and they have to call Disneyland and get security to escort him out.
And so it's like, you don't you, don't you trust young, young, young men of God, young woman, you really don't know what you're, what you're signing up for.
If you're trying to get popping on TikTok, you really don't know, you don't understand.
My advice to folks who are aspiring for influence is like, go build something and do something and maybe help someone else build something that is in a season where they can handle this.
You got a great pastor who loves Jesus and he's a good communicator and he has no social media.
Maybe go work with them and help them blow up their, their online ministry, right?
That's, that's what I think is, is the logical step.
So anyway, let's get back to us.
And so I want to give a brief update because when I made my last update video back in September, I shared that one of my children had been having a series of medical emergencies.
And thanks to God's provision, we were able to get to the tests and consultations and competent medical professionals and appointments that allowed for that to be dealt with.
So as of now, there hasn't been another emergency.
And we're so thankful for God's provision with all of that.
That's not necessarily the end of the personal things I want to briefly share though, because in November of 2025, while walking to the park with my four kids, one of my children was hit by a distracted driver while we were crossing the road.
It also happened to be the same child who was having the medical episodes earlier.
Yeah.
And and so this is first time speaking about it, but like I remember getting the voice notes the day it happened.
Imagine, imagine this happening to you.
Imagine this happening to you in your real life.
Imagine a distracted you.
You have a child who's, I mean, I, I've, I've met Wes's kids and they're the sweetest kids and he has a baby.
Me and my wife just had a baby.
But imagine this happening to your child and you open YouTube and there's reaction videos of something you said on a podcast.
There's reaction videos tearing you down.
There's reaction videos attacking you.
Imagine that for a second.
And you have a a child that that just got struck by a distracted driver, had to go to the emergency room, right.
And I'll let you guys go watch the, the rest of this video.
But these are the things that that you you don't understand.
And so it's like, I think be careful with with with how you engage, especially like if the the handful of you guys that that like hate watch me and you have your own discernment ministry channels.
Like, man, I lost my niece last December, was in the middle of planning a memorial service and was getting dragged online from every corner of the Internet.
You don't really know what someone's going through while you're attacking them.
And, and for the record, someone like myself is fairly easy to get a hold of, even a simple heads up.
Hey, heads up.
Hey, man, I saw you do this thing with Carl Lentz and I feel like he attacked local churches and man, maybe you shouldn't have.
Maybe you should have pushed back a little bit more.
You can you can you generally I'm fairly easy to get a hold of in our spaces, right?
Wes is a bit more reserved and he he's way more guarded.
I have tough skin.
So it's like these little, these little like, hey, man, just just tap it.
Just just saw this.
I know I don't really rock with you, but just want to give you a heads up.
And there's people that do that, by the way, there's there's a couple, there's a couple websites that have done that.
There's a couple of creators that have done that.
But generally speaking, it's just like, Oh no, like, you know, red meat for the wolves.
We got we got one, we got one.
We hate Lintz and Ruslan.
And now we're just right.
And it's gross, man, It's gross.
Now I'm again, I'm not saying that everybody who makes a reaction video is bad faith.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying the broader conversation, this on Christian YouTube is generally, generally bad faith and it's starting with the presupposition of this person's already off this person's already in error.
This person's already a compromise.
This person's filled in the blank, a fraud, a grifter fill in the blank and that that that's if Jesus says the world will know that we're his disciples by how we love one another.
Well then what happens when that's not what we're exhibiting in front of the world.
So remember, Jesus is a new command I give you.
This is in John, which by the way, the Gospel of John is fire.
I I, I love the Gospel of John because it's the way it jumps into the the story is very interesting, right, because the synoptic gospels just walk you through Jesus life, more or less.
Gospel of John is, is very fascinating.
But but in the Gospel of John, Jesus says new command, I give you love one another.
He's talking to the disciples as I've loved you, OK, and then he says, and the world will know that you're my disciples based on how you love one another.
And so when that's not exhibited in the online space of hey, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, The the, the, the conclusion that one must come to is one of two things.
The people you're smearing and attacking, either one, you don't see them as brothers in Christ.
Or two, you do and don't care.
You know that scripture and you just don't give a crap either, which is out of pocket.
And again, I understand this coming from the world.
I understand it's coming from the world.
Forrest Frank said the same thing.
I understand it's coming from the world.
I, I struggle with it coming from other Christians.
You could disagree with me on my charismatic leanings in my theology.
Ruslan believes in the Gibson spirit.
You could disagree with my thumbnails.
You could disagree with the topics that we hit.
You could disagree with the friends I have.
You don't like that.
I'm friendly with Carl Lentz and I'm also friendly with Melissa Doddery.
All of that is fine, all of that is fine, but if you're going to take the disagreements and then do an A public assassination of my character and then and I'm going to weave all these things together.
I don't like that Ruslan talked about money 6-7 years ago when he was trying to help Christian artists make more money and monetize their audience.
All remove the context.
You don't like those that that's fine.
But weaving all those things in together to, to smear someone and dehumanize someone that by all measurable accounts, like I'm a brother in Christ, whether you agree with me on everything or whether I agree with you on everything, right?
I'm a brother in Christ.
And so that's the part that's unfortunate.
And Wes got it got got hit hard, man, because he got it from he got it from the skeptics like the Alex O'Connor's that in my opinion, which is super nitpicky over the Isaiah scroll thing.
He got it from the Catholics.
He got it from the Eastern Orthodox.
He got it from everybody, all pockets of the Internet, hard, like hard all at once.
And most of it was not good.
And then you, you know, you see Gavin Ortlin engaging in this sort of stuff.
But then at some point it just becomes a loop around.
It just becomes a loop around.
We're just going in loops.
A reaction of a reaction of a reaction of a reaction, which leads to a reaction of a reaction that we're about to get into.
This is going to be light.
OK?
So, so, so don't, don't, don't, don't, don't get crazy again.
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Come see him at the Bless Scott Summit.
It's going to be awesome.
But I wanted to engage with this because this is a creator that we reacted to.
And then he did a reaction to my reaction.
And this isn't, this is like this isn't super serious.
But I do want to point out to something that I think that sometimes when stuff is coming as a reaction, it's actually coming from world views that are a bit different than ours as followers of Jesus, right?
They're a bit different.
So I wanted to engage with this conversation because this was a reaction of a reaction reaction.
And this is very, very interesting.
No, no, no, Gavin didn't attack W I'm sorry.
No, no.
Say Gavin had Gavin engages with people.
Sorry if I didn't speak.
No, no, no, no.
Gavin and West are really good friends.
Gavin didn't attack.
Gavin and West are going to be at the summit.
No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying Gavin does a good job of engaging with people, but then it just becomes a loop.
Does that make sense?
OK, this is a creator that is engaging with my video on a forest Frank Colton.
So this is Colton.
I'm not super familiar with Colton.
This is my first time engaging with Colton, but I reacted to when Colton engage with the forest frank video.
And I just wanted to do something like because I, I don't think Colton means any harm.
But there are some things that I, I, I found interesting to say the least with regards to this in terms of how some of these reaction videos could be coming from a different worldview.
And he he just spells it out right for us, like out the rib, he spells it out and it's almost yeah, anyway, let's let's engage with it.
And then and then I got we're going to talk about the Joe Webb and situation after this.
OK, so those are you guys that are like Ruslan, I saw the the little back and forth on Joe Webb and I got some good news on that because it's called forced bank apology video.
This is him.
He's reacting to my video.
And so I'll play my video and then I'll play his video and then I'll react hater videos, which he responds, claps back to some of the stuff.
But before we get into that, let's look at some of these hater videos.
Oh no, I've seemed to found myself embroiled in discourse.
Let's see what these haters have to say.
Let's check these out.
Who that is?
He's a huge Christian music artist.
He's about to do a whole.
Toxic gratitude.
Unitor is everything that like every 18 year old I went to Christian college with wanted to be.
He's hot, He looks cool when he.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Why are you calling for?
Is Frank hot, my guy?
Because he's hot.
Do you think he's ugly?
Of course.
It might be time to make a video about how Ruslan hurt your feelings because he thinks you're ugly.
All right, I'm just playing.
But seriously, I mean, come on.
Like, what are we, 13 years old?
You know, there's a lot of people that might say it's a little SUS to be afraid to say that other dudes are hot.
Now, I wouldn't say that I found a course in Vargo.
Now I do find it a little funny because you know if I was.
OK, so no, OK, so this this is this is funny and I'm just I'm just having some fun with this dude.
OK, so 1.
I don't think it's it's just SUS.
I think it's gay to call another man hot.
I'm going to up to Andy, my brother.
I think it's gay to call another man hot.
There, I said it.
You can acknowledge that force is a good looking guy.
Like if I was trying to pay a compliment to someone, I said, man, you're a good looking guy.
I wouldn't say he's hot.
That's gay and maybe he's gay.
I don't know.
I don't know if his brother's gay.
I know he's you know, he's we'll get to his worldview here in a second.
Let's just think he's gay.
That's us.
It's flat out gay.
I don't think you should be calling another man hot, even if he is a tall, good looking, you know, 5 foot 10 1/2, dirty blonde, athletic build brother in Christ, I'm not calling him hot.
I think he's rather gay.
OK, now let me let me engage with with.
Now he he makes this point about some like right wing phrase that I've never even heard of because I I don't know.
I don't know if he thinks I'm in this pocket of people, but yeah.
A right wing like looks Maxer and I said Forrest Frank Moggs.
I I don't even know what that is.
Forrest Frank Moggs What does that mean?
Is that that that has to be like ex right wing lingo that like maybe is this what like the gropers say the the the the the the Fuentes crowd?
Is that what they say?
They that mogs.
So yeah.
So you're talking about stuff that I'm not even hip to right?
If I think of a man, a fellow brother in Christ, you know, is is a handsome brother.
I'm not calling him hot, though.
That's a hard line for me.
OK, but Mogs, I don't even know what that Max looking.
Matt, what is it?
Matt?
Matt.
Max.
These are things that are just over my head, OK?
You probably wouldn't have a problem with that.
No, I, I if it meant hot, I'd have a problem with that.
So it's like guys want to be able to call each other hot so bad they no.
No, no, I don't really want to call anybody hot at all.
Invented like new language.
To do it that you don't, you have to.
I mean, maybe folks on the far right like maybe folks in the grouper scene, but I think a lot of those guys are down low homosexuals themselves.
I think many of them are repressed gaze themselves, right?
So that's neither.
That's neither here nor there.
Say pause after all right, so I'm gonna hit.
OK, I gotta hit them.
Here it is.
That is homosexual, actually.
One time for my green.
OK, All right.
I'm just.
I'm having some fun here.
OK, relax.
All right.
And so the first thing I did was call him hot.
They they also forgot to include the part of the clip right before that where I say, hey, this video is not to hate on Forrest Frank, but I'm sure I must start hating somewhere soon.
Let's listen.
All right.
Praises God.
OK, so, so, so if you say, if you say, hey, Ruslan, this video is not to hate on you, but the title of the video is toxic gratitude.
Ruslan KD and you go, hey, just just so we're clear, this video is not to hate on Ruslan, but man, I think he just exhibits toxic gratitude.
I don't care what you're you're, you're you're trying.
I don't care how you're trying to soften the blow.
The accusation is Forrest Frank is engaging in toxic gratitude just because he says, oh, I'm not trying to, I'm not, I'm not trying to be mean to Forrest.
It doesn't matter your your conclusions is this.
I have I take issue with this thing about this brother in Christ.
I really like when this song comes across my feet because it's light and it's joyful and it reminds me of how important it is to be grateful and to have an attitude of gratitude.
But I think it's important to have a conversation about what gratitude should do to us when it's expressed and felt in a health OK.
What gratitude should do with us.
And this is what I mean by worldview.
Listen closely.
Healthy way versus how can actually be toxic.
OK, so apparently gratitude can be toxic and Forrest Frank is hot.
Anyways, where were we?
Making money in the Lord's service.
You don't say much for him, but when he do, it's to the point.
And I salute you for it, man.
Forrest, I I want.
To I don't know if that was like a little shot like that I'm making money in the Lord's service or he's making money in the Lord's service, or Forrest is making money.
I didn't get the meme.
I don't know who that was directed to, but that's fine.
Apologize because I, I genuinely didn't mean to hurt your feelings by calling you hot and saying that I really like when your song comes on and that it has a really positive message of, of gratitude.
All right, I'm going to put the jokes aside and get serious for a second.
When, when I made this video and I used Forrest song as an illustration, I wanted to be very careful to make sure that I, I wasn't just bashing on him.
I, I really, truly don't even know that much about him.
And that's why I made sure to make it very clear in the beginning of the video.
In fact, the reason I made the song was I, I was listening to it on my feed and enjoying it and I, I found myself really vibing with it.
Now, I did then proceed to share a reflection on how the nature of Christian gratitude should cause us to be in solidarity with the people on the other side of the systems that benefit us, the people.
So Forrest's gratitude just so we're I just want to make sure I'm on the same page.
So Forrest's gratitude should lead him to be in solidarity with the other people's the P, the marginalized people on the systems.
This is what I mean by worldview and it get it gets better.
Like this is the, I mean, he, this is completely amazingly well, well put together that he even goes on to say something that I've been saying and you guys like you're an alarmist.
You don't know what you're, it's not what's happening, right?
And he goes on to say the obvious part out loud.
So gratitude is only true gratitude when it causes you to stay to, to, to, to stand up for the marginalized.
Who's he talking about?
Well, the Transformers, the LGTV folks, the folks that want to do, you know, gay story time hour in the libraries with your kids.
And, and that all that the transfer is all that, that.
So so I got to stand with those people or my gratitude isn't real and you could say I'm sorry, I apologize as much of it, but that that that sounds like the conclusion of your video.
So if Forrest says, hey, I want to make music that honors God and comes from an overflow of gratitude, but your conclusion is gratitude should cause activism, mobilization.
We're going to go March.
We're right.
So completely incoherent.
In my opinion, gratitude should cause you to have gratitude.
Charity is an amazing Christian virtue, but no one's entitled to your charity.
We're commanded to be charitable as followers of Jesus because he's been so charitable and gracious with us.
So but it get it gets better or worse depending on how you look at it.
Were harmed by those systems.
Harmed by the systems.
Not going to rehash the whole video now, you can go check it out.
I think it stands on its own merit.
Now I want to go on record and say I would actually be shocked if Forest was responding to my video, but clearly I don't.
Think anyone said force was responding to your video?
I think the the slide that I reacted to was saying here are some examples of the type of videos that are hating on Forest.
And when you're opening with toxic gratitude on your video, yeah, that's probably going to rub him the wrong way.
I don't even know if you saw your video to be honest with you now.
That there have been multiple videos made by other creators linking me to directly to Forest video.
I feel like I, I do need to address it.
I do not want my platform on here to be about drama between individuals.
And, and I can see how you know, somebody like Forest may be scrolling through, maybe saw the beginning of my video and just maybe scrolled past it because he's tired of seeing people getting on and talking shit about him.
And so I do seriously want to apologize that, you know, hey, if if he saw that video and it caused him emotional distress and just added to the cacophony of voices that are often attacking him.
Hey, man, look, you know, I probably disagree with you about a lot of stuff and I probably agree with you about a lot of stuff.
But I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.
I don't want to ruin anyone's day or make somebody have the worst day at their job.
But I do think we need to be.
That's that's good.
But we're say something out of something you guys say, we're not measured by our intent.
We're measured by our impact.
So if the video is titled toxic gratitude and your opening line is, let's talk about Forrest.
He's hot, but I think he presents toxic gratitude because he doesn't fight the oppression, the oppressors of a system that's causing people who are filled in a blank to be marginalized.
Yeah, No.
Able to address content that other people put out that we think maybe needs something added to it, or sometimes even a correct.
Added to it or a correction?
My goodness.
Shouldn't to be made?
I mean, after all, isn't that what Forrest and Ruslan are both doing in their videos?
Critiquing me and other content creators?
Probably that.
No, not now.
I'm critiquing you.
You wanted a critique.
Now we're going to really critique you.
We're going to pick you apart.
They think are saying something that doesn't quite pass the muster for what's good and true.
I do think an important distinction though is in Forrest video where he confronts his haters he basically attacks them by calling them tools of Satan and in Ruslan's video he basically he calls me gay as if that would be an insult if I were.
I'm I'm standing by that one, my brother.
In my video, I went out of my way to try to make sure Forest ever saw it.
He would know I wasn't hating on him, that I thought he was cool, hot even, and I I liked his song.
Yeah, but, but, but but your, your, your hateful, petty approach of needing for is to be.
And again, there's a word coming that that, that, that, that, that shouldn't shock you.
But me that is the issue with this is you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're basking all of this in genuine platitudes.
And I'm such a nice guy.
I would never want to hurt anybody's feelings.
But the literal opening of the video is toxic gratitude force.
Frank, I don't care if you like the song or you think he's hot.
You're you're attacking something you think he's falling short in because you want him to be more of a political activist for your side.
And so I guess the reason I'm making this video isn't just to respond to those things, because I probably could have just ignored it, but I think we should be able.
To.
You should have ignored it.
Do that without it being, you know, drama or trying to flame another person.
I.
Don't think anybody was trying to flame you.
You're.
We were reacting to the macro conversation about haters in the Christian space attacking my friend Forrest Rink that I tend to be very defensive of.
OK, you could dislike it, but no one's trying to flame or attack you directly.
You said something.
You said he was hot.
I thought that was gay.
Let's move on.
And this isn't just a problem in Christian spaces online, it's and I exist in the leftist space as well, and we do quite a bit of that there too.
One of the things I've always appreciated about Marx was he talked about how at the end of the day, our true enemy isn't even the capitalist or the owners.
You can't, you can't make this up.
This dude literally goes from talking about toxic gratitude.
Toxic gratitude because force's gratitude doesn't cause political activization to go and attack the the systems that be in March with the marginalized and go and protest ice and stand with the the transferees and all the things because force gratitude doesn't lead him to that.
He's unironically quoting Marx.
So when I keep saying to you guys, Hey Marxism, it is a real ideology that is crept into every single way of life.
Often times good meaning.
Christians go to college and they get indoctrinated with this sort of stuff.
That is the absolute antithesis of a Christian worldview.
In the Christian worldview, there's no oppressor oppressed.
The the the people with power and the people without power.
In the Christian worldview, everyone is sinful and broken.
Those with power, those without power, those who are big, those who are small, those who are powerful, those who are weak.
Everyone is broken.
Everyone is messed up.
Everyone's the villain.
And Jesus steps into the human story and deals with the condition of humanity.
And then yes, reassesses some of those things and re reorients us to to not just might is right, but to also say, hey, the the the the the marginalized do need to be cared for, not by weaponizing government not not by saying your gratitude should lead to political activism and Marxism.
And communism and socialism and the state should take stuff from other people and give it to other people because Robin Hood was right.
Like, so he's, he's ironically quoting Marx to prevent possible misunderstanding a word.
I paint capital.
Let me tell you something.
I grew up under actual communism.
Marx got it very wrong.
He, he, he, he's very easy to assess real problems, very easy to assess real problems.
And Mark did assess some real problems, the disparities, the inequality, real problems.
But his prescriptions were awful.
And his prescriptions lead to the Soviet Union, which is where what I grew up under, to the slaughter of 10's and millions of people, 10's and millions of people, religion being completely robbed of my people, Armenian people, who are the oldest Christian nation in the world.
So let me tell you something.
I know you, you went, you know, to some whatever American progressive institution that told you that Marx is brilliant in all these.
Let me tell you something.
The downstream effects of communism is, is what we saw in the former Soviet Union.
It's what we see in North Korea.
It's what we're seeing in Venezuela.
So to unironically then quote, So this is what I mean.
Like, yes, bro, you may have had all the sweetest intents to say Forrest is such a hot guy and I really like his bops and Oh my gosh.
And then you're opening with toxic gratitude because he's not enough of a political activist and he needs to go March against ice or or not or not or say, Nah, I I'm not for 100% everything ice is doing.
However, I'm not going to go and March for ice against ice.
What?
OK, let's let him.
Let's let him enlighten us on how brilliant Karl Marx was.
Themselves, but the systems of capital.
Now, that doesn't mean you don't push back or even fight back when the people are using those systems to exploit and hurt people or to spread information that might be harmful or might lack some important nuance that needs to be added to it.
Now, to be honest, I didn't think Forrest would probably see that video.
The thought did cross my mind.
And I thought, you know, if he sees this, I want to make sure that he knows right up front that I'm not hating on him, that I'm not trying to do drama or make him feel bad, but that, you know, there's an idea here that I want to share that was inspired by his video.
And truthfully, I figured, hey, if he sees this, I bet he would find it helpful not just for him, but for his followers as well.
But I do actually.
Want no, no, we don't find it helpful to say that unless you go and are are marching for the marginalized according to you who are the marginalized that that that therefore your gratitude is toxic.
I don't think any Christian finds that helpful because gratitude should be gratitude based on a merit of how good God is.
Period.
Want to say to everybody watching, especially if you make content, that I think we should try to aim to attack ideas and when possible, not to attack other people as a good friend.
Agreed, I I love that and that's why I'm attacking your ideas and calling you a little gay and SUS in the process.
Mine on this app often says that we are trying to bring people home.
We're not trying to push people away.
Again, I'm not advocating softening your position.
I would never do that.
Thanks because I'm not backing down.
If you think someone is off, you should talk about it.
Anyways.
Look, I just want to say hey Forrest, if I hurt your feelings I genuinely am sorry.
I tried to avoid doing that but.
I'm listen to the apology.
I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt, not I'm sorry of the impact my video had and how I framed you as someone that has toxic charity because you don't align with my political causes and my Marxism.
No, no, no, no.
If that hurts your feelings, I'm sorry.
That's not a real you would never get away with this in an interpersonal relationship.
You would never say, hey, like I know that hurts you, but if it hurts you, like I'm sorry that hurts your feelings, That's that's not a genuine apology.
You know, whatever.
How do I think I enforce?
Hasn't even seen my video.
You probably talking about other people's videos.
Isn't it crazy how these apps make us think everything is about us?
OK, yes it is crazy.
So anyway, and again, if you go here and you see his thing, not friends here, we're all free and amateur, not a scholar colon.
And I think I thought I saw somewhere where it said XX vangelical, right.
And so most of his content is like kind of, I want to say a line to yeah, it's like it's like leftist, leftist, you know, propaganda type videos, right, dictate.
So it's like, hey man, if this is your angle, that's fine.
But then don't be upset when we call it for what it is.
Don't be upset when we call it and say, hey, yeah, like, yes, saying toxic forces pushing toxic charity because he doesn't come to the same like remove the whether they're even marginalized or not.
Remove whoever you're describing as marginalized and whoever you want him to speak out against.
Just a just a thought that if someone doesn't come to your downstream conclusions of what gratitude should be, that therefore it's toxic gratitude is just an asinine, incoherent position.
Respectfully so anyway.
And and you know, props to him for for all this.
I'd be curious where he lands theologically on this sort of stuff.
But you know, it's interesting conversations to say the least.
And Speaking of interesting conversations, to say the least, this is going to be a doozy.
Buckle in because we're, we're going to get into some, some kind of intense conversations, but I think it'll be some good result.
But before we do that, guys, I'm not sure if you know, but I'll be going on tour this spring doing a live podcast, a keynote introducing some new music.
It's starting in Houston March 21st and we're going over to Dallas, TX at the Echoes Lounge, then Chicago, April 10th.
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And then of course, we have the amazing Bless God Summit happening March 5th, 6th and 7th here in Oceanside, CA.
I can't wait to be with some of you guys live.
OK, let's pivot to this next conversation.
All right, so there is a, there's a guest that I recently had on about a year and a half ago that I really enjoyed their takes on post millennialism.
Now, if you guys know who post millennialism is, post millennialism is the view that the world is going to get drastically better.
Revival is going to break up and break out and then Jesus is going to come out.
So there's premillennialism, which is like what most people hold to is amillennialism, which is Jesus is on the throne in the spiritual sense.
And then there's post millennialism where like God is going to usher in greatness and renewal and revival, and then Jesus is going to come back.
Now the interesting part is the the people that kind of hold to post millennialism, just some solid post millennial friends of mine.
Like I want to say Mike Jones holds to post millennialism, My man Ivy Connolly host to post millennialism.
But a lot of folks who hold to that kind of lean into the hyper charismatic 7 mountain mandate or they go really deep into the reform crowd with some of the Doug Wilson type type beat, right?
Doug Wilson, James White.
This goes even further than that with a pastor I had on named Joe Webbin and Joe Webbin put out a a pretty wild take in my opinion.
But have No Fear.
We are going to be getting together in person I believe next week.
We're trying to figure out all the details to have an in person conversation about this.
Now.
Someone responded to him and asked him a question and maybe this is triggering for some of you really shouldn't be.
It's not triggering for me.
I'm in a in in this sort of situation.
Someone asked him, Lizzie asked him, are you for or against interracial marriage?
Are you for or against interracial marriage?
And here is Joe Webb and lengthy response and he this is a this is someone that I've had on that in the middle of the conversation.
I thought it was very fruitful conversation, but then I found out some some kind of interesting stuff towards the end of that conversation.
He says the average Christian woman on social media is retarded.
So the opening is because she asked him this question, the opening is she's retarded.
Now did he need to say this as a pastor?
I don't think so, he says.
I don't mean to be rude, but this is a lesson from the general public that this is simply too valuable to pass up on.
1st, I will truthfully and plainly answer the woman's questions without apology.
I am against interracial marriage.
OK, He is against interracial marriage.
This is to say, I believe interracial marriage generally goes against God's normative design for humanity, nations, and cultures.
So interracial marriage is generally against God's design for that.
Then he goes on to give this the big elusive breakdown of allowing me to demonstrate by the question so stupid and providing a line of actual good questioning that would produce far more clarity.
This, in my opinion, just kind of sounds like dish galloping.
Beginning with the women's vague and ambiguous question.
Are you for or against?
If against, do you believe interracial marriage is a sin?
If a sin, do you believe the act of entering an interracial marriage is a one time sin or does it place the individual in a state of ongoing consensual sin?
If a sin, do you believe interracial marriage should be categorized as a crime?
If a crime, what penalty do you believe?
Like this just escalated really fast, right?
For the magistrate to inflict upon the criminal in this Christian nationalism framework, they want to have a Christian leadership and governance and crimes and all that sort of stuff.
So in other words, there's a million ways of this is this was just so he could have just answered this in, in, in, in, in.
In other words, there is 1,000,000 miles of distance between being against interracial marriage and capital punishment being the just penalty for those who enter into an interracial marriage.
That's fine that that that's fine.
But that's not, that wasn't the question, right.
The majority of Christian nationalists that have partnered with would answer yes to the first question that they're against interracial marriage and no to the second question.
So they don't, they believe it's a they're against it, but they don't believe it's a sin.
OK, to the following questions.
I personally fall into the category, believe it or not, Nick Fuentes.
So now when I, when I, when I talk about this sort of stuff and you guys go, what is what is, why are you keep attacking influentes?
Well, because there's now pastors, online pastors I'm friendly with that have now succumb to the race realism and the brain rot of a single 2829 year old dude that, you know, very confused on his sexuality.
And they're they're not, they're not, they're now aligning themselves to the same sort of ideology.
OK, also falls in this category, as he said so many times publicly.
OK, so interracial marriage is not a sin, but it's unnatural.
That's the conclusion that they're coming to.
It's not a sin, but it's a natural.
Some of the Christian nationalists that are partnered with would answer yes to the first two questions, but no to the following questions.
So it's they're against it, but it's not a sin but you know you they're against it.
It is a sin, but you keep you don't stay in a perpetual state of sin.
In regards to answering yes to the second question, these individuals would say the act of entering into an interracial measures one time sin but does not place an individual in a state of ongoing continual sin.
I personally disagree with these individuals, but I'm not ashamed to call them my brothers in Christ.
I believe they are wrong in this specific question, but there's no legitimate witness from scripture, 2000 years of church history that would condemn their position as a heresy and therefore the individual whole such position be accepted as Christ.
Thank you for standing for attending my brief lecture on in how we think reasonably as a Christian and why women, even Christian women, are generally incapable of doing so.
To say that something is not a sin but is not unnatural.
Generally speaking, I think it's just an incoherent position.
And that leads us to me going on, I think to Joe Webb and's channel next week to have a conversation about this exact topic, right.
And there's been a ton of people that that responded to it.
He says she slanders him.
And my response was just quite quite simply what happened to you because it does seem like the the Nick Fuentes modern ex view of the far right that now this is like this is an incoherent position, but that's the answer there.
James White even chimed in on this, which is interesting.
He says your your your ability to avoid your own words and it is purposeful.
I know is becoming legendary.
You did it with silence Jew and now you're doing it with the average Christian woman on social media is retarded.
Of course, playing the victim card at the same time, priceless, just like Visa and just as worthless.
Joel.
Just do what you want to do.
Get out of the ministry, stop LAR Ping and go become Nick's sidekick, maybe even become VP someday.
So this is James White responding to it.
And so I just simply responded, what is wrong with you?
He then invited me on to his channel to discuss and I said, you know, cover my expenses and I'm there.
And so I think I'm going to go there and have this conversation in person because I think it's asinine position.
I think it's an incoherent position.
I think this is much more so when you, when you see stuff on the far left of like Marxism and all this sort of stuff creeping in.
And then people have these affinities towards what I would call flat out incoherent positions that that that claim to be Christians.
I think you're seeing the same sort of stuff creep in on the far right.
You're seeing the same sort of race realism, pseudoscience, nonsensical view of race hierarchies, and then reverse engineering scriptures.
And you're trying to fit Ezra into this and you're trying to fit this into this, but you're saying it's not a sin, but it's unnatural.
OK.
So I'm excited.
I'm excited to have this conversation where it's going to be in person.
I believe it's going to be next Thursday.
They're going to cover my travel.
I covered Joe's travel here.
So I said, hey, man, you cover my travel, take care of my expenses just like I take care of yours.
I would love to have this conversation because I'm personally, I'm sick of these views creeping into the church.
And you guys, you guys kept telling me the reason why do you keep engaging with Nick Fuentes?
Why do you keep in Beijing with the woke right?
You're getting too political.
No friends, the political actors, the political woke right, the the the the political far right extremist in my opinion have now slid in to the church.
And this is someone that a year and a half ago came to my home, sat down with me, knew my wife was black, knew my kids were mixed, had no issues, had no problems, didn't think it was a natural.
Then there's videos of him railing against the Hebrew Israelites and now basically taking their same position against interracial marriage.
I don't, I don't, I don't know, I, I don't know what to say about this.
Besides, it sure does seem like the, the, the woke right, the far right have have completely gone off the rails.
And the thing that that many of us were like, man, we, we align politically as followers of Jesus with much of the policies on the right.
But it sure does seem like y'all start back doing some weird stuff.
It sure does seem like all the sudden we go from Hey, man, protect the babies and and people should be able to protect themselves with with firearms to full on.
Oh, and interracial marriage is unnatural.
How do you make that logical conclusion?
Right?
How how do you do that?
And I think that's the that's the sad part is it slides into a lot of the pseudoscience, a lot of this race realism, a lot of this black people are standard deviation stupider than white people.
And it it it's it's antithetical to what we see in scripture, which is identity in Christ as the top priority identity in Christ as the the the the thing that that we're examining ourselves by not ethno nation, you know, race and that that that it's now crept into the church.
So for those of you guys to see Russon, why are you getting political?
Russon Why?
This is why.
This is why, because I think people unfor good people.
I think Joe Webb and meant well and good people are now getting radicalized.
He and just like the gropers have an entire following online and they're engaged and and and and and that has downstream effects in terms of how people are perceiving fellow image bearers, in my opinion, my humble opinion.
So we're going to be having that conversation.
I'm excited and we'll, we'll be, we'll be talking hopefully in person and see how that goes, You know, and, and Joe's a is a very skilled and, and, and talented debater and, and communicator.
And so, yeah, I think that's going to be next Thursday.
So keep me in prayer for that.
I'm excited to be traveling out there and hanging out with them and trying to get to the bottom of this sort of stuff.
Because I think the same stuff again, we've seen on the left, we're now seeing on the right.
And it's just stuff that's that's creeping in, that's antithetical to, to the gospel, antithetical to there's neither Jew nor Greek antithetical that yo, we're all created in the image of God.
And the, the, the most important thing that Scripture condemns is marriage between non believers and believers.
That's a pretty consistent narrative of Scripture, right?
Non believers and believers being unequally yoked.
That's the benchmark.
Not, you know, hey, two people grow up with the same worldview in the same city, going to the same type of church, from the same type of family background, with the same framework of what they're dealing with.
And they might be of different races.
Oh, that's unnatural.
Interracial people have been here for a very long time.
I'm I'm people don't notice about me.
I'm white, but I'm technically interracial or ethnically different in the sense of I'm, I'm Armenian, meaning my father's Armenian.
My mother was adopted by an Armenian family, but my mom is a white or Russian or Ukrainian.
And so I grew up technically being viewed as the, the, the mixed kid within Armenian circles because I don't look as Armenian.
So it's like, is what right.
That, that, that that's the, that's the conclusion of this.
And, and, but, but again, from an American standpoint, from a Western standpoint, it would be like, oh, you're white, you're white, your race is white, but you go deeper into ethnic identity and you go, wait a minute.
No, it's, it's actually way more complicated than that.
So those lines and those fuzzy edges are very, very weird.
So anyway, excited to be talking to Joel Webman.
We'll get this sorted out and I'll be over there, I think next Thursday.
So no, no, no show next Thursday.
All right guys, I'm going to get out of here.
I appreciate you guys tuning in.
Thank you so much.
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The Seabird Resort is right in front of me and it is going to be amazing.
We have myself, Ruslan, KD, we have W Huff as our keynote for night one.
We have KB and Amin from Southside, Rabbi Josh Nado, Dustin Tovella, America's Got Talent winner, and we just confirmed the legendary indie tribe doing a live performance as well as as Gavin Ortland, Dr.
Sean McDowell, and there's more to be announced.
I see you guys in the comments.
I see you engaging.
I appreciate the support, but we need some of you to come off of the comments and come join us in person at the Bless God Summit.
Go to blessgodsummit.com, save some money, and get yourself out here March 5th, 6th and 7th.
I decided to just come not really knowing what to expect and man I'm so.
Glad that I did.
You don't expect it to be so intimate.
And so like the the group of people that was there, I think it was great.
We were able to see people who are truly seeking God.
We got to see a ton of people who are special and we'll call it in the industry.
One of our major takeaways has just been how God blesses in you being faithful.
A lot of Christians just want to chase after success instead of chasing faithfulness.
I think it's just been really effective how like everybody has been teaching you how they've been able to like follow Jesus and make disciples as they're going.
It's a really classy summit.
I am just very impressed with the quality and the structure and just a very classy, very nice.
Much as like we can get so much from online content, there's a huge difference between being here.
None of these people are egotistical.
They'll shake hands with.
You why did the sponsorship back in November and just left it in God's hands and then just prepared myself if He allowed it, that I would be here.
Here I am.
People that you're going to meet are amazing.
You're going to meet friends here and you're also going to be edified.
Honestly amazed at the diversity and the and the need.
It's a super fun time, so you guys are not going to want to miss out.
