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He laid it on the counter to Lenny, how you like that scount book that baby?

It's a rifle actor wrestler, right, it's noisy, just a special one that baby special did right?

It looked like a regular hunt gun which site with thing along boul what I said, looking like one of the old Brown and gun.

That's what I always said, because I guess Ramanton Brown is about that.

I would know, but uh I didn't touch it, and I don't know who I didn't because it was on the counter there and land right in front of me.

Did you look like it's a new gun?

Was it new?

It was branded?

Right, said?

Looked like it hadn't never been It wasn't hadn't been abet at all been fired.

Looked like I did have a scope on it, I think, I said, had a scope on top.

It did have a scope.

It was brown it was nice.

What I guess you's macall and woodwork.

It was a good looking made a lot of noise.

Yeah, it didn't make a lot of noise.

It didn't look like the type of going to do that, all right.

It's a strange looking, all right, But it made a tremendous noise every time he would shoot it down in that gun, right down.

Oh, this is his first time.

I saw him that day and that day only that he shot that right and he started all day.

He spent time with it all that day.

I called the Union Hall.

I said, a matter of life and death.

I said, I think these peoples are planning to kill Dr King.

The authorities parade.

Oh, we found a gun the James l.

Ray bought in Birmingham that killed Dr King.

Except it wasn't the gun that killed Dr King.

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Vay was a paw or The official story from My Heart Radio and Tenderfoot TV.

The plan was to get King to the city because they wanted it handled in Memphis.

Were dead in named Cat Hammond.

I'm Bill Claibourg and this is the MLK tapes.

Lenny Curtis was a black custodian at the Memphis Police firing range in April of night he witnessed several disturbing things that the King was shot, and in the days leading up to it, afraid for his family.

He kept those events to himself for over thirty years, but Curtis did tell a friend of his who contacted Bill Pepper.

Pepper convinced the friend to at least let him speak to Curtis.

Lenny told me the story, and then I convinced Lenny to go under oath in a deposition and be filmed and tell the story, but in front of Mark M.

King the third, and he did all of that.

The deal was that I would not reveal what he said whilst she was alive.

The Curtis deposition was recorded in April of two thousand and three, but the tape itself remained in the custody of Bill Pepper, as per his agreement with Lenny Curtis.

Also in attendance was Martin King the third, an attorney Louis Garrison, who would ask many of the questions as well.

Hear now back in miss Curtis, you were employed by the Memphis Police Department, and at that time you were working at the firing range cost out.

Okay, but four April fourth, nineteen sixtight, you knew I have an officer there whose name was Earl Clark and my corrector, Captain Cloud.

Yes.

And also there was an aufer named Frank Strausser is that he was a patrol Now, MS courtis just tell us before April four some things you had heard from both of those sources about Dr King's present here in Memphis.

Here, Uh Mrs Strailer said that somebody I was gonna blow his I don't say it, blow his mother fucking brains out.

Okay.

We had set two TVs in which we call a lounge in a lounge area, and that they had reserve police officers which was rookie police.

You know they didn't you know, you could tell.

So they was in uniform waiting on a standby and they would listen to looking at the TV.

And uh Mrs Straiser came in and stood up, stopping the lounge while TV was on, and he made the statement that oh he'd get a fucking brain blow it out.

And he went on down into the area where the gun room room down on the basement.

And that's what the first gave me.

I started thinking because we were in the area where he couldn't see us, and we were in the kitchen, in the cook area of the lounge.

He couldn't see us.

So I told James, and not just saying anything.

So we just do it, and we talked about it, and I told Jane, I said, so, I don't feel good about that because he was shooting that gun all that day.

When Curtis refers to the gun that Frank Strausser was shooting at the range as that gun, he was talking about a particular rifle, the special Baby with a polished wood stock, that had been shown to him just a few days before by a close friend of Strousser's, a fireman named Roy Young.

And when Curtis was asked to describe what he saw or heard on the day King was killed, it went right back to Frank Strausser and that gun.

He was shooting the gun all day.

But when he came up, it was during the time that we was getting ready to leave and we were in the same location.

We were doing lunch.

I mean about what time the day was, would you say?

That was about three o'clock?

Okay, So we were cleaning up and here he'd come up out of the thing with the rifle, that same rifle, like the same rifle to me, what do you do?

He went to Mr young car.

He had a voice wagon.

Mrs Streis did but he left and Mr Young's car that date ruffles, however, and then he turned to what I said, fire because he had a white T shirt on, blue pants and put a pair of dog sunglass on.

When he left, the top back all right.

And then you saw him leave, said he got in the car and pool law.

When he left, I wait until he got out of the drive and I went across the street to the Board of Education.

I had only a two phone called fair.

I called the Union Hall, talked to them later.

It was a reception there.

The young lady I spoke to.

I told her, I said this is something very important and she said what is it to I said, it's a matter of life and death, and she said, what fool's life?

And what you know?

I said, I think these people are planning to kill Dr King?

And I said I wanted to talk to Reverend Smith.

She said what he probably with Dr King?

I said, no way, ma'am, you could get in touch with him.

She says, not not at this time.

Sir, so I called Dr Vasco Smith.

I let his phone rang for I don't know how long.

No one never answered.

I don't guess nobody was there.

So I had no more money.

I went back to the police problem across the street and I sat over there for a while.

Then I left him, going home.

And when I got home, my wife and I was in the kitchen and it came over radio, and it just knocked me down.

And I have lived with it so long as the fact that I thought, I said, well, now, am I not honly somebody that could have helped?

And I did all I could, and I could I think about moving?

Or am I safe here?

And and you know I've been to a thing with this thing with me and my seron and they they scared for me, you know, it's scared for me.

But the Lord told me and not the word I wanted to tell this here.

I've been wanting to tell it all my lions.

But Curtis's worries didn't stop when King was killed.

They increased because Frank Strousser seemed to think that Lenny Curtis had seemed too much and had put the pieces together that he knew what Strausser had done.

He was aware that Lenny saw everything that was going on.

I knew everything that was going on, so he definitely intimidated Lenny.

For quite a period of time.

Curtis tried to stay out of the way whenever Frank Strouser came around, but he could feel Strousser looking at him.

Some months after the King killing, after he hadn't said a word to Curtis since the murder, Strausser approached Curtis and asked him to come with him on an errand Curtis felt an immediate fear.

He said, I think he contacts you one day and sq back riding down to pick up the pay roll.

That was surprising to me.

Coach you before said nothing to me.

They had never even spoken to you before other than just remark you heard.

And my mind told me to go, okay, what do you say?

Remember said LENNI said, you got your boy caught up?

And I just said you.

He said, uh, you wanna write down with me to pick up a check?

And I went and I knew what he was gonna ask me, but I didn't know where he was gonna ask me.

We we went and got in the car, Yeah, it's going on.

I was looking at it.

He put his hand on his gun.

He didn't put his hand on it.

He didn't touch it because I was watching it.

Yeah, but just two I get in the car too.

It was in the car, thank you, said he was.

Mary asked me when I'm mayor?

Then who We got down by the Popular in the North Parkway.

He turned and went through the wood area.

Why the oo, you know?

And I'm one.

Of course, we're own Poplar.

All we gotta do.

Go straight down to the deal High.

When we got around them, cured while you get deep the grass, He's said, let it.

What are you thinking about that guy Ray killing king things like that?

I saw all he did.

I said, it's no doubt about it.

You know.

I had to say that.

I said, no, no doubt about it.

I said, I know he did it.

Everybody know he did it.

Talking about Mr Ray.

And then they asked me, said you're still doing privor detective word now I was insecured, doing secure the guards.

I said year.

He said, you're still working with those lbis and periodic.

I had some couple of FBI that would bring me, won't it posts I said, yeah, I said, periodic I we worked together, and he told me, he said, let him, you'd be careful him.

But Frank Strousser always seemed to feel that Lenny Curtis was a danger to him and to him, and again Strosser would stalk Curtis, either to frighten him or possibly worse.

Strange thing was happening to me at one time, and with the own box says, somebody turned my gas off and turned it back home.

But it was in one of time, and I got cold and woke up and smelled to gad.

And so that next week I noticed a car sitting across the street.

It was a Lincoln, or I was a Lincoln, and I was looking at I said that I was a car that don't supposed to be there before I come out.

I always do that in the morning, because, like I said, I was scared.

At one time, I was really scared.

So I noticed the cobs there of the car, and I looked at the real careful and kept looking at.

I saw a head moved, and I said, So by that time I went back into in the house.

I got my pistol and I loaded it, put it in my pocket, and like I normally do.

I would go out and stop my car later on this time something that Lulow I told me.

He told me he said, when you get ready to go, go, don't warm your motor up or nothing.

So I got him a car and turn in this and took off without even turn my lights on.

And just as I went to pull out, he pulled out and it was him Strousser.

And at that particular time they were they were doing Christmas time.

They were saying something about they had new evidence.

Every time they come up with new eleness, he would pop up some kind of way as something.

In recounting the day King was killed, Curtis gave an interesting description of the way Strauser looked as he left the firing range.

Curtis said, quote, he turned into what I said was a fireman, referring to Strouser in the informal dress of a fireman, complete with white T shirt, ruffled hair, and sunglasses.

He also left in a fireman's car.

I asked Bill Pepper about this.

He was driving Roy Young's car.

Ry Young's had privileges at the fire station number two, so he was able to park the car there, and he did change his his physical appearance yes he did, and since the fire station erupted like a beehive as soon as King was shot, being dressed like a fireman wouldn't be a bad way to blend in and then disappear, if that's what happened.

Once Bill Pepper heard Lenny Curtis's testimony, he naturally began to look at Frank Strausser, though he had to be cautious because sudden interest would put Curtis in danger, something Pepper had promised not to do.

Pepper found out that Strausser was new to the Memphis Police force at the time of the King killing, having recently returned from Vietnam, where he had been wounded and lost her brother.

Pepper also found a cop who had briefly served as Strousser's partner in a squad car.

He told Pepper that Strausser was out of control, acting as though he was untouchable, with numerous abuses of power, like when he went into a black bar screaming nword this and nword that, and emptied his pistol into the jukebox.

Pepper also ran across a reference to Strausser in It Came from Memphis, a book by Robert Gordon about the music scene in the sixties.

Gordon described Strousser as a brawler recently back from Nam, quoting here, he got wired on his own adrenaline in the Vietnam jungle, and the chill rush of danger in his lower backbone had become as necessary to him as air going in and out of his lungs.

Upon returning to Memphis, he'd become a cop, the paramilitary uniform and the weapon sort of a methodon.

The book would go on to describe how Strausser would muscle in on the pimps and dope dealers working Beal Street, and how after hours he would team up with a friend and go to bars looking for people to beat up.

For most people, such a character reference might be enough to just stay clear of the man, But when Lenny Curtis died in Bill Pepper decided to find Strausser and talk to him.

I didn't necessarily expect that I would get anything out of it, but I thought I would be remiss if I didn't try to have some conversation with this guy.

I saw him where he was living.

I just went out there one day.

He was doing his laundry, and then he came out to see me, and I introduced myself to him, and I said, I'd like to talk to you at some some point.

You were an officer at the time of the killing, and I'd like to I'd like to know what you what you believe happened, and so forth.

Then I invited him to have lunch with me, and I offered him five hundred dollars if he would sit down a restaurant have lunch with me, which he did.

So Bill Pepper decided to have lunch with the man he believed killed, Martin Luther king Strouser, in his seventies, was driving a cab to support himself, and five dollars seemed like good pay for an hour work, so he said yes, and a date was set for the dining room of the Peabody Hotel in Memphis.

Pepper then called his court reporter, Brian Dominsky.

Bill asked that that I have him wired for sound, and we did a rudimentary attempt at that recorder in his pocket.

Besides the recorder, it was also thought a good idea if Pepper had additional people in the room, so Dominski and an associate were already at a nearby table when Strousser and Pepper sat down at the Peabody, unbeknownst to Strousser, we were sitting one table away.

But Bill welcomed him and they sat down and they had about a forty five minute chat about what life was like in in Memphis.

But the small device that Bill had in his pocket wasn't up to the task.

Given the normal noise of a dining room, what it recorded was barely decipherable.

Dominski, however, was able to produce a transcript parts of which voice actors will perform for us right after the break, m how are you, Frank?

How are you doing?

You all right?

Yeah?

Well, I did something in my back, so I'm not really all right.

Bill Pepper rises awkwardly from his chair to greet Frank Strousser, who notices his pain.

Pepper says that he did something to his back, referring to something that was done to his back decades earlier.

Pepper then Hans Strousser an envelope with five Strousser nods, puts it in his pocket and takes his seat.

Once settled, it is Strausser who asked the first question, So what's on your agenda?

You write in a book.

Yeah, I've written too on this case.

This is gonna be the final one, so I'm trying to cover all the bases.

I'm gonna go through a lot of stuff with you and take some notes if I may.

And I want to first ask your recollection of what things were like around the time this went on, this killing.

Sure, let's start with what you recall in the police department and what the atmosphere was like around the time of the assassination.

Okay, the department at that time was an old school police department.

There was before we started hiring for quotas and everything.

So most of the officers were a dying breed.

They were dinosaurs.

Basically an all white force, very few blacks, so it was a very tight knit group of men.

Now Halliman came in, when was that?

What was your impression of him?

Harmon came in somewhere around January.

I didn't have that much to do with him.

Those FBI guys pretty much stay with their own.

He was in a street coup.

Yeah, he was with Hoover for a number of years.

What was the attitude toward Martin King, I mean amongst the police, I don't think they had any liking for him.

The sanitation workers went on strike and then we monitored them, rode with them when they marched.

The police officers were just doing their job.

So what was the atmosphere in the city were outside the police force in terms of was it explosive?

Was it ready to know?

Not?

Really?

What did that?

What changed the whole thing?

Was you mean the assassination or the assassination sanitation workers going out.

Prior to that, there weren't demonstrations, and then after the assassination, the blacks and everybody come downtown, thieves, pickpockets.

They ruined it, the rioters, whoever you want.

Before then, everyone came to town to shop, and after nobody came.

So I think prior to that the relationship was much better.

Since then, Memphis has evolved into a racially charged city.

Frank Strausser starts his history of Memphis by referring to the police at the time of the king killing as dinosaurs, as if he has somehow moved on, But then he candidly puts himself back among them as he reveals his belief that it was the blacks who ruined the city.

Things were much better before the sanitation workers got all stirred up about a union.

Of course, the city might have saved itself a lot of trouble had they just paid their garbageman a living wage.

But Pepper doesn't argue because he is pleased with the conversation.

He had been half expecting Strousser to take the money and then become hostile or uncooperative.

Pepper wants to keep the words coming, so he steers the conversation to something they had in common.

From what I know about you, you've had an interesting career because you were in the military.

Correct in Vietnam.

That was in Vietnam and I got I got hit pretty good.

What a year that's when I was there.

Really were you military?

No?

No, I was a journalist, went there in the spring of sixty six and took myself out to the Central Islands.

I was in a C one thirty and we were landing in Plaku and they hit us.

Going in plane made a very bad rough landing and it started my back problems then.

But those things happen.

Those things happen.

But you must have seen rough action.

How was that?

A couple of good ones.

I ended up in the hospital in Osaka, needed skin grass.

My brother wasn't so lucky.

He died there.

M hm.

I'm sorry to hear that, younger brother, two years younger.

I understand that you were given some serious award, the Army Commendation Medal for valor.

But they gave it to you at the police roll call.

Isn't that unusual?

It was good pr The conversation so far had gone better than Bill Pepper could have expected.

Frank Strauser was calm and willing to talk about what things were like in Memphis back in the day, but that's all he had signed on to do.

He hadn't agreed to talk about the murder of Dr.

King, and Pepper didn't expect to get Strousser to fess up to anything or rat out anybody.

But he also didn't want to squander at the opportunity to poke a ound.

Do you remember where you were when King was shot?

Uh?

Yeah, I was at home.

I wasn't home.

I had had been at home.

I forget what time he got killed.

He got killed about six o'clock in the afternoon, because I was I think I was working seven to seven.

I know I was working seven to seven, so I was on my way to work because I heard it on the radio that he had been assassinated, and I was on my way to the precinct down at headquarters to go to work.

Do you remember hearing it on the radio driving to work?

Yes, driving to work.

Then I'll hell broke loose.

I guess what happened.

The riots broke out downtown.

There was so much going on that I went on twelve hour shifts probably for the next six weeks.

Pepper, of course, is quite certain that Frank Strausser was not at home or in his car when King was killed, but Strouser is disarmingly relaxed about it all.

So Pepper decides to lay a few more cards on the table.

Do you know what I've done?

Who I am?

I have no idea.

I was James Earl Ray's lawyer from until he died.

Oh okay.

I only took him on after I spent ten years convincing myself that he wasn't guilty of the crime.

I tried desperately to get him a trial.

I failed.

Banham locked up all the way.

Family knew Martin Luther King the last year of his life.

After he was killed, I just walked away from it all.

Politics and everything.

Then in seventy seven, Abernathy called and asked me to question Ry in prison.

I said, what are you talking about?

They got the right guy.

But six months later I spent five hours with James Earl Ray and it was clear to me that he wasn't the shooter.

The family asked me to look into it further.

I want to know what happened to have closure.

Strousser at first isn't sure how to respond to this.

He stumbles just a touch and ends up by denying that he had ever anything to do with James ol Ray.

Bill Pepper had never suggested it.

Do you know, if you have children, you know you want to find out who did it.

I'm just, I'm just I had no dealings with James Earl Ray, never saw him.

So Pepper tells Strausser that he knows he didn't know James ol Ray.

It was an easy call because no one in Memphis knew James el Ray.

Strousser then follows with a remarkable opinion as to why the case against Ray doesn't make much sense.

I'll just say this much, and I have a profound belief in this.

I don't think James el Ray could have put all this together.

You're right about that.

Now where it goes from there?

Bill, I don't know.

I could be totally incorrect.

But with the kind of criminal background he had, this guy was, you know, he was a petty criminal.

How can a guy like this I don't think I ever had this thought before.

Why would he want to kill Martin Luther King?

Yes, there's no motive.

He's a black leader and you're a James are array over here?

What's the reason for killing exactly?

I mean to drift into Memphis and to suddenly have access to a room across the street and a rival, and then to drop the rival in a bag or a mattress or wrapped up in something.

Give me right, he didn't do it.

There must have been other people involved.

One of the things I enjoy while trying to unravel this mystery is that people who are likely neck deep in the murder don't seek refuge in the official story of how the King killing went down.

You heard similar stuff from Lloyd Jowers when he spoke to Andrew Young and Dexter King.

Oh Ray couldn't have done all this, not in a million years.

The official story is so weak.

The framing of Ray so obvious that even the beneficiaries of this story run away from it.

So Strouser thinks there were other people involved.

But who Pepper has an idea too.

The thing is as hard as I've looked, I never found any indication that the CIA or the agency was involved in the killing of Martin King.

I have found strong indications that the FBI was involved, and that Hoover was involved.

Hoover hated King, hated him.

He used Clyde Toulson, his number two, to come in here, bring money and set it up through the Dixie Mafia.

So even lowly patrolman understood at the time that j Edgar Hoover hated Martin Luther King.

Not a great character reference for the man who was ultimately put in charge of the murder investigation.

But Pepper's mention of the Dixie Mafia brings forth an unexpected confession from Strousser.

Years ago.

There was this article in the press, Simitar about people who had some connection to the Dixie Mafia, and my name was in there.

You could have sued him, you could have.

No.

To be quite candid, I guess they got it right because I had not been involved directly.

But I had known some pretty questionable characters, you know, from the Dixie Mafia to the actual mafia, and it was well now that I was in a lot of activity with people who were involved in that sort of livelihood.

Frank Strousser has just admitted that over the years he had engaged in a lot of activity with some pretty questionable characters, and Pepper thinks this might be the time disturb the pot.

He tells Strouser that after the murder, the Memphis police made a plaster cast of a fresh footprint in the yard behind Jours Place.

This is true, a size thirteen footprint, and that's significant because not that many men have a size thirteen hoof.

So Pepper then asked Strousser the size of his shoe, and years later he told me what he saw on Strousser's face, and he said thirteen and a half with a little grin on his face.

He was telling me something, wasn't he.

Pepper may have gotten a grin from Strousser, but if he thought he'd get more of a reaction and he was wrong.

So Pepper decided to try something else.

He told Strousser that as Jowers near death, he had named him as the shooter.

This was not true.

Jowers had done no such thing.

He had named Captain Clark and by extension, himself as being out in the yard, but he never named Strousser, and Pepper believes that this was because he was afraid of Strousser, who, unlike Clark, was still very much alive.

So in search of the truth, Bill Pepper tells the following lie.

Well, Frank, let me raise something that I've got to raise with you.

First of all, I appreciate your candor thank you for that and for your time.

As you may know, I represented the King family here in Memphis, and we sued Lloyd Jowers for wrongful death and the King killing.

There was a civil trial thirty days and seventy witnesses.

The jury came back in fifty nine minutes and found for the family against hours.

Jowers, as you know, is dead.

Maybe he didn't know, Yeah he did, but it wasn't just the jury.

Before he died, Jowers admitted to myself, Andrew Young and Dexter King.

He admitted his involvement in the assassination.

He did, Yes, he admitted it.

Betty Spates had nailed him because she was at the back door in the kitchen when he brought the rifle in.

After the shooting, Jowers had the rifle.

Jowers brought the rifle in, but before he died.

Hold on yourself.

He named you as the assassin.

He did that, Yes, he named you.

Why he did this, I don't know.

And I found Jowers to be a liar on a lot of things, but he did.

He named you.

This surprised me because for a long time I thought Clark was the shooter.

Clark was a hell of a shot, and he lied about where he was that afternoon, there was no longer a grin on Frank Strouser's face.

Earl Clark was a good friend of mine.

He had strong feelings about certain things.

Was he a good shot?

Oh yeah, and you are a hell of a shooter from what I understand, I'm a dead shot.

I was then, certainly not now.

But I don't have any idea why Jowers would do that.

If the purpose of the lie about being named by Jowers was to Jossel Strausser into a revealing emotional response, it would appear to be a failure.

Strousser doesn't get upset or angry over the accusation, he just acts perplexed.

But then Pepper tells Strousser that for a good while he had thought Captain Clark was a shooter.

Strousser's response is, Earl Clark was a good friend of mine.

He had strong feelings about certain things.

These two sentences are the most real things.

Strausser says.

The entire afternoon he had strong feelings about certain things might be seen as Strousser's inter justification for Clark's roll in the murder.

And Earl Clark was a good friend of mine appears to put Strousser right next to Clark in the yard facing the Lorraine Motel.

How do we come to that?

According to the literature, a proper sniper team has a spotter and a shooter.

The shooter has a site on the target at all times, but the spotter takes a wider view of what's going on around the target.

Each man needs to know the other well down to how he sounds when he's breathing, and it's the spotter who is in charge who gives the command to shoot.

If Jowers primary function is to provide the yard and take the gun and hide it.

And we say for the moment that Clark is the spotter.

Who might we imagine the shooter to be first, it would have to be someone who was an excellent shot.

Then you would need someone who was tight with Captain Clark, and someone who shoots guns regularly with Clark, say at the police firing range.

And this is why Earl Clark was a good friend of mine.

Is a tell because Strousser was the perfect fit for Clark.

Plus, according to Lenny Curtis, Strausser was the one shooting a special rifle all morning and into the afternoon on the day King was killed.

Does Curtis has sworn testimony prove that Frank Strousser was out in the yard facing Lorraine that day?

No, it doesn't, but it does point in that direction.

So from what we've been able to piece together, it appears that Jowers, Clark, and perhaps Strouser you've heard the evidence, you can decide for yourselves, were in the yard facing Lorraine and one of them fired the shot that killed King.

If that is true, have we solved the case?

Not hardly, Because no matter how knowing and willing, the men in the yard were and how knowing and willing were those who put them there.

They were all just pawns in this game.

To solve this crime, we need to know who planned the murder and who helped look the other way or went along for the ride.

Next time on the MLK tapes he was for McCarthy ass right wing vision of America.

Mr Hunt looked over and he says, John, I've just about had a beneful of the Kennedy boys.

They both need to go.

We have seen today the dark side of those activities where many Americans who were not even suspected of crime, we're not only spied upon, but they were harassed, They were discredited and at times endangered.

My aunt had been the victim of Jegor Hoover, you know, lying to her.

After the march on Washington, there was an acceleration.

He was defined because of his speech in that demonstration in Washington as the most dangerous and effective leader in the country, and there was a paper battle between within the bureau was to how best to attack him.

That he was attacked, So the main focus of that meeting was really trying to figure out how to take down Martin Luther King.

They were quite explicit about laying out a campaign to destroy King.

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Original music by Makeup and Vanity Said.

Cover art by Mr Soul two six with photography by Artemis Jenkins.

Special thanks to Owen Rosenbaum and Grace Rowyer at u t A, The Nord Group, back Median Marketing, Envisioned Business Management, and Station sixteen.

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