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Well, Hi, folks, how you doing this is Pamela Bob, your host, creator and star of Living on a Prairie.

I'm super fan and I am here with We just love her, our prairie bitch.

That's right, it's Allison arn Grum.

There's looking so sweet and pretty and French.

And also looking sweet and pretty and French.

I don't know.

That's our hashtag imaginary boyfriend Dean Butler.

So I'm sitting here trying to like get my hair out of my eyes, and I'm looking at myself in reverse on the screen, so it like I'm putting my hand in the wrong place.

Yeah, there we go.

Now my hair is out of my face.

Hi.

How's everybody today?

Well, Alison, still in France.

You just went somewhere.

Pretty cool.

How is your week, everybody, Allison?

Let's start with you.

There the international travel.

Working it, working it well.

You know, as I always say, they're still digging Le petite la prairie easy.

They are obsessed.

So Saturday night we had a show uh and uh it was sold out and there was a standing ovation and they basically lost their freaking French minds over it.

And it's a and and Pamela, you see the show with the thesiscific, all the cardio, all the party said it the aerobic show, and there's lots of I was absolutely drenched and sweat lost about three pounds.

Good.

Yeah, and uh it's awesome and they they just tore it up, tore it up, and yeah, standing ovational.

But then they lined up for I guess about two hours, the atographic pictures and stuff, and yeah, it's it's a mid night, it's a long night.

And this weekend's two shows.

We got a Friday night and a Saturday night and they're not they're not sold out yet.

Tickets are still available for this week but uh, then the third weekend is the Crazy Place where I four shows in one place because they kept selling out, so they just skipped adding asking can we had a show?

We had a show?

They said, it's a very small place, it's a small theater, it's a small village.

But they sold out the Friday night, Saturday night so quickly they begged for our Sunday matinee, so we said, okay, and then they said, can we have Monday night because we sold on a Sunday matinee like two days And I said, is a show on Monday night?

So I'm doing four shows.

There are Broadway schedules with Monday nights there, you.

Know, but there are a couple.

Yeah, it's actually very because they're the only show running on a Monday.

So I'm going four shows back to back in this one village and then go collapse for spell.

Ye really, you'll you'll be oh no, you'll be down twelve pounds.

I know for real, I will be Yeah, I'll be looking.

I meab you to be.

I need to need to see this like this very physical show.

I mean, you are very physical in the way you perform.

You're you know, you work, you work big.

But I'm wondering what this must look like.

How how are you running all over a stage?

I mean, what's happening?

And the boss saw this because the drunk and I did a special come out and performance of it in French as a Shiera Madrin Playhouse right after the Spumy week and most people were in bed.

I don't know how you did that.

I don't know.

I don't know how she did it either, because I.

Was show those three days to see me.

But I did a show that involved jumping up and down.

It's just it's like the Jane Fonda workout because it's all eighties themed.

Yes, so there's all of the eighties music and eighties theme songs, and I got on.

They're literally like in aerobic pant I have hot pink leg warmers and hot pink high top rebox like Dan.

It's like a fever dream.

I felt.

I felt very high watching the show.

Also, it was all in French, so I was like, what is happening?

She's jogging so for two hours straight?

How am I not on acid right now?

I don't understand.

I don't know how you did this After that weekend, that's like, that's like the greatest endurance.

I know.

I think we were all so.

Fry beyond the you know.

I even stayed in l A an extra day because I thought, I'm never in la let me stay.

I'm gonna do some things I'm gonna go.

I did.

I couldn't get out of bed.

I couldn't get out of bed.

Well, you came and did the podcast which I was, which which was crazy.

Exhausted, but I was and did a show in French because it's it's the eighties, and we do you like parodies of game shows?

And we talked about songs.

And various musicians and various French celebrities in the eighties like oh yes remember the song when I was like yes and the top the tops and talk about various songs and age.

It were really weird.

Yeah, participation of the Yeah.

One of the top experiences of my life is going as Allison do that show with Susie Schubert, who is the co author of Little House Life Hacks, and the two of us sitting in the back of the theater going are we stoned?

Did we That's happening that you were ranging?

You said, did someone put something in my drink?

Did they seek me some brownies?

I don't know what's happening.

Why are these things all?

I knew that she was jogging the entire time, cardio the entire time.

Anyway, Good for you, Alison, that's so exciting.

I'm so happy for you.

That's great.

And Dean you were just this weekend.

Yeah, it was fun.

I'd never done the fan Expo before.

Dallas beautiful, beautiful Dallas Fort Worth Convention Center, which you know, really quite a quite an impressive building.

You know.

It's just that I was just in the autograph portion of it, as you know, with fan X things.

It's a lot of they did a little they did a whole vintage thing here, which leads me to two of the people, one of whom I know and Allison you know actually Pamela you know her too.

So was there with sitting right next to the table with Bonnie Bartlett.

And Bill Daniels.

Now Barnie, of course was you know, was Grace Edwards and Grace Snyder.

Grace Edwards on our program was won an Emmy on Saint Elsewhere, sitting alongside her husband, Bill Daniels, who was you know, seventeen seventy six, and she at this show.

He also downstairs was the you know, scale model or an actual working model of Kit, the car from Night Rider, of which Bill was the voice of.

I never put that together, and of course he was the voice of Kit.

Oh my god, my mind is exploding right now.

I never put that together.

Even when you said it started rolling, I was like, yeah, the boys Kit cool, And then no, this just hit me right now.

Ye shame child.

They love that show.

Care is ca Dumill K two thousand.

One of the best theme songs ever of all themes.

Oh my gosh.

Okay, So that's what he was known for at this fan event.

Well, at this kind of an event.

Although there were a lot of DVDs of seventeen seventy six that I saw going by, Barney has like three hundred pictures on the table from throughout her career.

I mean, it was the biggest lineup of the event.

And they you know, so they could go out, they could go out, and do you know they were out there for an hour at a time.

I mean, these people are both ninety plus.

Yeah, but boy do they get this.

They know how to do it.

They've got a great assistant who just sits there with his square device kicking out stuff.

It is unbelievable what they do at these shows.

So it was just the lineup was it's just uh, brilliantly enthusiastic.

Uh you know, people were just so excited to see them, and then you know, then they people saw the rest of us.

Now, Allison, you'll love this.

I did the raft from Land of the Lost.

I saw that picture.

So it's early in the morning and just waking up and trying to fair ify call Bob, how laves they might still be up.

I should get up.

I opened my phone, what's on Facebook?

And there's a picture of you in the Land of the Lost Rap.

Wesley, you are I laughed so hard I almost fell out of bed.

That's the funniest thing I see.

See, I've been in the raft.

I've been in the raft.

Tell them about this.

I know you.

Well, this is why I this is why I had to get in the raft, because I knew you'd done the raft.

Everybody's doing the raft.

Everybody's doing it, but the raft is.

Babbling know about the raft?

Of course I watched that show.

Yes, Wesley or had a stroke of genius one day because he and Kathy was a Kathy It's Kathy Coleman read it goes to all this.

She was the girl and I loved.

They were going to autograph shows.

And one day Wesley went, yes, I get it, and he went to Big five Sporting Goods and bought a big yellow raft in a couple of hours and some life jackets and went and the raft and people they just sit in the raft with him.

Again.

He'd hold up an ragle A really yeah, I mean that's the that's the stick.

And and it's amazing.

I mean, just fandoms are remarkable.

It really is it really is it really is.

I mean people and we're hearing all day long, you're hearing a I mean that's like that's the bit so right across from me and next so they were so Bill and bon you know, Bonnie and Bill Daniels were on one side, and the Land of sid Croft and the you know, the Land of the Lost people were on the other side listening to AH.

And then directly across from me was someone I had not met but have admired for years, the act wonderful actor Glenn Moore Shower, who is was you know, well, he's done every military tough.

I loved him in twenty four I really loved him in Friday Night Lights.

He was he was great in that.

Glenn Moore Shower is an actor's actor with an absolutely killer instinct for being cast this guy and you would not look at Glenn and say, well, this is like you know, he's not a leading man, he's none of that, but he is absolutely killer when it comes to knowing what he does and how he does it.

And Glenn apparently is in a has a very good shot to do get his Broadway debut next year.

So it's not it hasn't happened yet.

It hasn't happened yet, but he's telling me that we may be seeing him on Broadway, and yes, yeah, so he will be.

He's yeah, and I can't tell you, yeah, but yeah, but he's very excited about it.

And and then the other person who is a Broadway baby started off as a Broadway baby, Greg Greg Evigan, who was in Jesus Christ Superstar and was in was in Chicago and you can just tell as Greg hums that there's a great voice there.

Yeah, and my two dads and so many other things.

Greg, just anyway, that part of it was was more engaging to me than the act will show meeting these two guys, so different, so interesting, lovely guys.

We went to Dallas's best hamburger joint and just sat and laughed.

So nice it was.

It was great.

Uh so let's get on to the show because we burned half the time.

Okays, on your I'm in the raft, you have to put a background.

Yeah no, someone did that.

I didn't do it, but someone else did.

Chop it and stick in the waterfall or the dinosaur and and yeah yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We did video.

We did video as well, so there will be there will be something else.

Yeah, anyway, we've got a really fun, fun episode to us.

I love this episode so much.

I'm so happy.

Recapping of it.

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All right, we're here seen indeed, what episode are we doing?

So today we have started.

It's interesting, I say this is sort of a Valentine's Day related episode in a instead of an interesting way we're doing today.

Second Spring, season six, episode twenty one, which premiered on February eighteenth, four days after Valentine's Day in nineteen eighty.

Another sure that you are in I was not in.

Yeah, I was in half.

I was in half of the episode in season six.

That was contractually what had to happen.

So that's that's where I was.

So this was written by John T.

Dugan, Such an interesting, quirky guy.

John Dugan was and directed by Bill Claxton.

You just did a wonderful job with this Second Spring, Alison, what's this about?

This is my parents?

Let's get them on.

Can I just say I am so cute in this?

It's like right before personal Okay Today episode Yes, Nells finally loses patience with his henpecked family life and he begins a mobile merchant business and during my stops he needs a much younger woman.

What's nineteen years?

I checked their birthdays?

Is that really?

Holly molly rear?

Did?

He didn't look look nice irish?

Much younger?

Did she his own wife?

In the process, Neil struggles with temptation and going astray as relationship blossoms, or as it can also be put, Neills Elson's long suffering husband will only grows resident foghorn.

Harriet hits the road and something remembers what it feels like to breathe without being nagged with an inch.

Of his life.

For the rioting there it is Elsi's alive, his heart's racing, his hair neatly parted, his colode probably turpentine and regret.

Could this be moud?

Meanwhile, back home, Harriet suspects something is up.

It becomes a one woman Pinkerton agency and petticoat, so yeah, yeah, she can't get suspicions of this.

Just when Nel's about to trade in his dry goods for romance, he remembers who he really is.

He resist temptation, returns home and prooves that while a man can dream of a second spring, some gardens are best left unplanted.

Oh dear love me, they is forever.

This is again one of these episoderee from Nels and Harriet really do love each other, not mere mortals.

May not ever understand why or but Nels and Harriet really do love each other.

She really does love him.

He really does love her.

For whatever bizarre personality problems are going on here, they fell in love at someone.

She always says, oh, he married me for the store and two horses.

No, she loves him.

He loves her.

We don't know why, and so he does.

He has a mid life crisis.

He has a midlife crisis and meets this very nice lady and he's like, well maybe he's had a fight with Harry, and he's like maybe maybe this could work.

And no, no, of course he goes back.

This episode for me is do it, Nells, do it.

I've never been prochet on your wife ever before.

This is the one time I'm like, oh, Nells, you just should and I know, I know.

At the end, we're like, no, they really do love each other, and he did make the right choice.

But my, ow my, is this a dysfunctional, terrible situation he's got at home, and you know it's tough as a viewer.

This is a very satisfying episode.

I have to say.

It's sort of like everything we want for him to happen.

But anyway, we'll get into it.

Dean, what were you going to say?

Uh No, I was just going to say that Richard gets an opportunity to show.

I mean, we know that we've watched him be handpacked and talking under his breath.

Yes, you know, long suffering.

We've seen that, and he's he did that throughout the life of the series so brilliantly.

Here we got to see Richard light on his feet, I know, feeling that sort of the excitement of really something magical and wonderful happening to him.

He's just so good.

Richard was so shoo, He's so sweet and you realize and you you believe that she falls in love.

Yes him total.

This brings up the big question.

We've seen him be brilliant comedian, but this brings up the question is Nell's hot?

Because see it we go on and on about right imaginary boyfriend lmm so everybody's hot, faw with the shirt off.

Everybody, Oh, Albert, he's so cute.

Hot, even hot Doc, even hot dog fall for Doc.

Yeah, Nells is sexy.

Now I haven't is Nell's hot story grads, I do, so my dad and and Dean, you had the pleasure of meeting my father.

You fluck up.

So my father he was tired by at this point up in Canada, and he was talking about Little House in the Prairie with one of his friends and said, oh, yes, I love that Joy.

Father was surprise, older, older gay man, and he said, really, you watch the show.

He said, yes, I do, and he told about his favorite character.

He said, well, Nell's Olsen.

Yeah, Richard will absolutely hands down my favorite person on the show.

And my father, Oh yes, he's so funny, what a brilliant actor.

And at this point the guy says, well, actually no, I just thought he was hot.

And everybody was like.

Record scratch general and yeah.

Even my dad was like wait what because he'd heard like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, mister Garvey even yeah sure, and he way really and guy's like oh yeah, he said, isn't any nobody else is getting to get No nels Els is the guy No, he's really good looking and he's so quiet and intelligent that that is a hot man.

And he cooks.

I mean when he was his cooks, I will say that all the cooking conversations and him and even when he goes to Molly's and he's like, I can help you cook, I was like, that's hot.

That is a thousand person hot.

Yeah.

That was the tick of the box for me for sure.

And he's done.

And technically there's things like you know, Dean, we talk about when things are out of character, don't seem quite right?

Well, was serving the episode.

There's some out of character agreed, I have it in my face off lying to his wife, wella, I'm taking in a bigger order, Nick weeking lying to this girl that he's lying lying once married?

Are you married?

Not married?

That net forgot Yeah no not marry.

Yeah, no time to go to bed now bye?

But yeah, yeah, all right?

Should we take it from the top, take them top?

Sure, let's take it for the top.

Willie's being an asshole, sorry, a.

Jerk, shoving.

Again top of the game in this in the mouth commitment to the commitment to the bit and and Harriet Catherine's doing commitment to the day or so on the bit like we are going to go all the way with this stupid gag.

If it kills us, We're just gonna do it.

And and I'm reminded because Jonathan, ha we had a thing.

It's the episode about the wolves and the wolves but the wolves, and there's a scene where I have the jaw breakers and this was a running thing, and I guess quacks excid because Michael had always said how many job breakers can you shove in your mouth at one time and still breathe and or talk?

And just okay, well and Michael going one to four, four, five, okay, not five, thank you.

So it's and so you are rules and you're born because he just needs to.

So Yeah, the running contest of how much candy can you shove in your mouth and talk was a thing that was a thing.

And Jonathan excels here with.

Such a little weasily Brett.

He's just awful.

He plays it perfectly.

Oh No, he's great.

Jonathan is awesome in the show.

He's all he was always wonderful in the show.

Yeah, he's exactly it, totally.

Yeah, And the exasperation and then the coddling and all of that is just great.

Yes, you know what you can say about this, I'm just going to say the thing that we see and you've just both said it, but I'm just going to reinforce it.

The commitment to the moment is is very very strong.

No one is hedging here, and I think you see that throughout the dynamics of this family, there is always commitment.

Yes, sealing people who are fully capable of deploying into a situation.

Yes, And everyone does.

Jonathan's reactions everything Catherine does, all the Harriet stuff, and he is on it.

His reactions are dead on.

It's not like, you know, just think some child actor doesn't know what they're doing.

It's just like what he is following.

He is going, okay, now she's doing this, Okay, we're gonna go here now he is like firey, yess we just said that.

And I guess this just dawned on me about Jonathan on this show, is that because he wasn't an actor, he's not acting on the show, which is why it's completely believable.

He's just this little braddy shirt.

I don't see an actor right, Like, there's no child actor happening.

He's so authentically doing what he is supposed to be doing, which is why it works so brilliantly.

Here's my favorite dialogue of the entire episode where I literally paused it and like doubled over in a kafah.

Here we go, Nels, will you stop interfering while I'm disciplining my son, Harriet, he's my son too, more so, Nells, how do you figure that, Harriet?

I bore him, Nells, Well, you bore me too, but that doesn't make.

You my mother.

I literally, like I literally.

Did a slap on the knee, like like it just cracked me up so hard.

Whoever wrote that?

Bra Well, I know who wrote that?

Yes?

Whoa?

Oh yeah, A lot so good.

Borderline Like there's and when we will get into the anniversary, there is a lot of goofy old school honeymooners shitcop Vadeville traditional humor as we used to go on, just yucks in this one.

Okay, so after this Paw comes into the store, he's in the doghouse, he's forgotten his anniversary.

Talk about uncharacteristic things.

They serve the plot.

So let's just accept it.

This whole thing with Ma and Pa.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's just not it's not but whatever, I take it because it was also very funny dialogue, very very funny.

But here's the part that gets me.

Paul's like, I need to buy a gift for you know, Carolyn.

I'm in the doghouse.

He's like, I've got three dollars.

And I was like three dollars.

Where the heck did pocket three dollars from?

And no way is he spending it on a on a like a jewelry box or the little little you know, it was a beautiful little little little thing or perfume and where whatever it is?

Oh yeah, no, it wasn't the jewel rocks.

It was perfume.

Where where did pocket?

What was it called?

Something?

More?

Yes, yes, it's fragrance.

The big point of contention is it talent?

Because he's like, oh, it's fragrance, so that would be pretty moore.

But he's like maybe a lot more because and then she later says, oh, fragrance de mour and it's like, oh, so wait, we are are we Italian?

Now?

Now it's de lamore.

It's like Caroline pronounced it as if it were Italian, and it's like unclear.

It's like okay, wait, Where's where's the fee?

How is that spelled?

You can't supposed to be French, Italian?

Well all over the probably.

But it served the purpose though it all, it's.

Probably like Hagandas made in America, a fake name to make it look like it's Europe made up.

So what do we think of this device?

It's sort of I don't know, yes.

But I don't know why it's there.

Yeh, So he goes home.

The marriage humor we're doing the Honeymooners, the Flintstones.

It's very like like fifty sixty sitcom humor that's kind of out of place and is and doesn't work in the time period.

Anniversaries work.

Eighteen hundred, yes, people celebrated them.

It was apparently it was a German tradition or something.

But in the eighteen seventies was it really like, oh my god, yesterday was an anniversary?

Was supposed to have a party to.

No, it was.

Well, but here's the other thing.

Usually when they usually when they sort of go off into these little uncharacteristic things, it does serve up.

It does serve a purpose for the plot.

But in this case, when I revisited it, I was like, what was the purpose of that because it actually had nothing to do with the rest of the plot of the show.

Did it all couples or their problems?

Even Charles screwed up?

And is that kind of romance?

Yeah, I think I think it's.

I think it's that.

I think it's also it kept it got Michael on the screen.

Yeah, otherwise there's that.

Otherwise there wasn't it was a device to keep him alive in the plot.

It it was.

It was such a it was a very contemporary kind of moment with being in the doghouse is I think, I think, I don't know, that feels very contemporary to me, But again, it did serve the purpose.

Uh, and it sort of sets up this, It does sort of set up quietly this uh you know wild the wild hair that Nels is going to have.

It just sets up a romantic, sensual kind of thing.

Yeah, you know, it just sort of gets that moving.

And I just checked, No, people didn't really say in the dog house until the nineteen twenties, but day Yeah, yeah, that's kind of weird archaic kind of thing.

Yeah.

So so so that gets everything moving and he's he decides he's going to head off.

And he's has an epic meltdown, which again for the audience, is very very satisfying.

I'm off, everyone is everyone's everyone, my food, help me.

I mean, he's like their slave.

It's like they only value him for their meals.

It's just terribly think we just make him do it.

Yeah, yeah, and he.

Again again piling on circumstance to generate the moment, the breakpoint moment.

I mean, this is something that I think the program did very well.

Okay, are these things that happen over the top.

Yes, of course they're over the top, and that's what's driving the drama forward.

And that's what makes it fully understandable and excusable that Nels is just going to say enough and I get full commitment to these moments, and he's out.

Although with the Olsens, I believe these moments.

I believe that they would.

Actually do this.

Annoying that you would want to leave.

It's it's yes, so and then he got.

It's he's he's been a safe to stay as long as he has, says.

He goes to apparently the town of Tracy, which is a real town, which is New Wally Groves, real great, okay, and meets the beautiful Irish proprietus at the end.

Now I'm bad to say when he's Susanne Rogers.

Susan Rogers loved Mollly Reardon and she was on the soap opera she was was she Days of Our Lives?

Yes, she was, I think Small Lives and was apparently like longest ever on a soap opera of anybody ever, like over fifty.

She was on the show.

She got sick, she left the show, she came back, she got better and came back.

She was just on Days of Our Lives, like forever and ever and ever, and it's just this huge career.

And in this she pops up as the beautiful Molly Reardon doing the most insane cartoon thereafter my lucky charms accent, and they're doing.

The whole thing is in falsetto the whole her whole falsetto the entire time.

She has bearded all the prophets.

But it's.

I just want to say that my family.

She's flirtatious and coquettish, and it's like that's it's perfect, and a.

Person of Irish start, don't I think I'm actually starting to become offended.

I was like, I think I'm offended.

This is so bad Irish stereotyped.

I may actually be Oh my god, how far are they going to take this?

But she did, and she did everything produced a pot of gold.

Yes, like insane.

Yeah so yeah.

So he gets there and she prepares this wonderful meal, and it's laughing and fun and all of this.

Yes and no, and and they set up the fact very clearly at the end of Act one that Nels is in trouble when he admits or does not admit at the end of that act that he's that he's a married man, and he's asking himself in the mirror as the fate was we fade to black.

Yes, why what did he say it?

He said, why did you say you weren't married?

Well, I know why, we all know why.

We all know why.

And once again not not advocating cheating spouses whatsoever, but in this case, the audience is literally like, do it now, do it?

Run away?

Please, She's perfect for you, She's perfect.

He's the Asian woman you want him to be with.

We say, Manic Pixie dream girl is She's the apparently manic leprechaun dream girl of the eighteen seventies that he has got wrapped up in and I have quick Like I said, it's the Irish heritage.

She's going on and on.

She just never hit any fiction.

Late.

Now I'll be getting after set to the case of Fatima, and he's going for this.

And I thought, now, here's the problem being Irish, having Irish relatives doing this.

Fold the roll in, the endless cute Irish phrases and the horror fashion.

This is Irish con artistry at its finsa.

This is what we do when we want to get the customer to spend a lot of money.

Yes, she is putting it off.

I actually thought that.

I was like, ooh, what if in an alternate world he actually did leave Harriet for her and then she turns into a totally different person after he leaves.

Yes, so that's my justification.

That's how I make myself feel better that he didn't stay with her.

She is lovely and she's she appreciated.

She never did anything other than there was a mislead with the father with the man who she's having the.

Yes, but he did think she did think she had landed the big fish hair.

She does think that she's got this guy, and she does like older man and it's rude.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so as we start at two, we're back in Walnut Grove and Carrie's having this fun conversation with with Caroline where Caroline inquires Will, How's Nell's doing.

He must be miserable on the road.

Juat joke.

Cut to the fine.

Living his best life, y'all.

He's living his best life, I know.

And it's so I hate saying this because it again don't want it.

I'm not an advocate for cheating spouses, but this is so satisfying for the audience to see Nell's being appreciated by a woman.

Anyone, woman who's factive, woman who's being flirtatious and sweet.

Yes, yeah, no, it's yeah, yeah, it's it's really good when they get up and you know, and of course and she dances for him in a very sort of come hither way.

I mean, she's definitely she's putting an invitation out there all the time and oh yes, gets up and they do this little jag and it's really it's really sweet.

It is so sweet.

Yeah, it's an emotional affair.

I mean, Charles's she's actually in a fullliplock.

But sometimes people do have weird emotional affairs sometimes and it can be very unhealthy and break up the relationship, or sometimes it can be a healthy release, like letting the steam out and without someone actually going and breaking up the marriage and going have an affair.

They have a weird like emotional, weird thing with someone else, and no, they shouldn't really be doing it, but sometimes that happens.

And I guess if you're screwed up, as Harriet Nels, that's going to happen.

And it's probably better than just letting it faster, I don't.

Yeh.

He's getting emotional support in this relationship.

In a way.

Yeah, yeah, in a way, totally, totally.

They're not jumping in the bed because of the eighteen hundred.

Although she's very she's very well.

Let's not think that people didn't just jump in the bed of the eighth Henry.

It's little house.

They're not going to just jump on the bed.

Yes, and she's more she's more forward than any woman I've seen on that on the show.

She's not, but.

She but it's there's something in that lilting charm that she can be forward and she can always sort of.

Of course, it's part of the charm right right right, yes, exactly.

Excation that's right.

Yeah, it is so graceful and so pretty.

She's just lovely to watch.

Yeah, even the way she moves her hands.

I was like, oh, she was a dancer.

She was a dancer.

She was a bloody raw catch is what she was.

There, you go.

Cat.

It was so obvious that as soon as she started moving, body was like, oh, this is a dancer.

Yeah.

And her dog you could also see that Richard was not a dancer, but he stepped in.

He's no, he stepped in so gamely because.

He wasn't like he like the fact that he wasn't released.

Yes, and her father is played by a guy Clancy, Tom Clancy, who was, yes, the Clancy Singers or was that to the Clancy Brothers, who's an Irish singing group.

So he's like, he's really he's actually one of those people.

He had the Clancy.

I want to hear.

I want to hear from the Irish fans how they felt about Yes, wasn't Molly?

Was it insulting?

Was there too much he faith and Magora nonsense or what?

So?

Yeah, we should get some comments on that.

The other thing I want to say because we step into this and act too.

Is Nels is out on the road and we really see the joy that he's not only in this so yeah, he's having fun.

He's selling stuff.

We're up, We're up in gold Rush, We're up in Sonora.

Beautiful wide exteriors.

This is the thing that could happen when you got out of big sky and out of the wide lots.

You can open the lens up and see the world and it really accentuates the beauty of the place and you do get this broad expanse of land and so on.

It's very Those shows open up beautifully and they you really feel like you're.

In this world too long.

Jobs to a Guide by a river, Yes, Red.

Long Johns jots yeah yeah, under our mouth.

The first point of contact is Neil's kissing Molly on the cheek after after they're dancing.

He says, oh, I'm an old man, and she says, no, You're only as old as you feel, and then he kisses her in the cheek and it's a lovely, lovely moment.

I'm here for it.

Sorry, sorry, cheater's gonna cheat.

I suppose I don't know.

I don't like it, but I'm for it does that make sense?

Okay?

Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's all and there's Now we're setting up the business that Charles comes to.

Yes, right, and he's and he just suspicious and she yes, Nels, Harriet is very suspicious.

Well, but Nell's comes home immediately to people just demanding him.

The thing.

But yeah, we're just like yes, right a reinforcing the problem.

Yes, it's awful, it's awful.

So he's like, gotta go again.

See uh so he leaves again and he won't tell Harriet the name of the boarding house, just the town that it's in.

And that's.

He's shady, a loaver the punch.

Oh I gotta go again.

Yeah, I'm taking a bigger I'm gonna be longer.

Where am I staying at?

Why are you wearing that suit?

Oh?

Shut up, No, I can't tell you anything.

It's like, no, it's getting weird.

It's getting weird.

Now I have I have a personal question, and you have the right to not answer it if you don't want to.

Ready was my season six?

Was Michael Landon starting his lady business?

Yes?

He was, because part of me was like, are they writing about what's going on right now?

The show did that I wished to say.

It was we're doing therapy.

Michael was having group therapy with this television show who were all linkerd therapy.

I was just and a lot of personal things did get worked out.

Yeah, I was.

There was just a part of me during this episode that was like, hmm, I wonder, hmm, I wonder, I wonder, I would be if it's not at all associated with that cool, I buy it.

If it was associated with that cool, I'm buy it.

I get it.

I'm going to I'm going to say just because I think that would.

I just don't know that there.

I mean maybe in the vapor yeah or something.

Michael, I don't think this was intentional.

This was Claxton's episode.

I think the list of his producer on it.

He was, he produced every episode he directed.

But did yeah, Michael say yeah, let's do that one.

Yeah.

I don't.

I don't think so.

I think yeah.

I just don't think he would have gone there.

We took that weird episode where after he had a big fight with one of the tabloids and suddenly we had Harriet's happenings, and that was blatant.

That was one I am going to do this episode because I just had a big fight with the tabloid about saying stuff about me.

Had to like it was like and now it was so sometimes it did, sometimes the stuff totally.

I mean, it's interesting because Michael Landon did not write this episode, right, so it wasn't as self he didn't.

He wasn't the writer of record on this.

But Michael rewrote.

Every yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, every episode.

I mean, if there was something to be changed, he did it.

No, So listen, and this is a general theme of feeling older, of feeling underappreciative, of not feeling valued, or not feeling attractive anymore.

This is that's a universal that's not a Michael Landon specific thing.

It just is also coincidental.

It's an interesting thought.

Yeah, it really truly is.

I don't know who he is, younger one who we could talk to at this point about who might be able to confirm something like that or not.

But I mean, it's it's an interesting life parallel.

Yes, particularly context you start talking about Harry's happening.

That's interesting.

I hadn't ever made that connection.

I had never made that connection.

Okay, well didn't all the time that every single thought of his head made it to the screen, but sometimes it really was.

There were a lot of things that came the number of things that came out well, I mean the first of all, the story that was all stuff about his parents and Judaism and everything.

Things came out of his life and fell into episodes they did.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I think yeah, I think when you're this is an interesting creative thing.

And Pamela and Allison, we all could talk about this when you are in the midst, when you are so crazy busy with creative under you are.

I think Michael did pull from all kinds of threads that were throwing flowing through the world his life all that.

So maybe you have to as an artist, that's yeaheah, no, no exactly.

You just you're constantly drawing on yourself in some ways.

So yeah, maybe maybe did that.

Did you guys think of that watching this episode or is that?

No, did not think of I did not connect that at all.

Now maybe else and maybe you did.

When you start going, oh right, what season was this?

Yeah?

Interesting?

Hmm, yeah, I mean I don't want to start any rumors.

No, no, no, I I know, I understand.

So let's let's head to the end.

Of the second act.

Take okay, well in the second Ah.

Let's get to the end.

We'll take a little break.

So, so Nells comes back.

He needs to get away because they're on him again.

I just want him to cook.

He comes back to he comes back to the to the boarding house, he sees he sees Molly in conversation with a man that he doesn't quite know who he is.

And the end of the act is him taking this beautiful cameo out of a box and looking at it.

Fade to black.

Yes, let's take a break.

We'll be right back.

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So all right, so now we's now.

Now, so now he's yes, So now we're back.

Now we're back.

The whole thing that we were just saying we weren't back, well I didn't know.

Sorry anybody.

We had a really juicy thing we were talking about before we're back.

The reason why I said we're back is because I was like, oh, I don't know if we want to include this in the podcast.

Good for you, and I think that's very smart.

But who knows, folks, it might be in I don't know.

We'll see how we get.

So we cut out any conversation.

Right.

So, as we start season three, Nells who rather Charles, who has said he's to Harriet he's going to go check on Nells.

He rolls into Tracy.

Nells has a present for Mollie to show his appreciation for making him.

Feel so at home, And what a lovely man you are, she says, and and then this is the big shock moment of the episode.

Yep, actual, actual liplock full like one of the most passionate kisses, if not the most passionate kiss I've ever seen on Little House on the Prairie.

It was a Meca Rooney baby.

Now you see where Nelly got it from.

When you know, your kisses were the most like I take it back, It's like it's like you It's like you swallowed each other.

Yeah, you kiss it was like repression was finally released.

Yes, I totally.

Since we go, what's the deal with Harry Nels?

I think there's passion there.

I think they're passionate people, and that what then the neighbors witnesses these weird arguments and they're flying up town.

It's just like this bizarre, dysfunctional crazy and by day.

But maybe that is it, Maybe that Nels and Er did this passionate physical relationship and that that is who they are are.

And because it's.

And about the money and about the work, and.

This is the part we should cut out of the episode.

I'm sorry, I'm just not.

Seeing well, it's gotta be something.

It's gotta be something.

I love the scene that they did in another episode.

Alison you may recall and Pamela you may recall it to where she's doing the cold cream on her face and you know, what would you like me to do?

Put on a paper bag?

I mean, like, I'm so good.

When you see Richard is here and you think about what kath McGregor was like in real life.

Perhaps Nilson Harriet, Oh no, no, we can.

See that there could be heat there.

I just like, yeah, but this, this moment with Molly Reard was was realized.

We never saw it.

We never saw it.

We never saw kills.

And get stars don't get kisses like that, usually lady doesn't.

And then what uh buzz kill that Paul walks in on this very moment bummer bummer.

And and he's thinking, well, I'm not the only one.

Correct to relieve God, we're going to hell.

Sorry everybody, Sorry, but it's funny because it's true.

No, I mean, but he's it's a very it's it's embarrassing, it's very it's very it's embarrassing, but oh my god, it's very real.

Excuse to see his out and again it's like the serving the show was that out of character?

What would have Charles normally wouldn't have Charles gone whoa hey, whoa hey, dude, but he's like, yeah, sorry, I made a mistake.

I'm gonna leave.

Yeah, but what a moment it was?

What so so that moment happens.

Nells comes home and I thought this scene was really interesting because a lot of guys that's seen at the mill, where a lot of guys would be trying to vamp around this.

I think it's not what it looks like.

And Nells goes right, yes, straight.

He really does that.

We believe now he's back in character because Paul does bust it.

Paul busts him, and which he would, because then that would be weird.

I Paul never busted him for this, because ors he would, And then Nels is back in character.

He doesn't try to go it wasn't me, Shaggy.

He did, but he does say I but he does say I don't want Harriet to know, which is like, oh, okay, he.

Doesn't want her.

You know, that's the kind of thing psychologists would say.

That kind of honesty is not that that's for you.

It has no respect, you know, you're not at all concerned about the person whose life you're exploding.

When you are honest, there are times when that kind of honesty is not the loving thing to do.

Yeah, it just it just isn't.

I mean, if you have any desire to save this, which clearly that scene suggests that he does have a desire to save this, even though he's tempted.

If he didn't care about her, he'd say, yeah, let's wreck this.

I'm going to go home and tell her right now it's and destroy her and then there's no there's no recovery from that.

But he talks to the fact that yes, this girl and she's this, and she's that, and she makes and he cops to that it is kind of midl like, but she makes me feel younger.

He kind of like says, I, No, I don't want to leave my wife, but I'm having the emotional horrible death and i gotta go talk to somebody.

Yeah yeah, And then of course yeah so, and they have that conversation and Charles is not judging him.

You are responsible for what you do, which is the very Charles thing to say.

I mean, there are other scenes when he has offered advice, but here's the case where he's not offering advice, he's just saying I'm your friend, I'm listening, and which is.

Getting very modern.

There's another modern there's several very modern sort of conceits, the way Harriet Nell's talked, and the way later when he talks to the girl where I'm going, oh, it must be the seventies because everyone's getting very psychological about things, and I'm like, that's nice.

It's the eighteen hundreds.

Nobody's talking about that.

But and then follow that, so now we and then we end up we jumped to a scene immediately where and I'm not quite sure how this happens, but it's a good device for the yeah story where there is an inventory guard on and there's a cameo missing.

Right up a receit and FA, you're gonna lie, dude, And he took it out of the stock and he didn't go the rest of the way with a lie, and right you know, takes money out of his pocket, shove it the thing right up and received Joe Smith bought a freaking cameo.

He didn't do that, she just gave it to her.

So then he gets told me, She's like, so who bought the locket, who bought the cameo?

Because the big old cameo missing for the box, So where's the money for it and the receipt for the person that you sold it to?

And that's because we have to report this on our tax return.

That's right, you know what this scene, this scene, I was like, Oh, she's really she's a very good business woman, Like she's she knows what the hell she's doing.

This is, yeah, and part part part of the appeal of her to him is she's smart, she's a good business woman.

But this is also when the This is when Harriet now Aly becomes suspicious.

This is when she's this is when she's like, something is not right, something is not acting up here.

And this is when he's out of control because he didn't think this far ahead normally, now who thought this far ahead and written in particular, But the fact that he's gone, oh what can't what can that?

Oh, I've lost this situation.

I did not plan this very well.

Now I've blown it.

I've blown it because I'm not even doing that.

Yeah.

So now the next thing we see is him trying on a hair piece midlife.

This is the this is a little younger truth with Charles was really like where is he?

Where is he here?

Yeah, this is the equivalent of getting a red Ferrari on your fiftieth birthday, right, Like this is the classic there it is.

You go to the gym yep.

And of course he laughs and a.

Miliated and she busts him for it.

Absolutely, you look ridiculous.

You look like a fool doing this.

And he's really hurt by that.

And here's where he says at the end, basically close to the end of the act, I don't know if I don't know when I'm going to be back or if I'm going to be back.

And it's the hairpiece.

He is an attractive man even though he's.

Balding, doesn't need the hair piece.

Yeah, I'm one of those people.

I know there's people that go to get the hair thing and the plugs and the transform the hair pieces.

And I guess, okay, if you got it, you want to get your head warm.

It feels good to you.

I I think it's over the top.

I think it's I'm not a fan of the plastic surgery and excessive enhancements because it's like people can tell of course grew hair no, they're gonna go.

He has a nice hair piece.

I'm so glad he spent the money and got a good one.

That's all anybody's gonna think.

And it's feel And I think bald guys are kind of hot.

So hi Bob, oh, hi Bob, for his seven seventy shaved his freaking head.

Right, Okay, did you'll Brenner have any trouble getting chicks?

I don't think so.

So No, it's it's no, Well, that's a whole different thing.

Bald can be totally fine.

It's not all about oh, I gotta have hair.

This is there's young men who shave their heads, but guys do this.

Guys do this to themselves and it it's it's the hair, that's it.

I'll get the hair, and it's well hair, hair is like their one thing.

Yep, like hair is the one.

Hello they.

Have?

So yeah, So all right, So he leaves right, Yeah, I'm just trying to keep us moving forward.

Gets back, Hat sees her having this interaction with this older man again, and he's pissed and she conf and Molly confronts Nells about his upset, and here we find out that this is da.

Him sense yes, he sense he comes by, oh boy, yes.

Yeah yeah, And end of act three, that's right, we financed, and now Nells is like in full possibility of what can happen here with Molly dancing a jig as her da and Nell's look on.

I guess Dan, Dan, the wonderful actor who probably did a lot of this, dances briefly with Molly.

It's a it's a little.

Awkward lead singer of the Clan Brothers.

He knows what he's doing is really he could like do the whole divers thing.

And then he excuses himself.

He goes off to bed.

You know it's he's gone off to bed.

And here here's the moment.

Now, now we have the moment where true Ruth and you know, Nell's his true nature, the authenticity of who he is comes back.

Well, we find out she really thought she she'd hook the guy because she's going, well, how convenient that my father is here so you can ask for my hand Yikes, what she's like, we're getting married, not just like well, I'm gonna have a tour an affair with.

The guy I got.

I got a cameo getting married.

Todn't engage the cameo bear.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

So now now we get to see the heartbreak the devastation of this moment, and we get to see Nell's recover really come to terms with or acknowledge who he really truly is.

Yeah, and he's also basically like, oh, I realize now you've got daddy issues.

When he starts saying what she says, Oh, I hardly think it.

Well, I'm old enough to be your father.

Oh, I hardly think fatherly goes well, maybe not conscious and I'm like, it's the eighteen hundreds, are we now doing?

Yes in her subconscious by daddy is nobody was talking about that?

That nobody was.

Fucking But also, did you say in real in real life, Alison, the age difference?

It works out Richard Bull and Susan Rogers are nineteen years work.

I would have never suspected.

I don't know why.

For some reason, I assumed she was a little older than she was and he was a little younger than she.

I didn't think it was that.

I did not think it was that big of an age difference.

I really I don't think they I.

Thought they looked really good apart they looked like close enough well and.

That's why we wanted them to be together, actually, because they looked really good together.

They looked great.

And then he kind of I noticed it, like the oops I married was the second thing.

First she's like, well, I can't marry you when I'm too old and it's not right.

Oh oh, Bury the lead.

And then she says, but I love you.

I love She says, I love you.

It's so sad.

It's really sad, sweet all right.

So then he's like, I can't.

I'm back to my senses.

Yes, even though the audience wants him to be with her.

But we won't talk about that.

Yes, no exactly, but I mean we really do.

Yeah, no, it we were.

We see it.

You understand.

Doing the right does the right, does the right thing.

Yes, yes, we love him.

He's a man.

He's a man of principles.

He sees the larger picture.

He sees his wife, their life in Walnut Grove, his children, all these things that you want to be thinking about as you're considering blowing up your life.

Well, and also it doesn't this this is happens all the time.

When you're on the road.

You're able to compartmentalize and have a totally different life completely separate than the one that you have and you're back home.

So this sort of fell into that as well, that he, you know, traveling man, and.

He noticed that like Ladyship Met, like movie stars, they just get divorced from It's always about two years, because it's like they go on the picture and they're on location in Yugoslava or New Zealand, and not only are they completely separate from their husband and wife, but all of their friends who would say, what are you doing?

So they can just totally go after the new person with no feedback, and nobody's having to do laundry or make dinner, do the dishes, none of that real stuff.

They're just alternate reality, nothing but the beautiful landscape and this person.

The affair starts, they fall in love, they finish the picture, they keep it going because then the studios like great, They do the publicity, they do the red carpet, they get divorced, they maybe even marry the person, and time for the movie to come out.

And then somewhere after the movie comes out, heaven forbid, it's a bomb, speeds things up really fast.

It all sort of falls apart, all sort of right because the movie does go on forever, and now they're back home with the laundry and the thing and the dishes in the life and the real world, the bills and their friends and their new lover's friends who they suddenly meet and they're like, why are you two together?

And it'll then work.

Then they go in another movie, you meet somebody else, do it again.

And this is why you see people get married over two years.

Because it's a it's a very immediately the actor's world is rife.

You have to meet musicians.

So yeah, I'm musicians too.

You when you're when you're out on the road and you're or you're working.

With someone in a romantic intimate situation, you you do make yourself emotionally available to those people.

You have to make yourself emotionally on some level.

Now.

I know that there are actors everyone's worked with it.

I mean, Catherine has lots of stories about Katherine, My wife.

Catherine has the stories about actors that she's worked with who deliberately made themselves sort of give them credit, deliberately made themselves as unappealing as possible in the most overtly romantic moments to avoid any crossing over of intention.

I mean, like like eating a clove of garlic before the big kiss, or smoking a pipe or a cigar before the big kiss, just to make sure that this was not a good appealing moment.

Wow, And I think that's that's an interesting thing.

And other actors are spraying banaka in their mouth before that moment.

Garlic wouldn't work on me.

I like, I love garlic.

Terrible but it's but it is interesting.

People have different strategies about Now we've jumped out of the show and we're dealing into the practicality of doing these moments, which can be, as Alison is suggesting, a a very mentally, emotionally, psychologically challenging things to get involved with, and oftentimes actors are probably the least equipped to really deal with all of this.

Of course, you see a lot nowadays people bringing their entire flies with them because yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, really really interesting.

So this ends.

Home.

Harry has the candles lit.

She's making herself look beautiful for him.

She wants to cook dinner for him.

She has a dinner, she's a roast ready for him.

Yeah, which is and you and.

You look beautiful, she's you know, he says, you look so nice.

She's touched.

Yeah, yeah, and uh and she he admits that he loves to cook.

So this life that they have together is a is a good life.

Harriet hates to cook.

She admits that that all works and of course she has ruined.

Chris the roast.

Yeah, but this is a satisfying This is a really satisfying ending, if you know, it's tricky to end this episode because the audience really wants him to be with Molly.

So this I felt that they handled this last scene really well because we go with the audience goes, Okay, they are a team, they can work well together.

They do.

This does make sense, you work well together?

Yes, And as long as she as long as she realizes she has to appreciate him every now and then, they're gonna yes, which is true of all relationships, right, Like just need to feel appreciated every now and then and we're good and then we'll be good to go.

And then they go for a stroll in the night air, which is so lovely.

I love that how he says we're not going to go to now, not going to go to ellis because.

I think that's that's what you say when they first got together, and you know, Nellie and Willie were more when they first got together.

I think there was something there, like, yes, walked it that they they were look and I think that's that he misses that because now it's just how much do we make the store today?

And he's going to cook and cook me?

He cooked?

Yeah, right, and so he's like, what happened to the feisty gal?

I went for a walk in the woods?

Whip you know that Maybe that's the big if you look at this, that's really the big lesson of this episode is we have to appreciate the people that are that are central in our lives.

There's got to be those moments where they know that they really.

Matter to us.

Yes, not being taken arounded.

And they had Nelson Harriet have that moment at the end of this, so we can't You're right, we can feel good about this at the end that there really is something genuine between them that matters, that really matters.

Yeah, it was a very sweet ending and also does see Harriet sort of humble herself that way.

It was important without sobbing, without blubbering, and which I mean she's still blubberd.

But it was funny.

It wasn't manipulative.

Yeah, yeah it was, but she you could you knew that she the way Catherine played it, that she knew that there was something that's been that was a jeopardy moment.

Yes, but then and it's beins.

He came back.

He sent them a wire he was coming back, So she like she knew that something was I mean maybe she was maybe she was dreading that he was going to come back with a note it's over.

Of course, Yeah, I think it could.

I think she knew it could have gone either way and would have and was doing whatever she needed, you know, was.

To try and save it.

And it saved.

Yeah, lovely, lovely, But I love that second spring Yeah yeah, yeah, really good.

The kids start appreciating him too, although I will say this sweet, isn't sweet sixteen Like the very next episode, Perceval comes in.

Next episode, everything starts shifting the episode after this one, which I think is real and I did.

Love because I know I'm being horrible cook our beloved Jack Lily We've talked about so many times.

Yeah, yeah, come stop it out of my restaurant because it's terrible smoke and I go, oh, come back again, and he just ex gives me the look of the steps of death Jack one of Jack Lily Spring acting moments.

Usually he doesn't get to do stuff.

He's in the wagon.

It's like a great lady.

All right.

Really yeah, really good.

Guys, loved it, loved watching this.

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Is going to be We're going to keep that a secret.

Think we're keeping that a secret.

Okay, all right until further notice, until further notice.

Okay, good, but there is a special guest that we there is are holding.

Anyway.

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