304 at Old Trafford, what happened there and.

When you put it like that, to score that many runs is is amazing.

You've got this screen in front of you with all the data on and it said projected scores 315 or something.

I was like, what?

Jobs always at 45 or near me said how is no one smashing that ball?

Give me another guy.

There's always a little screen, isn't there around the dugout.

Oh God, that's uncomfortable.

Also, I was walking through W Bridgeford the day before the game and someone across the road shouted kick them.

Well Joss, we're getting out there.

We're getting out there.

And Andy Flower just sort of called our rooms, like, can you just meet me?

So we're sort of thinking, Oh no.

And he just walks over to us with like 2 Guinness or three Guinness, not each, but put them down and said look, lads, enjoy your trip.

We finished one, one England versus South Africa, Jose in the T20 series.

But really there's only one number that everyone's interested in, 304 at Old Trafford.

What happened there?

It's outrageous one I never ever thought I'd see the day 300 got scored and and India got 297 not long after I'd I think been asked in an interview sort of will anyone ever break 300 and and saying no.

So I was very quickly nearly proved wrong.

And yeah, to be in the team that has done it was just absolutely extraordinary.

I think it's actually talking to Mark Saxby, the masseuse, about how how days like that happen, that you don't go to the ground with any sort of feeling like we're going to try and score 300 today or, you know, any special sort of feelings that this could be the day that something like that happens.

And also, especially at like Old Trafford, not always like a really good batting wicket, but decent sized ground.

And, you know, so if it's somewhere like Bangalore or Hyderabad, do you think maybe there's more of a chance of something like that happening?

But yeah, when Phil Salt, you know, got off to such a flyer that first over, he always comes out with incredible intent.

I think it's one of his super strengths is how much he, you know, goes for it from ball one.

And actually just quickly or say in the sort of team chat just before the toss, you know, Baz actually said, you know, pointed out a few things from the the game at Cardiff that got rained off and he actually singled out salty to say love the way you took it on from ball 1.

You know, continue to double down on that.

It's one of your huge strengths and you know, just keep backing that because we're all backing you to take it on from ball 1.

So he obviously took that into the game half an hour later and yeah, it was just unbelievable.

I think we got to 100 in the power play, which is so much, but it was so much fun.

We were just lovely.

Obviously both of us playing for Lancashire, you know, knowing the conditions well and when you tapped your back down it was rock hard and just felt.

And we played.

Obviously you've had you moan about 100 wickets and you know, so very early we were saying where was this in the 100, but.

Because that was, it had that almost that perfect amount of bounce that batters love, You know that you could get under it, you could hit, hit the ball for six.

It wasn't sort of stoppy and slow, but it didn't look like I was on commentary in the in the pod.

It didn't look like you guys were talking loads.

You weren't having to say, oh, the pitch is doing this, this ball's doing that.

You were just looking at each other, really, tapping gloves and let's go.

Yeah, it was some, it's one that played battered with salty a lot.

We've had good partnership bounce off each other nicely.

He's, as I said, he's a great partner to have because you can tuck him behind him.

He always takes the game on from ball one.

But absolutely it was just, you know, tap your back, felt rock hard, not rapid though, not sort of like uncomfortably fast, like a good pace wicket that you could, you know, play your shots and hit through the line of the ball.

And you know, it's funny, isn't it?

Old Trafford would always be deemed to be quite a big ground, quite a big playing area.

But on days like that, it it doesn't feel that way.

So yeah, amazing, absolutely amazing.

I reckon it's such AI sort of reflect on it like such a cool moment to be part of a team that scored 300 and sort of sat in the dressing room.

You're in those games where you actually sit and you're playing kit for ages because you just like love the day and you don't want it to sort of end.

And everyone's sort of talking about it, how it happened and different shots people played or when did you think we might score 300?

And it's just, yeah, I absolutely loved it.

It was such a cool thing to be a part of.

Have you never been close domestically?

No.

I don't think over 260 for England.

We got in the West Indies I think, but like even that.

So you're sort of going well.

Still another forty runs and you know, where are they coming from?

And yeah, domestically even less I think would be the highest of you know, I played at Taunton for a long time and I thought that and when that was flat as anything.

So, yeah, never the IPO, obviously.

If I think the Sunrisers team were like the one you thought, you know, they they're really going to push it and they've got 28290 maybe.

So even then you're sort of like it's it's so far fetched, it's hard to get.

And I suppose the first sort of inkling I had of when it we could get to that number, I think 2 moments, probably 100 off 6 overs.

Then you're like, that's quite a lot.

We're well on our way.

And then I think we were 160 some 6166 after 10.

I've sat on the balcony thing like this is, you know, if ever there's a day this is a day like this is this is on.

And yeah, just sort of really we all started to talk about it a bit like this would be so cool if this is a day and can we do it?

And but I think it's Will Jackson, Jamie O are quite like good with their maths and stuff.

So Jacksie's like we'd be going at over 15 and over from the first over.

I was like Salty took it for 18 or that it's just yeah, when you put it like that to score that many runs is is amazing.

And I don't I don't see it as sort of like, oh, we'd have gone to Trent Bridge and if it was dry, we'd have, you know, got near 300 again.

I feel like it would it's it is quite still a.

Probably been bowed out for six to go for it.

It's quite a cricket far fetched number I think.

I don't think it would like become the new norm.

Well, I don't know.

But yeah, it was a awesome day, you know, great to be involved in.

And, and I think this team, like for Harry, Brooke and McCallum, you know, some guys we've spoke about obviously who listened to Baz on our pod about how he wants to develop A-Team and the connectivity that he wants.

And you can really feel performances like that really bring the team even closer together because you you then all belong to that sort of performance.

And, you know, you meet up in a week or two and how about that 300?

It's sort of one of those moments that I think it's quite big for a side because it it it, it double S down on all the stuff that he'll talk about, you know, being fearless, being brave, being smart when you need to and etcetera, etcetera.

And then you've got proof in the pudding that when you strip it all back and like he said on a on the podcast, you let your talent to come out and it shows what what we're capable of.

And yeah, I think salty to play the way he does at the top.

I think really, as I've said, for me, I like to tuck him behind him and after he gets off to a flyer and he really does, you know, allow, I think he sent a great statement sort of as a player for the team.

So yeah, he's a big.

Deal isn't cricket's.

Cricket's such a mad game.

She were flying, You know, you're middling every single ball, 83 off 30, I think you were.

And then you top edged a little paddle sweep.

You looked devastated when you got out because it's such a crazy game.

You've just played an incredible knock.

You're so close to 100, but also you're probably walking off thinking could have gone 160 there as well.

You know, it was one of those.

So were you walking off going done my job Like that's a pretty special knock or where you going might have missed out there.

Yeah, devastated actually, like I was.

I think it's always the thing with batting and you always end unless you're not out.

You end on a disappointment, you know, of getting out.

So, and I also remember just it was so much fun.

Like the crowd's going well, every, you know, if I'm like the non strikers, you got to get that sense like Salty's going to hit a boundary or when I was on strike, I felt like you get in that zone where you kind of feel like invincible and then all the sort of rub the greens going for you as well.

And I don't know, I always talk about, I'm sure we've said about it before, like individual milestones, like you didn't really play for them, but they are nice.

Like, and scoring 100 for England is, is a special moment.

So it would have been awesome to if I could have gone on and and got that.

And then it was actually Dil Rasheed.

I've played loads of cruel.

He's like, well, you could have got 150 on if you kept going like like that.

I'm not it's easy to say that, isn't it?

But it was, yeah, a little one down the leg side.

They tried to just tap on the head and even when I hit it, I thought, oh, that's, you know, one of those it'll be lucky.

And just a little top edge, it lands short and it went miles straight because he's sort of charged in as well, thinking he's going to have to work hard to get there and nearly knocked him over, he's pegging at it so fast.

But so yeah, the.

Time, the time I thought 300 was on.

So you did in, in the T20 stuff on Sky, you do 5 over commentary stints.

So I did one to five, which got up to, you know, 80 odd.

Then I came back 10 to 15 and I got on commentary and you've got this screen in front of you, all the data on and it said the projected scores current rate 315 or something.

I was like, what?

Like that's normally 180 and then it's like if you go at 15 and over or 20 and over, you can get 270.

There's a project current rate three.

I was like, wow.

And then Bethel came in.

Maybe you might have got out and Bethel, it was like 4 or five.

I think he's under pressure.

He's under pressure.

He's got he's got to get going.

Everyone wants 300.

He's got to get going.

And it was, it was so cool.

Like the crowd were watching those last couple of overs.

Just, you know, you're saying as a player, I want to be in the team or it was amazing being in a team that you put a performance like that in.

I think the crowd were thinking how cool is this to be in a crowd where you see 300.

There's definitely that anticipation and the cheer and emotion.

When when England finally got there, as actually as I got on comment, she had about 10 overs.

Baz had come down to give a message to Brookie, I think in the dugout and Baz was sat in the change room and he just lent into the pod and went nipping around about there.

Sign of a sign of a pretty good pitch, I think.

But yeah, I mean, T20 World Cup, all our talk has been about the Ashes, hasn't it?

Because that's what's coming next as a as a huge thing for England.

But we do forget the T20 World Cups then in Sri Lanka and and India in in February and March, big statement against a team.

Southcare would be looking at that World Cup and thinking we've got a, we've got a sniff, you know, we've got Rabada, Jansen with with the ball, we've got Stubbs, Brevis, Markram, you know, they've got some pretty, pretty talented players.

I mean, they've got got battered really.

Yeah, no, they're top side.

They obviously, you know, lost the final to India in the last T20 World Cup.

Then they had a great series just gone in Australia as well.

But yeah, it's it's great for us.

You know the absolutely all the noises around the Ashes because it's massive and you know how exciting it is with the way England are playing and everyone thinking what a great chance England have got going there.

But like you say, attentions will very quickly turn after that to to AT20 World Cup, which is going to be really exciting.

They they do seem to come around really often.

But yeah, I think stuff like that is is great for the team.

Obviously, you know, Harry Brooke taking over who played really well in T20 cricket against the West Indies earlier in the summer.

Obviously the shortened game in Cardiff, which was, you know, toss of a coin really could have gone either way.

But then to put in another great performance at at Old Trafford.

So it just feels like everything's going in the right direction.

Just building nicely actually.

Sam Cohen back into the team, another one of those all rounders who I thought he was so effective.

It was quite cool wasn't he?

He took a wicket with his first ball back and hit a six.

You know, a bit broad like when he finished his Test career.

So but yeah, it's nice.

I and just have to mention what I the last ball I ever thought he would bolt on his like return to international cricket would be a 50 mile an hour lollipop.

His moon ball.

Which is quite cool.

Good, good, but.

But he only decided halfway through his run.

Up Oh really?

Is that what he?

Said I chatted to him at Old Trafford.

I said what?

Because you know, we had him on the pod and talked about this sort of moon ball and where it's come from, how much he practiced it.

I said when did you decide to bought first ball back for England for a year or so?

When did when did you decide to buy that?

He said literally 5 yards away from delivering it.

I was running up normal and then just thought, think Brevis is going to go after me, going to go for it.

So he like changed halfway and it worked beautifully.

Brilliant.

It's like it's like, so it's so slow and Joff, he got Joff out with it in the 100 I think so like Joff's always at 45 or near me.

He's like, how is no one smashing that ball?

Give me another go.

How can no one hit it?

But I haven't seen anyone hit it yet.

Which?

Is I haven't it's.

Bizarre.

It's like, no, it does I.

Mean he goes from 80.

Actually we did some numbers on him.

He'd got a wicket this summer with a delivery in the 40's, the 50's, the Sixties, 70s and 80s.

That's pretty cool.

His next challenge is to the 90s.

I'm not sure that might happen.

But yeah, he's he's got a wicket with all the.

What do you call that?

I suppose it's all the decades.

I don't know, yeah.

Don't know it's good good for him to have, but yeah, no, in terms of just when he got blown off shot.

But yeah, World Cup coming up, they'll come around fast off the ashes.

But yeah, everything seems to be tracking in the right direction and you can sort of feel that core of the side of those guys and they're all around the same age doing the same kind of thing.

They all a tight knit group that love them playing across the formats as well so.

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Jose, we've got a question from Dave in Taunton.

Your neck of the woods.

Is this the most powerful England white ball lineup you've ever had, bearing in mind Jamie Smith, Ben Ducker been rested.

You got Jordan Cox, Livingstone Best, Will Smeed, Zach Crawley not in the team.

I probably know my opinion on this with you winning the World Cup in 2019, but do you reckon this is the most powerful?

It's certainly exciting and talented and powerful, Yes, absolutely.

And that's just the way the game is going.

Obviously T20 cricket, 100's been around for a while now, so more and more people are tapping into that power game and stuff.

So you are seeing more players like that.

But yeah, 2019 I thought we had a a really special powerful team.

You know, I think Bairstow and Roy as an opening partnership, I'm sure people can get some numbers on that.

They were formidable and, you know, so consistent, so powerful.

You look at Jay and that semi final against Australia, Jay Roy just obliterated the.

Yeah, absolutely.

They were, you know, frightening as an opening partnership.

Rooty, the glue behind that, Then morgues.

Who smashed it?

Stokes, he could smash it.

I'm coming in behind him.

Moeen Alley was so good at that time.

We had a lot of power then.

Yeah, but yeah, be a good hit off.

But yeah, it's I suppose I'm just sort of trying to back the Ogs back in the day, you know that there we had the the power back then already.

But it's certainly a really exciting time and obviously T20 finals days, you know, Dave down in Taunton is probably very happy with Somersets.

It's pretty happy how?

It ended up Will Smith just talk about.

Will Smith yeah, you've got 90 odd on on finals day, which is obviously an amazing knock and to do it there.

So there's there's loads of really powerful players around you seeing some, you know, massive sixes a bit like I said earlier about like, you know, Old Trafford being sort of one of the bigger playing services, but no one really talking about that anymore.

Like it's not like, oh, there's big boundaries.

People can just know that if you get 80% of it, it's going to clear the ropes every ground sort of around the country.

So yeah, it is obviously a really powerful line up.

It's important.

It's one of those impossible questions to sort of answer, but it's certainly a lot of talent around the country, really exciting players who can give it a good whack.

I want to put your brains on the T20, the 1st T20 in Cardiff.

I actually wasn't commentating on that game because I'd done the ODI on the Sunday and then I was going to Manchester on the Friday.

I sort of got into bed with a

brew at 9:50 and you're walking out into the field.

What's going on here?

Like, how's this so late?

South Africa made 97 for five off 7.5.

It was a bit of A5 over shootout with more rain.

Brookie called it a shambles.

Like, what was the feeling within the changing room?

Was it very much like, come on, guys, it's pouring down, it's soaking wet or was it can't let's have a 5 over again.

But 5 overs really is a flick of a coin, isn't it?

Yeah, it is.

It's obviously it's just a shame.

You know, the weather is the weather, but then the playing conditions are as they are and if you can get a minimum of five overs, you can get a game.

It was very wet, but I don't know, there's a lot of people in the ground and you know, they got to see obviously initially it was going to be 9 overs or 10 overs game, which a few of us have played in the T 10.

So it's sort of like, oh, it's got come in handy, you know, knowing how to play a 10 over game.

But it's just just different, isn't it?

It's just unique.

It was just one of those games that like it does feel a bit of a toss of a coin.

I think when it got when their innings got curtailed and then it was like down to five, you know, that felt like a lot of runs and then something South Africa could bowl two bowlers, could bowl 2 overs.

And so obviously you pick your team when you name your side, knowing that you've got to have 5 bowlers, a minimum of five bowlers.

So then I suppose down in the five over game, we're sort of bit like how could someone bowl?

You only need to use three bowlers now.

So that was a bit confusing I guess, but it was a bit of a unique game.

It was a toss of the coin.

It was something that we didn't sort of really linger on for very long.

It was just like that was, you know, obviously Brookie saying it's a shambles or it's, it's just what it was.

It was like just the way the weather happened, the timing that they could get us on the field to play.

And I suppose people saw some cricket, which, you know, was a good thing really.

You have, you have some games where you're like devastated to lose and you feel like you sort of let everyone down.

But games like that, you can't, you can't judge them too much.

Not like you can have team meetings about what could have done that better, could have done that better, because they're so rare.

You know, I think in all your career, how many five over games have you played?

Yeah, exactly, hardly any, but it's and you can see, you know, South Africa won the game.

But I think walking off they probably knew like it wasn't like a one of those hard fought victories that was like so fulfilling.

And we would have felt the same if if we were my only sort of you know, you're always looking for something, aren't you?

Like I was just my only thought was like, throw it forward to a a World Cup and you get bad weather.

Maybe it will, you know, you might end up in a group game that you must win to and it turns into A5 over game or A7 over game or semi final.

Like it's bad weather.

So that was my only thing.

Like actually you've sort of been exposed to it and we call it a a shambles.

We may never play in another one again.

But if we do, actually there might be a couple of things that you go.

I remember from last time this could come in handy or something.

Do do you think 5 should be, do you think it should be a minimum of 10 really or, or do you think 5 gives you the cricket?

And ultimately, yeah, you're right, The World Cup, if if you were in the situation that you had to win a game and you need the points, last group game, whatever, and the rules where it's 10 overs, not 5, you'd be gutted, wouldn't you?

You'd be like, get us out there.

Yeah, yeah, it's, I don't know, it's it's so hard, isn't it to to I think everyone sort of assumed T20 to start with was almost too short to like for the best team to win, you know, still one player can take it away.

10 overs becomes even more that 5 is like, say a bit of potluck, but you have to have obviously some kind of, you know, if you said no, it has to be 20 overs then for the ground and for crack, if you've got a couple of showers or something, it's like you have to call the game off and then 10 minutes later it's cracking flags.

So I don't know, to be honest, I'm not sure what we should do, but we did ask our Instagram account for some alternative ways to settle a rain hit T20 Gareth Duck said rock, paper, scissors best of 11 Jimmy Owen says if it goes under 10 overs, each captain should go head to head at a game of you laugh, you're out yeah, try and think I'd.

Quite like that to be live on Sky as well.

Just live on the telly.

He'd be a good captain for that.

Morgues would be great, wouldn't he?

Morgues just no emotion.

Absolute deadpan.

He would win the World Cup every time with him doing that and then hello, Callie has said.

We could also make it more fun by randomising the bowling and batting order, or drop the names into randomise and get the computer to choose who opens the batting and who opens the bowling.

So.

Not sure anyone needs to see you with a brand new ball in your hand.

I don't need that either.

Any of those.

Any other ideas?

You know, awkward handshake competition, something like that.

That would be good.

A little awkward handshake comp wouldn't it?

Just suit who You must bring that up.

First, actually, because Eagle Eyed Broad did notice at the end of that rain hit game, there was a bit of an awkward interaction between.

What me and what happened?

Do you know I he's a young lad, he's 21.

I thought he would be that kind of guy, but I'm yeah, of more of that kind of man.

He.

Went old.

School he actually, I think out of respect went for, you know, I'll go for the traditional and I tried to fit in with the youngster and it was just a little bit messy and yeah, actually is one of those you sort of it happened.

I was like, Oh no, that was.

And then there's always a little screen, isn't there around the dugout and oh God, that's on camera and like.

It was.

You ended up just like grabbing his thumb, Really, didn't you know on top?

How many times have you watched it slow MO that zoomed in?

I had to get the right angle for sure, the right pace.

It was one of those moments like, oh, is that is it has just happened.

Is it?

Yeah.

It's done him, done him.

He's done him, yeah.

But yeah, I think now people are going to be, I reckon because we've talked about the awkward engine, I think people are going to be more awkward around you at the end of games.

Not sure which way it's going.

So and I actually think that's going to create more awkwardness, which is, which is wonderful.

That's what we're here for.

You know, we're actually getting embraced.

Viewers and listeners sending us awkward handshake so we're not missing a beat.

We're seeing them all.

Yeah, no awkward handshakes around the world we are seeing.

I actually also, I was walking through W Bridgford the day before the game and someone across the road shouted Kick and Whale Joss, which quite, quite enjoyed as well.

So we're getting out there, we're getting out there.

We're.

Getting out there, we'll stay with us because we'll be looking at to England's tour of Ireland and giving our thoughts on last week's big interview with Baz McCullum.

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Jose, you're off to Ireland, first game on Wednesday.

I think Jacob Bethel is going to be captain scored his first ever professional 100 and it was in an England shirt any ODI which was which was pretty cool.

So you excited for the trip?

Yeah, really looking forward to it.

I think that's obviously there's a couple of big names not going, but it's always a great honour to be in any squad and you know, going to Ireland, one of those, I'm at that stage where you never know, probably be the last tour you go on of, of somewhere or I've only been there once before I think.

So quite excited for that and looking forward to playing some cricket over there.

But yeah, Jacob Bethel 1st 100 in an England shirt was was amazing.

You know, he played so well, I think amazing those kind of moments that just open up doors and you sort of everyone knows about the talent and the player and what he's going to go on and be.

And then you see it unfold in front of you, which is is awesome.

And it's quite cool actually.

Obviously at Lourdes, he, he went up to #4 you know, Bazz and Brookie were talking about, you know, just putting a left-hander up because South Africa had two left arm spinners in that game.

So, you know, left hand, right hand could be advantageous.

And Bethel went up and obviously played brilliantly in that, in that one.

And yeah, I actually went to like put my pads on when who got out somewhat the first wicket because I used it at #5 and then obviously Beth was padding up.

So I said, oh, right, perfect.

You're still at #4 again, he said, yeah, I'm #4 so and then obviously went out and scored a, a brilliant 100.

And I'm sure you've seen that picture of like Rudy with him like 10 years ago or something like, and then they score 100.

Because their dad's played together.

That's right.

Yeah.

So 10 years later, you know, scoring 100 with him in the middle at the Rose Bowl, which is quite amazing.

But yeah, I think he just, you know, he's done what we all know he's capable of.

He looks so assured.

He's very planned.

He's very prepared.

He's got flag.

He's Got Talent and yeah, he played great.

So isn't it?

It's a huge moment for a player as well to because he knows that he can do it.

You always need that moment though.

Don't you like to just say, yes, I belong?

Like, yes, I've not necessarily proved it to everyone else.

You've proved it to yourself.

And also when you come back in the dressing room, haven't got your 100 and is the way people look at you and how pleased they are for you and how much you know it means to so massive, massive moment for him and great one to, you know, go into your captaincy sort of with I suppose it got the confidence of the way you're playing, playing great cricket.

That's always a nice way to be as a leader when you feel like you're your own games in in good order.

So.

It felt like a big 100 because, you know, obviously Got Talent, but we're just getting to the stage from our point of view in the press where we'd heard a lot about him, a lot of great things coming from the changing room and Rob Key and Brenda McCullum and you've talked so highly about him.

But we're just getting to stage maybe as fans that we hadn't seen it.

You know, there was all those stats about he'd faced 400 balls since April and we're in August or something, you know, just hadn't played any cricket.

So how can you judge a player when they're not having the opportunity or you're actually seeing anything to to go, yeah, he's a really good player.

So I think I was asked on Sky like, is he, is he is he an amazing talent?

I said, I don't know.

You've heard it's, but I actually haven't seen enough to know he's not played enough.

He's not he's not scored 100 professionally just to know how good a player is.

But but then you see him at Lords and you go, OK, he can play.

And then he goes and gets 100 at the utility ball in Hampshire and you're like, oh, wow, in 21 years old taken on.

Yes, it was a second string South African attack at the time.

But he took him on and played quite wonderfully, setting the tone as well as back in first, you know, having to having to set the tone of the game.

So I think everyone, England now realizes this boy's a talent.

It's amazing because he plays at the last Test against India and looked slightly out of his depth.

Just maybe like out of rhythm, out of form, just haven't played.

Almost dragged the energy out the Test match and we ended up losing it.

And then he plays that knock and it's it's got plenty Ashes and he's got to play.

You know, it's just amazing how the mindset worked.

I remember reading an article where it was Bethel has to bat 3.

Hang on a minute.

4 weeks ago was everyone was saying, oh, he can't bat.

He can't blame the Ashes, you know, So it's amazing what a performance can do.

And for him now, yeah, he'll, he'll be full of confidence and he'll just want to keep playing, won't he?

It's one of them now he's now he's scored some runs.

It would just want to keep facing balls, keep keep in a rhythm, go to New Zealand, score runs and then put some pressure on whoever it would be in that batting line up to to to get him for the Ashes.

Yeah, that's absolutely exactly just played just because it was a spare batter in that Test series and nothing.

And that's thing you have to as well, like McCallum and Key and these guys are good at reading into the outside noise.

They know what they see, they trust their judgement.

And you know, there's no doubt that Bethel was going to do the things he's he's doing.

So that's great for him.

So and I think you talk about like talent.

I remember first seeing him in the West Indies, I think.

And you sort of like you watch someone bat in the Nets and within 10 balls you're like, wow, proper player.

Like it's one.

And it's not always the way.

Actually.

You sort of then you have those young players that are like that and then you have guys that over time you realise how good they are.

But Bethel was one of those like instant.

He's hit 10 balls, his shapes up so well, played a couple of like pool shots against someone bowling quite quick in the Nets, proper player.

So yeah, he's just sort of, like we said, doing everything that people believed he was going to go on to do.

So yeah.

So it'd be great to to be out in Ireland.

Yeah.

Any, any plans, Jose, if you, if you got lined up knowing you imagine.

Well, actually Morgues told me that you shot 3 over before the Old Trafford T20, which you're a really good golfer, but you're not a three over golfer.

You're like, you know, that's proper golfer for you, isn't it?

I know that's, that's a joint PB for me, which is, so I had this like new set of clubs, you know, I'm very excited the first few times I've used them, you know, terrible.

And actually the Cardiff game, I thought the weather forecast wasn't great.

We probably won't play it.

Got 6 hours to kill, only goes to the driving range.

So I actually like sort of snuck out there.

I didn't really want anyone to see me.

So I've sort of snuck out the hotel into an Hoopa to the driving range, another hour at the driving range with my Airpods in.

But did you ever go on a trip to Ireland?

Do you have a tour out there?

I did.

I can't remember if I played any cricket over there.

It was the 2009 Ashes that had been 5 back-to-back tests like busy and we'd finished.

Must have been on a Monday.

Lifted the urn at the Oval.

Bit of a party and then I'm sure that sort of evening we either flew or the following morning maybe it's drive home, get our blue pads and and fly.

So we'd almost taken the same sort of squad really.

So Jimmy Anderson and I were there having played quite a lot of cricket and from me and Andy Flower, we were sort of a bit jaded, a bit tired, almost a bit sort of why after the Ashes of of low, we flown to Ireland to bowl again type thing.

And Andy Flower just sort of called our rooms like, can you just meet me?

We're staying in a hotel, can't remember the name of it, but had a pub in the grounds of the hotel.

So he's like, you just meet me in the pub at 7:00 PM.

So we're sort of thinking, Oh no, are we in trouble?

Like what have we done?

What's happened?

So we sit there and he just walks over to us with like 2 Guinness or three Guinness, not each, but put them down and said, look, lads, you're not going to play.

Well, what bit like what we're doing here.

You're not going to play, but good to have you around the group and just enjoy enjoy your trip and the disappointment of being told you're not going to play to then catching eyes with Jimmy that were in Ireland not shy of a Guinness.

Sort of guaranteed that all we're going to have to do is carry the drinks for a few days.

As was quite fun, maybe slightly unprofessional, but quite fun.

But yeah, that that was so I don't actually know.

I mean, I definitely played against Ireland.

I don't know if I played in Ireland, but I've, I've been.

On tour to Ireland and sounds like a tour, yeah.

So no, that's nice.

But broadly, obviously we had a great guest on last week, England coach Brendan McCallum.

I was a bit nervous inviting him on.

Obviously being coach and being a player is all a bit of a different dynamic.

But yeah, we've had an amazing reaction, haven't you?

So thanks for all the comments on that.

Broadly, what was your sort of takeaways from having bats in the studio?

He was amazing, wasn't he actually speaking to him for how long we did, having played under for two years, There were the things he said that that just made so much sense, but I'd never heard him say that like it.

I think sometimes with his coaching style and philosophy and the teams, people can think, maybe not that much thought goes into it.

Maybe just so relaxed because every time the the camera catches him on the balcony, he's just like laid back feet, feet up, laces undone.

So you think how much is going into that?

But he's he's very sort of the right word, like controlled with what he says the direction, you know, definitely that he has 100 meetings a day, not one big team meeting in a in a team room.

But he's constantly working on the players figuring out even that salty thing that you said at Old Trafford got out for naughty at Cardiff, but calls him out in the team meeting of in the huddle of love the way you're going about it.

Used to do that to Johnny Bestow the whole time.

Johnny didn't get runs.

Johnny would get a mention.

You know, it's just little psychology things.

And I've yeah, I had great reaction actually, but slightly embarrassing moment.

I was driving got higher car and driving Morgan around for these T 20s.

So we get in the car and my phone hadn't synced up with the Apple play for some reason.

We wanted to listen to the football, so I was driving so more so you mind just sorting out my phone?

So he pings it up and it comes up on the screen.

Last thing, listened to our pod For the Love of Cricket with Baz McCullum.

And it was just that moment of he's just seen the fact that I listened to me on podcasts and I had that, well, you know, it's just good to listen to to see how it sounded and you know.

Just remind myself but.

But honestly, I was just driving up to Manchester, which is, you know, five hours or something, and I thought, you know, I love the interview.

I just want to hear what he said again.

And I really, really enjoyed listening.

Listening to it back.

You know, we've had some wonderful feedback on it just on Spotify.

After listening to that, for now, I feel like I could win the Ashes on my own.

Christ knows how anyone with talent must feel.

Bring on.

I won't say that word.

Bring on the Aussies.

Yeah, nicely played.

We had Sports Live 3652 on YouTube.

Said England are honestly so lucky to have him.

One of the most down to earth authentic coaches in the world of cricket.

Could keep listening to him for hours and even the Aussie great Matthew Hayden got involved.

Said great interview, loved watching and playing with Baz and now listening to his insights as coach.

And I think we've also had Matthew Hayden will walk around the ground naked or something if Joe Root doesn't score 100 in Australia.

So.

David, feel a bit.

Not sure how you feel about that.

And this is his daughter replied to that I think too.

Rudy saying please score 100 but.

I think everyone should have texted.

You 100 for for the that absolutely, but no, I think it was cool that wasn't having bad.

So I think he's one of those characters.

He's always a bit of a hero of mine, so it's awesome to be coached by him.

He's sort of just drawn towards him.

You love listening to him talk and actually in the for the podcast, like you say to have an hour or so to just actually listen to the depth of it of I thought that was the coolest thing.

Because you see, you know, he rarely does the interviews, doesn't he, with Sky and stuff.

And it might be the end of a series when they do more of a 10 minute kind of section, which is quite cool to listen because you get more of the detail and the depth of, as opposed to just saying Baz Ball and sort of like you say, the screenshot of him with a sunny Tom.

So, yeah, it's actually made fascinating.

So they say to listen to the the depth of thought that he has, how calculated, how clever he is with his use of language.

And, you know, and that's also how he said he finds spazzball just disrespectful to the hard work that everyone's putting in.

And sort of the way we play is sort of.

So that was, yeah, pretty cool.

But, and I also note that he's very aware that like he doesn't just believe that his way, his way is the best way and will work everywhere.

He's very sure on like coaches have a style and stuff and whether it lands with a team or not is you know that the big thing.

So it's not like he's his way is the best way and the only way is the way that's most authentic to him and he feels like he can get the best out of players.

But.

Yes, it felt like, yeah, that's part of the reason he took the job, because he felt that the England team or style could suit.

Yeah.

Him.

So yeah, I felt like now he's obviously top tier coach, he'd be quite specific with the roles he might take.

Yeah, I think and I think it's right, you know like certain the same with players, isn't it?

Certain players playing for a certain coach in all sports, you know, seem to be a different player under 1 coach and to the other.

So, and I think that's the same with coaching, you know, it's like, say you can land in a certain team and it might not work for whatever reason, but I don't think he'll ever change his philosophies and styles and how authentic he is, which is is obviously one of his great strengths.

And it's like the timing and the opportunity, like said, to become England coach just seems, you know, as an England fan was so lucky that it all sort of the stars aligned and and you know, it's obviously been a great few years with him, him in charge so far.

And just finally, we've got a great question from a listener Deepak in Birmingham.

Dear Jose Embroidy, can you suggest a remedy for the end of season cricket Blues?

We played our last match on Sunday and I feel bereft.

And I certainly feeling it's getting to that end of term time, isn't it?

See guys in the pod with the coats on and the scarves on and well, yeah, so obviously the weather is September's been nothing like the great summer that we had.

But Deepak, there's so much to look forward to.

I think you've only got a month or so of get on your sofa, get the highlights of that India Test series on, watch England smack 300 in AT20 and then without realising you'll be watching the Ashes.

So I think that's pretty much a lot to look forward to.

I hope you had a good season as well, saying you played your last match on Saturday.

I know you know a club who had a good season broadly.

Yeah, I'm the old club, Edgerton Park Crew club in Melton Mowbray, famous for our great tease back in the day, the home of Port Pies and and all that jazz.

But yeah, first team finished second.

So promoted to the the Leicestershire Premier League for the first time in donkeys years, I think since I was trucking in bowling dobbers nipping them around.

Second team won the division so they've been promoted and the third team first time.

For 30 years I've had a third team got promoted regularly.

I'd like 914 year old kids playing for the third team, so that's.

Strong season, that.

Scenes that the the, you know, guys are wanting to play and and and get stuck in.

But yeah, thrilled Fredston Park.

And yeah, it does have that.

I don't know, I always used to feel quite sad as a player when that season.

Was I was going to finish you?

What is it like?

Obviously as a player for so long and now like you're in the broadcasting world, when the summer's coming to a close, is it like the same feeling or is it like?

Yeah, like, so the skybox on Sunday, obviously it's pouring down.

So you've got producers and you know, the guys we'd sat with all day, NASA, Wardy Morgues.

Theoretically I won't see them in the sky box till, gosh, when England, New Zealand, maybe in June.

So I'm, I'm going to, to Australia to work for, for Channel 7.

But that's the only bit of sort of work I've got throughout the winter lined up.

So yeah, you, you spend all summer with these guys, like 60 days I think.

And then it's you shake hands that see you next year.

Really.

It was it's a bit strange.

So that definitely feels like that that end of season.

Obviously we've got a bit of championship cricket absolute belter of a Championship game this week, not Nottinghamshire versus Surrey at the Oval.

There's one point in the Championship.

So if Notts can go there and and get a result, even if it's a draw, it all goes down to to the last last game.

It does anyway unless Surrey go and get 4 points.

But yeah, quite I think that's quite exciting for the Championship that it's gone down to to that level.

The blasters fish, yeah I always watch the Blast final and players are buzzing to do and the people have got like 3 coats and woolly hats on.

I think it's almost played a bit too late in the season but definitely feels like with the weather we've had when we're arriving at football season and and ready to watch the cricket on the telly.

Yeah, certainly that kind of time.

But it's been a great summer, hasn't it?

I think it's been obviously an amazing weather.

Very rare day was lost to rain.

Obviously in the last little bit there has been, but we've been treated to a great summer of cricket this one, and thoroughly enjoyed playing in and watching and I'm sure you've loved, loved broadcasting on.

Absolutely.

Yeah, it's been working.

Think it highlights, gosh, England, India, one of the best series.

We talked about that for ages.

The 100 kicked off 300 late in the summer, but 300 in AT20 is a huge highlight.

And if not, I'm sure could win the championship and we can all have a big party.

That's all for this week.

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Our next step will be a special Lathe Weights Q&A episode where we name the next Fab 4 Test batsman and Brody tells us the time he dressed up as a milkman.

Cheers.

Until then, goodbye.