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Yes, lost culture data, Lost culture raised us calling.

I don't know that I've been more excited.

And this is the thing we're already getting along.

I'd say gangbusters with our guests love.

I can't believe she's here either.

It's like staring at the sun.

I can't it's hello Sunshine.

I can't look at the guests.

I want to say, hello Sunshine is our front runner for title event.

But we can't do that.

We're gonna find it.

Do you remember yesterday when we were talking about iconic line reads of our guests.

Yes, but that's every day on most days.

So on the red carpet at the Culture Awards, someone asked us, like, what's an iconic line from cinema history that like jumps out right now?

Who is was it?

Mark Malkin then asked that no, it was Vulture.

It was Vulture And I go, what, Like it's hard.

But and yesterday I said to you, this is what pings and palms in my brain.

First any time I opened mail, anytime I opened mail, this is what you ready?

This?

This is it?

Bruiser?

What's this?

Bruiser what's this?

What's this?

But anytime I open an envelope, I'm telling you the reason I bring it up is because I actually know what it is.

Okay, this was maybe the culture that made me say culture was, which is a big statement on this podcast, that being the central question.

Pleasant Phil Oh, our guest.

First scene, she's on the phone talking or her friend and she's talking about what out she's gonna wear for a date.

And she's discussing wearing one particular thing and she goes, it's not slutty.

She looks in the mirror and she goes, it's fun.

And I saw myself.

You just channeled.

You just channeled the muse.

I channeled constantly.

I'm always channeling our guests constantly.

It's true.

Our favorite show is back.

My favorite show is back.

Thank the Lord.

We got the screeners.

We watched episode one and then Matt Rogers steps way and goes, how many how.

Many did they send?

I just asked off, I.

Said, the whole season.

I've never seen you happier.

I think I did a backflip.

I think I did a Tom Daily Officer board gymnastically moved the furniture in the hotel room that we were saying, that is the.

Thing I do when I get nervous.

I moved furniture.

Furniture was I was rear.

I was interior designing the hotel.

The Hotel.

Morning Show Season four is now out now that this episode is out September seventeenth, the same day as the new incredible season of The Morning Show.

It's giving everything you've wanted it to give.

And I have so many questions for our guests about the rip from the headlines nature of it, because they can't possibly have guessed some one thing that happened in season three that then happened in life.

But suffice it to say that our guest today is an Oscar winning actress, an Emmy winning producer, a bonafide pop culture icon on the list of the Iconic four hundred twice as herself and as a character, which that doesn't really happen.

You know, this is such a great moment I lost culture history because our guest is.

We love you so nice, I'm so excited to be You're so happy to be here.

Oh wait, no, this is so this was the moment where the wheels started turning about this moment happening.

Yes, there's two means ago or one emy ago.

I think that I like b lined for you in an awards show and I was like, going, when am I on your podcast?

Like how did you even do it?

Without me exactly?

But the way you approached me?

Do you do you remember what your initial line was?

It was the most race thing and I immediately texted this one.

Afterwards we go in for a hug.

You whisper in my ear, well, hello miss culture resta.

I died because that was too much.

That was the moment I knew the podcast I'd gotten at.

Telling love.

He did?

I think you face?

You were like shaking, who is it?

I was like, don't tell me it was Reese?

No, Like it was like you had a party, need to invite me?

It was so rude.

He's so happy.

It only took like fourteen publicists later, and were you two short years and eighteen hundred emails?

That does?

It really does feel.

Like they really slow the wheels of progress?

Well people, Yeah, I know because you did.

Because the biggest gug was you were like dm me and I was like, I guess you could just dm R.

You can well.

Not ever not everyone.

Yeah, that show at that moment event yes again, and he was so sweet.

My son is the cutest.

I told him I was coming on your podcast.

He goes, come on, come on, that me so fun.

He goes, tell me what the building looks like, and what the studio looks like.

Really into buildings and studios in studio.

He's now he's into you guys have pop culture.

And he loves the way that you said plice of their taste makers.

Of course you love that.

Oh oh my gosh, that is too.

I mean, well, just to talk about that, I will say, you know, in thinking about like this episode with you, I really can go back to one of them.

I think first, really formative memories I have of going to the movies with my mom and my sister.

We sat down I remember where we sat in the theater.

It was like on Patchog, like on Long Island, and we went to go see Legally Blonde.

And it was one of those things where I'm sure you have this like you see the movie once and you know every line, like it's just one of those things.

Those kind of movies just are sticky.

Yeah, sticky.

Yeah.

Did you you're playing Eltwood's like you're doing this character, You're on set, you know that everyone there is great, but are you thinking, like what are you thinking doing it?

Like, like is this okay?

Well, let me get my timeish because it was twenty five years.

Ago, and that also has to be kind of sreal.

It was so surreal.

Well, it was a new mom.

I had a little baby, my daughter on set, and I just remember I took comedy really seriously, like it was not a joke.

I had studied Goldie Hawn like my life depended on it for that role, and I studied her in private Benjamin, and then I studied comedy like you would try and cure a rare disease.

It was so important to me.

I watched SNL religiously, so for me creating a character like I had just done it the year before with maybe two years before, with Tracy Flick, it was really important to me that she had a very particular way she talked, a very particular way she walked.

My early career was a lot about building characters.

It didn't have a lot of self awareness.

They just were like a.

Bullet through the world, you know, determined to make their mark and determined to reach that goal.

So that's what it was like.

And we had our I think twentieth year reunion of Legally Blonde, and all the lovely cast members were there and we all got in a zoom from Jennifer Coolidge, Blake Wilson, and Selma Blair and they were all like it was like kind.

Of fun, but it's hard to remember because it was like a job at the time.

Really serious, Like I was a very very very serious young person.

You have to be.

I mean, I mean it all translates to the final project, but like this is why like people come to us and now, as you know, and like you expect it to be like riffing and like everyone's just improvising and just the chemistry is off the charts.

We're there to like turn the page and read the script and like hit our marks.

It's technical and also.

In your brain, aren't you thinking?

I got to think of something that no one else is thinking of totally?

So my thing was always how can I be contrary?

How can I play this?

How no one else would play this?

Totally?

Because that's what.

I'm here to be original, not be basic.

And there were one hundred ways to play Elwoods, So I was like saying it done it not doing that.

Of course, So if you thought she was going to be bitchy or spoiled rotten, now she had a really soft center.

If you thought she was going to be dumb or say the wrong thing, she was going to say it laser sharp and really crisp words and say it with daggers.

So I was always trying to startle people with the switch, right, you know.

But it's interesting that you bring up Tracy in the context of Tracy and al and that early stuff.

Like I would say, there's a common thread there where it's like underestimation.

People under estimate them, and like what is what is that relationship to ambition?

Like does one breath the other?

Do you need the other thing for it to happen?

Yeah, well, I think ambition threads through all my characters because I don't know.

I just wasn't here to do average, And I.

Feel like a lot of people can relate to that.

I wanted to be.

It's not like I want to be the best.

I wanted to be original.

I want to be wholly original in this world.

I want to make them laugh harder.

I wanted them to cry.

I wanted them to think they understood the smartest girl in school.

She was actually a little broken inside.

It's beautiful, you know.

I actually modeled Tracy on a girl I went to high school with, and I didn't know a lot about her personal life, but it was really important to me as Alexander Payne and I were building a character, I was like, she needs to have a moment with her mother where you realized her mom's a single mom and she like curls her her every day and she's living out in her mother's broken dreams.

Right.

And there's one scene, but it cracks the whole thing for you, like I can't make fun of this person.

Sure, you're right, but you and alex built that together, like that scene.

Oh yes, he yeah.

I mean he's incredible about understanding the day to day lives, the satire of living in Middle America but also having big dreams.

But maybe your dreams are just to go to Northwestern, right, you know, or like run for city council.

It is.

I have read the sequel, yes, so, because I'm a huge election fan.

Like in fact, we ran into Matthew Broderick actually at SNL fifty and we ended up seeing him twice and both times I said, I just watched election.

He's like you told me.

I was like, it's true, I did, because I frequently returned to it and I watched it again after I read the novel.

Is that in play right now?

Is there is that?

Is not something that's like, where is that on the list?

In terms of well, well, yeah, I don't want to say too much, but there was a.

Full up novel we're seeing about making a movie.

Because it goes in a really interesting direction I think for people that care about that character, and it ends dark and it's it's, it's it's I'm really interested to see how it keeps going, because yeah, it's also a comment on the fact that when you're someone that super ambitious, one of the things that can happen is you don't meet that ambition and you then that is a really sad thing.

And I think one of the.

Smallest thing can derail you.

Oh yes, and she gets derailed by something, Yes, but you can't stop the internal monster.

No, she couldn't help she can't help herself.

And so basically one of the things I think is the most heartbreaking about the first film, I'm already talking about it as if it's true.

I guess I'm Manifestation, which is the the sudden after she's lost, the cut to just how heartbroken and devastated that she is.

And I think that's when you realize how much work you've done.

And it's interesting to look back that she's sort of an antagonist of the movie because she's antagonizing Matthew Broderick.

But when you look at it now, when you think back and you look at how heartbroken she was and what she went through going up to that, it feels really right for revisiting.

I think so too.

Yeah, there was a whole The New York Times I think it was Ao Scott or something about ten years ago went back and watched it again and.

Said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait.

Yeah, this is like a high school girl, Yeah, groomed manipulated by her science teacher.

That's not what I remember that movie.

And that his peer got mad at her.

You like, yeah, And Matthew Broderick's character, mister McAllister, was actually complicit.

His friend groomed a teenager, you mad at her and just decided to destroy her.

And then she got a smoothie thrown at her at the end.

God damn it.

D d Z.

That first shot of Tracy they're shooting at her hand is like iconic cident.

It's lasting.

That's a that's a good shot.

Do you know what I mean?

No, I don't know what shot you're talking about.

Like when you first see shoot up like oh and on your face being like a little distorted.

Yeah, it's like it's meant to humiliate.

This And do you know what the question is?

Who knows the difference between ethics and morals?

Love it?

Wow?

The journey?

I love it.

No, it's an amazing script.

It is incredible, and you're a part of so many of those.

The impact that you had not the beginning of your career, but after it had been going for five six years, it felt like you had like these not even just like successes in pop culture, but also like critical hits.

So it's like there's Pleasantville, which I think is so many people's favorite movie, it's one of mine.

And there's obviously Legally Blonde.

There's cruel intentions.

So I would imagine that like, as you're going forward in your career, does your team like at that point, are they just like, let's just keep you busy?

Or are you when you look back at that point, are you were you always someone who was like trying to pick and choose what the next movie.

It was always very strategic and it was me and my manager, Evelyin O'Neill, and that was it was just turnying.

And then what was the planning, Like, what was the initial conversation behind let's do let's do this Hello Sunshine thing.

Let's actually that is the taste.

Okay, that was a different iteration of my life.

So Evelyn and I that was my early career, and then I decided to kind of go my own way when I was thirty four and the business had shifted a lot, so I don't want to get into the nitty gritty with the DVD business left, right, and so all the development of films about women were kind of the mid range budget and that's where it just went away.

So they weren't developing things for women.

So I thought, Okay, if I don't take this moment to start developing for myself and for my friends, right, incredible shame on me.

First of all, I'm being so successful and then not doing something about the lack of storytelling for women.

So it was a moment where I had to meet the moment, and I was really scared because also truthfully, that ambition thing is not always appealing to everybody, you know, of course not.

Well, that's why a lot of I think the characters are people blanchet them at first, they learned to love them because they learned to understand them.

And but you're right, it is well.

And it's like for all our ambitious listeners out there, sometimes you rub people the wrong way, and people know that.

Every ambitious friend of yours knows.

It's irritating to feel that, like, come on, let's do more.

Let's do this, and we can do it, and let's throw the homecoming all together, and then let's do the class project.

I'll take over everything.

It's an annoying character trait.

Then what's the way out?

Like the way out for me?

And it was learning to not be embarrassed of it, making peace with it, and going, I know, I work harder.

It's just how I'm made up and it's not my fault.

And how can I use that to harness more people and rope them into things that I think will be but official for them instead of just serving my own agenda, which was making my own career.

I thought when Hell Sunshine began, I was like Oh my god, this is my opportunity to widen the net, bring people into a family of storytellers.

And that's when my whole life changed.

Yeah, I mean truly, I think that there was like it did feel like there was this like incredible second phase for you, which started with producing Gone Girl and then being in Wild.

And I've always wanted to ask you about Gone Girl because that was the Was that the first big title that you had produced or yeah.

That was the first book I ever optioned as.

What racer jackpot that is?

It was crazy.

We read it in galleys, we read Wild.

I read Wild and Gone Girl in Galley's.

My producing partner was Bruno pop Andrea, and we were like, these books are amazing.

Yeah, I had no idea they were going to be within six months.

They were number one, sitting next to each other on the New York Times for months and months and months, and I was.

Like, the book, Yeah, shitn't that's this up?

No?

I think that was the perfect one to puntry you.

For one to not be a van project and for one to be a vehicle for you.

Does that make sense that because that is what I think you innovated and established.

John it's like, I'm going to be a woman, actor, actress, whatever, and I'm going to start my own production company and it will be holistic in that way.

I think it could have gone.

It might not have been sticky if we're going to use that word like that's it just not would not have stuck if it had been one thing.

I agree, And they were both substantive, right, They were about what we perceive women as, how they subvert that.

Gone Girl is the ultimate like mind and Fincher just killed it, and Pike is so diabolical, and Ben Affleck is sort of the.

The rube on the other side of.

It, supporting cast to Harry Coon, I mean, don't forget, and also our friend Kasey Wilson, like that was one of those.

Neil Patrick Harris.

Oh, again against type and playing with a lot of against type stuff.

And I did want to ask you about that particular role though, because I had read I think a lot of people that you know, follow this stuff that you had been attached to do Gone Girl, And then after a conversation with David, you guys decided that maybe the audience would have had a gauge on you already or like what was that conversation.

How did you feel about it at the time.

Well, yes, I had optioned it to star in it, and I was supposed to star in it.

There'd be a whole chapter of.

A book one day about Gone Girl because that started my producing career.

But it also told me, hey, nobody's happy for you to have this producing career.

Nobody wants to hear wow.

And David sat me down and this is not on David.

But David's like, you're totally wrong for this part and I'm not putting you in it.

So that was at first had and you are probably like, hold on a side, dun.

Well, because I had all these conversations with the writer Gillian Flynn and she was like, no, I'd really like you to do it.

But he was like, you're wrong.

And that was first of all, an ego check for me, like, no, you're not right for everything.

And he was right, he was totally right.

But why was he right?

How did he rationalize that to you?

And he didn't have to.

He's David Fincher.

He's like, oh yeah.

He literally says that this is you're wrong for this part and I'm not putting you in it.

I'm asking like what he said, like, did you get an inkling of like, oh, because people will project onto me all of their preconceived notions about me as an actor.

I think that's probably for him.

Yes, I brought an audience with me.

Sure that likes me.

I remember, I remember saying, we've talked about this.

I'm not sinister diabolical, isn't That's the thing that would have been this sir, exactly, like not to go back in history and fight with David Fincher in my own head because the movie is perfect.

Perfect, right, And I mean it also started to start, really started a whole other type of career for her too, which is like a estimate to the producing of that movie.

Yeah, And I think it's important.

Producing also means get out of the way when you're seeing this, you know, get out of the way.

Do your job to promote, continue to pull people together, continue to build creative groups so that the ultimate result is the best work that it could possibly be.

So that was a lesson to me.

But behind the scenes, a lot of stuff happened that was not cool in terms of like my credits and dah da da sure, which is so boring, But it took me till Big Little Lies So Big Little Lives was like a year later, and Nicole and I produced that together till people started taking me seriously as a producer, because honestly could not get traction even as a producer, even with those hits, with those three Oscar nominations.

Yeah, it was really hard.

That's wild.

It's wild, no pun intended, but especially because I feel like Wild in particular, the whole story, the whole narrative was like, this was a film that she produced alongside Gone Girl.

But that performance, that performance is just like it is a three sixty and it was so different from what you had done.

I would imagine that felt incredibly vulnerable, And alongside this statement of I'm producing this was that the moment if you look back, that are one of the moments where you felt like this is a watershed thing like that had to be a high anxiety moment.

Yeah, oh my god, so much anxiety.

But doing Wild was a reset for my whole life, my whole career, which was great for me.

I had to work, visit, I couldn't talk, you know, my superpower is talking really best.

It was mostly backpack.

It was all contemplating the earth, and yeah.

The realism of that movie is kind of the sort of correlarator, like everything you had done up to that point.

Also, you let out one of the great screams.

Yeah, I'll never forget the whole Yeah, that was opening scenes in movies.

So did you end up watching it on the plane last night?

Okay, I'm so glad.

It's not a hardship to watch your movie.

Twist my arm watch what was intense?

Though?

Yeah, that is an intense It's an intense one.

And of course there's that god the heartbreaking scene where you discover that your mother has passed and that you weren't there.

And then great Laura during.

Talk about.

Was kind of where I was going.

So was that the start?

Were you friends with Laura before that?

Or we met on that movie?

So you met on that movie, because it does.

She was doing her dest scene one day one she's dead.

I walk in.

I'm like, she was like, I'm going through divorce.

I was like, just been through one.

Let's get into let's go.

So then there there beg beg friendship and it does feel like you guys are like sisters.

Oh my gosh, we are so connected and we laugh all morning all night.

I just FaceTime her this morning.

I was like, going on with call Teresa.

Oh my god.

I was like that, No, I just met her, so it was like it was it was a two second thing.

But I was just like I didn't get time with her, but I was like, God, she really similar to you.

It's like like she will always have that other place in your mind where it's like I once saw you on a screen and you changed my life.

And you are walking around and really producing the show that the Palm Royal Show, like really there on her day off, there in the nuts and bolts, and it's really amazing to see because you guys bring perspective that is not usually there.

She's just so encyclopedic about her understanding of film, television performance, how movies come together.

She's a savant ye and she's also lovely and kind and humble.

Yeah, but she can't viscerate you in a scene.

And You're like, some of my favorite stuff I've ever done my whole life was scenes between Madeline and Not on Big Little Lives.

I'll never forget.

I'm letting it rip at each other.

You better not cancel my daughters.

And I was like, I'm going to Disney on.

Ice to God Avenue Q being like these temple plot points in that show.

I mean I will also say, like ye show perfection, it would know it really was and talk about again like yet again like just watching everything about it.

I mean like in like just the shots of the crashing waves, et cetera, white lotus, we see you, we know what you got that from, but that you have to feel like that probably opened so much up in TV then it.

Was such that was a watershed.

Yeah, not just for you but for television.

Yeah, but I think because a group of that esteemed level actresses doing a TV show was unheard of.

Also, just like Nicole myself and.

Laura and Zoe Kravitz and Chailey Whenley like all in our friendship, you heard more about our friendships than you heard about our work or what it's going on with their kids, Like who cares we're best friends angry at each other?

It was, you know, it was just.

The inner workings of female relationships.

And I think the really beautiful thing about Big Little Lives is it's actually an entire show about domestic violence.

Yeah, and it had this again, this emotional residence where you think it's this frothy thing, right, but it's actually something very very real that happens to one in three women, and so you could laugh about it, right, it's funny.

I tend to my grudg's little pack and scenes with me and Laura amazing.

We're in a totally different show than Nicole Kimmen and Alexander Scarnard, absolutely, and it all comes together at the very end you're like.

Holy shit.

Well.

I think one of the really powerful things was the dichotomy of like, there are these women arguing about this play and literally blocks over there's this thing happening, and so yes, there diferent show.

It doesn't tell us, but it is in one reality, and it is also the reality, which is that these things are happening.

And the shock with which you guys received that information, but the immediate way, you know, to protect and act, I think was so powerful.

And certainly all my female friends, that all our female friends that we talked to were just like so empowered and emboldened by the fact, like we will have each other's backs and that that's what that show was about.

And we'll also have joy, and we will also have laughter, and we'll also be petty and then we'll make up for it and.

Still get into it afterwards.

We're gonna do it and we're gonna have this great life together.

But truly, yeah, I feel like that combination of the frothiness with the weight of something is to transition into the Morning show.

Is is the thing that we love about Morning Show.

We've made a lot of light about like the campiness of it.

Obviously we write it but's so good, But especially watching this season, I go, you need the campiness.

I think they're ridiculous.

You need Bradley Jackson going to space in order to talk about these things that even TV now doesn't want to tackle, like the pandemic, like the fucking insurrection, like all of these really fucked up things about the world.

You know.

Like I think was that like the vision for the show the whole time, because it also mimics the dichotomy between morning news shows, which we've had experience on now, where it's like, Okay, we're going to talk about a war going on in some place at any given time, and how do you fold a handkerchief.

We're going to find out the best way used to plunger.

It's like it's so good that it's like that's life now.

So I think you're right and you call it campy and soapy, but for me, it's like, where's the the human experience?

Right?

So if you you're talking about really earnest subject matter, you have to lighten it up having like the news producer and the on air.

Athlete talking about like why why were you late a work today?

That loved that scene by between Oh my God.

Between Karen Pittman and Karen Is.

I mean, like she's so special.

I know, like we are Karen Pittman superstans, and she's also one of the most stunning individuals on planet Earth.

And like Helen of Troy.

Y'all, we both were up in Nashville, really a rock.

She went to the one girl's school to the other girls school.

And same age, exact same age, coming out together, and we finally met on the first season of Morning Show.

So we're natural girls and oh I love this great.

I so celebrate all her wins and she was on and just like that, she's just killing it.

She definitely is.

I feel like the thing too about about the Morning Show that like I was referencing earlier, was when you did go to space and then a matter of ten eleven months later, we see the Blue Origin.

Yes, what did that feel like?

Because they're just forecasters, these writers.

It's Simpson's level.

They predicted it.

It's odd.

Yeah, it's odd because at the end of season one, in the very last scene, Alex Leevey has a melt down and Cameron she's like, screw this bullshit, and there's and I'm talking about Right before she says it, I'm like, and there's a mysterious illness on a cruise ship off the coast of China.

Yeah, and then literally within six months it was COVID.

That episod aired before COVID.

I know, crazy, I don't know.

There's some weird woo stuff.

So they said that's the whole season of the show, of the new season, and we freaked.

But now I'm like, oh gosh, what's what's it going to pretend at the end of the season.

That's going to befall us?

I don't know, But I just love I love the tone of the show.

Like it's just it's so fun, it's so enriching.

Every character is like rich now in the fourth season, and even the new entrances like Marion Coti is just so perfect in this And when I heard that she was cast, I'm like, what is that going to feel like?

And she comes in and she just brings all her marion ness to it, and it does feel she feels impenetrable and untouchable and very you.

Know, her family owns the entire network now along with a lot of other assets.

In summer sort of maybe a little dubious unsavory, and it comes around, Yeah, she's sort of the queen of this empire's family empire, and that if they're doing some shady stuff.

Yeah, and she's doing shady stuff all over the don't get me started about episode.

Eight, maybe it's nine, maybe it's not.

See a penultimate episode.

Just wait, that's where the real ship goes to.

It's Selene.

And I said that her name was Selene.

I was like, that's just perfect, of course it is.

Did you name Bradley Jackson?

Who named Bradley Jackson?

No?

Our original writer Carrie Aaron wrote, Jackie Jackson, it's unforgot a very newscaster.

Totally, but newscaster out of like a rural like network who is then spotlet on national television goes back.

It's like it works both ways.

Yeah, you know it's true and ambitious and ambition a threat.

We clearly do.

Are you a news junkie or do you or did you feel?

Have you always been?

Are you?

No?

But I like to read very specific things about technology.

I'm really interested in technology.

Biomedical innovation is really interesting to me, and and marketing is really interesting to me, Like how do you consume?

Like figuring out what consumers like?

I love it and.

Why and why?

Culture?

Culture?

How does it move markets like Taylor Swift moving markets in cities when her production comes there and economies grow.

Let's talk about that.

Oh yeah, that that's interesting to me.

Why do people like certain people and really can't stand others?

Is it better for people to for you to be controversial or no one cares about you?

Is the it is the Q rating they run diagnosed.

You, guys.

I guess maybe you do?

Maybe do wait?

Might want it?

Okay, you won't want that?

Do you?

Guys?

Like data?

Do like?

But the right?

I mean there are some little flames that I don't want to touch, you know what I mean?

I find it really fast, Like I don't want an ORR ring, Like who am I going.

To do with that ring?

So you're not woo woo.

Let's talk.

What's it giving today?

My resiliency score is down to adequate because we were on a red eye.

My resilience my grip.

I gotta get my grip score up, I mean my sleep score.

Listen, she she tracks the naps with eerie precision.

But what are you doing with this information?

Like?

Does it make you feel better?

How would you become more resilient?

How?

I Well, it gives me knowledge that I've trended downward, right, so I really got it.

Okay, let me be more intentional about my sleep.

Let me be more intentional about my like working out in the morning.

Let me be more intentional about time to read, which I want to ask you about.

Like it does give some shape to the outlook of the day.

Okay.

It gives you a readiness score based on your sleep, based on your activity the day before.

Okay.

But if something woke you up in the morning and said, you're so tired, you look really tired?

Are you tired?

Sleep?

God?

Why are you tired?

I have data you are one tired?

And how are you going to.

Feel for the rest of Today's so susceptible.

It will tell me how to feel.

We'll be like, oh, totally.

I didn't sleep.

I don't have a crown.

I think they give you a crown on the score if you are.

I don't even know.

That is just like human behavior one oh one.

They're trying to like, you know, and you're letting them.

But the tone is actually quite gentle, like the rest place today actually doesn't.

Then I'd like to know your saltiness, your sassiness, saltiness like there should be how much crap can you handle today?

So this is it's like if you if you did like go on a bend or the night before and you only got like whatever three hours of sleep, it goes.

Maybe think about taking it easy.

It's very gentle.

Okay, nice, sobriety.

You need sobriety.

No, No, it's loading it up right now.

But that's what I say.

It's it's never been like fingerwagy, you're not doing so well?

This loads up.

Well.

It's also how you hear it.

Yeah, it's true.

How you take criticism.

I just window in me, don't take it well.

Well, I was going to ask you that ever, like as someone who's like a metrics like and but also a sensitive person, as a result of like what you do.

I've always been like interested in this people that are very produced oriial and people that are real.

You know, you're a business person and so, but you're also an actor, and so you maintain a lot of like openness, vulnerability, sensitivity in order to do what you do.

How do you balance those two things as someone who's like out there publicly as a product in a way that we all are, but also someone who markets that product, Like how do that?

Like, how do you walk that line and maintain this?

Okay, Well, well that's a good question.

It has different levels to it too, because when I'm in work mode, it's a full different personality.

And that's where I've kind of been for a while now, the acting I have to switch on.

I have to kind of tune out what's happening in the business and then but I knew if I didn't tune in to the business and kind of level up, I wasn't going to make change.

You make it or you may get lost.

I would get lost.

But I also just think not enough of it.

Like I wasn't an executive, but I had to become an executive in the last nine years, and I don't enjoy it per se, but it's important if I want to affect change and actually create a company that has enterprise value in a market and see where the ball is going in terms of media.

So I have to pay attention.

To all that.

Yeah.

Well, even so outside of those things, it's like I think with Hello Sunshine, you've like created the trend of actor starts production company.

Great, but that's but what you've always avoided, which is what's common, is that an actor starts production company as a way to be a boom to the changing.

Tides of showbiz.

I don't think that's ever been true for you, maybe in the beginning when you were having to like prove yourself quote unquote, but now I feel like with the pipeline of the book club, you have this way to create taste.

You are a taste maker more than we are, to be sure.

So like, what is the difference between like, how do you like changing that dial?

Has to be a very intentional, very difficult thing.

Well, I think taking some of the intense spotlight I had as a very young person, and I learned a lot about marketing through sitting about meetings, people talking about me like I was a product and they were like, well, it plays well in Russia and Brazil, but it doesn't play well in Japan.

And I was like, you're talking about me?

Yeah, why did they not?

Okay?

So I had to learn the deeperson.

I don't know, and I don't know because they haven't met me.

But no, I started to learn about how audiences receive information when things trend this way and that way.

So as I started thinking about a book club as a business enterprise, right, what were the advantages?

First of all, being first to market on having read something ahead of time, and then going to those authors and saying, first, you did the hard work, you broke the back of the story, These characters are indelible.

Can I help you promote it with this spotlight that I have?

That's all on me, But can I shine a little bit on you and help you out with some marketing stuff online?

And then also, if you feel inclined to give me the first right of the option.

Let me know.

But there was never like you have to give me an option in your book.

So I wanted to clarify that.

That was a lot of people say, oh, she got the first right of refusal.

I didn't, but people were so appreciative of the marketing.

And then I also said, if you give me the rights, I'm not going to stick it in development.

Hell no, I'm going to work my ass off on it for two years, and if I can't get it made, I'm going to give it back to you, you know.

And we had a great success rate from little fires everywhere to you know, big little lies, to morning show to Last Thing You Ever told Me?

And now we have another new one coming out with Anya.

Taylor Joy called Lucky, and it's been great where the crowd is sing Yes.

Is it that you're looking at projects and you think, oh, this is something I really want to do with Carrie, This would be fun to do with her.

We always joke this podcast started out as a way for us to have a playdate, yea once a week and you're looking at you you see these things and you're like, this is my playdate with Kerry Washington for real?

Yes?

And I get to play with my favorite people, and you know what a gift and also empower them.

We all get to make something together and have a blast when we're doing it.

So it isn't I don't mean to diminish it and say it's easy because it's really hard work and long hours, and but geez, it's like reaping the rewards of thirty years of hard work.

It's like it's a I love my job.

I love it.

You can tell.

It's so clear that the authors.

I'm just such a nerd.

I read constantly.

Between reading about technology and biomedical stuff.

An hour a day, I'll read that, like while I took coffee.

Some total of the day, how much of it is reading?

Because this is what I want a kind of engineer in my own life.

I'm like, I gotta read books instday instead of scrolling on this.

I know, and I do think people are kind of getting off the phone and saying, like touch grass read a book, told paper, I read an hour at night.

I read an hour in the morning and an hour and at night, and then I'm on a plane the whole plane ride.

Yeah, so I can get through a lot on planes.

And how much can you ever stop yourself and just be like, I'm just going to enjoy this book and stop thinking.

About who should play this female ly?

Yeah, you know, go to be amazing in this.

Cooper, Yeah, as a female lead.

Kidding, but there's no I think in cinematic terms.

I'm always casting the movie in my mind.

Nothing.

It is so fun.

Nothing wrong with that.

Speaking of the mind, let's take an odesty into it.

We're going to ask you the question that we ask everyone on our show, which is what was the culture that made you say?

Culture was?

For me?

There's just like so many things came outo my mind when we were talking.

I know, I bet.

I mean when I thought about it, you know, when you first asked me, I was like, was it this?

I mean, I remember when MTV started, that was a big deal in my childhood.

And John man Jovi or JDJ as I call him, came out with this music video called Living on a Prayer and he wore these thigh high red leather boots.

And you would think resources not like into guys with thigh high red leather.

Oh.

Yes, it was a moment.

It was a moment and I had a lot.

There was a long kind of feelings about that, and that to me was like MTV Movie Awards and Video Awards were huge of my childhood because I grew up in a little town in Tennessee and I was seeing people like talk about, you know, gender fluidity, whether they were talking about it, or they were just exhibiting it.

That was cool.

They were edgy, or like Gwen Stefani came out with I'm Just a Girl and she had this ska song about how women are always sublimated and ignored and underestimated.

I was like, that's my yeah.

But as you're sitting here, I was like, oh my god, I know what culture was for me.

I remember being going with a group of friends to the movies and seeing First Wives Club, Oh, and seeing Diane cuton Yea, Bet Miller and Goldie Hawn do that dance at the end.

Well yeah, and I was like, I think I was the only eleven year old watching it, like.

That's revenge yea.

Their unhappiness is joy and they expressed it through song and dance and on a huge screen saying you.

Don't know me.

Yeah.

I was like, this is it.

That's it.

I used to rent that from Blockbuster all the time, Like I can't believe my mom just wasn't like, oh, my son's gay, like cause it was like I was like I was renting it from Blockbuster all the time and watching it and I don't remember like the rest of them from that time, but that scene.

That scene.

By the way, your blockbuster strategy was culture like on Friday Hit.

Were you like the basics that like ran for the new hits or were you like, m I think I'm gonna go rent blue velvet.

It's by data lemb what I would do.

The Writer Film Festival that I was, Oh.

There was I'll never forget walking down the aisle and I saw Batman Forever and Nicole Kidman had her Veronica care and I said, I know something about myself as a result of the way I'm reacting to this picture.

And I took that movie and one day when she sits in this seat, I will tell her that that doctor.

Chase her hair is seared into my consciousness.

Yes, it's a core memory for her.

Her like it's like it's like a noir scene and she gathers up her her like limons and she goes over to like you know that the curtains blowing, and then Batman comes and they're having this scene, and I'm like, that might have been a little bit of an awakening for me, to be honest with you, that was my block question.

Like it's all coming back to me now.

It's like like women at a window with linens.

You know, linens and blowing in the breeze.

Yeah, that was my But your blockbuster strategy is your culture, because it would be like, are you gonna go to the wall with the new releases where it's like ten twenty copies of one thing?

Or are you gonna slowly peruse the aisles?

And I'm like nine years old, I'm going, what's the deer Hunter?

Like?

Not like like Deerhunter?

Well, and I was a Goldiehank completed, so it was either Overboard or Wildcats.

When I had to go to Overboard and then I could get I could always get a group of kids to kind of watch what I wanted to watch.

I was considered like still producing them.

I was like, you guys just don't know follow me.

It was huge, huge, Yeah, she was huge.

And went on a writer was huge and I felt like I felt like I knew her.

Yeahure Overboard I almost had to wait.

That movie is everything.

It's zered me.

But this everything the end of First Wife's Club is like this light that's refracted into three different beams among those women, and you had you could choose all three of them to model yourself after, Like even for us.

It's like, I want to be all of them.

Well, in your light, your life wasn't a result of what the bad relationships that had happened to you.

It was what your friendships that were gonna help you rise above and overcome.

And how interesting I came back around for.

You, I know, and you know who knew that.

We just talked about it.

We do know.

It's funny.

It's like someone said to me one time, like you'll look back on your career and you'll see you'll see it through line.

And so it's funny.

You talk about ambition being a through line, you talk about female friendship being a through line, and to be where you're at now and know that those things have stayed consistent but also inspired people.

That has to be really really, really really special.

Yeah, And I feel lucky that I continue I get to do it.

I get to continue to do it at a really high level.

What's really fun people is really awesome.

But I had a friends say.

To me the other day, she said, you know, do you feel like you were born with a finite amount of stories to tell and you've told a lot of them.

Why would she say that?

Oh?

She was an author and she's probably sixty one or something, and she's like, I feel like I'm kind of rewrapping every story, but it's always the same theme.

But that's okay.

Yeah, maybe we're.

All here for a purpose that you have to find, as Oprah would say, you have to find your purpose, you know, or what like do you know the themes of your storytelling lives?

Not?

It's coming into focus, okay slowly, And for you to say that, like, like when would you say that?

It came into focus for me until I was thirty four to thirty five.

We're at that age basically, So it's weird.

That, like people pleasing starts to diminish and you start to go, oh wait, what I've been doing.

Is kind of good?

Is I'm kindling?

Right?

Like I've had one success and it's building on another, and now it's time for me to slip into ali ship role and start being and you'll start to see I mean you probably already seeing this.

People are looking at you and going what do you want to do?

Instead of going can.

You please cast me?

Or can you please put me in exces?

And so you have to spend that good look at me like life coaching your head I feel something.

I like, you guys are super creative, and it's important that when you figure that out for yourself, your life opens up in a beautiful way and you start to go on a different path where it's like, Okay, I'm only going to follow those those threads that serve my real purpose and let people into my life that are helping that purpose.

It's funny when you know yes too, because it's like, I feel like when I was younger growing up, like and I had that moment where I was watching the Oscars and I was it was I think I was eight years old.

We always talk about that same that Titanic Oscars, we call it.

That was the moment I looked in the screen and I was like like, oh, I'm not supposed to be here.

I'm supposed to be with them.

And then you get in the industry and you understand more about it, and you work and you get the awards thing, and you maybe even get to a point like you where you win the Oscar, and yet it's not like you hit the jackpot and won the game and now the rest of your life is roses.

You still had struggles after that Oscar in terms of being taken seriously as a producer, is that that must have been something that you really felt, like, I've won an Oscar and yet still you know what I mean?

And you hear that over and over and over again that there's a curse, but there's like, what are they going to open a magic you know, vault with the great scripts that they've been waiting to give you.

No, it's not.

It's actually it's.

An opportunity to start creating your own right.

But I didn't understand that and it took me four years to figure it out.

Yeah, because you're thinking, after you win the Oscar for a walk the line, it's incredible.

Yeah, you think it's gonna get easier.

They're gonna all of a sudden, I'm gonna be where you know so and so is.

And then all of a sudden you say, wait, who am I talking about?

Is so and so?

Because we're all here women in Hollywood even at this level, and it's not like there's like this abundance.

Right, and yeah, exactly, you nail it, and there is an Oscar curse.

I think it feels like I mean, I think there's empirical data at this point.

Yeah, for data, people people there were people who like, you know, but it's interesting.

I guess it's interesting what ultimately does give you that satisfaction in purpose.

It's like, of course whenning the oscar probably felt incredible, like I would love to win one, but you know that it's about what you can provide to people and what you can like be a part of that really affects change.

Probably someone coming up to you that watched Big Little Lies and said I felt empowered to say something, or I asked my friend if they were okay, you know, or I made sure that I just hang out with my female friends more as a result of watching that.

That probably can give you something that an oscar never comes.

Oh my god, morning show people talking about I was harassed in my workplace and I have a voice, and you illuminated in the show, and now everybody at work is behaving differently.

Yeah, so a lot of the way our amazing friends who work in the corporate world have to walk through a lot of sublimation and humiliation or just it has radically changed in the past seven years.

And was boarding structures and harassment is actually like that's not flirting, that's actually like leave me, I'm interested and.

Even the jokes about like can you believe we can't do this are now met with like, shut up up, you know what I mean?

Like I've been how many times, like when you get cast on a new project, you have like, you know, the sexual harassment training, and it's the people who are like I can't believe this.

When I was on fifteen years ago, it's like, okay, dude, okay, like listening to yourself.

I've had people roll their eyes during it, and it was usually people who were harassing people exactly.

But I can't tell you I like your sure, and it's like, no, you can tell me you like my shirt and you know the difference.

Yeah, And so the fact that you're stunting on this right now is inappropriate.

But then people want attention.

Real, you know.

But I think Morning Show is great too because we get to watch things shift.

Right.

So we were there during Mean too, we were talking about workplace harassment.

Now we're here talking about the mano verse and the rise of the male podcaster having massive influence.

Perfect in the Great White is amazing and he has, you know, this ease and charm about him, but he's also kind of a.

Good old boy.

It works that character too, and so I think it's it's great that we can talk about journalism in this way that you know, we're not attacking anybody, but we're just sort of illuminating how disturbing it is that people are getting their news sources from people who are maybe not experts and the things are talking about.

Well, that's one of the biggest problems I have with I mean, in our in our podcasting community.

When suddenly a lifestyle podcast or a comedy podcast host thinks that they can have a politician on their show and have a real conversation with them, I just don't think it's something that we should be doing.

We're not qualified necessarily to do that.

Well, do think it's port to say that?

You know, during the election, we were pitched Democratic politicians to come on here, residential candidates, and we had to pass because I was like, I think then I would have to and Bowen would have to follow up with some with some topics, and like, I don't know if you want this person on our show, right, I don't know if it's best for us to do this.

It's so good to trust your instincts, because again, what is your purpose here?

Are you having great political news.

No, we should make people happy.

Guys.

You make people happy.

Yeah, exactly like having your own award show.

You watch it, you guys come on.

With that.

We just sort of try to make each other laugh and if we do it, we just all of that.

And did you tell people like guests that they had to come on to accept their awards?

Well did they just want to?

We so behind the curtain.

It was our amazing, amazing, amazing team to help us an amazing I can't I can't.

Believe you watched it.

I can't believe repeated some clips.

So we're very fuddy.

You're invited any years.

The thing is like I literally was thinking.

I was like, no, the first time we meet rees has to be like this.

And then we're going to open the box anyway it's there, but no, we just know we like.

Look, it was a lot of work because it was just the two of us plus two writers, which is very understaffed in terms of award show.

It was we wrote all the presenter copy, all the speeches because everyone was like, we don't know what this is yet because it had been so we had to write all the speeches.

We like, we did everything.

How long does that take you guys a couple.

Couple of months.

And that really challenging part was that moment.

And this is why I like it's great to talk to you is because then you suddenly have to be like, oh, I'm snapping into be talent now, and now we have to learn Abracadabra by Lady Gaga, my god, the dance, and that's when I that's when I finally was like, I have an anxiety problem and I'm getting on plaw okay because this Abrica dabra dance almost took me out?

And so can we talk about our relationship to anxiety?

And like, yes, can we?

Because I want to hear tools that you've learned and what I've learned.

And it's real you talk about I'm a high anxiety person, okay, And.

So I'm actually really happy to hear you say that because sometimes I think when someone talks about themselves as ambitious and I identify with that, it's sort of what people don't say is the amount of anxiety that sometimes can be driving that ambition or accompanying that ambition.

So even just to hear you label it as being as your ambition being a symptom or how do you think of it?

I mean anxiety manifest itself depression because it looks like anxieties times too, so it can be really highly performance space, like you have to perform, you have to show up, which is a lot of my anxiety.

So I used to have panic attacks, bad panic attacks.

Like crying, and I tried meditation.

It's hard for me to listen.

I also have like smady d stuff, so I can't listen to stuff for very long.

Honestly, this sounds so crazy, but I worked with a hypnotist who also did in no medice.

I took medicine.

Sometimes I'd have to take at a van to calm down, and then it would make me feel like a zombie.

And then I wasn't informing.

That's depressing, and I wasn't performing at the level.

I wanted to, and I wasn't as funny.

But by the way, PS, if you need medicine, please take the.

Medicine very individual.

Don't be a hero.

Yes, and I'm not a doctor.

Don't need to put that little thing a doctor.

But I started doing some work about with a hypnotist and she actually works with the same called neuralin linguistic programming, so it's called NLP, and she helped me realize that I was going to get to the same results, but I could get rid of all the anxiety.

And yeah, when was that.

I was thirty thirty four imaginal.

Five and so this was this was I think, I've well, how long we've we've been now, like like engaging with the center real way for like what two years a year each?

Yeah?

Sure, so always thinking like what if I dull myself or you know what I mean, lots of our friends with mental health stuff.

Like I don't drink too much and then I was like, why am I doing this?

I don't feel good or I taken out of van and I was sleepy or so that actually changed my whole life.

And I want people to know anxiety is real.

And when I see girls going through it, our guys going through and they post videos and they're I'm like want to hug them.

I what makes want to cry because it's very real and you're not alone and you can calm yourself down.

There's tools to calm yourself down.

I mean, there is no magic, single solution.

I think it is just you finding like on an individualized level, like the matrix of things that can help you through.

I don't know, but the cornerstone of that work is understanding that you're going to perform at the same level whether you're stressed about it or not stressed about it.

Yeah, so decide to take the stress out.

And she has a lot of exercises where you talk to yourself after you've completed the task.

You've done this show, you're walking backstage, you guys are like going, you're reviewing, and you're happy, and so you kind of just tell yourself ahead of time, we're going to get there.

The way I process it is actually who I am and how I show up as a leader.

Sure, but the cognitive script that you have to undo, which is I'm sure the work that you did is to go.

But now, I mean the way that I do it, even if I like the anxiety and the stress is just the way through.

That's the journey.

Like, like, at what point do you believe that to be true, that like you don't need.

All this stuff in the middle, that you will perform at the same level.

When you can let the compliments in.

Ah, you hear that my big issue.

But just sit down at the end of the night, maybe even like just circle certain texts or take a screenshot and like give yourself a moment and let it end.

Yeah, because you really are that talented and you really really deserves where you're at.

And but even if it's just quiet and private to you totally, you know, one last thing before we move on.

I don't think so, honey, And I would have always wanted to ask you, Okay, yeah, I would have always wanted to ask is And what we kind of maybe brought up earlier with the book club, it's like people assumed that like you have the like you have first look at everything, right, that must be a frustrating thing.

And that is probably two things.

One's the estimate underestimation that we've talked about, which is another through line with the ambition.

The other is people projecting things onto you, Reese Witherspoon, this accomplished, high functioning, beautiful, charming, decorated person.

But then but then at what point does that like work against things at a certain point?

I don't wait, No, that's not everything there is about me.

I mean, people assume things about me.

I don't know what they assume about me.

I don't understand it.

I don't club it's like the book club though it's like, well, she must get first.

It's like they just assume that you have these things at your fingertips when you have to work hard for them.

Yeah, I think no, I think like the joke is out about me that I work.

Really no, I don't know if people assume like things that.

What really gets my oat is people assuming things about my friends or women who are in the spotlight drives me up a wall that you think you understand someone's emotional experience when you have never met them, yes, and you project things on them like sometimes I'll get on my comments about people my life who've had kids and people in my life who haven't head kids, and there's a massive judgment there on either side, right, and it's just not cool.

Yeah, we need to not do that too, And don't assume that people don't have any consciousness about children even if they haven't given birth to them out of their body of Christ.

You know that really bad?

Oh, that's that This whole conversation that's like, this is so leary.

I mean, I thought I was coming in to do I don't think so honey about something very light.

Well, remember when you said before we get into I don't think so, honey, I have one more thing.

You fuked up because I have one more thing.

Now, don't think that you're going to come out lost culturist.

That's the podcast and we're not going to at least bring up Big Little last season three.

All right, so as you go, okay on look down, I just feel like we do need it, and I would like to ask in a real way about like how much brain space that takes up for you on the on the on the day to day, and like what we thinking about we talking about I mean.

The idea of it is so exciting to me.

And then this is where my anxiety and perfectionism and ambition comes in.

Yeah, for sure.

And I don't want to do it you, of course it does.

So I'm not going to give it to you guys, but you know it will be Chris.

Can I say, and the best And I like I You're just one of my like number ones, and like, so I will say Big Little Eyes Season one, episode six, The scene with you and Catherine Newton where she's out on the hammock and you're going to over to her to confront her about the fact that she's going to like sell her virginity on the internet, and when you tell her your secret about the fact that you had stepped out on Adam Scott, that to me was just like that was like rece That scene was like there was so much fire in their spirit and there was vunerability and that there was there was all this Like I just think that's character is like the character that you were like porn to play after all of them and you've done You've brought so much to life in these different ways.

But I feel like Madeline Martha Mackenzie is like that's that's like the one, and I just hope that in season three she tears it up.

Thank you.

That's what I'm going to say.

I have that big little lies.

That's that's Madeline show.

Well, I'm gonna pick your brain for cool set pieces too, because I think what's important too is, yes, you get all the wonderful in our personal dynamics and you get all the friendships and all the great women, but we really live for our set pieces too.

Oh yeah, oh god, whether it's.

You know, the trivia night where we all dress like Audrey Hepburn or we just got girlfriend and daughter, So those are really important to me too, and like it all has to cook into this beautiful, delicious meal.

It has to be perfect.

I mean, they do such an amazing job.

You all do such an amazing job at picking those places too.

I remember that you guys wanted to go get coffee at a place one time.

This is when you have the scene with Meryll and she reads you for being short, like I just like this outdoor coffee spot where you ordered an Americano.

I was like, I want to go order an Americana at that place.

I love everything about that show.

The fact that the show was so yummy that Meryl was like, yes, I want to do it.

She was like.

Tracy was like me, you brought Meryl to TV?

Nicole did?

She called Nicole and she was like, I gotta be in your show.

And that's how I would imagine.

And you said something one time.

I think it was when you were giving a tribute to to Nicole where you were talking about how like Nicole calls and she's like, you've got to understand.

This director, we must get her that she does say stuff like must go in a girl's trip, I have to have a tequila, we have to we must.

She really does yeah, she really does.

She needs and she is.

She's like you and I were the property girlies.

We love to buy properties.

Please, She's totally right, great folks.

Seventy three questions, by the way, get.

Real estate questions call us?

Did you really do that back flip on that trampoline?

And that was really because for a second I was like, did that this in vogue?

Ye did?

Yeah.

I was a gymnast when I was a little I was a diver in a gymnast.

You were a diver, you were.

I was taking big risks and it was a very small.

Statue, very big gymnastics for your uneven bars, queen.

I was more floor beam beam, so scary.

All the short queens love beam because you know, low center grapty.

My sister was too tall to be doing gymnastics and we would just be white knuckling into the girls going down like.

Just legs and arms and legs was.

Good for her, sorry, Charlesious.

And there's there's symbolism in that.

Okay, it's not for I don't think so, honey.

Yes this is I don't think so honey.

It's our sixty second second Moore, We take a minute, which really, if you crack it down is sixty seconds to rant and really take down something in culture that's been gunning us.

And I was thinking earlier about like you know, how you see the threads in your work.

This kind of feeds into what I'm saying.

Exciting.

Okay, okay, this is Matt Rodgers.

I don't think sony as time starts now, I don't think so honey.

People telling me I can't say y'all, I can't say y'all even though I'm from Long Island, New York.

Yea right, you is a catch all because I'll tell you what I'm not doing, folks.

I'm not doing folks.

I can say you all you guys like of course you guys is like you know, it's it's it lives inside me.

But I can say y'all.

You know who else says y'all bowen yang every now and then.

Also, don't come for me for code switching.

Okay.

Co switching is how I survived.

It is the theme in my work thus far.

I'm sure it will remain.

It's true.

Code switching for professional survival and social survival.

And y'all can relax fifteen seconds because I am not gonna stop saying it, probably because also Kelly Clarkson is one of my formative cultures at the age of twelve, and she was like, y'all, y'all, y'all on I am recond idol and I did imprint on her and Reese is here and I've made it clear how much I love her.

So y'all, I don't think so, honey, And that's one man.

Y'all's big for me.

That was so good that thanks, But do you know what I'm saying, Yeah, y'all belong to everyone.

So national noted.

Thank you Nashville queen.

All right, so you're allowing it?

Yes, of course, open up the gates.

Open up the gates now.

I just remember at Sweet Home, Alabama when you got to the dog's grave.

You know who loved that, Roger Ebert.

Roger, I'm telling you, I'm I'm like, I have the bibliography.

How do you know?

I love you?

You're amazing.

You know you're my favorite.

I think you know that Roger Ebert loved that scene of me crying over my dad.

Talk Sweet Home Alabama in his review.

I remember this from when I was reading like the reviews, like way back when it was like Roger Ebert was like, I think he gave the movie like a two and a half star review or whatever.

And then he was like, but the thing is Reese when she gets down and she does that, you'll like that speech to the dog.

And I was like reading it and I was like, Mom, we have to go to the movies.

We have to see Sweet Alabama.

She's like, okay, no skin off my back.

No, yes, of course, y'all know we're studied the bruiser.

What's this I'm telling you is that's a deep cut obviously.

Ellewoods speaking of I've got my own things.

So okay, here we go and I and I'm swinging big and this might not go over well, but I'm gonna.

I'm gonna do it, and you are allowed to respond however you would like.

Okay, he's a chemistry major from n Yu.

Before we get into it, okay, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

Elle Wood's pronouncing it ammonium thiaglocolate when the pronunciation is ammonium thioglicolate theo glicolly.

I fucked it up, too, Oh you so how damn I like Elle.

I was a chemistry major and I couldn't even do it.

So I guess I have no fucking leg to stand on.

And Elle herself with her working knowledge, the rules of beauty are care finite.

Any Cosmo girl would have any Cosmo girl would have known thirty seconds.

I think for that to be the punch that threw Chutney in jail, love you Linda, Oh my god, we love Linda in this house, I think the impact would have been even greater.

I think it has thrown industrial chemistry in disarray since the year two thousand because they have not known how to pronounce this name.

That it's thrown even me off.

And it really was a bump of the road of ice chemistry education.

But I could never be met at Elwoods.

I could ever be met at Reese.

It's one of the best movies of all time, and that's what I meant.

I'm so sorry I fucked it up.

But see Emmonium.

I Glockley lives in my head forever now.

It's how it's pronounced.

Was it a topic like did you guys talk about it?

We did not talk about it, but it's like you you must understand that it did confuse the community.

It's like, how do we pronounce this chemical?

This module?

I mean you were influenced that I was correct twenty five years later.

But you know, el Woods is a fashion and merchandise major.

Sh She's not.

Oh I have a four point now wait, but I want you to know.

Also, did you know they show at n y U I went to dramatic writing school a Titian m Yu.

They show the opening sequence of Legally Blonde to show how to establish tone of passed.

Really yeah, it's like there's like a whole scene and like just every of the girl riding in the bike, and it gets you bruiser, what's this?

And then you open it up.

They show that whole thing, and we did a whole day about how like that is a perfect way to establish the tone of a movie and get the audience ready for what's to come.

Oh wow, yeah, I think that's so great.

But yeah, I can't even watch the beginning of the movie because they replace somebody my hands with somebody else's hands and I can't look at it.

And that's just my little side scoop.

You understand, I need to just I mean this isn't my things.

I can't.

I don't think so anybody.

It was like hand doubles that don't look like the humans, like I can't.

No, I spend a lot of time picking feet doubles.

You.

I also through me.

With ad R.

Whenever I see something as even a little bit idio.

No, I mean like you're good at it.

But when you when I'm watching it and like I can tell thing is ad R, I'm like out.

Yeah, totally, yeah, that's hard.

I think I think we're pretty good at it.

I just did some and for I wasn't even supposed to say that I'm on it, but I did.

Sorry, just comes out in a little you know, people excited, we want to keep.

Doing it.

Was so I'll show you a picture of my It was so, oh my god, they're going to be mad.

But it was so like rich.

I was like, Wow, to be on a set that like a period has a budget like this is crazy.

You know, the costumes the same person as Big Little Eyes.

Okay, I was gagging for the costume designer.

She didn't say that.

Though, Yeah, oh my god, she's amazing.

She's helped like Laura darn and she worked really close yes, for years and years.

I'll tell you after.

And I mean the looks it looks for.

That was one of those shows to where it's like they're going to do a measurement fitting and I was like, Okay, cool, I think I'm going in for a fitting every every single of your everything that I was wearing a fully espiedo in the whole thing.

So I was just like, Okay, I don't know if we needed this.

They're like, they're gonna make your glove set everything.

I just again, I was like, I need those measurements for.

Something, your gloves size.

Though I don't think I do not off the top of the dome.

Not off the dome.

I'm a fifteen neck all right.

Anyway, we gotta get you out here because you have to do I don't think Sonny and this is gonna be iconic?

Do I really.

The first person ever to not do one?

And that could be iconic?

You get anything to do.

Don't put that thought in her head.

Okay, she has something, she's got something.

I mean, you're kidding me.

That is topics.

I'm just like, which one's George you?

Oh yeah, Well, I'm.

Like I'm picking what's right for today.

Okay, because like what's on my mind is when I came in there's like somebody that came up to me at a party and was like said, said something terrible my friend.

I'm like, no, you're gonna tell we're gonna be friends.

Let's go, let's go.

This is.

But then like I also want to talk about is like people who bring smelly food on like the trains and on the airplane and like oh okay.

Okay, and if you feel thirty seconds.

Also, I have another thing, which is like standing in line for a cinnamon roll, Like why are we doing this with our lives?

This?

I think this, I think cinnamon roll, cinnamon roll.

Okay, yeah, do this and know the form is yours to break.

Okay, if thirty seconds in you want to talk about your friend, do that up to you.

Here we go.

This is Reese Witherspoons.

I don't think so, honey, her time starts now.

Okay.

I don't know why people do this, but why why do you stand in line for like a cinnamon.

Roll you saw on TikTok.

What like a special food or something like you should touch grass, you should touch grass, you should read a book?

Oh, like you know and I have friends who will spend all day searching TikTok is like a search tool for places to take a picture, places to eat special foods, and they will stand in line for hours and hours and hours and hours for sour dough bread, and I just can't.

Can't is that they want to stand in line secretly, but they don't want to tell people.

No one ever wanted to stand in line ever for anything ever, and especially not a bake good like no, Like sometimes I get it about like those beautiful drinks that have like the frosty meringue tops, like that's cute and it's gonna look cute on your feed.

Cinnamon rolls are not cute in pictures.

I don't want to see it, and I really don't want.

To hear about it.

Five seconds, Okay, I really don't.

I also want to stand in line for lip gloss, the one that does.

Feel like something that is not in my culture because it's never had to be but lip gloss.

It's to be standing in line.

Get a grip.

What's worth standing in line for?

Ooh okay, a really amazing once in a lifetime live performance.

Yeah you know, like somebody you are really moved.

By what's your favorite concert you've ever seen?

Well, the thing that's coming to mine is, oh my god, come on, so many things.

Well, Gwen Stefani when I was twelve, Yeah, no, I wasn't.

I was like twenty when she came.

What am I talking about?

I saw in Minnesota.

I was making a movie with Paul Right.

It was called Delivery is a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible movie.

We had the best time.

Sarah Silverman was had one line in the whole movie.

She was hysterically funny.

That's when we made friends.

And it was just a time.

And we were in Minnesota and it was the beginning of SKA and girl punk and just all the rising talent and it was really fun.

And I went and saw Gwen Stefani in the tiny, tiny theater love it and it was cool and she was just a girl, but she really wasn't.

She did Coachella last year and it felt like and it was no doubt, so it did feel like we were back.

It was it was just.

The way she was, like, I'm just a girl, yeah in the world.

I mean, it was every feeling I've read.

Yeah, she was a total beast, is a total beast.

She contained multitudes.

Yeah, yeah, of course, and a strong red lips always and.

A pony and I just can't it was small.

And also what what What blew my mind was realizing she was having to bleach her hair all the time and she still has it.

That's weird.

That's a mystery.

I had a bleach blonde moment all of last year and would have gone falls out.

She's burnt, so I don't know how she's doing it.

But you're still to this day.

Sponsor, Well, listen, this has been.

Oh my gosh, you guys, and I feel so glad we finally did that.

And like, trust me, when he and I had to chase.

You down, and just for the record, I chased you guys.

Listen, No you did not.

It was it was not.

You did not need to convince us.

It was the easiest.

Yes, I facetimed this one the second you parted.

We just never think someone as cool and talented and busy as you is going to come spend time with us, and so we are so happy that you did because we have to tell you Morning Show is like it's one of those things where it's one of the only things I get, like super excited to wake up.

I'm like, oh, there's a new one, and now that we have all of them to binge, Sorry y'all, y'all don't but but we'll still be keeping updated and it's just as much fun as it is every year.

And if I only.

Came on this podcast for one reason, it was to watch you guys Connect Morning Show, the new iPhone, Taylor's Fist album on the color of orange.

Well that all happened, aw Mike, But we did get we did get it right, and hey, we got all of it.

And then you hitting it with the iconic whoever said orange is the new pink seriously disturbs.

I mean I saw truly hannus Angora sweater.

I talked her how to buy the most truly.

Okay, well, maybe we have to come back and talk about.

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