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It's me Matt Rogers And in the words of another Christmas icon, it's time.

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You in my heart XO XO Santa Boy.

Look Marire, Oh, I see you, I aw and look over there is that the culture?

Yes, goodness, wow loves culture loves culture calling.

I was just touching base with you before we got on because you and our guests share something you're on the real SML.

She was on the fictional Studio sixty.

On the Sunsets Trip, she played a Christian sketch comedian.

I'm halfway to that.

I just have to be witnessed and then I'll be there.

One of these days, someone will see you.

What's your background with Christianity?

Do you okay?

So we are, we are on this ride off to the races.

I'm a confirmed Catholic.

Get this, you got you were confirmed.

I went all the way through my parents.

You learn so much about it, and then I got I don't talk about my christian It was not Greek Orthodox.

No, I was Greek Orthodox.

And then we moved and my parents were like, you know, let's just be a Roman Catholic because it's basically the same.

And so then don't tell the Pope.

Then, you know, don't tell him and don't tell him about us.

His opinion is real.

Culture number eight, I don't want to know.

One of your Chicago shows back in the day, Hey, I know, I knew.

I see that face.

It's like when Taylor Swift recognizes someone in the crowd and it's the Pope.

Honestly, he's probably a tailor.

Fan isn't anyway my confirmation name.

It was between this is so my life too.

I was choosing between Christopher and Blaze.

You already have one of the apostles names, Matt.

I picked Christopher too.

I stayed the Blaze.

No, I didn't pick Blaze.

I coul have I c z or z e b l A I s e.

That is the There is a is a Saint Blaze.

People don't know this, and that he was the Saint of I believe Fire.

I'm making it up.

I don't think there is Saint Sebastian.

I just picked a gay name.

Speaking of names, our guest is Harry Harrington Lane.

That's a very dynasty coded name.

Squire, Squire.

Yes.

Then, I when I got on the Wikipedia for the show and I read the first of all the names of the real actresses in the cast, was one thing, and then reading the character names really blew me away.

Because Kim Kardashian will be playing Laura Grant.

Squire.

My name is a Laura Grant.

I'm your lawyer.

Oh my god, hey, you made it meet my friend a Laura.

You've met a Laura and you turn it to someone who looks like Kim Kardashi and you go, oh, that's the definition of overste What is a Laura the saint of Hey guys, There we go, There we go.

It's fun background, fucking all's fair, fucking all's fair.

The show made in a lab and the Ryan Murphy Lab, which is one of the best labs for us, for us.

Yeah, you've got our guests, got Kim.

Judith, niece, Miss Liz Burk's missus Liz Burka Lee.

This is this is a dream.

This is a dream and a half.

It's a fever dream that I cannot wait.

It's gonna be on Hulu.

You're all gonna.

Bember fourth our guests, Tony Winner, Emmy Winner, Culture Award Winner.

Culture Award Winner.

We've got a lot of category Icon four hundred Honor, a figure of great renown, talent, renowned, and more.

We are super gagged and more to have the one.

The only.

I can't dressed like Amelia Earhart explain the the It's just Selene, it's the new Amelia.

It's a new Amelia, and I'm just you know, represent Yeah, it's like a person who's more.

I'm a terrified flyer.

Also, so this is like not, it doesn't work together.

I think it's incongruous.

But that's why it works.

We were saying, like the looks that were being turned at the premiere was just I guess the just like all showing us into a new world of what red corporates can be.

Yes, especially if Kim Kardashian is your coastar.

Because what happens.

It's Kim send someone to do a little waxa Woo, goes and takes a video of what the carpet looks like, comes back and Kim is like, m like this whoa yeah, Like where's the lighting?

Where's the thing.

And so when we were all standing there looking more ravishing than we've all ever looked, and we saw these pictures and we were like, what is the story with this?

And it's because Kim went and dene with the lighting, so we were lit all from below and above, like the oscars doesn't have lighting like this, it's like you know.

And then she went and made sure that we had it in Paris and we had it in London.

And so so you're privy to the waxya Woo video, you don't see the video.

I've not seen the waxy Woo video.

But I was told that waxa Woo happened.

She gets the info and she's like, and I just I gotta say, sign me up for that, sign my face up for that.

If you can just follow me around like this all day long, that's really it was just I was like, who is that?

Looking at my own face?

I was like, who is who is that?

It's like, it's just me with really excellent lighting.

You don't ask yourself question very often, do you who is that?

Because I don't.

I mean, you're a great chameleon, and.

I can look like different things.

You trip once for a spell one of the greatest spells of.

My was like one of my favorite is like really, oh alecazoo wound, I mean it was it was like one of my favorite I like a peg lag and a black tooth.

That's like what I care about it from an acting standpoint, like sure, does do I have.

A you know, a hump in the back?

Yeah?

You played a pirate, yet today I'm playing about I'm the Pirate of the sky.

It's like if like Amelia went down hard and like was she did?

I think she did?

Yeah?

At this point, like Amelia, I think she's gone.

She's gone.

I still think we can find her somewhere in the plane or something.

But I digress.

I think we should do a big gay modern hunt.

But let's but we can also get the right minds.

I think we've like been on the wrong track.

Like you don't need the aviation experts.

We need some like gay people.

We need to Laura Grant, Carrington Lane, I'm Glenn close as Dina Standish just on the case.

I think I will Emerald Green, Green.

Green, Milan and by the way, in Paris, Yeah, like all our costumes were in these different rooms like at these events, and it's just we all have our names and then it's just Milan.

And she's like, do I do they not give me a last name?

And I was like, it's like your share of Madonna exactly, just Milan.

Amazing.

What can you tell us about Carrington Lee?

I love your Dynasty coded thing, which is it's got it.

I mean, I don't think Ryan and I ever discussed this, but it was a foregone conclusion to me that this was Alexis Carrington noted because this is just like and I am playing that person on the show.

I am your your you know Esquire villain esquirest She's given antagonists, she's given out for blood, she's given revenge.

Till she dies, she will be revenging because essentially, these ladies started their own law firm.

They leave Dina Standish, they leave the great Glenn Close, go off on their own fly the nest, and they don't take me with them.

I am the greatest lawyer in my opinion, and it also Glenn closest opinion.

Like I was not Glenn Close Dena Standish.

I was the star of the thing.

And but I'm you know, I've got a bad attitude, I see, and so nobody wants to be around.

And so then they start throwing firm and they leave me behind.

And when you leave this girl behind.

She's gonna come for you.

She's going to come for you.

Oh so basically it's that.

But it's basically like a little person who was injured and now she's out for blood.

Great.

You know, hurt people, hurt people, and we hope to see her hurt very badly.

Back and forth.

You are going to see a lot of hurd and then hurting.

Yeah, people's husbands.

I don't care for it.

Delicious, I mean I'm I'm getting to that age now where I am thinking about how my own abandoned minissues of Talisa, because this is not something I've thought about until my thirties.

Yep, abandonment is she's She's a mother, functions and she.

Really Some people retreat.

Some people go all in in terms of like how they're going to recover.

Some people's calcification around the original wound means they can no longer function or let anything in.

Some people become like really desperate for some attention and won't let people go that they should let go.

We're three actors here, or you become three desperate attention seeking freaks.

Yeah, speaking of desperate.

Oh so, I think so definitely.

The first time you hit my screen was Studio sixty and I remember being like, who is that?

And I think many people in the world were like who is that?

Finally, but you were iconically Lynette's sister on Desperate Housewives, which was really a formative culture.

Oh I love this, Yeah, Oh no, I remember you from it.

This was you do.

This was a moment in my career where you know, not a lot was happening.

It was not a lot.

What's happening?

And then Felicity Hoffman, who was a good friend of mine then is a good friend of mine now.

It was like, hey, you know, I think I was at some party with Mark Cherry.

He has a grotto.

There's like a swimming pool, was like a thing, and I was like, I think there was like a charade night.

And then I think I got, you know, like a little crumb thrown my way where I could be sister, which to me was like really good cast thing.

Yeah, and it was Carrie.

Preston was the other sister, Elsbeth.

Elth and also was she on True Blood?

That is an underrated performance.

Carry Preston has been giving underrated performances her whole career, and she's her husband too.

They're just so good, so good.

Actually, you know what I remember that was like when ABC was like kicking ass and Michael Emerson was unlost and then and then also yes.

But wasn't he also doing something else at the same time he was on show?

Yeah, Jim casl was That was jimsel On the Christian.

Episode really nice work strong but strong?

Was that true?

It was?

It was It was a show.

It was it was on some like proced yeah something, but I feel like he was doing double duty.

It was like the time when someone like Michael Emerson could do both yes and then yes.

His wife was all on all the other true blood and it was just like a thing.

Now she's completely taking over, not just the airways but also the commercials.

Okay, commercial raised and scarfs, and I just love it so much.

You're going to see a lot of the Elsbeth Halloween costumes.

Oh yeah, that's right.

The other prediction I make is a lot of Gladys from Weapons.

Of course there's going to be a lot of that, but I could see.

But both of those are like colorful women.

Colorful women.

I just hate Halloween, right, Okay, talk about it actors Halloween.

Yeah, I don't want you to ring my doorbell.

I don't want to have to talk to little people children.

I don't like the dressing up.

I'm like, oh god, it's like the one day of the year people are just like, get to be right, And I'm you know, I understand that I get to do this in my life and I've been so blessed and I'm so happy band luck in.

Also, just like my costume today is me.

Of course, I'm myself today.

I hate a pumpkin spice place lovete.

I mean, I could go on about this when I've got my minute to Ranch.

I'm saving something else for that.

But like, I don't want your pumpkin spice.

I don't want it.

I don't like pumpkin pie.

I don't like anything pumpkin.

I don't like the color orange.

I'm just it's not my vibe Halloween.

It's not my time.

Sorry.

If I want to take you something, you look at my life of a showgirl codd phone right now, I do.

This is not a good time.

This is not a good time.

I don't like it.

I don't like it.

How do you like to get through this time of year?

I don't.

I muscle through it.

And I have often worked with wonderful hair makeup people and they love to do the trailer in the Halloween jam's like nightmare for before Christmas stuff and like keep someone's like like cob webs everywhere, cob webs everywhere you come in and you're like, oh, it's just like I don't know why it makes me so agro But because I love candy.

Yes, never been happier about candy in my life.

And famously are in a lot of scary ship.

I'm in a lot of scary ship.

But I'm the biggest scaredy cat.

I don't watch anything scary.

Like wise, watch any of those what are those really scary movies with Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga, Like absolutely cannot with a doll, a creepy doll.

Megan, No, none of it.

But then you did see weapons.

I did see Weapons because I got I went.

With my friend Jason, but Jason Butler Harner and Pedro Prescal and we went to see this movie and.

Famous people.

Yeah, he's a famous trickster.

I didn't know.

I didn't know what I was.

I didn't know, and you felt, you felt, except for to me, it's like the performance of the years in that movie with Amy Madigan.

It was just to me, I'm like, well, thank god Amy Madigan is being given an opportunity to do what Amy Madigan can do better than anybody, and she's just a genius.

And I'm just like here for I want someone to accept an Academy Award for a movie like that, because James McAvoy and Split, I mean, do we need to talk about I mean, like not even nominated, Like what are we talking about Tony Collett in whatever that scary mirror ter terry terry.

Yeah, I mean these wereformances are They're not easy to do, and like nobody wants to give Ellen Burston and The Exorcist, Linda Blair and the Extorsist.

Why aren't we giving statues to people?

This is another thing.

I mean, I've got a lot of ranting to do, obviously, but I don't horror movie perform They don't get their respecting us correct.

I thought, Daniel Clulia, Alice Williams and get out that.

I think Sinners is going to get a good showing.

You're probably right, and yeah.

You know I recently I'd be going on the gold Derby.

I like to go on the gold Derby too.

I'd be going on it.

I'd be going going and so shockingly high Amy Madigan and the supporting actress, like people are pretending it because I think things are changing.

They're changing, but also I think there's so much respect for her that predates this sort of genre moment that people are like, oh my god, we want Amy Madigan seen by all of us all the time, everywhere, and if this is the you know, and it's just it's also undeniable.

And that movie is like a sneaky horror movie.

It's not like blood and guts horror movie.

It's more of a psychological thing.

And so you think you're watching like you got people we like running around like this, you know, and it's like, are you a bird?

Are you?

Do?

You know what I mean?

Like, oh, look, we can pretend everything else this is this And also the way that she styled bow and Oa says like it in serrates the movie memorable and serrated.

I love that.

But there's a pretty bloody gory moment.

It's the only it's true, it's it's it's the first time in a long time that I've had to cover my eyes of it.

Yeah, and it's always the gay couple that get it.

I know, remember it too.

No, probably not because I didn't see.

You didn't see that when I didn't see, but you'd be going on the gold derby to decide what you're going to do or about what's going on for your friends.

Are you like, are you like going for your own ballot and being like what are people saying?

Or are you like my friend so and so is up for it?

Are they basically I I do remember voting.

I always hope for you, but I like, I remember going and the first time I voted for SAG, I really surprised myself because I was like, wait, all my favorite stuff isn't even what's in the conversation.

Because we're not you know, I don't know how many ballots you've been sent, but they're ones that I'm like, what even is it?

Like you know, they're they're big when you get to be a nominator, and it's like, I take this so seriously.

I'm like a freak about I never vote.

I mean, if you're brilliant in something, but like I liked something else better and you're my best friend, I'm still voting for the thing I like because I like that because I just feel like you want to honor the greatness of the performance and not just like your friends.

And I just don't.

I can't.

I watch.

I will not vote in a category I have not seen.

Y.

Yeah, I just won't do it.

I take it very very serious.

I want you to look in the eye and vote against him.

I did vote against him this year.

I voted for.

Yeah, it was him because he was kind of now.

I voted for Adam Scotty.

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

It was a performance to me that was just of course, I mean, so good.

My main think about Halloween.

I agree with you, but my thing is it's everyone's everyone's on about fast fashion and stuff, right, and it's like the most unsustainable holiday.

Yes, that's true.

It's people where I think once and then throw it out.

Yeah.

They the packaging that it comes in, the plastic and the thing, and exactly some dog is suffocating in the corner because they like got inside it.

You see where I went.

I'm sorry, No, it's okay.

So it can happen, It can really happen.

I don't.

I don't believe that.

I just see.

The thing is you briefly lived in the macab there as someone who like I, literally you lived in the macab for years.

You're all up in the macap.

The macap It's a good title, All up in the macab I did live in it.

I did live in it.

Do that there.

I'll never forget the scene of you and Hotel, which is the one I tried to watch because of Gaga and basically what happens to mister Greenfield.

Oh yeah, yeah, I had to tap out of that.

You were watching it?

I got to watch it.

Yeah, how do you do?

I might?

Yeah, I was on set for it.

I saw it.

Whatever you're thinking, it's way, it's like a giant conical dildo.

Yeah.

Right, he gets fucked to death, fuck to.

Death, like but with like a like a real drilling.

Ryan, Ryan, you're sick.

You're sick, but you know I'm here for it.

Some of these in my eye.

Guys, whatever, it's fine.

First of all, macaw or macaber, let's get on the same mac thank you.

I mean, I like, well, did people be fun?

Oh, mister Frenchman?

We we And I'm like, no, it's just how you're No is your first language, not technically you're a Frenchman.

No, We're in Australia.

I moved when I was six months old, so you could say English and man, remember the first things that like hit my ears?

And then we moved to Quebec.

Oh, so that kind of friends.

The French was like spoken the most in my life for a while and then hard left into English.

But you didn't have any sort of like Australian accent.

Did you hear that horrible thing?

It wasn't good.

No, I've got a couple of friends and all we do is this.

We just love to do it.

It's great.

Yeah from South Africa, right, I can't remember.

Remember no, it's no.

I love that when people said no.

Yeah.

For me, it's never never get old.

But somebody taught me a secret about how to say I'm being.

A really great extent for this voice is to say rise up lights, right, rise up lights?

Rise up rise up lights is the same thing as saying you say rise up lights.

My on rampant Australian is always oh yeah, oh yeah, because going yeah very language.

Oh yeah.

With the Christian Yeah, okay, I like rise up light, rise up lights?

What are riseplates?

You know, like just think of the word rise okay up lights, just like what's.

The favorite accent you've ever done.

I haven't really done a ton of them.

I was thinking, I don't really get to do that often.

I'm usually just like running from a clown or yeah, you know, you don't need it as a crutch.

Yeah, it's not a crutch for me.

I like to live in my Linda Tripp world and my martial place.

I like a wig like a mom really likes Mama likes a Wig, Mama likes Wig, loves a Wig.

The Marshall Clark of it all, by the way, that was I'll never forget the Marshall Marshall Marsha episode and talk about going to gold Derby.

I was like, let me go on, go to mix mixture that I'm not crazy.

This is at number one for everyone.

That was such a slam dunk, like such a well deserved Emmy win after you being overdue at that point, and like you, by the way, we also saw appropriate, You're brilliant, Like I do want to ask the kim Ka of it all figures into Yeah, so j Simpson famously did you touch base with her about that it?

You know?

Of course No, I barely talked to Marshall Clark before.

I mean I didn't talk to marsh Clark before we shot it, So it wasn't until we're like episode six or seven.

I think I'd finished the Marshall Marsha episode and Ryan's like, if you want to reach out to her, you can do it now.

Even No, No, we had a real drunken.

Night one night after, like I was into episode seven or eight of the ten or twelve.

I can't remember how many they were ten, I think, And then that was that like I saw her mole, like I literally saw her face through a spinning like evolving door and I was waiting there and I was like, I was so entrenched in my love for Marcia Clark at that time because I was so inside it.

And then I remember like seeing like her walk through the revolving door, and like I swear to god, there was a glint of like sparkly sunshine right on the mole and I was like, holy moly, it was like I had like a cinematic like slow push in on the mole and it was like there she is.

I can't believe you.

No, she didn't, but I was like, I guess I need to to.

Like, yeah, she was really hesitant about the whole thing.

She'd only been like raked through the coals publicly.

So the idea of like a dramatization of this when nobody writing about it was actually there, the idea that it was going to be.

I kept trying to say, like this is going to be.

I really think like the angle.

I know I can speak about what the angle is for sure, and I don't think you'll be upset by this.

And she didn't really have a lot of faith in that.

But then I think obviously at all it all.

I guess it's like why why would anyone who'd been only.

For decades like just you know, were the fault of losing the you know whatever it was was sort of laid it at the prosecution's feed and it just was a mess.

And then just always always you know, poked fun of and all this stuff, and so anyway, it just I can't remember what your question was, but it was gold Derby, Yeah, gold Derby.

No, but it was about Kim because that was like something that I think like Blair did full understand that was.

The Chris was really good friends with Nicole, best friends with Nicole, and so that was a real thing.

Yeah, MoMA Blair played her.

I can't remember who played the children, but just recently Kim told me that there were people who played her on the show, like her played Courtney and Kim I think him there were.

Yeah, And I don't remember that part because it was a section I wasn't in, so I paid, you know what I mean, I still haven't seen it to this day.

Really work.

I had always watched my work before then because I think I was so still thrilled that, like someone was letting me do it.

I was like, look, there I am.

And now I think in particular with that was the first time where I was so obsessed and like deep in it that I felt like, if I watch this, I'm going to see every time she was left handed, I pick up the pen with the wrong hand, and oh god, I'm going to see all the things that are wrong and so.

And then when the response was so robust, I thought, now I'm really not going to watch it because I don't want to be like, what's the big.

Deal, right?

Yeah?

And you also don't want to you don't want to convince yourself of like reality where they're all live.

Exactly, which is really something I'm very good at doing.

I get that.

So I just was like, I don't want to do that to myself.

Why don't you let this one be enjoyable?

Yeah, and see what you know?

That feels like totally you.

Know, I feel like your work is so perfectly balanced between like something that is grounded in reality and something that that's actually happened in the world to sixty let's say, or people us O day.

And then it's also the corollary is like the can't be heightened reality?

Well, like is this a toggle free where you have to like sort of change modalities based on.

What I don't feel?

Toggly?

I think, And that maybe is why I am able to do it because the Ryan thing I do think particularly, but even in other things I did, I did this movie called Run about a you know child that I've yeah mun child's and where I'm trying to make my child sake so she'll stay with me, And even that as a sort of like extreme universe to live in.

And I think the horror genre in general asks for a little bit of big swings, and I feel most comfortable there somehow.

And I don't know whether it's because my mother called me Sarah Bernhardt since I was a tiny child, and I've always had sort of big reactions to things that maybe are outsized.

That's for my therapist, not for the both of you.

But you know, I have I don't know about.

I think I'm a big I have a big, big emotional response to things big and small.

I think the register is like it really the pendulum can swing way way far.

There are then most I think, and so therefore in that world it doesn't seem off off the or out of the realm of normal to have whatever reaction my character's having, even though an average person might be like, you're really freaking this is too much.

Well, it's too bad and it's surreal.

What I love about the horror genre, like on its face is you kind of can get away with correct.

That's the other, that's the other imagination exploded.

That's the dirty little secret to me is like there are no rules, like when you're playing a real person.

I actually feel most free then because I have all the boundaries have been set, and then I can do whatever I want inside it because I know what the truth is and I know, like I just there are certain facts that are not up for my interpretation.

Where sometimes when you have too much like paint to play with, you know, if you like, pour all the paint in the world, like on the ground, you're going to come up with just some weird, muddy color.

It's not specific enough.

So it's like, if I have too many choices, it makes my head sort of pop off a little bit in a way that's not helpful.

That's why I'm just like, let me play all the real I'll be the lady who plays all the real people till the end of time.

Nothing would make me happier.

That would be amazing.

Nothing would make me happier, Drea of.

Saying with Marsha, it was tipping into a zone where you're like, I'm going to look at which hand she uses.

To pack, where how she walked, she was a dancer, She had a little bit of a she was always sort of standing a little bit in first position.

There was so much amazing footage of her, which is which was rare, which is like her walking into the courtroom, where like they're just hallway cameras, but you don't you're not really thinking about being on camera.

Where it's like when I played Nicole Wallace, before Nicole Wallace became like a household name in Game Change, Like there was no footage of Nicole Wallace not being performanced Nicole Wallace, So like speaking on Behalf of the White House, whereas I could watch stuff also with Linda paparazzi videos and things where I could watch her move without her like public facing self, and so that was like a real gift because it was like, oh, I'm seeing what you're doing without an awareness of a camera, which where can when can you get that?

It's really rare.

So it was very exciting to me to be able to have very specific things from which to pull from.

And then I felt really free because I knew what the rules were under the kneear you saw correct, Yeah, scrape that tooth enamel off, got all the way down to the gum line, and I was like, I see what's really here.

We've got gingavitis, We've got.

Let's ask the question.

Okay, so we've been we've been kind of flitting around it.

But Sarah Paulsen, what was the culture that made you say?

Culture was?

For you?

I love your answer.

Well, for me, it was the VHS of Oscar's Greatest Moments nineteen seventy one to nineteen ninety one.

This is a VHS.

It cannot be purchased or gotten in any other way.

And I had this.

I still have this VHS.

And Billy Eichner actually also was obsessed with this, and when we had a conversation one day, our heads were both like, I didn't think anybody else really knew about this, and he had it transferred to a disc so.

That then I don't know how I would do it.

Pursed it, but like as a present, like a rat present when we were finished with the course or something.

But this is something like I watched so much that it was like how I learned about like Sashing Little Feather and the novel and the nwdest streaking across you know, the stage when Elizabeth Taylor was trying to you know, watching every Academy Award win and every sort of like show opener and Liza Dance.

It was like, I don't think I knew who Liza Minelli was before I watched this when I was like fourteen or whatever, and I was, but I just over and over and over again, and I can memorize people's speeches and Ruth Gordon's speech, and like it was like it was like somehow having a living, breathing encyclopedia of pop culture moments that meant something to me obviously because of my dreams and fantasies and hopes of like one day standing there with that hot little guy, tight ass in my hand, golden man in my hand.

Yeah, that it was just like getting to see it all but it was all just right there.

It was like having a computer before you could have a computer.

It's like being able to google every little moment about and what people were wearing.

So it was like a mixture of the fashion influx, cultural fashion moments, mixed with like political statements that were being made, mixed with like the performers of the day, and also sort of recognizing that like the world was, the performing world was so much smaller back then.

It was the same actors over and over and over again getting nominated in the same It was just there was not this saturation of the marketplace, and so like there were these ten spectacular actors and these ten spectacular actresses and these ten filmmakers, and it's like things tended to be kind of uniformly excellent and in that time period.

And they don't make some of those movies anymore.

But it was a real like I remember just buying that, like purchasing that at the video store.

I think I rented it and then I went and found it.

And bought it.

And what did you buy it?

Do you remember Brooklyn?

In Brooklyn where I lived, Yeah, And it was just like in the VCR and it was just like on repeat, repeat, repeat, And I do think, even as I'm talking to about it now, like just the Bob mackey of it all and the different there was just like the share of the Share.

One of the greatest things that my best friend and I, Amanda Pete, are always saying.

She does this whole bit where she comes out in her like early early acting moment.

I don't I think it might.

Maybe it was two times that are on this bit.

You one of them where she comes out and she's bringing up the reading list of nominees and I can't remember who she's standing with, but her line she has to say, Marvin Hamill, I'm going to mess it up, Marvin Hamlish, and she cannot and she says Marvin hamil Schmish, Marvin ham Schmish, hamil Schmisch, and then she goes sorry Marvin, and it's like the funniest most like she's so charming and so relaxed.

And then another time she comes out in a giant headdress after she won.

I think she said, as you can see, I got the Academy handbook on how to dress like a serious actress.

And I just was like, but it's like I got to see, like early day Share, there's Bette Miller making fun of the way someone is.

Too many people are nominated for like one like there were four songwriters she's like also known as four.

On a song, and it was just like, I mean I just remember all these like really, oh yeah for.

Moon in what's the song in New York City when you get lost with the Moon in New York City?

The best?

Yeah, this is all and love Yeah that's all from Arthur Arger statement.

She's just like out there doing her bits, and it's just like I was just like over it was like a tsunami of information.

Yeah, fashion you feel like encyclopedic, and I was just like having this knowledge of stuff that like none of my friends knew what I was talking about.

We share that because are we We got really into I believe for us it was ninety seven.

So there was the Titanic, Oscars Crystal.

That Billy Crystal and it comes out he's like boop boop and does his thing.

He comes off on a whose he comes out on a horse, and he comes out on a horse and then he does the thing where he turns it off with cars.

Good was the Academy putting this compilation?

Now?

Like who was?

I think it's possible that the Academy put it out, but I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I sure can let you know.

Because the thing is, as you're describing this, it's like sure, like anyone can look up on YouTube like these moments that you need something, somebody.

Curating it exactly, and it is curated so and it just goes through and you see everybody's clothing.

I mean, I remember having a conversation once with Jessica Lang about the Oscars and fashion at the office, and she said, we used to just whomever was doing my costumes on that movie, we would maybe go to the Saxpith Avenue and we found a dress like that happened once and another time it was you know, it's like what it has become.

And you can see when you watch this compilation of like somebody just pulling some Holston number out or Holston coming up with I mean, it just it's just unbelievable to see the way it changes.

Yeah, bet Miler just said that I'm watching What Happens Live because he was.

He was asking her about her nomination for the Rose and she was like, well, I mean this is back in the day when like you did just think about what you were literally she went, she was like, I think that was my dress that I still have exactly I went.

It was all very new to me.

I didn't get the gravity of what it was to be nominated.

I enjoyed it, but it's just not the industry.

And Katon drove herself to the Academy Awards, you know, it was like that the year she won.

Yeah, like parked your car under the Dorothy Chandler pavilion.

Wow, It's just like it's just not it's just such a different thing now.

It's there was such a purity to it that my initial love.

I'm pleased for my elf that I was alive during at a time where I could have had that experience of watching this in a kind of pure way where now it's I'm not saying it would suck to win an Oscar now at all.

I'm just saying I have information about what.

It was and what it was for people, and the importance and the sort of I mean, the first Academy Awards that were handed out was just like in a room.

It wasn't televised and it was like a banquet.

It was just and now it's become this like gold Derby race, you know what I mean, And like it's.

Wild, Well, this is what I want to say.

Like there was someone on Subway Takes recently was like, my take is like if you have a stylist, that means you're not a stylish person.

I'm like, well no, and then I think I think I said that some some some cool fashion okay, And then and then it was it was one hundred percent agree.

It was just like, oh, but yes, but I see what you're trying to say.

But the fact is this is just like another element in this whole totally similest thing that we have with awards now.

And also back then there were fewer things to like, fewer ways to express like you.

Maybe I could say that that might have been true twenty or thirty years ago, but now there is there's too much stuff, legit, there's just like too much.

Yeah, and like how would you even know where.

To begin unless you're a Kim and you go back through all the archives and you pull it and like then she does these things where I'm like, what is this dress?

And she's like nineteen ninety four Galiano and I'm like, oh, I'm wearing New Selene.

But I congrats, you know what I mean, Like, how do you feel though about like the six month or seven month Oscar race now, like how I wonder like as someone who loves it because we love talking about this a lot.

Like I'm a person who like remember it from pre Premier magazine, used to be able to pull out like baller movie line magazine, Premier Magazine, remember that you like pull out ballots and like, I just love it.

I love it.

Yeah, And I'm one of those people.

This is off topic, but I'll get back to your thing, which is I don't want you to talk to me at the Oscars party, like when I'm watching, have you.

Been to that yet?

I want we were there last year, so.

You go to sometimes to the Vanity Fair dinner, which I've been too many times.

It is a real honor to be there.

I love it.

You're with all these incredible people, but people are talking, maybe talking, and I'm one of those people who's just like I really I care a lot about it about it.

We're finish line and we're waiting for Best Actress and they're making us go crazy and it's just like I am, you know, the crazy person who does not want to be talked to during an awards ceremony.

I want to watch it.

People are like, oh, are you bummed You're not going.

I'm like, oh, hell no, I'm in my pajamas.

There's coming over after, We're going to go to the party after.

But I just want to watch anyway.

The six month run to me is arduous and also I think sometimes like I'm not going to say who who, but I have friends who have gone through this, all of it and have had like just the just like the thing where you have these hopes, these little twinkly dreams and hopes that then get dashed because someone has entered the race that wasn't expected it's now won the National Board of Review and does this weeken your chances?

Because and it's just like sports.

It's like sports now where you're like, well she won all five things leading up to the owes of her losing.

It is just really and then you've got it.

Just it just puts everything.

Holland Taylor, whom I love obviously very much, who's my partner in life and things in all things that matter to me, is always talking about like why are we doing this to each other?

Because it's so subjective.

What is the greatest and why are you turning it into this thing of this is better than that, all of the things that go into what make a great performance, Like there's so many variables from the actors you're working with, to your editors, to the you know, the movie itself, whether it lands for people.

You can be the greatest performance in a movie.

If the movie doesn't work, does that ruin your chances?

It's like it's such a really psychotic thing to do to little fragile people, like performers, like little artists, performers.

Not necessarily cut out for the work, the component of it.

And I went through this during the Tonys, which to me was the most arduous of them that I had ever been fortunate enough to experience, because you're actually doing the show yow while it's happening, and then like, you know, your stage manager will sweetly say we had ten voters in tonight, like after you're done, and you're like, oh, fuck, like and you're like and then you know exactly, but act too, and I'm like, why are you telling you?

Like, and you then start to like figure out whether or not you thought your performance that was like every like as you get towards the end of your run, you're like, you only have twenty performances left, and like it gets sort of stolen from you with the worry and the fear that you had an off night or something that just maybe didn't quite land or the audience was quieter, and did that mean that they weren't as into it?

And yeah, it just like and then you're like out there in the morning doing your like good morning Americas, and you're talking to all the people and it's it's just you've been on vocal rest normally while you were doing your place time and now you're out there.

Now you're on pounds of steroids and you're campaigning.

And as much as I was happy to do it, because I was, truly it was like the seven year old and me was like, I can't believe this is happening to me, it still was also like woh, like, and then I also had to deal with my hunger.

It made the hunger worse, and I think it's so made it worse.

Oh.

I wanted it, and I wanted it very bad and honestly, and I was gonna say like sometimes I feel like for both your Emmy win and your Tony win, you were the front runner, I know because of gold Derby.

We were aware, but but this is a big part of life, that's true.

Got me aspirational about all of this is like and it felt like going to that site you could be a part of it.

And so when they make you the front runner, that feels like almost more pressure.

I've been the front runner on that Gold Derby and not it's not and I've not won.

That's happened a couple of times actually, but you know, so you kind of have to take it all over it.

But it does it does make It's like to me, it's like you're a horse at a race and even running the same race, and you know you're doing what you're doing, and all of a sudden they put like a carrot in front of you, and then they just keep moving it further and further away.

But like you're getting closer and closer, and all of a sudden, you're so hungry, you're like, if you don't get me that cart, you die.

Like I didn't even know I didn't know that it was there.

I know that I know it's there now I really wanted you know it's it Just it's so funny where all of a sudden, it's the possibility of it makes you you absolutely have to have it.

It sucks up your expectation.

And then he's been nominated five times.

Well my god.

The thing about you've won, I never want one.

But the horses.

The horse doesn't know, the.

Horse doesn't know, the horse has no idea when the horse doesn't know what the race is and the horse is just running it.

But you're now atop the horse.

Well we know what we know the horse.

You know the horse, and you were just the horse.

But now you're riding on top of the horse.

And now you're like, come on, you can do it.

And it's like I'm just I just want to run the race.

And you're like, but look at this this hoe back here, she's coming up on my Yeah, and I gotta we got to keep going.

And then it puts this whole little thing of competitiveness around it.

It's just not natural.

I've had some friends of mine who have been.

Like, oh, it turned dark, turned dark, It can turn dark our friend, your friend.

I think Kate Blenche was on this podcast and she like made some pendless because she just expressed something very similar to this.

You're just like, I think what if we did it where it was just like no cameras around, and then a whole story.

It's like, oh no, don't even this is this is like someone who has been celebrated by this contraption.

Yes, and it's like she must be coming from a place of knowledge about this.

Yes, it's really I think it just puts a tiny bit of and I can just hear like people a bit groaning, being like, oh so crime me a river.

But it's like there's something about an artistic pursuit that is worth celebrating the pursuit, Like the pursuit is all and then when you start putting these other things on it, it starts to become too heavy.

Where's it's whatever that phrase heavy as the head that wears a crown?

And it's just like you want so much to not care, and then if you do care, you care too much, and that it just becomes this dizzying, vulnerable making thing that I think we should normalize a little bit where people are just like are you excited and you're like, I'm scared, I'm hungry, I'm in his stress all the time.

I really want it.

I feel like I look old and fat and tired, and you know, it just it's a whole thing.

We were sitting in that room and and we loved Mikey out of than an Anora.

But to me, Moore lost.

It was kind of just like the air lest I remember feeling like I wish we hadn't done I know.

I remember being in the audience when Olivia Coleman one the year of Glenn Close and Olivia Blemon thing, and there was an audible sound in the audience and it was cle weren't excited about Olyvia Coleman because it's one of the great performances of all time, the favorite.

But I think this expectation was Glenn was finally going to get her oscar, and it was six months of this and then there she was in this gold guy.

It was just incredible.

And then it was like like there was a there was a sound, and I remember being like, oh, I can't idle this.

This is just no.

It was hard, and you know, I it's just there's something about it that at the same time, I'm like, I can't wait to campaign for one.

I'm just kidding.

That would mean that I was like in a movie.

I was proud of an excited I remember you had deserved buzz for I think twelve years of a slave for Carol.

You've been in great films, I mean in some great movies.

Yeah, yeah, What do you think is because probably nowadays it's a little bit different than it was obviously, But is it directors that drive you because you're in a little ensembles too, Yeah.

I mean I think the truth is, like I wish I could pretend that I was the architect of my career in a way, Like I don't know about you guys, that I often feel like I just sometimes say yes to something that speaks to me, but I'm not always.

I've had conversations with Kate about like she is really thinking about her director and she really and I do sometimes, but like I'm mostly just so excited that someone wants me to be there that if it's something I think I can, I mean, I will say.

The one thing that I think really drives me is actually the level of terror I have about my ability to do it and if I want to yes, And the more terrified I am to do it, the more likely I am to say yes.

But there's more like hemming and hawing beforehand, and fear is a big motivator for me to do it, And it's surprising to me because I'm a little bit of a nervous Nelly.

I would say it's weird, weird for me to be saying that's.

Fear in you reading what's on the page and what is happening in the script makes you nervous.

Or is the fear in that you're reading it and you don't get it at first?

No, it's my fear is that, like is what I think it is?

What it is?

Got it?

It's like a combination of like, intellectually, am I is this hitting words?

Am I?

Do I get what is desired here?

Do I know what to do?

I mean, like, I think about this all the time.

I haven't auditioned for something in a very very long time, and I miss it because when you walk on a set for a job you've auditioned for, you know that you were there because what you did for this very thing was the thing that they decided they want.

So you don't walk on and going, oh God, they asked me to be here because of my Marshall Clark performance and this is a different piece, and or they want me here because of some other thing they saw, and so then I end up going I don't know if they know what and who it is and if my take on it is right.

I love that feeling of knowing I've earned a job based on what I did for that specific job, and then I feel more confident start the day.

Otherwise it feels really I don't know, I just it.

It ratchets up my terror of failing when I have not earned it, but it might like of.

Course you know, and then I have because this is the thing that I've expressed to let's say, my team, and they're just like, oh, yeah, sure, I'm like I would love to do like please don't ever tell anyone that I don't a like I don't read for stuff orud love to read for something.

And they're like, yeah, h yeah, whatever still happened in a while, Yeah, And I almost kind of want to do it for this exact reason.

But have you has this been a thing that you've talked about with your people where it's like they're like, no, but Sarah, like I did.

Say it recently, I feel like but on some level now, the other part is like everything's happening on zoom.

So it's like I think about the number of jobs that I got in my early career, which were not many, but when I got them it was because of my experience in the room and a director going could you try this?

And then I did try it and they either liked it or whatever, but like or my little banter with them as I was leaving the room or whatever it was.

It happened because a personal connection in the room, some sort of thing of and I remember how you collaborated.

I remember auditioning for The Goldfinch, which was a movie nobody saw but one of my favorite books, and I got the job, but the director wouldn't cast me until we had a FaceTime.

We were supposed to see ech other in person, but we couldn't because he was like, I don't have people on my set I've never like sat down and had a conversation with because what if that's a vibe where it's.

Like not going to be great for.

The myriad of reasons, but like that that that was the last time I auditioned and the last time I had an experience where a director was like, it's important to me to have actual contact with you before you're on my set, just in case, you know, who knows what all.

It makes a lot of spunks to me, Yeah, you have to.

I think the most important thing that you realize once you start working more is that people just get it and we can move on.

So taking a note and applying it quickly is one of the most.

It's one of the and it's how you can tell that a person can move quickly and think quickly, right, because that's what you need on a set where you're doing you know, especially television, like you're doing ten pages of dialogue in a day.

Yeah, that's why the self tapes of it all.

I just think I don't get how anybody gets a job.

I don't know how anybody gets a job.

I'm just like, the self tape thing is a nightmare.

I don't.

I don't.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who liked to listen to the sound of their voice, like on a voice memo or on a recording of any kind of hard and then just take your face, blow it up on the thing, and then be like.

Deal with it, just really like yep, yeah, always like that.

It's all I want to.

Do is just a little dose of Nissi Nash, who just is like I look great and you're like you do and you do but she's goddamn right, yeah, And I'm like, just touch me a little bit, just let some of it rub off on me.

Renaissance.

Renaissance Getting on was one of them.

Did you guys can a person do to get getting on back on the air with Lauri Megach with the greatest, the greatest actress in the world to make and Lauria Metcalff just get it back now.

Forstein, I mean so good.

I mean, I think TikTok was was kind of having fun with the whole like when like they're trying to they're talking to the transit getting on, like was what.

Happened right before all three of them like cracked off again because that was right before Lady Bird, it was before before, and then niss In everything everything that's right, Dahmer winning the Emmy, all of it, all of it.

Do you have a favorite Oscar Win?

Oh?

A favorite?

It's a big, big question that I do.

Oh, I got I've got one that is yours.

Mine is a little basic, but it's really Robert Ay Brockovich.

That's just one of my.

Favorite star performance, big movie star performance.

But it's a grounded soda bird thing, Like I just like that It just that she won for it.

She won for it after all of her stuff.

God, I'm going to share this one because it caught me by surprise, but I loved it at the time.

I was like, I can't believe they voted for that, and I'm obsessed that they did.

Was till the Swinton and Michael Clayton.

That one for Michael Clayton, That's a good one.

Do you remember at the end of that moment, but he's walking away from here because he's told her like I got you, and she just from collapses.

I was like, uh huh Hill the Swin Yeah, God, Jones in Chicago because it's so performance.

I just love a music.

I love when a musical comes through.

I guess I'm gonna say Jessica Lang in Tootsie because it is an extraordinarily special performance and she should have won for Francis.

Yeah, Now, you can't beat Meryl Streep and Sophie's choice.

It's not it's not.

That was the same year, so Jessica was nominated.

I think is it possible?

Wait, Jessica was Jessica nominated for two Academy Awards in the same year.

I think she may have been one of those, Meryl Streep won for Sophie's Choice, and the other nominees this is good.

Jessica Lang, Francis Sissy Space like missing, Debora Winger officer and a gentleman, and Julia Andrews Victor Victoria.

Right, and did Jessica win for TUTSI that same year for Supporting Actions.

Let's look nineteen eighty two.

This award was just so I write about this like my Oscar Oh, I think I have Yeah, you guys have the same.

I got it there, got it in there.

And Jessica Lang, I think the reason I think that performance is so underrated and I mean she wanted to ask her so not that underrated, but like in terms of like why people don't necessarily know it's just playing the girl in a movie like that with Dustin Hoffman being an absolute like next level genius, and to have this sparkly she was so sparkly and just like but it was also the juxtaposition of that performance with Francis, which her performance in Francis is one of the for me, unparalleled.

I think it's really it's and Kim Stanley, Kim Stanley, who is my favorite actress of all time, who played.

Her mother in that movie.

Kim Stanley was my wallpaper on my phone for a very long time.

And there's a very great book called The Female Brando about Kim Stanley.

She's really extraordinary.

She did so few movies, but she did a lot of stuff on stage.

She's member.

She calls her little sister in that movie, she's her mother.

I mean, it's really I've never seen you got to get it.

I mean, just let's please watch it in the next time I see you.

Just tell me that you know what I'm telling you, you will quiz your ass because it's really some of the best acting ever.

Also, they make so few movies like that now, so after right after you, Jennifer Lawrence is coming in and we just watched diniahil Oh.

I can't wait to see it.

It's it's like it's Woman under the Influence.

That's performance.

I mean, it's it's one of those things that's just like, oh, like who won over Genna Rolands for Women under the Influence?

Seventy four.

That's the year was born.

So who wanted that was?

Al doesn't live here anymore?

Okay, I'm going to say something really unpopular that was incorrect and that.

Was the year after she had lost for the Extorsist.

She was excellent in both movies.

She was beyond excellent in Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.

Nobody could be better.

She's an extraordinary actress.

Genna Roland's performance in a Woman under the Influence is just like somebody walking a tightrope one thousand miles above sea level.

It's just not it's not normal.

It's it's an it's I mean, I'm not saying that Ellen Burston shouldn't have won an Oscar.

I mean, am I going to go to jail?

You know what I mean?

Decades later she would deserve it for Requiem Beyond the Pale and did not get it right, did not get it was was she nominated?

She was, she was nominated.

But I believe that was the year of Helen Hunt.

Hold on, wait see this?

Wow?

So this is when it gets so crazy.

That's so And this is why Hollins point is to be really really taken.

How can someone measure that Alice Doesn't Live Here his performance is better than this performance, and that that Ellen Burston in Requiem does not best Helen Hunt.

In my Ellen Burston lost to Julia Roberts for Aaron Rockovich.

This was two thousand.

Well they cut her in lead, they did.

I think it was the Ellen Burston of it all that made her push and she should have been supporting and she would have.

Does category fraud drive you crazy?

It does?

But I feel like I've committed it.

I feel like on Horror Story once it's not my fault.

It gets decided.

I think there were sometimes I was put in lead because I technically qualified to be in it.

Yeah, because maybe the supporting actor category is gonna be too crowded, so someone at the studio made a decision to put me in.

The other one.

And then I did get nominated in that category, and I think it was the right thing.

But but I don't like what's the word?

What's the most egregious version of category?

And you know what's weird?

In a reverse way?

Anthony Hopkins is only in Sounds of the Lamps for a little bit over ten minutes and one best Actor whoa yeah, because that movie is all Jodie Foster.

Yeah, she won too, right, It is what it is.

I understand why it happens.

I understand why it happens too, But it's just this is why we should just abolish it all.

Why just like I have a party, everybody's nominated, you all get your certificate.

Everbody should get a statue.

Exactly thank you, because I do agree it's getting weird, especially like when the Golden Globes or whatever.

But like the comedy drama placements, like some of the Emmys, it's like, okay, some of these things that go cold comedies, it's like so silly.

I almost feel like everyone shows up to the awards and it's surprise, Yes, like five awards.

You know what I mean?

Yes, I think that's I think that's really true.

Like something should change.

This is why we have our fake goofy fun Awards show, which I wanted to go to this last year but I was out of town.

But I wanted to go.

Desperately, really want to if we if we have our drothers, we do it as many years as a lot us, And.

Why wouldn't they let you do it again and again?

Wasn't it a delicious sn.

We you know how it is.

But basically like we when we were reaching out to people for the Cultural Awards, we didn't know who was actually out of town or who was like.

Been there perc next year allegedly next year.

Anyway, You're right.

I mean, I think we've actually gotten this is helpful information because I think when he was here, I'm talking about this like, of course the nuance got taken out of it for the headline.

But I think this like, let's please y'all e w's and ET's of the world.

Let's just really like, let's rein it in, do this conversation justice, you know what I mean, it's right because we care.

Don't because we care about it.

That's because it's just because it matters.

It doesn't matter to me in the sense that like little me watched the Tony Awards, watch the Oscars, watch the Emmys like I watched them, like was obsessed with them and planned out political and mapped out.

And you want to know why we have Viola Davis today being a lead actress because she was nominated for Doubt because there was room for her supporting category that allowed nine minute performance that was that outstanding to be nominated.

And so now she is the powerhouse Violo Davis that we have because she was an Oscar nominous.

I have a whole thing that I want to do with petitioning SAG about this because I really feel there should be that the SAG Awards in particular, they do everything.

Everybody goes into one category, so swodding actors are in the leading like you can't but why lump in?

It's like, so all the supporting actors like there there is nothing.

It's like the buttress of a building.

It's like the building cannot stand without It's like you need all of it.

And I just feel like there's a real diminishment of a supporting actor by way of not giving like space room, an opportunity, and also the career change that it can affect.

If all of a sudden, you're you give a nine minute performance in something that is outstanding, and then you find yourself in the same conversation with these actors who have been around forever and who you all of a sudden are have an opportunity to make a better living.

You get more opportunity.

It's just about the opportunity.

So it's like and then when within fifteen years you fully egot that's right, you know what I mean?

If you're Viola, if you're Viola Davis.

Which there are so yeah, there are so many talented people out there like that deserve the supporting stuff drives me notes because I'm like, that's where the character actors get there.

That's why sometimes the best work has happened one great every time I do just before we go, want to you connect you guys on the Studio sixth the NSNL.

Oh, yeah, because that was such an incredible show and undersung show, and your performance in that I think really put you on the map in six seen ways, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it did, except for yeah, I think a lot of people didn't think I was funny on it, which is what was a drama.

But it was a dramedy.

And also like Aaron wasn't, Like didn't Aaron who is Aaron Sorkin who is a genius, but like didn't have any writers there doing any like sketch writing.

He was doing all of it.

So like based on like some of the things I did in my audition were like I imitated this person and I imitated that person, and I could do my impressions and things, but like it wasn't it just didn't really become about that, you know.

But like also every single time my character came on screen, it was like somebody was talking about how this like I was the Kristin Wig of the show, like the World's you know, guild rest.

One, and then like they never gave me these guests to do, and then like we.

Were like meal sketch dramatic before exactly and they're like, what is this?

But you know, I was really playing Kristin Chennai.

Yeah, oh is Aaron Sorkin's yes love at the time, and so like that was it's you know, yeah, it was just a so she was conservative, and then Matthew Perry was playing the sort of Aaron character and it was just really and I thought that show was going to last for ever.

It was because it was right after Friends, right after the West Wing, and it was like, well, look at me walking up to this right in this moment.

And then sure enough, yeah, nobody cared what you did?

You move to LA After I moved to LA in nineteen ninety eight Chic Great Year, it seems like nineteen eighty eight, nineteen ninety eight, ninety eight, ninety eight, I think.

Hollo, yeah, but it's like I kind of missed like back in the day, like when we were coming up.

It's like, okay, like pilot seasons Pilot season one and a half in and then it died.

Oh yeah, because I moved out there what twenty eighteen.

Yeah, No, we were still Pilot season serious and like seeing all the same girls an audition and like going into like I remember when I went to test for Down with Love, this movie I did with Oh Yes, Yes, and it was like Tina fey Me and Alison jan and Courtney.

It was just like and like pulling up and seeing so and so walked to their car and Zach Braff was in there reading with a bunch of people, and then this one came in to read with this one and it was just like it was.

It was like, oh, it was a very different thing and they were mixing and matching and putting different people and it was a whole thing where you would like be confronted with your competition and you learn a lot, and you know, I remember testing for a pilot against Hillary Swank, like, oh yeah, it was like a real There was like a sea of us and now like we never you never see everybody anymore except for like you don't see each other in the trenches anymore.

We used to be like look at us all out here, like we were in our bathrooms this morning, like like putting on our makeup and running our lines and in the car like practicing your stuff and then getting there and asking for a highlighter and you know, you know, all that stuff signing in and seeing who had been there before you, and those days are gone.

Yeah, there was a time when I would be in multiple waiting rooms for auditions with for some reason, Leslie Bib, and I'm like, oh, I love about.

The two of us being like when we were.

I'm sure and Leslie Bib to be in the same audition hilarious again and again.

But it's like she would never remember this.

But it's like, remember, I don't think she's so cool, she's cool, am every time.

This is our one minute segment where we take exactly that amount of time to dress something down in culture that's got us twisted, and it's we've come to the reality portion of the episode because I got a bone to pick with an icon.

Okay, so honey, and time starts now.

I don't think so, honey, Jeff Propes, You're not gonna get away with calling Parverty shallow, a one and a half time winner of Survivor incorrect.

She won two times.

She won Micronesia and you know that, and she just won Australian Survivor wishes.

I'm gonna say it, not only more difficult version of Survivor, but a better produced version of Survivor American Survey.

You better get it together because they are lapping you there, out classing you around the world.

Do not play with me about PARV.

Don't don't jack par every second.

I've got to.

I've got a lot to say about the amount of twists in the show.

I'm a diehard fan of the show for gears, and I just I don't think it's getting better.

So for you to pick on one of the great iconic winners of the show, do I think just because she went and did Traders and that pisses you off.

Don't show, don't show that you're insecure, Jeff, because I will.

I will get you on my second cast.

I don't think so wanted nothing but respect for the Queen Parverty love you.

Listen.

That is a tough fact to follow.

I really liked your energy.

I really like it.

I just yeah, I don't like it.

In the beginning, I.

Watch Survivor, You're a house I'm a housewives person in a major way.

What are your recent thoughts?

I mean, I'm obsessed with salt Lake.

I think I don't know what anybody what I did to deserve it?

But I am here for what did we do?

Because this is this is giving me.

I don't know what's going on with Lisa Barlowe.

I don't know something is really going through something and the stuff with her and John.

I'm a little bit like, what is that going to be credit card fraud?

We don't know what.

Whatever's happening with Bronwyn, I don't know what And something is sealed and we can't discuss it, she was.

Saying, And I was like, what is sealed?

She's like, it's sealed.

It can't spathpens.

But like what like how identity?

Like like what would like?

I think you you can surprise yourself with like what is categorized as like mail fraud identity?

Like some things are weird and it might be something we weird your lawyer now, I'm esquire now, but I'm just saying I also Carrington Lane would definitely know and she yeah, she wouldn't be friends with any of them.

Yeah, maybe she'd hang out with Mary a little bit.

And I can't figure out why does Angie talk so slow?

Why does Angie?

Everything with Angie?

Well, I like Angie, it's it's it's your closest friends, right, And I'm like, also, did you notice this about her?

Something that's become very apparent is that the way she turns the side eye is very good?

Somebodyd a super Anji k our favorite.

I love Anngie K, but like, why are we?

Why is everything?

Wow?

And when she thinks she's giving a very like like a big diss, it's like she does it in this way that is so normal, Like you are the gen shaw.

I mean you're like, is that supposed to be like a gauntlet throne?

Like what are we throwing down?

I can't it's just but I'm I am the way I eat it, of course.

I mean I just can't get enough.

I think that Angie K solidified.

Obviously, high body count hair was great, but you know what trampoline with eyes.

Eyes so good?

High body count hair, but trembling with eyes.

But also, I mean I just watched the one with Brittany and her daughter, and that is I just want to bring it down for one second and just say, yeah, this is really.

I felt sad because what I can't understand about Britney is why she's always like okay, yeah, everything's like I know, I do.

When Whitney was like, do you you should want to deal with her daughter, She's like I do, I do, And I'm just like something is everything okay with Brittany?

It has to cut through a lot of noise that that has been like.

The sound of like a flat line, Like it's like an emotional flat like an emotional.

Hell is this her daughter's?

Like, I just and the idea that she was this great mom and that like it's almost it's really hard when you have when you're twelve and like you lose your mother to another person who isn't even your dad.

Yeah, a guy who's obviously like love bombing Bombycissist.

They gave her daughter a confessional.

I thought that was a daughter a confessional.

But I feel like Brittany isn't a friend of anymore.

I feel like something's happening to us or we're being given more Brittany.

She's she's main cast now, right.

He deserves this spot.

I think for her to really like have a footprint on that show with that cast, and that's stacked cast.

I think she deserves it.

Why not?

Okay, is there anybody you'd pull away?

Oh?

This is so hard, really tough.

I wouldn't do that, and I wouldn't do that.

Now you want to know what?

Maybe last year I thought Whitney felt absence.

Agreed, But this year I'm really into Whitney right now, I'm into like her being like everything fell apart.

Also, what about it's the way she says, Oh God, what is it?

Day?

She says, I fell everything is instead of feel it ill and he telling journey's my howling journey.

I'm still helling.

Recently, who your most going on Wednesday?

I'm on and he's been on with Angie.

We shared Angie k I was.

On with Heather Gay, Lisa, Na, Dorinda, who still my debt to this day to me is like iconic.

Yes.

We recently sent a picture in fact as last night Derinda and together together and the all I can say is that the photo had sexual entertain.

Okay, Well, Luanne came to my Both of them came to my play.

Luanne came to my play and that was something that was something.

She is really something.

She's a star she's a star mo Ca.

I mean she sang a little bit for me, did she She did at your show and my show because a friend of mine is that.

My friend Carla Gallo was obsessed with her, and I videoed her and it was like she was she thought she was doing a cameo, is what it felt like.

She was like dolling dollar Cat's but I was like, it's just my friend on the It's really not, but but I was here for it.

Have you ever gotten the Housewives cameo?

No Jamie Jamie Lee Curtis style and like over there with like remember when she went on, Remember when Jamie she was on.

And she like brought her my hand in your I mean like a cameo, like a like a like a like a like a video message.

All on that.

No one's ever sent that to me, but I'm relying on you to do that.

We will do that for you all.

Pick who would I be?

We got one from Derinda Joel Kim Booster sent us a one so that he could ask us to be in his wedding party.

And I got Dolores Catania.

Love amazing love.

I just love the Housewives.

I'm very grateful for them too.

I mean they used to help me survive a jet blue flight to New York.

Is really how I started when I would watch the OC from the beginning and just like five hours later, it'd be like in New York, don't want to get off the plane, right, I'm glad, I'm glued.

I always appreciated your your love for Bravo and Housewives, vis A v you being this incredible actor, because I was just like, well, it has to be.

There's some part of me that is really fascinated by you know, the thing you think when you read something and you go, no one would ever do this, who would behave this way?

And you're like, oh no, there is no end to what people will do or behave how they will behave, And the minute you decide that it's like an impossibility, It's like all the more.

This show to me is like evidence of that on a daily basis.

And I'm just fascinated by you couldn't human behavior, and you couldn't make up Gentshaw, you could make up run when you couldn't make up Mary.

You couldn't make up any of them.

Meredith their heads like over here, like why is it.

On the side and why is it on the side We re watched this weekend in the morning, which is you can't leave Palm Spring Security secure can.

If you're looking for the best episode of Housewives is all Tricks No Trust in that season the Palm Springs episode at the Tricksie Motel, and.

I did ask Heather Gaye directly if she was peeing or if that was vomit, and.

I think it's both.

He's not sure, she don't remember.

I don't think she remembers, but I as a friend, I think, yeah, she thinks it was vomit.

And I think it was.

It was too it was it was coming and it was also coming from so low.

I just feel like it was she was like the way like the way it was coming out the force force like fil was like too low.

If it came that hot came up from high enough, it would have been viscous and it also would have like lost its power down and it's had a lot of force.

Totally, I think we should revisit it because scientists we literally like I would watch it once a week.

Also, our friend Jared watches the OC reunion that's about Brooks.

He like watches it to go to mad He's like, he can't like do it unless it's the not unless that thing is on like Vicki's daughter, what's her name?

Jesus coming out and like like whenever that opinion whatever, a conflict between a mother and.

Their child on a reunion.

I'm like, come, it's too good, too far, but I love it.

More of it?

Are you ready I go?

I've got a simple one.

This is Bow and Yang's.

I don't think so, honey, his time will begin now.

I don't think so many movie theater seats costing the same across the board in the same room.

If it's front two rows, it better not cost anything more than five dollars.

Let's say, if I'm on the sides, it should be a little bit cheaper.

If it's senator, it should be more expensive.

Let's let's tear them out like theater.

I'm not saying we like price, you know, stratify this in a certain way, but I'm just saying, like it, let's treat it like a theater because that's what it is.

Let's give it orchestra seating.

Not that there's an orchestra, but you know, let's there are certain seats that are objectively better than in the theater.

We should pay accordingly, make them more affordable for some people, make them, make make the if there's if the theater has a.

Center aisle, then we then we forget about it and let's just let's just call the whole thing off.

Let's just shut it down.

But I'm saying seats are all priced the same, then that just kind of flattens the experiences of movie going at all.

Let's just let's just let's give it some meaning, let's give it some interest.

Again, I think five seconds wouldn't save the industry, but it could go towards helping it.

That's one minute, and.

That's what I oh thousand percent agree, right, it's common sense.

It's common sense, and I would I would pay the extra for the thing where I would also be like, if it's the front two rows, I don't want to pay.

Sometimes so that's all that's left, and I'm like, well, I'm not paying fifteen dollars and you.

Need a massage afterward exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Also I have an issue with this is about theater, but previews those shi gets costing the same during the run because it was gypsy like how that turned out?

I saw that I saw the third preview.

It was not ready.

You know who was ready?

Audi Audro was perfect.

But the thing is I was just like and then they got so much better.

I did end up seeing it like again.

I heard it got better, so I went again and I was like, see, now this justifies the price.

Yep.

Okay, all right, are you ready?

This is the opportunity for you to reread ready.

I don't like the pressure, but I've got some shit to say.

Okay, this is Sarah Paulson's I don't think so, honey, her time starts now.

Okay, I don't think so honey that the pigeon is a rat with wings.

I feel very, very triggered by this.

I want you to understand something about a pigeon.

Pigeons have been taught to be near us, to carry our messages to our loved ones.

Pigeons have been they mate for life.

First of all, they are not dirty.

We made them our city dwellers so that we could get them to take information to far away lands, to stop wars, to tell somebody you love them.

They were our messengers of our heart, our minds, our brains.

It was their job to do work for us, and we have had them now in the city.

People step on them, people run them over, they don't care.

They don't feed them, they give them their trash.

They talk about them the way they are talked about, the way they are talked about, they are talked about as if they are disgusting.

Yes, they made for life.

I watched a pigeon.

I watched a pigeon make a nest for a cat just out of the goodness of its heart.

You know what, that cat didn't try to eat that pigeon.

That pigeon hat must be stopped.

I'm calling on the world to stop hating on the pigeon.

And that's one minute.

Thank you.

This is a movement, not a moment.

This is a movement, not a moment.

What the fuck did Pigeons didn't do anything to you.

They're not seagulls.

They're not they are not seagulls.

And they would never take your bagel.

They don't want your bagel.

They want to sit on your shoulder and they want you to tell them about your day.

That's what they want.

And then if you would like to go give a message to Matthew across town, they will happily take it.

They will take it there and they will deliver it to him in a scroll.

They will.

You could write it up.

I'll take you in there.

Yeah, do that.

Send a carrier pigeon to give him the next message.

Just let's put the pigeons back to work.

They need to work.

They need to work.

Topens a bad tops a bag, tuppens, tuppens.

They're doves, the doves.

You to do this to doves.

They're doves in a beautiful, iridescent like movie with a little bit of green on their head.

They love each other forever.

They pick a person, love each other forever.

How could we How could we treat them so terribly?

Treat the monogamous monogamous monogamous people?

Thank you, I'm about to cry.

I love a pigeon.

Guess what I grew up with?

Grand theft auto for There is a whole side mission in that game where y'all, y'all know what I'm talking about, flying.

Rats, nick naos, flying rats in their pigeons.

You have to go, you have to go shoot them.

I've been incentivized to shoot these birds.

Next time you look at that bird in life, just remember that pigeon used to do your work for you.

That pigeon sent a text for you.

Send your email, delivered it lovingly.

Bless the pigeons, Thank you, You're welcome, Bust the pigeons.

Bust the pigeons a third option.

She didn't think we'd have this many.

God, that was amazing.

This is a true I mean, we've I felt like in an extended conversation with you, I'm like, oh, this is a real savant of the culture of the industry.

Yeah.

Interesting, I just really I love I mean, we know when Krista Miliotti won the Emmy for the which is like I love acting, and she screamed, I love acting, and I swear to god, I went like this out of my chair.

I levitated because it was like, there is a person saying what is in my heart out loud and being celebrated for it.

And it's like puts her hand in the air and it's like woo wooing too.

I love acting.

It's like she just rocks the chasma and every other chasma whatever anybody wants, every time, always and always has and has the voice of an angel to do.

Of course, just like next level.

She's next level in every way.

She's the coolest person.

But was able to stand there and say I love acting, and I swear to God, I was like, everything's going to be okay.

That's that's my shit.

And I was like, I feel seen, I know who I am in the world when a person can do that and people are excited about it, and so I just feel like normalizing excitement about what you love.

I don't care how like silly someone's besides it is and it's so cringe because you love it.

It's like, you know it's cringe thinking everything's so uncool.

I'm just like, guess what's cool.

Being passionate is cool.

Loving what you do is cool.

Recognizing that you get to do something that you love and that people are like, yes, you get to do it.

And I'm like, I know how lucky I am.

I have friends who are more challenged than I could ever dream of being, who do not have jobs.

So just love it.

Love it because you get to do it.

Love it if you don't get to do it.

Just keep loving it.

And you know who's loving it, all of you, because you're probably streaming All's fair.

I guess at least one episode is out now, yes, and this three.

I think three are out now because Earth three first three because it basically the beginning is like letting you know who everybody is and that takes a minute and you kind of and then you got to get into it, so you got to like ride past one, you learn who we all are?

Yeah, get ready basically basically like I don't know if you've seen the trailer, but the trailer is like, yeah, it's it's a lot and it's a lot and it's a lot of you're going to get maximalism.

There's nothing about this that is I mean, I call Kim Kardashian Beef Curtains on National.

Tell as you walk through a vaginal hall, I walk through a cervicle.

A clown survey, I call I call Emerald Green, and I call I called Glenn Close George Washington on National What do you want?

What more do you want?

Mayor mchead cheese, I call them that too.

I mean, like it's really.

Good stuff, head cheese.

I don't want to ever hear head cheese on a TV show, except if it's all fair.

I'm Mayor makehead cheese.

And with that, we end every episode with a song, why is it this?

Do you know this song?

There's always tomorrow?

And dreams.

I don't know, but I was.

It was an episode of Saturday at Live with with Kristen Wig and Fred Armison doing the thing where they were trying.

To sing the songs together and they don't know the song.

Yeah, that was last.

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