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Marire, Oh, I see you my own and look over there is that the culture?

Yes, Lost cultu ding Lost Culturesa's calling.

It's the day of days, It's the days of our lives.

Oh so can I tell you growing up, my mom, Katrina Rogers, was an ABC soap person.

So in our house was General Hospital all my children and what was the other one?

No passions and also passions had like witch craft, vampires and which.

Yeah I'm forgetting the third one, but those those what is it?

One life?

And so my intro to our guest was not soaps.

It was actually red carpet and hosting, which.

As we now know, yes, I mean now they're they're really dipping into like an interesting talent.

But we'll get into this later.

But it's like Gabby wedding doing the red carpet, the VMA's slave.

Also, that is a hard job and very hard.

This is hard work and we will get into this, into the nitty gritty.

That is a really good first exposure.

My first exposure, yes, Ronica Mars with the amazing, hairy Harry Hamlin, and that was when I knew.

I was like, there's something about this actor.

She is amazing.

It's one of those it's true pop culture iconography because it's not just one thing, it's so many different things.

Obviously, our guest is a beloved, memorable fixture from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and now has like I feel, had this incredible new wind as like a fashion icon, which always has been it was always true, but it's truly walking in motion now and I think I could call it the highlight of our awards show of our lost culture is those culture Awards, particularly one moment, all of it.

But you know, in the moment I'm talking about.

There were several highlights, much like Kelly Clarkson's hair during the first season of American Idol.

You really just went there.

And by went there, I mean showed that we are millennial gay guys.

But there were several highlights.

I think one of the most stunning streaks of the show was our guest truly giving an embodied performance.

This is where you go.

That's right.

She's an actor, she is she knows how to play in a heightened reality like this.

I thought Moore was on stage.

I thought I was, like many people thought to me, more on stage.

We had to make a big show out of announcing our guest so that the audience could tell what was happening.

But I mean, I think there was just a lot of you know, discourse and chatter.

The next day and in the weeks after about that being a particular highlight of the show.

Absolutely, she's an Icontrius of fashion legend, she's an acting legend.

We love her.

She's a patron of theater.

Because we will get into this.

This is our first meeting.

Yeah, oh yes, of course you told me about this immediately.

And podcaster as well.

Let's not talk about the husband.

I listen to the pod.

It's presented by Deer Media alongside Yes, Harry Hamlin.

They continue to be a very rich duo in love, in life, in podcasting, and more and more.

We're so thrilled to geez here, everyone give it up for We're so happy.

That was so fun to just sit and listen to.

Well, I I could have that every day.

I would just walk around like a queen.

You should, like you should.

But the thing is, there is so much to talk with you about, about like the impact that you've had in the entertainment industry, the roles that you've played, both like you know, in terms of acting and in terms of like functioning in this industry.

You are truly what it means to be like a Hollywood man's day.

Well, thank you.

I certainly have survived for a very long time survived survivor.

I think I've been in the business now thirty six years.

Wow, But the word survive implies like perilies.

Damn, that's true.

But this business can be like that, you know it can.

And I feel like I feel like I'm still here, you know, because I am.

I'm still here and I've gotten to do so many great things thanks to you.

My last great thing I got to do was truly one of the highlights.

I'm not even kidding.

It won't be the final thing.

No, it certainly isn't going to be the final thing unless I'm dead.

No, with the awards like you are, welcome.

Back, Oh great, fantastic.

You're never going to get rid of me at this moment.

But that was so much fun because again, I think when I went to do my reality stint for eight years is just a very long time there for a while, people tend to forget that I'm an actor.

Yes, that's how I began, That's what I am, so to go and play those characters.

Yeah, dream come true.

It was really fun.

So thank you so much.

And I will say, like, when when I think people think you're you are like a little bit of a roar shock.

It's like, it's like you think of Lisa Renna, and probably everyone that watches pop culture may think of a different thing.

Is that your experience it is?

And of late mostly is that damn eminem at least one of those.

Feelings, your honest feelings about the eminem, because I imagine it's complicated.

It's complicated only because I think it's so weird, because I literally did that campaign fifteen years.

Ago, right, so with Joey Fatone?

Who else was it?

Joey Fatone and I were doing the red carpet for the TV Guide network.

Now who thought of that casting?

Sure?

Yeah, but that's that's what I mean though.

That's probably when like you, I remember you on a carpet, I remember you on a red carpet, like interviewing that was like the Lisa ren I first, all right, that.

Lisa Reno was with Joey Fatone on the red carpet.

They came to us, paid us a good chunk of money, from what I remember money.

Do you want to be an eminem?

Wouldn't you want to be?

Absolutely?

We would you would be like yes?

But so it does feel like an honor then, because I can't look at that, and I amount that is iconic.

Oh, it's so.

I mean back then I thought it was iconic, and that was before social media, was before everything, before the damn phones.

Really, so the fact that it came back fifteen years later on TikTok is what I can't figure out.

Yeah, it's not up to us, it's not for us to know it's not.

It sort of isn't.

I guess it's sort.

Of this thing lately that I think is happening, which is it takes one person with not even a big platform, with the right platform, to say I want to.

I even feel like that a little bit.

With the Cultural Awards.

It's like some of the polls, like from like New Culture and Old Culture, we feel like we're rolling the dice, Like it's like, are people going to remember this reference?

And then they do do and it suddenly gets life, you know.

But I do think that's what we're living in right now, Like, because the Lisa eminem is an iconic image, if the right person puts that forth, we can expect in twenty twenty five going forward that that might just dominate exactly.

But you don't think, but you don't think it's an accident though, because it's like, on the one hand, there's something totally let's say random about the eminem coming back, but then on the other it's this very intentional thing that you're in control over, which is, I'm going to show up to fashion Week.

I'm gonna dress in like this Balenciaga to commemorate the Beunsliaga of like the last whatever years.

You are making choices in your own life.

And then on the parallel track is like, oh, the internet just dug up this thing from fifteen years ago, you know what I mean?

Yeah, we're still playing the Amsterdam episode of Housewives, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it will keep, it will keep working in tandem with whatever you decide to do.

And thank you very much and thank god.

I guess right.

I think that's the beauty of it all.

And it's so funny to see my kids reaction.

What do they think?

What the girls think?

You know?

What?

Can you imagine having me as your mom?

I mean you probably both can.

But similar to you, and I went back and watched your first episode in season five.

I was like gonna be like refreshed, did you is just in preparation for this episode and the first I don't know if you remember this.

The first moment of the family is Harry brings in a snake from the garden and Amelia and Delilah are like, oh, get that out, and it's this beautiful moment of family.

And then when you're talking how you're like, I'm never happier than when all four people are under one.

That's the truth.

But you still feel the way that way has not changed.

Nothing's really changed, to be honest.

I think now that they're older, they're just seeing everything is being sent to them, and you know, as mom, you don't go, oh here, you guys want to go watch Days of Our Lives or Melrose Place or whatever, and so they're getting it sent to them now.

And I think they get a kick out of me, which is you want your kids to get a kick out of you.

Well, also it's because it's they're probably now reaching the age or approaching that time when like they can now see you from when you were similar age to them.

Yes, there's a lot of that, especially Days of Our Lives.

I mean that's the same age that Delilah is right now.

I did that, so it really truly is it's fascinating and it's been so fun and I'm so grateful.

I mean, look what I've gotten to do for so many years.

Yeah, yeah, and it changes all the time, and it's because you.

Know, you know what the thing is.

And this is why we were so enthusiastic about having you at the Culture Awards and we're so excited to have you here, is because you know, you're always going to bring fun and I feel like we try to center a lot of fun in what we do, and I feel like when you arrived, you brought such a great energy to the show and such different specific energies to each of those moments, and it all ended up in that moment of law Roach giving you the Outfit of the Year award for Lisa whatever the fuck she wants.

I mean, come on, that to me was the highlight of the show.

That was your speech.

Oh like, your speech was the highlight of the show because I felt like, and it happening on Bravo too, I thought was so special because how about that?

Yeah?

That wow?

About that?

You know what's funny?

Like we were putting this, putting the show together in the edit, and obviously you know you were there.

The show was long.

We recorded for about three hours.

Yes, but I said, you know what, all parts of this Lisa in a speech have to be there because I was like, you, people have to understand this is going to really resonate with an audience that did know Lois, that did see the girls grow up, that is going to be happy to see you, like winning one of the.

Final awards of the night, even though they're silly awards.

The still moment of recognission, I feel like it means something for it to happen on that network.

It certainly did, and I didn't expect it.

This kind of just came about, you know, and I was like, yes, yes, yes, I'll do anything.

And then you came up with the skits that I would do, Like I had no idee what I was going to do.

I was just like, yes, i'll do it.

I don't care what I do, I'll do it.

She's walking outfit of the year, I'll do whatever.

And so the fact that it's then on Bravo, how full circle?

Pretty full circle.

And I wasn't even ready for that full circle, do you know what I mean?

Like it came around and I was like, oh, maybe I am ready for it.

Yeah, what were the misgivings?

About it.

Were there any.

Well, yes, there were a few misgivings because my last moment on Bravo was not my finest hour.

It was it did not feel great to me.

It just felt just murky.

I wouldn't even say chaotic.

It was just like, wait, so we can't like as an audience, I'll speak for us, like we didn't know how to feelbout it because we're like, well, we don't none of us can know what really happened about which we don't have to talk about it.

But it's like there's no resolution for the audience or for you.

Yeah, but the way that we see Lisa brynnant this yeah, true wonderful, prevalent figure in the Bravo verse, and then you're just kind of like go away, and it's it's there's a feeling of like unease there.

And so I I'm so grateful that you came back and did the show because it just felt like there was a period on it.

Finally, that's what.

It gave me, to be honest with you, to be able to go back in that way in a in a winning way, you know, I felt like a winner as opposed to being booed on you know the stage it probably Yeah, I have.

To say I couldn't believe that that I happened and we weren't there for that one.

But but that felt really like and you know, we talk oftentimes about how like in times when it feels like you can't it's like the things you love the most sometimes when you're a fan of something are the things that you like feel you can lash out on a little bit.

And with bravidiance, for sure, I was gonna say, it feels even more intense.

So it almost feels like they weren't booing you as a human.

They were booming you as an extension and be to be part of the show.

But still you're up there a human being being sued.

But you know, it's funny because I actually took it as a good thing when it happened.

Because to me, even though I'm Lisa Renna on Beverly Hills Housewives, I'm a character.

I mean, you're not really getting to see the full me, Like you see this much of me, and you see me reacting off of other women being crazy or throwing things at me, things that are not necessarily in my wheelhouse in my day to day life.

So when I went out at first, It's funny because I was standing in line with Erica.

I had no idea that was going to happen.

She says to me, they may boo you.

I turned around.

I was like, what do you mean.

She goes, they might boo you just get ready.

I was like, oh, I didn't even think about it.

So when they did, it wasn't like such a shock because she had literally just said it to me two seconds earlier, and my reaction was like, okay, cool.

In the back my mind because the wrestlers I used to watch on TV, The Good Ones.

One book, I was going to bring up wrestling, but it's not wrestling though, because there is like some of the conflicts are there's a layer of stagedness to but.

It's real, real, real, Henny.

It's real.

It's not like the underticker the rock Stone, cald Steve Austin walking out there like it's Lisa Renna, It's Erica Jane.

These are people who and and then like the seasons that like proceed from that also are informed by these moments, like a Bravo con this is what happened, Like yeah, because that's the difference here.

The veil of between reality and the heightened version of reality is very thin.

It's very thin like that.

But that must be that must affect you in some way.

Well, it's hard because if you come into it as an actor like I did, Yes, it's different if you come into it and you've really never done anything before, like Sagery.

She comes into it, she's done many other things, but she's never been on camera showing her real life.

I think it's easier for someone like Dree than it is actually for me to come in.

And I can see why in the very beginning, because you know, I was up for the show in the very beginning and Andy said, no, no actors.

And I can see why he said that, because as an actor, you know, we view cameras and directors and producers and everybody differently than if you're doing a reality show.

And I'll never forget I had a meeting with everybody because I wasn't so sure about it at first, and the producer came in and he said, I'm just going to give you some advice.

Think out loud.

You need to think out loud, and I'm like, what the fuck does that mean?

But as as an actor, I went oh, I need to think out loud.

Well, I certainly did, do you know what I'm saying an issue for you?

But in my real life I never said how I felt like.

I mean, I grew up not being somebody that was expressive that way.

So at first it was hard for me, and then of course it.

Just and there wasn't almost liberating there for a while.

It's kind of like, because I remember when I started watching Housewives, because there was a time in my life where I was saying, just the one thing I know I'll never do is I'm not going to watch the Real Housewives, and then and then it was like, oh, I remember one time.

It was literally I was just like, it just doesn't feel like it's for me, and I put on I believe.

The first franchise I watched was New York and I put it on and I was just like, wait, I feel like I get this.

And what I really felt like improved about me from watching it was I wasn't scared to be like, hey, I have an issue with what you just did and I want to talk about it exactly.

It actually exactly.

To not become a more confrontational person.

But it made me understand that conflict can actually not all the time as we see on the show, but oftentimes it was a result result be resolved and make people better and make friendship stronger.

For example, when you were first on the show, you and Jury just could not see eye to eye until you had that conversation in the.

On the wheel in the wheel and that wheels the wheel weird thing in the Vegas and.

Then it felt like you guys never really had a major issue.

Again, No, and that's.

The beauty also of that show.

If you can work through things, which of course in real life you don't.

Do a whole lot right because you're not being forced to.

You're not being forced to and being forced to.

I have to tell you, it was so uncomfortable.

I am somebody who does not like conflict, if you can believe it.

No, it really it did help.

Me in many ways.

It also helped me in my acting, Yeah, for sure, because you really have to say how you feel, you think about how do I feel right now and express it.

That's hard as a real person.

Of course.

But I think what you innovated in the show across all the franchises is I think you were the first housewife to break the Fourth Wall and to.

Break a glass note and to break.

A glass but thank god you did to make it fourth wall and say I'm here to make a TV that is the actor in you.

Ah, well, that's true, and I can't help that.

I was there to make good TV.

I wasn't there to make best friends.

I wasn't there to get a fan base to love me.

I'm not one of those people that go on Twitter and find out what everyone's saying and then skew that so that I don't be you know, don't have horrible people.

You and I mean started at the same time, which was interesting, and he's like no actors, and then he brings on too at the.

Same time, which was quite brilliant to soap actors.

I mean we both came from soaps in a sense.

Yeah, we loved Ailien too.

We missed her.

Are you connected with Aleens?

I do.

I mean I talked to her from time to time, but you know, you don't work with people again, of course you lose that little moment.

But when I see her, of course, I just she's one of the special ones.

Yes, So one of the things that I feel like is a symptom of being in this business is those things happen, right.

You book a job, you become close with people, and then as a result of the job ending, you do move on or you make new you know friends and you know relationships and.

New jobs and that purpose.

It's so different in what we do.

But for a show like Housewives, where it is you're performing as friends, but also it is real and you are real friends.

Have you kept those friends?

Like are you still close with not to say your allies on the show, but the people who like had your back on the show.

I am yeah.

Like this weekend I went to Kyle Richards's daughters, Alexia Alexia's wedding.

She invited me herself.

Alexia invited me, and I've known her since she was, oh my god, a young girl.

Yeah.

And to me, even though I don't see those women all the time, I will go and support in love, in friendship, in all of that, because whether we're trauma bonded or what we are the bond, there is a bond there.

And I love a handful of those women.

I think you all know which ones.

I don't even think I have to tell you which I really do.

And I have dinner with them and you know, they did want to film me, and I said no.

I did say no to the filming at the wedding because I didn't feel that that was what it was about.

I was there, Oh, they were shooting the wedding.

They shot it sort of a little bit.

I mean they had producer cameras there, which iPhones on steroids, you know what I mean.

But I felt, no, you're not going to get me back that way.

I'm going to go and support my friend and her daughter and my my other friends at this wedding.

Yeah, I felt good about that saying no, I'd love to come, but no, you can't shoot me.

That's what you're in control.

That's that's what you were saying earlier.

I'm going to show you this much, and it gets to be on your terms.

Now, see, when you're doing that show, it really doesn't get to be on your terms, you know, and on a lot of I mean, does it get to be on your terms?

On Saturday Night Live question right.

On weeks where you're like, I've got nothing, the well is bone dry, I still have to write a sketch that probably won't be received.

Well, then that's like docs against me, you know, It's that kind of thing.

This is like I want to talk about soap acting.

Oh, because this is you guys have to be off book on reams of paper of.

Forty pages, sometimes of dialogue forty I would have twenty to forty pages of dialogue a day.

How long did you do?

Three years?

Three years of days?

Three years?

Yeah, so that's first job.

Really, that's that's olympic.

It's olympic.

But it trains you.

You know, if you don't get the chance to go to Juilliard or you know.

Yale, or do you get your education?

Oh honey, you get your education.

You learn how to be professional.

Because you've got forty people waiting for you.

You can't fuck around.

Nope, You're like, you better know your lines.

And most of the time I would be working with people that have been on the show for years and years and years that used cue cards, because that's how after being on the show for twenty five years you got to It's very hard to learn, of course, of course, so to learn how to act with somebody who's looking over here while you're here was very difficult.

I could never do the que cards, so I had to memorize my life.

Got it?

I mean there is there's a common thing among soap actors where Sarah Sherman said this when she when she went on General Hospital, she was like, can you guys cry on cue?

All the actors go which I?

Which I?

They do?

It's true, yes, and that's why I want Oh didro Hall could cry out it?

She'd say, do you want left or right?

Which I is the title of that?

Which seriously so cut to when I had the moment with the bunny on Housewives.

Oh my god, did you which I here?

No, no, because I never could do it.

It just happened accidentally.

I could never make that happen.

But I was so proud because I did it.

But I didn't really do it.

But I did it, No, because you were living accident.

You did it with the camera that is.

I think it's it's.

Top five all Bravo images.

Is just you glaring at her with that.

Telling you the genius of their editing at times, I mean, come on, and the crackling of the cellophane.

I actually just every time we go into the clubhouse.

We've been lucky to go many times, but this last time, everyone where we where we went to go promote the Cultural Awards, I was like, not only am I looking at the bunny, I'm holding the bunny.

She does crackle, she crackles.

And the way that they did that in the editing, it's so good.

You know, I didn't plan that.

I went and got a present and instead of wrapping it, they were like, do you want it in cellophane with a bow?

Yeah, Like, there's no planning to it.

That's what butterfly effect, that's what that.

Is the magic.

Anytime that can happen, that's the magic.

Yeah, you can't plan it.

You're doing something actually good for somebody or trying to and then it turns into this meme that is never going to go away.

Really so, because I always feel whenever we have someone on the show that's gone through the reality show process, one of the things I think is the most interesting is how it feels to see yourself edited into a character, because they do have to do that, and of course it's you, but it is there are edges they have to give you depending on what they need season to season.

So leaving Housewives out of it because you move on from Housewives and now we're going to see you on the Traders, I wonder about, like what it was like to I've obviously have that put to you and be like, look, here's an opportunity to do the Traders.

You know, it's a fun show, but it's another opportunity for us to edit you.

So can you talk through what the process was just without even getting into right now what happened getting that offer and feeling like, okay, am I engaging?

Well?

First I said I do not want to do it.

No, no, no, no, no.

You said no, wow?

Why?

Well, because I watched it and I thought it's enjoyable to watch.

I don't want to do it stressful?

Is that why?

And reality?

And really I just was quite ready when I first when they were first like dangling it, I was like, I love to watch it, don't want to do it.

Yeah, But then then people started to say, oh my god, I think you'd be so great on it, Oh my god, have you really watched it?

And I'd only watched a little bit of it.

My agent's my managing.

All those people are like, I think you should do it.

I think it'd be the greatest thing for you, and here's why, X Y and Z.

So I kept getting a lot of that, a lot of that, and listen it's not like I don't.

I will listen if it starts to make sense to me and I can start to go okay, I authentically can understand that.

And so because it's won the Emmy, Alan just won I think his second Emmy, So you know, I know how that kind of stuff works.

So I'm no dummy to go right.

Yeah, it's different.

It's a gameplay too.

And it's a game, and so I did a lot of talking and research and asking questions, and they were very open with me at Peacock if you need to talk to us, you know, because I wasn't sure.

What really made me go, you know what I'm going to do.

It is that it's a game.

It's not real.

So you're playing a game, which again in my mind is like I can be an actor playing a character in a sense.

It doesn't have to be like I'm not going to go in and be mean to somebody right now.

For real, it's a game.

You might have to be accusational, you might have to try a trick someone into saying something, but it's a game.

And I didn't see any cruelness or meanness in a sense that you can see it in the housewifranchise.

I didn't see it interesting because then is the gameplay taking pressure off of you as an actor?

To go I don't have to worry about making good TV in the same way that I did on Housewives.

Well, you know, unfortunately, I always worry about making I always think about making that unfortunate.

That's not unfortunately what I do.

You know, it's in my mind.

It isn't unfortunate, but that's how my brain works.

It's not like I'm trying to make good TV.

The producing gisation is not correct, but it's just you're just thinking about how to be entertaining exactly.

Because I'm an entertainer.

At the end of the day, I consider myself an entertainer.

Yes, right, yes, that's what I do.

So going in was terrifying.

I have to be honest, it was terrifying because number One, I'm terrible at playing games.

I'm just not a good game player.

Game night is not your night.

No, I'm good at Uno, that's it, you know, the Barlow God.

It's a pretty hard game to master.

But yeah, pretty good at Uno.

But that's it.

So I'm not a master game player.

I'm not a gamer, which is usually the show's very stacked with gamers, and those gamers know how to game man.

And this season, this upcoming season, you look at the cast like they did pick some fearsome Survivor winners.

Of Survivor, like big time winners of Big Brother.

So I think that is the part that scared me.

It was like, I'm going to suck, but okay, why not, Let's go try it.

And again, I always think, if you can get a good piece of real estate on television, take it, take it, you take it.

And that's what Lisa Renna thinks, like this was a great piece of real estate offered to me, take it or leave it, and I took it.

That's basically it, because I know I can I can do something with good real estate.

I can't do that much with shitty real estate, but I can do something with good real estate.

Of course, it's an investment.

And honestly, you must have known Alan, right, you knows.

No, I am so obsessed with him, talk about the most professional, most awesome performer shows up, does his job on time like wow, yeah, he's well yeah, and he produces it also it matters to him.

Yes, I can't talk much about it.

I love to but I was so impressed with him.

I don't even know if I can say this, but I'm going to say it.

Yeah, when we do the round table, Sure, when Alan comes in and it's such a big deal and they pipe it all up and they get you all going, he stands in the back the entire time, just standing there.

You don't see him on camera, but sometimes that goes on for an hour, an hour and a half, he's standing there listening.

I thought that was, well, it's pretty amazing, you know what I mean.

Like, I think he probably takes it seriously as the performer because it's he knows it's his job too.

He's the master of ceremonies and to speak, not dissimilar to his iconic role as the MC and cabaret.

He knows what it means to set tone.

Oh and does he set that tone?

Honey?

And I think you had to.

I felt that you have to rise to that occasion also in your own way, like everyone brings their own thing to it.

And that is what was exciting.

I thought, I think you hearing you talk about him, you would be an incredible host of a show like that.

Would be fun.

It would be fun.

Now that I've watched great a great host do it.

Yeah, because boy does he deserve those emmys.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

And you're in the drag Race family.

Yeah you guessed that four three three on Logo.

On Love.

I miss I missed her being a lube commercial, right, you know what I mean?

Like there, it used to really be for the community.

I mean at the time, nobody knew what.

It was exactly.

And of course I was like, you bet, you'll do it.

I'll go to the competition.

Ever, but I'd never seen like it.

Same thing though real Estate Prime real Estate on TV and like you you will do good with that real estate, no matter, and like that must mean that you thought our little show was the same.

I knew it.

Very honored, of course I knew it.

Look at it's the two of you.

Stop, It's true.

I'm no dummy that way.

I know those things.

You know.

Oh quickly.

I have to say I caught up with Eric Noam recently and he said that he had a fabulous time.

He really likes you.

How has Lisa?

He said, Lisa's very good and he was very tight lipped about it as well.

You gotta be that's part of it.

Like whenever so.

I adore him.

He's wonders.

I adored everybody actually good like everybody it.

Did, but he was the show like a good cast because even the housewives they had chosen.

I got really excited because there's been a couple of housewives that I've been saying for a while would be really good.

You've been one of them.

Candace was one of them.

Love Candace Love.

Just like there was a really good vibe and energy around it.

But I just wanted to ask, because another big opportunity with this show is the fashion and now you are you are, you know, an icon in this regard.

So how long were you planning looks?

How long did you have to plan looks?

You have?

I had a while.

I had a while.

I thought about it for a long time because I, okay, you got Alan.

Yeah, Alan is the king of the looks.

Absolutely he is.

He's it.

Yeah, So I thought long and hard about it.

I could have brought fashion Renna in, I could have brought Cotur Renna, and I could have brought all of that.

Didn't bring any of that in.

Okay, Well, you're gonna have to wait and see.

You're gonna have to wait and see.

It's like a vibe that I put together or that we put together that just felt like it worked.

We had a fitting and we just tried all this stuff on and we just created outfits and we created a vibe.

There is a trader's vibe.

It's nothing that you've ever seen.

Oh that's so exciting.

I mean, so I have to imagine that you and your stylists.

It must be the most fun.

It is.

It's the most fun.

I love fashion and expressing myself that way more than anything besides acting.

Because I can play characters.

I can have so much fun.

And I'm not afraid.

I'm really not afraid in fashion, and I don't know where that comes from.

I really don't know why.

I take the risks that I do much more than most women would do, especially even most women at my age.

They just don't.

They do the same thing different.

Well, they're afraid, right, It's just it's fear.

It's safer to like stay in your safe, you know.

Lane, I'm like, fuck that.

I want to just blow it out of the water.

I want to do everything, and I've had the time of my life, so it's fun.

Every time.

It's different.

It's just different.

Every time you.

So much like that in high school?

Like what like what what was your what was your like sartorial vibe in like high school and being a young person.

I wanted so badly to be that in high school.

But I grew up in a very very small town in mer Medford, Oregon, and I was vilified for doing it like I did at one time, and I was so bullied that I was scared to death to do it again.

So I went back to like my you know, short shorts, and.

Do you remember what it was?

You were exactly I know exactly what was it?

I got my first Fogue magazine at sixteen.

I forget who was on the cover.

I should remember that, but there was a picture inside a girl wearing a sweater dress, a burgundy sweater dress, buttons down the back.

I don't think anyone had ever seen that.

Sure, brown suede pumps.

Yeah, back in nineteen you guys, I wore that.

It went down to San Francisco, we went shopping.

I literally found that outfit.

I wore it, and no, ma'am uh huh never again.

So they were threatened, well, they were scared.

They didn't know I look like her freak to.

That because if she's rolling the dice, I might have to roll the dice and I'm not ready to.

Oh.

No, whatever it was, it was too soon, too early, too much, But it started then, it started even maybe before that, I think.

So then you withdraw I withdrew safe.

At what point do you venture back out?

Well, let's see, not too far, not too far from now.

I mean it hasn't been that, you know, think about it Housewives.

I was still pretty safe in Housewives.

I started with the wigs and wearing some.

While you were on it.

It did start to become We're bringing glam on vacation.

Well, Erica Jane showed up definitely.

Once Eric showed up, we were like, oh.

And then to Reach shows up and we were like.

Yeah, you can't.

They forced us, and they forced all of us to step up.

That's when it happened.

It affected all the franchises.

It did.

It really did.

So then my eyes opened up and I thought, oh, and then I started wearing wig and then forget it.

Then it was just like, this is way more fun than doing the same thing I've always done.

You have one of the best spaces for wigs.

Ever you think you transformed.

I'm always going to be on record saying one of the worst because it's still me.

I think you can still tell that it's me.

It works though, really well.

Wearing a wig, and especially a mustache, is it must mustache transforms me?

You become sort of domb top bowe, which we all appreciate.

Wait say that again, dumb dom top bow domb top bowing.

I get it.

I got it now, Wow, I just flow it down.

Is really but basically like the wig of it all, like, does it.

Looks it looks when you when you look like that?

Does it change you lightly?

But I'm saying there is something transformative.

It's true.

I agree, I agree.

I look at myself like who is that which I love?

I love because I want to be more than one, Lisa Rena, there should be many, and there are, like they're all over the place.

You can pick which one you want.

An eminem for cristisake exactly.

Well, speaking of characters.

We we were so excited when we found out, Uh, the culture that made you say culture was for you was we found out in advance this time.

So now we'll put it to you and we'll get into it.

At least Rina, what was the culture that made you say culture was for.

You dynasty and it's such a perfectnast dynasty.

Can I say that answer ties together everything about you, all of it?

Okay, there you go, there.

You go right there?

Do you know what I mean?

I do?

I absolutely do.

That changed my life.

So fashion like being a like housewife and quote unquote fighting yep.

Crab, you know, cat fighting, all of it.

Who knew that that was going to even be my destiny when I was watching it?

But think about it.

But to talk us through the encounter with it at first, whatever memories you have of just like tuning into that show, I.

Remember it was so life altering coming from the small town in Medford, Oregon and seeing these iconic women, the Glamor Crystal and Alexa, Alexis, Alexis, I was gonna say, like such a christ come on.

It was just so visually exciting and then what they got to do and the emotions and everything they were as women.

We'd never seen anything like it.

Of course, it felt like this like operatic thing where you have an Alexis standing on a balcony and like showing the fucking documents, you know, or was like Alexis and the documents, the documents or Alexis and Diane Carroll like saying Champagne has burnt like it's so.

And the outfits, the clam like we had never seen anything like it, and it embodied such fabulousness that it was an escape, it was a challenge, it was it was life.

And you knew it was a heightened reality that it was not on this planet.

Because I'm gonna say, as someone who grew up there, it took place in in Denver.

That's right, because it took place in Denver.

No one in Denver looked like that, no one.

But here's what I'll say.

When you don't know, you believe it.

You believe when they said in Denver.

Because I'm from Long Island.

I didn't know anything about Denver really until we met.

You just bought that as a glamorous place.

I think because you see the mountains in your mind's eye, you know what I mean.

It's like they sort of think of it as colorad, right.

And if you thought Aspen, we didn't even know what Aspen was after.

Wasn't as that I would have believed to get a lot of real estate from.

I think people not knowing the difference between Denver and aspect.

I think so too, and leave it to Aaron Spelling.

I mean, really, come on, look what he's given us.

But so then, like when you and I just keep going back to this quote because I think it is really defining for you in a way that is powerful.

Like when you when you think of making good TV, like that's what you think of, you think of Dynasty because that is the formative television and it's.

Also what I want to see.

I think, yes, you know, deep down I want to see another Dynasty, Like that's the escapism that I think.

If Housewives can get back to that, it's it's become a little bit meet Sure.

Well, do you know when it got closest in them in recent memory?

And we talk about this scene all the time is when you and Denise sat down at the end of that season.

And I know this was a.

Tough season, and I know that, like this is probably a relationship that was meaningful to you at one point and that makes it hard.

But you guys really knew what your assignment was when you sat down on that couch and she said you're playing dirty and you said, ooh, you're so angry.

I mean, just the two of you were were you were doing that and as yours.

It's true, Yeah, that.

Must have been a weird thing because it's like, here you are and she's obviously, like you know, has a storied career in her own right, and like came from you know, similar projects, and then you're both on this show.

It's a different five is a different flame.

But you're sitting there and you're on this couch and you guys are both looking incredible and you're looking at each other in the eyes, and you're doing this chess game, and so it's like you're getting to actualize this thing.

But it's also.

Personal exactly, which made it so difficult, complicated, super complicated.

It's one thing, if you're playing a character, you can go home.

I was home, so I.

Was.

But you know that's what was so complicated.

And that scene went on for good two and a half hours.

You saw how much of it.

Yeah, I don't even know, really really complicated.

You know, I wouldn't I wouldn't wish working with any of my friends again, Yeah, in a situation like that, right, because I don't think it behooves anyone, It didn't serve any of us, right, I don't think ultimately, Ultimately, no, it's better if you don't know people.

Yes, of course they want you to know people.

So I feel that that's sad that we get into that situation on that show.

And again I go to, you know, I know how to make a good show, and and that's my I'm going to do that.

Yeah, And then if your friendship gets in the way of that, which you've seen mine has a few times, it's just really sad, you know, at the end of the day.

I mean, this is where like the boundaries start to you know, be so undefined.

But the corollary to that is that you are able to have this beautiful, loving, wonderfully collaborative relationship with Harry now a podcast like yeah, yeah, but that's that's how you know, Like it's yeah, there's no mechanism that's like flawed within you.

It's like, you know how to have a meaningful, loving relationship with something that you work with, Yes, with Harry.

Yes, And it's just it's it's disappointing when that doesn't work out.

But that's life, baby, you know, sometimes it doesn't.

Sometimes it doesn't, And and you can never be in someone's head like I always sometimes think like, oh, I wonder if they walked away from that scene thinking well, we just know that even though whatever, but.

Like, oh, it definitely wasn't that well and then and then over time things reveal themselves and it's like you never really do know what people are going through, which is you know, a sad reality about all of that.

Yeah, truly.

What I love about you and Harry's relationship is that it feels incredibly authentic through the screen and now also on the podcast because on the podcast you can just listen.

I listened to the episode when you had just come back from from Traders, and I was like listening, and I was like, I don't know this to be true, but I was like, I bet she's not telling him what happened in like even behind closed doors.

Oh not.

At that point, he hadn't heard anything like you have to be careful too, like how much because he watches it also because he doesn't want to hear about everything.

Yeah, And it also doesn't translate.

Yeah, it doesn't translate very well when you're not there, when your partner's not there and you've gone through a really intense experience.

Because it's intense.

I think anybody that you talk to that's gone.

It was the hardest thing you've done.

You believe that it's challenging.

Yeah, it's super, super, super challenging.

I would say for me, I feel like The Traders is like it's going to be so exciting and I'm just like so excited for it.

But just to talk about the podcast a little bit more, because I really do feel like you and Harry are like such a stand the test of time thing.

And what I really love about you guys is it does feel like, still to this day, you're like into each other.

Yeah, I would say we are.

I would say after thirty three years, it's not crazy.

Always was it?

What was it?

What was the vibe at first?

Because he's Harry Hamler.

I mean he's Harry Hamlin.

He was Harry Hamlin at first, and I was I was just starting and so I was a little bit starstruck.

Huh when I first met him.

Well, of course, you know, it was like it's Harry Hamlin.

I think people in our generation don't really ununderstand that he was a big deal.

He was like a brad pitt Ish.

Yeah, I mean it was, you know, on a huge show that was watched by thirty million people.

You know, La Long was watched by thirty million people.

There are three networks at the time, so it was this huge show.

He'd been the sexiest man alive, he'd been in Clash of the Titans.

He was really a big deal.

And I was just like, oh no, no, no, I just didn't even see myself in that position at all.

So it took a minute.

And he had just been divorced.

It's just getting divorced, so that's not a real like ooh yeah, I want.

That, sure, sure, So then cared about was like the initial sort of like the courtship.

The courtship, well, it was all fucked up really.

That's why it's so interesting that we ended up staying together because it wasn't like love at first sight.

It wasn't like it was complicated.

It was fraught and it took time.

I mean, we didn't get married for five and a half years.

Now.

Was that because it was it was happening at a bizarre time in Hollywood.

Is this like small town is like?

Is No?

It was just he was fucked up by his marriage.

He s gotten out of it.

Timing wasn't great and he'd been married twice, you didn't want to get married again.

Like, I wasn't the stereotypical mother archetype that he usually would go for.

So at first he was like, well, you're not what I'm used to.

So it was challenging.

We did not come right together.

We fell in love.

It took time we became friends first, Like he tried to get me to go to Aspen for Christmas and I said no, I was.

Like, too serious.

I don't know you.

I'm going to go home to my parents in Oregon.

Most women would go to Aspen.

Like could have been good for me in a sense.

Maybe, I don't know, but it was authentic to me.

It was just like, ew, I don't really know this guy.

I mean, he was cute, he's gorgeous, but yet I was leary.

At first.

I was literally he drove.

A Porsche yeah, yeah, and he was a little.

Too likes maybe well, he was slick and he was gorgeously and he was a big star at the time, and I just wasn't used to it.

I was just like, I don't know.

And then I got to know him.

He called me every day for two weeks while he was an Aspen Wow, And that's when I got to know him and thought, it's a really good guy.

I guess this is what we're asking, like, yeah, you know, the beginnings of it obviously tumultuous.

But when you're talking about then we fell in love, what was that like?

It was the calling every day from asspan, Like, like, how did you get to know each other?

Because that's what that's what like laid the foundation for all that.

That's it talking on the phone because we didn't have anything else.

You just had the phone.

Yeah, there's no cell phones, there's none of that.

You just talked.

We would call me and we would talk, and we got to know each other over a two week period.

I think he called every day, God love him.

Yeah.

And then when he came back, I said, he asked me out to dinner, and I said yes, And then it just blossomed from there because there was a sense of connection over I like who you are, and I think you felt the same about me.

You'd have to ask him, and so it blossomed from that.

Now, Yes, he's always been hot, and that's always helpful.

When you have two people that two people that are attracted physically, it's helpful because down the line, you know, that's the first thing you start to devalue people.

That's what happens in a relationship.

It's very easy to do.

They bug me, this is you know, and so we're very cognizant of that.

Also, like if that starts to feel like it's happening, we'll go to therapy.

I feel like we work on it because it's not easy.

Do you do therapy as like upkeep or do you do regular therapy?

Both depending, Like right now we're in therapy because I just feel we both were like, let's do it right now.

We've kind of grown in separate directions doing a lot of things.

We need to come back together.

Yep, yep.

So helpful and I'm not afraid to do that.

Yeah, I would imagine too that.

It's also like when your kids not only grow up, have become super successful and busy, like then.

You're empty nesters.

Do not only.

Empty nesters, but also like empty nesters and like what they're doing it?

Yeah they are, they're doing it.

Thank God, they're out there doing it major way they are, And we're so proud.

I mean, it's you know, listen, that's what we are the most proud of is that I think that whatever we did, because you know, as a parent, you don't know what you're doing, You really don't.

You just do the best you can to be there for your children and give them the best upbringing that you can.

But you don't.

I mean, come on, our parents who knew what they were doing.

Seriously, like, we're all lucky to still be alive, and.

God love you do realize that at some point, I think, now I'm my dad's age when he had me, and I was like, that's interesting thinking about myself having a kid right now, and that's like you know of someone that I it's it's.

Think about it, like, God love them, God bless them, and God loved them.

And then listen, we have to figure out what happened to us, and then God forbid what those poor kids are going to have to go through in their own therapy.

How we have, you know, helped them, but how also we have given them you know, bad habits.

Who knows it happens with everybody, but both of us, Harry and myself, feel that whatever we did, because we really don't know what we did, we turned out some good humans, good human beings, kind, compassionate, good girls.

And I'm very proud of that.

They do.

They remain really close.

They do now, they weren't for a minute.

Those girls can fight, you know, girls can love and then hate each other.

Difference again three years.

Yeah, it's just that Goldilocks zone where like they love each they love each other forever.

But also, oh we went through a couple of years and woo, yeah, very uncomfortable.

But now they're very close, back together with their sisters, you know what I mean, but super supportive of each other in this business that they're both in, which can be very tricky.

Is it still very very competitive?

Yes, more than ever.

I just I guess I never really That world is still in no foreign Yeah.

Well it's foreign to me too, to be honest with you.

Well, I love it and I just jumped right into it, of course to kind of watch it all and manage it all.

And but I don't know that world.

It's a vicious world, actually vicious.

And it's about how you look, honey, periodiod.

But at the end of the day, it is about who you are.

It is about your personality.

It is how you work with people and how well you work with people.

Because if you're to choose from you know, ten gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous women.

Do you want to work with a cunt?

I don't know if I can say that, but I just like, do you want to work with a cunt?

Or do you want to work with somebody who's really cool and game and kind?

You go so and sometimes it's funny too, like when you real like I've been watching there's the new documentary on HBO Max about supermodels, and which one if there's one with Isabella Rossalini actually might have not seen that.

A polinea porscope I believe is on it.

It's got Jerry Hall.

Yeah, it's good, it's and it's really it's it's talking a lot about the aesthetic changing.

Like it's like from from when modeling kind of started, like in the forties when it was really just like women, you know, trying on clothes just so, and then it became more about like attitude, energy.

The lifestyle.

Yes, individuality in terms of the way you present the clothing, which leads into you know, the Victoria's secret of it all and like the et cetera.

But it's just really interesting how personality, you know, like with Naomi Campbell, she has her reputation as being someone that's like always late, a diva, gonna throw something, But then it can't really be true because she's had the most last.

In career of almost anyone all the entertainment industry.

Right, I know.

So it's like, I know, it's really interesting to watch, I have to say.

But I think for you, you get to enter this space with ease, I would say, because you have a point of view already.

And the reason we all have fashion as actors is because you are playing a character.

Again, not all the.

Models understand that.

You have to find a way in that way.

Yes, it might not be playing a character, but you already have a built in mechanism and be like, I'm gonna put the clothes on, I'm gonna be someone else.

I'm gonna be Petro Pascal and to protect you, you know what I mean?

That was your favorite of the looks to wear at the Cultural Awards.

So hard to choose because I loved every single one of them.

Besides that, you want what was that?

What was that?

Was that?

Archivalrell the carpet.

I did some random it's it's a name.

I couldn't even tell you right now.

Stunning, It's so fun, right, scup really was on the red carpet.

I love it.

I think Pedro was my favorite at the end of the day, I do.

I mean I love Timothy also because it was so fun to embody the vibe that I thought was him.

I had so much fun.

I went for it.

I did.

I was like, I'm going to be these characters.

It was so funny backstage getting ready because I was very particular.

It had to look a certain way, and they wanted to throw like this kind of strange Gautier on me, and I was like, no, it's not right.

And so I ended up drawing on the one for Timothy because the one because his was pretty sparse, and the one they had it was sick.

And I was like no, no, no, no no, And the makeup boarders didn't want to hand me the pencil and I was like, no, you have to just let me do it.

And I just did it.

And then it worked out.

I had to do it.

The right had to be perfect.

Well, you have to be you to subconsciously feel comfortable.

That's right, otherwise you can't come out as fully as you did.

I remember like we were we were like putting it together and It was in the script that the first one was gonna be Demean Moore's yellow coat and the substance, And I remember you came out looking so exactly like her.

I was like, is this the right first one?

Because it looks like to me?

I was like, are people going to know that's Lisa Renna?

That's right there?

That I was like, I was like, is it.

Should we switch it because or should we have it come out like so that people can really establish because the culture rewards just so I say this with love for us.

It's so dumb that like it's like it's anything could have been, anything, could have.

Been at any Yeah, I was like, are people going to think that's to me?

Because it looks like to me?

Right?

But then like, honestly, I'm so happy because it landed her.

It just worked.

I'm telling you, I didn't established what the joke was it did.

It just worked?

Yeah.

And you know it's funny because I didn't know what I was going to be doing, right, And then I went to go do Traders, and.

Then I come back from Traders.

I'd just come back, and when i'd come back, they told me what I was doing.

So when I went I knew I was going to be doing, but I didn't know till I came back, and I'll never forget getting the visuals and screaming out loud.

I was so excited.

It was like one of the first things.

I was like, this is like a dream country.

I loved it so much.

And of course Tom was the first image.

It was actually, did you do you know?

You must do?

You know?

To me, I know her?

Yes, I mean I don't know her.

I know she did.

Come on, when that happens, you go, okay.

Yeah, thank god And Pedro commented on the patre One too.

I certainly did he did.

It was such a thrill waiting for comment from timoth Ay.

This was freedom, honey.

I could just go and play.

Thank you.

I will say.

The only thing that was cut out after some pushback was you and the Pedro outfit kissing Andy Cohen, and that was the special moment that we got on camera about.

Unfortunately we had to lose from from the broadcast.

I know, but it was a very important it was to be there.

I know, at the end of the.

Day, everything happens for a reason, and at the end of the day I was okay with it all.

Because I did it there we had that moment.

It was kind of a nice power play switch that I came up with at the very I don't even know how I came up with that at the last minute.

We're I mean, we're good, you know, I mean we're I've been good with Andy.

I'm good, You're good, and then you're you know, you're not good, and you're good.

I've always been pretty good with Andy, Like, I'm not afraid to say, you know what, I didn't like that you just said that to me on your sure on your show that we just did on your radio show, and he'll be like, oh, I thought you really liked that, and I was like, no, I didn't, and here's why.

Or he'll say to me something criticism and I'll take it and I'll be like, you know, you're right.

So we have that relationship.

Conflict and resolution.

But that's something that you learned from the show.

I certainly did, and that's something that you can both handle as adults.

I think so and Andy and I I think always have been in on the joke in a sense.

I have respect for him, and I think he has respect for me, and so we have that mutual respect that over that pre succeeds or what's the.

Word of seeds or supersede, superceeds.

That's the word supersedes all the bullshit because the rest of it's all bullshit.

At the end of the day, anyway.

It's a long life, you know what I mean.

It's like it is you're going to.

See him at like your daughter's wedding or something.

Well, if he's lucky.

I feel like, but I also feel like the thing, the thing, the thing with like your relationship with him too, and like and I feel like you you and like the whole Housewives of it all, which is why the Bravo thing with the Culture Awards felt so good, is because it does feel like you're done with all of that, and it feels like something that's like in your past is a completed thing at least being a housewife or yeah, you know.

And I feel like there's this, oftentimes this idea from the fan community which is like, oh, they want to come back, or they must want to come back, like like as if it can't be a.

Conscious choice to leave that show.

But I feel like with you, you've shown that, like and obviously from being such an industry figure for such a long time, like this was a chapter.

It had its ups.

And downs, and that is going to be what it is, and it's learned from and now you're moving forward.

And I feel like a lot of the fan community almost doesn't know what to do with the fact that someone might not want to come back and be a real house.

It's true.

And you know, I have great affection even though it's a difficult show to do.

I have great affection for those eight years and what it brought to me and what it brought to my career and how now, which is very interesting, I'm doing like endorsements and things that have to do with the things that I said on that show, right that became moments.

So I'm like, thank you, wow, Kachin Kuching.

Like it just keeps moving on because people enjoyed that, they like those moments, they get a kick out of it, they're entertained by it.

So at the end of the day, it was a great thing.

It was the investment, it was the real estate.

You took your time in that lot, you.

Know what I mean.

Yeah, and it runs its course I think for everyone, and it's kind of you know, it's gonna they'll come a day for everyone, even for Kyle Richards.

Do you know what I mean?

When you've been on from the beginning where you have to make the decision do I continue or do I take a risk and go out there.

It's very hard for most housewives to do that, you know, because it is a steady gig.

Yeah, that's the thing too, is its works a check structure.

I know what my fall is going to look like because I've been doing this right and.

There's something really comforting and also challenging if you've been doing it for a long time, you know, to get excited about it.

But at the end of the day, I wouldn't change a thing.

I wouldn't I wouldn't change a thing.

I would do it again.

Oh, I wouldn't do it again right now, you know what I mean?

Like it's part of my history, it's part of just like Veronica Mars, just like melrose Place and days of our lives.

Like everything I've done has brought me here, and it's exciting to see what's next.

You know.

We're talking about this with our other guests, but it's like the through line comes into view after the fact, which is always weird.

Really does isn't it true?

Dynasty is like the perfect origin spot for you where it all connects to everything that comes after.

I will say, just before we do it on things soony, I will bring it back to our first meeting, which was I was in We mussed.

It was intermission for Sweeney Todd.

I remember like it was yesterday.

Waiting for my friend Hunter, and I was just like on my phone, just like downstairs in the bathroom, waiting in line.

We were in the line where I'd come out of the bathroom.

I was waiting and then you had come out of the bathroom.

And then and then I get to tap on my shoulder and I look up and I go I was like, oh, it's someone maybe wanting a picture or something.

I look up and my jaw dropped.

It was Lisa looking so chic and a Prada bucket house, big shades, huge covered shades, looking studing.

Oh my god, no, I was Lily like, dressed down, I'm going to the theater, you know, bringing Prada.

You're dressed down with wearing Prada.

And I was like, oh, I'm just such a fan.

And I just.

I remember it like it was yesterday, and anyway, it was just to see.

You and to meet you in person.

I'm such a huge fan.

Are you kidding your genius?

Stop?

At least you are stop.

I was so I was like, oh my god, I'm meeting the Oh my god.

So we had the same moment.

We had the same moment, and so I wanted to because you're a fan of theater.

I love it, love it, love it.

I think we got to see you back on the boards against them.

Yeah, can we see you back on the boards.

Yeah?

You know what I thought of the other day.

I'm not sure I could do it.

I'm not sure it would even be in my capacity at this point.

But you know what came up?

The MC in Cabaret, which is usually played by a man.

A man.

How did it come up?

I don't know.

It just popped into my head.

Oh, that it would be cool for you to do.

Someone was talking about like the different ways in which you can take that role, and someone said that it wouldn't be out of a question for the for a woman to do it.

I was like, that would be really interesting.

I think there was even someone who said they were they wanted to do it, and then they ended up playing Sally Bowles.

I'm losing it right now.

I mean not to not to put this out there and like put pressure on anybody, but Lisa Rinna as Mary Todd Lincoln.

Oh, I've seen it.

I can't.

I thought of that.

That would be a pretty good fit.

I love it.

It really could.

But it's a hard role, isn't it.

I think you could do it really hard?

You remember I forty pages of dialogue and day on on days of our lives.

Oh my god, will I be going back to Broadway?

I might be just my day?

This this is the origin.

Oh, it always starts somewhere starts.

That's not a bad idea.

Maybe, I don't know.

You never know, You never ever ever know.

If you're listening, you know, they don't cast it.

They don't cast it.

I'm sure they have a heavy hand in deciding anything else to talk about before we do.

I'm trying to think, why have anything you want to say about Ronica Marris?

Oh my god, just I mean, what a stacked show between obviously Christians be first after me.

Yeah, and Harry kills her.

Harry kills her.

Harry kills her, kills her.

So you probably have like I would imagine that, like you get people coming up and they hear they come, you can different what they're going to say.

And then when they say Veronica Mars, that has to be a special like I.

Like that one.

I like the Veronica Mars and the Entourage.

You have.

To somehow YouTube it.

See it.

It's really fun.

Probably HBO Max has it, probably definitely memore see it.

Just it's not a big it's it's not huge.

It's memorable though, it's a memorable.

It's a memorable memorable episode for sure.

I will say I get to be really sassiny, are you kidding?

I just had Amelia.

I can't remember how old she was.

She was very young, and my agent at the time was like, you have to do this and it's really it's really nasty and quite saucy and all of it.

And I was a new mother and I was like, I can't do this.

There's no way.

I mean, now, of course I wouldn't, I'd be like fine here, but at that time, I was like, I just can't do this.

It's like I'm too vulnerable.

He's like, you're doing it.

I don't care what you say.

It's entour and you're doing it.

And so I did it.

Wow, it's fine.

So that was a time when like we had HBO on demand when I was when I was younger, and I remember my parents would leave.

My parents would leave, and like I would like mainline Sex and the City and then just kind of like Sex and the City for boys.

So clearly I was not that into it.

I was like, I want to watch this other thing.

But I peaked it on some episodes.

I used to think Kevin Connolly was hot.

They were all pretty good, and.

They were so nice.

It was gray, it was fun.

It's just it's super rauchy.

Okay, so it's time we're transiting into I don't think so, honey.

This is our one minute segment where we take that long to absolutely tear something up in culture.

Mine.

It's a throwback, but it's it's relevant.

Okay, this is okay, this is Matt Rogers.

I don't think so many his time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

Years ago, my parents took me to Los Angeles, California, after I graduated college.

I had never been there before, and we went on a celebrity homes tour in one of those jeep safaris, and the guy was from New Zealand and he was riding us down.

By the Beverly Hills Hotel.

And I don't think so honey that he almost killed me and my family trying to track down Adrian Grenier.

He said, it's Adrian Grenier from Entourage.

And this is my sort of New zeal And.

He gundam as hard as he could, flying through.

He literally pulled up next to this car.

It was not Adrian Greneer.

So what I want to say is, I don't think so honey to any of these people out there on the roads with families of four in the back.

They don't know who Adrian Grenier is.

Okay, first, I want to say that.

Second of all, you can't kill me trying to see Adrian Greneer.

You can kill me trying to run down seat like I don't know at the time, like he was like justin Biba, it was all about Bieber.

Sure.

I can't die trying to track down Adrian Greneer.

From Entourage, not with my one precious light, real or fake.

And that's one minute I'll never forget my first trip to Hollywood.

Wow, did you buy the map?

We did the whole thing.

It was I'm telling you what we did that, you know, those tacky like Safari jeep cars.

We got in one.

I was mortified because I was like, oh, God, like me thinking at some point maybe I'll be one of these people, Like I wouldn't want.

To like hunt them down.

My parents wanted to go.

And actually it was kind of interesting Aguilera's house it used to be as Osbourne's house.

Like I was like, oh, that's interesting.

Then when we almost died, you were I was like, get me out here.

And the guy wasn't even Adrian Greneer gosh, but I Matt Rogers almost died in a car trying to find and we're.

So happy you've lived.

Yeah, really good full circle.

To bring that together.

With the ento very Hollywood yes, bringing back the very very good, very good paparazzi culture.

I've got a bit of a throwback as well.

Okay, this is a hard one, by the way, you guys.

Know, it's very hard, especially when we get from the heart.

So it's hard.

Oftentimes we'll do like two or three in the day and it becomes really difficulty.

Believe Ultimately you do.

I find always have something to complain about it.

I think you do all right, So this is bon yangs.

I don't think so, honey.

At times, I don't think so honey.

That they have since closed the restaurant where the Amsterdam trip happened on the.

Beverly Hills episode.

That is a historical site that is next to another historical site, which is the Anne Frank House.

But anyone who goes to Amsterdam now cannot go to the site of the restaurant and where Lisa're gonna broke the glass and wave in front of Kim Richard's space and Kyle and Kyle Flatt and we need to re enact the Kyle fleeing scene when you're in Amsterdam.

That's like what we as game and want to do in this day and age.

We can't do it anymore.

And now you go to the n Frank House, it's a bunch of teens with their little harvedboards loitering by the river.

We it could have been overrun with gay men and gorgeous women wanting to see that historic site, that amazing moment in housewives history.

It's just gone.

Now.

We need we need to commemorate and landmark these places or else we will lose history.

Second, and history is the only thing that we have or else it will repeat itself or rhyme and.

That's one minute.

Wow, it's closed.

You used to be able to do and Frank House and that in one day, and now now you can't.

And now you can't.

I have people sending me like the area, yea, that it is, but it's not there.

It's not there, the area or something else is there?

Now I know.

Have you seen the uh the like asmr whispered.

Genius, So genius.

It's one of the funniest you know, I enjoy these things.

I will never not enjoy this.

It is so funny to me.

Are you kidding me?

Yeah?

It is some of the greatest television ever made.

That didn't even know we were making it, does you guys?

It was five minutes we sat down, It happened five minutes later.

You don't know that.

So wait, that was a quick scene.

No, we came into this restaurant to sit down.

You would think that we had been sitting there for.

A long time.

Got your drinks, We sat down, and five minutes.

Later that happened.

That's the editing, because they catch all the talking heads, they cut the confessionals.

We sit down and boom, the whole conversation starts.

I mean it took a minute to get to the glass.

I we didn't have drinks even, I mean I think they brought them as we were talking.

You didn't see them.

But when I sat down five minutes later, that whole conversation started.

And I would probably say ten more minutes in so fifteen more minutes.

I was across the table.

Wow.

And I always wonder, like, do they take your food order beforehand?

They do now they didn't.

Then they used to take it like a couple of days before.

I don't think the food ever came at that point, Like that year of the show, you never ate there's no food gift, Like there might be food, but you're lucky.

Hence the you know, most of the drinking.

I hadn't even had a glass of wine.

I was not drunk, but they worked you up.

Oh, it didn't take long.

It was already building though.

You know.

It's the kind of thing that you know, she was vibing me on the plane.

We already had like really like it was bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, And I'll never forget because she's like right here, like she's pretty far.

Let's talk about the hut.

When she started in on that, I was already in your jet legs.

Of course you're jet legged.

I'm not going to blame it on that, but you're like jet lag and you're not at your you know best.

But I'll never forget her.

Just like poking and poking and me thinking to myself, Okay, that's it.

And I remember flying across the table and stopping myself mid lunch and this is what I said.

And most people have never heard this.

I said to myself, if you touch her, you're going to jail in Amsterdam.

You're in Amsterdam.

Yeah, remember, And so then I.

Pull back and I had so much rage that I picked up the glass and smashed it.

Yeah good TV.

Did you just see her at Alexia's wedding?

Nope, she wasn't there.

But I've seen her and we have like worked through I've worked through most of it with most of them, because you have to.

I don't want to carry that.

You're a human being.

We're all humans.

Were doing the best we could at the time.

Whatever.

But I've already had that.

I've worked through it with Kathy Hilton.

All is fine.

It feels like that must have gotten calmer because it all come down between Kathy and Kyle.

Yes, yeah, and that's where it all began.

Are you okay with Garcela or is that kind of in the past too?

Now?

Wow, here we go.

This is Lisa Renna.

Do you have something?

I said almost everyone?

Yeah, she's fine.

I feel really sad about this, the Sutton and Garcela of it all.

At the end there, I was really that didn't feel great.

Two people I knew before.

See, it never works when I know you before about it, Denise Sutton, garcel.

That's a bummer.

Didn't work with the people that I actually knew, and well I knew Kyle before.

So that worked.

Yeah, Okay, there are exceptions.

I'm going to try one.

I don't know if I are going to do great.

I don't know if I actually have it, but since we're on Amsterdam, I'm going to go down a road there, Okay, Okay, I'm gonna try And what do I say first?

I don't think so, honey, And then I'll play you in the clock.

This is Lisa Reyna's I don't think so many her time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

We're in Amsterdam and we're going around and we're walking around and yes, there are sex clubs and there are women in the windows and whatnot.

And everyone is like, hey, let's go into this because I want to see a woman shoot a banana out of her vagina.

And I'm like, I don't think so, honey, but I had no choice.

It was like two in the morning, and so we go downstairs into this cave, into this club and I'm already I think I've already done the broken glass part and I'm already traumatized.

And they're like, yes, you really need to see this.

This woman shoots a banana out of hergina.

I don't really need to see it.

And sure enough, this way it takes a little banana.

It's not even a big banana.

It's this little banana and she somehow shoots it across the room over vagina.

And I never, honey, needed to see that ever in my life.

I can't get it out.

Of my mind.

And I wish I said, no, fuckers, I'm not going to see the banana come out of the vagina in Amsterdam.

And that's that.

No, thank you, honey.

Ever again, that's Erica Jane the producers.

Oh yeah, this was pre she would have been ready to go.

She would have.

It was I was a group of us.

We were bored.

We weren't even filming of the cameras.

Down the cameras, do go down, get down.

We went down and Aspen and they went down here for the banana shooting out of the vagina.

Yeah, well that would have been good to see.

It would have been great to.

Have been actually very exciting.

There wasn't, no, honey, you still.

Think about it, which is tough.

It's like it's like a stress stream that you're gonna have.

I should never have seen it.

I should have closed my eyes and said, no, damn, there you go.

Well you're stronger because of it.

You are no regrets.

You said, no regrets from that time, and that includes me.

Well, I feel like I've seen a lot.

Yeah, this has been such a joy.

It's like so excited.

I was like, I can't wait to come and play with the boys because that's I feel like it's just so easy with you.

And thank you again for the Awards show.

It was the time of my life.

It changed a lot of things.

Just so you guys know, I'm going to tell you.

My agents were like, I'm telling you that show has has raised your your value and everyone is calling they love.

I was like, that's you nice at this point, that is so thank you, thank you well listen, I know you gave me the opportunity and I just had fun doing it.

So thank you.

We have enjoyed you in all of your forms in this entertainment industry.

Watching you now getting to meet you is so fun and we're just like so happy to meet you.

And I don't know if I told you this, but our best friend Jared years ago was walking in Frieman Canyon and he would always run into you, and he had a dog, and I guess Harry went down one time to pet the dog and he Jared said to Harry Hamlin, hey, congrats on the sauce.

And I always thought that was the funniest thing ever.

I was like that Harry Hamblin now like superstar Harry Hamlet is now being congratulated about the sauce.

It's the truth, he said.

People stop him and say where's Lisa, And I love your sauce and congrats on the sauce.

Yeah, okay, we love the sauce.

You can I'll send you the sauce.

I love bolon as.

Okay, Well there's bowlon as.

Now there's Marinara, there's vodka sauce.

Now there's four I love it.

And he just got into Gelson's.

Come Colations, got into Gelson's.

Yeah, Gelson breaking through in Hollywood.

I mean, it's.

I'm gonna go there, got into thirty Gelson's.

So it's beginning.

Is that the name of the sauce Harry's Famous.

You can get it at Harry's Famous dot com or Amazon right now until you can get it in Gelson's and then god knows where else.

And we didn't even get into QVC.

Lisa, that's best.

Next time we have watch listen.

We have a lot to say.

I obviously have much.

I could have ranted on that.

I could rant on a lot of things, but we'll be good.

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