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Oh yeah, you know I always say I'm rolling, and then Matt goes, okay, me rolling.

I don't ever say that, though, but this time I said me rolling.

You know I'm saying I usually say okay, I'm rolling, or you sam rolling.

One of us says I'm rolling, and the other one says me too, And that's maybe I meant to say me too, and I accidentally said me rolling, which is literally a front under a title of that me roll rolling.

Well, I think that's a great new hashtag too.

Hashtag me rolling really really really good.

When we're out at the club, at the party.

You know, nightlife in New York City, it's never been better.

It's never been better.

I mean, you know, there's much written discourse about we're getting right into it.

We're speaking about Stephen Phillips.

Horst wrote a piece on I guess, gay partying and gay sex for New York Magazine.

The headline was, have we reached peak gay sluttiness?

Mm hmm in an age when you know, supposedly we're you know, young people are having less sex than ever.

Seems like cis gay guys are doing plenty of it based on these advances in drug, party drug technology, party drug.

Technology also frontruner for title of up.

Yeah, it was really fascinating because I was reading this and I was seeing all the discourse about an online which you know, all credit to the piece, which I did feel was well written and accurate to an extent.

We'll talk about it.

But the most interesting thing about the whole thing to me was the variety and intensity of reactions and the discourse about the piece.

I guess that's a six that makes it a successful piece and in terms of what it's trying to accomplish.

Sorry, keep you going to cut you off?

No, no, no, But it was fascinating because at the same time I was, you know, observing all of this and reading all this and internalizing all this.

It feels like it hit the news extra hard, just how little sex gen Z and Jen Alpha is having.

Like I was watching this, the young Turks and Jentanalfa, we can give them a little bit of wait with Jen Alfha, they're too young to fuck right, Like I actually don't know which is which I'm gonna say, just to just to air on this air on safety, like maybe maybe we shouldn't think about Jen Aalpa fucking just yet.

Okay, Nos, I guess let me just come out and say, I don't know how old that is.

Like, so, so gen Z how old?

How young is the youngest gen Z?

Let's start there.

So Jen Alpha, the cutof for Jen Alpha is the current day either twenty ten to twenty twenty four or twenty to thirteen to twenty twenty five.

So the oldest Jen Alpha person supposedly is fifteen years old.

Okay, so never fuck take it take it out?

Take it out.

No, I don't even know if it needs to be edited out, but like no, like I'm just saying, like to take it out of the check from the records, right from the record, please.

But I was I was watching something on the Young Turks about how people across the board aged eighteen to twenty one, like forty eight percent of them had not had sex in the last year or something, or it was like three months to a year.

There was like some metric the people can look it up, but suffice it to say.

The big headline was and this is something I observed, you know.

They were also they were talking about it because they were talking about on MSNBC young people and people in general are having way less sex.

And then when I read this piece that Stephen wrote, it was all about I mean, the literal aim to get people talking was gay community.

Everyone is having more sex than you and partying more than you, and like going for it and more.

We've reached peak.

And it was just fascinating the reactions that not only that headline generated, but then the specifics of the article generator Sure.

I mean that thesis is I'm sort of the counter that person because I'm literally in that article because I saw him at a parton who was writing this, and he asked me, and I was like, and I'm quoted as saying, I've never had less sex than now.

But I'm also not a g queen.

I got tying it to the drug culture.

So for people who don't know, GHB a drug that must be taken in specific doses at specific times, cannot be mixed to alcohol, more commonly known in the past as the date rape drug.

Not a roofie, but lethal when combined with alcohol, potentially lethal and it kind of gets you in a fucked up place.

Quote unquote that's the qualitative I guess way to describe it, so that you can feel a certain kind of feeling without drinking a certain amount of alcohol.

Like you it's a you know, kind of takes away the caloric aspect of it.

Yeah, the coloric aspect goes away.

You also don't feel drunk the next people and just transparently bone and I don't use g but obviously, if you read this article and you know people in the gay community, it is quite popular and people have their reasons for doing it, and I think that those reasons being explored in the article also made people feel a certain way.

Yeah.

It also the article also touches a bit on like, you know, different variants of like you know, cocaine and ketamine, et cetera.

Just like really kind of exhaustively goes through the behaviors and activities related to and regarding gay partying and gay sex because obviously these types of party drugs do open the door to more sex, more party, more energy, et cetera, everything in that regard.

So what I thought was fascinating about it, like I said, was it felt like like I actually wrote I was taking notes on what people were kind of saying because there was also a lot of close friends going on.

Well, I love picturing you at a note, Pat, I just want to say, look my notes.

Bowen knows, I take notes.

I'm taking the old culture one of your collectibles, which is something that I collect.

But for your new apartment, you should strew you should strew about the house strewn whatever little notepads you collect from like hotels and stuff.

Anyway, keep going.

These are some things I wrote down, and then afterwards I think we can talk about how it made us feel.

But one feeling like, as a result of reading the article, they're doing gay wrong for not engaging in this type of partying, or feeling uncomfortable about this type of partying and this type of sex being this loose.

Like I saw a lot of people and I talked to some people who were expressing discomfort with the idea that yeah, I'm insecure in my place in the community because I don't do this.

So that was one.

Another was feeling unfairly exposed by the specifics in the article, or like it was betraying something to people who this wasn't for So it's so nice to say, you know, seeing them themselves in the article.

Uh, feeling like perhaps it was not for the eyes of people that were not in these rooms and they felt a certain way about that.

Sure, then there is feeling like it's an accurate depiction of the culture and validates why you're not in this type of scene.

So basically it's like, yeah, that's I'm not that type of person.

I see this.

I'm happy this was written because it just makes me feel like I'm doing the right thing by not being in that part of atmosphere.

And then finally, at least this is what I saw, feeling like it's accurate and potentially are you know, not feeling sad about that behavior and not being like regretful about behavior, but being ornery about what it reveals at a time when judgment violence negative actually where it's our community is at an all time high.

So those were so and then you know general being like yep, that's it, haha, like well written, this piece capture something.

So it was the intensity of all that and the surprising places where those reactions came from, that to me was the most compelling.

And I'm wondering if you identified with any of those sub sects of reaction or if you have a different take I.

Was gonna say most of those I think are valid.

Certainly the insecurity and doing gay wrong.

I feel like that is something that I think you and I constantly bump up against, especially in the moment, even which I think is a good thing to like understand it presently, like while we are present in those situations, while we're adjacent to those, we'll say, because again we've never speaking as people who have like never partaken in those drugs, I think there's a limited scope in that maybe, but also but suffice it to say, which you have been using a lot recently in our personal communications.

I love damning with that.

I will suffice to say, I'll keep going.

It's like roaches, sort of like fleeing the light.

It's like there's something like the light should not be beyond this.

There's a reason why this is underground.

And I don't think it has I don't necessarily think it has anything to do with shame.

I think it more has to do with like, oh no, like this is not meant for exposure, Like this is not meant to.

Be I don't know.

Like it certainly merits intellectualization, which everything does, but I think like there's something about the fact that there's something to protect.

There's and there's nothing wrong with protecting this FACETI of queer life, and especially in these times when, like you know, you want to have some sort of like outlet, like I understand that.

I think I don't quite know where I fall.

On like demonizing gay people queer people in general.

But you're not sure if you want to demonize them, maybe they should A little bit.

Every day I wake up and I go, is this the day that I demonize?

It changes?

I wavering over the d and ie button at all times.

But then I was gonna say something else, Like my take is if it's.

Fraying the community in any way, then that I sort of go, well, And I don't know if that was like the intention.

I don't think so, but I think because because the discourse is so split, like I'm like, oh, well, then I don't know.

If I don't know if this is like healthy for us to all disagree.

I think it is healthy for us to disagree.

I actually think this is one of the healthiest conversations that we've had in a while.

I'm really grateful about the piece because I think we do need to talk about the way in which our community has changed.

And also, you know, Stephen, you know, makes a note of saying several times, I'm thirty seven, I'm thirty seven, I'm thirty seven.

And I think that something that maybe maybe this is intentional or maybe not, but he's specifically talking about an age, yes, and he's revealing a self consciousness about that age.

I think.

I think that I applaud him for writing it because everyone's talking about it, and I guess we're fans of Stephen by the way, fantastic writer, fantastic comedian.

Yeah, totally, And I think if it's missing something because I do think it's it's accurate, and I do, by the way, and I say that also acknowledging I think it's accurate for a part of the gay community.

This clearly is not everyone.

I will cop to.

I've never used G.

I have used K.

I've done cocaine like Bowen, and I like, we we've not done G, but we do, you know, we are like in the community and have used these types of drugs, some of them like the MMC three.

I didn't even really know what that was.

So that's like a spectrum in and of itself, Like you can be a part of the gay community and be on some spectrum here in terms of like you're not a g queen, but you have recreationally like used and yeah, like you know or are unaware of what that is, or I may not even have called it the right thing right now, Like I just know it's a bunch of letters and numbers.

But I think if some thing is missing from the article, and again I think it's accurate, I think it's funny.

I think compassion is missing because I think that something that I will peel back the curtain on for people who maybe aren't in the queer community, but especially in your mid thirties and you approach forty, you're sad because the fact is, when you're in the queer community, you don't get to start being yourself and enjoying community until you find community and until you understand who you are.

And that happens at really different rates for a lot of people.

And what is something that helps drugs and alcohol and historically, I mean this is going all the way back, Like people convene and they imbibe, and it helps them loosen up, and it helps them open doors, it helps them express themselves all sorts of ways do I think that some of this drug use is getting out of hand.

Has it changed relationships that I have had in my life in all different facets.

Have I seen, like, you know, rationalizations for drug use increase on unhealthy relationships, you know, personally and exterior.

I've seen that happen, and I do associate it with getting older, and I think that issues become more glaring as you get older.

So yes, I think this is all true.

But I do think that it would have maybe been helpful and maybe been a good supplement to the article to just explore like why these behaviors may be happening, because there is a little bit of a panic and a sadness when you realize you're getting older and started.

Late, yes, and also having that coincide with a time when there is this ambient political malaise and like a loss of will and power and all this stuff.

Totally let's party, et cetera, because why the fuck not because it doesn't look good, right, I totally agree.

And there's also just like I don't know, like a synthetic scientific aspect to this, where it's like it's, yeah, it's being tweaked in a way that is meant to like optimize.

And that's why I like a lot of like science workers that's not the right term, but a lot of like key workers, science workers, a lot of people who work in tech science, medical field, a lot of people gamen who have those jobs.

Tend to not to generalize, but they are the ones who tend to have knowledge, are literate and it, have access to it, and you know, with that knowledge and access kind of can regulate it for themselves in the short term.

In the short term, I'm going to go so far as to say that, like, we don't know long term how you regulate this because we don't.

Not that much time has passed.

Oh no, I worry about the bladders of people who I see doing ketamine all the time.

And it's not a judgment.

It's the farthest thing from a judgment.

But when something becomes regular in a community, like it's it's worth looking at, and we don't have the answers to all of it.

Gay Uti skyrocketing, I think you think that's what it is.

I don't even know, like I mean, and I think the thing too is just like I see it get rationalized a lot in terms of like, oh, I'm not just using it for partying.

I'm using it for my depression and then suddenly everyone's their own physician in a way where I'm like, eh, I don't know, maybe it is worth looking at.

I don't think that anyone likes it when and this is where the defense of reaction comes in from me.

I don't think anyone likes it when A it's pointed out that they may have an unhealthy relationship with something, of course, and B vanity is pointed out, and I think it's dishonest to say that it's not about that for a lot of people.

Does Stephn make this connection in the article that like, uh, the reason for the popularity of g and a reason why people rationalize it is because there's like an aesthetic thing there like of course it plays into like the body pascism of the gay community, which is objectively present, like there's no and it did, it never went away.

In fact, it got, it got worse.

It's the same as it's always been, Like now we have the language for it, and we're able to express that it's a thing, you know, because we've all been emboldened over the past ten to fifteen years.

It feels like now that we've gotten to a certain place to be like, Hey, we all feel a certain way in these spaces, but that doesn't mean those spaces don't still have a stronghold.

Right.

I was gonna say, I think you YRK magazine.

I think in like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, I remember reading there was an article about how ketamine is the drug of this time because of these similar reasons.

It feels more pronounced now obviously of like losing your political will, losing power, only feeling empowered to make decisions in your consumer life, in your I'm in literally what you ingest or what you put into your body, Like ketamine is the dissociative thing, is the representative thing in terms of like this very dissociative time, right, I feel like we're not necessarily in a dissociative time now.

I don't think we are in a time when people just want pure It's cynical and it's disconnected and therefore like drugs that kind of push you all the way to one extreme seam appealing.

Yeah, have you watched elth Park?

I watched the first episode this season, but not the recent ones.

In this last episode, it's one of the fathers, like the lead of the show that's the father with the mustache stands dat yeah, yeah, stands that they get addicted to ketamine and because he becomes like a tech he becomes like a tech like emversario, because what happens is he's got a weed farm, and then Ice shows up and arrests everyone that works with the weed form.

So then he makes his weed form more of like a front facing like you know, like tech center for and he gets the kind of mean I really I finally caught up on South Park, and I was like, wow, they really do, like they find a way for it to be like completely they still tell an incredible story at the end of it, like the emotions that are yes, yeah, by the end of all those episodes, you're like, oh, my heart is broken.

And I think I had forgotten that about how effective South Park is.

I just thought, oh, they're rallying against Trump, they're ripping Trump a new asshole.

They're saying he is a small dick whatever and fucks the devil, which is all in there, But then South Park is so much more than that.

It's really simple, heartbreaking stories about what it would feel like to to lose people in that way.

To, you know, it's just every episode has been outstanding.

I think my main takeaway from that first episode with you know, Trump fucking Satan is not even the Trump stuff.

It is Cartman's response to like being horribly offensive and bigoted about like that, about that taking something away from him in terms of the way he stands out and feels special and feels individualized in the world.

Because if everyone's saying the ursler and like everyone's saying faggot, Yeah, it's like, well, what does that make him?

You know, It's like that's that's that's a profound thing.

And this is a character that we've been with for twenty plus years, for like twenty five years now.

Yeah, no, it's it's an incredible show that there's never been any doubt about that.

I've I've been you know whatever.

I think you and I have both kind of like at different times just checked in with south Park like it's it's I don't know.

There was a time when Billy and I Billy Domino, my old roommate, are our dear friend and I would watch South Park as it was aaron like right after college and like Cartman like ingusting vagicil like in order to get ahead in like women's sports, like it's all, it's all, it's all really profound, sublime story and comedy.

Obviously, well, a lot of a lot of Cartman's like storyline now is like people that are not capitalizing on hateful rhetoric that that being his thing.

I'm saying him being really really really like aggravated that like people are able to like, you know, grandstand and say this like like horrid, this horrible acted stuff because he's like, that's my thing.

And it's like it's sort of a race to be the spokesperson that says the nasty, garly stuff, which you're right.

When that becomes a rat race and everyone is doing it, it loses it just becomes you know, blanket awful and loses its individual power.

It's just crazy.

It's crazy.

But for like Trey Parker and Matt Stone to like be able to kind of like wink and say, like, I mean, we were doing We've been doing this forever.

We have never back like this has been like a strand or strain whatever in the show for as long as it's been around.

And for us to say like this is fucked up, it's crazy that everyone feels like that it's okay to say these words again, but we've been saying it this whole time.

But also we're gonna if that's the case, then we're gonna say it.

We're gonna have every single character say this on the show.

Like it's I don't know, there's something really in terms of like a media sort of like story, like it's pretty incredible.

I don't know.

I'm not saying anything.

I'm not adding anything to the conversation.

No, I think it's all a comment.

It's all a com Yeah, it's interesting though, like just speaking of like people being called certain things and having a reaction.

You can tell in this article.

Just to return to this for a second, Stephen's sort of referring to people who aren't engaging in this type of drug behavior and wearing like black mess shorts and a white tank and a gold chain and like going to these certain things, referring to anyone who's not like that, which he kind of does as like a booted judge.

He's also meant to poke at people because it's like it's like, what exactly are you saying when you call someone a Buddha judge?

You're like, and this is this has nothing to do with what Pete Booted Judge is actually like because we don't really know him.

But there's the idea that in order to get under people's skins reading it, which I think made people in column one, which I was saying earlier, like films like they're doing gay wrong.

Like if you're reading this and get the sense that you're Buddha Judge, you're kind of like, oh, am I basic?

Like am I sexless?

Am I boring?

Am I?

And it's it is a way to like flick the fomo of people reading this, which causes you know, obviously a panic and an anxiety towards other people like and I don't know, it's just which I don't think he needed to do necessarily, but like I think was effective in getting people to discuss this, because that's almost like the worst thing you could walk away feelings like uncool for a lot of people.

That's might be where I fall.

I had a little bit of panic reading this, like, because it is a little bit different now when we go in these spaces, we can't really show up and be acting no, like it's like even if we're with people that are super duper duper fucked up.

I feel like a self consciousness, you know, it's it's just I feel like I missed out on something or like like you read this kind of debauchery, read this kind of like like it's been years since I've been in the dark room.

I think I went in the dark room once at Pegasus and like years ago in La after we shot Fire Island, because I thought I looked good and you know what I mean, Like I whatever that shoot had like messed with me a little bit.

So I went and like went off in the dark room and I had fun.

And now it feels like that would be harder to do so for lots of reasons.

And so that was like it made me read it and be like, oh man, like this this culture, this like Bacchanall type vibe, like maybe there is something to it that I'm not a part of it.

It did it hit on something in me.

Was the Bacchanal episode of looking also something that really made you look?

In word, I don't really think about looking anymore.

Maybe I should.

Maybe maybe it would be a good Maybe that would be a good time, So like it might be a good reward.

Looking is a great rewatch I started it I'm not finished it, but I did it about like six months ago, and I was like, great show, Like again, like this is not this is not the gay life that I live.

But hhmm, interesting little anthropological study.

And in terms of like Stephen using or coining this Buddha Judge thing, like because you love that way too, right, sure, sure, but I'm not like and and like there is something like that agitates in that sense that like I think in purpose is sure and so, but this is also a thing where like these distinctions and this kind of like these separations have existed in the community.

For like it's already, it's already there.

He's just kind of labeling this phenomenon that's already happening, has happened since the beginning of like gay tribalism and like this like the seventies, like like I do wonder like what life like right, like as like the matticking society started or whatever, like the time when like queer people were really together it seemed or no, that's not even true because when we were in Marsha's biography I'm written by Tourmaline, it's like Marsha p Jon's biography, It's like, oh, no, I guess back then they were there was there's still this like class divides and racial divides in the gay community.

So I'm like, I was just I was about to like wax fictional nostalgic.

I'm like, oh, there must have been a time when like we were all on the same level.

And no, I mean, that's just that's just the human condition.

It's like we can't ever totally congeal and coalesce.

It's like these ways of like differentiating ourselves from each other are just going to exist no matter what.

But like, I don't know, I think I'm I'm really cheesy and most lately where I'm like.

Other people are always got not to be all fleabag.

But it's like communities like the ale to like the nihilism that we feel these days.

It's like other people are all we've got period.

Yeah, one hundred percent.

And I guess in terms of this idea that maybe there was a time when the queer canmunity was more whole and could you know, directly collaborate with each other.

I think we can, but it is through discourse like this, it's less like we all can acknowledge that there's a problem and we're all going to move to fix it in a certain way.

I think the way that and why I think this piece is net good.

The way that we stay connected to each other and understand each other is by communicating, and so in that way, I think the piece is a big win because we're talking about this thing that we can all agree exists.

And I think when people can start getting real about the way not only the article makes them feel, because the article is a symptom of what's going on in the culture, but actually asking yourself how you feel about this type of thing and why it makes you feel that way.

Maybe that's like an overthrapized way of going about it.

But lately I'm in my efforts to become a better communicator, which I'm actively trying to do this year, I'm always thinking, like, Okay, if I feel angry about something, it probably means I feel like threatened, sad, like like there's there's another emotion here.

And so some of the angrier responses I saw, one of which was like I didn't even understand one word of what this said.

It's like you did, you did understand what it was like like, And so instead of dismissing it, and acting like it's something like how does it make you feel?

Like?

And that's there's something useful in that.

I absolutely agree.

Sorry, I'm lenneing on my lips anyway, give it a read.

Have we reached Pete Gay's Lightiness by Stephen Phillips, horse Man's Best Friend by Syriena Carpenter Make you feel?

It made me feel again, like ambiently interesting, like I just put on the blood orange job.

This is.

This is my general take.

It's just music right now?

Yeah, where are the hooks?

I know who can save us?

Demitria Devon Lovado.

We know she's gonna come save of us now.

Honestly, I do agree with you, Like when I was listening to the album and I love Sabrina and this is and this is this is a Subrina house.

I love Manchild, I love the man Child video.

Was super excited for this album and I enjoyed the album.

I think it's a great album.

It felt to me like the creation of this was something different than the creation of Short and Sweet, Like Short and Sweet feels to me engineered for pop domination like that, to me feels like we created an album all bangers, Like you know, there was something about espresso that announced her and then please Please Please coming, and it was just to me that album was had the goal of making her the pop superstar that she is, and then I did, yeah, absolutely, and then I feel Man's best friend coming so soon on the heels of it did surprise me.

But I think that she is similar to Taylor Swift and that she comes from a school of thought which is feed your audience, and she's got a hungry audience and she was able to keep creating and so she did, and she made what I feel is a very like sonically cohesive piece of work with you know, only a few people.

She said that it felt like they were writing it as a band.

I almost feel like it would have been cool for her to do like Sabrina Carpenter and the Blank Blank Blanks and release it as an album like as a band, because it does feel like it was made like in a different as in like a capsule, in like a different way.

And so when I'm listening to it, I don't hear a lot of hits, but I do you hear something that feels like a sonic step forward and a vocal step forward lyrically, I think maybe I'm interested to see the next thing she wants to say, but I enjoy the album.

I think releasing this so soon after Short and Sweet, and even Short and Sweet had like a reup with.

The extended version of it, I think this is just part of the play where she is adding another dimension to her as an artist, because I think because this like ascent to pop superstardom was so quickly achieved even before Shorten Speak came out, it was done like espresso, like Catapult.

Yeah, I think Man's Best Friend.

I think is just like adding another like I said, dimension to this, to the way like the public sees Sabrina Carpenter were just like okay, like really complex songwriter, not always chasing the hook.

And when I was saying where the hooks earlier, I'm just saying, like, that's this is what I miss currently.

I feel like we've been in a desert of hooks.

But I think I agree with you.

I think it's a great album.

I think I my favorite right now is Don't Worry I'll make You Worry because it sounds like this father John Misty song and like she's I think she's doing the thing that she was even doing in short and set where it's like, let me put on different genre hats, inspiration influence hats.

And I think I think I don't think she was just setting out to do a shortened suite follow up in the sense of.

Like pop pop pop pop pop pop pop.

Yeah.

No, I think like the positive reaction to Coincidence on the first album seemed to open a door here for her, because I remember she said Coincidence almost didn't make the first album, and then I think she said her mom liked it a lot and really fought for it, and she had people on her team that were like fans of it, and so it made it and then became such a fan favorite that I think it's like a super exciting direction for her to go.

And also slim Pickens seems to be an impulse that she was following, which is this sort of like seventies sort of pop Dolly parton with a little Abba thrown in there, very retro.

I think my favorite track is track five, We Almost Broke Up Again last Night, Like, I just love her melody on this song, and I do think her singing is the best it's ever been.

I also like Nobody's Son and never getting laid.

There's like moments in this where I'm like really blown away by what she's done, and then there's moments where I'm like, Okay, this feels just a little bit redundant from the first album.

And usually those moments are when we're making sex jokes.

That that's usually when I feel like that.

I keep going back and forth on the innuendo double entendra thing with her, because at the end of the day, if you go back to the earliest comedy, like earliest comedy like Aristophane shit, like Greek old comedy five BC, they were just.

Making sex jokes.

It's like, this is just like there's no there's no such thing as like, oh, like we're culturally derelict if we're all we're doing is like, you know, innuendo.

It's like that's not I need to, like I think people should also maybe I don't know, like figure that out.

Is this another article about p K seluttiness.

It's like, what, like what is this?

I don't know.

Sex makes us feel very specific, complicated things, and I think this is just a borschack test.

I'm gonna say, Sabrina Carpenter making with all little jokes about like tears streamed down my thighs is a borshack test, it's an ink blot.

I guess that's my thing too, is I'm like the intense reaction towards it this time, which does and by the way, like it's crazy how quickly people can react to music.

I thought this about Torch and Poets.

I'm like, wow, people are really sure they don't like this, and they just immediately happened before it even came out on tip Top, when it like kind oflyked like an hour before, like the response from Stay accounts, so like Sabrina stand accounts were like, we don't like it.

It's like, well, wait a minute, this is your girl, and also give it give it a dare to ge.

Yeah, you haven't listened to it probably.

I mean I even see it because we know some of these people who react quickly and they'll listen to thirty seconds of a song and be like it's the flop era and I'm like, you have to stop like it.

And so I do think that a lot of that is like unfairly informing a lot of people's reactions and also the way they feel defensive about it, like this is a great album.

It really is like I don't think that Sabrina and Co, particularly this co, are capable of like bad work.

I will say I do understand the reaction to some of the innuendos because I just don't think a lot of the innuendo here is as effective as as it was on the first album.

Like I'm Gonna let You make Me Juno is one thing.

It's it makes it makes me laugh, it makes me think, it surprises me, whereas Tears run down my thighs is just a little bit more of a reach, you know.

So I also think it's like people reacted to that element of her album in a really enthusiastic positive way the first time, because it's possible that just you know, maybe tears run down my thighs it doesn't work.

As well as the other one.

I'm not saying tears run down my thighs doesn't work.

I'm saying maybe the response to this is as we can relate to like this theory of the abject, to like revulsion to like don't talk about liquids and holes.

I think absolutely, I think that's what I think.

That is maybe what it also comes down to.

It's like, Okay, people don't want to hear about butt secks when gay men allude.

To it, got it?

And I guess people don't want to hear about pussy juice or com or whatever you know.

Like yeah, for me, I can't get enough of quality pussy juice talk.

I just love this stuff.

I love I love it.

I don't think either of us are shy at all when she gets super vulgar or you know, she's making like these types of jokes.

I think it's funny people are allowed to think.

Of course, the quality of this one just doesn't match the first one.

That can be their opinion.

For me, tears, it might just be lean a little too hard on the irony sure in terms of the quality though, And like whether or not people are allowed to think that, Yes, I agree, I think also, and I someone on tick Top and this is not me making the comparison.

Someone on tech Deic was making comparison between Man's Best Friend and Torture Poets about how these are albums that didn't need to necessarily be good because they are, as you said earlier, feeding the audience.

And she was contrasting that with Conan Gray's album and with Audrey Hobert's album where this is.

These are two songwriters who I think Conan wrote three hundred songs for the album and it got paired down to twelve, and I think Audrey no doubt wrote some crazy a songwriter.

First Trap is the moment of that album for me, Okay, are you have you finally gotten down?

Yes?

I think it's amazing And it's just like I'm also so I'm realizing now more and more she is like a pioneer of a certain like style and songwriting.

And I'm super happy that she put out a solo record because she should get to be a part of this discussion the caliber of songwriter and singer and performance pop star.

Her videos are really good.

I think we're we're not talking enough about, like talk about a cohesive vocabulary visually, like.

The Clown is so is so great?

Like the Clown, the clown being everywhere?

Who's the clown?

Like you're like I'm the clown?

I guess like all all of these songs on this album are about her speaking and externalizing these thoughts that we all have but can never really put to words, much less to music.

The way that she talks about like this feeling of should I go to the party.

I'm at the party and I don't really like it, But what if I did something like, you know, like or like the uber ride home from the party, or like the feeling of like bumming into your ass.

Like it's all these specific yet somewhat universal things that like, I don't know, she does what all great songwriters and writers do, which is just to like capture it and like let the muse kind of moved through her.

But it's thematically it's all so sharp and like I think this person on TikTok was making the distinction between those albums and an album like Man's Best Friend and Tortured Poets.

Again, their comparison not mine.

Where it's like it gets to be.

They have earned the.

Privilege after the Imperial phase.

I guess you could say the same for art pop maybe where it's like you get to you know, an artist like that wants to be a little chaotic and a little a little like just trade a little bit like I'm just throwing everything against the wall and it doesn't really matter if it sticks or not, because guess what this is.

This is just I've done the thing where I've put out all killer, no filler.

Yeah, I think that's a little bit what it is, and or at least I think and it would make sense to me, like Sabrina earned an album where it feels like you put it on front to back and it feels like it had the goal of like moving her forward musically really indulging in this genre.

Also, did you see do you think it was a response to that idea when Taylor said on the New Heights podcast my goals with Tortured Poets were strictly lyrical.

Oh, I don't know, like you think like she's that's her way of First of all, I think Tortured Poets is what I said it was, which was a fantastic album at the beginning.

I do think people reacted too quickly.

I do think that now you're now seeing people come around to it, like I mean, yeah and so and by the way, like we've done this, like we do this a lot.

But I'm trying to be a little bit more patient than my first listens and not listen to the chorus of people thirty seven and into Fortnite being like this is a flop.

It's like it's just not it's just not that kind of song that's maybe going to hit for you right away, and I do think we could have more patience when we first hear this stuff, but I don't know.

It was just interesting to me that she went out of her way in teeing up The Life of a Showgirl to be like, my goals with Tortured Poets were lyrical, whereas this album is twelve tracks.

You're not getting any more.

It is twelve bangers.

And she literally goes it's like that, you know, she listed her songs that she's done with Max Martin.

It made tears run down my thighs oh, and I basically was like, yeah, this is gonna be a fucking bang fest.

Whereas Tortured Poets she seems to call out her own indulgence in the songwriting, which I don't know if it's like she's not calling out her indulgence, she's just making the distinction that songwriters have where either I'm going to focus it purely on the melodies and the hooks or and not that like these two things can't coincide, or I get to as a songwriter, as someone who's put out great work, I get to have I get to write thirty one songs that are meandering and I don't even exactly and I don't even say indulgence in a negative way.

I guess I'm just saying like she's like, she's calling out there were thirty one songs on that project.

She's like, I had a lot to say.

I was feeling a lot because of a situation where I was, you know, very aggressively love bombed, and you know, at a time when I was already feeling a lot, I had to get out what I wanted to say.

And so my goals were that album, which I feel I achieved, were lyrical because as you know, there were a lot of lyrics, whereas this she seems to contrast brevity, and I don't think it's dissimilar to Sabrina, who I think was like, Yeah, I was this pop hit girl on Short and Sweet and I proved that.

And now here's me and my like cool project that I did in a short period of time because I felt like I was on a roll.

It's classic thing, one for you, one for them, and guess what on the Tortured Poets note, guess what.

I'm still waking up humming to myself the Alchemist.

I love the Alchemists.

People still sleep on the Alchemist.

I'm telling you, so, don't be around me when I look through people's windows.

Comes on, don't be around me.

Don't be around me.

It's not safe.

I'll be looking through people's windows.

You be looking and you know it.

Wait, you know and you know you know you It just occurred to me what to go back to the Alchemist?

First of all, great hook on.

So when I touchdown, called the amateurs and cut them from the team.

Then but then these blokes warm the benches leaving on a witting street.

She jokes that it's.

But then calling them blokes.

Oh my god, she she just cleared.

She just cleared fucking all of these British boys.

She cleared all of them all out.

And Australia too.

You're not safe, ye yeah, yeah yeah, speaking of Australiavor babe.

Last wait what I hear?

The gameplay is great.

I have not watched the season.

I'm gonna send you away.

You can watch it, Okay.

What people are not understanding right now is that you, if you want, you can fully watch Poverty and Surree Survivor on a new season that you've never seen, and it is just as good as you want.

It is wish fulfillment, Peak, Imperial Phase Survivor.

This is so for the fans, and it's extra good if you did watch the Australian Survivor, which is phenomenal.

I hate to say it.

They're just they're producing a much better show than they do here in America, much better.

Less, I hear less advantages.

Less, way less yeah, yeah, yeah, just idols and that's it basically.

First of all, can I say two tribes, seven on each tribe?

So you're kind of immediately getting into it way less advantages.

Certainly, there's idols there.

There are an advantage here and there, but you don't have to like, oh, you don't have to like it's not an arduous mental process to watch the show and you really care because this social gameplay is forefront.

Yeah, and this is the way you do in All Star season.

You don't overwhelm from the top.

It's just it's also the episodes are a little The thing is they're not longer though, they just feel longer, but in a good way, like it just feels you're just I don't know, you're just able to marint it in a more and the challenges don't feel as repetitive like you recognize them, but I don't know.

It just feels like we're too by the numbers and American Survivor right now and too careful.

Well, there's just more numbers on servict every season there's they just keep adding more numbers.

Maybe in terms of the shall I say, gimmicks of the show when it does become perfect word you used arduous to watch now, I really enjoyed the last season.

By the way, we always have fun because it can be arduous.

Because if I'm going to watch a show that's arduous, like that can be the one.

I like it.

It's just, you know, it's borderline right.

You're describing this and it sounds so refreshing.

I must watch.

The fact that Parvety Shallow and Suryfields are on TV together at the same together is.

World news and why are we not?

And I also have to say, what's extra?

Like, I don't think jarring is the word.

It's more just it's surreal.

They look the same.

Oh, they look the same as I did in micron Asia.

I'm like, not either of them have aged.

And they're also competing at the challenges at a really high level.

These women are beasts, yes, they're so good at it.

The mix of characters is great.

It's shaping up to be and I'm not alone in this.

Like a lot of people in the diehard like international Survivor community are watching this and feeling really excited because suffice to say, without without spoiling, you're not facing the problem that you face with like Winners at War or other all star seasons where the obvious targets are out first, that is happening, but in a season where everyone is clearly an obvious target, it kind of falls away and I'm just happy.

Last night it felt like it felt like the pandemic again because I'm sitting on this couch in La eating.

Oh bitch, I am a lump.

I ordered Postmates three times.

You know how high I was like watching Parvity in Surrey, like what the next move?

Like, I'm like, is it two thousand and twenty?

Amazing feeling to be transported for a new thing to transport you in time, Like entertainment marketers take note, this is the feeling you that can accomplish.

This is the thing that can accomplish that feeling, rather than like a reboot of something, it's like, which is I guess we're saying like a reboot, like bringing two alums back to Survivor in a different setting is kind of a reboot.

But like this is all you need.

I got to tell you, Parvity is fascinating, like when we met Parv like all those years ago, because we turned on the channel and she turned by the way, you see that become a meme, like her turning around on the boat, like the very first time she was Everyone Survivor and she was asked about it, she was like, of course I knew I was on TV and I was going to give that look like of course.

But when we met her as like you know, when she was on this podcast, Yes, it almost felt like a different total vibe of person.

Now to see her like restored, like the mature way to like who who she was back then, it's thrilling.

Well, can we say so something happened quote unquote between her being on those culturalistess where she acknowledged to us that we were and I'm gonna give a lot of credit to you that we were the people to bring her back into gay culture.

But I'm giving I'm giving you know that, and I'm but I'm saying something happened between that episode and when she came and shot this promo for the Culture Wards for US last year YEP, where we did a whole Traders tribute and she showed up and that was the first time I had met her in person, and I turned to and it was like, oh my god, I get it, like I get you do.

I get why she is who she is and why she's so iconic.

She just has that like, oh my god, Like what's it.

Like, I'm obsessed with you and which makes you mean cool, which makes you mutually obsessed with her.

You're like, wait, I need her.

It's like it's not a red flag in terms of like and again I'm not saying it's this.

It's not like a narcissistic behavior.

It's like a thing where it's like someone who's just pleasantly magnetic.

But that's all it is.

And then she and I went to rosco Is in LA and the night of the Culture Awards airing.

Oh my god, yes, surpriably and like we got to hang out and I'm just like, her vibe is perfection.

She's great.

She's a good hang She was there with like one girl from Dealer No deal Island and fun like just just like just like just a fun group of like hot lesbians, like just all there and just we were all having a blast.

And I was like, Parvety shallow again and not for nothing, not that like when I'm not to reinforce this, but it's just crazy that she does not look different from twenty years ago.

She does not.

She does not.

And also you see it happening.

You like, what's so great about the show is even like her and Suri truly verify air because even these people on the show that have like earned their spot on this international edition Survivor, they are so gagged for Syrian Parv.

And you can see people who otherwise are playing good strategic games unencumbered and you know, untethered to other people.

The second Surian Parv come in, they're like, well, obviously I want to play with Suri and Parv, so I'm gonna do what they want to do.

I'm just like, you aren't giving away the agency immediately, unique they don't have to, they don't have to do anything.

Nope.

It's like years ago when Boston Rob won the show.

Boston Rob won the show, it was like I think it was called Redemption Island or something or whatever is something.

It was like season twenty is twenty four to twenty three whatever he came back, and the way he was brought in and the way he yeah, has this sort of gilded energy.

They just rolled over and he won, and he won very handily.

It is not unlike the thing even someone like Dylan Ephron, who that's someone who walks into a room and people are like, I'll do whatever that persons some people have Gabby, But for Dylan to feel that way about Boston Rob on Traders was also like, yeah, that tells you everything you need to know about Boston.

Rob And I think was culture words tonight that Dylan and poverty were in the same space.

Obviously, No was that I don't know I've heard before, but certainly, certainly there were a lot of people in that room where I was like, Okay, if we if we got if we got Andy in a camera right now, we can make something happen.

Look not not not not to not to jerk ourselves off.

But I'm still over here like a month later, like I can't believe if that happened, that we did them And take you.

To everyone who came and everyone who watched period Okay, let's go moving on, Okay, moving on.

We attended the may M ball Tony for Lady Gaga.

Now let her cut the line no, no, you know she's getting it eventually Like that was.

I don't even mind the fact that it was like, Okay, this is basically no whatever.

No, That's the beauty of it, the fact that she turned Shallow into an Andrew Lloyd Webber song, just even in the arrangement and obviously in like the staging of it where she's on like the gondola of the canoe, like incredible.

I mean, we are going again, well already, so what's going again?

Already?

We had say I had seen the art of Personal Chaos twice at a Coachella and from two different advantage points, going again, the improvements that she made, it really feels like she sat down and she was like, Okay, how can we even further clarify this story and what I'm trying to say?

And she still was able to do some fan service with the songs that she brought in.

I mean, justice for art pop obviously.

Maybe one of my favorite moments is now applause even moving how bad do you want me to?

The encore that felt right, Like all the change that she made from the original feels like it clarified what she was trying to say as a performer.

I don't know if the changes that she made made it easier for her or more difficult for her as a performer, but I think it didn't matter, because all she wanted to do was find a way to tell this story she's telling better this opera.

And she did that, and just the way that she needn't had changed anything, no, and yet still wanted it to be better, made this even better, made it even better.

How bad do you want me?

Rolling?

As the end credits, Really good for a show that is about like the her own duality, her interior sort of like struggle like between like the mayhem in her mind, like this chaos that she's been sort of I don't know, like maybe she's like held her whole life, but now it's finally like reckoning with like that versus the person that she is on the surface or to the public.

This is something I think that is extremely relatable to everyone, Like it makes you think about your own let's say, mayhem m hm.

And then for her to like triumphantly do a victory lap to a song that still puts it to the audience or to a second person, like how bad do you want me?

Not not like how badly do you want me?

But how bad?

How about?

How like?

How g how edgy?

Evil?

Whatever do you want me to be?

That's such a fun play.

She was she was supposed to like, I mean like by the end of the show.

Not to spoil it, but like, you know, these two things are reconciled in her right and like they love each other, like the Mayhem and like and herself are like one.

They're loud.

My favorite part.

We are monsters and monsters never ever die.

Iconic.

She's my favorite girl.

I love her.

I would do anything for her.

I know, honey, I love her so much.

I know, Lady Gaga forever.

She inspires me.

To this day, I wrote down things in my notes.

I was like, Okay, I want to do something at some point in my career where this happens, Where this happens, Where this happens.

Look at how she's still implanting ideas and concepts into everyone's minds here, both in the room at Madison Square or across the world.

Everyone's watching.

I mean, this is this is one of the best concerts I've ever been to.

Period.

I'm sorry, and it's absolutely question, top top three, top two, maybe number without question, I mean, And so it's it's we've been so spoiled by the live experiences lately.

Yes, and they're incomparable.

But that being said, this is the pop music moment of the year.

Like Mayhem set out all of it.

You know, the Grammy's voting window, not voting windows, eligibility window just closed, in fact two days ago, so August thirtieth was the last day.

And looking at everything, you know, I don't think it's gonna be as competitive and exciting a year as last year when you look at like the pop acts.

But that doesn't matter because even in a crowded year, Mayhem would stand out.

This is a fully committed to no holds barred look back and look forward for her.

You know, it's brought everything that has made her special and put it into one show.

It is the theatrics, it is the daring, it is the sheer excellence on stage when it comes to performance and execution.

It is a nod to what an icon she is and what a hero she remains.

Yeah, it is it is her income conversation with herself.

The themes have remained not you know, exclusively consistent, but you know enough to call them themes in her career, the obviously, the darkness and the light, the dance as salvation.

You know, it is all so beautifully realized, performed, executed bus another club at.

Yes period, beautifully said.

And guess what if the category is dance or die and if monsters never die, I guess there's only one choice, isn't there You have to dance.

What you've been saying, would've been saying, I just yes, she she just.

She fucking I say this literally, she rules, she rules, she does rule, she rules me, she rules.

I'm gonna say, she rules the culture.

This is we needed this, Yeah, we needed this.

Oh can you imagine if this, if this year had been without the Mayhem era, can you imagine it would have really felt different?

And also, you know what I almost did, so Christmas is coming, I'm not doing this so I feel like I can announce I almost did the Christmas Ball and I almost did it like in a Mayhem style.

I'm doing something else because I was like, nah, I can't fully do that because I about the concept and I like it I didn't want to do, but it was close because there's a part of me and I feel like we did do this with the Cultural Awards, So I do feel like we've nodded to it enough.

But there's a part of me.

That's why I get Sabrina with her references and her passion for what inspires her, because it's a part of me that's just like I want, And it's almost like in service to the artist herself.

It's like, you know that we're this obsessed with you, right, But I feel like we've made it clear enough.

She knows, she knows, I'm so excited for the tour.

Well, I yeah, say much more yet.

Yeah, maybe maybe in a few weeks that'll start feeling a little chillier in here.

We can announce more, should we do?

I don't think so.

Honey.

Do you have any other things that you absolutely have to get off your rust or can we go quick?

Things that I must address?

Great season in Miami and skip this if you hate Housewives, Great season in Miami.

I do want to say publicly, Stephanie Shojai, you're not for me.

I kind of resent that you are a center, couch or center that you were sitting center that you have the Andy c for the reunion.

I don't think what you and Alexia have going on this season is that compelling.

I think like for her to call you at Chihuahua is not the same thing as you like dangling around your private jet to girls and you you were more disresponsible to Alexia.

We are a team Alexia House.

We are so whatever team Larsa isn't on.

Larsa.

Larsa commented on the Little Real that I'm watching it happens live posted of me.

I don't think so hunting her, which I stand by.

But she was like, whatever, She's just being a fucking loser, lame ass bitch.

She was like, I was watching Trump because I wanted to be in the know with the news.

Also, I hate your shirt.

I'm like, oh, you'll have to do better than that.

So anyway, she's just Lisa.

Okay, sure, Larsa and then whatever.

But I will say that Center couch should have been gritty and Julia.

No, absolutely girdy and Julia.

But also I want to say that Potomac trailer trailer, by the way, you know who's out.

Karen Huger.

Karen Huger was actually released.

Oh wait, by I think you've been out out of the show.

No, she was released early two hours ago.

What yes, two hours ago?

She was released early.

Karen Hugar is out of prison.

Okay, I don't know.

Now you know, Karen Huger committed several she was driving under the influence.

It got bad, it got dark, she had a bad accident, and this was not her first infraction in that regard, and so she was sentenced too.

I believe it was a year in prison with a year suspended license.

She has served six months of that sentence and is now released, which we're thrilled for.

Yes, because you know, obviously you know I don't play when it comes to driving under the influence.

But you know Karen well, I think I was like watching some interviews and the women were very concerned about how she would do in a setting like that.

It's really sad.

I'm happy that she's you know, done her time and is free and now hopefully we can get Karen backed because I need.

I love to tell this story.

We love Karen Hugar, yes and everyone in her family.

But know, the Potomac season looks fabulous.

Stacey Rush is finally and her words and still and.

Still I rise.

She looks like like main antagonist.

I love it, but I love it no, please, and like Wendy looks amazing.

Even Keiana was giving something and I tend to think Kiana never really gives, but look as she was giving in the trailer.

Monique Samuels is back.

My technical first my co yes on Zoom you were and I was with Candace.

Oh my god, yeah, zoom and I did.

I did watch.

My first watch fors Live was with Karen Yuger.

That's right, Oh my god, my first live with Karen.

Then I did it again with Candace.

You had done it with Monique Bravo.

Please, I beg you watch What Happens Live bookers.

I would love to be booked with Stacy Rush on the show.

Please you have to bowen and Stacey.

That has to happen.

Oh my god, it would be I would be so happy.

But also you don't have to.

I'm sure the calendar is full and no, I honestly listen.

I'm I got a Christmas store.

I'd love to come back.

So I will say when I do go and watch What Happens Live, I do find that the I don't think of My Housewives opinions as being controversial, and then I have to like somehow that it gets interpreted that way or whatever, Like people think I have the worst opinions.

I don't think I have bad opinions.

I just I'm not a Teresa fan.

That's it.

I'm entitled to that opinion.

The Internet.

We're not on this Internet, but the Internet, that's certain.

Whatever, Like the Bravo fans are a wide breadth of people, and you do get a lot of a lot of interesting sunken souls.

Sunken souls is a really, really good way to put it, Like, what is so wrong about my opinions?

I don't like Teresa and I don't like Giselle.

Like watch the shows, watch the show?

Which shows?

Are you watch it?

They're intolerable human beings.

It's like clown braid along with Stephanie Shojai.

Sorry, okay, I just had to bring let's do I don't think so money?

All right?

This is I don't think so honey.

This is a one minute segment where we take a little bit of time to enjoy the view.

Yeah yeah, right.

What we do is we knock something down in culture that's standing upright, and we don't like it.

So this I guess I haven't.

I don't think so honey.

Okay, this is mant Rodgers.

I don't think so honey.

As time starts now.

I don't think so honey that I'm so late to enjoying the US Open.

I feel like this is something in my culture that's been missing and lacking.

I'm obsessed with the US Open this year.

I got to go.

I had between four and six honey juices.

Who can remember.

It's so good, But just the attending US Open culture, the culture around tennis, like I don't give it enough year round.

And suddenly I turn around and people are like, oh, we know who Yanick Centner is.

We knew that Venus was coming back in double thirty seconds.

We have like we know the lore of like Taylor Townsend, et cetera.

And I'm so into this cast of characters.

It feels like tennis, like modern professional tennis, gives us a cast of characters and I had forgotten about that.

So I don't think so honey, me and the way I've been.

But going forward in the future, I'm gonna be like Lynn Manuel, I'm gonna try to be at as much as of everything as I can be.

I'm gonna it's gonna be Lin Manuel, Anna Wintour and Matt Rodgers at every match.

If they'll have me, please suck Dick Floren.

I don't think so, honey.

And that's one minute.

You heard it here first, he'll suck Dick to be at the Open, I was.

I got to go.

Mali took Melissa.

Yes, great reaction shots from you.

Yeah, we were living.

I need to ask you something.

Sure.

My biggest issue with going to Arthur Ash during the Open?

How was it leaving?

Fine?

Really?

Oh that's that's been hell for me.

I will say this.

We were at the night match and we shut it down, like you stayed.

A lot of people leave, which felt disrespectful to me.

During the second match, like it was like you stay with the whole thing.

So we were watching alcaraz One and by the way, he is a fine specimen.

Peep feel hard, peep people feel good good.

Yeah.

Anyway, So then the second match was happening and everyone had left, so Melissa and I were just jamming.

We were having honey juices, we were we were vibing and so then because we were last to leave, so maybe that's why.

But I had such an amazing time there.

No, it's so fun.

My only complaint, it's not a real one.

It's just leaving his hell, but.

Anything.

Arthur ash that that the first time I had ever heard about the sy op now known as the viral Dubi chocolate.

It was Matt Whitaker and I were there last year for I think women's semi finals and their quarterfinals, and then someone comes over, someone I lovely gentleman comes over and goes, have you tried the viral due by chocolate yet?

And we're like, what's that?

Well here, and we we're like, oh, this is pretty good.

Well it's the viral due by chocolate.

Oh okay, I hadn't heard that before.

So it's it's viral.

Yes, it's the viral due by chocolate.

And now it's like a fucking like internet punchline, right, it's.

Like vile due by chocolate, La boo boo bubball.

It's like it's like I just know that this the gibberish that is now occupying all of our collective consciousness, Like, have you.

Had the violtry by chocolate?

No?

Have you ever had it vile due by chocolate?

Yes, okay, I have to try that on air.

You will have to try the viol due by chocolate in air?

Are you going today?

Going?

No?

Tomorrow and Thursday?

Gretas, You're going with Greta right, she's going so excited.

I'm so excited.

Yeah, it was a total sligh blast.

I loved going and I love tennis and I might take a lesson.

Oh, I think you absolutely should.

Let's move.

Okay, this is Bowen Yang's.

I don't think so, honey.

Is he ready?

I think so?

This?

Yeah, I think okay, this is pangs.

I don't think so many as time starts.

Now, I don't think so, honey, Mother Goose, where are the geese in the stories and the rhymes?

You are weird for making your whole thing goose, goose, goose when I don't see a goose?

You up?

Maybe there is the poem old mother Goose when she wanted to wander would ride through the air on a very fine gander.

That doesn't rhyme with wander.

And also if you're riding on a gander, does that mean you're fucking the ganders?

This is and this is getting weird, mother goose, Like, I don't know what your fucking deal is and I don't know where you I don't know what you smoked or what shrooms you IMBII.

You munch dn to come up with three little pigs with puss and boot sifteen seconds, little Red riding her the wolf, dressing up in grandma's clothing, animal doing old woman drag, no agist, I don't like any of this.

I think he might be I think if the story is you're actually a goose hiding and pretending to be a human, that's a scandal and you should be more honest about that.

And that's one minute.

I think we can all agree that mother Goose, it's getting weird.

Real culture number sixty, Mother, mother Goose, it's getting weird.

We heard you know I was today.

I just out of now her laughed at sure.

I weightfield classic of whatever happened to customers?

My service?

Hi, my name is?

Whatever happened to you?

Hello?

How are you?

How are you?

My name?

My name is?

What did you think of of the of the performance?

I definitely thought it was done.

It was fun.

I like to be like to be so she is she on the show, not on the show.

I don't know.

I'm excited, I'm really excited about the upcoming Salt Lake and Potomac Era because I feel like, at best those are the best, and I'm just not I'm not connecting with It's okay, it's okay, but we're we we all give them a chance and we okay, well this is this is a fabulous episode.

I feel this was a fabulous episode.

And we forgot to mention that your girl's going on tour, is going on tour.

I said, come over before after Barclay's I'm right over there.

You'd be really local.

No, she was like, I'm coming.

It was like, great, I'm coming.

I'm coming.

Yeah, I think that'll be really fun.

Well, in honor of that announcement, we have every episode with a song maybe I'm a needle see when I'm run it.

Well, you went thirty four thirty five.

I've been obsessed with thirty four to thirty five song because I will say, like all the discourse about like Sabrina like being like the funny pop star.

I'm like, yes, it's true, but you didn't listen to thirty four thirty five because there's been jokes math class, the Neighbors, earthquake, the sake.

Also that music video.

She is doing like big comfy couch style like splits choreography, shooting the legs, swinging it over one side.

I'm like, go off, bitch, Yes that the Dame got trough Okay by Love Ariano Bye.

Last.

Culturess is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and then her radio.

Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yek, Executive produced by Anna Hasier and produced by Becker Ramo, Edited and mixed by Doug Babe.

And our music is by Henrik Mirsky.

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