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Welcome home, y'all.

This is episode one O eight.

This is a Native lamp Pop where we give you all of our perspectives whether you want them or not, on everything political, and we throw some culture in there every now and again.

I'm your host for today, Uh Andrew Gillum, and I'm joined by the very special.

Thank you so sellers, very special joining Bacari.

Mister Special also known as Beehive Bay Beyonce Uh is the incomparable Tiffany Cross, Miss Cross and of course Miss Angela Ry.

What's up, y'all?

I like how you introduced the guys this time.

Yeah, you don't have to change it up a little bit.

Yeah, so much, so much for ladies first, Yeah, it's for either of you today since we are work together everybody.

I love when we do the show together in person.

They have a completely different feel.

Yes, it's much warmer.

So tell me y'all.

I hope y'all got filled up this last week, you know, on some thankfulness, some gratitude and some good.

Food with that.

What are we talking about today?

What are we getting into a lot?

Is in the news, y'all.

What's up?

But car are you first?

I had an opportunity this week during my other job to talk about Pete Heskett than these boat strikes.

I was on with.

Katie Miller, even Miller's other half, h and so it was a it was a fascinating conversation.

Hopefully we can dig into that a little bit.

Yeah, thoughts about that, because that's all it that that interview or the topic.

I saw the whole show, all of it.

Okay, Well, what I want to talk about every week.

I really appreciate when our viewers take the time to get on video and ask us questions.

So again this week, I yielded my time because I want to make sure that we are able to hear from all of our viewers.

And I know a few questions were directed to us.

I want to make sure we get to all of those.

Absolutely, I love it, Angelou Roberts you.

We will be joined by Ilhan Omar, who is the illustrious congresswoman for missis almost in Mississippi, but she.

Would join Benny Gordon Thompson.

I would love it too.

But she is in Minnesota's fifth congressional district and as you all know, just this week, Donald Trump had the nerve to call her garbage and also say some very pejorative things about derogatory things also about the Somali Americans in her district and in Minnesota rit Lard.

So we're going to talk to her about that as well as Ice Ice Plant ICE's plans to raid Minnesota under the guise of whatever they think is happening with Somali and fraud that this, you know, right wing mainstream media continues to perpetuate.

Yeah, yeah, I can't wait to dig into that, especially when you consider the fraud issue and the national landscape around fraud.

Nonetheless, y'all, we got a lot to get to, so let's get into it.

Peace Family, Welcome home.

Shout out to Nick, Shout out to Lolo Bakari.

I love the addition.

I love the interaction that you have together.

I think it's super dope.

I love that you had my Attorney General Andrea Campbell on.

You definitely should have my mayor, Mayor Michelle Woo on.

I think that'll be really dope.

She would have a lot of things to say.

She is one of the fighters against Trump that I love and I'm proud of, But I guess my question is it's relating to a lot of U all's banter I'll use for lack of better terms, but just going back and forth, right and it what I'm feeling today is a lot of friends that I have don't so much share, you know, the passion and the activism and the things that are tangible to me that we all should be doing right.

And I think there's an approach that may be a little passive, and I judge that, so I'm working on that.

I guess my question is how do you all deal with friends in your individual lives that either have opposing political views or they're not engaged at all and they're like, oh, do all that political shit?

Sorry for swearing, but y'all swear so but anyway, sorry, but how do you deal with that?

Let me know I'm dying and welcome home.

I love that.

I love that.

And Nick Desert of viewers know Nick and Lo Lo and the Projection staff here, niggas our producer and Lo Lo is our everything.

I don't even know what, but when he was giving a shout out, that's what he was talking about.

Barkley.

I think he asked a question that a lot of people are asking, particularly over the holidays, and as as divisive as this country has become, even in our own families, you have I was watching the Balloon Pop you watch those, like the data shows like that.

I love them to be an utter comedy.

I love it.

And so there was one guy who was like, yeah, she said.

The young lady asked him who did you vote for in twenty twenty four?

I saw that and.

He was like, oh, I don't vote.

I don't vote, And it's not because you just don't know.

And she went through her list of accomplishments and educational achievements and she was like, I understand the process, and you were born into this, so you need to play a part.

And he was like, nah, you just don't understand if you think that you can impact with your vote what happens in the federal system.

And it just had me thinking that there are a lot of people who either are on the diametrically opposed or sitting out, and like, how do you engage those people?

And for me, I found that the people that I talk about the most with those type of folk are because he actually brought it up, you know, Mayor Will Brandon Scott.

I think about Frank Scott, I think about Andre Dickens, I think.

About vy Lyles Randall.

Randall Wolfing.

I'm thinking about all those mayors that are on the front lines doing the good things that don't necessarily carry a partisan like backpack, and I utilize them and talk about the good work that they're doing in our local communities and on the front lines fighting against fascism, like she is in Boston, like Brandon is in Chicago.

Because that's where I start the conversation with those folks who you know.

Otherwise it's it's hard to jump in and be like, well, how you feel about abortion, and then the conversation devolves.

I think if you start with these folk who are on the front lines fighting for those tangible things we believe in but also make our lives better day in and day out, that's kind of where I start.

Yeah.

Can I say real quick about Popabloo please?

I do not like it.

I don't find it like I don't laugh at that show.

It's so sad to me.

And that exchanged I think crystallizes why because I was wondering, how is this even showing up in my feed?

Because Bacuri liked it.

I think there is something everywhere.

But that's the point.

It's not to me.

It is it does not represent black lover people finding love and the fact that they're staying proposal.

That is one out of a thousand.

That's the only one I know of.

It might be more than that.

I don't know, but I'm making is it's not funny to me to see black people stand there and insult each other like you you know.

The playground too, I'm good.

I don't like that one.

I don't like any humor.

I'm like the butt of the joke and it's a put down, like that's not funny to me if I'm joking people, I got uplift that, you know, like I'm I don't know.

I just don't like that, And I don't think it's representative of what our love for each other has been, and that's been the only thing that has helped us survive this four hundred year nightmare.

So even that, I think is a perfect example.

Because once she said that, the comments were so awful and they were like she gonna die alone, and she angry like nobody was supporting her position of yes, this guy should be doing something, and for people who don't know, they ask, is he someone that's your type?

And it's like her shoes messed up and I don't like her hair, and it's just the most awful.

Do you see the size?

Do you see the size of my head?

Elementary school?

It was it was my ears.

I don't like it.

I remember we titled this show possible.

You say I'm shallow.

I think y'all honest, I'm just gonna say, I think y'all are all beautiful.

It is.

I'm gonna because you're normally the terrorist on this I'm gonna get back to the question.

You just say.

I'm gonna pop your blow and get.

Back onto this type of care unintended better than a joke.

But I love you still, Yes, So I just I think that it's so important for us to back people out of politics into direct needs.

And it's a lot of what we talked about over the summer this spring.

There are so many people who.

Have felt like the process hasn't served them, and even when they see themselves reflected, oftentimes they don't see their basic needs being reflected.

They hear people saying the right things, but they don't necessarily see people doing the right things.

That is not the truth across the board.

But politics gets naturally painted with the very broad brush because people have so many needs being so I regularly will say to somebody who says I don't do politics, I will go in an audience and say, how many of you believe that people want or deserve clean drinking water?

How many of you believe that people deserve to be fed?

How many of you like?

I'll do that because.

People don't know how much those politics impact those basic human needs and rights.

So I try to do it that way, and I hope we can continue starting at where we agree, and then you can build out to see where the disagreements begin to pop up.

I think that's the only way.

Yeah, but those are audiences.

It's like, what about your friend?

I do that with my friends.

But do you have friends who are like, I'm not really Yeah.

Family members for sure, Kristyn.

I was in the barber shop this morning and they were talking about.

You try not centering yourself.

Politics.

They said, they don't do they.

Don't care about it.

Not like that I find and I wish that we could all do a better job at this is that most times when people say man, they don't work, they don't do nothing, that sort of thing.

It's it's almost always beginning with the belief that one they're not there to serve them.

Two they're all corrupting out for themselves and they're on the take.

And if they ever do anything for you, they only did that because of what they got on the other side of it, right, They only did that so that the cameras could catch them doing it.

They only did that because that's Y and Z, and I just wish one that's cynical view has the it has legs.

We can all point to people in elective office who we don't think is quite the right model.

Yet they're out there.

You know, they're thinking being on the internet and you know posting is your activism, that's your service to the community, rather than you know, trying to become a celebrity rather than a public servant.

So we all know examples of that.

But I got to tell you, in my time as an elected official, in the thousands that I met and the many that I helped to train, I can pick out on these two hands the ones who I thought were toxic and did not deserve and shouldn't be in public service.

Most every one of them had a powerful story and narrative as to what took them there.

They are very clear out about what it is that they feel they have to do as a payback.

Right, even if they are on the come up, now there's a commitment to, like, man, I struggle through that and now to go back and make that easier for someone else.

So everybody is fallible, right, I don't know, I got a message, oh stop it.

So but but the point is, like we have to interview.

I didn't center myself.

I just want to say I think those of us who know better should speak up, like, don't join the chorus so easily when people are tearing down public servants, elected officials, government in and of itself, because the government is there in ways that none of us are thinking about most days.

The road that is paved that gets you from your home to your job, the buses that serve you even though it is not profitable for that service to be continued.

The parks and recreations that their kids play at, the team sports and the recreation league that folks participate in.

All of that stuff is stuff is subsidized.

All of it is subsidized in not profit making for local communities.

They do it for the quality of life.

To make sure that you know, the firm believers been of these servants are firm believers that everybody ought to have access to these things, regardless of what their parents do for work, what they make, what school they graduated from or didn't graduate from.

So I just I think we who know better should really start to do better and intervene against this conversation because the effects of that negative lens has perpetual negative impacts on our community.

Not voting, checking out, not addressing the issues through the right systematic process, but rather I figure it out.

Why what I mean talking about friends?

I so, yes, there are people.

All of your answers make perfect sense to me.

I think a part of the strategy now is to flood the zone with chaos where it becomes too much.

We're asking to care about everything, so you end up caring about nothing, and then chaos feels normal and quiet feels eerie.

And that's what we see happening right now.

So, yes, there are people who understand politics impacts my life.

Of course, they're you know, my friends are mothers, and you know, people who work in various industry.

But they don't always consume the minutia of Beltwaigh politics.

Of course, yes, and that I think sometimes it's like a slow choke hold on us that's happening over time, that we don't notice that we're breathing less, you know, So if it is at some point it becomes normal, like oh, so and so got disappeared today, This person's house project is on pause because they came on the construction site and disappeared everybody.

Donald Trump called somebody garbage today, which we'll talk about later in the show.

Donald Trump told a reporter he's a quiet piggy to a reporter, these things become normal to us.

Donald Trump killed people in the open seas today.

Donald Trump's thtaratening to arrest his political opponents.

All of these things are normalized until it becomes oh, we just don't care.

We have effectless media who aids in that normalization.

I think that's the danger because even I think sometimes I can get overwhelmed with it, you know, where it feels like I don't even know how to start, Like where do we begin to fight back?

And I think that the bridge for us to cross is there are those of us who are watching it at people who are involved in shaping the policies, or at least should be, you know, in an ordinary democracy, that would prevent some of the hell that Donald Trump is reaking on the country.

But there are also people who are just like, you're asking me to care about this thing, and I just am trying to put food on my table.

You know, I'm in a blue state, and you know I support these people, And now my SNAP benefits are potentially being cut because blue state governors don't want to share data with this administration.

So now they're going to cut all SNAP because they don't want to be going through this bootleg vetting process where they potentially kick everybody black off a SNAP.

Right, So there are these other things where you have decided going to I'm not even gonna touch it because I don't know where to be because I'm not informed enough.

And then when I don't touch it, I'm still penalized.

So that's why I extra don't want to touch it.

Yeah, So, Angela, that's why I would not make the argument of trying to sell people to care about all the different issues.

I just want them to care about the things that they encounter.

And that's why I'm saying as simple as your kid participating in the parks and rex department.

When that federal funding gets cut, and then the city council has to decide where to rob Peter to pay Paul.

Because there are some basic things that cities have to do, and then there's the accouterment.

Then there's the nice to dos, the paving of sidewalks, the building of parks.

These are not automatics in communities, and by and large, most people can look at their community and say it's the rich or the wealthier side of town that has the best of all of it.

They all got sidewalks, their roads are always repaid, they're you know, so on and so forth.

So I'm just saying, I wish you would care about all the other things.

But if you're just dealing with you and your household, just think of the obvious ways in which the change in your government can impact.

Everything and life.

My power been out nine times this year.

Come on, what y'all doing in the house.

It's the whole No, it's the entire block nine times this year.

Because there's a faulty wire that we have to p s to make sure they change and they elect.

Commission.

It's the Puget Sound Energy Company.

But it's.

Basically but it's a puge of Sound Energy Company, so it's a public private partnership.

We have to lobby them to get them to stop doing or threatening threatening suit.

Sound like you need to run for the public se I'm not doing that.

But my point is, I will support the candidates is going to keep the damn lights on things.

When you said household, it reminded me because politics is as local as in the house.

I appreciate Andrew's view and the optimism about elected officials.

I also think that comes from a different perspective because I didn't get that in the legislature.

And the main reason I didn't get that in the legislator when I got elected, I remember.

I should have qualified my work was with mostly Democrats, but go ahead.

Yeah, well well mine is actually I'm actually castigating Democrats in this particular, and Black Democrats.

But when I first got there, there's a picture of me.

I was twenty one years old and I'm in the La Times and I'm looking up at the ceiling and I was like, I can't believe that I'm here.

And then after about two weeks, I was like I can't believe you're here.

Yeah, I can't believe you're here, Like who elected you?

I mean people in there falling asleep.

And I think that to your point, this is just the kind of opposite view that I know, you want us to build trust.

But when people see and they see their parents vote for him, and then you vote for him, and they're there for thirty year, but your circumstances haven't changed, it's very hard for you to go out there and say, you know, look, rah rah, we're gonna get it done.

We're gonna get it right the next two years, although the last twenty eight years it has been X y Z, and so a lot of that is on us, because I just feel like our leadership in the Black community, both in the church and elected, has become really, really stagnant.

And that is a harsh over generalization, I admit that on its face, but I do think that that is also eroding trust, and we're starting to see the remnants of it.

I mean, I think that you're particularly with black men, you're starting to see and people who people when you sit in poverty or you sit in environments that don't change, I mean, it's it becomes it becomes very depressing.

Yeah, and it's very hard to care about things out to your point, it's very hard to care about things outside of those things that you touch.

And so we just have to do a better job of of having a refreshing outlook on our media.

I'm talking about black folk.

This is all I'm talking about here now, Democrats, not Republicans, Black folks, our media, our civics or civil rights organizations, our elected officials, our church, the very foundations of our community.

And that's what Donald Trump, that's what he highlighted.

He just when he came through as a force of nature, he showed us that our organizations, our foundation, our structures are not prepared to take this on.

We're figuring out as we go.

But hell, we're nine years in now, yeah, ten years in now.

I mean, so that was the only response I would have, and I know we want to move on the other issues, is to say we, yes, there is a stagnation.

I think we've been lullabied into a dizzy spell where we really don't understand the environment by which all of us are trying to survive through on the big, grand scale, not just individual scale.

But I also think we take for granted, how hard it is to keep just the things that you have coming take, for instance, the cuts that happened to Medicaid or the absence of expansion in certain states.

Do you know the fight that many legislators, you know, and I'm not caping for all, I know all of us have our achilles heels in these positions.

All pride but gets all of us in these positions.

But I'm talking about the larger grander picture.

When we say nothing gets done, well, don't say nothing gets done because you still on Medicaid and you don't know how many times we had to sleep in on the floor of the whale of the capital to make sure you'd even get dumped off that program.

Right, So, I think we oftentimes take an ungenerous view of the work that public servance to agree.

I mean, I want to give a shout out to Leon Howard and Guild a cob Hunter, real rattler.

Yeah, she's a great rattler and they they you know, back in two thousand and four, I believe it was before I got there, they staged a walk out in South Carolina because we had the fewest number of black judges, just so that we would have more black judges now we went from it being a four seat difference than them now having a super majority.

So a lot of times you're right.

A lot of times the efforts.

You make tangibly may look futile.

However, those efforts allow you to do things and chip around the edges to have some successes.

You're right.

I think that both.

I think that we're I think that neither one of the things that we're saying have to be mutually exclusive.

No, they're not wrong.

I agree, and I agree with you, Amary Sports.

I'll take one less example what I was mayor and with shape the next.

I think this is a good citis conversation for the community.

But but there was our request for proposal coming through for who was going to bid on managing this these retirement funds.

So these are hundreds of millions of dollars largely black people's money.

Absolutely, right, absolutely.

But there was a condition in the requests for proposal that your firm had to have existed for a minimum of twenty years to be qualified to complete the RFB.

Well, at this time, I'm thinking, well, who hadn't been around twenty years?

We've had the Great collapse and under Obama's first year.

But the transition between Bush and Obama, a bunch of Wall Street firms bled employees.

Black folks set up firms in Chicago and in New York and in California and other places.

But they didn't have a twenty five year history to be responsive.

And so I said, I'm sorry, we got to ask the question, who who wasn't here twenty five years ago?

Why is that?

Tell me fradicially, why twenty five years is the amount of years you have to be in a business.

Why couldn't we look at a portfolio and determine if they are successful at investments or successful and if they're successful over what horizon?

Three years, five years, eight years, That to me are the types of things that you would want to look at and a request proposal.

Long story short, we change that, and guess what of the five folks who manage the money, two now are minority whitely at that time when we made the change, two of them now are minority firms.

And I'm talking about black and Hispanic, right, So the again monotony, no one's gonna pay attention to the art.

What citizen is caring about RFP?

Well, I care about it because we're trying to build black wealth.

Yeah, and some create tens of tens of millionaires.

So yes, the work is hard, it's treacherous, and there are some treachers elected out there.

I'm not defending it, but I think we ought to look more oftentimes at what the full picture looks like, and I think we'll realize that the glass is more full than empty.

As always, I'm still aligned from my girl tiffing across.

Please send in your listener questions because that was a great discussion.

That was a great debate the lack of a better term.

We're gonna talk aout Pete Haskett in these boat strikes and a little discussion I had with Katie Miller on seeing it on Abby Show on the other side.

Of this break.

We don't get enough of Akari, so by all means.

Joke, I just want to point that out.

It's uplifting.

We don't get enough.

He's not the butt of the joke.

I'm uplifting him.

I want to go back to something that Bakari said.

He said that those orders that were given the drug boats in Venezuela were illegal.

Can you cite those statutes?

Please?

Yes, because It's actually called the due Process Clause of the United States of America because can you point to one of those boats that actually had drugs on them?

Do you know that?

Do you know about the Trinidadians who were killed innocently, who were just fishermen?

Can you actually kill those fishermen without due process?

So the answer to the question is yes, I can cite the Constitution just as God did.

If you if you go and say that those were members of al Qaeda or Isis coming to our chores with enough drugs or enough ammunition to kill one thousand, one hundred thousand Americans, wouldn't you expect our commander in chief to take action to stop that.

That's what's happening here.

That is what's happened.

By the way, that's what happens in every war zone, whether you go to Afghanistan or Ran Somalia, go there.

Let's talk about it.

Give me one name of one individual that you can compare to al Qaeda coming through that had enough fenton all to kill all these Americans.

Can you name one that's fair, not a one, so you have not done.

Come from Venezuela, which is like the which is like one of the most glaring parts about the debate.

Too bad the medium place?

Are you in the Caribbean?

Eighty percent of fentanyl that comes into this country comes from American citizens, not from undocumented immigrants at all.

Yeah, you you know the facts.

I mean what this is for our listeners.

That was Bakari Sellers and Missus Miller, the White King, Stephen Miller, basically the president, the shadow president of the United States.

Every every position this President's come out with has run across Stephen Miller's desk, likely authored by him and then signed by the President.

But early on, when this administration decided it was going to start targeting boats in the open sea in South America and in the Caribbean, I gave the example that you know, say there's surveillance that political enemy of the president.

A lot of people go off the coast of Florida and into the Caribbean.

They have their own boats.

Who's to say that you might not catch a regular citizen with no affiliation, and by as far as we know, every one of them who has been killed so far as a regular citizen, not traffiiced, not our citizens, but is a is a human being who has not been caught physically with trafficking drugs.

I have not seen one, and please correct me if I'm wrong.

One press conference where they have dredged the material up from the exon and bought back keyloads of cocaine, of fentanyl, of whatever it is that they're alleging that these folks are shipping in the open seat.

And so there is something called due process.

Of course, this is also the fourth Amendment of the Constitution.

But what we have here is a president or a defense secretary who has decided to be the judge no, I'm sorry, the accuser.

Yeah, uh, the investigator, the attorney who then tries them, the state attorney or the US attorney, and then the judge, the jury, and the executioner.

All and one fell sw Yeah.

Our constitution isn't set up that way.

The president doesn't get to decide that.

No one individual gets to play all those roles.

And so now we see where we are.

And I'm wondering just after the last week's reporting from the Washington Post where it was discovered that in a September bombing on one vessel See Vessel, that the two people who survived after the initial bomb there or maybe the first two initial bombs.

There were two survivors who were hanging on to debris in the water, and it is reported in source that the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of HECSEF gave instruction to the admiral to kill all of them.

These were survivors of the bombs who were now in the water and given instruction to take to have their lives taken by the US military.

Y'all tell me, please help us make sense of what we think accountability is going to look like in this situation.

We see some movement on the hill.

I'd like to be optimistic that there's some be some accountability for these illegal actions before my cousins and them and others find themselves in the crosshairs.

I think what we should also acknowledge is that accountability is not likely to come from the United States.

That one of the people who were was killed in one of the strikes that now have killed over eighty people in Central and South America is a man named Alejandro Carnza Medina, and they filed a complaint with the Inter American Commission on Human Rights saying that his due process rights were violated, as well as a right to a fair trial.

Under international law.

And I bring that up just to say, we are.

Expecting that this law, this legal system, that this justice system would serve its people.

But we are seeing this legal system regularly side with the illegality of the Trump administration.

And so despite the fact that whatever this Human Rights Commission and decides is not binding, it is still fair to say that that might be the only place where someone even sees justice from an opinion.

And I think that is what is really scary about this.

They are painting people with such a broad brush.

I know we're going to talk about what they're saying about Somali Americans.

Later we're talking.

About Colombians and Venezuelan's and Jamaicans and other folks who live in the Caribbean.

How they're saying, like everybody a fisherman is a drug dealer.

Now, you know, it is beyond And so I'm hoping that Congress will find a bipartisan pathway that the Republicans would set its racism aside, it's xenophobia side to do the right thing from a standpoint of what is just and right.

And I just don't know that that's going to be the case.

And if they don't have to determine what is justin right, maybe they could decide that, you know what, what if a Democrat were in the White House and decided to add put the US military off the coast of Europe up and decided to then sink yachts.

Even outside of our politics.

I think, you know, Macari, I know this is your place of employment, but I just I have a challenge.

I don't think it should be up to you to defend what is righteous and truth.

You know.

I think the fact that she was posing this question quite arrogantly to an attorney, as though he wasn't going to have a ready answer to destroy every stupid point she she made.

If only we had journalists to do that job.

I think presenting this as though it's political fodder.

Yeah, as though well, one side says it's okay to randomly open fire against presumed innocent people in the ocean.

Another side says that's wrong.

So let's debate this and talk about it.

It is not political fodder.

These are people's lives, and I just wonder what is the bar for what You can go on some of these networks and say what is the bar where it's this?

You know, this actually does go against humanity.

We should not have this person on espousing these beliefs.

I truly, it's a.

Genuinely honest question that I think we start, we as the audience, because we're the true power broker for tuning into these things, we have to start asking why is this person allowed to go on there and lie routinely?

So me as a panelist, I have to disrupt and disprove and the host and it's not I think we have an unfair expectation of Abby often because she looks like us, and so we expect like you of all people, like we don't want to see you do this.

But it's quite frankly, not just her show.

Every show on that network will present these absurd views and say let's talk.

About it, and I just every network now.

Every network, And that is part of normalizing the craziness that we see is putting it out there like, oh, this is just we have to give a conservative ideology a space to breathe, and it's not.

It is right wing extremism that we're presenting as though it's a debate.

So my biggest yeah, I hear you, and that that is Abby and I had this conversation because I was, like, I texted her on Saturday morning, I said, did you watch the show last night?

And you know, I was like, we're You're viral now, not for this particular discussion, but because of she and Katie Miller.

Katie was disrespectful and Abby was able to and I love her to death, and she was able to kind of hold her on.

But that is the conversation that engulfs the larger conversation, which is what you're talking about.

Like that, I want people to understand that the conversation Tiffany is talking about is a conversation that actually has had between host and guest and everyone else, like what what does journalism look like today?

And my counterpoint to you is that if I did not have that opportunity to have that debate with Katie Miller, then oftentimes there are echo chambers which have pierced that fourth wall where her voice would be heard unchecked.

And what we've seen is that they go into these spaces, they go into these podcast they go into these networks, and what we always thought were Republican echo chambers that only Republicans listen to has actually pierced that fourth wall.

And now it's made it into mainstream even without the networks.

Now I don't This is now, this is when I really see the ground in utifany, because you actually are the journalist in the room, so you have those type of standards and ethics and morals.

But just from a consumer of news and one who plays, you know, commentator on TV, I was just thankful for the opportunity to be able to have my opportunity to push back on it.

Now, I mean just from a legal perspective, that's one argument from a shifting gears a little bit from a legal perspective, people are like, well, they don't even deserve due process.

And my argument to that is, if you're actually going out there to capture someone who you believe is bringing drugs into the United States to be held accountable under our system of jurisprudence, then yes, you can't have it both ways.

Regardless.

One of the things the United States has been able to do, save for George W.

Bush, has been able to keep us out of this international court system because the Geneva Convention also applies, like you can't indiscriminately kill people civilians.

You can't even I mean, you can't even indiscriminately kill people.

Who are combatants who have given themselves up, that's right, or or are debilitated from fighting, so they could they could have not given up, correct, but don't have a weapon and don't have the means to now fight back.

And this is and so you saw you saw the African American, the black man and his name escapes me now.

But he had been an admirable for three decades who resigned his post quietly, didn't embarrass nobody, didn't pull a lane Kiffin right, didn't resign under the cover of darkness and catch a plane to be to LSU.

He didn't do any of that.

He just was very respectful.

Now you have.

Admirable, Admirable Admiral Bradley, who Pete Haskiff is thrown under the bus because he said, well, he called those strikes and I mean, that's just And at the end of the day, there may be accountability, it ain't gonna be where it should be.

There'll be some heads that are rolling, but it ain't gonna be the ones that should.

We might play this clip from Pete haiks As twenty sixteen, because my how tables have turned.

Well, if you're.

Doing something that is just completely unlawful and uh and and ruthless.

Then there is a consequence for that.

That's why the military said it won't follow unlawful orders from their commander in chief.

There's a standard, there's an ethos, there's a belief that we are above what so many things that our enemies or others would do.

Our laws are.

Clear, you can refuse illegal orders.

So they is Lambastard Democrats for the last two weeks, calling them Benedict Arnold's traders for the dead, their hangings, yes, so on and so forth, because they said, what was the law, what is the standard within the US military.

Cabinet and from the commander in chief that you wouldn't give or authorize them to follow unlaw for orders.

And the fact that they.

Simply say they do not follow in law for orders, they're like trader, Well, who they trading?

I think Tiffany's it you to jump in.

But I have a conspiracy theory and I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

A wife, My wife is very much a conspiracy theorist, Like she doesn't believe in coincidences, none of that.

Like anyway, people are going to ask the question why right, Like for somebody who's listening to the show.

They'll be like, Okay, they're bombing.

They're bombing people in the middle of the Caribbean, Like why, Like, none of this really makes sense without an answer to the question why, what's of value?

Why are we Is it really because the war on drugs?

I mean, is that what it's really about?

And I have come to the conclusion that it's not.

I have come to the conclusion that this is all about Venezuelan and oil.

And I don't even know if it's a conspiracy theory as much as it's like geopolitical, like gut check.

But if you see US ramp up outside of we actually have naval vessels that have pulled up to the coast of Venezuela.

By the way, that have left the previous territories where they were assigned in the Strait of Taiwan, correct off the coast of Russia.

I mean, the real hot spots in the world, in fact, the hottest hot spots in the world when it comes to threats to the United States of America in our interests across the globe, they removed those and brought it into frankly, the quiet part of the world.

Just at his point to just to add a country on what you're talking about.

He also just partoned Win Orlando.

I can't figure out.

I can't put that into my.

Town tip drug trafficker, d pardon this guilty by Americans?

Yes, pardoned him.

So.

And Venezuela's oil is less than one percent of the globes oil production, but imagine the United States getting their hands on that.

Maduro himself has.

Said like, this is about the oil, but this is also why I would say having an understanding of foreign policy and global movement does directly impact us in our politics and our policy.

Here the only thing I was itching to jump in the car because I disagreed with something you said and I.

Didn't want to not.

Well when you were saying, if we don't respond to those voices like a Katie Miller type, then they go left unchecked.

I don't believe.

That requires us to roll out the red carpet for right wing extremists and see platforms to them.

You guys, remember when Megan Kelly was being apologist Forlia.

I was just talking about her on my I didn't and watch it, but I saw it, said, don't you she said?

She just say she was discussing I'm talking about her pedophile comments.

Fifteen years She's.

Like, but he wasn't eight, Like what are we children?

But she was not the only person in that conversation joining her was Batia Unger Sargon, who is right next with her.

This is my point.

Batia is sitting there agreeing with her, who say yes, precisely, she called herself a journalist.

She worked for a few outlets, and now she's doing CNN show and often does Abby's show.

Now you're telling me, we all know people.

Who are not allowed on CNN anymore, but a person who is an apologist for pedophilia is invited to come back to the platform.

You can say disrespectful things about black people.

You they all kind of things, you're invited back.

And apparently you can also say it's okay to fuck a fifteen year old and be invited on these networks.

That is not a voice to me, like inviting member or namble next.

That's not a voice to me that should be invited to the table.

So this is my challenge with the networks.

I don't want to hear from Katie mill to me.

I look at that and I'm like, it's kind of insulting to me see Bakari there, because it suggests that Bakari and Katie Miller are the same thing.

But that been doing that.

But I mean, that's why I always, okay, if I if I were to give you credit for a depiction and call your depiction accurate of the current media landscape, if qualified, that's why your voice is more necessary now than ever.

And that's why when you I'm talking to you directly, Tiffany Cross, take a step back and say I will not participate in that circus.

I think that does a disservice to the people, both of y'all, Tiffany Cross and Angela Ray.

I think that does a disservice to all of us out here who need your voices pushing back, because if I give you credit, if I give you credit for an accurate portrayal the media landscape as we're going through this treacherous time, if you all aren't there to be some type of stopgap voice, pushback, angry speaking for us, then I fear that again they'll they'll be voice.

There'll be people out there who are consuming this because that clip made it all around.

But you know what, you know how it didn't make it around from people necessarily watching CNN.

That clip, made it around on TikTok, on all these my facial expressions, all these other things.

And I just think that's sometimes we sell it.

We we sell ourselves short for the greater good to protect our piece.

And who am I to tell you to destroy your own peak?

I think just go ahead, please, because you're you actually.

Alone.

I think that I think that there is a way to do it, and if I'm perfectly honest with y'all, I don't know the answer.

I think that there are voices that I don't agree with that I want on this platform.

If I could have.

Megan Kelly come on so I could talk to her about the Michelle Obama BS, I would do it.

I think there are The thing that I resent is when they have people who are not equally qualified, yes, debating right, so and lot, And to just be completely honest, I know I'm thinking about this around views and monetization.

Having Megan Kelly on is going to be a boon for the show, So I'll make decisions like that.

That is where I am similar to a CNN exec that's like, oh, this is going to be good for ratings, so I understand that.

I also think it is imperative that if you make a decision like that that whoever, whoever your other guests are, your hosts are readily prepared with facts to refute some of that, Like.

That's part of the problem.

Good for ratings and bad for democracy.

But so executives, they're like, yes, but I think.

That if I hate to say that at least a third of the country agrees with some of these people.

I don't think it's happy.

I don't think it's happened.

I think it's a third because a third of the folks at.

Home, A third of the I was thinking about voters, Okay, but you're.

Thinking about voters to a third of the voting stayed home, A third Kamala third Donald Trump.

So if that's the case, I believe that we have some obligation to.

Influence them and to equip our family members.

Who are politically engaged or might be on the friend to be let me just say this is the one last point, might be ready to almost engage.

Give them the talking points, give them the things that we're saying where they're like, okay, that makes sense.

I can go on.

Are they convertible are those people recept.

That that's who you're talking to.

I'm talking about the people who would listen to us that are like I would find you.

But I just need the information.

You also need to watch.

You don't need a watch, that's the thing.

And in order to shift democracy, in order to change the future of the country, you don't need a wide swow.

You're talking about decimal You talk about decimal point.

So would you do you do you see any inherent value in the lord?

The topic is way over there and we're down here now, But do you see any inherent value Tiffany Cross of you debating Ben Shapiro, No, I do.

I do.

And I just find that to be fascinating to.

Be on a platform though with and this is no diss to anybody that we're talking about today, a platform where there is a moderator that will fact check the debaters if you're going to have a debate in Earnest Tip says she doesn't like to debate.

She debates with us about everything.

Everything the way.

I'm just saying, like, if there's somebody like, let's say we're having a debate on reparations, right and and someone comes to the table and says this country has never paid reparations before the moderator come and say, actually the Japanese after Japanese internment blah blah blah, and this, like they can go through and say and at the state level, this and at the city level, these things happen to correct the narrative.

I'm fine with that.

But if I'm going on somewhere.

So I think, what a fact.

I take your point, but this is where I will qualify it.

We can debate.

Yes, let's just say, for your argument sake, that we debate all the time, that I like to debate.

Let's say that's the debate.

I don't like the baby everybody and y'all think I like debate.

Okay, fine, let's say that I like to debate.

I think our debates that we have here and debate that I'd be willing to have are policy positions.

You know.

We can debate about school choice.

Yes, that's a position where we might all feel differently.

If my debate position is one and your debate position is rooted in a lack of my humanity, and its rooted in my oppression that it is to me, beneath me to entertain that thought.

One.

I don't think that those people are convertible in their thought.

I think the handcuffed positions to white supremacy are so deeply penetrated in this country for four hundred plus years.

I'm just convinced I can't live alongside these homicidal maniacs and expect at some point they're gonna say.

Oh, you know what, like you're fine.

I know you.

Disagree, But the reason I disagree is because I look at I look at an example like John Lewis and Julian Bond who had to debate with Lyndon Baine Johnson, who saw him as niggas.

They were one hundred percent niggas.

And the reason that he the reason that they had to debate, the reason that they waded into that deep water to debate with somebody who did not see their humanity, is because practically they saw some tangible goals that they could receive from that debate that they ended up succeeding in getting.

I mean, that's why you have this really cool picture of my dad and John Lewis sitting on the sofa in the Oval office.

You got on these high waters because LBJ didn't see the benefit of their humanity.

But they were able to go in and get the Voting Rights Act the sixty four sixty activists.

Though, So yeah, I think for activists, yes, that might take on a different perspective.

I think when you're when your job is to inform the people, I don't think that's a good idea.

But if if part of informing is to dismantle and dispirit other positions, there is a space for that too.

I just think that there's got to be a way to do it responsibly, and we have to figure out what that way is.

It's not being done responsible now.

And I'll tell you, when you first started going on television, I would be disgusted who they would put you across from.

I mean, these are people who were not qualified to be your assistant, you know, and they had you like debating them the same way with you and Katie Miller.

And I'm looking like this is so and you're excuse.

My mouth, I'm trying not to cuss, but the god damn governor, the state.

It was offended debate.

I respect, holy what you mean by this mismatching and disrespect all of us being suggested, right, But I think there's some things we can no longer pretend don't exist.

The ship has sailed on.

The fair moderator who's all knowing, all seeing, can come up the middle and say this is a fact, and that's a falsehood or the like.

That's not where we're that's not what we are, and I don't know that we're ever going back there.

And so given where we are, given where we are, the reality of where we are, and that people are getting information from these really short clips that look viral and they're sensational and they show conflict, but they're also in some ways, depending upon who is on the listening side, based in somebody's facts, right.

And so if people, if we don't accept the challenge that our folks more than anything, because you talked about you, you believe these people, folks are not convertible.

That's not who you're talking to.

We're not sending you there to convert them.

We are sending you there to give our team the information resource material they need so that they can be a better advocate for what we believe.

And hope, Well, there's.

That, But more than anything, these people want to be able to repeat.

I wanted to because most people want to be thought of as smart so they want to hear from a smart person some smart thoughts that they can then share with difference who they know ain't listening to the native lampid, right, And then they're the smart ones of the group.

We are going to we are going.

To No, I mean it's real.

We got equipment with the knowledge, the skills, and the tools in very short order, so that when y'all we should play that video about the conservatives on the campuses, and whether or not we thought we should, you know what that was, And I said, did you see that black boy beast?

Up?

He was He was stating facts to those young Republicans that I'm not quite sure I believed he had under his command until he had him under his command.

And so sometimes it's you've got to be face to face with the enemy.

Sometimes you gotta be just bare knuckles with them to show people what it's like to wrestle and to win at the end of the day.

Then you equip them with the ability to do that.

And I think the more we lean into that forgetting about the fact that the ways of old used to be that there were fair and balanced conversations, we're not there anymore.

That day is probably never coming back.

Giving our current landscape.

We were talking about this well, and on top of this, I'm thinking about got mad thinking about Andrew's debate.

Was rond de Santis like they're not even on the same page, Like how dare y'all put them to rumble in the same ring.

But the reality of it is the same thing exists for our friends in Congress.

They're sitting in hearing rooms.

The reason why beach blonde, bad bitch.

But every time I say, all the time, but.

Her, you've been cussing a lot.

Pray for me Jesus to see.

How speaking some of them that was actually a speech impediment issue.

Just now, so saying bitches.

Whatever is the point I tripped over my tongue in that Moment's an impediment.

Just the short one sitting here's the point.

Literally she's talking, She's like, can you even see through your eyelashes?

That's where we got.

That bar from.

Right, So we are we're in position in corporate America, in boardrooms, in classrooms, in these types of rooms where we're with people who are not they're punching above their weight all the time to even be sitting next to us, And so we have got to figure out a way to rumble in away that isn't.

You don't have to go there.

Yeah, you tell people all the time you don't.

You don't necessarily roll around with pigs.

I mean you in the pig when once.

I think all four of us have a very good understanding that when we are in these spaces the cues we have to take to not look.

Dominant, angry.

And to the woman, no, no, no.

You got to realize you're talking.

I'm talking to a white woman on TV.

So all I'm saying is, but we can rumble with them.

But when I said we were not equals, I meant it.

I'm not going to rumble the same way you are.

I'm gonna rumble.

I'm gonna teacher boo.

Because they're not in case, they're not capable of learning that they can observe it.

But they can't.

So when you're saying that you rumble differently, what is a what is an elevated rumble?

I mean we can put the clips I have, I've got examples for one second.

For one second, stop centering yourself.

But I mean, like I tell people this all the time, I say, you never argue with the fool because people watching can't tell the difference.

And so when you're in these debates with people like that, first of all, we all have had the moment that you math to make this very conscious decision and everybody listening, No, it's today to day, I'm gonna lose my job.

That is a conscious decision that you think about.

Black folk think about this at work all the time.

When they going to this meeting, they're like, it's to day to day, I'm gonna lose my job.

And then and then you center yourself and you get the and then you say you realize, like, I'm not trying to change Katie Miller, Like, I don't think I'm gonna have a conversation with Katie Miller.

Is she gonna go back home to Steven and be like those strikes are bad, my love?

What I am doing now?

And this is why, this is why I will I will preach this and yell at Tiffany until I am blue in the face.

And why I think her value is just immense.

It's because now those clips are going around and even little black kids or whatever they are just to your point because you're not talking to Katie, You're.

Not talking about it.

You're talking around and so and I tell people like and particularly black men, it's I'm not saying that our job is more difficult.

Our job is different because we don't we can't get angry, because if I get angry on air, then oh my god, I'm threatened.

You know, you're six five.

I'm threatened by your persona like, why are you so angry?

This angry black man thing?

So you know you have to maintain your sense, your calm, dignity, your dignity aside eye.

And then you, I mean, you got kids, you like my kids watching this.

I can't get up here and act a fool alto you know if you would have caught me.

Eddie different because Eddie ride five ten, He'd like to say five eleven.

Eddie rod be hollering right at He was yelling at somebody the other day at the my mom's in a rehab facilities.

If door is open, Eddie Rye screaming.

I said, so you do know that you're scaring every single one of these patients in here, can you?

I took the phone, I said, mister Weinberry know all due respect he was talking.

Mister Wibery said mister wine Bery, I have he gonna have to call you back because he in here.

Scaring all these patients, like you know, so he's built, and I.

Know, I know black women have have have a set of struggles.

And I'm not saying one set is I'm not doing the Oppressional Olympics, but I'm just saying for and I am unfortunately kind of I'm sorry to speak for you, Andrew, but this is just something that we have in common when we go on TV, or we're speaking in front of groups, or we're rumbling, as you so eloquently put.

Well, I'll just say this.

We're about to talk to somebody who has had her share of rubable and one has had to elevate, levitate above some of the guttural ways in which our politics is taking shape from the highest office in the land.

That's right, Let's check you in.

Congress ilhan Omar.

Yeah, right after this, nobody knows.

All right, everyone, we are thrilled to bring to you all a good friend of our ours.

Her name is Congressoman ilhan Omar.

She represents Minnesota's fifth congressional district, and she has been front and center in the media this week and it is not by her own doing.

The President of these United States had this to say about Congressoman ilhan Omar and members of her community, the Somali Americans who live in Minnesota.

With Somayad, which is barely a country.

You know, they have no anything.

They just run around killing each other.

There's no structure.

And when I see somebody like ilhan.

Omar, who I don't know at all, but I always watch her for years, I've watched her complain about our constitution, how she's being treated badly.

A constitution.

The United States of America is a bad place.

It hates everybody, hates Jewish people, hates everybody.

But what I watch one is happening in Minnesota.

Somalia's ripped off that state for billions of dollars, billions every year, billions of dollars.

And they contribute nothing.

The welfare is like eighty eight percent.

They contribute nothing.

I don't want them in our country.

I'll be honest with you.

Okay, somebody would say, oh, that's not politically correct.

I don't care.

I don't want them in our country.

Their country is no good for a reason.

Their country stakes when they come from hell and they complain and do nothing, but bitch, we don't want them.

In our country.

Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.

God, I hadn't seen that whole thing.

Yeah, I thought it was important to show as she still lets her light shine despite what Donald Trump is saying.

Congressman, I don't know you to be anything but a loving fighter, and it is so immensely frustrating to watch that take place in a cabinet meeting this week.

What's your response to Donald Trump and the cabinet members who sat there as he went on this very dangerous, hateful, xenophobic tirade racist?

Yeah, I mean, he's he's such a bigoted fool.

You know.

It's just the the the level of bigotries in a phobia islamophobia.

It's it's it's hard to understand how somebody can hold that much hate in their heart and and still be able to call other people hateful.

It's also, I think really creepy to have this level of obsession with somebody that you haven't met.

That's real.

I wonder, Congresswoman, how do your constituents, your neighbors and friends in Minnesota?

I mean, I know Minnesota would be quite an incredible state led by some pretty incredible people, yourself included.

Generous folks, good.

In spirit, good and heart, very honest.

I mean, I don't want to overdramatize this, but really I've had a lot of experiences and met a lot of people from your home state, fundraised there before.

It's it's a good place.

I wonder how do your constituents respond every day lay persons who don't have your experience with Donald Trump?

Right, he's the President of the United States.

How do they reflect on that?

And they've they've responded the only way Minnesotans know how to respond.

They've responded with kindness, with love, with compassion.

You know, Prince is from Minnesota and once said, you know, it's it's Minnesota nice, but it's cold and it keeps the bad people away, and so you know, we don't we don't.

We don't like hate in Minnesota.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One of the questions that I had is that people always see you with the national profile, but oftentimes you have really really good members of Congress like yourself, and they don't know the successes and the tangible things that you've brought back to your district, brought back to Minnesota.

When we're going out there fighting for you, will tell us what are some of the things that you've done in your legislative career for Minnesotan's and disregarding that national fervor that push against you, how you still been successful and bringing it home distill a word from Andrew Gillim for Minnesota.

I appreciate that question.

I mean doing COVID.

I passed My Meals Act that helped feed twenty two million children across the country and in Minnesota.

I've also been able to bring back forty six million dollars to invest in multi family units to create an entrepreneurial community kitchen for the black community in my neighborhood that in my district that have that entrepreneurial spirit.

We've invested in essentially ending homelessness for veterans in Minnesota.

So there's a lot of really good work that we have been able to do since I've been in Congress in twenty nineteen.

You and I want you to go, but I got to bring this up since you just brought up the COVID nineteen.

We of course are aware of the.

Fraud that Donald Trump talked about at the Cabinet Secretary meeting eighty thousand at least Somali's in Minnesota, and there have been seventy five people indicted in association with the COVID nineteen fraud scheme.

The leader of that is someone that they have somehow decided to shield.

Amy Bach, who is defeeding our future executive director and founder is a white woman.

But somehow this became a Somali led fraud.

So I would love for you to debunk some of what has been widespread over the last several weeks, as if this hasn't been prosecuted since the Biden administration, but if you could talk a little bit about the truth around that case and why they're targeting Somali's.

This is such a dangerous thing to be doing right now.

Yeah, I mean, as you alluded to, the ring leader of the fraud scheme and the person who helped make make that fraud a reality, unfortunately in our state is not Smally.

It's a Caucasian woman.

We've also had others that have that have been indicted as well that are not of Somali ethnicity.

The reality is there's eighty thousand of us, majority of US are citizens over ninety percent.

Many of us have been in the United States over thirty years.

Many of us have not been resettled in Minnesota.

We all started out in different states, about ninety percent of us, and chose to live in Minnesota and move there because it is such an incredible state that is so welcoming and has made us be able to.

Thrive and and and be a vibrant.

Part of of the of the state and of of the community.

UH and Minnesota's in general are very resilient, very strong people.

We don't survive and thrive in that cold weather without having some some strength and resilience.

And I know that as the raids are are happening right now with with ice, they are being met with that that resilience.

They are being met with with people who are showing them that they are citizens, and they're having a really hard time and making fools of themselves trying to find a non citizen or somebody who is undocumented in our community.

Because that is like a needle in a in a Haysack.

We don't really have a lot of people who are undocumented.

Majority of US came to the United States with a refugee status, which means you come in with documentation and it means that we get our Green card within a year, and within five years we are citizens.

And we have the highest number of immigrants of any kind in the United States when it comes to achieving that citizenship.

Congressman, I think it's really important for our viewers and listeners to understand why Somalians are receiving TPS, the temporary protected status.

This was actually granted under the Bush administration HW Bush in nineteen ninety one after the fall of Sayid Bar which led to a clash of warlords.

And so people have been fleeing the Horn of Africa for decades now because this community keeps getting granted TPS.

And now that the entire structure of our democratic norms, including TPS, has been thrown into disarray, I want to know what is the practical full solution when our government is disappearing people.

So when I shows up to your constituents door simply because they are Somali, Somalian are what are they supposed to do, particularly at a time where they are disappearing people to foreign countries.

We have no idea.

We're not keeping track of these people.

People are literally disappearing from data from watchdog organizations.

What is the practical thing that they should do when the government knocks on their door with the intention to disappear them.

I think thank you for that question.

Like I said earlier, many of the Somalis who are in the United States are citizens and they are Green card holders, so permanent residents.

We have about four hundred.

Folks around the country of the out of the one hundred and thirty thousand or so Somalies that are in the United States, and those folks with the with TPS status.

What we have been telling.

Folks before even the administration was sworn in was to get their documentations in order, because we knew that with Project twenty twenty five, it wasn't just going.

To be.

You know, this administration going after people who were undocumented or who had you know, some sort of shaky status, but that they were ultimately coming for every single person that could look like an an immigrant, especially.

If you are brown or black.

And so our community has been preparing for for this fact.

And that is why, you know, I said earlier, with the ice rates, they they are seeing you know, folks have their passport ideas which folks can get if they don't want to carry their passports.

Folks, are you know.

They they're taking photos of their passports so that they have it on their phones.

People know, you know where the immigration lawyers are, where the resources are within the Twin Cities and the state, A lot of people have connections to the ICE offices and enforcement and so this is this is a community that is equipped with information and feels empowered to be able to defend themselves, and so uh, that would be I guess my recommendation to everyone else is one, know your rights.

You do not have to respond to ICE agents unless they have a warrant that is signed by a judge.

You don't have to show identification of any kind if if there if it's not.

Warranted by any to any law enforcement.

And if you do.

Have an undocumented status, please please make sure that you carry any sort of documentation that could be helpful and in making sure that you do not get abducted and detained, because ICE ditentions are very inhumane.

Uh, and these ICE agents are also a lot of them are untrained in many aspects and it could be a very dangerous encounter.

Congressman, I know you have to run.

I guess want to ask a quick follow up.

So I appreciate you drawing the difference between you know, Green card holders and those with TPS status.

However, I think we're seeing we're at a moment in history where so many people are awaiting this invisible red line to be crossed, and we see that happen again and again.

We've seen US born citizens abducted and detained.

And so, as a member of Congress, you are a part of these democratic norms.

You are a part of a structure.

And I'm wondering if what you're saying still matters today, uh, and more importantly, will it still matter five years from now.

We've already eroded some of these norms.

We've already to a certain extent, normalized people being disappeared.

So the advice you're you're giving is relevant to some may say it's relevant to a government of yesterday.

We've seen Ice have violent confrontations with people, and when people are bearing witness with their phones, we've seen them be attacked by Ice.

And then it'll beg the question, who are these people who are allegedly of Ice.

They're masked, often not showing their ID.

How do we know these aren't proud boys?

In uniform.

It seems like all the rules have been thrown out.

So I guess I'm kind of sounding the alarm to you, uh, and wondering what what do we do from here from a legal perspective, a congressional perspective, but also a perspective just from our personhood when we're physically confronted with these things.

Yeah, no, I mean that that is that is the.

Question that we're all asking ourselves, right, are are the norms that we are used to, the laws that we know exist, do they are, do they apply?

And will they continue to apply?

I think as lawmakers, it is our job to continue to do some oversight.

It is our job to you know, visit these ice detention centers, to do the field hearings, uh, to put the information out for people.

But it is as as.

You said, these are very dangerous times, uh, and we have to also document and learn from this moment because as Democrats, when we do have the power back with our gavels, we we are going to have to do some accountability and we are going to have to do some investigations and subpoenas and figure out, you know, how do we hold people accountable who have broken the law as as they carried out this sort of mass deportation.

And I would say I'm not I don't only tell people who are are you know, who became a citizen or a legal resident to to carry their paperwork.

My son was born here and he has a passport I D So that that fear is in every single person that that could be uh attacked and and you know be be attacked by by ice agents as they just go about their their day to day.

So it just is that.

Kind of time that we're living through that that it is necessary for us to be able to empower ourselves with every tool that that we have.

Uh.

And lastly on this, I will say, you know, community matters.

We have seen that they have not been successful in Portland, Oregon, in Chicago, Illinois, in h l A, Cowfornia, and we're certainly seeing that they're not being successful in Minneapolis or Saint Paul, Minnesota.

Because community is showing up, People are defending one another, people are providing information and protection to one another, and people are alerting each other when when they see something coming.

And so I would also say we have to think of ourselves as being part of community and protecting our neighbors and our beloved once because what this administration is relying on is that we all become so fearful and that we are intimidated into silence, into not defending the rights that we have under the constitution in this country.

And it is important for us to know those rights and to show up for one another in protection of those rights, because these are rights that were hardly, hardly earned and fought for by those that came for us.

I will just say on that community.

You come from the Twin Cities, and I just want you to hear from our dear brother and friend, the Mayor of Saint Paul, Melvin Carter, who had this to say about Trump's comments.

And so when we talk about attacks, racist is homophobic xenophobic attacks on our Somali community.

And you combine that with what Mayn Fred just said, the vast majority of our Somali community are citizens.

So who just attacked isn't just Somali's who attacked a Somali Americans.

Who attacked is Americans.

And so the President of the United States is telling you out loud that he hates Americans, then I can't imagine a greater confession of.

Incompetence to do the job that you've been hired.

To do than to say you don't believe that Americans belong in America.

That's what Donald Trump said to us today.

And it's very important for us to understand that.

That was not just an attack on our Southmley community.

It was an attack on our So Miley community and everything Mary Fry comes from and Ozma said is important.

But it's easy to sit at home and say, oh, he's attacking them.

He's attacking Americans, American citizens, American residents, American.

Neighbors are They're destabilizing.

Communities and trying to get us to be.

Afraid of somebody because of what they look for.

And as Mary Fry said that it's probable that there will be constitutional abuses, it's not probable, it's what they're saying.

They are saying they target people based on how they look.

Now, all of us grew up in classes that taught us that that's.

Wrong, and it's still wrong today.

So what you're the president say today was that he is incompetent and incapable of being a president for the people of the United States because he just said out loud that he despises Americans.

Thank you, Thanks long even always brings the fire.

Beautiful, beautiful said.

He learned that at FAM you.

Were so great.

We're so grateful for your time, so much, for your fight, and for your current We see.

Prayers to you for your safety and your peace and your blessings.

Yes, and your children.

Much loves this.

Thank you all than take care.

Thank you congress woman.

I love it.

Really.

I wanted to do a question, but I didn't know.

I didn't want to.

I didn't feel like it wasn't.

But I didn't want to do it.

I didn't feel like it was I didn't feel like my question was proved it or timely.

Because when she talked about accountability, I wanted to go, that's a that's the.

Thing that's important.

I wanted to just frankly ask her, do you think that the King Jeffries is?

I was you and I were.

I didn't want to ask after that.

Before I didn't want to really put it on the spot like that.

I wanted but has to write because I just knew she wasn't.

I don't feel like she would have answered the question either.

He's already saying we're not going to ask.

Because I was like, do you think it came?

Do you do you think of came?

Jeffries can meet this moment a speaker of the House, And I want to know, I.

Want to know where.

That's a question you asked, do you think Jeff can meet this?

I was firm in my belief a year ago.

I'm less firm today.

But I don't I don't think the answers no.

I don't think the answers no because I know him, But it's just I don't.

I don't feel how do you let hesef off?

And we haven't heard the first testimony from anybody about what's really going on with this this program.

So I actually, I actually think that that that's kind of my call to action to kind ofsorder.

We have to pay some bills.

On the other side, we're coming back with call to actions.

Don't go anywhere.

Who cares about truth in the loud.

I just where I ended with her was the prayers for her family and her safety.

I just think that we have to do a better job of lifting people up who are in the shadows.

And I said that before Thanksgiving talking about people who were telling Carstraate.

I just don't think that we were so consumed with our day in and day out, and we talk about this as if it's just news when they're actual people there.

So you know, I do.

I pray for the courage of a King Jeffries because I'm not sure anymore, which is also a very dangerous place to be.

But I also pray for those families who are going through the unmentionable right now of just can you imagine I mean, we don't, I mean, we niggas right.

We got a lot of stuff.

That we got to worry about regends, but being like picked up on the sidewalk on the way home, that ain't really one of our concerns right now.

So a lot of times it's a it's hard to empathize, and so I'm just asking people to have a monocrum of empathy.

That's my call to action.

I have to the first one.

That's quick.

Y'all didn't really let me get into pop the balloon.

So can we talk about that on the mini pod?

Yes, And it won't be a debate because everyone.

Everybody we tune in to see how we feel this.

We don't talk about that on MANI pod.

And my second call to action is something that's also very consistent with something I say here, and that is dogs are not Christmas gifts, Okay, they are responsibilities.

And so I see all the time people you.

Are be a part of it.

Please let me be apart.

They won't make it to the end of the podcast.

I want to be a part of this dog choice.

But I see people all the time who will give someone a dog, and so many dogs end up in shelters euthanize, like literally tens of thousands in different communities get euthanized every month.

So if it's like giving somebody a two year old child and saying Merry Christmas, they're yours for the next fifteen years because they're babies who never grow up.

So I don't give a damn about your exhale andrew.

You on your side.

All three of my kids, at the top of their list last year was a dog.

They conspired they want and so we bought them a dog with batteries.

Okay, all right, take it out it pease, and and guess what.

They did it for the first week.

And they didn't after.

And that's the point when they're like, this is gonna be your dog.

Like kids cannot take care of a dog, it's gonna be your You cannot take care of a dog for fifteen years and welcome the dog in your home and treat them with care and responsibility.

Do not get a dog.

If you are getting a dog, please adopt, don't shop, go to shelters, don't go to breeders.

That's all I gotta say.

What's the what's the what's the what's the name of the organization that does a sad dog?

Please give the endorsement.

Deal and give them money, every please, everything.

If y'all really want to find a good date for Tiffany on Saturday morning so she can pet the dogs that they got.

Out there, she don't even need to just on the walk.

Boys, Yeah, I got a.

Boys.

I say run, I say run.

I tell the people we walked down the street.

D run, She's coming.

They're always like, let's go are nowhere.

My call to action is, oh, I have a good one.

Call to action.

I really because I was stuck.

But I have it, you guys.

I was so stressed out trying to get everything together for Thanksgiving.

I have cracked the code.

I now know that I'm going to have all my prep done twenty four to thirty six hours ahead of time.

I had like staff that came to help the day of.

It's too late.

I'm going to have the Soux Chef people come a day and a half before I'm ready.

That's action.

Yes, get get some help, get some help and prepare your cousins and your Yeah.

No, my family's gonna come over.

We're gonna a sleepover before Christmas too.

We are gonna do that.

We're gonna have more prep time together.

But I'm just saying, save your sanity, turn the music on, get the drinks pouring, and have a good time prepping for your Christmas holiday.

If you're gonna do that or Kwanza, whatever you celebrate.

You're saying on higher people.

I'm for the people out there, But I'm not just saying I daggling holiday.

I just want to be clear.

I said in my family members, I said, so they are going to help my family member.

I said, they're wh have a sleepover, We're gonna prepare stuff too.

But I'm saying I did have some extra support my mom.

As you all know, I think now she's been in rehabit so just to make sure you don't let anything slip through the cracks.

I got a few people and to help us as well.

So he translation what I'm saying it let me start over, apparently, let me be very far.

I had support that I paid for Thanksgiving because my mom has been in rehab and we've been making sure that she had everything she needs.

So normally I can just lock in.

I couldn't just lock in, and I was exhausted.

In addition to that, we have family members who also prepared things and came over.

It was the day of the day of, It's too late.

My recommendation is for the people who pay, who volunteer for your family members to come help, have them come beforehand so that you can get prepared ahead of time and things can be ready on time the day of.

That is, get prepared beforehand.

Yes, yes, I think everybody got it.

But you just classes a chef.

We do that too, but you do what I.

Will anoint you chef and so chef and cousin so so.

But you also you can look at people.

You can look at people and tell who ain't supposed to be in the kitchen.

Yes, and also I mean I love animals.

I had a snake going up.

I love dogs, but but they will interrogate you, Tiffany, about the habits you have with your dogs.

Walk in the kitchen, what habit like is your is your.

Dog one of the ones in the pocket that'll be licking on your face.

And you feed the straight from you can't.

You can't come in the kitchen around the foods, the kitchen household you ever been in.

There's some black people that will feed their dogs straight out of pocket.

They may be, but there's a protocols.

I agree.

I'm telling you, first of all, protocol will be established.

It's you will, which is why they say yeah already.

No, No, I'm not saying they don't have they don't feed their pets, you know that kind of thing.

But there are black people who like the things that you are talking about.

There are black people who do that, who will like have their dogs cooking.

Them in the mouth.

Instagram of black people pets it is.

That's one of my favorite files.

But you see in the kitchen and some black people that drives me crazy, Like you see this.

I love cooking videos videos, but I just can't.

I can't the counter dogs that that is eat there on pull.

I'm aligned with Tiffany on this.

Yeah, this is you should.

Be double dipping in the pot.

Neither if you put your hand in the pot or put your or your spoon and you double dip.

Yeah, I don't do double different.

I mean if you have a tender and you dip it in, then that's the only thing I find to be acceptable in of like a chicken tender.

Like if you have a tender and you're dipping in the person tender you know.

About I thought you were talking about the little small.

Start a debate, and so you get to Andrews.

Yet I co signed Tiffany's that he.

Was about the dog.

Don't don't get a dog for Chris line.

With because as you you threw me under the bus, befo, I got you know, off the bus.

Impossible, wish you were an animal.

Get under the bus.

If I'm still on the bus.

Well anywhere to the back of the bus, please get out the back the best because.

Anniversary of best Boycotts.

Shout out to Rosa Parks and everybody that came before.

Welcome home, everybody, welcome, welcome, welcome home.

And because I have a next election.

I beg your pardon.

I think there will be no one or how many days left unto the next election.

Oh right, yeah, sorry, I mean I know that, but but I thought you said there will be another election.

But yes, there will, and it will be in three hundred and thirty four days.

Three hundred and thirty four days until the next national election, which will take place in your various states.

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