Welcome Depsode eighty two off You're Missing the Point podcast, where we discuss the weird, the wonderful, and the downright bizarre aspects of life as we have conversations with people from all over the world.

The United States has a history of division and separation.

The War of Independence, in which Americans set themselves apart from the crown, the American Civil War in which brother fought against brother, and in more recent times, in a post World War II, United States took its role as ultimate superpower, leader of the West, and defender of democracy worldwide.

But what happens when a nation that takes such a momentous role has no enemies?

How does a nation whose history is built upon identifying the bear guys and fighting tooth and now resolve this issue?

It looks for enemies within the United States now, more than ever, is a powder gig waiting to go off.

Once again.

We see a nation divided, but not just politically.

It has divided culturally and spiritually.

Recent events including the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the Michigan LDS church shooting are just a few examples of escalating tensions within the UA.

Yes, but it's not just the horrors of these events that disturbed me.

It's how Christianity is being pivoted into a position of defiance, not a spiritual defiance against the evils of these actions, but what appears to be a cultural Christian narrative for manipulation and weaponization against fellow man.

Today's guest is a great friend and beautiful soul.

She's here to discuss these topics and her concerns for the United States moving forward.

Let us welcome HEARTI love of the Unfiltered Rise podcast.

Welcome HERTI.

Hey, how's it going.

I always happy to be here.

Thank you.

Well, you should kill yourself lucky.

I haven't done an episode of my own show in a very long time, and here we are.

I think it's an important conversation that needs to happen, especially after the events of Charlie Kirk and recent events that have occurred.

A lot of people dived into it very quickly, and they didn't give that pause, take a breath and just look at things and how they're playing out.

And you know, we've been chatting in the back channels, and I think this will be a really important conversation.

I I, for one, was almost gonna let it just be until all the rest of the things happened this week, and then I was like, Okay, that's enough.

We gotta talk about it because it's weird.

It's weird stuff.

Yeah, yeah, there's no there's no limit to the oddities and the coincidences which have been pompy popping up since Charlie Kirk's assassination and his death.

But for me, the big standout from all of it is we've got people that are jumping down multiple rabbit holes and throwing out these really wild and objectively crazy conspiracies, which you know people tend to do now post JFK.

This is our generation's JFK.

The world saw it.

It was all out in the open for the world to see.

Let's just dismiss all the conspiracy theories for a moment, and let's just take the event for what it was.

Doesn't matter if you believe it was fake, it was staged, or if it was one hundred percent real.

The outcome is still the same.

That was a mass trauma event for anyone who saw it.

And I don't care if you're the strongest person, you're the person who's the strongest willed seeing that video subconsciually has a level of trauma associated with it, and the trauma that comes from that at an international level, especially when it's pitched towards a certain demographics a Christians, it does a major, major mi mind alteration to the public discourse.

And I think for a very long time now we've seen this what you would consider to be socialist left wing policy ruling the Western democracies for a very long time, and now we're in this pivot where the pendulum swinging back so hard that events like this can quite easily be weaponized into like a dost Vault Christianity approach in which Christians, ultimately, I think, will be weaponized and used by the enemy for their own means.

Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree with that.

I definitely see not just this Kirk situation, but a whole whole bunch of things.

They're almost poking the bear on purpose, Like, Okay, Erica is this grieving widow, but she's gonna wear the Freemason rings and she she's gonna do these weird things, and they're gonna monopolize on this and that, and it seems very weird, and I was gonna let that go.

Look I really was.

But when we see all of this happening and then this Mormon church situation and a shooter, and it just seems like they're going to put in place something that's been tried and true for the LDS people, and that is we are persecuted here us roar and I.

I texted you about that because I thought, oh my gosh, they are going to militarize these people.

This is crazy and they I mean, you've seen what I've seen a lot of it, so.

Well, there's nothing more American than Mormonism, right, It's like the homegrown vision Gosh quotes.

And I think it goes even further beyond the events of this year.

And in the past two years, they've been quite large American school shootings, which aren't outside the norm unfortunately within the American experience, but they've been very left leaning.

There've been people who identify from the alphabet community, people who are transgender, and that's been really pumped and weaponized and put into the news out of nowhere.

Out of nowhere, this demographic just started shooting up kids in schools.

Seems very strange to me.

Well, and not only that, but we have this timeframe and I almost wonder, And we talked about this, like is this natural?

Was this planned?

I don't know, but we have to look at the next two weeks, right, like you said, just severe trauma.

My husband's enormy sort of like he listens to all the shows, but he's a normal person with he doesn't look at that shooting and say, I don't know about that, like I'm looking at it with very different eyes.

I'm looking at it with nurses looking at it with like I don't know if that would do that or bleed this way.

I'm very skeptical, And not that I didn't have those feelings, but he was wrecked.

I will tell you that wrecked him on a level where for probably forty eight hours he was super traumatized.

Not like crying, but he just he was just like, ugh, that was bad, and I'm like right, and instead of trying to pull it apart, You're right, it completely affected him.

Now, put that with people that don't know anything about any of it, and put that with people that have quite possibly been programmed for this for a very long time.

Well, even the subtle programming that we see within just cultural exchange around the world.

We know America is an exporter of culture to the West.

Generally, what happens in America gets exported a few months to a year later.

It just seems to be the ebb and flow of things.

What I saw out of this whole event was it was almost like an activation point for cultural Christians.

People who hadn't been practicing, were maybe born Presbyterian, born, Protestant born Anglican, nonpracticing Christians of any denomination.

Really they suddenly activated over this one event.

Because it was a martyr event.

We had this person who at a time during the cultural war was putting himself out there having real conversations with people, being honest, being sincere, being respectful in a face of a cultural war which wanted to spit on him and scream a senities.

He seemed like a moral just person.

When you see a moral just person who's a father, a husband die in such events, it turns the most quiet, silent person into a wag flaving or flag waving militant.

And I'm seeing that especially from the boomer generation, my parents, who are generally pretty quiet on all this type of stuff.

As soon as we saw that pendulum swing come around and we saw this anti woke movement back to conservative values.

It's like they activated, and then with this event, it's like anyone who had the smallest shred of Christian cultural identity activated.

And I think that's the concern because biblically, when we're thinking about this, cultural Christians are going to come after the biblical Christians one day.

I think that's an inevitable fact.

And the Great Revival, as it's trying to be kind of pushed as at the moment, I think is the Great falling away.

I definitely was concerned when I started seeing video of what he was talking about right before he got hur and I like saying that instead of the other word, because we don't want to get in trouble.

But he said this, First of all, I love Mormons.

I've said that forever.

I love how Mormons are so polite and they send missionaries all around the world.

They are half of my team.

Let's see, my team is Mormon.

Tarrell's a Mormon, Andrew's a Mormon, and so all of this is kind of a weird for me.

When he's praising Mormonism, he's in Utah, he very rarely ever wore a white shirt.

He called to somebody out in the crowd in a white shirt.

And then past this discussion of the love, he did follow it up with there's no biblical research to support Mormonism because somebody was challenging him.

Now I see this cultural shift, like he was pretty rough on people.

He was like saying, you need to get your mojo back, Mormons.

That's enough of this other weird stuff, like basically speaking to the gates.

He was talking about this this day, and you know, I felt like it was gonna be a setup.

I assumed it would be what it's being blamed to be.

Okay, when they caught the person.

And also, you know, his parents are now speaking out saying there's just no way, and I get it, being a parent, you would want to say that.

But I also see, you know, immediately he gets put on you know, SI risk, and he's isolated.

We don't know what's going on.

Like all of this stuff does just seem a lot.

And then the prophet dies, and this prophet we had as we Mormons in this state, he was he was a little more like leaning toward maybe letting all the people be part of the church.

Okay, the new one is not.

In fact, he has had quite the scandal, old scandals where he was involved in electroshock therapy to the gay youth in his past.

So he's also against women too.

He loves you know, no feminism, none of that.

So this shift comes at the same time.

This is why I mentioned this.

We're we're seeing We're going to see it here in Utah.

Whether I'm a Mormon anymore or not, they run this state.

Yeah, I dare say they run a lot of other things.

But yeah, it's almost I know what you mean because I've seen quite a few posts recently from Mormon is Mormon accounts, particular on Instagram, proclaiming that the Mormon Church doesn't see homosexuality is a bad thing.

It's a much more lenient approach than what you would see within say, modern day Christian churches with their outreach programs.

But for this new leader to come in and this new militant approach to potentially take over, it's almost like it's reshuffling what Charlie Kirk was kind of alluding to, that you need to get your mojo back, get back to your militant roots, get back to what you wanted, which just struck me is extremely odd for Charlie Kirk because I know he was an evangelical Christian, which is heavenly Zionistance roots, which connects with Mormonism in a lot of ways.

But it seems strange that a Christian man would be promoting the cultural and moral framework of a church that is not biblically sound to Christianity.

Well, immediately when I saw that he said half his team was Mormon, I was like, okay, what form of the three letters are you?

Because I'm sorry, that is just what it is.

I mean, I do enough research to know and see all of this, and you know we're going to get into Erica as well.

But all of this stuff is surreal.

Normal people like, Okay, if you're out and you have some accident and some person, we don't dig up the craziest family stuff on you.

Okay, that's not the case here.

The case here is bananas.

And this is why I dare say we'll find a lot of Mormon roots at the end of this.

And the church has always stood by, you know, anti gay.

They were very anti gay.

Intel Russell, I'm Nelson.

Russell, I'm Nelson was a little bit less and many people thought he might be the lead into having gay people silled in the temple, which would have caused a huge deal.

I mean, it just would have set the whole church on fire.

I don't think he would have done it, but people always kind of contemplated maybe.

And when we look at that and this militant coming in let alone the day he died.

The day he died was nine twenty seven twenty twenty five, which is nine nine nine, which you flip it and it's six sixty six.

Interestingly enough, sixt' sixty six was his fraternity number as well.

Shout out LDS abuse that's not my information.

And also his wife, the first wife he had, happened to die on three to two two.

And yes, despite everybody saying he wasn't in school in bones because they can't find a photo of him, even though he went to school when he was sixteen to college, I dare say that's silly, because he was an Owl and Key, which is the next one up, which is the senior fraternity of the Owl.

The Alan Key is the one who picks the skull and bones at the University of Utah.

So we know he's definitely been involved or was advanced past it.

Maybe he was advanced past it.

I don't know, but he's definitely involved in his in his next year.

So we've got all this weird stuff going on with the prophets, and then we've got the Chicago Hope And I told you the new president of the church went to the University of Chicago, and funny enough, there they don't have Alan Key, but they like Owl's too.

And let me just tell you, I've been doing a little bit of research on this, you know I did.

And they have their own well had their own little secret society and it's Owl and Snake and yes it was alive.

And well when that particular person, Dalan E.

Chokes was going there, can I prove that he was in it?

No, they're smart.

They don't put their stuff out there, nobody can.

They shut it down after a nineteen sixty seven.

So all this weird stuff is going on, and all these tastes to Chicago, and we're going to have another one when we get to Erica.

So this kind of encapsulates my concerns.

I'm not saying this is the case by any means.

I'm just saying that this is an outline of possibility we have to keep in our minds when people come to the idea of Christian nationalism.

I think it's a fantastic thing in which the church's morals and framework help guide and dictate how a nation should run itself, which on paper sounds amazing.

But as adults, we know when the state takes control in any kind of area, it influences whatever it takes over.

So it's going to be the opposite.

It's going to be the state dictating what biblical truth is.

That's an issue.

When it comes to the likes of the prophet or say a pope.

We've got a huge him as ahead of a church that's infallible to the members.

They can change direction of the teachings, they can rewrite whatever the heck they want, and they have to be believed because of their position.

They do and they do, And this is my concern.

Now I'm not besmirching Americans, but the American culture from an outside point of view is you guys have always been biting someone.

You've been at war for longer than you have been in asination.

And the Mormons are double, triple, quadruple.

At Yeah, and you've got this built in intrinsic thought that there's always an enemy out to get you, and subconsciously that's built into your culture.

Half the reason you have the first and second of Amendment so you can call people out and you can defend yourself.

I get it, absolutely makes sense.

But when those things are weaponized and manipulated by say a state who then dictates what the word is, you fall into dangerous times.

And I'm just going to put this out there.

A lot of people are concerned about, say the fifth column of Chinese people living in Western countries.

They could be activated at any moment and cause internal attacks, or a fifth column of Islamic terrorists that exists within Western countries.

No one goes to the idea of, say, within the American context, Mormons make up one point two percent of the population.

They have a history of being distinctly separate from the American experience, worse so than what American revolutionary ideas are.

Actually they have this idea of being armed, having a militia, having an army.

When you take that one to two percent, that's roughly four million people.

If they were told to by a church elder could be they.

Would do it.

They would do.

They will do it.

And not only that, but to your point, I want to.

I was going to tell you when you said that that they are patriotic now, but you have to understand something they aren't.

They swore an oath called the Order of the Black Sticks, and they swore an oath against his country because Joseph Smith was killed when he tried to run for president, and the people that got those weird canes that I showed you full of human hair and I can yank them up again.

They sworn oath and gave these canes to actually not just protect Mormons, uh uh, retribution.

They have always said that in the end days they will take over the government, and they actually have a temple in Washington, d c.

Where there is a replica presidential office there.

They are more than willing and ready.

It's frightening.

Well, half the idea of the Mormons going out west was to avoid Union retribution and attack and to start a new zion.

There's been no secrets about Mormons wanting to make their own nation and they want to rebuild a Jerusalem in the new world.

That's pretty much being said the whole time.

Well, I mean they believe they're you know, speaking of Zionism.

Yeah, they believe they're they're part of this weird line.

I mean, they literally think they're from the line of David.

And I'm not kidding and I'm not okay.

This is like the divine right to rule.

There is a whole genealogy system straight off of what all of them FamilySearch dot org is based off of.

And I'm telling you it says on there.

Clear up, they've traced back that they are related and in the line of David.

It's not I think I am or By because my heart No, no, no, no, no, the Vidic bloodlines.

No.

Well, it's a perfect situation to put yourself into.

Be the chosen air quotes, and when you're the chosen and you're persecuted, you're morally, ethically and spiritually justified to do whatever you need to.

Right, they've put themselves in a nice little box to which they can any potential future misdoings or misgivings can be justified by their own moral compass.

And how many friends do they have?

This is the question, you know, when we look at people that they're associating with, Erica Kirk being one of them.

What about her little slush fund money, the twenty three million she got at twenty five years old from where pro Israel people.

Okay, so what is happening with that?

Why is this Jesuit schooled girl who isn't just from one country that they keep mentioning also Sweden.

Sweden's ties are deep with the Mormons.

The Mormons are aligned with the New World Order.

They want it, they want it.

So when you're talking about all these slush funds and you see the enzyme peak scandal and you see missing money, and then you see people popping up with money, They've been doing this since the time that you just talked about.

Okay, they take off and go start the state of Deseret because they want to keep their wives.

But then what happens.

Brigham Young literally contacts the people that he says he's running away from and helps them build a railroad for free on the slave labor of these saints, the saints here, the Mormons, because they never got paid.

People talk about slavery.

That was willing slavery, but it was slavery nonetheless, And so you know, the church got rich off this, and he was contacting people.

I mean immediately he's in bed with all of the government.

And we see this throughout existence with the Mormons.

How worried.

Should we be damn worried?

There's so many three letter agencies associated with these people.

That they have the money, they have the guns, they have the power, they have the connections, Like we should be we should be concerned.

Yeah, And I wanted to waite a very long time with this Charlie Kirk situation and his wife and the very odd odd gus connections that she has.

Some of the things just stand out for me, which I'll play devil's advocate.

Maybe it's just what the elites have done for thousands of years.

They stay into connected, they look for power, and they marry into power.

Maybe this is just the modern approach.

But the fact that her father was responsible for Raithie on Israel branch so developing the ironed own weapons funding that supplying that how he was responsible for helping construction of Trump towers connected to Trump well before Trump was even on the political spectrum.

That Erica herself was approached to be a model, She wasn't doing beauty pageants and then going through things as a young girl.

She's got a letter in the mail, because you know, I've totally just got a letter in the mail to be a male model.

Totally.

She got this letter in the mail, became Trump's new girl.

Within a very short period of time.

She was a multimillionaire in her own right, based off a lot of the work from her father.

But she was leading missions in Eastern Bloc nations and building churches and this community outreach, which sounds fantastic as a Christian to you.

Look at the nation that she was in, which was I believe was Romania, and the church was responsible for potential child trafficing or missing children.

And then she up and disappeared from the country.

And how did Charlie Kirk meet this woman?

They met at a pilgrimage in Israel when they both went to touch the Wall, and it's quoted they've both been quoted as saying when they went on their date, it wasn't a date, it was a business deal.

And midway through that meeting, she turned and looked at him and said, I'm not going to be your business partner, I'm going to be your wife.

This just has all the trappings of a modern day arranged marriage.

Yes, yeahsolidating power for future events.

I mean she had the opportunity, that's for sure.

Let alone her grandpa was now I did not understand this Valhalla comment until we get into Grandpa.

Okay, and Grandpa is very interesting.

He's a Carl Kenneth PHRONZBI Grand Chief from nineteen seventy seven to seventy nine in the Order of the Vikings, the Independent Order of the Vikings in Chicago.

Now what did I just tell you about Chicago and Dallan Hjokes and the new Pope and even his wife.

Even his wife is from Chicago.

She's born in Chicago, but somehow she's also Swedish if you go back to her parents.

I'm like, wait a minute, this is kind of weird.

I mean, I get it, people like group together.

Maybe that okay, and then we've got all of these ties to people that's not Christian.

I looked it up and this this little group.

I don't know if you know about this little group, but they say, oh no, no, we're just supporting people.

You know, we're supporting them while they live here.

But he was knighted by the King of England, the third cousin of Queen Elizabeth.

I'm sorry, what what did you say?

Why were you united by Carl Gustav, King of Sweden XB?

I like, what is happening.

What why did you get that far?

Captain Carl, that's right, captain.

So he's a captain in the Army Corps of Engineers.

Oh okay, that's very interesting.

I mean, he already had a silver and bronze star, so why not add it to it?

Right?

Like, let's be real.

I mean, he's in all these different societies and guess what, he's vice president of manufacturing for American Banknote Company.

Okay, so he's in all the honors clubs and the captain of the ROTC and the military police and all these awards.

He sounds just like a Mormon prophet.

And guess how much that It just freaks me out.

But I'll tell you this, Like I said, he's into the Viking thing.

And these Viking people actually help them.

They help these people that come over.

And guess what they provide to their group.

So it says they celebrate Swedish traditions and cultures and Scandinavian language.

So maybe they legitimately met this way him and his wife.

That's fine, okay.

Lodges sponsor bowling.

Lodge lodges sponsor bowling and golfing and charitable events including when you know, what blood drives, and visiting the sick and sponsoring scholarships.

But also they do this really nice thing.

And I haven't got a chance to go down this road, but boy, you better believe I'm coming for you.

So you people out there that are hearing this, this group also provides life insurance and financial products to its members.

What the hell did you just say you're providing life insurance to your members.

H U.

I wonder if you're getting a cut of that life insurance when they all croak.

Yeah, this Chicago thing's quite interesting because if you look at the Native American name for Chicago, which is Chicagua, and Chicago's like the French bastardized version of it so they could try and name the area, it means wild onion.

And the more you look into Chicago with all this stuff going on, it's like peeling back the layers of an onion, because this thing aims to go deeper and deeper.

As you're talking to me, well.

In Chicago, we know is infamous for what everybody knows.

It's a mob.

Everybody knows that much.

But as I've shown time and time again, it's also the Mormon mafia and I'm telling you, guys, this is so concerning.

But when he said the Valhalla thing, knowing that her grandpa was in the Independent Order of Vikings Vikings Valhalla, that's really weird, you know.

And also they use like symbolism.

They're not Christian at all.

They use rituals and symbolism for purposes that are not part of esoteric tradition but esoteric quality.

Okay, tell me you're doing esoterics without telling me you're doing esoterics whatever, and all of it just seems a little bit much.

I mean, they've even got their own ritual transcripts, so I mean they're writing things down.

You know.

I just think there's a lot going on here.

But guess what, to your point, the IOV, which is their little acronym initiation ceremonies are exactly like the Oddfellows are the Masons, and they're ceremonial rather than esoteric.

So don't you worry, fine, don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it.

But also I wanted to mention one more thing about the name Phronsby And let me tell you, guys, trying to find the information on this family was interesting, to say the least, actually when I got so far, it started just saying private.

I do a lot of genealogy research that doesn't happen, So I mean, I have more information about a lot of more important people than that, and for some reason it's private.

But their last name actually comes from the meaning of freeman, Frenchman or freeman.

Well, the funny thing is is if you're in these esoteric things and you are actually part of the club, okay, and you are really up there like like Alfalfa club level, like Mitt Romney level, Okay, the one thing they want you to be so that you can be better than everyone else is a freeman.

So you don't get your paycheck from anyone.

You just are rich.

And that's her last name.

I'm funny.

It within her ancestry as well on her grandmother saw as she's seeing in Lebanese and Lebanon geographically and Biblicleps is an important place because the pine trays of Lebanon, which is on the national flag, very important source of timber we used in the construction of the temple.

So her ancestors theoretically could have been the people that cut down and quarry a timberd sorry the wood for that construction.

Yeah, it makes one wonder, let alone that her mom's you know, part of this E three tech group.

For heaven's sake, I mean, when we get into that, that's a whole mess.

But this is not normal.

Like if any of us, I dare say, anybody that you know or me or any of my family had some accident and we're just going to say in the hospital because I'm not putting the other part on us.

But look, it wouldn't be this.

Come on, this is nuts, like what And then she wears a Malteese cross and a Freemason ring to the thing that's perfect, Like, I mean, I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt because I felt really bad, Like I felt terrible, and I wanted just to pray and if the rest of it hadn't happened, be able to let it go.

But it's just too much.

It's too much what really threw me.

And again, this is a Western who's not Americans.

It might just be the American pomp and ceremony of things, Like the British tend to do things very structured, very routine.

Americans just go all out, have fighter jets fly over American football games.

Have the band, have the marches, all the patriotic stuff going on, to have a ceremonyum a memorial for this guy that was talivised nationally and internationally.

It looked like a rock concert in a lot of ways.

The amount of people that were there, the people that showed up and spoke, and the way that it kind of hitched the public discourse is that whether this guy did it or not, by the court of public opinion, this guy is already guilty by the one very statement that she said, I forgive him.

Yeah, you know, the kid, I mean, he's a kid.

The rifle thing, come on, you mentioned JFK and I just seen that and I thought, oh my gosh, like, really are we doing the rifle again?

They just needed to charge the sigil, And I don't think fully people always understand this.

And this is why I didn't talk about it for a bit, because that first three days, even upwards of a week, I didn't want to talk about it because the charge isn't coming from my house, not my solidarity.

Thank you so much.

I prayed and I let it go and tried not to think about it because they knew that nine to eleven was getting old.

They knew that that was wearing off.

They knew that this would hit so hard on the release of those CIA papers being done, they're done.

They're rapped, like even though they weren't wrapped, because they left a lot out and there's still a lot of questions in their minds.

It's a wrap So what did they do?

They made a new one, that's all they did, and.

That the rifle elf brings up multiple questions and putting out there.

I'm not a ballistics expert, but I do have experience with firearms, and these are the things that come across from me as a bit odd.

It was a thirty oh six, or as Americans called a thirty odd six, so hunt's generic hunting rifle.

People use these for alk, bear, deer, all number of big game.

The problem with this firearm is that it was supposedly his grandfather's firearm, so it's a traditional firearm that's hand down through the family.

It's not one of these brand new magpoles which you can dissemble and pull apart and hide in a bag.

And even if it did have those components in it, the time it would take to disassemble a rifle of that size.

He wouldn't be able to hide it in the backpack that he was seeing in the CCTV footage.

Leaving with he wouldn't be able to hide a barrel down his leg without having a cock straight leg the whole time, his movements don't fit with the narrative that he had disassembled this rifle, hid it on his person, and was able to move, run across roof types, jump down scale buildings.

All this type stuff doesn't make sense.

Then you look into the ballistics of it.

And again not a ballistics expert, but the forceome power of a thirty h six round should not have in theory been stopped by his spine.

Sure, the human body is capable of amazing feats.

The human hit bone is stronger than concrete.

We're strong, powerful beings at times.

But when you speak to a hunter, anyone that's hunted big game, deer, elk red deer, what have you, they'll tell you that thirty oh six rounds, depending on the round type of course, absolutely has the ability to shatter bone.

It will go straight through it.

So for me, that's the thing that I question until a ballistics expert looks at the type around it was were how much grain was in it?

What terminal velocity A.

We're never going to get that.

We're going to get that, but we can't question We're not allowed to question that.

Yeah, they didn't even do a down uptartsy.

I mean, come on, give us.

They didn't even give us the benefit of the doubt to say it was a magic bullets.

Well, that's because what happened, it's.

Not a magical bullet.

This, Tom Hoddy, what I'm hearing from the Christian Nationalist is is this was God's intervention bullet.

It was a miracle.

It was a miracle that his spine stopped the bullet and he didn't have an exit wound.

But the guy died steal.

So that's not the best miracle I've ever seen.

And a stretch to try and.

Say that the next day, I think the day after, I think you sent me the photo of him in heaven with Joseph Smith, and I just wanted to vomit.

I mean, I was just like, this is crazy.

And you know, people here, you have to understand how Americans are feeling right now.

I think that in other countries they're cynical.

Maybe I should have been born somewhere else.

Maybe it's because I have too much British in me.

I don't know, but I'm kind of a really cynical person.

But the other people that live here, when Trump got in, they were counting on him.

They were counting on him to do the thing that he hasn't done.

They were counting on him to decrease just the simple things like housing and food prices, and they're skyrocketing.

They're twenty two percent higher than they've ever been.

When we're looking at this and people that are already you know, Americans get laughed at or whatever because they eat fast food.

That's because they don't have time to do anything else because they are working forever.

They are working constantly.

And I really feel like all of this depression like this heavy, like oh, he didn't do it, and the list is it out and this and that and maybe he's even on it, and I just think that.

I mean, there's a song and it's an old rap song.

Don't push me because I'm close to the edge.

I'm like, oh Lord, please don't let it happen.

I mean, I'm praying because it's not good.

It's not good.

No, I don't know, we're not the most you know, We're there's other countries that have it far worse.

But Americans have been spoiled for a long time.

They are not used to having their kids live in their basement until they're thirty five.

Okay, they're not used to this.

And I mean, I've always just taken my hits because that's kind of how I grew up.

But a lot of people didn't.

So, Yes, America came out of World War II in this ripe prime position that mainland America was never attacked, there was nothing to rebuild, and they are in a position where they could rebuild the world and benefit from that immensely via their own economy.

So Americans from what the late nineteen forties onwards until like maybe the late sixties economic powerhouse and boom, everyone was living essentially a golden age.

People had what they wanted at their disposal.

And even moving up to more recent times, you know, we've had all the things it can distract us as Westerns.

We've got to Netflix, we've got a car that has a hater in it, We're able to drive to work.

We've got all these things that keep us nice, placid and happy.

But as economies start to falter and fail and people start to do it tough, it's harder for these last few generations who haven't had to do it tough at all.

Well, and if we see as a country, if they lose their pensions or their four to oh one k's or their whatever, why they watch Donald Trump build a new ballroom or whatever the shit he's building them right now, they will go insane.

And I will promise you guys that like that is something in America, like you don't mess with.

Their whole life is based on this dream that at fifty five, you're gonna be able to have to go to somewhere to do something right.

Okay, And my grandpa has sold this dream.

And I'd never been so hurt that he stayed until he was sixty and it's sixty two.

He was terminal and he just looked at me and went, But I just barely retired.

Yeah, they keep pushing it out on us.

They want us to work as essentially debt slaves for the state and tax farm animals in Australia for my age, but year I'm born, the retirement age I have to get to is like seventy seven.

That's not a life working your entire life to get by and then expecting a few years of playing bridge or shuffle board.

That's not what people want it.

That's not what people want out of life.

And unfortunately, I think Trump has the answer to that to stop people from getting angry.

Have you seen his whole new initiative with like a fed coin, an American digital coin.

His idea is this whole tariff business that'll be funded into this big slash fund he buy it, buy it in which in which he's going to allocate like two thousand dollars a month to every household as a did coin to keep them quiet.

Meanwhile, it's not two thousands.

Meanwhile, that too, if that does go ahead, that two thousand dollars because of inflation is only worth maybe five hundred wind costs of inflation go through and.

Taxes and taxes don't forget, Yeah, they take it out of everything.

It's like, oh, look at these new tax cuts or whatever.

And then you're watching them literally build onto the White House and redecorate, like are you insane?

Like what is wrong with you?

Mister?

I started the fair?

Like what the hell is wrong with you?

Like?

Stop it?

There is so much other stuff here to fix than that, but that's what they want to do because people will look at it.

Why do they have that playbook because Jackie did it and it worked for her.

Yeah.

See, the American infrastructure is terribly outdated and the point of collapse, Like you're going to start saying bridges collapse very soon across most of the country.

It's a nightmare.

Yeah.

I don't know if this is the same in the US, but Australia has traditionally always been a very big sporting nation.

Like on the international stage, we have some of the best athletes in the world for our population si as compared to the rest of the world.

We're always known as the sunburnt country.

You go out, you play cricket, footy, whatever.

We're a sporting country.

At the moment, the bread and circuses really aren't doing the trick.

Where in the past you'd watch your Friday night Saturday night football and you wouldn't care.

You go have a few beers, you watch your AFL, you train football league and people would just be numb to it all.

Well, this stuff really isn't having the impact they had in the past.

The cost of living crisis, housing crisis, multi generational families having to do it out of necessity because their kids can't afford a home.

That's really starting to hammer at the door and people aren't being distracted with the bread and circuses of the past.

And I think the biggest bread and circus for Americans has been patriotism, their greatest strength in their greatest weakness at the same time, yeah, not Culter.

Well, it hasn't been happening since the whole take a knee crap, you know a lot of the In fact, my husband's a prime example of this.

He used to love to watch football games and now we don't because he's like, just turn it off.

Like I don't know, the whole take anything, No disrespect to anyone, but it just didn't belong there.

It just didn't belong there.

It's not that it was wrong, just didn't belong there, and so it really did disillusion people.

And I think you're right, Like I can't count.

I never turn on the TV when my husband is not home ever, And when we do watch TV, we watch the silliest things like the Alaska Wild Show, because we just can't watch anything that's fake anymore.

It's too stupid.

And that probably is fake too, But like at least it looks real, I guess, but I don't even turn it on.

That's why I'm a podcaster.

Which it kind of brings us to the point where at now though, that the bread and circuses aren't working.

The entertainment industrial complex has been so saturated with politics and gender and all the things the average person just doesn't want to look at has been force fed down their throat for so long people tuning out to it.

People aren't even watching the regular nightly news anymore.

People are coming to podcasts, to content creators for information.

So when the bread and circuses aren't working Friday night football's not working, what do they do?

Not even last Vegas.

I'll tell you.

We went to Las Vegas recently and we're out at night and it was dead.

And I thought this is so weird because I grew up well my younger years, like in my twenties near there, and if you went to Vegas at night, it didn't matter if you were just walking down the street there was a party happening, like New Orleans, Like come on, it was a party.

There was no party.

It was like ten thirty.

I was checking my watch.

I was like, where's all the people?

And I'm scared.

I'm alone, a loan alone.

But like it was, you know, dark and everybody that goes to clubs anymore or things like that, it's changed to all table service and six hundred dollars a bottle.

Well, if you can't afford that, you're not going there either.

So yeah, nothing, nothing is the same anymore.

So the bread and circus isn't working anymore.

So it brings us to the carrot and the stick analogy.

The carrot has lost its luster.

People don't want the carrot anymore.

It's old, it's tired, it's not working for us.

Or what does the person behind the stagecoach use?

They use the stick?

And what's the stick in this analogy?

I think that's the trauma, fear based mind control that's going on.

They throw these big events at us.

The events may be real, they may be siled.

I don't care.

The outcome is still the same.

The fear, the trauma that it puts on the population brings them back into line.

And we see that now post Charlie Kirk posts the LDS Church attack.

People united by the fear and the trauma that it causes.

But it put them into a filter of rage, and they don't realize it's that that's the most dangerous thing.

They don't realize that they're justifying their own rage and hatred.

And well, we will become rage and hatred.

It will manifest that way because there's a new enemy, and the new enemy is whoever the government decides to point the finger at.

Well.

And also I haven't told you this because I knew we were going to talk.

Also ex Mormons, because I came onto my Twitter right after we talked last night and there were people literally coming for me saying that I was going to go to hell and hope you're happy with yourself and people like you are the reason this happens and all this weird stuff because I don't go on there very often, and I'm like, whoa, Okay, that's a little scary, Like my husband's already forbid me, Like I'll never be able to do a speaking event.

I would love to do a speaking event.

I like to meet real people.

I will never do that.

After watching this.

Ever, even now I'm looking at the events of the LDS church attack, the gentleman responsible for it does not fit the bill that the media and news corporation has been spinning for the last three years, and Trump is pushing this narrative as well.

It's always left wing, extreme alt left wing, dangerous people, the radical left, as he likes to call them.

This guy is an American veteran pro trump Man, the most patriotic guy he could probably ever see, and he took it upon himself for this attack against the church, which is horrific.

Any loss of life is terrible.

Any person directing hatred towards any church of any denomination is horrific.

But it just doesn't fit what's been happening recently.

And that confuses me.

It confuses me to no end that it's a complete flip on what the status quo has been for these attacks across a Mayria for the blast three years.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And I mean, you know, it's concerning to me that the guy that they originally thought shot Charlie has a weird story.

I don't know if you've seen that.

And and then this guy is patriotic, and there's been talk around the watering Hole that maybe they had something on him or maybe he was activated.

And I'm just saying this.

Look, the reason why Utah is so easy to get people to join three letter agencies is because half of the conditioning is done already.

We've been conditioned since we were born.

And I'm telling you, as a person that come out of that, I still catch myself even saying Mormon.

I said it at the beginning of this show, like it is something that people don't understand unless you've been in it and come out of it.

But it's frightening for me, not for me personally, but to know that the people that are in in and the level of complete bizarreness that I was when I was completely in, I wouldn't have even questioned if they had said to do something, That's what I would have done, because they're an End Times church and they are constantly since I was born saying someday somebody is going to come knock on your door and they're going to put a knife to your throat and you're going to have to you know, the Church, You'll have to save you or you might die, you know, trying to say you believe in Jesus and they're going to come for the Christians.

This is all I ever heard.

They'll deny that they did this, but this is a vivid memory for me and my husband both.

It terrified us both as children, and they are by nature.

I mean, there's something called the Order of Enoch that was made to be a communistic order.

That's why they align with the New World Order.

Because Joseph Smith made it that way.

That's why the polygamy people still live that way.

And they give everything over, including their paychecks, their land, their everything, and then you're given like a little stipend and they get to do the rest with what they want.

And so there's some interesting talks where I was torturing myself after the prophet died listening to Dell and h Oaks and different things where they were talking about you never know who might already be in the order, the Order of Consecration, and I was like, oh my gosh, this is scary because that talk was from nineteen eighty seven.

I'm going to just read a news article from Newsweek, and this is from May of twenty twenty one.

I think it's quite applicable to today because you mentioned earlier on the distinct separation the Mormon Church in its founding history has from the United States, and how they want payback essentially, and they want to get into the halls of power to influence and take control.

Well, this is publicly announced from Newsweek.

It's been all the ticks and checks and balances have been ticked on this.

It's a legit thing inside the military, secret undercover army.

The largest undercover force in the world has ever known is the one created by the Pentagon over the past decade.

Some sixty thousand people now belong to this secret army, many working under mass identities in low profile, all part of a broad program called Signature Reduction.

The force, more than ten times the size of the clandestine elements of the AAA, carries out domestic foreign assignments, both in military uniforms and under civilian cover in real life and online, sometimes hiding in private businesses and consultants' agencies, some of them household named companies.

Now, if the American military is doing that, extrapolate that across something like a church.

A church, they are doing it.

Now, I have a whole episode on the tunnels underneath Salt Lake City.

They're not hiding that they can drive golf carts and cars through those.

They have a complete underground network, and that there's all kinds of three letter agencies, let alone an Air Force base near me.

There's the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, and Air Force Base and the IRS within twenty miles of me twenty to thirty.

And so when we look at that and we know what we know about all of the grid system that Salt Lake City and Ogden are built on, they're built on grids.

They're not dumb like these all connect.

I've done full episodes on how they connect.

These people are not only connected, they're actually connected.

And when we look at the people like Jared Birchall and Elon Musk, where did Jared Birch, all the Mormon who does all of the finances for Elon Musk meet at the boring company?

What is the boring company?

They drill holes?

So yeah, they're currently doing drilling underneath Las Vegas.

They say these tunnels are for the cars to have to avoid the traffic on the strip.

I don't think so.

They only fit Tesla's.

They're making a complete underground network and they've already had half of it established for a really long time, which kind of brings me just read it and go.

It brings me to this point that I think this Christian nationalist approach which is kind of being brought in and why Mormons have been brought into the limelight all of a sudden is that for a very long time, I've seen Mormonism as New Age Gnostics.

They've picked up the mantle from the gnostics of the ancient past that were put down by the Church in its time, supposedly destroyed forever.

Really they just went into hiding and influenced the church and took over.

But we've got the New Age Gnostics, and I think that New Age Gnosticism is going to be the driving force behind the cultural outlook and framework they want for a Christian nationalism.

If you have influential people at the seats of power in government, in agencies and corporations potentially are Mormon, where you're going to get those influences come through.

And people in conspiracy circles that throw around it's not the Mormons, it's the Jesuits, it's the Freemasons, it's Theions.

Well, they're all the same people, they're all the same groups.

Yeah, Exactly.

The point is is people don't understand their history right because they don't care.

So for those people that are out there speaking about that, you have to understand something With David M.

Kennedy and the Mormon mafia and the Vatican.

Look, the banker's the same, bro, Like the Rothschild banking system was part of what helped the Mormon Church in the beginning, and people don't get that.

And then we have the railroad and we have you know, the Mormons coming in as Union Pacific fails and they go, mm, that's all right, bro, you don't have to pay us, and back then you did, so just give us the materials and we're going to finish the rest of the railroad.

But like you, you know, you owe us one and I bet they did.

I bet they did.

But uh yeah, it's like that the Boston Red Sox aren't the New York Mets.

Well, yes, that's true.

They're different teams, but they're both playing the baseball lague.

So it's just different teams essentially that work well with each other because they're all baseball players after all.

Well, and they're all lending each other money.

I mean, why do they think in the first place that the Vatican actually said yes the temple being built down the street in twenty nineteen, quietly, that was so quiet.

That's not like Mormons.

They're the jetflyers man, they would they would throw the fireworks and do like a two year open house, like they're gonna do and you can come and see for two years before we dedicate it and all this stuff.

But they did do that.

They were quiet, and why were they quiet because of the loans that went with that, and it solidified a relationship.

And now we're seeing the fruits of that relationship a little too close for me instead of an apple and an orange.

I'm a little worried because we got Chicago University and Chicago Pope.

Okay, Chicago University, oaks Chicago Pope.

Did they know each other?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Scary And that's the situation unfold that the Vatican, the later of the Catholic Church, will will at the largest Christian gnomeni in the world historically, is very dogmatic in their beliefs, suddenly just allow what would be considered by the majority of their parishioners a heretical church to open up down the road.

It does not because they got suit because they got sued for all the kiddy stuff.

So then the church was like, yo, gus, what we got.

We got some money?

You want some money?

We got money.

Is this another aspect though, Like I hear a lot of the Ortho Bros.

And the Chad Catholic guys, the young guys which are coming back to Christianity, this revival they're calling it.

It's almost as if young Western men have been starved of an identity and don't know where they fit within the world.

And when they're offered this very traditional air quotes approach to Christianity, go back to your roots, especially in the face of all the work stuff that's been going on, they want it.

They grab it with both hands and they cling to it.

And they're so dog national, white national.

It becomes very ethnocentric.

They become so dogmatic and fixated on calling each other heretical and calling each other apostates and all manner of slurs under the sun.

But they're not actually holding their church latest to account for their actions and their choices.

Because they're focusing well, okay, let me give you an example.

During World War Two, the Mormon Church became involved in the Rotary Club and the John Birch Society heavy in the John Bircher's Heavy And when I say this, I say this because when you take away somebody and I don't care who you do it to.

You can oppress the white, you can oppress the black, you can oppress the brown, you can oppress whoever you want.

But eventually that oppression comes back at you.

And we've had this happen for how many years now where you can't be a white you know, you cannot be a white Christian man in America and be okay, that's it's almost And then and now all the kids are gay.

And I'm not saying people aren't gay.

I'm just saying everyone isn't gay.

It's a lot, okay.

So when I'm seeing this constantly, parents are also fuming pissed because they're like homeschooling over this because they're like, no, not everyone, not nine out of ten kids are gay.

Come on, like, that's not normal.

And so people are starting to panic.

So you're right, what is the one thing that they're going to get together for.

I don't know.

How about Robert E.

Lee's birthday once a year at the Alfalfa Club.

Why are black people going to that?

By the way, I'm just curious about.

This seems a bit bizarre.

Took down the statue, but we're having the birthday Okay, it.

Seems to be something that for whatever reason, we're not learning from history and we're just doomed to repeat the mistakes of their forefathers.

That it doesn't matter what the viewy is, what the political outlook is, whatever the mandates a government and institution, an organization has decided, whatever it is.

If you try to force something down people's throat, they're going to rebel against it.

It doesn't matter what it is.

It's the natural reaction to things.

People want choice, people want freedom, and when you don't give them that choice or freedom, and you tell them how they have to feel, you tell them how they need to be, that's when these issues arise.

And yeah, we're getting that pendulum swing very far to the right now, which concerns me considering what's happened in previous generations.

Definitely, because is this two point zero of German stuff?

Like I hope not.

I hope people are smarter than this.

Look I get it.

I mean I have a son that is almost in albino.

Okay, his dad is a redhead, don't blame him.

He's a very nice boy, and I've raised him to be a very good kid.

And has he been persecuted against one hundred percent, one hundred percent.

And you know I don't like that, But does that mean I need to go start the star stuff, get out of here with it, get out of here?

And that star is a Jewish people need to do your history.

That's a criminal.

No, So that we definitely live in this situation where they've almost created the boogeymen themselves.

When you call someone a certain name of certain istmism repeatedly, ultimately you're creating your own reality.

The people end up becoming what you're so dogmatically afraid of.

And I think that the issue with the cultural war is it's put now, is it's no longer just the political culture war anymore.

It's infesting the faith, spirituality, and people's outlook beyond the physical world.

And when you start to put things in the realm of people are lesser than human.

People aren't of my faith, so they are other.

When you other people, and this sounds like a very left wing term, when you other people, you dehumanize them, and you're able to do absolutely atrocities towards them because it's fine, not real, because not a human the not one of us.

It's fine.

And this is exactly what is happening now the left and the right pendulum swing of politics.

It's not even really a pendulum.

It's the people playing the game are hitting the ball back and forwards to each other because it's the game they have control of.

And it makes you wonder, doesn't it that they trained up all these youth in video games and so double not human, Like, Ah, that's just not real, man, that's not real.

Like, ah, you could shoot things and have blood and gore.

That's not real.

Oh, isn't it?

You know?

I have to tell this story, and son, if you watch this, but I had to.

What you're saying is so true on such a level.

For so many years, we've come above weird racism in Utah, and it's been almost the other side right like it's been oppressive for I would say, white males mostly.

And my son goes to almost in all black church.

He likes it there.

He likes the way they sing, and he likes it there.

I don't care, like my niece is black, so miss me with that one.

I don't give a crap where he goes as long as he's happy and it's not Mormon, as long as it's not a cult church, not just Mormon like Culty ones like Jehovah's.

It's just it's just a Christian church and he likes the way they sing.

So he's at work at a very busy, mainstream workplace for food and somebody came up to him and said, I think I saw you at your church.

And she was older, she was like my age, and he said, oh, I don't know you.

And she said, oh, what church do you go to again?

And he said the name and she said you go there?

You can't go there, and he goes, that's why and she said, that's an all black church.

That isn't the word she used.

She dropped the hot uh didn't she in the middle of the restaurant, and let me explain, this is not done now.

Okay, this is a fifty year old trap mom dropping the hard r to the point where my son got real sassy and said, he's just like me.

Oh lord.

So he says to her, ma'am, if you say that again to me, I will refuse service to you, because he's a nice boy.

And she said, oh, maybe I want to speak to your manager.

And my son did this little smile because he knew that his manager was not white, and he thought it was hysterical.

So he said, oh, you want to talk to my manager?

Okay, just a minute.

He went and got him and uh, it was a funny interaction.

She's ah, just never mind and walks away.

And the lady was like, what was that about, you know?

And he told her and she was like, did she tip good?

Because I just don't care about that situation, Like miss me with that, I got work to do.

So you know, she did the right thing.

She didn't go up in arms.

I think my son was actually more upset.

She did the right thing to ignore it, not because it's ignorable, not because that's okay, but because it gives it power.

She knew my son didn't.

He was pissed.

So I just say this because there is a change happening.

There is no way a tradmam, middle aged in the middle of Utah does that to a little seventeen year old boy in the middle of serving you a salad, ma'am?

What is happening already?

What is happening right now?

And then she proceeds to tell him when you want to go to the church, that you were born lucky enough to be white and would fit in with let me know and hands him a card that's gross, really gross.

So yeah, it's bad enough when the culture wars got into such point that people are angry and identifying themselves on single issue policy essentially of they're bringing things back to race and culture.

And when you add that with the power that faith and church has on top of that, the justification becomes even more dangerous for choices in the way people interact with one another.

I think you're seeing that.

I think one of the biggest scapegoats that are going on at the moment would be within Australia in the globe at the moment is Indian immigration.

There's Indians that are going to many western countries and filling gaps and migrating and living there in larger numbers in the worlds that are seen traditionally with migration.

And naturally, when you've got people who are very different skin color, of very different culture, the differences are noticeable.

It's night and day.

And when you've got an angry people who are already in low socioeconomic outcomes, their kids can't afford a house, living keeps going up, They're taxed to the eyeballs.

They see an attack on the West and conservative values.

That's been happening for over a decade now.

The anger is just so strong and easy to manipulate to go against people.

And you know what, these people that are coming into Western countries.

Sure they might be coming here for the economic reasons as well, and that they're using that, but they're not the person who left the door open.

People are getting angry at the people arriving, not angry at the people that are allowing it to happen.

So there's well people worldwide.

They care in a pop place.

I don't know about other countries.

But look, I always tell people this, you're so upset about all of this immigration, and I know we can't take care of them all, but we don't have to do that.

We also don't have to kick them out.

They're hard workers.

You need me.

Anybody that's gonna go pick the onions in the onion filled for a certain amount of money?

Is that fair?

No?

But will they do it?

Yes?

So they will do it for a time.

Even my neighbors they came they moved now, but my he's like my adopted son.

And they came here from another country and it was a Latin country.

But they came here legally.

He served in the service to come here, and they were very poor, and they worked their way up and they were renting a house and then they started a business and then you know what they're doing amazing.

They make way more money than me and my husband now and they're legal.

They did it legally.

And I asked them one day, I said, how do you feel about this?

This is you know, kind of affects you, like, what about your family?

What about this?

What about these people?

And they said, no, absolutely not.

They should have to do it the way we did it.

Even they are kind of staunch like that because they had to earn their way up and all of their family has served in the US military now except the mother.

So yeah, again, we've got got to this position of the fear and the heightway you want of polar opposites, where it's full unmitigated immigration because it's what countries needed, versus kick them all out.

There's no happy medium in any of these conversations.

Like you mentioned the idea of people working on farms and picking fruits or pulling vegetables out of the ground.

No one's asking the reason why do farmers need to pay such low wages for this, because if they paid above award wages what people should really be worth, the cost of living would skyrocket again.

And these are the questions people aren't willing to ask.

Why are we taxed so high in western countries?

Why is the cost of living the way it is?

Why are we paying for things that the government shouldn't be building or doing in the first place.

Because they've got full control and they're powered unto themselves.

People aren't questioning the current state in which we live the world.

At our technological level right now, the average household should be able to live sustainably.

You should be able to generate your own power.

You should be able to grow the majority if your own food that our great grandparents did no less than two generations ago.

We should be able to do that instead of everything's mass industrialized and we're dependent on the system.

And when you depend it on the system, the system can set the process as it lacks to well.

And this will continue because people are also lazy.

I mean, I'm not trying to be like, Okay, you've got two sides of the coin.

You've either got Americans that are working to death and making it and making more than just making it right because they're working themselves to death.

But you also have a lot of people that don't want to work and they are just happy to get by.

They just want to get by.

They don't care about getting ahead, they just want to get by.

We can only do that for so long, too, because one you are always my grandpa used to say, you are always one catastrophe away from homelessness.

You need to have a backup plan and it cannot be a credit card.

You have to have an ace in the hole.

You have to And so many times that saved me so many times.

Like we don't have thirty thousand dollars in credit card debt.

You know, my husband had that when he met me.

And I looked at him and I said, them, kids are going to have to play regular hockey and not travel hockey.

We're going to have to figure us out a different way.

We have to do normal people things.

We are not the Joneses.

We don't have that kind of money because I want to do stuff someday.

And guess what we do.

We don't have a brand new house, and we don't drive brand new cars, and we don't trade them in every year.

But you know what, slowly, but surely you can get that stuff and pay it off if you work hard, you know.

But it is getting hard though.

I think the economic and educational institutions have done a number on a lot of the issues as well.

There seems to be this really big contrast in Western nations where yeah, either go to university or you get a trade.

There's nothing in between anymore, and people have got this really weird outlook that certain jobs are beneath them.

And I was always raised it's no work that's beneath you.

If you're scrubbing a toilet earning a wage, you're earning a wage.

You're doing what you can and for whatever you can do the best at that toilet scrubbing.

We've got this more than three generations now have people brought up thinking, no, depending on what their outlook and cultural framework was, I have to go to university for job A or no.

No, you go do an industry job.

You work at a power plant, you work at a coal mine.

You've become a tradesman.

That's your thing.

Well what about the eighty percent of jobs that fit in between that, that are now vacant, that have required mass immigration.

No one's happy to be the guy that works at the chemist as a cashier.

No one's happy to work at fast food outlet.

No one's happy to be a begger at a shop anymore.

People have got this.

People are rude, and people are rude.

People have this overinflated sense of self worth.

And don't get me wrong, I'm all for people wanting to better themselves and achieve more in life.

But when you completely dismiss the journey to get there, like it's beneath you, you can't do it, you're too good for it, You've lost it already.

Your outlook on life is.

Wrong in the get go, Yeah, and you can always have like the best of everything.

Like if you want a car, then get a car.

It might not be the car you wanted, I'm sorry.

Like, yeah, if you want to go to college, you go to college.

But I'm not paying for it for you.

And that's rude that you think I should like, I'm sorry.

My parents never paid for that for me.

That was one of my daughter's upset things that she was with me because I didn't save her one hundred thousand dollars for a wedding.

And you know, college and I'm going are you insane, Like I didn't have anything.

I was happy to get three hundred dollars for my wedding and that was it, you know.

And and so when you're looking at this stuff, they are so entitled at this point.

Now, all my kids are not like that.

I don't know what happened with that one, but you know, it just is strange to me that it's become this cultural norm, like, oh, she's getting married, so we have to take out a second mortgage.

What if you have five kids?

You know I have six.

Now, Oh we're not doing that, like I will, I will give you a beautiful wedding, but it's not going to be one hundred thousand dollars.

That's crazy to me.

No, No, And when you've got these generations that are built up on that's the cultural norm.

And that's what they say on television.

It's what they see on their TV shows, it's what they read in their books, it's what they say in magazines, it's what they say on social media.

More importantly, they become entitled to that and they think they get that.

And if you don't give it to them, there's a resentment that comes from it.

And if they have someone say drop feeding some propaganda in the area saying, you know who's responsible for all of this, it's the new immigrants.

So there's people that came across here that took your jobs, the jobs that you don't want to do in the first place.

Right, that they would never do.

You're never going to see certain people go do those jobs.

I'm sorry, Like, I don't know why, but that's just the way it is.

So do I think they're really hurting everyone?

Stop giving them federal aid for heaven's sake, But like, why are they hurting anybody just being here?

They're not.

They're actually contributing if they're paying taxes and doing it that way.

But yeah, I can see why people were pissed when they were giving them all that money, like, don't do that, but just to be here whatever.

There's so much land.

They make this scarcity thing.

Oh there's not enough land and there's not enough water, and there's not enough this.

Yeah, because you're hoarding it all or you guys are being weird with the water and dumping it somewhere.

Stop it.

Yeah, we know how it works.

The nuance and conversation has been completely lost.

Everyone sees the world in black and white and not the shades of gray that exist in between.

Most of the time, it's far too easy to polarize someone into blue team, red team, group, a group bay mets some red Sox.

We team up very easily as human beings.

We're hardwired and built that way.

We team up, we tribe, but we go with our groups.

We would like you say that in the Bible as well.

There's the thirteen tribes for a reason.

But that's a downfall for us as well.

When we try up so easily, it's very easy to point the finger at someone else and then look, you've got a brand new enemy.

There's an enemy at the gates.

There's the barbarians have breached the wall, and now we have to do something about it.

And you know, if you've got prominent church leaders and prophets who start to go down a very old school, dogmatic approach to things that have been established as the norm for the past thirty years, you better believe the cultural war is going to get kinetic.

And they think that the odd person shooting a school's bad.

Just wait until the people who have been screaming at the top of lungs you don't want me to exist are actually confronted by people who don't want them to exist.

Things are going to get very very dangerous.

Oh yeah, well, and then we have, you know, normal grandpas that are just at the end of their wits shooting people because they just were at the end of their wits.

I mean, half of the time when you see crime, like crimes of passion or whatever, it's just somebody's out there breaking point.

It's not even about whatever happened that day.

They'll say to these people when they interview them, or when I interview them.

I work with a lot of people that come in from the police and and you talk with them and they're like, it wasn't even that guy, man, it was blah blah blah.

And they'll tell you about it and then you're you're like, oh, and then you understand it a lot better.

But nobody's listening.

They're not, and they're estranging everyone from their families period.

They want you to be mad at your mom and your dad and your grandparents and nobody did it good enough and they all owed you and poor you, and so the only person you have it's me and you against the world.

Baby.

And when that starts happening, that becomes very scary.

Yeah, Jay's things dock very quickly for this conversation, didn't it.

Well.

I think things are dark, but things are always dark as before the dawn.

We know that, Hetty, and we know as Christians that the birth pains are going to be down up pretty terrible and things are going to be pretty tough.

But at the end we win, things become better.

So with all these things that are going on, your concerns about the US, and you know, you can extrapolate that across the West, the Anglo sphere, whatever you want to call it.

We've all got the same issues happening at the same time, which for me is far too coincidental.

It's happening for a reason.

So what can people do in the face of all this uncertainty of this sphere, this anguish, this division that's being sown in every single aspect of our life.

What's your advice for listeners?

What can you do?

Number one?

Like you said, don't choose a team.

That's what they want.

They want to just make you these little puppets, and we're so easy, Like come on, they've got to be laughing their asses off.

I mean, like, look at this was so funny haha, Like, no, don't do it.

That's why I refuse to talk about this.

Though I could have made this my personal claim to fame.

That day, I decided to say, no, that's that's not anyways, that's not what I'm about.

But that even for the next week, and I had a lot of people hit me up for the same reason.

Don't react, do exactly what I did.

I prayed, I just wait, just wait, try not to go crazy.

And I am one that's quick to anger, Like I really have to work at this.

This is not like I'm not some zen person and I don't smoke anything funny, so there's no zen.

Okay, I'm pretty high strung and I'm adhd so it takes me a lot to say no, no, no, no, no, we're just gonna not do that, and and it you know, it's hard, and it's hard because we're all feeling that stressed.

Don't give up, don't give in, don't split up.

Come on, like all of us have been reculturalized, like Drew said, for the last ten years.

That means probably you're someone in your family's brown, black, you know, Asian, whatever the case may be, from India.

I don't care what they are people.

Those are people.

We don't do that.

We're better than that.

Is that person really hurting you just by existing?

Like, move on with your day.

And by the way, when they hand you your coke, smile because they're going to spit in it if you're an ass by the way, Yeah, you know not really some people wouldn't no matter what.

But I'm just saying an active kindness can go a long way.

When anybody ever hands me anything, especially at a fast food place, I always say, oh, thank you so much, have a good day.

Well, what does that hurt you?

Does that hurt you?

You know?

Really no, it doesn't.

And maybe that's the one thing.

Maybe everybody treated that person bad that day, and maybe you were the one person that gave that person a little bit of hope.

Because I can't imagine how that feels like I can't imagine.

Well I can because I grew up that way.

I didn't start out like this.

I clawed my way up to be able to be something, and then I got hurt and couldn't even be that anymore.

So, yes, I do understand.

That's why I smile and say thank you.

It's different.

I have served so many people in my life, and it will serve you.

So do that serve others.

It is not that difficult to be of service to your neighbor, to your family, to your whoever.

When snow hits, I tell my husband I can't do it because I have a hurt back.

You have to go and shovel your dad's walk.

I don't care whose turn it is, I don't care what's going on.

He's seventy something years old.

You have to go.

Just go.

Like He's like, I'll have to leave early for work, and I'm like, do it, go ahead, bye, I love you, Like, go shovel the walk, and he always wants to, but sometimes it's just that reminder that his dad is old.

I don't think he's sometimes like his dad's very independent, and so he's like, uh, I don't want to overstep my dad.

I'm like, just do it.

Don't ask permission, Just do it.

Why do you have to ask?

Just go shovel the walk and go.

Don't talk to them, Just go to work and they'll be so happy that you did.

You know, some people don't need to ask for help, Like if you see the widow in your neighborhood and her yard looks insane and needs the weeds, like, go help them?

When did that stop?

I'm just curious, you know, that's that is something the Mormons do good.

I'm going to give them that is the Mormons take care of their own.

A lot of times.

They will go and weed the widow's yard, and they will go and move the single mom.

They will.

So we need to be, you know, at least as good as Mormons come on.

They don't have the monopoly on findeness.

But you're right now, there seems to have been a switch and even just my short life, where we moved away from helping elderly people shopping out of the supermarket and you just walk straight past them.

People have just forgotten the humility of what it is to recognize someone might need help and the person might knock you back and say, you know, bug her off, I don't really help.

What are you thinking.

At least my husband he gets so mad at me because I do it all the time.

And he's this big, you know, buff guy.

And at the store and I told this lady, I'm like, oh, he wants to help you, and she's like, no way, I don't mind him.

Over here, I was like Okay.

He hates when I do it because he gets he's very embarrassable.

He doesn't he's not he's he's not like me at all, and so he would never do that, not because they need didn't need help, but because he's embarrassed.

He's shy.

He's a shy person.

But if I help him get out of his little shyness, like, honey, look, she's really struggling.

Like at least you offered.

I mean, you know what, what does it hurt?

I think it's it's a strange situation that we're in that kindness and love can go a long way.

But unfortunately we have to have the realization that there's been a generation of two have been propagandized to think that because of the color of your skin, your political views, maybe the area you live in, that you're incapable of kindness and love, and they will call you all the isanisms under the sun.

But things are only change when you offer that olive branch, and you have to expect that they may not accept it to begin with.

You know, like you bit the power of a smile.

The power of a smile, my Lord, is the most amazing thing.

Has a new phone twenty twenty.

When my little girl smiles at me, the joy it brings in my life, imagine what that does for someone else.

Like you said, someone could have had the most downtrodden, worst day in their life.

They could have had three things go wrong in the space of an hour, and that one smile could be that spark they needed for the day.

Twenty twenty to be nice.

Yeah, twenty twenty robbed Americans of this, and I think in other countries they're different.

They You've even said it, like, we know who Americans are because you go smile all the time.

And it's true.

You know, I've traveled all around people do know they you know, they say hi, And I've heard the jokes.

People say that's because we know people open carry.

Remember that, remember that also, but you know when you're looking at that.

Okay.

They of that in twenty twenty with the masks, and they made it normal to not say hi, to not make icon, to not do anything.

And I think a lot of people stayed there.

They got afraid, and it traumatized them enough to say this is my new normal, my new normal, and they quit doing it, and I refuse.

And my son is constantly making fun of me.

He's like, oh, my gosh, Mom, did you know that lady from high school?

And I'm like, what lady, the lady that just came up and told you her whole life and everything.

I'm like, oh, I don't know that lady.

And he's like, why is she telling you all that stuff?

I'm like, I don't know because I stood there and listened and smiled and nodded.

And he's like, but why did you do that?

That's so weird.

And I'm like, because she needed it?

What do you mean?

And they don't have that skill because they're not they don't go out.

They're on their phones, or they're having literal phone dates or they're like cyber ins I World stuff and they don't.

Like I'm always asking him when when are you gonna go out this week?

Like what do you do?

And now he is he this whole this senior it's a senior year and he I barely see the kid anymore, and boy is he going out.

I mean he is a handsome, six foot tall, blonde hair, blue eyed boy.

I mean, but he finally is getting out there and I'm like, oh, you're so much happier.

You know, you're just you're just so much happier.

And it's not a specific girl.

He just goes out with his friends right now, but he is just so much happier.

You just got to quit it freaking meet real humans.

I mean, geez, please for the sake of humanity.

Oh, meet real people.

Yeah, well that's a good place to end it, I think, Catti.

Yeah, we started off dark, but we got to a point where, you know, we remind ourselves what's important, what you need to try and do in life.

Do I have to handle to the Americans the smile that Yanks give, the big, full toothy smile.

It's genuine, it's real.

In the Anglo sphere, in the Commonwealth, we do this thing where we do the awkward smile where you don't show your teeth, like you say, someone to make God contact you.

The small it's just so strange.

I don't know if it comes back from a prim and proper thing.

Don't smile at people you don't know.

They could be Jack the ripper, who knows.

That's what If you smile and he doesn't kill you because you smiled, there you.

Go, Yeah, that's it.

A smile can change the world.

People.

HEARTI where can people find your work?

Well, I am always smiling, so you guys can find me over at the Unfiltered Rise, and I am everywhere podcasts are served.

I do have Unfiltered Rice podcast dot com, but I appreciate if you find me at Spotify.

I drop two to three times more there than I drop anywhere else because I don't like to drop on YouTube so much.

They're kind of giving little punishments and I've already had one, and I just I don't want to lose my channel, So find me there.

And of course I oftentimes do things Withdrew.

We do the Unfiltered Point.

I'm so excited for our next one.

It's gonna be yes epic.

We've both got the same book, and I'm quite interested because this is someone that I've been following for maybe seven years now, and Heidi's only just come across this person, which I was flabbergasted by that it wasn't on her radar, so yeah, keep it.

I was flabbergasted.

Yeah, I was flabbergast that I was like, how come I know this stuff?

But I didn't know this person?

Oh yeah, books, But if I would have known, it would have seen me so much time and effort.

Read books.

Read books, people, And.

If you're listening to me on Heidi's channel, I'm drew off.

You're missing the Point podcast, like Heidi just said, got the Unfiltered Point book reviews.

And you may have heard me on Christian Conspiracy Coalition, which I host with Heidi as a regular guest, amongst some other wonderful people.

If you've got anyone out there that you listen to you think is a good, upstanding Christian with a great outlook on life, that you think would benefit from conversations with us and vice versa, please forward us their information.

We'll make contact with them.

And on that note, guys, we'll catch you all next time.