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We are back with another episode of Free the Rabbits and I've got Heidie Love back and she he crushed it last time.

On the last episode, we did about Joseph Smith and Alistair Crowley and their connection essentially together over this whole occult ideology that they both had, and really how Crowley was a big fanboy Joseph Smith, and the fact that Heidi is also an ex Mormon, so she was able to give a lot of her personal take on those particular ideologies.

But today we're going to get into a very interesting topic and it really spawned from an email that I got almost six months ago.

One of the listeners reached out to me and I had mentioned Rudolf Steiner as a part of an episode, and they said, I think that you're misinformed about Rudolf Steiner.

He's not an occultist, he's not a gnostic.

He was a Christian.

And I was a little thrown back from that because I've done quite a bit of research on Steiner, and I said, you know what, I'm gonna this for now, and when it makes sense, we'll really get into Rudolph Steiner.

And I started looking into the Akashak records because I had another person ask me, Hey, when are you going to do an episode on the Akashak And I was like, well, you know what, I probably should do an entire episode on the Acostak records.

And while I was doing research on the Acastack records, I reached out to Heidi and I don't even know if we were talking about doing an episode together per se, but it kind of spawned off because you were talking about Rudolph Steiner and I said, hey, do you want to do an episode about the Acostak Records and Rudolf Steiner?

And you said, yeah, I do.

So I was pretty excited about that, and then all the research spawned out so much that we're going to turn this into a two parter.

So today we're going to talk specifically to the Acastak Records.

We're going to talk about what they are the characters involved when they it was brought to fruition into all these different religious organizations.

And then we're going to talk about Edgar Casey and his idea of what the Acostic records were, because his idea was a little different in some of the others, and in all honesty, they all had different ideas of what they it exactly was.

So we're definitely going to do that today.

And I'm really excited to do this and I'm done talking now.

So how you doing, Heidi?

I'm good?

How you doing?

Joel?

I'm glad to be here.

This one is an interesting one and I could see why people would say Steiner was a Christian.

And just because somebody is a Christian doesn't mean they're not involved in the occult, right, Like we've learned this over and over, Like doctor John Dia is by far my favorite example.

I hate to say that.

You know you're not one hundred percent wrong, but you're not one hundred percent right either.

This guy changed the Lord's Prayer just FYI.

He made it super dark, So we'll just go there for the beginnings, right, the preface of that is, and he had some good ideas too.

He's probably my favorite occultist as far as like some of the good things, right, there's great things.

It's so hard because you don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, but like, let's be honest, there's some really good things here, some really bad things here.

So yeah, it's hard.

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You're completely rightighty on that aspect, and something that I talk about on this show a lot, especially when it comes to gnosissism.

There's a lot of great things that come out of it that are very Christian, and that's the deceptive piece of it is You've got all of this good, but then you interlay it with all of this negative stuff, and then it becomes not biblical at that point, and then it becomes very self serving.

And I feel like that a lot of these occult to synostics.

As much as they proclaim it they're killing the ego, they're actually enhancing it because now they've created an atmosphere where they're a part of an elite system that only other people can get to if they come to them for the knowledge.

Right, you've got to be an initiate.

You actually have to in Rudolph Steiner's words, which we'll talk about in part two, you have to have the ability to be an initiate.

So it's not like something that you just can just do.

You need to be worthy of it, and that ties into bloodlines and some of the racial things that we're going to get into tomorrow with eugenics and races and all that, which will be fun.

But we're going to get into the Acacak today, and why don't you break down what the Akashak records are exactly, and then we'll talk about some of the characters involved with it too.

I'm gonna say this in the funniest way possible because I heard this on somebody else's show and I thought it was the funniest thing ever.

This is like a ghost library.

I mean, I can't help it.

Like we bring you serious things, like me and Joel are very serious researchers, but this was a good one.

I was like, I'm gonna use the ghost library because that's a good one.

And so basically, this is where they tap in, right, This is where you get the words downloads.

This is and he called it the Akashak field.

When we're speaking specifically of Steiner, they all change it a little bit, like you said, like some people are like, oh, it's this, it's that, it's and they tweak it because you know they always do.

But when you're talking about this, it's a literal basically a crystal wall of library and out in the ether.

Right, they're tapping into this whole situation.

But I always wonder with this knowledge.

I mean, it just sounds, you know, so much like eating that apple and the tree.

You know, it's just it's just a little like you know, there's a price to be paid for every single thing that we get that's forbidden knowledge.

I'm sorry, like it's just h Yeah, So the ghost Library may very well be that.

And I'm not saying Steiner didn't have some great predictions, you know what he was right on about some things, also super wrong about a lot of things.

So it's always too truth and a lie, right, so.

Right completely, And I agree with you on the idea that tapping into the so called records that you will get some right answers, and that's the deceptive part.

And I did talk about this with Isaac wise Hop on an episode called The Enokian Download, and we alluded to the Akashak.

I think he even may have said the word a Kashak records at one point, but we alluded to the Acashak records.

And our idea that we were putting forward was that you're not actually tapping into a recorded system.

And I'm not going to say that a recorded system doesn't exist either, but the idea that we can tap into it to me seems very unbiblical.

And are you actually tapping into it or are when you think you're tapping into this our entities giving you information that could be very well, right, that's part of the deception, and they want to give you information that's right.

So when they give you the information that's not that, you're going to take it also as truth.

So if you're talking to an entity in the astral and they're giving you this information and you come back and say, this is what it is, and it is that, well, the next set of info that they give you will also be given to other people as truth, and people start following it not having any clue that it's actually fake.

Yes, and then you're sleeping with the other guy's wife.

That's just at the end of it all, Like we know these things require payment, blood, sacrifice, different things like this, Like it's it's never that simple.

It's just never that simple.

And I'm not saying, like you said that that it's it's true.

Yeah, okay, cool, Like he may have known a lot of things.

He probably is right about a few things, but I'm certain from what I've read he's wrong about a lot of things too, and not just him, like Madam Levatski, all of them.

Let's be real, like, none of these people have all the answers, and anybody that does, you probably should be a little concerned.

So because me and you were researchers, like I've been wrong before, Like you know, people come at me, Oh, she's a know it all, she knows that.

I'm like, you know what, No, I'm learning.

I'm trying to help people, and that's you know, so they don't go down this road right right.

And to that point too, about being open and honest about your research and changing your mind with further research, I think that's the sign of a good researcher.

I think that whenever we theorize about things, we need to go into it trying to debunk it first and then coming in with, well, I don't have an answer for any of this.

So here's what I'm theorizing about because of said other information that I've actually researched.

Because if we go into things trying to prove them a lot of times, then we'll find a lot of confirmation bias that's involved with it, and we're going to find the answers to whatever we want because we can move the goal post and all kinds of assumptions about said topics if we don't do that, and I think that even goes with as occultist.

I think that with a lot of what they were studying, there was a lot of confirmation bias also even with rudel Steiner, because what they were trying to do is prove their ideas, so they were willing to take whatever these entities told them to then say, well, this is definitely it because I met with this entity in the astro, in the eh Or and it has to be real because this entity is way more powerful than me, not even thinking that, well, it could be a negative entity.

It's just checking again, right, right, and when even if we look at the system that they set up, let's play with their rules.

Right, if we are in the lowest part period, right, we're in either the highest part of Hell or the lowest part of Heaven one way or the other in their system.

I'm not talking about in real life, I'm talking about in their system.

And we look at all these other dynamics built on top of it.

Why the heck, Why the heck would you think this entity would be something so high up that it would be benevolent.

Let's be real, if we're piercing the ether with our silly things and this is whatever you want it to be, you're probably not talking to something good.

That's just my opinion.

So completely agree with that, and that's it's been a pretty point of contention on my show since I started.

It was the connection to entities and what they give you.

And you'll see throughout history when you brought up John d and Edward Kelly is a part of that whole thirty ethers that they unlocked that eventually Newberg and Crowley unlocked later.

But they were connecting with angelic beings.

And it's not to say that they weren't connecting with angelic beings, they just weren't the type of angelic beings that we would consider to be rolling with the good side of yahweh, the good side of God.

Right, that's something that we have to always consider.

You know, I've met people that said they have talked to Jesus Christ themself, like okay, well, what did he tell you?

Well, when they start talking about what supposedly Jesus told them, it always ends up being very New Age.

It also ends up being very occult in nature, very gnostic in nature, things that are not Biblical at all.

And to me, that's just an entity masquerading as Jesus.

And we know that they masquerade us all kinds of different gods, and to that point, that is the essence of narcissism that these were Specifically, Jesus was a great prophet.

He was just an ascended master.

He's something that we can all obtains, the Christ's consciousness, right, And that's what these guys believe, and really Theosophy and the movement that came out of it, Anthroposophy, which was what Rudolph Seiner started when he left Theosophy because they had beef and he didn't like what they were trying to push.

And we'll get into a little bit today probably about what that was.

But they were very high on those New Age ideologies and specific the Siicastic Records, which is supposedly a compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions, and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, in future.

And it's not just the humans, it's all entities and all life.

So that leads into that Great White Brotherhood where now when people talk about the Great White Brotherhood, Heidi, they don't just talk about the entities that are part of it, or the ascended masters, the people that ascended.

They also talk about extraterrestrial from other planets that have also ascended.

So it's become this literal space force that's in this astral realm that you can tap into, and you can tap into this information, which is this Akashak records.

Well, and if we're already predetermined, right, like, if you're predetermined in your life, and actually we must have been super great in their whole system because you're redheaded and really light and I'm super white.

So hey, I guess I guess our next life is we're done, right, I'm hoping, ha ha, and we'll get into that bigger But I'm just saying.

I've got nothing me man, I'm all good.

And that is what I'm going to tell you.

That is the one thing.

My husband is like, don't don't come at me with us.

And you know why, he's a redhead.

He's like, don't please, don't talk to me about the nephil I'm like, calm down.

I mean, I get it, but also it's pretty funny.

He needs to get over it.

He is red headed.

You're a Viking.

You're half a Viking, like his DNA is like severely Viking.

I'm like wow, and I mean I get it, Like I get it.

I have green eyes and light hair and white skin like and anyways, I'm from a really weird family line.

But regardless, when we look at these things right, and even if they build Christ into them, because Carl Jung does this, all these people do this right, and then what happens.

They're always like, oh, and by the way, write a book.

If you have ever had a line to an angel and God didn't send it, like you're channeling it.

You're doing the things.

You're manipulating ether.

You're doing this stuff, not just praying no no, no rituals right things that here's the ether.

If you're doing that and something answers, you're knocking on the door probably three times.

No I'm kidding.

So if you do that, you are going to get what you get.

And I'm sorry, Like most of them get to a point where they're like, probably shouldn't have done that.

It sucks.

But every single time.

It's every Even Plato talks about this like this is so old.

There is nothing new under the sun, no for sure.

And to that point of how old it is so Akasha is actually a Sanskrit word and it means ather, sky, atmosphere, space, it means this astral realm.

It's what it's meant since it was its inception.

And what's interesting, the first person to really put it in the modern zeitgeist would be Helenabovotsky.

And she was one of the first founders of the Theosophical Society, and most people called her Madame Levotsky, which you had referred to earlier.

And she was a mystic and writer, and she immigrated the United States in eighteen seventy five and she started this Theosophical Society.

And as she's starting this Theosophical Society, she did it off of the back of In eighteen forty nine, she was visiting Europe the Americas and she ends up in India.

And part of when she went to India, she met these masters of the ancient Wisdom, which we now know as the Ascended Masters, which the Golden Dawn coined the Secret Chiefs.

We know of them as the Great White Brotherhood and she learned from these ascended Masters in Tibet, and it's been a point of contention whether or not she did.

I believe that she did.

And also I found a very interesting thread in the fact that these ascended Masters were also tied into governments, and Helen Vlotski was actually doing work for the Government's shocker, how these occultists are always doing some sort of quote unong secret agent type work for these governments, and she was actually doing that.

And one day I'm gonna do an episode on that, which I think is fascinating.

But she comes back and she starts talking about the Akasha, and she and Henry steel Allcot really start pushing the idea of the Akasha.

As a matter of fact, Henry steel Accot wrote this book called a Buddhist Catechism, which I'll talk about here in a minute, and he talks about the Akasa and Nirvana and what it actually means.

And I thought this was interesting, and I actually went through the book.

I can't help myself.

I find that somebody's got a book and I'm going to go through it.

I'll just skim through it, right, and then I'm before I know it I'm two hours now.

It's so interesting.

So he did it because he was a big Buddhist thing.

He brought Buddhism really back to the forefront of the occult.

He was one of the big catalysts for that.

And yeah, Helen Vovotsky was also into Eastern mysticism well, but she was more into the Hindu aspects of it, where he was more into the Buddhist aspects of it.

And you'll find so he writes this book, and he does it in this series of questions and answers.

The entire book is Answers and Questions.

And I thought this was really fascinating that he did this way, because he did it in a way that this is the questions people will ask.

Debunk this, and I'm going to give you the answer how that this is right?

You know that they said, I did not know this.

Really.

My neighbor was he's like my other son.

And he told me, shout out, Louise, if you watch this.

He's out in the military right now.

He's a marine.

So he told me when he came back from his mission, because we were talking about, you know, getting out of Mormonism and all these things, and he said oh, you know, they give us I was a leader, they give us a phone and if they ask a question, you just type it in and it comes up with the what you're supposed to tell.

I'm like, wow, like a modern day scrying version of that is so fascinating.

That's real.

And this is the old school version of that right here, writing a book and doing it in the form of questions that answered.

So it's really wild.

So part two he talks about the dharmar or doctrine, and he says, question, can you give a better word for salvation?

And I'm bringing up this part because I find this interesting how he debunks Christianity using Buddhism and essentially the occult.

And he says answer, yes, emancipation.

Question emancipation then from what?

Emancipation?

From the miseries of earthly existence, of all rebirths, so reincarnation, all of which are due to ignorance and impure lusts and cravings.

Question and when this salvation or emancipation is attained, what do we reach nirvana?

What is nirvana a condition of slow cessation of changes, of perfect rest, of the absence of desire and illusion and sorrow, of the total obliteration of everything that goes to make up the physical man.

Before reaching Nirvana, man is constantly being reborn.

When he reaches nirvana, he is born no more.

So this is super gnostic.

This is the idea that you have to continually be reincarnated until you figure out the code, right, until you can get past the demiurge to then move into the other layers of the astral And this is what he's talking about.

But this is what these guys believe, Heidi.

This is they continually attack Christianity, but then they'll also mix in Jesus to make it like, oh, we love Christianity, we are Christians, but you're not, because you are essentially saying that you don't need salvation from anything.

We can save ourselves.

Well, and they call him, you know, they call Yashua like basically a deranged crazy person.

That's not even I mean, sure, if you want to call him.

Fitting it into the picture, great, I don't love the way it fit into the picture, but it always ends up like that, right I mean, uh yeah, I mean if.

You talk to Amman Hillman, he says he's a boy lover.

So they go pretty crazy these days about what they say about Jesus.

Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, yeah, and I mean it is what it is.

But yeah, I don't think he's yelled Obeith.

I don't think he's the accidental ruler of this universe that's deranged and thinks he is, but he's not.

And there's you know, all these other ones.

It's just it's that's just so much right, Like, and also, what about our free will?

If all of this stuff is already written in the stars, what about you know, the whole reason why?

In my opinion what I thought from what I've read, we're supposed to be here and we can change things, right, You and I have both come from things that we changed our whole lives.

Like does that not matter?

Like, I mean, I don't know.

I just don't think that we chose to go through all these really hard things.

And then you know, it's just it's I don't think it's that it wasn't pre planned.

I don't think so.

But Mormon's also believe in this.

They believe you have a pre existence and you've shows and everything including all your trials, all your hardships, your parents, everything right, And.

I think that goes into predestination.

And I know that growing up that predestination was talked about a lot, and I think there's a balance between God knowing how it's going to end but also allowing you the ability to make your choice.

So God's all knowing, so he does know the end of the story.

It doesn't mean that you don't have the ability to change.

You're part of the story and he allows that, and it is your choice.

It's just he's all knowing, and he knows how it's going to play out.

He knows what you're going to do before you do it.

He just doesn't interfere in you making that choice to do it right.

And it's just I just don't think that it's already like so predestined that it's written out, because you know, that's that's not really giving you free will if that, and that's obviously why they believe who is their God, because he doesn't give free will, right, And that gets into that whole and then they're like, but that's the light Bringer and that's you know, that's the good, And I'm like, maybe we have different opinions of that, but I can still respect it.

I can respect that, you know, Steiner said, if you want to ascend higher, go push a handicapped person on the beach.

Yes, yes, one hundred percent, but you shouldn't do it that for that reason.

To assent right, you should be a good person and learn like this is a good thing to do because this is just a good thing to do, and not expect a reward at the end.

And I think that's true Christianity, and nutshell is doing things to be selfless, not being selfless to attain some sort of ascension or knowledge.

And I think that's where that weird ideology comes into place with gnostics in the occultists, because they have this idea that they're killing the ego.

They all talk about it, and it's we'll talk about it a little bit today too, and we're sure talk about in the next episode where we go straight into Rudolph Steiner because he consistently, repetitively, by the way, talks about getting rid of the ego.

I have a question for you, as your past history and as mine, were you more and full of yourself then or now?

Way more than right?

Because you were what almost to God right like me too, me too.

Samesy's right, where we knew we were all knowing there was no one above like us.

Like you had the answers, I had the answers.

The church was the only true church, yours was the only true way.

Like you don't have any room for growth when you think you know everything and I knew nothing right.

I know way more now, which is even crazy.

I know way more now about the stuff that I was evolved in now than I did back then.

And I understand the characters better.

I understand where things come from, and I understand who started them, why they started them.

And I think when you get into that part of it, it's very easy to understand the misconceptions that come along with following these left hand paths.

And I think that that's the tough thing for people, because they see what they're doing is good, specifically gnostics and even occultist.

I just had somebody recently tell me that I was very confused about Aleister Crowley.

And he was a good person.

He was slandered, you know, but yet he called himself the great b six sixty six.

You know, he signed every letter that way.

But yet that was just a misconception.

And you'll see that from people because they view what he did as anti authority, that he was against the system that he was against organized religion, but in reality he was trying to invoke the Antichrist.

In reality, he was involved with practices that were wholly against not just the Bible, but just morality in general.

We're talking about.

He said that one of the yeah, he didn't even understand what he was doing because he didn't understand alchemy.

They didn't mean to do actual pooh things.

Okay, that is like the substance of an alchemist where it turns dark, and that is called what the It's a swear word, so I'll just say pooh anyway, that part because it turned brown, It doesn't mean actual crap.

Like, he was kind of not very informed on his own stuff he was doing.

So he was an interesting guy.

And one of the things that I've argued with I agree with you there definitely with some of the alchemical stuff, because he wasn't a great alchemist.

He was a great spiritualist.

And I think that he did get in contact with these entities.

I don't necessarily if he knew sometimes what to do with these entities and the information they were giving him.

But that also plays into the fact that he was also a Charlatan, and he was also a secret agent.

So if he's working for the government and he's got other motivations that are involved with what he's doing, because my belief system is a lot of the occult practices that he was involved in were to bring back to the government, bring information back to the government for them to be able to use in a different format.

So for me, he was all three.

And I think when we understand Croley better is when we understand that he was three different things and not just the one of the three.

And most researchers will just focus on one thing that he was and not understand he was a super multi layered person.

And to that point, just like the rest of these occultists, they are super multi layered.

They didn't have their hands in just one thing.

And we're just talking about all caught here.

And to get back to this book, the Buddhist Catechism, this gets us right into the Akasha again, so part five Buddhism and Science.

He goes back to asking the questions again, question, do Buddhists accept the theory that everything has been formed out of nothing by a creator?

Oh?

This gets good.

This is super anti Christian and honestly super anti any sort of creator answer.

The Buddha has taught that two things are causeless Akasha and nirvana.

Everything has come out of Akasha in obedience to the law of motion inherent in it, after a certain existence passes away.

Nothing ever came out of nothing.

We do not believe in miracles.

Hence we deny creation and cannot conceive of a creation of something out of nothing.

Nothing organic is eternal.

Everything is a constant state of flux and undergoing change and reformation, keeping up with the continuity according to the law of evolution.

So their big evolutionists too.

By the way, they love Darwin, and which I think is a weird combination between the occultists and gnostics and Darwinism, because Darwin himself wasn't necessarily big into religion, right, he was more into the human aspects of things and what turned more into like the modern humanist movement.

But these occultists took what he did and they used it as a way to make it make sense to your evolutionary scale of moving into an ascended master.

Yeah, yeah, I mean they always use whatever's at the helm.

It's not even them.

I don't think it's the them.

I think it's what they're tapping into right who they're talking to to they know, I mean, these things always know exactly what to say and do to make a new religion almost every time.

And they did that with science as well.

To your point, they did, and to we're definitely going to get into some of these characters that were big into science, which, by the way, when we really get into Roe Steiner, that's gonna come up a lot because he was big into science.

But to even move to a more recent character before we get into Casey, but Alice Bailey big big when it comes to the Acashic records, and she was the first one to coin the term New Age, and she was the more modern version of theosophy.

She helped start what was originally the Lucifer Printing formed into the Lucious Trust.

And I did an entire episode about the Lucius Trust, which also fun and helps the un now, which is a whole nother rabbit hole to go down.

But she's a big part of that.

And on the Lucas Trust website, they've got all of her books.

They've got you can literally go there and read all of her theosophical books, which I pulled some information from because I went directly to the source.

I love reading about stuff, but then I love reading the stuff because that's when I find out that these stuff is a little more in depth than somebody talking about or read writing about what they said.

And she wrote this book called Union Achieve and Its Results, And in book three, Part two, she talks specifically about what the Acascak Record is, and she says, the Acascak Record is like an immense photographic registering all the desires and earth experiences of our planet.

Those who perceive it will see picture therein and she maps out several different ones, and I'm not going to go through all of them today, but she talks about the life experiences of every human being since time began.

So, Heidi, this is a record of everything everyone's done from the past, present, and future.

And if you have the ability to tap into this, you can not only see into the past and events that have been supposedly covered up.

And I'm not a complete pushback on hidden history, because I do believe there's a lot of hidden history, but I do draw the lines sometimes because I think some things get way out of pocket where it's like now you're just pulling out of thin air and you don't have any basis to what you're talking about.

But according to these occultists, they were able to pull into the past.

And I know we're gonna get into real ssider and root races and all of that, because that's where he pulled it from, was the acastic.

But she talks about this too.

Then she says reactions to experiencing the entire animal kingdom, So she's pulling from the animal kingdom as well.

This is where it gets fun, the aggregation of the thought forms of karmic nature based on desire of every human unit throughout time.

Aaron lays the great deception of the records.

Only a trained a cult tist can distinguish between actual experience and those astral pictures created by imagination and keen desire.

Now, what do you think about that id the fact that oh you can't not everybody can tap into it, but you need to be trained.

Oh but you got special You gotta have that special blood or whatever that they create in that moment that you need to be the special one.

Yes, well, she's pretty full of herself in this one too.

The rays and the initiations.

This one talks a lot about this as well, and basically about how the Master himself is not static and his field of work is clear, and it's all a lot of woo woo, And wouldn't you feel so empowered?

I mean, if you're gonna be God like you are God, we are all God like that.

That is such a weird dynamic for me, right, But this is what it is for them, So yeah, it's it's not the fust.

Yeah, it's super wild.

And the fourth thing she talks about, and this is really going to hit hard with Steiner, She talks about the planetary and she puts us in quotations dweller on the threshold with all that appertains to that term and all the aggregations of forms which are to be found in its environment.

The trained seer has learned to dissociate that which pertains to his own aura and the aura of the planet, which is actuality the Acascic records, so the area of the planet is part of the Acascak record that you can tap into.

And she talks about that the trained adept can distinguish between the records and something that's not the records.

But to get to these records, you have to get to the dweller on the threshold.

Now, if you know anything about biblical knowledge about thresholds allowing things into your home, into your threshold, there are things at the threshold.

Jesus is at the threshold, that is, these entities are also mimicking a distorted version of that as well.

So this leads into all kinds of mythologies and lore of vampires at the threshold, dogmen, the threshold, entities at the threshold, demonic entities being allowed in because you told them they can come in.

But this dweller of the threshold is a little different in this aspect because it's at the threshold you getting through it.

So once you have been able to tap into what this entity wants you to and you can move past it, then you can start moving through the stages of the astral to then get the desired knowledge to be able to take back down to Earth to then create religions and deceive people and never forget.

Right, So you don't forget because if you come back, say you got hit by a car tomorrow and you have to come back, you're supposed to remember all that stuff because you're better than everybody else.

So yeah, and you have to come back, you know, white delights them.

It's actually true, though, is that you have to come back.

They tell you to come back because a lot of people who get to the upper echelon levels they want to leave and they want to stay there, but they tell them that, no, you can't stay here yet.

You are trained enough to be here, will allow you to be here eventually.

But you need to bring more people to us.

Now, tell me that's not the wildest thing in the world you ever heard of.

You need to bring more people to us.

You know, it does go back to the whole Mormon thing when we talked about what exactly they're doing with their ceremonies and what exactly they're containing in those temples.

And you know, I just when you learn symbolism, right, symbolism is everything, it's everywhere, and I just can't help but think about the things that they're doing and attaching to people, and then they're locking them down because of the way the pentagram is facing on the temple.

It's upside down, and it just goes into witchcraft like and this is just another form of witchcraft, right, It's like the light witchcraft, and it's the better witchcraft, and it's not witchcraft.

Now, Oh, it's something different than that, because we said so, and we're going to write all these wordy books about it.

And I mean, I'm like you, I'm always studying.

But at the end of the day, I can see if you did not have like a firm foundation in Jesus as your savior, this would be a good sale, like you're going to be God.

I agree with that, And I think my biggest argument towards any of these practices and honestly even versions of Christianity that require you to do X amount of things to then get to God.

I got a big problem with that, because that's why Jesus came.

He came to make it simple, not make it difficult.

Now the road is less traveled, and yes it's smaller, Yes it's tough, and yes you're going to run into issues.

Are you told to study your Bible and actually study it?

You know?

Ed Mabury uses this terminology a lot.

He says that everybody can read it, but do you study it?

You let it enhance your life.

Now, that's growth, that's evolution.

That's the kind of evolution we're talking about here, is growth to be able to help other people and then be able to grow yourself so you're able to interact with the world around you in a better way.

And to your point earlier Heidi about us and what we've been through and how we've come out of it, and looking back on the egos that we had and who we thought we were.

I found myself way more self less and wanting to help others, wanting to work for nonprofit organizations, to help others around me, to do things that are outside of my normal comfort zone because I feel led to do it.

You know, It's one thing for you and I to get on the podcast and talk about these things and hopefully help people that way, right, But it's also another to get out in the real world and help people that are less fortunate.

And I think we're called to do that.

And to your point earlier about some of these nassis and ocultists, they're doing it too.

It's not that they're not.

Hey, I came for freemasonry.

We helped a lot of people, a lot of very unfortunate people in unfortunate situations.

And it wasn't done out of hate or some sort of convoluted way to trick people.

It really was of good intentions.

But what is the real reason you're doing at the root core, are you doing to make yourself feel better about some of the bad things you're doing, or are you actually doing it to help people.

I think that's a very important thing to look at when we're looking at why we're here on this earth in the first place.

Yeah, if it's a checkbox, like if it's to go up a level, if it's to you know, go to heaven, if it's I mean, yeah, ultimately I want to make it there, but that in that moment, it should be about just pure compassion.

Right.

If you're walking past somebody that's just happened to me in the middle of Seattle and we're leaving and he's on the side of the road and I can clearly see he has wounds on his feet to the point where he's gonna lose his feet.

You know, it didn't have socks.

And I stopped and my husband's like, are you gonna go talk to that guy?

I'm like, give me your socks, Like stop, like get in your bag and get as mini socks as you can get.

And like I didn't wake him up, I didn't like bother him or anything.

I just put him by his shoes, like he probably just thinks they came from I don't know where, but like in that moment, right, that compassion has to be a part of who you are, not just what you do.

Like, I think it's really important that that happens.

And often I've said, like, I'm gonna make a T shirt and I need to update my T shirt store that says I'm sorry for what I said when I was Mormon because I just didn't have that.

It didn't mean I wasn't healthy.

That's a crazy shirt.

That's hilarious.

Oh god, it's good.

Right, they're good people.

They're good people like you, Like you did good things, Like you weren't a bad guy when you were in that, you know, but like, but why were you doing it?

Is it at the core of your being?

Did you have some kind of feeling about it, like or were you checking the box to the next thing?

You know, it was a facade.

I knew what I was doing was not good, Like I had nefarious purposes behind what I was doing.

I didn't feel like I was doing great things.

But I did community service.

I did things to mask the fact that I also had this other, very demonically led side to me that I was more than happy to push if I was going to get what I wanted to get out of life.

Right, So for me, doing those things for people wasn't done just out of the kindness of my heart.

I really didn't care.

I will say though, that I've always had a very open nature to people and always wanted to help people.

That's always been in the root core of me.

So that's why I never had a problem doing it.

I really did a manual one eighty to follow.

A lot of the evil practices I was doing.

It was very much against who I was as a person just in general, because I wanted what I wanted to get, so I was willing to here it comes sacrifice who I really was to obtain those things.

Sometimes the sacrifice isn't you're off in somebody in your family or some crazy aspect of you know, on on top of a mountain, you know, cutting my hands and you know, praying to yell Boa or whatever.

Right, it's not that.

Sometimes it's just sacrificing who you really are.

And I think that that was a lot of the trouble that I ran into when I was following these paths.

Yeah, yeah, Thank Eavens.

We both came out because it's a different thing now, like that feeling when you do something genuine just just stop and help somebody, Like it's a different thing.

And I do think that's actually tapping in.

But not to this other stuff, not to this fake God, right, not to this false light.

It's it's real, and they have dimmed.

That's so bad for us.

Like from that to the water, to the food, to the you know what it's like to all the things right like and and Steiner knew some of this.

Steiner talks about some of this with his predictions, and it's great, and we'll talk more about it.

But like also I don't think he understood the full meaning of God, or he wouldn't be messing with it, just like John Deeve, right, like you don't look to angels and things for all?

Like you, who do you go to?

Go to God?

Why is it that these occultists and this directly ties into the Ecostic records.

Why are these occultists so consumed with talking to God's messengers instead of God himself?

That's the big issue that I have.

When Yashua Kane and sacrificed himself and then was risen from the dead, he beat death, hell in the grave.

He did all that, and he made it a very simple process for us to come to him.

Why is it that people feel the need to make it so difficult and you could just go to the source.

Why do you have to go to his emissaries?

Why is that a requirement?

And that's the problem that I have with it now to say that people who are Christian don't have supernatural experiences or angelic beings don't meet with them.

That's in the Bible.

So when someone tells me that they have, and I listen to their story and I feel like, oh, this is matching up with the Bible, I tend to believe them more because, Okay, yeah, you probably did have a supernatural event that happened and an angelic being came and helped you.

But you always notice when these angelic beings come, who do they point back to?

Always they always point back to Yahweh.

They always point back to God, and they don't ever take the it's not their glory glory for themselves, correct, So they don't take that glory for themselves.

They always point back to God.

And I think that's what we have to look at when we look at these supernatural experiences.

But to your point with these and ocultists, oh, you need to get to the angels first.

The beings are the ones that help you, because God really is just this overarching He doesn't care about us.

Really, he's just the monad.

He is there and really doesn't care about us.

We have to work our way to even get close to him.

These beings are our best shot.

Well, and I think the best thing I ever heard in occultist say when somebody asked it was in a book.

I can't remember which one I wished I could.

Why do you do that?

They said?

Because it works?

And I'm like, oh that's powerful, right, Like how how do you fight that?

Because God sometimes doesn't?

Right Like, God works in his way, not our way.

So this is a control situation, right, this is like, and how wonderful that is for somebody like that's had an abusive background or whatever the case may be.

Like, you crave that, You crave that control of your destiny.

I know I did, because I did come from that kind of background.

And you know it gives it back to me, right Like, Oh, you can choose, you can figure out the passwords and go and do the things and all this stuff and you can get past all these you know, sentinels and angels at the veil because I know the things, blah blah blah.

But like, at the end of the day, did that even help me?

Did that make me feel some kind of way like some people say it does.

But as for me, and I'm certainly glad that God I think was always with me from a young age, actual God.

I didn't listen as much until later, but I knew who he was and I think that saved me.

I really do.

Yeah, we got lucky.

That's awesome, and I think that's where we should all strive to be.

And we're going to get into the A.

Kashak Records and how that's tied into the Book of Life.

You're pretty seen too, and we're talking about Edgar Casey, So that's a whole other bag of worms.

But I want to talk a little bit about Theosophy's version of A Kasha it's a little different being Kashak Records.

Now you may say, well, wait a minute, you just were reading from Alice Bailey's book and she's from Theosophy.

Yeah, and no, she's the modern version of Theosophy, which is a little different than the original version.

And I've talked about this on the show, where Crowley loved the original version of theosophy.

When he came to the States, he tried to eradicate it.

Matter of fact, he tried to take it over because he did not like the more modern version of what Alice Bailey ended up becoming and pushing.

He hated it.

And that's when this akashak record really came to the forefront.

Was more than the modern version of that, but the original version, it is similar, but it's not and it doesn't actually use the word word akashak records.

It just uses the word Akasha.

And the first time that it's really talked about is in The Secret Doctrine, which is a book by Helen Blovotski.

It's one of her big two volume book she wrote in eighteen eighty eight, and the first volume is called Cosmogenesis, and the second volume, which I'm going to talk about here in a second is called Anthropogenesis, and she gets really deep into the ideas of theosophy, and this is where she gets into the Akasha.

And in volume two she says, Akasha is something far greater and definitely more important than is realized by most people who casually use the word.

So here we go.

So she said, well, that Sanskrit word akasha that you see that means the ether in space and all that.

It's actually more important than that.

Let me tell you the secrets that the entities told me.

So the Mahatmas told me over in Ti Bed.

So she says that the akasha can be defined in a few words.

It is the universal soul.

So, I know you've heard a lot about that, Heidi.

The universal soul and what we can tap into there.

That's typically where people say that they can pull the download from is from this universal consciousness.

Right then you got the matrix of the universe, the mysterium magnum from which all exists.

And that really reminds me of the premium materia and what these ancient alchemists said that was the essence of God.

This is what she's talking about here.

And she says that from which all that exists is borne by separation or differentiation, is the cause of existence.

It feels the infinite space, it space itself in one sense, in both its sixth and seventh principles.

And then she goes on to say that the universal cause in it is unmanifested unity and infinity.

So she's basically saying that this is the universal life force.

She actually uses the life force at one point when she talks about the Akasha.

It's the internal divine consciousness.

It's unconditioned, undifferentiated, and infinite.

So this is typical what I would say would be the Azah or the premium materia.

This is what the alchemists were trying to achieve a lot of times.

Their magnum opusis they were trying to get to this god juice.

That's the fun way that I can say it.

That's basically what it was, and she reformatted it into akasha.

So this akasha is the essence of all things, but it contains all things.

So that's typically where people get the idea of the records from.

Because if you can tap into the god juice, oh you're a god, you could tell anybody anything.

You can go find whatever you want to find.

Yeah, well, and you know Steiner likes to call it.

They all, like we said, a kashak field.

But at the end of the day, this is forbidden knowledge, Like that is what it is.

Like, are we supposed to know everything?

No?

Are we supposed to know.

You know, all this stuff laid before us about anybody.

No, now are there people now with Casey?

You know, we'll get there, But I will defend him in this point.

He was not awake and never chose at that time.

Now what does that mean for him?

I don't know if he had an entity.

I don't know if he invited there.

I don't know if he did a ceremony.

So it all makes a difference, right, because like you said, there are gifts from God, right, and there's a quick way to test this, fast and quick.

If you happen to be one of those people that are a clairvoyant, which all these people are very obsessed with.

To be able to go and tap into this, you have to be clairvoyant.

And for that you can say God and get on your knees and pray.

If you've given me this, then let it stay.

And if this isn't what you've given me and I've attained it by some other way, then take it from me and there you go.

And I mean, you know, if you didn't do a ceremony or anything, I'm guessing it's probably yours.

But that's an extra special way to make sure, right, like there are clairvoyants in Christianity.

I'm not throwing everything out.

I don't know where Casey lands with that.

You know, he's harder Steiner and these guys we can dissect them and get into like their six thousand and fiftieth stuff that they talked about and go, oh yeah, okay, right here, this seems not quite right, you know.

But Casey's harder because he really was.

He was a I mean, I think deep down he was a Christian.

But like I said, anything can channel in.

Well, they said he was devout, yeah, and that he was deeply involved with Christianity.

But then again, I can go read that so was John Dee.

So at the end of the day, how much was he And we'll definitely we're going to get into Casey Harner's just a little bit, and we'll talk about some of the actual times that he was asleep and people were writing and watching him while he slept.

In what he was saying, it's very interesting.

I think I'd like to run some of this by a person that I'm really good friends with, and she is very knowledgeable in these aspects, Vicki Joy Anderson, And she is just super knowledgeable when it comes to the astral realm of what's going on there from a Christian perspective, and I'd love to think know what she thinks about Edgar Casey as a whole.

I typically lean more towards the occult.

However, there are aspects of it that don't make sense, like you said too, where it's okay, I know that people can, and we know biblically where people have prophesied that we're given information directly from God or from an angelic messenger.

So we know this exists, we know that people can, But what was the real purpose behind it?

Because you know, Casey was labeled by the mainstream as being a koop, a quack, but what he was predicting was spot on almost every single time, which is even more mindful.

And he was not in it for money.

He died very poor, Like he didn't ever require he could have made a lot of money doing this, Like he could have just been like, yep, money, money, money, you line up, you know your appointments Friday, just like a doctor.

Really he could have done that, but he didn't.

And so for me, I'm like, he said some crazy things.

That's where it gets into the occult nature because you're like, uh, wait a minute, what are you talking about?

But also he's like he would wake up and say, I never said that.

Is this an angel?

Is this a demon?

Is this like we would have to know, like did you do the Born list ritual?

Like did you what are you doing over there?

You know?

I don't know those answers for him yet, you know, And so I don't think that that he's ever been documented as doing the occultic nature like these different etherpiercing rituals, right that the Mormons do that, the Masons do, the theosophy, people do the anthroposophy, like they all do something.

With Casey, I'm gonna have to research that tonight and see did he ever do anything specific?

You know, I think to me, and we can just move right into Casey now, because there's a lot going on there and we're seemed to be moving that way, which is great.

One of the big things with Casey, And just to get people a little background on who he was, just shortly, he was an American claabuoyant who reported and chronicled and ability to diagn those diseases and recommended treatments for ailments while asleep.

That's just one of the things he did.

He also, during thousands of transcribed sessions, he would answer questions on a variety of subjects.

And this is where when you look at the subjects that he was asked and that he was reporting on, I have a tough time buying into was he as devout a Christian as he said he was, because he would talk about subjects like healing, which I don't have a problem with that, But then it was reincarnation.

Then it was dreams, the afterlife, past lives, so in a rector of reincarnation again nutrition, nothing bad there.

Atlantis, Now that's a weird topic for me.

I do tend to think that there wasn't Atlantis at one point.

But is it what the theosophist and what these people who were tapping into the Kastak records saying that these root races came from.

I don't necessarily think that either.

But Casey described himself to your point as a devout Christian, and he denied being a spiritualist or communicating with spirits.

So that's the weird part, because he's answering questions that don't seem very Christian that people are coming to him with.

Now we don't have the answers all those questions either.

Was he giving them the answers of saying, Hey, this isn't real, this isn't right, you should follow your Bible.

You know.

I don't know the answer to that per se.

We just know that he was answering these questions, these weird questions.

And he's also regarded as a founder and the principal source of many characteristics in the New Age movement.

So it's tough for me because a lot of New Agers love him and they follow what he said and follow what he did.

What was this just a corruption of what he did?

On a good sense, I typically think no, But at the end of the day, we don't have the exact answer.

So I'm kind of like you, where I probably lean more towards Yeah, there's a negative thing going on here.

But was he actively knowing he was doing something negative?

I think that's the big question.

You know.

He may have thought that, hey, this is all from God.

I'm going to sleep and I'm giving people the right answers.

And then we always look at things like, okay, look at the Catholic Church.

We'll pick on a different church for a day.

They make these people into idols, right, like like John the Baptist never want to be a statue, and neither did Jesus.

Like and they're kissing like I don't know if you've been to Italy, but you know all the statues, like it's almost rubbed completely off from them, like touching it or kissing it, and you're like, Okay, these people never ask for this though, this is weird, right, Yeah, so maybe he was one of them, Like, and I know that he was literally shocked he was regarded as the sleeping prophet because he really would wake up and say I didn't say that, like I would never say that, like I believe in this, I don't believe in rinehard.

You know, he was really authented by it.

And so I think anytime we invoke and we have to be so careful because like there's a lot of things right Mormonism, you're invoking Catholics invoke on accident, Like these people are doing ancient rituals that they don't understand whether they do them correctly or not.

I don't know if that matters.

If you happen to be what clairvoyant, like you tap into something or you have a certain bloodline or whatever, happens.

And then back to your point, then did something cross the threshold on accident like who knows?

Right?

But if you're invoking it on purpose, if it's purposeful, you're doing these certain rituals, then one hundred percent, one hundred percent, no wavering.

But with Casey ooh, I'm gonna have to see if he ever has been talked about doing a ritual, which I doubt, I doubt.

But if was he Roman Catholic do you know, I don't know if he was.

He wasn't Roman Catholic.

He actually came from a weird sect of Christianity during the Second Great Awakening, and that's where he was really influenced, and he followed the Disciples of Christ.

So it was a church gosh.

He sought to restore the original Christian teachings and practices and he was actually raised in that group well, which was the Disciples of Christ.

The Disciples of Christ.

If it's I'm gonna have to look at this.

So the very first church that you know, Joseph Smith ever founded was called the Church of Christ.

And it's during the same timeframe, the same area.

And actually it wasn't just his ideas his uncle, no his cousin on his grandpa's side, Johnny Smith, was at Yale teaching these things and what was he completely immersed in.

He was like all about Eastern like mysticism type stuff, and he was this language professor and everything.

So I wonder, I've got to look at this.

I wonder if that has anything to do with it's some very similar name.

Generally what I've looked into, and I've looked into it a lot, But the Disciples of Christ there more of a group that was trying to restore primitive Christianity.

They were trying to move Christianity to that phase that was before the Roman Catholic Church that came along, And that's kind of why the Reformation happened when the Protestants came to be, because they were pushing back against what the Roman Catholic Church was trying to turn Christianity into.

I love how people forget that period of time before the Roman Catholic Church came in, because there was this version of Christianity that was true Christianity.

It was that version.

After Christ left, they were persecuted and also the Essenes spawned out of that too, so you had gnostic Christianity that was like slipping around here on the back end.

So then when Roman Catholicism came and said, ah, this is Christianity, well then the essens right.

No, no, we're the real ones.

But the real Christianity was being lost in the shuffle.

And that's when Protestantism came to fruition through the Reformation, was because they were pushing back on all of it and saying that, no, we're trying to restore the primitive part.

Now again, I haven't looked too deep into the Disciples of Christ movement to know exactly all the characters involved with it, and from what I've seen though, it's a lot of Baptists that come out of it.

So they call it the Restoration Movement, and that was in eighteen thirty two, so I.

Guess in this little I had to google it really quick.

It says both denominations have roots in the nineteenth century American Restoration Movement, and the split so they were together occurred around nineteen oh six, when the Churches of Christ began to separate from the Disciples of Christ to maintain practices they believed were mandated by the New Testament.

That's insane, Like, I didn't expect to find that there, even though we know there's a magical rock.

With Casey and you know, talking to things, and anytime there's a rock, even if there's not a hat, you've got my full attention.

Exactly.

And that's why I've been very weird when it comes to case because Casey has these weird things that when you start tracking them back, like, wait a minute, that doesn't really add up with true Christianity.

Even if they're pushing that they're true Christianity, right, there's always some weird mystical element that's involved with it.

And that's typically what it was with Casey.

He had this weird mystical element.

And I want to definitely talk about the Book of Life because that had that really piqued my interest when he attributed the acostic records to that.

But this is another interesting thing about Casey that he wasn't a doctor, and he had these interesting things that happened him not being a doctor, but being able to predict, through quote unquote sleeping readings, how to diagnose people.

So he would either bring people physically in the room with him, like townspeople or whatever else.

Sometimes they'd correspond to him through letters, so they'd write him letters, and he would make his die diagnosis through these sleeping readings.

So if they weren't present, it was sufficient enough if he had the letters.

And so his prescriptions were unorthodoxed and they would include things that you and I might agree with when it comes to taking care of your body, things that would be outside of the mainstream pharmaceutical sources.

He would talk about your diet, magnetism, massage and relaxation, sands on the beach, stuff like that.

You know, it would be, hey, maybe you just need to rest, maybe you wished yourself too hard, things that doctors should probably tell people more, but they're like, hey, you take these pills.

And to your point earlier, he never would take money for his readings.

But that's not always indicative of you being holy either, because sometimes people do that out of a self serving sense of oh good, I'm a good person because I'm not charging people for this, or sometimes it's a deceptive motive too that I'm not charging people for this, but I'm luring them in because of what knowledge I can get them.

And the best part is he did them all in his sleep, all reading prescriptions.

Everything he gave was in this astral realm that he.

Was in and it continues to this day.

Like this is you can go to the Casey like institute or something and the same things apply.

Right, they lay on the beach and there's like these weird things that they do.

But a lot of people say they get healing from it.

Now do I doubt that?

Look, I don't doubt that you could probably heal even yourself with some things, like the power of the mind is so valuable.

But do I think that God does it?

Yeah, for me, it's God, Like I think most of the time it's God.

But do I doubt that?

Like some people with their diet changes and like maybe they're stressed out and relax, Like no, I'm not tossing everything out, but we have to look at the root of it, right, And I mean like even my mom back when I was young, she was super into crystals, and I always used to think, not that it was terrible, right as a kid, I was like, I don't know.

And even as a child, I was like, this just doesn't seem like we need this peace like not saying they're terrible or anything like if it makes you feel better, that's that's your life.

But as for me, I just think that there's nothing between me and God that he can't you know, he can't take on I mean as God.

That's another one of those weird middle ground hops and I've barely.

Touched it on the shrestles, Oh my goodness.

But the interesting thing about these types, especially courts and some of these other ones, they do have inherent properties with them.

They actually have some healing properties that are involved too.

And I don't think God just created them not to do those things.

I think that he did, But it depends on how that you're using them.

Are you sitting there chanting mastras over them?

Are you spreading them around and acting a fool with them using occult practices and rituals.

I know people like that, and they until picture and I'm sorry I laughed.

I can see this right now, Oh my god.

Yeah.

And I don't think they're inherently wrong either.

I'm with you.

I think that they probably do hold vibrational properties and things that are created for good.

Right There's a reason why that people are seeing UFOs going in and out of cave systems that are known to have courts, and they're mining them down there.

Why are they taking it if it doesn't hold some sort of property, right, So I do think there's something to it, but it's also a slippery slope of what you're using them for.

And then it's now you're relying on them, right, And if you start relying on those things, then now you've taken your mind and eyes off of God and know those things have become your idol, have become your God.

And I think that falls right in line with even iconography like the Golden Cast.

It could be like, look, anything can be made to idle, and I think that's the point is balance and everything, right, Like if we use alternative medicine, I use a higer mom right for my back because it hurts all the time.

Is that bad inherently?

No?

No, But like you have to know where your mind is, Like, am I, like you said, chanting running around my house doing some kind of evoking Like I'm not doing that, you know, slap it on, move on with the day, like and I'm definitely putting things in God's hands first.

And I think that's the thing is a lot of people that are gnaustic will say, oh, well you you do that, or you put eucalyptus in your house or something, and then now you're just like me, or you're a pagan.

I said that once.

I said I feel closest to God outside and somebody called me a pagan, and I was like, I mean, are you serious right now?

Like we can't we can't have anything right.

They want us locked into like this whole like this is Christianity and that's all.

And I'm not saying that.

Yeah, it doesn't really work that way.

And I'll tell you an interesting story I don't think I've ever told in this show.

But if you watch the Shape of Shadows film that we did, the way the film starts, you'll see a Native American man.

His name was John, and he worked with us a lot on that trip, and he is from two separate tribes, and he's like a quarter white, and he's traveled the world.

So this guy is just, Oh my god, the knowledge this guy had on so many different aspects of culture and places he'd been, Like, he lived in Turkey for a while, so he had this whole idea of the way the Turkish lived.

But he was very in tune with Native American culture.

But he was also a Christian.

So at the beginning of the film, you'll see him with sage, and you'll see him with sage on the property.

The interesting thing was he was not chanting anything occultic, He was not using any kind of rituals.

He was praying to God, to Yahweh.

He was actually praying to Guy when he did it.

This was just his form of what he believed was his connection to God God.

And I don't know how I feel about that.

We all talked about that when it happened, and from all indications, we talked to him for days.

We were out there for a week, and he seemed like a pretty solid Christian guy, and he knew what demonic entities were.

He wasn't any kind of disillusion with what those things were or to other gods and those type of things.

He believed there was one God.

He believed we had our creator.

He understood that a lot of the practices in Native American culture weren't right, and he was able to differentiate that.

But the sage thing is another aspect of is that just a practice?

Is that just something that he is using in his connection to God, that's how he does It would be very similar to someone getting on their knees and praying to God.

Right, you don't have to get on your knees to pray to God.

You can walk and talk with God.

You can do whatever you want.

That's your connection to God.

So is that his personal connection to God and what he feels like is connecting him to God?

Or is it something that's new age or a cult in nature?

So again, it's kind of a great area, and I do agree with you.

Yeah, they take the correct.

They take And I'm like, Okay, at some point though, like what like what is a ritual versus what is the truth?

And this gets scary, Like honestly, okay, let's play with this one.

God's name Lord?

Do we call him Lord?

Oh?

My gosh.

Then I read a bunch of stuff about Lord, right, and I'm like ah.

And then I read a bunch of stuff and I was like I used to call him father too, And now I'm like ah, And so at what point do they just they're just trying to destroy everything?

Right?

Do I not think that God knows who I'm talking to when I'm talking to God?

Like I'm talking to God and and I mean I try to get specific now, right, Like I'm like the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob or in Jesus Christ of Nazareth name, because at this point I'm terrified, right, because I'm.

I went through a phase like that myself, and I actually got out of it.

And there's some very interesting concepts in the Bible that talk about God's ability to override things that have been brought in to Christianity or just in the world in a negative way.

Right.

We could argue, and this is a description that I use a lot to help people with this, we could argue that our phones are portals, they're scrying tools.

As a matter of fact, we could go all the way back to the father of computers, who was Charles Babbage, who was a major alchemist and occultist who helped bring around the computer.

So the computer itself is built with nefarious purposes.

Every device we have in our home is built with the various purposes.

So are we not allowed to use these devices because we know of the origins of them?

Or does God know our hearts and our true intentions?

Right?

We shouldn't use things if we know their negative right, in the sense of Okay, this is an upside down cross and I'm praying to Lucifer that's not going to work right.

There are things that we know, and also God impresses on your heart what you should and shouldn't do too.

How in tune are you with God, how much you listening to God.

Those things are important.

And I think that if we're constantly looking at the devil behind every bush, we're never going to live a full life because we're never going to enjoy life.

We're always going to see the negative aspects of it.

So to that point, I encourage people to speak to God the way that you want to speak to him and commune with him, because he is your friend.

Now that's a tough concept for people to understand, but he actually is.

He's so much your friend that he came and died for you, So in that aspect, he's even more than that.

But he's not just some being that we can't connect to.

It's tough for our finite minds to think that way.

But when I started getting into more of how I wanted to talk to God.

Sometimes I talk to Holy Spirit.

I talk to that aspect of God.

Sometimes I talk to you, Shoe or Jesus.

I talk to that aspect of God, you know.

Or sometimes I talk to the Father, depending on how I'm feeling it's all going to the same entity, the same being that created us, because it's a trium.

But I do talk to God in different ways because of how I'm feeling.

He knows what my purpose is when I come there.

Sometimes I'm just talking to Him while I'm in the gym working out, or something comes up in my mind while I'm driving down the road.

I think that's important to do that throughout the day because it keeps you in a godly mindset as you move forward.

And it doesn't mean you're not gonna make mistakes.

Doesn't mean you're not gonna, you know, yell at your wife or your husband, or act a fool one day and then you gotta go back and apologize for it, you know what I mean.

It doesn't mean those things because we're human, we're fallible, we make mistakes.

But are we working towards building something greater with Him?

And I think that ropes us back into this occult idea of what these occultists are doing.

Are they doing this for reasons outside of their own ego?

And I just don't think that they are.

Yeah, yeah, And and to your point, pray always and do not ceases in the Bible, and I think that people take there's so many people that are afraid to pray because they think that it has to be like some perfect way.

No, I think listen to what Joel said there.

That's important.

Like if you need God and you need to call on him in your mind and you can't speak that moment because you're in the middle of a grocery store, like you do what you need to do, Like you know, some people say, yeah, just do it anyway and look crazy.

I'm like, okay, but you can only do that so many times, then you can't go to the store anymore, right, and so true.

Yeah, I mean use your mind.

And and I think, you know, with these guys that we're talking about, like it's such a slippery slope.

And man Steiner, like, I look at so many things he said, and I'm like, he seems great on the surface level.

Dig a little deeper, Alice Bailey, same thing, Dig a little deeper, Madam BLAVASKI, Like it's some of them are just like Croly where he's like, yeah, I just don't care.

I don't care if I look bad whatever, you know, I got mine.

He's kind of that guy, right, But you know with this stuff.

I mean, how many musicians you're a musician, how many people do you know that are like, oh, that song, it was just a download and then it's like a weird song, right, like black Hole song.

Several Yeah, well, here's something interesting too.

And I talk to Tony about this, and I don't think I've ever talked about this on the show.

When I write music, I typically write fairly fast.

I can write an entire song in thirty forty five minutes sometimes, and I don't necessarily remember all aspects of it.

And I know that I'm in tune with God, and I know that when I sit down to write, there is a cognitive process that I'm a part of.

It's not like I'm taken over by something and it's some sort of automatic writing or something that these occults go through.

But there is an aspect of a spiritual download from God.

There is an absolute aspect of that.

I always say that the negative side is just a corruption of the good.

It's kind of like when we talk about astrology, right, it's a corruption of the Mazaroth, because the Mazaroth was the zodiac that was created by God that showed us through the stars of Jesus coming and what his impact would be on the earth.

The astrology which was taught by fallen entities in the Book of Enoch.

They handed astrology over to mankind.

This was the corruption of that.

So we have to look at that in every aspect that there's always this good counterpart.

So the download exists when you are connected to the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit gives you the download.

You know there's a way, And I know some pastors that talk about this frequently.

They will pray to God before they sleep to give them the answers.

They will wake up the next morning with the answer.

They've got it.

It happened in their dreams.

They get the download and it is given to them.

We have to stop as Christians being fearful of the astral, being fearful of the spiritual aspect of reality, because that is an important part of us.

I think the deception is that Christianity gets you away from the spiritual aspects that we're supposed to be in tune with, which we originally were in the Garden of Eden.

What's happened is specifically through the Roman Catholic Church has devoided us away.

And I bring the Romantholic Church only because they were the first ones to make Christianity this world religion right.

They over time devoided us away from the supernatural aspects of the Bible, while simultaneously you had the gnostics and the occultant on the other end offering the answers but in a convoluted, deceptive way.

So you had both of these going on at the same time, and from the outside looking in, you've got two aspects of Christianity fighting each other, when actually the true aspect of Christianity is something devoid of both of them, is the aspect of we are in tune with God in the spiritual world, just not through rituals and occult practices and us becoming God.

That's the difference between the two.

We can receive the download.

There are times I prayed and woke up the next morning.

I could even say recently.

I prayed, was trying to correct correct, and I was in kind of a battle about what I need to do about something, and I prayed about it as I was going to sleep, and I actually received it when I woke up around two, three in the morning, four in the morning, I don't remember it was.

I woke up and I was half asleep.

But the answer was there.

Oh that's the answer, and now I'm very very much in tune with that's what I need to do.

But that was because that I went to the Father.

I went directly.

I didn't ask for Gabriel or sami L or any of these emissaries.

That's not what you're talking to.

I'm not talking to past saints.

I'm talking directly to the Creator.

And I think that's what's been missing from Christianity is.

The ability to go directly to the source, right or making it your own ghost library, as in the case of you know, many of these people like how easy would it be to disguise something that you learn from a being that you're invoking purposely, and they know how to do this and they do it.

There's so many rituals I already mentioned one, you know, there's so many rituals that they do.

And then they're like, oh, but it just came to me.

No, No, it just came to you because you prayed and that was all.

And some people are going to come at us and say, well, that's a ritual too.

Look, we could debate this all day long.

That's like reading.

That's like reading some of this work.

Everything is nothing and nothing is everything, and everything has God and nothing is God.

And I mean, if you want to go crazy, just read read all that for on and on.

You'll never get your answer and you don't feel fulfilled.

But how do you feel when you read the book?

You know, like it's different.

So yeah, I'm sure people will say what they want with it.

I mean, especially Gnostics because they, you know, they have their own views on things and Christian mysticism and magical practices and all the things that go along with it.

And I'm not saying it doesn't work.

It does.

It does.

Absolutely, Yeah, I completely agree with you, And coming from someone who was involved with those practices, I can tell you verbatim they work.

I would do something and an entity would appear and give me some sort of answer or give me some sort of deception, which I would realize, even when I wasn't following God, I would realize two weeks later, that was right.

They tricked me.

Then you're mad, But then you still want to get to them because you know they've got something for you.

And that's kind of how they get you on the hook too.

They might give you a little something like well they did give me this though, So this happened, and you get that in your mind, and that's how they get you roped into and listen, all occultis gnostics will tell you that entities can deceive.

And they'll even say, we'll talk directly on the next episode about Rudolph Steiner speaking specifically to the fact that entities can resent themselves as something good and they're not actually good.

But then how do you differentiate that?

Right you're in this astral realm with them, how do you know?

Oh, because we've done enough practice, we've done enough rituals.

So once you've achieved that level, then you know when they're good or not.

You know, You don't when you're in that astral realm, you do not know.

And I can tell you that right now we are not capable enough to know the difference and to get to that acastic record again.

And this Edward Casey idea of it being the Book of life.

So this was an interesting concept too.

And I'm going to go to Revelation in twenty twelve and John talks about this from Patmos and he says, I saw the dead, small and great stand before God and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of life.

We're judged out of these things which are written in the books according their works.

So if we want to go even further, the Book of Life could also represent our bio identification fingerprints, irises, DNA, it could have everything encoded in it.

So the idea of the acoustic records being a real thing, I think it is, and I think it's the Book of Life, but I don't think that the human can tap into the actual Book of Life.

Now is it a deceptive book of life that's being represented this acastic records?

I think so.

And I think these entities that are masquerating as good angels, they probably are angels, but they're masquerating is that they're presenting this information from this quote unquote book of life, that they are giving information out that this is good, it's from the actual book of life.

To talk about it in the Bible.

Just give this to the person asking the questions in Casey's case, or go to people and give them this information and we can start this religion, this cult, or this organization out of it.

And that's what typically happens.

To your point earlier where you said that they go write this book yeah.

Constant, constant.

I'm like, yeah, geez, every single one of these people, Like if you look at not just weird cults, and we're religion, just religion.

And I think to your point, it's it is to distract us from connection with God.

And how well does it work if your brain is so busy, like, oh, I've got to do this, and I've got to do that, and I've got to do this, and you know, church duties here there everywhere, or your stuff that you did, you know, lodge stuff here there everywhere, meetings.

I mean, you're so busy that I don't know that you ever take time to really connect, right, and then you just want to not out like and then there's people tapping into this stuff now with ayahuasca and all these different things that they're using, And I'm like, hey, did you ever think maybe you're going into somewhere you shouldn't be, Like, I don't doubt you.

I went to a realm, But what if you're not supposed to be there, and what if this is really bad?

You know, whether it's clairvoyant or drug induced or or fear induced for me, you know, with the temp agreed and to.

That clairvoyant piece.

This kind of drives us into a character called Harmon Hertzel Bro.

His last name is literally Bro.

So I thought that was funny.

I was.

I thought I'd read a miss type or something.

Bro.

I've never heard somebody's last name Bro.

What's up Bro?

But it's literally Bro br And yeah, Harmon Bro literally his name.

He was a professor of philosophy and religion, and he specialized in parapsychological aspects of religious life.

And he delved in like meditation, faith, healing, mystical experiences, and conversion.

And he lived and worked with Casey, and he was one of the witnesses to more than six hundred psychic readings.

And Bro's task was to write where Casey would find each patient and correspondent and in the book that he wrote, because he wrote the most extensive book on Edgar Casey of anybody out there.

It's super extensive.

Also, he was a ordained minister in the Disciples of Crisis as well.

By the way, so interesting, So I'm going to read a couple of excerpts from the book.

It's fascinating how on point though that Edgar Casey's readings were.

And this is another part that made me think that Edgar Casey really had more nefarious things going on with him, whether knowingly or unknowingly, because some of the verbiage that came out of the readings.

So this is Bro.

In his book, he says, for medical aid, this meant giving him the exact street address and sometimes an apartment or office at that location.

In the past, he had shown that he would, if directed to the wrong place, patiently describe it in full and accurate detail, right down to the paint on the walls and stuffing in a mattress.

For searching for the person he could search for them in his readings, he would pinpoint them, very similar to the CIA now, and they have people who can remote view.

It's very similar to remote viewing.

But when properly guided.

He would repeat after his wife the complete address and then seemed to move us through in nerring orbits by citing out loud the state, then the city, then the street, and the building, concluding often with an aside on what he observed at the site, before firmly stating check this, yes, we have the body.

Now.

Note that Casey, and this is what Bro's writing.

He says, Note that Casey employed the first person plural we.

He used the term the body to indicate he had found the seeker's page in the acastic records, so we is plural.

It's not just Casey, it's him and something else that are finding this in the acostic records.

Now it continues.

There were colorful complications, and address I supplied for a man in Los Angeles was one we later found to be incorrect.

Casey promptly commented that it was the wrong address, and his wife hesitantly suggested that he tried to locate the person anyway with something like a groan he observed of Los Angeles, and he repeated in his dreams now or in his sleep, mighty big place.

After a lengthy pause, he found the man in a huge urban tangle and presented to give the reading full of accurate personal details.

He was able to track a dude down without even the info, and it was the right information.

But that was that verbage, And I told you I was gonna get to that crazy verbage where I feel like there's more to Casey in a nefarious part, whether he knew it or not, because he said, we have found the person who's we never said, well.

And fascinating enough, like I said, I did mention a stone, and I'll go out more on this, you know later, But the two Eyes stone.

He talks about this, you know, And I just wonder, you know what, maybe he never told the truth, right like look at what happened, which also Smith like everybody thought he was in that oh or like you know, they followed him.

It was one of the two.

So maybe he kept it to himself because of that, right, Like, I don't know for sure.

I don't disagree with that.

Yeah, And maybe Casey was smart enough to keep the hidden cold aspects of what he was doing away, specifically because he was so adamant that he was a devout Christian and he wasn't a spiritualist, so he made that a point to let people know that.

So if he was doing that, but he did things in secret that were tapping into the astral realm and talking to entities we never know.

Well, and no, it works because Pooharic, I mean, look like poohar gets into all this stuff.

And again, what do we get into like materials that help block things.

This is why we get into Faraday cages, blah blah blah, all these things.

So obviously we know that some people can do this, and apparently Casey was one, you know, so.

Yeah, absolutely he was.

And as I was digging through the Casey stuff, I got some very interesting things for some other people that are just kind of in passing that I thought was kind of cool.

We could end this with unless you have some more things to add about Casey.

So if you have a few more things add about Casey, we could do that now, and then I could I think, I think.

I'll wrap it with that, and then if I bring some stuff tomorrow then, you know, just because I didn't have all my notes on Casey because I brought Steiner.

But I want to make sure that I don't miss anything.

I am gonna do a little research on him and just make sure I did miss it.

Yeah, No, that's no problem all because it'll fit right in with where we're moving into with Rudolf Steiner, because that's going to be the heavy hitter on what Rudolph really thought about these Acashic records.

But there were a couple other people, three in particular, that I thought was really interesting.

There was a guy, he was an Indian mathematician.

His name was three Nivasa ruman Ajan and he was the man who knew infinity.

He had no training in pure mathematics until the age of ten, and his contributions to various mathematical sub feels is insane.

Here's the best part.

When he was brought in he was running circles around guys who had been studying mathematics for forty years.

They didn't even know how he was doing it.

But he tells you how he attributed his intuitive genius to a Hindu goddess.

In his dreams, he would see blood drops that symbolized her male consort, and he would afterward be presented with visions of scrolls on which were written complex mathematical formulas.

And he said, this is I'm quoting.

An equation for me has no meaning unless it represents a thought of God.

So he was also a very early person to describe the Acostic records.

Now he ever used those words per se, but this is what he was tapping into, into this astral realm.

He was meeting with this Hindu goddess and through the blood drops that symbolize through a male consort, these mathematical equations would appear in these scrolls in his dreams, and then he would wake up and he would have all this knowledge.

He was literally gifted the knowledge from the gods.

I mean, there's no other way you could say it.

He literally was.

And all of the people that heard him say that discredited him.

But what they couldn't do was discredit what he knew.

He was running circles around them at the University of Cambridge.

As a matter of fact, he was the first Indian to become a fellow of Trinity College in Cambridge.

And I've talked about Trinity College a lot, because every great alchemist, occultist, or mind has come out of Trinity College.

For the most part.

Crowley, did we know that Charles Babbage, We talked about him.

There are so many And when I'm researching these people, wait a minute, they went to Trinity College.

To this is crazy.

They're all getting pumped out of Trinity College.

And he was literally receiving this knowledge from a Hindu goddess in this astral realm and waking up and then running circles around the people that were also mathematicians but had been doing it for many years more.

He was running circles around them before ten.

He didn't even have formal training until he was ten years old and he was crushing it at like six years old.

Wow, And this is where they think that, well, this is what people who believe in tapping into the ecastic records say.

They think that child prodigies are actually autistic or even people that are autistic, that have this crazy knowledge about something that they're able to tap into the ecostic and this is where they're getting the knowledge from.

And they're just able to do it because they're tapping into this, Well, what case he's talking about the Book of Life or the encoding of every person past president in future.

They're pulling from it.

So when you're pulling from that, if you're able to, then you just know what to do.

Now, if we want to say that the download exists and these people are receiving it from a good place, which I think that that is a high possibility, then yeah, these people might be right.

But then there's this aspect of man.

You're talking to a Hindu goddess and she's dropping blood everywhere, and the blood drops are turning into scrolls and they're giving you the knowledge.

There's no other explanation for it.

And even the people that hated what he said about it could not combat the results, and he has what they call the Lost Notebook, and it was discovery from his last year of life.

Mathematicians to this day are still trying to figure out everything in that book.

And it was discovered in nineteen seventy six.

They're still trying to figure it out.

It's so far advanced beyond their minds now.

And that's where for sure he was tapping into some sort of entity that was given this knowledge.

Oh yeah, well, and every time it goes back to math for these things.

So I'm not saying it's evil or anything.

I'm not saying it's not God.

I'm just saying there's a pattern there.

So you know, John d loved math.

He said God was all math, And I'm not saying that it's not.

Look, I'm not.

I just find it an interesting, like maybe this is a god or not the God?

Right, Like I typically go to the idea that everything is math, and I think that what we're given, if it's given from entities, is the corrupted version of that.

So I do think there's a perfect order, and I think that the way things are built are through math.

Everything has to work precisely right, everything has to move precisely for things to operate in our mass existence, and if one little thing is off, everything crumbles.

So we have to look at it from that aspect.

But where you getting your info from, right?

What is it?

And is it the corrupted version?

Goodness, it's wild.

That's a whole wild one.

But the fact that he's considered, if not the but one of the top two or three mathematicians of all time, most considered the best of all time.

But you know, there's obviously some people would argue some other people, but he's considered in that top pantheon.

To this day.

They can't figure out everything that he was coming up with.

I haven't heard of this one.

That's that's wild.

It's really wild.

And the fact that he is intertwined at the same college as the fellow of Trinity College is also wild because so many names that come out of the Fellows are involved in all kinds of secret societies and even started secret societies.

So it's fascinating when you get down the rabbit hole of Trinity College and what was really going on there, And even to this day we could argue it's interesting.

But yeah, he's an interesting character and I do believe that he was definitely tapping into some sort of download for sure on that one.

That one, I mean, whoa, it's wild.

So we got another one, Elizabeth Chadwick, and she's a little more modern.

She's still alive, and she was born in nineteen fifty seven and she's the author of historical fictions and most of her novels are from the medieval period, and she'll incorporate a lot of real historical characters in her books, and she does a lot of research to try to make it historically accurate on one point, but then it's highly fictional on the other end.

So she she has been writing these books, and she started with The Wild Hunt, which came out in nineteen ninety.

But she was peddling books for a while.

She was winning awards, but nobody would really take her on board to publish her.

Well, she ended up getting with a publishing company and she ended up getting really big and she's written tons and tons of books.

This is interesting and you can go to her website and check this out, which I did, And she has an entire website page on her website called the Akashak Record.

And she has a friend called Alison King.

They've been friends since they were children, and Alison King also has a website, which, interestingly enough, when I went to the original website and clicked on where it said click care to visit Alison's website broken link, it doesn't exist anymore.

It's not even around.

So I'm like, okay, well, you can't reach it out to her now because she was a consultant and a kashic consultant is what she called herself.

So here's what's interesting.

So they're hanging out and Alison tells her because she's getting stumped with this book.

And Alison tells Elizabeth that what are you looking for?

She's like, well, I can't find this king's wife in anywhere in history.

I'm doing all this research, I can't find it.

And she said, would you be willing to let me look for her?

And at the time, Elizabeth wasn't really down with this stuff, and she knew that her friend was the psychic and she was involved with these things, and she was a Reikie healer all these different New Age practices.

But she said, you know why not?

So she literally pinpoints down this king's wife and then eventually when she looks up the wife and then goes to historians with it, because she also confers with historians it's the right wife.

And so she's been going to this Acasic Cipher who's her friend, to help write her books for this whole time, and she's literally written about it on her website.

WO She's like, listen, I do all this research, but what I can't find I go to her and she finds it.

And then she goes back and takes that info and runs it through the filter of her historical friends and they'll say, yeah, this actually matches up.

We look this up, we're able to find it and it matches up.

So she's definitely tapping into some sort of a Kashak record to help her write these books.

And this is modern, This is very modern that this is happening.

I was just blown away with that because it means that whatever people are tapping into when they think that they're getting into the Akashak record, books, book of life, whatever you want to call it, whatever they are actually tapping into, which I believe are these nefarious entities.

They know a lot, they know a whole lot, and they've been watching us since the dawn of time, and they're able to say, if you got a being that's supernatural.

Eternal has seen things from the very beginning, since they were created, all the way to now they can get gave you the info like you're so special and you're able to tap into this mysterious realm and find out these things.

It happens, and I think that that's how it's happened.

Oh yeah, well, and I don't know if you know this, but Stephanie Meyer the Twilight series, she says the same thing happened to her.

She doesn't call it the Eco records, and she's a Mormon, and she said that this yep, that these were given to her like ding like and she just wow, I know they're not historical, but it's very it's very interesting.

Yeah, even JK Rowling says that.

And what did she get tattooed on her?

After you know, Salve and Guagula the whole thing.

Like I'm not saying everything's nefarious, like you said, right, Like they take the things and make it nefarious and that's just a statement.

But it's interesting, very interesting.

Super interesting, And I think it gets us to our last little person I wanted to bring up because I don't think anybody knows about this is the artist Prince and it's super interesting.

So there's a lot of conspiracies around Prince.

People have heard tons of different ones why he died.

Was it really of the reasons they said, There's so many different things because Prince would allude to so many esoteric things throughout his life, and he also alluded to the powers that be, and that was something that he talked about a lot, well towards the back end of his life.

And he died in twenty sixteen, but we're talking about the early two thousands.

He became a Jehovah's witness, and he also got into Egyptian monotheism, and he really got deep into the New Age too, and he wrote an album and came out with an album in November twentieth of two thousand and one.

And you're gonna trip out with the name Rainbow Children.

So if you know anything about the Rainbow Children, and the Rainbow Children are just an offshoot of the Indigo Children, which are star seeds.

So these are are the hybrids of aliens or what they say, extraterrestrials and us, and we star seeds have this DNA in them, this what bloodline in them that makes them special, that makes them able to tap into these abilities that normal people can.

So he names this entire album Rainbow Children.

And this was after he became Jehovah's witness and he got deep into the New Age, and he wrote a song called family Name.

The intro of the songs that we're concerned with, not the actual lyrics of the song.

So he does an intro where he's talking before he starts singing, and it says, welcome.

You have just accessed the Acostic Records Genetic Information Division.

This program is required for those wishing to obtain a marriage blessing from the Kingdom.

When you wish to begin this program, place your right hand on the scanner and tightly clench up your butt cheeks as you might feel a slight electrical shock.

Please select the race history you desire.

You have selected African American.

This is your history.

Then he goes to sing about out He's African American history and all that, but he is saying he was able to write this by tapping into the Acastic Records, and this is out of Prince's own mouth and his own song.

Oh man, wow, that's a lot.

That's a lot to untack right there, especially knowing that he was weirdly fearful of he knew how he was going to die, and then he died that way like he'd been singing about that forever, Like if you go back in his old songs like don't let the Elevator take me down, blah blah blah, he dies in an elevator like it makes you wonder, And he learned to play every instrument right like he was yep.

I mean, like some of these people.

And I'm not saying kids could ever be held accountable right, like when you're young, but if you're raised a certain way, you're more susceptible to things as you grow older and become like maybe than an accountability age.

I don't know what age that is, but that's you know, That's how I feel about right, And it makes you wonder these child prodigies like it.

Just I'm not saying it's bad, like I think you could use it for good, but so often it gets used for I mean senseless stuff like this lady's writing books and he's just singing songs like and I'm not saying it wasn't a great artist like I love Prince, but also like what did that do to change the world, like ultimately right, right, And then I mean, are you are you a tool in this thing's hand to keep people distracted?

Like you know, do you know the story about how how the Apple Phone was like the idea for it came to be.

I've heard different aspects of it, but it's just weird.

This is a weird little story and I have to vet it.

So this is just like a rumor story that I'm going to tell you.

They say that, you know, Steve Jobs was a yogi He was super into weird like yogi stuff, and he was on this trip right to India, I think it was India.

Don't quote me, guys, because it's been a while since I read this.

And he said that he went to this cave where there was like a bornless one, right, like you should recognize someone of this because he was he had no mother and father and he was just a person that appeared like he was never born kind of, And that he goes into this cave and talks to this kid.

It's supposedly a kid.

Which remember, people can they can be anything.

If they know you're gonna be more susceptible to be okay with a kid.

They could be a kid.

They know you, they know you.

They say they're familiar spirits for a reason.

And so he goes in there and he ends up getting really sick.

He almost eyes on this trip.

But he said that this kid told him everything about what to do to build the phone, and then he never let his kids have one.

Yeah, very interesting And I haven't heard that one at all.

And this wasn't a Yogi book, that's true.

It was like a legit thing.

It was like not as silly, you know, it was a Yogi book I was studying.

Wow, So that is interesting.

But it also lends the idea of the download and what the entity like you said, would project itself to be that would make you feel the most comfortable.

And why wouldn't he let his kids have phones or tablets ever?

Like that's telling Well, yeah, and everything surrounding his own death too is very very interesting and why that happened.

So yeah, that is wild, Heidi, I haven't heard that before.

And now I'm gonna go look all that up about Steve jobs in this mysterious child that he met in a cave and makes me think about what even the theosophists would talk about the caves.

The cave is considered the womb, It's considered the birthing of where these entities the gods meet with man.

So that also lends direct into his experience in the cave.

You know, you know who else was in caves, Joseph Smith.

There's a whole bunch of stuff about him being in caves doing weird rituals with his buddy Sidney Rigdon.

I'm just saying these things.

It doesn't always go back to Mormonism, but it does always go back to woo woo weird stuff.

It just does.

It does.

Yeah, And just to piggyback off what you just said about Mormonism, Alistra Crowley spent a lot of time in the Mammoth Caves when he was here in the United States, and nobody knows what he was doing there.

And he only said he was there for two weeks he was in the caves.

Nobody knows what he was there.

And then tons of weird stuff happened outside of that too, And that's going to be a part of the film that I'm putting on.

So well, Yeah, and here nobody knows that about him, like, like why was he obsessed with that?

Right?

And every time he goes on these mountain trips.

I'm not going to ruin it for people.

Some weird stuff happens, so absolutely.

Yeah, big part of what he did was being a mountaineer, and there's something to be said to go within the womb or the cave, but there's also something to be said by going to the high place and meeting with entities on the high Place, and I think that's where people were probably receiving these downloads or connecting what they think is the acastic records.

And I think this is probably a good place for us to stop today.

And next week we will really drop the heat on Rudolph Steiner and we'll definitely talk about Edgar Casey as well some but definitely we're gonna really go hard with Rudolf Steiner because his stuff is absolutely complex and fascinating when it comes to the Akashak and what is what he received when he was in the Akashak really wild.

It'stuff wild, and he is not one that you can the reason why we had to do this, Like we said before, over sixty two hundred lectures, not counting other things he was up to.

He was doing some stuff, so it's it's a lot.

Well, guys, we had a blast with you today.

Hid if you can tell everyone where to find you what you do before we get out of here.

You bet.

And so I am Heidi love of the Unfiltered Rise.

I am everywhere podcasts are served.

I do have my own website, Unfiltered Rise podcast dot com.

If you don't want to be on a podchaser and instagram x, all those things still at Unfiltered Rise.

So if you check me out, I would appreciate it.

I do cover a lot of Mormonism.

If you've never seen me before, I'm an ex Mormon, but I cover a lot of things that go into the occult, which never thought that would be my willhouse ever in my whole life.

So but here I am.

And I appreciate Joel so much for entertaining me with the things that I know he is also set to discover and put out there.

It's a weird place to be as a Christian, isn't it?

Gel It is?

But I think there's a place for it, because if we can understand the enemy thoroughly, then we understand how the enemy is going to attack us.

And I think that it's not everyone's calling to do that.

But I'm confident that that's my calling and it seems to be yours, and it seems to be a way that we can talk about what we went through in our past to also connect it to what we're doing now in the future.

And for other people who are dabbling or considering, or are asking questions about things that they don't quite understand.

And there's plenty of quote unquote teachers out there that are ready to give it to you, and not necessarily in the right way.

And some of these teachers might even be from this earth, so there's that too.

But guys, I had a blast.

Check out my new song Imposture on the way out.

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I got plenty of new merch up on the store, and you know what it is, guys, go outside, touch grass and get your tail out the whole my resolutions.

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Car with all of these clowns.

Don't feel like I belonged.

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On that.

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Seeing that.

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