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On Monthly mon.

This is a a specially spooky edition of Monthly Mormon Monday.

It's the October special, and we're going to talk about Mormon witchcraft and the connection between Joseph Smith and Salem witch Trials and magical Talismans and like a surprise, something new that Heidi's going to drop that I don't even know about.

So she she said that she wasn't gonna tell me.

Behind stage we were talking for a while.

She wouldn't drop any of it.

She's like, it's going to have to be a surprise on the show.

So this is Heidi Love.

I'm parano American.

What what do you got?

What's the what's the Halloween surprise?

Oh?

Man?

Do I have some stuff about Salem for you?

And you know, I love the research that I find when I don't mean to find it.

That's like the best, most favorite kind of research.

Because I was just researching for a spooky season show.

I interviewed a really famous author that does the Salem witch trials and Marilyn.

Roach, and so you know she the author, Marilyn Roach.

I think it's Mary Anna or Marilyn.

I can't remember how she spells she spells it different, but yes, last name Wroach.

She does six the six Women of Salem and six Men of Salem coming out soon.

So I like shout her out because she has been doing this research for twenty seven years.

And I even told her something she didn't know, so I felt kind of proud.

I was like, hmm, and I'm gonna share it because I'm going to share my screen soon as soon as we get into this.

Okay, all right, Well, I mentioned that this this won't be a complete rehash or anything, but for anyone that's not familiar, one of the most interesting parts, Like, again, mormonas is so weird.

There's so many things you're like, Oh, by the way, did you know that Joseph Smith was married to the widow of Captain Morgan, the guy that spawned the anti Masonic Party.

Okay, what a weird, interesting coincidence.

Oh, by the way, did you also know that he is a blood relative of someone that was an instigator, a key player at the Salem witch trials.

And we've talked about this before and you mentioned that one of the one of your interpretations of this is that it's almost like, hey, look, she's a witch, and she's a witch and just start throwing some accusations because he was the witch.

And it's better if you kind of like put the blame on everyone else as like a misdirection that I don't know, Cannon, I don't think the Church agrees with that particular interpretation.

Well, I definitely think they'd rather us steer clear from Massachusetts all the way clear.

They always say, like if you talk to anybody, like if I asked you, hey, where did all the stuff happen with the Mormons and Joseph Smith?

Originally you would probably say, do you know, I don't know New York, right, Palmyra is there?

Like Holy Grail is Elvira around there too?

I don't know about Elvira, but Palvira is there.

And so people want to, you know, basically take their whole past life and say, oh, it just started over here.

No it didn't, that's not what they're from.

And so I started doing, you know what I do best, doing a little genealogy research.

I guess it rubbed off my grandma was a genealogy Mormon missionary.

How gross is that?

So yeah, I guess following in the.

Literally no pun intended.

It's in their blood, right, It's in Mormon's blood to be obsessed with genealogy.

Absolutely, it is because they need to do necromancy, and they can't do necromancy until they get the names.

They need.

The names.

Even your name, even your family's name, don't matter.

If true.

I've never heard that it makes sense.

So you need to know a dead person's name in order to perform necromancy with them.

So we need their name, their date of birth, their date of death, where they lived, and where they get married.

And they're talking about the Mormon baptismal baths, right, not just that.

Then they do your temple work after that.

So what else did they do after the bath?

I thought the bath was it?

Oh no, no no.

And we even have people writing this is hysterical, and I wish I could remember the guy's name.

But JJ told me about this guy that wrote in his will, do not let these damn Mormons baptize me after I die.

And it was before it was before it even came out.

And then I was like what, So he had the whole historical document.

It made me laugh and I was like, why is he talking about this before they even have it?

It wasn't out yet.

Realistically, you can't prevent Mormons from baptizing you after you die.

Nope, they don't even need your body.

Yep, they don't need crap.

They just need a very distant relation, so it can be as distant as the day is long.

Has to be your family, and if you're part of that family, even if it's a step family or whatever, they're gonna baptize you, and then they're going to seal you to your spouse for time and all eternity, so I hope you didn't hate them.

And then they're going to seal your children to you, and then they're also going to do your temple rights.

So that's all the things they do.

Can they undo any of that?

I mean technically no, Technically I'm still married to my first husband for a time.

You can't, like say in reverse or something and like undo.

What if you accidentally seal the wrong kid to the wrong parent, like someone loves the paperwork.

Right, It could be that, But usually they'll just say, oh, God works that out in heaven and I can have another guy.

If I want to get good into the church and I want to go back to the temple, I can have somebody step in for my ex husband and be his proxy, and now he's they just switch places.

It's like, you don't Yeah, it's weird.

And if God works it all out in heaven anyways, why the hell are we doing his paperwork for him?

Yeah?

I don't know.

I don't know.

They always have a double ended answer to everything.

It's very hope we're not manning Mormon here too much right off the bat.

I love it that.

The Fair article on the Bigfoot story was my favorite because they were like, how gullible do you people have to be to believe that Cain was bigfoot?

And then they go in anyways, he wasn't even there, and so I was like, wait, what did you just say it?

I thought he wasn't a thing.

But if he was there, it's not important because ye no, And then they go about some other way of explaining it, and I was like, wait, no, just stick with the first answer and second of all, Mormon Church, if you really want to solidify things, just say yeah, yeah he is, yep, he's bigfoot, because then if you do that, how are they gonna prove you wrong?

Duh?

Get a new here.

Honestly, that's another it's another selling point that they're leaving on the table.

I think because if they if they came out and they said, look, we're we're also the religion, you know, the whole pork.

It's the other white meat campaign.

It's like, no, it's not that's not really white meat.

They'll get me.

It's just a marketing campaign.

There should be an alternate Mormon campaign, like it's the other white magic or something.

And they say, look, we got the hats, we got the ormond thumb, and we got the talisman and the nudes and the frogs.

What are you gonna do about it?

It's a magical time, and we've got we believe in Bigfoot, we believe in planets, we believe in inner dimensions, we believe in reincarnation.

I really do.

Did you get a whole influx of people that thought that you had to be a dirty hippie in order to get in with any of that stuff, And they don't realize there's a version of that where you can still shave and take showers right no death, and.

Wear a tie.

Yeah you can still wear your little type tie.

That's cutting off your you know, oxygen to your brain.

But no, they just don't do any of that, and instead they went the CIA route and they're like, let's just mk ultra everybody.

That'll be fine.

So I don't know why they won't, you know, just fly with the magic.

They're definitely related to it.

Well, let's let's justify the title so it's not just it's not clickbait, not craft.

So my understanding from Heidi, from Heidi's bias perspective, that's going to get me maybe excommunicated before I even get.

A chance down.

But they'll just be mad at me.

I'm not even excommunicated, So.

Correct me or build onto this if I've got any of this wrong.

But that Mormon early Mormon beliefs were essentially American folklore, all kind of bundled up together.

It was it was like a cult folklore.

Well, okay, magic.

They definitely like to say occult magic.

It's kind of my most unfavorite thing to say because it's really solemonic magic.

And you know, we're going to look at the family from this place.

Yeah, yeah, it's more occult.

It's it's way more occult than folk magic.

It's a different branch.

But I mean, you know, it sounds better, it sounds less sounds less scary, right, Solemonic magic sounds like ooh spooky?

But is this true?

Light?

Am I am?

I not going to get in for having horrible connections in my past?

Or what's get baptized?

No, if you get baptized, it's all forgiven.

You get it.

Have one like why is the back?

Why do they care so much about the baptist and they can just do it after I die?

Like why did?

Why do they need me to do it now?

On live?

Yeah?

I mean you gotta you gotta work that out with somebody that you know and get that snuck in if you want to go that route.

But you are a menace to society because you don't have a wife yet remember.

This, okay?

Is that?

Is that like make you worse the criminal?

No, it used to be the thing, but it's not anymore.

But I still think it's funny.

And you still have to have three wives or not going to heaven.

The f ld IS still believe a lot of this stuff.

So it depends on which branch you go to, depends on if you want to be homish or not.

You want to be homish, are there?

Now?

There's a lot of work involved being homish.

You're like raising barns and stuff full time?

Are you right?

Are there secret polygamies?

And like because to be official like outwardly polygamist, you got to be kind of living against the law.

Some go to Mexico, some of them going on these little cult compounds where like they kind of know they're doing that, but they just don't feel like dealing with it.

But are like, how how frequent is it in just a normal neighborhood that one guy just has three wives and they just aren't like they kind of hide it a little bit.

Oh no, one hundred percent.

No, one hundred percent, that's happening in the FLDS.

That's basically how they do it.

And they did it so well, and they did something called bleeding the beast, and that's where they were getting paid out, you know a lot of welfare checks and food stamps and stuff for these other wives because technically, by law, you can only be married to one wife right at a time.

So these other ones are single ladies just having your babies.

And they did that for a little while and then the government didn't think that was very funny, so they got in trouble.

Yeah, they don't they still, you know, they believe.

You know, we're going to talk about the White Horse prophecy sometime.

And I if I were a person who had never been affiliated with Mormonism in my life, I don't know that I would trust anybody that was a Mormon in that capacity, because capacity in any kind of governmental capacity, because they're going to be loyal first to the church period.

That's the way it works.

Yeah, whatever you want to hear.

Yeah, Okay, I mean, I see what you're saying, and I agree with you.

I would I would say maybe that we could find a system where it's built in that you know, people that that are part of government are going to act in their own self interests and against the interests of the great and that you just have something that counters that that, like, you know, just the same way that capitalism is an imperfect system, but it's great because it incorporates greed, like it's it's built around greed and not in ignorance of it.

So maybe there needs to be like a government that this understands that people are going to like turn into like little cabal and try and run things.

Let's review something really quickly before I go into tonight's presentation.

Let's review something called the Cult of the Blacksticks, okay and Cult of the Blacksticks.

And this is important because of what we're talking about currently.

And what this is is they swore an oath when Joseph Smith died that they would not only just go against the government, but they would get them back.

They would get back the government.

And then some and these people that swore into this Cult of the Blacksticks got the coffin canes that were all bloody and disgusting from the coffin bodies rotting away for months and months, and then they took them and they made them into canes, and funny enough, they're oak kines.

I've been doing a lot of studying on the Golden Bough.

That's been really helpful to me.

And you know, I find it fascinating that they made these oak knes and then they took the hair from the brothers and put them in the knob here and these are real.

You can go see them at the Church History Museum.

Thank you, Christopher anti dumbass that we appreciate you.

Why I didn't even see sorry, but yeah, so you can go go do that.

But they swore an oath to get vengeance against the government because of justice and death.

So would I trust that one hundred percent?

I mean, ah, the Kings of Martyrdom, I just don't know.

I don't know.

I kind of commiserate, like I've got some bones to pick too.

I'm not going to say I'm anti American, but I feel anti government.

Yeah, but to a point where did you build an office in your house for when you become president?

Like they did that at the Temple in Washington, d C.

In fact, they made a complete replica of you know, the Capital's presidential office so that when.

Wait, so have you ever heard of Nathan Fielders the rehearsal series.

I'm not okay, that's it's actually a plot line and it's like a reality comedy show.

But and talk to the House of Representatives.

And he recreates the like that little room that you go in and he practices over and over what he's going to say to like this board of people.

And but you're saying the Mormons did this hundreds of years before.

U to the TV show.

Oh yes, oh yeah, you know.

It's one of these things where we see it and we go, hmm, okay, what's happening here?

And do they still have this right and and what is ultimately the goal?

But now we don't have to worry anymore because they're so intertwined with the government, We're screwed.

If that is really the case, They're going to run this bitch, So it is what it is.

Do I think they'll run it alone?

No, They started making loan under David M.

Kennedy to the Vatican, and that's why they're chummy.

And I'm on board with you, man, I'm not even kidding.

I really think that if the Mormons and the Vatican teamed up, and it seems like they're at least peers now right, they're they're like coworkers, or at least they are associates in some way, so they're not necessarily combining forces yet.

But if they did, man, I don't know.

I feel like they would have all of the religious mysticism kind of covered, at least mainstream wise.

Let's look at Mormonism and scientology, They're not going to have any arguments, not at all.

Let's look at Islam and Mormonism.

They're kind of wait, wait, wait, how does Islam and Mormonism work together?

Well, you go back to the sufis right, people should do history searches.

This all goes back to magical orders and you know, templarism and ultimately clear back to Babylon, and we always know it does.

But you know, nobody's left behind.

They heard the slogan leave nobody behind, right, and they invited them all to come.

And everybody says, oh, one day there's going to be a one world order, and I'm like, you're late to the party.

They already have it, and I think they're just waiting for the moment where they're like tada.

You know, we can see it in their banking practices to be quite frank.

So, well, there's there's some incompatibilities with Catholicism and Mormonism though, right like, for example, I don't think the Vatican, I mean, what do I know, right, I'm on the outside looking in a little bit, but the Vatican has still explicitly banned Freemasonry, and Mormonism arguably is like a like a branch of Freemasonry under a biggest umbrella.

Right they don't.

They used to outlaw in Mormonism, but they don't anymore.

It's you can freely join.

Well, I mean, that's kind of silly though, Like Mormonism is freemason.

I know, but it used to be, not because they really get it.

But the Catholic Church is still that technically on paper, you're not allowed to be a freemason.

So I would think that if you're a Mormon, you're kind of like a proxy freemason.

Whether you want to be or not, you are.

You're like at least zero point five percent freemason, no matter what you want.

If you went through the Endowment ceremony, there's no taking that back, right, So.

Yeah, you're you're somehow in, and you know, even if you don't know you're in.

I mean, I guess that counts.

I think that's unfair quite but and that's my whole you know, reason for blabbing so much is not because I'm mad at the Mormons.

People I say, oh, you hate the Mormons so much.

I'm like, listen, I don't hate the Mormons.

I just think it's unfair that they don't tell the truth.

And I think that's okay, you know, I don't know.

People have a hard time with that, but I don't.

And where did it all begin?

Right, Like, who says the Mormon Church when the Mormon Church was going under the roth Childs.

Did the roth Childs did?

I've never heard that before either.

There's a lot that I've been learning.

I've been a busy girl, but you know, amongst this busyness, I ran smack into Salem.

And I think it's really weird that they want you to believe that these people were poor farmers with no means and their family were no one.

Does this look like the house of a poor farmer back in the day.

We're talking old, okay before like in this the grandpa was born in sixteen sixty six.

Isn't that fun?

Sixteen sixty I.

Think that's not his fault though, right, No, no, no, not at all.

So, but it is curious.

But he you know, we're talking old.

This house is pretty nice.

Like I'm saying, this is a pretty nice house.

And this guy, I mean, here's a better picture of it before it got old, right, So what is going on?

Like why does he have land in a really nice house?

And by the way, when he signs his name, guess what he puts at the end, Esquire that's right, that's not a dumb farmer.

Okay, this is the silliest thing ever.

And then he has a son that is a captain, Captain Samuel Smith, and so we're looking at all this going wait a minute, this is literally Joseph Smith's father's grandpa.

Okay, so why are they trying to hide that these people are from not Salem?

No, no, no, we couldn't be from Salem at Salem, but it's Topsfield.

Topsfield is in the Salem lines right there, and they were involved very much so in this whole Salem witchcraft trial.

Okay.

And then I was like, well, whatever, maybe you know it's just a coincidence.

I mean, who is this guy?

Right?

And I gotta figure this out.

So of course I did.

I try to figure it out.

No, I'm didn't figure it all out.

I found out some stuff.

So when Samuels was born twenty sixth January sixteen sixty six in Topsfield, Massachusetts, Bay Colony, his father, Robert Smith Junior, was forty and his mother, Mary French, was thirty one.

He married Rebecca Curtis in Topsfield, Essex, Massachusetts, Big Colony, British Colonial Colonial America, and they were parents of two sons and seven daughters.

He died twelfth of July seventeen forty eight.

Okay, so we definitely have this is straight from like the Mormon websites.

There's there's no if ants or butts like that this happened.

Well, this is just to be clear this he couldn't have been a Mormon because Mormonism didn't exist yet.

Right, But they were very interesting and we know that through his uncle Johnny.

And these people are very they're not your average church goers.

Okay.

They're called the Oh why can't I think of the name right now?

Where they believe in like sort of everything.

I'll remember here in a minute.

No, it's it's more controversial.

I'll think of it in a minute.

But they were kind of on the outskirts of the norm, okay.

And they're very involved in this whole situation with this woman named Mary Easty okay, and anybody or Etsy or it's spelled like a whole bunch of different ways.

So we have to figure out, like, well, why does this even matter?

Like why is she even talking about this?

Okay?

Well, Samuel Smith, he has this interaction with this woman that was in the last group of people hung period in Salem for witchcraft.

He was one of the people that literally put the nail in her coffin because he was one of the few men that testified against So it's interesting to me that Samuel Smith who got into an argument five years before.

So this dude holds a grudge.

This is a grudge holding man.

Holy cow.

He says when he was returning home, he suffered a blow to his shoulder from an invisible force and then heard a nearby stone wall rattle.

So it must have been a witch And it definitely was Mary because she said he was being quote rude, that's it.

And I mean, I'm just saying, you know, the Smith people have been involved in multiple things where they weren't exactly careful with their word choices.

I mean, let's be real, tard and feathered, thrown out a window, I mean whatever, it's fine.

But what I'm saying is they were people that spoke their mind.

So yeah, he probably was rude.

So this Mary Eastie, she literally gets hung over this situation, even though she was once found innocent.

They got her out and then the girls started saying again, oh, she's doing this again to us, She's doing this again and again.

Jeopardy laws back then.

Right, yep, Nope, they put her right back in and back she goes.

And so I find it really weird though that like Samuel Smith is okay, but that one's weird enough.

Okay, that one's a little bit strange enough.

But then we get to the second part of it, which most people don't even know, is that Sarah Wilds was the second wife of John Wilds, who just happened to be the former brother in law of John Gould.

Well Gould is all over the Salem witch trials.

If anybody knows anything about sand witch Trials, you guys know that that this is like the one of the main names involved, right along with the Putnams.

Okay, and the Goulds had been fighting for years back and forth over land in inheritance money, and they just happen to be the parents of Priscilla, who marries Samuel's son, the next Samuel, Samuel a second So they are literally family.

They're literally family.

And so when you look at this, and I'm not just gonna say it, I'm gonna show you, guys the actual document from the Salem witchcraft vaults here in just one second.

But it's all laid out right here with their initial names and then how they changed and how the marriages were and everything, because it's important, right The Smith and Town families had seven marriages between two families from among their children.

So it's not like they just knew each other a little bit.

They're tight, Okay.

So he's literally not only a part of accusing somebody that was innocent, he's a part of accusing his own family.

And so this is why I dare say they don't want us looking at Massachusetts whatsoever.

This is the actual deposition and the legal paperwork as you can see at the bottom from Essex County Court archives, which it shows everybody down at the bottom there.

You guys can go look it up yourself if you like.

But Mary Easty was a very interesting person as in she was one of the few people that actually brought to light that they didn't have any representation, and she wrote a petition as a woman, and that I mean back then that just wasn't that common, and she wanted to let everyone know she was innocent.

Her sisters, one of them had already been killed and they went after the whole family.

And so you know, we know that part of this is open.

They were all hung for being witches.

Yep, these are actual women from the same.

I don't want to say, but they sound guilty to me.

Ah, no judgment, but well, I'll.

Say that the family, I don't know.

She was super pious.

She was known to be part of the chosen, any elect of the church, because back then there was only so many that were chosen that were going to be saved, and the rest kind of had to go to church anyway for no apparent reason because they weren't saved, which was weird.

But if you didn't go, you're in trouble.

There was a lot of scandalous behavior, even with the Grandpa back then.

Of course treasure digging once again, we're digging, digging all the time.

But I find it fascinating this date.

Do you remember this date?

September twenty second?

Remind me?

So, what day is the fall equinox?

On?

Right?

So it's a twenty first, right, And then Joseph got the plates on the fall equinox after midnight because it was super late.

And this happens the same same day, the same day, so Joseph Smith got the plates from Moroni on the same exact day.

This lady was hung hundred years later, one hundred and fifty years later, or something like that.

I found this fascinating, which pocus.

When she hung she said, I am innocent and I will pay this back upon your heads, and so I don't know, I don't know.

Her position did stop the actual hangings from continuing.

She even gave up her life and said, I understand that I must die, but I beg you to stop using spectral evidence against people, because she wasn't accused.

Only her specter was, so her her spirit.

Basically, at nighttime, what.

Do you do if your spirit goes out and commits crimes and you're just asleep?

Like, how are you supposed to stop your spirit from committing crimes?

I mean, right, I don't know.

I guess you got to chain it up.

I don't even know what to do.

How do you even do that?

Though?

Yeah, who knows.

I don't know.

I guess you got to draw some magic circle and you're accused of witchcraft.

I don't know.

Yeh, that's funny, right, the only you is actually witchcraft, So now you're gonna screwed.

I think it's actually funny because we also know something very interesting right about witchcraft trials at that time, who were often the accusers were the alchemists that actually were practicing forms of magic.

So what did they know about each other's families?

Did she threaten them?

Did she say, I'm going to expose your little treasure diging baloney and your magic circle solomonic magic of the Sufi's uh, mister Smith, treasure digging?

Like, how would treasure digging be leverage over someone?

It's not like treasure.

They were water witching with it.

They were using divining rods and they were drawing magic circles with all of the solomonic seals.

That's how the father did it as well.

Interesting enough, also, the the knife, the atam that we have from Joseph Smith Senior, it has a black handle on it, and that's very interesting for magic, and I'll show that again.

We can do a little bit of our backward there.

But I wanted to show this new evidence because I thought it was fascinating that she basically said, you're going to pay for this because I'm innocent.

Joseph gets you know, screwedined.

I'm kidding.

I can think of at least like six different movies about witchcraft that start this exact way where I's.

Just worned woman.

That's not really a witch that curses a town or curses someone in the town, and you're say, what did she'scorn the Smith family directly.

She scorned them all.

She said, anybody that was involved with this, I am innocent, and you will pay because not close that I am free.

Yep, she she used the words I am free.

And even she was smart enough.

I guess a lot of people would be talked into, oh, well, didn't you just do this?

Didn't you just do that?

And she said no, I never did.

And they said, well, what have you been doing with the devil?

And she said nothing.

I prayed against him my whole life.

So she was really eloquent the way she spoke, Like I said, the first one to make an eloquent petition, she stood up like the she sent it to the governor at this time, which, by the way, this Rebecca Nurse Mitt Romney's descend descended from her.

It's all it's bananas.

I mean, I couldn't make a better story if I tried, which is awesome because I don't have to try that hard.

I wanted.

I want to say, that's actually really that's such a smart tactic is to deny, deny, deny, like never don't even give a little like nano inch.

Of space, right, because I learned this the hard way too when I was a little kid.

I remember the hard way that I got into a fight and no one saw the fight, but the kid went and told her afterwards, and since there was literally no witness, it was just one person's word against another person's word.

And they went and told the principle and everything, and I was just like, Nope, didn't happen.

Didn't happen.

Those guys making it up.

He probably just fell down like whatever.

And then finally the principle was like, well, is it possible that?

And he made up like some hypothetical scenario where like the other kid tripped on my leg.

Anyway, long story short, I was just like, I don't know.

I'm in school.

They're always talking to us about everything's possible and anything's possible, and I was like, I don't know, I guess it's possible.

And man, it was the worst thing ever.

And I immediately got in trouble and I got I got like suspended and everything.

But I learned.

I learned a very valuable in that day, and that's that like you never give an inch, like if they don't have you on it, then you don't give yourself up on it.

I guess not.

And and and I mean, but unless the ghost finds you, the ghost is gonna tell I mean, maybe she pushed him out the window.

I don't know.

I'm just kidding on that.

But interesting manifest I don't know.

I don't know what ghosts can do.

But uh uh, you know, so many people have been speaking to dead people like I just recently learned the guy with the Philosopher's Stone was speaking to an angel.

So who knows, I don't know, whatever, Plamel, that's another interesting rabbit hole.

These people like know things that I think they definitely talk to spirits.

Do I think they're disembodied spirits versus like dead people spirits?

Yeah, I think I think they're probably disembodied spirits.

But whatever, they seem to sometimes help them.

And then you know, let's swap wives.

All ghosts are disb spirits, No.

I mean, sum are demons.

I don't know.

I don't know.

How would you know the difference.

I don't know the truth you got Oh wait, let me tell you what Joseph Smith says.

You have to shake their hand?

Is that true?

Yes?

Where does he say that you got to look it up?

It's in the doctrine covenants.

Yes, it says that is it?

Does he call spirits or what he says?

If a spirit comes to you and you need to check if it's good or bad, you have to shake his hand.

I'll find it while we're talking.

I just have the most annoying questions ever.

But like, what if you don't have hands?

I mean, I guess you gotta shake toes or something.

What if you don't have toes?

I mean like what if what if you don't have the ability to like physically infect them in the way that Joe, you know what you is that a Masonic reference that you have to shake a hand, that like they'll give you a secret handshake.

To let you know if so.

Here it is.

Joseph Smith taught that to discern between heavenly messengers and deceitful spirits, one should offer to shake hands when a messenger appears, as described in Doctor and Covenants one twenty nine.

And angel will shake your hand and you will feel it.

A spirit of a man made perfect will appear in his glory, But a fallen spirit like the devil will offer his handed you will feel nothing.

So to zeph Y, I gotta shake their hand.

I'm not kidding.

So if you go to shake someone's hand and they've got a weak limp handshake, then they're a demon, that's what I'm getting from.

That could be wicked spirits.

That's why you want to have a firm handshake.

It actually originates from Mormons determining whose ghost and whose demons or something.

I'm telling you Doctor and Covenants one twenty nine.

It's right there in black and white, he says.

It is that still canon or has that been?

Like?

Yah, it's in there.

Yeah.

So if you if you went into a Mormon church, like any regular Mormon church, you could open up the page and talk about shaking hand ghosts.

Remember this.

They're always going to be like, what do you want us to come to your house on Saturday to help you with your prayers?

No, they're just going to redirect.

They're the best at it, they're so good at it.

Or they'll be like, what did you say, I gotta go?

I heard my phone like I'll be back.

Actually, my ex my so, my my old neighbor, he was an ex missionary and got sent home early.

Not because he did anything bad because of the VID right the twenty twenty and he was a mission leader president thing and he said, oh, And I asked him, what do you do with these hard questions, like what happens if somebody starts coming at you with ghost stories or something?

And he said, oh, no, we just have our phone and you type it in and it just comes up with what you should say.

So and so they're like tech support.

Yep, they have tech support.

There's there's like a Mormon app apparently that's really I think we did an episode on like the best Mormon Apps, and it's like the most popular one where you look up any hard question or or thought independent thought that you might have and it's like, no, no.

No, you were you were wrong for thinking that, and here's why and here's the answer.

Redirect redirect.

And this is why I say with the treasure digging, they might have got in trouble because this is the sketch per verbatim Willard Chase's affidavit, not just some wamby bamby story.

This is like a leal document affidavit.

And he recreated this as far as how he described, and then they artistically drew it.

So this is the stuff that's going on when they're looking for treasure?

So do I think that possibly Mary Eastie might have pulled a flex and was like you better cut it out?

Like maybe?

So, I don't know.

I don't know.

She seems sassy, she seems real sassy, so maybe she got sassy back.

Who knows, we'll never know she got hung So on the day is this consider is.

This known or allowed to be talked about?

This particular You're not gonna and you could talk about it, but nobody's going to know this.

I didn't even know the trouble.

If someone overheard you in temple like, oh, hey, did you ever hear about this this thing?

And they're not even they're not even being derogatory.

They're just like, hey, did you hear they went treasure digging and they lit a fire?

And or would someone be like you never bring that up again, or you're kicked out of here.

I think they would be more.

They never are that.

They're very passive, aggressive people, so they would be like, you know, there's better things we can talk about.

Let's edify the prophet.

That's how that's going to go.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know that is that kind of is edification.

Like you're telling me, my God, my prophet is freaking Indiana Jones.

That sounds pretty cool.

How come we haven't talked about that yet.

I mean, here it is.

He's got relics and everything, magical stones and papyri, and you know, he knows things.

He's got his magical talisman.

And I'm ready.

I'm ready to sign up.

I swear to God, I'm ready to sign up right now.

I just remember, they don't know any of this stuff anymore, so it's kind of boring now.

It's not as am at twelve does right?

Or do you think that even when you get to the quorum at twelve, they still don't have full insight on this?

No, I think the Quorum of the twelve.

Does you want to get on the Quorum of the fifty not?

Well, you know, I know that's unrealistic, but I want to at least be like Kevin Bacon three or four to three degrees.

Away that's appropriate.

Three degrees away from the quorum.

Well, the Quorum of the fifty is the secret quorum that nobody speaks about, that actually has more influence on the Church than most things.

And they're not all Mormon fun fact.

Okay, how do we do this?

I wish I knew.

I'm a girl.

I don't want to.

I don't think you're allowed in the quorum of the fifty.

I just got Andrea, you know, andreas well.

I don't know.

They let a lot of people on do you have a railroad?

They let people on the you know, on the railroad.

Brigham Young like to make deals with the railroad guys.

That's part of the money.

Or maybe a lot of women.

I don't know.

We got to have a flex.

Gotta have a flex.

He shows fifty women.

Don't don't ask about how old they are, but I got like fifty of.

Them, probably probably.

And then you know, we just look at all these things that you know, they've proven time and time again do not just come from magical stories.

They're coming straight from Francis Barrett's The Magus.

And so when we talk about this stuff, we have to know that it wasn't just folk magic.

It's just silly that the Jupiter talison comes straight straight from the whole psalmonic, the Lesser and Greater Keys of Solomon.

Like, there's no argument there, period.

I mean, I don't understand why people have a hard time with this, and it gets really interesting because.

You know, if that's his, God is just that he didn't actually have this right.

It's not that.

These are no game, no, no, nope, this one's a good one.

This one's that they know that it was his, and they're like, eh, folk magic, what do you do?

This one was Morgan Church at the church admits yes, he had this talisman and here it is.

Yep, because they say that it was one of his most prized possessions that he owned.

His wife reclaimed it and had to identify it and it got handed down through the family.

Yep.

And now you claim this, then not claim the hat, though this seems way more damning than a hat.

The hat.

The hat was like, yeah, what about the hat?

But then the stone.

It's all the whole neck romancy business right.

Also recently on a podcast I was listening to and I do have to do a little more research about it, somebody.

Actually, I'm just listening, minding my business, listening to things about Martinism like one does okay, and this lady flips out and says and Cagliostro was a complete influence on Joseph Smith Mormon I almost dropped my coffee.

I was like, whoa what I knew that, but I didn't know you knew that.

Why do you know that?

I just figured but I didn't know.

She must know, so I definitely want to see if I can talk to that lady.

Well, it seems like it would be self evident, right, because Cagliostro is the one that popular He was sort of like an early Crowley in a way where he's popularizing especially Egyptian magic, which is kind of Joseph Smith's favorite thing.

But here we have this problem of no, no, it's not that.

It's never that.

Even if you read Dan Vogel's work or these other people's work that are anti Mormon and they're telling you all the magic, They're like, but it wasn't that, it wasn't miss Ram, Nope, look away, it wasn't that.

And I'm like, yes it was, Yes, it was smartinism.

And they do not want that brought up.

They always blame it on the Scottish rite always they get kind of pissed if you bring up.

Who blames the Scottish?

Right, who the hell is blaming the Scottish?

Everybody?

Everybody?

They blame your bro, you should freaking yeah, you should be like a French peep over here.

No, I know you guys are French too, but I'm just saying you should be like it's older at least, you know.

I don't know, I don't know why they get so weird about it, but I will tell you one hundred percent they do not like when you bring that up.

They're literally writing the book and they're like, and it wasn't the Misery.

Well, so my understanding is that the miseryam Memphis is basically like a French take on Egyptian occult that like Western Egyptian occultism, and then the Scottish write is like the American version, but it's not it's not really centric on Egyptian.

And then Martinism is kind of like a European version.

Of all this.

So you've you've kind of got like these three different approaches at occultism, but they have their own interpretations of it.

Well, we've got Cagliostro who kind of links up with these other ones, right, and we've got Willermele's and then we've got Saint Martin.

So they all three made this Martinist order and it's a kabbalistic arts.

It makes complete sense.

Why was Joseph Smith trying to learn Hebrew with with this guy that he knew that was spooke Jewish and converted over.

I'll find his name, but I'm just like, no, this makes way more sense.

It's older.

I'm pretty sure it came over with his good friend Luhmen Walters.

Oh Lumen, okay, light Bringer, got it, got it.

But they're a practicing order.

The problem is.

He changed his name.

Oh okay, okay, maybe it is his fault.

Okay.

Yeah.

And so when we talk about Martinism and nothing, you know, to dog on any of these organizations, you can do whatever you want to do.

Don't hurt kids and dogs and you know, innocent people.

But if you want to go do whatever, I don't care.

I don't care.

Stop lying to people.

That's all I care about.

But here's the thing.

I just think it's interesting that every time somebody hits on this and is like, and I think this might fit better, they just no, no, it's not that.

No, no, no, look away.

And they're practicing plemonic order.

So when we talk about practicing, this is the stuff they wear and they practice magic like they don't just learn about it.

They don't just read some stuff.

They practice And interesting enough, on the fall equinox, they believe you can go out in the middle of the night and talk to spirits.

What did Joseph Smith do?

I don't know that.

And they do it in the spring too, so well.

Does that mean the Martinists or does that just mean that the Martinists and Joseph Smith both knew about this rule that applies on the spring equinox, because because either that's true or it's not.

And if it's true, then knowing about it and doing something about it wouldn't make you a Martinist, right, It would just make you aware of the spiritual rules.

Isn't it fun that this is also a co intermingling order that they can have women join.

And what did Joseph do?

I'm just saying that there's a lot of lines that we can look down and say, ooh, that checks the box.

Scottish Rite free masonry not so much.

You have, you know, different factions there for the women and men keep it separated.

They're not coming together and doing this stuff.

I don't even know if there's a female version of Scottish Rite.

I mean there's Eastern star for regular masonry, but I don't I don't know if there's like a it doesn't qualify.

Yeah, stop, sure of all that, Like it's more generic than Scottish.

Right, but it's it's the closest thing we have.

And that's why I say it just doesn't fit.

The timing doesn't fit, none of it fits.

But this this does fit.

And also in the.

States, now just f why in case you're ever really really curious, you two can join co masonry.

No, I already was there once.

I get that on accident, nothing against it or anything.

I just you know, freak me out a lot.

And you know the thing also that we have to look at that's very interesting when we look at the putnams and also this other Oh, the Christian minister, his name is Paris, I think, or I'll find the name, but he's the Christian Minister of Salem at the time, and he yeah, it's Paris, because I thought it was Harris.

He has slaves with him, and guess where they're from.

They're from Barbados and guess where we know.

Cagliostro went studying about right for some of this, He went, I mean it fits really.

I don't know.

I just think it fits really well.

Well, what's the connection though, what's the direct connection with Well.

It's not direct, I mean, but what if they learned the same thing, right, Like, what if this was spread through those people and they knew because they had actually made a witch cake?

Do you know what a witch cake is?

I'm gonna shut this is this like, uh.

May okay, well describe it.

I don't want I don't want to say something even more gross than whatever you're going to say.

So, yeah, we can just remove what it's like the unholy Eucharist of like a black mask.

Yeah, I pre if you can take that out, but like not like completely bounce it just in case we need it again, like to remove it.

Oh okay, I don't know.

Okay.

So it's what they would do is they would have a cake.

Yeah it's gross, and they would make it with urine and they would feed it to the dog and if the dog got sick or started acting cuckoo, then you were a witch.

Okay, Well, let me let me ask you honest question.

Do you eat a cake a light or do you eat a cake of witch?

Witch cake?

I mean, I think you're safer we take take a little little bite of both.

I wouldn't take a bite to nothing, give it to the dog.

But they also hung dogs and killed dogs.

At this thing.

I'm telling you that's just not right.

Well, honestly, man, before if you look, it wasn't long before the nineteen hundreds that treating a dog like it was literally just a utensil inside your hat, like a tool inside your house.

People would have if you saw someone kicking their lawnmower.

That's kind of how some people thought about if you saw someone kicking their dog back then.

And that's that's it's like literally where you get.

There was one called like a turnspit bowl or something, and it was literally just a dog that stayed in your kitchen and helped turn meat on racks and that.

And it wasn't like a family pet or anything.

I don't know.

It was sperable.

And that was I mean, it was pretty common.

It was pretty common back then to just see them as these utilitarian beasts.

Well, I mean, like I said, they did that.

That was the lady from Barbados that did this witchcake, trying to figure things out.

And this was the slave of Samuel Parris P A.

R.

R.

I.

S born sixteen fifty three.

He had been a merchant in both London and Barbados and then later had this career in ministry.

He also went to Harvard and then you know, he ended up returning to Barbados later.

So here's the thing.

I just speculate, because you ask what the connection was, Well, did they have their own little club of Martinism or whatever.

He's learning over in Barbados with Samuel Smith, and Samuel Smith carries us down to you know, the next one and the next one Clarid, to oz A l let's not forget that name, uh, and then eventually to Joseph, and I just feel like that's a connection.

Then we've got Luman as a connection.

We've got a lot of connections where people say he absolutely couldn't do that, blah blah blah, he didn't know anybody from France.

And I'm like, listen, lady, m yeah, no, there's connections, right, and we can't just chuck it out.

And also, d Michael Quinn gotten deep shit for writing the book he did, but he still called it folk magic.

He's still tiptoed.

He still did so so I can.

Speculate too, So here's another one to throw in in case you haven't put this one through all your different studies.

That Barbados was also at some points like a like a pirate checkpoint, like a pirate hangout.

And there are some interpretations of piracy in general that the pirates were like a seafaring version of the Knights Templar or whatever evolved from Knights Templar into like the Phoenician Empire, and then like it continued and continued, but that essentially pirates also held all this like profane knowledge, all this like occult knowledge that.

Eventually makes its way into Barbados.

And now anyone that's interacting with pirates at like a very deep level also are understanding like this Sufi wisdom that you would have learned from the Templar like a thousand years prior.

Well, and what did they fly?

What did pirate's flags look like?

Oh wait, they had a templar cross on them, big surprise.

So and then you got Canada connections.

We've got old World mc mac here tonight, we've talked a lot about, you know, these Canadian connections where we get into you know, different things where we're like, all right, why are they why are these templars here, and then you know, all of a sudden, everybody's everybody is named Mary and Joseph.

And then they're actually encouraging the Mormon men to take on Native American wives, even though they were horribly racist.

Why why why why wellites?

Or is that not what Ali Well?

We've had lots of talks back and forth about about this as far as what they label them versus what Old world.

Mcmac even postulates they got it wrong, and I think they might have, but we do see them taking these extra wives to make their children more white and delights them.

But we also know in magical families, what do they do They keep it in the family.

And it's not just Native Americans, it's it's more things than that.

It's the Scottish, it's the Celtics, it's since we've talked, last week, got to do a whole show on Joseph lineage and his DNA and a bunch of stuff that I found out.

But you know, we've got these old world stories, and yet we know that they've all got their own form of magic and their own form of their own inherited magic.

Right, So when we look at this, it's really not, Yes, exactly.

It's not that big of a surprise that they did that because they were trying to cultivate their magic one up and we were going to talk to a little about Bigfoot, which we're going to do another time.

But you know, for Mormons, Bigfoot is Kine.

There's multiple things about it.

And the one strange thing that I found, but it was lore, is that yes, Cain was a bigfoot and he actually made babies with some of the Mormon women and some of their children are from Kin.

Where does this come from?

I've never heard that before lore, that's lore.

But I have multi from from.

The Mormon community, from the Mormons, and a bunch of I have proof of stories about Kin, not about the children, but about Kane and and him integrating talking with different people, coming up on missionaries riding their horse.

I've got like literally the screenshots of this.

And wait, Caine as Bigfoot or just Kane.

Yes, nope, Kin is bigfoot because I know.

That there's one historical account of a Mormon elder of some kind that said that he met Caine walking on the road and Caine told like he was this big, bigfoot looking guy and then he was biblical Caine, YadA, YadA, but that but I've always understood it like that was this one guy, and then other people that try and tie historical things.

They talk about that one guy, but does.

Not that one guy.

There's multiple accounts, including Joseph F.

Smith, descendant of Joseph Smith, and I have the I'll show to you right now.

Let me pull it up.

Very interesting.

I got it because I can't just be talking nonsense.

I mean it is, you know, their nonsense, but it's not my nonsense.

Basically, So can you see this one?

Oh?

I thought you're going to pull up a picture of Bigfoot.

Oh I don't have the pic.

This was just like a newspaper article.

So yeah, but this is what you're talking about, David W.

Patton, right, this is his.

But then we have other people talking about different accounts, including Elder Joseph Fielding Smith, a member of the Council of the Twelve, and he is literally the descendant of Hiram Smith.

So they're talking about all of these people that and it happens.

They say that it happens every time they set the cornerstone for the temple.

And guess what they stopped doing.

They stop doing those.

They stop doing cornerstone ceremonies now.

I don't know why, but it's recent.

So whenever they make a new temple, this would happen when.

They would lay the cornerstone.

This is when this happened.

And he said this would happen often.

So it's just strange.

But there's multiple people.

David Patton.

Then we got Joseph F.

Smith.

We got another guy, let me find him.

Let's see brother Patton and family.

E Wesley Smith.

We've got non specific apostle love that one an unspecified grandfather.

I mean, they just Yeah, there's been multiple people that have said that they've literally talked to these things and that they're Mormon bigfoot.

So if there is a Mormon bigfoot, that that would imply there has to be a Masonic bigfoot.

And guess and guess what.

Guess who else brought it up the profit of the church, and that was Ezra taff Benson, and he wrote a book and it was called The Miracle of Forgiveness.

Don't read it if you really want to be forgiven.

It makes you sad.

It should be called the Unmiracle of Forgiveness.

But whatever they used to give it to us, you know, when we were young whatever, like behavior self or else, this could happen to you.

Maybe you'll be Bigfoot.

No, not that, but he did mention bigfoot in there for real.

So, well, what would happen if you were if you were bad according to this book?

Well, two ways to interpret it.

Either you turn into a hairy bigfoot or you turn into a black person.

That's fun.

No wonder they wanted to hide that.

Yeah.

So yeah, the Miracle forgiveness.

It's the Miracle of forgiveness, and you give this to Mormon children and it tells them if they're bad.

The not anymore, not anymore.

This was did you did you get it when you were Okay?

So this like predates even yeah.

So and people are bringing up mare of Vingian absolutely that we need to have a talk about Joseph's DNA and the Marrivingians and some stuff.

I found that way too, And so yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff there.

I don't know, it's weird.

It gets weird, it always does.

I just can't understand why.

Every time I'm trying to listen to some other podcast about none of this stuff, there's a Mormon you know, I'm like, oh, of course there is what why are you here?

Well, I.

Was telling you after, like I'll send you some texts back and forth about a show that I did with Jamie Hanshaw.

We were talking about like Disney and Mormons, and I was like, let me just brush up really quick.

I knew that there were some things I felt that the movie Treasure Planet felt like it was kind of a Mormon movie.

And man, it blew my mind because some people blame certain religions for like controlling Hollywood, and it's like they're only this percent of the population.

Let me tell you something that Mormons in Hollywood.

There are more Mormons in higher places of power and decision making, and it's a smaller demographic than any other small religious group in the States.

It's two percent.

Forget forget about forget about Hollywood and go to NASA.

That's even more ful.

Go to NASA, Go to Vegas, go to the CIA, go to Disney.

What that was what was blowing my mind is that we wouldn't have any modern Disney movies.

Snow White, Pinocchio, Mickey Mouse Himself, Ducktails, all of that Fantasia all came directly from.

More What is it all about.

And what is it all about?

It's all about magic.

It's all about magic?

What is it all about?

Right, you're right?

And they and and why was uh what's his face?

Why did I forget his name?

Right now?

The main space guyn?

Yes, Why was he in a theological film made only for Mormons?

Why was he in that?

Why was he there?

What is happening there?

You know?

Why are they such good friends with such strange people?

Like we see this constantly and they're you know, at the top of the top of the top.

And honestly, there's one comment that really gets me.

And there's a few, but there's one from I believe it's John Taylor.

I have to look up the guy's name, and he was super important.

But they were talking about bringing skull and bones to Utah, and he was like listening, and he said, they're doing a conspiracy to get rid of Mormonism.

And so they were saying like, now we're in, we just have to now make them like us, and so it's like a different branch of Mormonism, and they got rid of a lot of the people that believe kind of a different way, which is where we see this split with Brigham and Joseph and me, and you've talked about this a lot, you know, so it's very interesting.

It's very interesting to me to see the reformation that really happened, to see this go underground and become a different thing underneath Brigham because he was smart enough to not want to be tard and feathered.

Like he was out like, well, yeah, he was smarter.

I kind of felt this might be a bad I don't know, maybe this is a good analogy, but.

You know that.

Romney, his money and a lot of his uh political power even come from ban capital and being capital essentially go into other businesses and do like hostile takeovers and then like force people out and sell liquidatum and stuff.

Who was his partner?

Don't tell me?

It was Brigham Young Robert Ay.

Of Howard Hughes's company.

His dad was the one that worked for Hughes and he worked for Baine.

Okay, okay, well so.

Yeah, But the point being is that that Romney, in my mind, he's kind of like this Brigham Young where it's like, hey, Joseph, nice company you got there.

Let me just like move in and optimize some stuff for you, and before you know it, like you're no longer part of your own religion, and it's going in a completely different direction than you ever planned on it, and it never falls back.

Like one of the things that's the hardest for me to ignore is if you just get a picture of every single prophet of the LDS Church in all of history, it goes young Joseph Smith, and then old guy, old guy, old guy, old guy, old guy, old guy.

And like beard beard beard beard beard, and then like shaved old guy, shave, old guy.

Right, but it's never it's never gone backwards in age by more than like a couple of years.

Right, How how old was Joseph Smith when he died?

He was still young?

Yeah he was early thirties or something.

Yeah he was, I gotta look it up, but he's young, yeah, early thirties.

Like yeah.

Like so when you say that that Brigham Young had like a different vision, like, yeah, Brigham Young was like his grandpa, you know, and Joseph Smith was like this young buck, like like had dreams and things that hadn't been shattered yet by reality.

Well, and we we know he's obviously involved with witchcraft, even if it's inadvertently, you would still be like, yeah, I remember that one time Grandpa hung that witch on the hill, Like, I mean, it's going to go through the family, that that's not going to go away.

Let's get real.

That was a big deal.

And so you know, it just happens to be just happens to be the same day that Joseph find the plates later, Like that's bananas to me.

I mean hundreds of years later, but I'm just saying, like the same exact day.

That seems a little too on the nose for me.

Was that a sacrifice?

I don't know.

I don't know, Like we know that right before you know, all this goes down, Joseph's oldest brother dies, their oldest son.

Then Joseph's oldest child dies.

He's the son.

And what did they name that son?

The same name as the dead brother.

They named it Alvin, and he was severely deformed, severely and Alvin Alvin, and they accidentally poisoned him.

I don't know where it is they accidentally poisoned him and because he had constipation, I guess whatever.

I don't know, but yeah, it was just wasn't thirty three when he died.

I looked it up.

He's thirty eight, thirty eight when he dies there you go.

So, I mean it's just interesting to me, Like like you said, he also married William Morgan's widow, Joseph Smith literally married her.

So threw it and she threw a fit at his funeral.

She threw a fat fit that wasn't alleged.

That was all over the place because she was embarrassing because you don't do that as the one hundred and tenth wife or something whatever she was, you got to keep your composure.

She's supposed to wear like light gray, not not black.

Throwing herself on the coffin, I know that much.

Yeah, his wife was pissed.

And also they don't go into what happens with you know, a lot of the sons later, like even Brigham Young had like a cross dressing son.

Joseph Smith's last son.

When he died, his wife was pregnant and he was mentally ill and basically, you know, they named him David, and a lot of people speculate that all the sudden was put on him and like he just it was sad.

The way he lived and died was awful, and so it was just he was completely mentally ill and institutionalized.

Most of his life, like this is pretty bad.

So I don't know, I don't know.

It's very strange to me, but I do know this.

You know, there's a lot of things about certain clubs the Mormons are always in.

I mean, look at Mitt Romney.

You know he's over the Alfalfa Club.

He's the president for a while, Like he's at the top of the top.

Let's not play around.

You know, they've got secret combinations, like.

Come on, you think he's second anointed Mitt.

Rob one hundred and ten percent second.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

He did get in trouble for that little scheme that you're talking about, and he got Robert Siege chucked out of the Quorum of the seventy.

Once you're in, you're usually in for a life.

Wait wait, wait, hold on Korum of the set.

How many quorums are there?

There's a twelve, of fifty and a seventy.

No one's supposed to know about the fifty.

The fifty is a secret and it's actually made up of not on Mormons and Mormons, and it kind of controls the money and the power.

Seventy secret.

No, no, no, the seven secret No, no, not at all.

And so those nope, just the the the total top, the first and second counselor in the prophet.

So they're speaking of that.

One's interesting.

We don't even you know who Dallan h Oaks.

And it's funny we always say their middle name.

I don't know why, but they always do as they're tapped Benson Dallen h Oaks.

Yeah, there's two seventy apparently.

Oh that's the core of one hundred and forty.

Really, I don't know.

If that's the quorum of the fifty and the seventy is what I've always heard, but I don't know, so I've always heard of fifty and a seventy.

But either way, what whichever, I've only heard of the two.

But too much mas.

Well will it's all about that.

But anyway, Yeah, it gets interesting.

And the guy now that is the prophet of the church.

You know, he was involved in electricy.

He tried to electrocute the gay out of people when he was younger, CIA affiliated.

There's documents to prove it.

It turns out it makes you gay.

Actually being electrocuted will make you gay.

Yeah, he definitely didn't do a good job then because he was definitely electrocuting everybody out there, b yu, he gets involved in some trouble, he gets fired from BYU.

You know who his his family, His great great uncle was the not smart one.

This is actually I mean, you know Martin Harris, you know where.

Oh yeah, the dumb the dumb, dumb, dumb guy.

Yeah, yeah, that's his great great uncle.

Do you know Martin Harris once said, since we're talking about bigfoot and animals, he said, he walked in the woods as one does, and God came to him as a deer, and so.

You know for a fact that he came.

And he told Joseph about that, and he's like, sure he did, Martin, Sure, Oh oh, dear.

Boy.

I know another guy came and told him, Hey, I got a rock and I got some prophecies too, And he's like, no, you don't throw it away.

Yeah I wouldn't.

I mean, you know what it is, though, if if you are are like a prophet and you were able to convince everyone, you're going to be attracting people out of the woodwork.

It's like, Joseph, I got a pet rock too.

Look, my brock talks to me and you kind of have to like deal with that.

But you can't really acknowledge it, because then they would be competing for your authority, right, so you got to.

Shut around that well.

And then what happens as everybody's supposed to, you know, go behind his son upholding the church.

But that's not what happened, and Brigham kind of takes over and does a hostile takeover.

Mother Smith is not one to be messed with, though she kind of did a flex.

She wrote a book and she put some secrets in there that only he would understand.

And it's very interesting what she did.

I actually applaud her.

He ended up having to pay her for a very long time because of it.

I think she was going to expose a lot of the stuff and Dartmouth and all these different connections that we're talking about.

Oh, universalist is what I was.

I meant to tell you earlier about the religion.

They yeah, yeah, so, and she was putting the flex on ol Brigham, and he ordered to have all the books destroyed and then they didn't, and it was a whole scandal, and even to this day, if you don't get a certain version of that book, but mother Smith wrote, it's it's missing pieces because they cut it up.

So pretty fun.

Yeah, it's pretty fun.

But Martin Harris was not smart.

He was opposite of smart.

He was very interesting though.

But all these people, when you're talking about when the church breaks up and there isn't a specific line to take over, all these people people went their own separate ways.

You know.

That's where we get the guy that went out to Wisconsin and he became king of Beaver Island, and you know, I got relatives from that disaster, and then we got you know, other people going other ways.

And I always find it interesting when people talk about the Satanic branch of the LDS.

That is where this comes in.

And I do think they mean like a darker magical order where they kept to more of the magic but took it like maybe a step toward Crowley.

Yeah, so there's Satanic Mormons.

M Well, Russell m Nelson's daughter was involved in quite the scandal.

That was a sexual abuse scandal if you read the Pace memo about and it was unfounded.

So I guess she's innocent.

Where they were taking kids underneath the temple in the basement and doing some quite strange things.

Let alone.

Okay, I mean this sounds like standard fair satanic panic stuff.

This is like McMartin preschool territory.

But there's a lot of evidence for this one, let alone.

The guy that was Levitt was one of the attorneys attorney general here and in the middle of some press conference he just stood up and went, I am not a cannibal and I do not eat children.

Everybody went, you bro Levitt, he was the attorney general.

He literally said this on TV and then he had to move to Scotland and he bought a castle.

So where and those Catholics, We've actually come stocked with children for you to eat.

So that's kind of crazy that he went there.

WHOA, Yeah, I'm not even kidding that one.

It's a very interesting story.

There's a lot of proof on this one, like actual proof and in statements, and it's really did it.

I don't, I don't.

I don't think that this is too crazy.

I mean, I realized that it's it's controversial to say that.

But let's imagine that you are as hardcore of a Mormon that you possibly could be, and that you genuinely do believe that Joseph Smith was using magic and talisman's and a nooki magic and reading the magus and you know, reading all this like Caglio stro style Memphis misery impra.

Let's just say that you believed all that and you got that deep into it.

There is a like a sliding scale where you're like, you know what, I'm gonna be ten times as magic as Joseph Smith ever did.

And this does start venturing, especially if you believe the Necromanzi stuff.

It ventures into some dark territory where I guess you could say that it would be like satanic Mormonism, but I don't know if.

It is.

They themselves call it, or other Mormons looking at them, or like those are Satanic Mormons.

Oh though, people listen.

There was this chick that used to do a YouTube channel on it, and she made it on Sam and guess what, as soon as she made it on Sam, she freaking disappeared.

And now she has a cooking show and she just talks about making weed bread or shit.

For real, This girl quit talking about it.

She just buckled it up and that was it for real.

I'm talking about.

Yeah, Yeah, she made it on Sam.

You guys can find it on there if you put in Satanic Church of Mormon or something.

And she made it on I think her name was chill or queen, and then boom, she was gone.

She doesn't do it anymore.

She talked, she has a cooking show.

I'm not playing.

And that's why I'm careful what I say about Skinwalker Ranch.

Dude, That's why I'm careful what I say about certain people.

How do you know they didn't reach out and give her money?

Maybe maybe you should lean into it and then and then.

I'll just never sell it.

Ale.

Yeah, I don't know, but they did start a weed cooking show, not just a cooking show.

So it's a good idea.

We start a cooking show so that we can infiltrate other cooking shows.

That's it.

That's it.

That's what we're gonna do.

You're too busy right now.

One day, one day.

We can't even do two shows a month.

We can maybe get there, we can maybe get there.

I don't know.

You're busy, Yeah, you're you're doing Uh, you've been busy with We've read the documents.

I saw you got a new one for Mondays there too.

I saw.

I don't know if they're still in here.

I saw someone was posting that we got everything wrong with.

What was it?

The Idaho murders I'm open to it, man, I'm open if there there's some alternative.

So I'm I just started today earlier today on Mondays.

Going forward, I'm dropping some mainstream documentary reviews.

And we started out on True Crime, and we watched the three different documentaries about the Idaho murders, and I walked away with a certain impression just from the three mainstream documentaries.

So maybe I got mk ultra side, you know, like like hoodwinked a little bit.

I won't deny that that might have happened, but I came way with my own opinions on it, and it just seemed like it was a silly case that got out of control.

On TikTok, I.

Haven't gone through it enough because anything that's relevant to the here and now, even with Charlie Kirk and everything that's happened, I'm really careful because if we're wrong that and you say it didn't happen, and it did happen, I just don't know how I feel about that.

Like I've said, small bits and pieces.

By the way, right before he got murked, he was talking about Mormons.

Just so people know, there's a clip out there where he talks about his team being Mormons on how much he loved the Mormons, and then he said there wasn't factual proof for the Book of Mormon, and the next thing we know, but bam, So, I don't know what's going on there.

All I do know is I don't think you should do that.

Are there any Mormon assassins that have ever?

Yeah?

Hell, yes there is, Okay, I guess that.

Yeah, yeah, they're all in there.

And I think what is happening is there's a new age form of Mormonism that is trying to bring back and maybe this is your maybe this is your flavor.

You gotta find them.

I don't know, ask Andreas so the new age type where they're like woo woo, new age more into the magical stuff and they're not necessarily in with the whole Hm, how will I put this three letter religion?

Okay, the Israeli religion, whereas the old Mormons are absolutely in bed with them and have been for a very long time.

And so when we look at those two things, I don't know that you can really talk about that unless you want to get mrked because the old Mormon's still running this bitch like they got all the money and maybe you guys are coming up and that's cool and all, but you just don't want to go there.

I think that that's going to be a problem.

So there's that.

That's my thoughts anyway.

It's just a thought.

I have no proof.

Do you think when a Mormon gets high up in the CIA, are they still more dedicated to the Mormon Church or do you think some of them are like more dedicated to the CIA.

That's a hard one because they hate the government, but they love the government.

They hate the government, you know, it's it's it's weird, right.

Yeah, I'm not suicidal either.

Somebody put that in the comments.

I'm just reading it anyway.

So I don't know.

I really truly believe there is no line between the two anymore.

So much for the true blue TBM Mormons, right, but these new ones, these new ones are a little different, and I can't prove that they even exist.

But I see some things, right, I see these magical things that certain people are saying and on TikTok and on Instagram, and I'm like, oh, that seems different.

I hope you're going to make it out okay, Like, I don't know that that's something you want to go public with right there, but you know whatever, I don't know.

So, yeah, it's a little scary.

And somebody said, I think she meant LDS.

No, I mean Mormons, because the Mormons are what they were when I Well, they don't like to be called that anymore.

But absolutely when I grew up, they were called Mormons, So that's what I call them.

Mormons don't like to be called Mormons.

Yeah, they don't want to be called it anymore.

And so, you know whatever, A lot of people say, the LDS is more the church entity with like the Banking CIA group, and Mormons are more magical and they're over here in this group.

But when I was young, it was all the same.

So that's what I probably wrong.

But if you're in the LDS, what is what is your Holy book called?

What's the name of your Holy book?

Oh, it's all the same, yeah, except.

The Book of Mormon.

Well it is.

But if you're FLDS or an older LDS, they do have the unabridged versions and they still do not intermingle with black people, and there's a whole lot more rules.

But it's but they're all called Book of Mormon, are they not.

Yeah?

Okay, so I mean they're Mormon.

I don't understand what the debates about.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, the president of the church said not to call them Mormon, but I don't care.

When I was young, the president of the church said we were proud to be Mormons.

There was a slogan for that, so like, it is what it is like that, but that was literally a real slogan when I was growing up, saying you should be proud to be Mormons and stand up to be Mormon and dah da da like so they change it with every flavor.

It's like ice cream.

It's like this guy likes vanilla better than mint, and the last guy liked mint.

So you got to do what they say this time.

And I just don't play their games because I'm out.

So yeah, I don't care about.

The word is just the m word, and if you say Mormon with a hard R then it's actually derogatory.

Yeah, but I'm gonna say what I want to say Mormons and get around it.

I mean, I grew up in it and it is literally my culture, So I'm going to say what I grew up as because it's part of my life.

But I understand that the LDS Church wants to be called that now, but you know, for me, just for me, I'm gonna call it what I grew up with because that's what.

It was, you know, Okay, I honestly, maybe you've mentioned that before, but I never knew that they were not supposed to refer to themselves as Mormons.

And it's even you telling me it doesn't make sense because I don't know, like you, that ship has sailed over one hundred years ago, Like you can't just say, you know, it's what was the Michael Scott like he just declares bankruptcy by screaming it out loud, Like it doesn't work like that.

There's way more now now, I'm not that.

No, I'm I'm not gonna be that.

And I think it's because you know, there's a lot of negative connotation mixed in with it.

So yeah, it's like a slur to them, but it didn't used to be.

The thing that's weird is that they literally had a slogan that used to say I'm proud to be a Mormon.

So I'm like, did why did this change?

But I mean, whichever way they do it, you know, it's who knows what Oaks will do.

Who knows what President Oaks will do.

It's it's wild who knows.

Yeah, No, I understand, bloody No, I'm not being mean.

I'm just saying that's like for me what I say, No, I knew what you were doing.

I disagree.

It's still it's still just it's hard to understand.

Hearing it for the first time, I get it, but it doesn't make sense.

Still, Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me, But I get what she was doing there.

She was trying to like explain what the profits of the church say now, and they are they're trying to rebrand everything, you know, just like they rebranded that they were from Palmyra, New York.

You've never ever once heard about Joseph Smith being from Massachusetts.

No one talks about that.

No one says, what, wait, what, well, what do you talk about?

There was nothing about that in anything I ever read.

And also supposedly, you know, they lost all their money because you know, his mother had quite a dowry when she got married, because they had money, and so both families had money, and the brother had done well in business and gave her this big dowry that they had supposedly lost it in Gin sing.

That's the biggest far fet shit I've ever heard.

I don't know what the story is with that one, but there's a story there.

I'll have to figure that out because I don't know.

Like, we put all our money in the gin, sing, so now we don't have any more money.

Like, what are you talking about?

It seems strange, And you know they're running out of town just the same time that you know the Dartmouth doctors running out of town because they ran him out of town for digging up bodies?

And what did Joseph's dad do again?

Oh, that's right, he was a treasure digger.

Why did they sleep by Alvin's body for three weeks?

Well, if I was a digger of some sort and I was worried about somebody doing unto me what I had done unto others, a little geenan out in the cemetery, I don't know that I would want my son out there alone at night?

Is that what it was?

Because I mean this is I don't understand how the treasure digging or ghost logic works.

But if you've got a brother or a son that was treasure digging with you and then they die, I would go out into the middle of the field with like their ashes or by a well headstone or something and be like because now they can like float underground and they can like find the treasure and point it out you and come back up and be like, it's right down here.

Right.

Well, they did say that the angel required Alvin to come the next time they met, right.

So the problem with that was he died.

So everybody jokes that he had a little hand in bringing hormonism.

And we know that they dug up you know, High and Joseph.

We know that they dug up all these people a whole bunch of times.

They moved Highram and Joseph three times that they'll actually admit to do.

I think there's any bones anywhere for them people anymore.

Well, I don't think they're in the dirt, that's for sure.

I mean, the templars carried around ahead, so they say, so.

I just think they figured out some things and they wanted to make sure right.

I mean, I don't think they'd want them just a loosey goosey somewhere.

No, no way, your spirit supposedly stuck in your skull.

So well, let me let me bring us in for a landing a little bit.

So we're coming up on Halloween, and I realize that Mormons are not the same as Jehovah's witnesses.

Mormons they do celebrate Halloween, right, they can dress up and love it.

Secretary, Yeah, they love it right.

They absolutely won up each other.

It is when you live in Utah for all holidays.

It is like the one up capital of the universe.

So everybody decorates to the max max.

But they play.

They do Halloween carnivals at the at the church, they do trunk or treat at the church.

They're completely involved.

Are there any costumes off limits in Mormonism?

No, you could go, well a little too fast.

I can come up with some examples.

You'd be like, well, no, that's not allowed.

Like.

Can you be a sexy nurse Mormon?

I feel like that would probably not be allowed, right?

Or is that is that normal?

Now?

Even in the Mormon community.

Have you ever seen the dumb Mormon wives show?

All right, it's like their time to shine.

It's the night that you can leave that stuff off, you know, your magical Mormon undies and be a little controversial.

Okay, you can dress up like well, I was gonna say, dress up like the devil.

But I guess in the endowment ceremony you're allowed to the devil.

Yeah, I guess really is off?

Yeah, they I mean like the kids have gone all bloody and weird when they were young, like with zipper face and crazy stuff, like they've never said anything.

They don't care black face.

Well, they might like that one too much.

It's very very historically accurate.

Really, Yeah, it's a you know, that's kind of the other way that that goes for the Bigfoot part of it is Nephelm Caine.

The other half is big scary black people.

Is basically what they said.

And I'm like, that is your.

Nope, that is bad.

I'm like, okay, we're leaving that there.

I'm gonna go with the Harry Nephelim.

What when you were younger trigger treating on Halloween as a Mormon?

What was like the best thing?

I mean, maybe it's just any normal kid and maybe I'm just throwing the Mormon part in, but was there like certain things that you'd look out for, like what was the what was the best candy?

And like a Mormon neighborhood, do they just give out like vanilla wafers?

And that's it.

Oh no, So let me give an example.

The houses down the street.

They're literally micro mansions, like.

Right now, in twenty twenty five, right now, and.

We take our kids down there because they do bounce houses in the front yard.

They have hot cocoa, they do hot cider.

They have full sized candy bars.

And not hot drinks.

Yes, yes, they have a only or like hot drinks anytime they want.

Now, No, this is just for Halloween.

And they open up their big mansions and they have these big tables and tables full of you know, just pick one, but they're king sized candy bars.

You can pick what the parents too, Like this is just a few houses near me.

If you have the bucket that says just pick just one please, would most more unattended if there was no adults around.

Would most Mormon kids only take one?

Or no?

And last year they had a cotton candy thingy.

Last year they had a guy making full on cotton candy for everybody, like a cotton candy machine guy.

Yeah, this is more.

Hardcore than any ever I've ever heard of any town going out, even in Salem.

They don't do cotton candy, I'm.

Telling yeah, right, yeah, no, they go wild.

Okay, right now, like two blocks from my mom, there is a yard, and we don't want to talk about my yard because I'm just as bad.

But they have like at least four like thirty to fifty feet tall, like those huge skeletons.

I don't know how tall they are, but they're the giant giant skeletons, and like people just go crazy here, like crazy.

Is there any chance during October is there ever a Mormon temple where people can go to temple dressed up as like zombies and vampires.

You can go them all.

No, not allowed in the temple.

Okay, yeah, you can go to the church parking lot, but you know that the church.

So if there's any temple near you that is getting dedicated soon, if you want to go to the temple before it's dedicated, of course, nothing weird is going to be happening at that time, which is funny because people always say, well, you know, you can go to the temple before they're dedicated.

I'm like, yeah, well they're not doing anything.

Then you've dumb, dumb, like you're just walking through a building.

But you can go walk through the building.

But the Salt Lake City one is coming up, so you might want to check into that where you're coming out soon.

So I'm just I'm just going to be in the airport for a layover in Salt Lake City.

But it's not out for more than that.

It's found its way onto my top ten of places that I want to go now worldwide.

Like it like Salt Lake Cities actually like in my top ten now because I've been lucky, you have to go to some of my other top ten, so I've bumped them all out.

Well, you should check around you like your area.

Any of the temples that are brand new, before they're sealed, they do this open house and you can go for free.

So before they're sealed, do they only steal once or is this like a frequent thing.

No, they dedicate them so before they do anything in them, that's like you know, their stuff.

Any of their ceremonies they have people come and see how beautiful the buildings are.

That's where all the pictures of the temples come from.

They're like, see, there's nothing spooky here, you silly guys, there's no devil in this ceremony.

I'm like, yeah, there's no ceremony.

What are you talking about of course, not like I was there.

I know the Devil comes, I was there, but yeah, it's I actually heard they changed it.

I've heard that they've kind of given up on PEW.

I think they made it instead of a two hour magical you know masonry thing where you have to memorize stuff, right, Okay, you understand about how important memorization is with things.

Now they're like, here's some cue cards.

Okay, Lucy, you come with me, Come and say these words right here, and then move to the second go to the second stall, go go, and.

They look here for actually the fall of Europe is I understand it.

And to bring it full circle back to Disney again that in nineteen fifty five, I think it was that the Mormon Church was able to get a three minute segment of Fantasia and they put that in the endowment ceremony.

And the reason that they did it was because they had just opened the first European temple in Switzerland, and in order to do this endowment ceremony, normally, like you said, they would have to like everyone has to memorize all these lines.

But now since it's the first one in Europe, all these different languages are coming together, and it's like what it is like that guy can do his part in like Swedish and that guy's going to do his part in Dutch.

No, so they standardize it and they turn it into a more of a passive experience where you don't have to memorize anything.

You just kind of watch like a little movie that they put on, or have people come and recite Q cards.

And now one of the recent episodes we did with about how they just did a temple right outside the Vatican.

So now here's another version of you can't expect everyone that's going to be in and outside the Vatican to all be speaking the exact same language.

And if this is your one chance to get them through the ceremony, then you have to cater to more people than less.

So yeah, it's it's kind of uh, they're no longer doing like the good old part that like Grandma.

They're not cutting Grandma on the knee anymore.

They well, Grandma was naked in the bathtub, like you know.

And so look, I just am saying this.

Do you really think that they shorten their ceremonies for their people.

I don't think they did.

I think their ceremonies are longer and just as magical as they ever were.

The rest of us are porch.

Mormons make it through cattle guard.

Come on, people, we gotta make this look real.

And that's all they care about.

In my opinion, that's just an opinion.

That would be sad.

I don't know.

Maybe they care about some.

I mean I think that they they know who is you know, special, and maybe they'll have them go.

But same thing for the missions.

You know, like if they're going on a mission, that's the perfect time to say, oh, yes, little Johnny went on a mission to the Netherlands.

No he didn't.

He went off to magic school and then learn some averc Yeah, like, I mean, it's perfect.

Think about it.

It is perfect to send them off to a mystery school and have them learn all the things they need to know, or go to CIA training or whatever they're doing, and then it's covered up by the regular people riding their bikes and getting them stolen.

Like we've talked about the Yeah, the muggles.

Yeah, that would be a great story too.

The Mormon missionary gets a signed to Hogwarts and he's like, wait, what you.

Would love it?

They would understand, like they would get it because I mean they're talking to toads.

Think about this.

I mean, we know about the toads, and you know, even though they're not that's the whole thing.

But anyways, the elementals.

Speaking of elementals, you know, one of the things they did in Salem to check the people for this is bad.

I forgot to tell you this earlier.

This is funny kind of was a handshake.

Nope.

One of their examinations.

And most of these people are women, they had to check them for their witches titty I'm not kidding.

And they had to feel their boobs and like some made casts of their boobs and if their boobs were weird or they had an extra nipple, that was to feed their elemental not kidding.

Oh, I've heard I've heard about that one before.

That's the witch's yeah.

Or if you have like a tail or something like, it's like ale.

If give them ale, shit, you're in trouble.

Oh my gosh, Like I mean these were.

This is this is like some old like like fifteen hundred's masonry talk here, but there was a very ancient version of masonry when this was also part of the initiation ritual.

Is that and people are going to take this in a weird sexual way, and I don't think it was like that, but who knows, but that you'd basically have to strip down and they would inspect your entire body and looking for flaws, and that it was this this like over application of a previous rule that basically said, if you want to be an operative mason and actually work and you know, climb and like do the work, that you couldn't have any physical deformities to you.

And what they were really talking about was like, you can't have a crooked finger, you can't be missing a leg, like all these things.

But over time, as the game of telephone gets played, it almost turned into like if you've got a nasty looking mole or something on your shoulder, like that's the mark of an impure person, that that that you inherently have some sort of defect with you personally, and now you can't be a mason for that either, And they over time they like phased all that out.

But that's sort of the same thing like if you had a witch's tit, you can't be amazing.

Why do you think Joseph Smith fought so hard to keep his leg?

Hmm?

Right, he had typhoid fever, and his mother and he fought to keep that lake and they actually signed up for like an experimental surgery basically and went through tons of pain.

In fact, at one point they said they they let off over two quarts of puffs from his leg and he's like nine, Like he's this little kid, and this is going on and on, and they're just actually removing the infected bone instead of actually removing the leg.

And he was one of the first where this really worked.

Funny enough, you know, his mom couldn't remember the doctor's name, and I found it super interesting because his last name was Smith, Nathaniel Smith.

He went on to form another medical school, that's right, the medical School at Yale.

And on and on we go.

They say they're not related.

They're related on both sides as very distant cousins of both parents, so and they'll just say they're not and that's great.

Like, I don't know what else to tell you, but you know, it's interesting to me that what you're mentioning with the Mormon Church was only phased out not very long ago.

Because my great grandma, not my great great grandma, my great grandma was naked in a tub being examined and totally immersed in oil.

And she told me to shut my damn mouth in the middle of the temple thing as I'm like crying.

She was not she was not amused.

She basically told me to button it up.

And she literally said I was completely naked.

Quit your wining.

She told me to cut it out.

So and for the alcohol thing, yeah, he couldn't drink alcohol, but we're not one hundred percent sure if he drank beer or not.

Because they could drink beer as long as they made it.

So they had a beer store.

Actually they ran a beer and beer in something store like goodies, but they have to make their own and it's a whole thing.

So and you're not supposed to get.

You can't get high on your own supply.

I assume that came from the Mormons.

Originally, well, they would.

Drink, but you know, his dad was an alcoholic, so there was some back and forth on that.

And then you know, even in the layman's there's some things about depression because if you drink too much, you're probably not in the best mental health, so there was stuff about that.

It's pretty it's pretty interesting, but yeah, I think you can't be drunk.

You can't be a drunkard.

So his dad kind of had a rep.

In fact, his dad was not allowed to join masonry for really, I don't know if he ever could because he just couldn't get it together.

The brother, all of them, everybody else but his dad had a rough time.

But if he would have lost his leg, who knows what would have happened there.

Right, you can't be a Mason, then that was all he ever wanted.

They literally when he was born, he came out with the call, which means the bag intact.

So when they came out, his dad ran all around.

This is like tons of people have wrote this down in their diaries and different accounts, that he was going to be a seer and that was because he was born with the veil over his eyes.

And so they literally said they knew from a very young age that he would be, you know, this seer.

So also fun fact for people that don't know, one of Joseph's very first rock's little magic rocks he was ever exposed to was the green one I showed you last time.

I can even pull it up if we want.

It was Sally Chase's rock and Sally Chase's Rock was his neighbor, and his neighbor went on to marry doctor Nathaniel Smith, not apparently related.

I love it.

I love how they just deny so bad, Like I'm like, lean into it.

Yeah, yeah, we freaking love Bigfoot.

Yeah, I don't know why there's so much denial.

All right, if you want to add that, there's Sally Chase's rock, and that was the first one he ever used.

He was pretty enamored with it.

He went on to find his own on the Chase property out will So his was this one, so people can know, and he stole it.

But you know, whatever, is this the chocolate one?

Yeah?

I don't think this is the magic one.

Honestly, they say this is, but I don't think it is, only because of the fact that this white one only we only have a rendition of the white one and it has never ever been photographed, and it's locked up like locked up, like down in the tunnels.

So I'm if I was a betting lady, I would say maybe the white one, but hey, what do I know.

He had a lot of them.

He even had one that looked like a big piece of pooh, so.

Was a stone chances that Joseph Smith found every single magical rock in the entire United States and there's no more left.

I mean, hey, he did know what he was doing.

I mean, he was digging up, you know.

I mean if one guy can get in possession of three or four magical searstones in his short life of like thirty eight years, and he found most of those but before he was even thirty, right, So that means statistically, every one of us could potentially be finding three or four magic stones each.

And there's how many people in the United States, Like, that's a lot of magic searstones.

I mean he had the stones, he had, you know, the bones of giants.

He had two mummies, I think two or more mummies.

They were actually charging admission to come and see the mummies at his mom's house.

I mean, that's pretty fascinating.

If nothing else, I'll give Joseph this.

And this is why I always tell you when you make me do the choice between Brigham and Joseph, that I would definitely choose Joseph if I had no other choice, right, no other choice, because he did believe in what he was doing, and damn he was interesting.

He really was interesting.

You know, Brigham was kind of a dick, I mean whatever.

Yeah, he had ties to the railroad, and that's where it all goes.

You know, I'm running away from America.

Hey can you help us build the railroad?

Sure, sure we can.

They didn't call on the phone.

See what he was doing.

I think he was smart.

He understood how to play the game more than Joseph Smith did.

And what did he do?

He sent people not only there, but to Canada, Mexico, Real, Mexico, further further.

That's where the Romneys went.

Hawaii thing.

Guess who did the whole Who was it that pulled Hawaii together?

The Gays, the.

Gaze and back to be more specific now.

I know it's uh so it's it's Bill Gay, who worked for Howard Hughes.

He's the one that did the Polynesian Center out there.

He's the one that made that whole thing mainstream YEP, one hundred percent.

And these families are connected to every other very important family, let alone the fact that they say they're Mari Ofingian.

I've got really interesting stuff for a DNA show on Joseph Smith.

So okay, well we've got one of those coming up.

What else are you doing.

Every time we talk, You're like, you're going on a bigger and bigger show.

What's the big one now?

Getting interviewed by like Obama or something?

Ye, not Obama.

Yikes, I think wait, I have to comment on this.

Brigham.

Oh yeah, Brigham was a huge dick.

Yeah you was, but he had a small one.

I think you're right because he only had he had fifty wives and fifty five children.

The math ain't math, and yikes.

So I just wanted to say that I think Joseph was far better at keeping his cup from overflowing and keeping his magical practices.

We'll say that I did go on a big show, and I'm hoping it will be out very soon.

I went on almost false, so that should be out really soon.

Congratulations, that's awesome.

Thank you.

What have you been up to?

What happened up too?

Well?

I guess I'll just plug the under the doc series again, and also for the rest of this entire month.

I don't know why.

I think part of it is just because I'm trying to get the episodes when I record them.

Now, if we talk about something topical and then it comes out like a month later, it's like a little bit dated, so I'm trying to just get rid of all my entire backlog and just fly by the seat of my pants here.

So for the rest of this month, every single day, I've got one, sometimes two, sometimes three brand new premiere show.

Like today there was a premiere at one o'clock, a premiere at three thirty for my interview, and now we're doing a live So that's three shows one day, and it's gonna be kind of like that for the rest of this entire month.

Every single day on YouTube at three point thirty Eastern you'll find some kind of a new interview or documentary review or conspiracy something on my YouTube channel and or a cult Disney and that'll go all the way through the end of the month.

And then on thirtieth and thirty first, we've got two Halloween movies for a Cold Disney.

We're doing Pocus Pocus and we're doing Halloween Town and uh yeah.

So that's if you if you want, just like NonStop content for the rest of this entire month, and it's on the audio podcast too, So just like a paranoid American.

Now, I'm sad because I didn't get asked for one no to be on your every day of the month October.

Well again, I'm flushing my backlog here.

I'm not like recording.

You're like, you're not recording every day.

I want cold Disney whenever you want to pick out a movie.

Okay, I was supposed to be on uh, we were gonna do one and then I think it just got too busy.

It was a I think Elsa.

I can't remember.

It was a while back, but we never set it up and it got lost in the sauce because we were both going crazy.

We've both been.

Working like like wild and so before the year's up, for sure you'll be on Disney this year.

People always ask me about the show as many shows as I do, which I swore i'd only ever do one show, and like, as far as show's going now, I'm like, I don't know, five or six shows.

I don't even know anymore.

But it's been fun, you know, I do enjoy it, and but we get a lot of compliments on this show.

So it's a great show.

It seriously is.

I think people like it hopefully.

I think we try to bring interesting things each time.

If you want more of these shows and you don't want us to end it.

We'll end it.

This could be the last show ever if you guys.

Don't do the little thumbs that hit the little thumbs up and hit the subscribe and add a little comment.

Uh.

And if you don't do that, this is literally the last show and you'll never hear from us again.

Oh we're gonna be devastated.

And please go give us an Apple review because they matter, they really do.

So anyway, that's my little speech on it.

Also, if you guys are only watching me on YouTube, you're getting at least only half of my shows because they doing me so much.

I got tired of it.

And I have over two hundred shows on my my Spotify, So.

Okay, I uh yeah, I accidentally didn't censor an interview that I had with Mariam Panine, the Bee Lady that George Floyd.

Now everything's fine.

Cold.

YouTube has been doing this weird thing where they're giving people second chances.

Now they're letting you talk about things that didn't let you talk.

I think it's a honeypop.

But either way, I forgot the sensor and it totally was fine.

It played ads.

I didn't get a strike or anything, So I don't.

Know every time.

Every time I do one about Mormonism with JJ, they demonetize me immediately.

Okay, well, I think I'm bringing a level of respect that maybe you guys aren't bringing to that particular show.

To the Mormon Church.

He likes to bring clips, he likes to do clips, and.

They Okay, well that's also probably part of it.

Yep, it's a situation.

But that's all right.

I do have a ton more content on there and on my Patreon.

We're still doing the medical series and this we are doing grotesque medical things that can happen to you, and there is some crazy things.

So I'm out.

I can't I can't take it.

I can't take any of that.

Yeah, okay, well we'll follow Heidi for weird medical stuff or follow me for fun stuff, fun non medical stuff.

There it is.

We got two different types.

Happy Halloween.

Uh go out there and I don't know what did you say the best Mormon?

Uh?

Go get your cotton candy king sized candy bar and your cocoa to.

Go the real thing.

Okay, go get your hot chocolate and apple slider and cotton candy for Halloween.

That's not a thing.

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