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Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on?

I am tanked Valentine and this is the R and B Money Podcast, the authority on all.

Things who you know?

You know we're going to R and talking about R and B in the trenches.

You know what I'm saying.

When it was only two R and B artists on the bill and the rest was rappers.

We was in the deep South, South Carolina, still to below Gaines Bill, Florida.

We was in the trenches to get the My little sister, my loved one around the way.

You understand what I'm saying.

Please give it up.

She so accomplished so many things.

We'll get to all that up.

Appreciate you will remember.

People don't remember.

Like I was doing shows.

Oh my god, we're rappers, so we would have to.

I was singing songs like Balance and having to walk out of club with the mic in my head because they would start shooting and fighting.

Absolutely, that's what that's that's where we came from.

They could never survive.

It would be just me and you.

I would look at the field then there would be miracles, murders, yes, tank little more so are y'all the original trap?

So I think, yeah, that way real.

Shout out to Bryson Tyler.

But I'm sure Bryson Taylor ain't never had to walk out of the club after singing a ballad to gunshots that way.

Listen.

I have been almost booed on some of these all trap shows whatever, like who is this nigga with the baby y' all on?

You know what I'm saying.

But you know it's crazy in milk character because when you could perform at any arena, especially the ones that you at least expected to get around of applause, that's when.

You know you.

Well, here's the other thing, too, is that you you of course started there, and when when I was coming along you you.

Already had hit.

You were already on hit records.

So when I when I when I came in on those shows with you, that was me trying to get my records played.

So you were like you were you were you were already kind of tried and proving before I got there, because you were going on a you're going after me, right, you know what I'm saying.

So when your songs came on, it was it was up, but.

You were you still had to work your way into that space, right for sure.

But when I saw you, he was cooking and I was like, I was like there on some R and B photos.

When I saw you on the bill or when I would see your name, even to this day, I was like, at least I know it's somebody on here that can really sing, because.

That's there's that That's how we got No.

I mean, it's kind of shame, but that's how that's that's that's what you did.

That's how.

That's shave shave right, yes, but that's how we got our record deals.

You know what I'm saying.

Even even even down to Jay like it wasn't it wasn't no fluff.

Like Jacob dance.

You know what I'm saying, There's there's that I could.

He could dance, right, I could, and I could dance to you know what I'm saying.

I was dancing in my first video.

You were.

I was full out choreography because we were all you know, before the cameras came on, we were talking about things that could have stopped.

You could have stopped you know, the progression.

Yeah, of tanking little Mo.

Yeah, and he almost stopped his progression with dancing.

No.

But the main thing that would have stopped all this ship no no no is if he would have kept trying to rap.

No, I wasn't trying.

First of all, shout out to michae light in the building.

My brother came across from brother.

Who knows my rapt pedigree?

I can't get it out, who knows my rap pedigree?

Okay?

They were clean wraps.

I was a church kid MC Hurricane really yeah, Okay, So were you like you were like bringing the rain?

I was.

I was bringing the thunder and thunder because this was this biblical, because biblical.

You were a church I would rap street ish.

You know how you watched Jason, Remember how you watched the box and all the dirty songs that were changed and had the radio Version's crazy.

Is I started out rapping too, because, like, my first time being on the.

Road was with my uncle John p Key.

So while I was in high.

School, I wanted some gangsters.

I ain't kidding y'all, Like.

When they used to turn them guns in in Charlotte, They'll bring it to his church.

That's but I used to rap as well, and I tried to do gospel rap, but I had that street edge because I grew up in church.

But he told me one day when I was like fifteen years old, he was like, I think you should sing because not there's nothing wrong with your rapping, but I think you should sing.

Because you'll last longer.

He never lied.

Wow that's crazy, right, wow, So like literally twenty nine years later.

Yeah, that way I I.

I stayed rapping, yeah, until until my tenth grade in high school, because I was I was battling everybody and me too, and I was I was, I was.

I was a battle rapper.

So yep.

And one in English class, our teacher in English class who used to always let me and this other kid battle for like a little credit, right, and so I would I would kill him, right, I would just go edd him.

And one day he was like, you know, I can beat you.

I was like, you haven't beat me yet, he said, he said, because when I'm rapping, I'm you know, I'm just I'm being lyrical, like I'm you know what I'm saying.

He's like, when you rapping, like you're actually battle rapping, like you're you're talking about me.

I haven't even talked about you yet you know what I'm saying.

And I was like, I was like, yeah, I hear you, but let's get to it right And so a philosophical.

Battle.

Oh yeah, that's where I really went down.

Listen.

And so we got to the class and he went first and he did his rap, and he he rapped so good, but he was actually rapping about me this time.

And remember you watched eight miles.

Yes, and what was his name, Papa Doc, who was supposed to go last after Eminem.

Yeah, well he eminemed me massacre.

His rap was so crazy and there was so many oohs and odds and so many o's.

I was like, I'm just saying this rapping story, just rapping, gonna do it?

What's crazy?

Man?

What's this niggas name?

He's not rapping?

We have to not rapping.

He works up.

We have to think, yo, listen, brother, I don't know your name.

So he reached out to you, will be like you are crushed you in the tip break Yeah made he probably is now.

Aside from him crushing tank, crushing DJ hurricane, whatever hurricane he was, we would we would personally like to thank you in the r and b world for destroying this man's rap career so that he didn't do that foolishness.

Man, I was good, so he said the rhyme about you for last.

And you might have said an R and B.

Yet he had never he had never rapped about me.

It was all ways about how good he was and metaphors and all of that.

Gotcha, you know what I'm saying.

And I was like, you know, I'm here, I'm going you with all the street pending, I'm talking about his close its weight like I'm going.

He's like, I've never rapped about you.

I was like, rap about me.

So that's why I'm you know.

But that's but getting to songwriting, yeah, which you do very well.

I think us being rappers, you know what I'm saying, and being lyricists.

Is why we were, why we are able.

To put these songs together and put these words together the way we do.

Not only honestly, growing up in the church help you.

I think it helped me.

I don't play you play like one hundred instruments.

I can't play just like a little bit of shower music on the drums, and that's about it.

I can just play music.

That's it.

That's it, and I think it helped with like melody and stuff like that.

You know, before you go there, Before you go there, we like to start at the beginning.

We are very very informative.

Elect to start at the beginning.

Because you already threw out the John Keeper super super.

Shout out to Bruh in the tenth grade, and John.

See what today is gonna be the death of him?

Oh you didn't tell us your name?

I was he was?

At first I was Sassy c.

Yeah yeah, in church, in church, it was it Sassy Church.

And then I would know for sing see everybody had those names.

And then I was young Wisdom.

I went through this whole.

VASI yeah, young wisdom.

I was like I went through join brand think that I was like that.

Everybody used to be a five per center something like that.

So I used to hang with the nour young Wisdom.

And then after that, honestly, John Picky gave me the name Lulu Moe because my last name is loving.

So they used to call me money for some reason.

Yeah, and then he.

Just stopped called me.

Yeahs put everything together.

That just stuck.

And my friend was just like my firvy nay because I was.

We used to drive from Fairville to Charlotte every Wednesday for rehearsal three hours there at three hours baby, So I would get out of school, drive to Charlotte to rehearse.

Then my dad would bring me back on Friday so we could go on tour on the weekend, and then he would pick me back up on Sunday.

So it was just like, okay, started beginning when you do it?

When we did?

Okay, when did you know when did somebody tell you?

When did the first church congregation say that baby got it?

Honestly?

Hm, Well, I used to sing songs in church.

I was like four or five and the first song I led was I think it was about a clock sisters, What a difference it makes?

So I was too, I'm going to be singing those grown songs.

But when I started saying with John, he was the one that told me you got something because I started rappits.

That was like in ninety one.

Shoot, I was in tenth grade, ninth tenth grade.

So that was the first time, Yeah, you got something special.

Yeah, So people always said that I was, you know, gifted, I had a gift because I was saying all the adult songs because he lives all the grown songs as a.

Child they director grown.

Yes, Yeah, because it was like when you seven were you five years old?

Sol, When now I was in the world, I didn't have a guy on my side.

You five years old?

Talk about when I was in the world and when you was outside.

The junior choir is God gave me your side, and Y like, it's that.

But then when you get up to the younger dultchiir, then you can start.

Singing the difference it makes when y'all walk with the love.

So this is like, so what happens in Gospel is like a portion of the Bible when Jesus goes from this from one age and he comes back when to come back three So he was up the world.

Yeah, that age of thirteen, that's really pivotal in a lot of people's like this.

Honestly, that's the age of honestly what they call it accountability.

But that's also the age that when you're trying to find yourself.

So that would be the age when I was just like, Okay, this is what I wanted to do.

I always want the ramp.

But I was just like.

Once my uncle told me at fifteen, sing you'll last longer.

At first, you know, I tried my son does it to me?

He's thirteen.

I'm like, yo, you should sing.

He was like, nobody wants to hear that anymore.

So I'm just like, yes, they did.

You really don't understand that's what touches the heart.

I'm not saying that rap doesn't, but it's just something about a melody.

It's just something about tone.

It's just something about that type of connection that just hit different.

So it's just like, yeah, but now they don't really talk about love.

They talk about love, but it's in such a different way.

So honestly, that's crazy.

I've never wrote a hate song in my life.

Mm hmm.

None toxic.

I remade a toxic song, remade Shirley Murdock husband, and that was like toxic, but it was still churching.

That was the first.

Yeah, everything was exciting and I had things in my life.

Yeah, okay, so you want to roll with John V.

King?

How long?

How long were you out with father John?

For like two years?

And then after that, once I I started out what low kid was, there was there, so I say, and I was next to Na.

So the musician name Garling met Waller.

Was the musician.

Cool played the drums, Eric Bryce's played guitar, and it was another John used to play the bass.

Like I was there, yeah, right after I was there for show Up.

So I came there with show Up.

Yes, you used to be the kid waiting on y'all.

And in d C when he would do the V I P.

Conventions, I'd be the kid waiting and I just played basketball with him.

At three o'clock in the morning.

Yea.

It used to be so lit.

The best part, and this is what I learned so much from my uncle is just like now I understand the it took for gospel artist.

Everybody on stage we just like, the music is jamming.

But when he would come out and slide on stage and the keyboard be ready, the people would go.

Crazy because he was like he was like.

Because he did the R and B, he did a Stanton cameo, Hello.

Cameo right.

So absolutely, yeah.

So his approach to gospel music was total was a completely different pocket.

Like it was like it was it was something we had never seen before, the structure of it, how solid it was like John could do something like this and everybody knew where to go or he make a noise and.

Everybody, Yeah, it wasn't it was.

We was like, so were watching the band on this side.

You had a band corner when the band where the band set up.

There were eighty musicians from that city sitting on the side like this.

And then you got the congregation watching the whole thing.

You got the singers all through the thing like it was ill.

The music was the praisest would put together music rehearsals.

Yeah, I did the v I was.

I was part of the vip Chuiir.

Wednesday rehearsals that I used to go to people like it was almost like a concert.

He would come in and have like a little bit of Bible study and literally from like six pm to two in the morning.

Now mind y'll would have school the next day.

He would write songs right there.

He'd be like, all right, y'all got to learn this right now.

I'm gonna give it to you know what I'm saying.

I'm gonna get this song up.

He would literally write songs on the spot, and that's I learned so must from him.

And he because he played, he was like makes you go to and they would go it was like, Dad, how did they know what he had that he was.

The first person I saw sing and not miss and I didn't.

I don't know how we didn't talk about it.

We don't talk about that enough.

We don't.

We don't.

That's a gift in itself, even if you're not.

Obviously John Kids is amazing, but even if you're just a good singer and you don't miss this, that's still something very special to prepare yourself to to honor your gift.

Everybody don't honor their gift.

We do a lot of things that go against what you're supposed to be doing to take ye, minister.

I might have been on the other side of you know, I might be at.

He was definitely no.

But that's but that's something that that that should be spotlight.

Yeah, when someone doesn't miss those type of artists just every night.

Yeah, you would never know if he was sick, if he was tired, if he was like you would never know because anytime he hit that stage, he would give it his all.

And you know, like, now let's say, well, what time I go on from nine to nine.

Thirty, he'll get up there and luck.

Yeah, especially especially what he does the what I used to love too and I learned a lot of that too.

Is like then I started to think of people's comes to his concerts just to see if he was going to get him money.

He would literally from his heart be like he would look at somebody be like, come here for a second.

He's like, what's your rent, Sheila?

We will recipes to her, Janette.

Your rent is what he'll.

Pay a foo.

So when I when I when I made Tank paid for that.

I got that from John Pickick.

Wow, I took that from him.

That's that's who I learned how to tip from.

And that's how you forever.

Before we used to go to I Hot and eat after the concerts.

Yes, I will watch him give hundreds of dollars two and I mean it'll be a bunch of us.

Think if a thousand dollars didn't matter to whoever was waiting on us.

Just watch him.

Why you give him so much money?

Like this?

Who just always take care of people?

To take care always?

Always first person I ever seen do that.

So I learned that from him at the concerts giving away money.

I want to bless you.

You look like you need a blessing.

How much is this?

How much does that give her?

That she give her.

That's that's why I learned it from.

Yeah, we can't.

He's gonna love this.

I can't wait to tell him.

Be like, you don't realize how much.

Even on down Tip.

When I started working with Missy, she was like, wait, John is like do you like?

People just did it again?

But I just you just champagne to miss to get there to John.

That way.

Like I was looking back.

Okay, none of us stopped it.

You just you stopped this.

Okay, we need information.

She so used to lean.

You relaxed.

You.

How do you go from John p Key to Missy?

How does that happen?

What's the internet?

Before Missy?

I actually toured with Guru rect in peace to him, I did jasmatask because I think at that time and did Dad report.

She couldn't go?

So I was singing her part?

How did you get that?

I?

Well, my cousin she was married to Gary, who is DJ Premier's half brother.

He I was have been in North Carolina like when I say, god, yeah whatever, he typed down or rope down for me before I got here.

He was in his bag And I never understood it till now because I never had the audition people just took their word for it.

So they took me to Guru's house.

He used to live like right in like Elmhurst, right between Queens and Long Island, so my aunt lived in Queens.

So my I was like, if I get this gig, then I can stay with my aunt.

And I wound up going singing his eyes on the sparrow in Guru's living room.

He was like, so, yeah, they're gonna call you tomorrow and we're gonna get you.

Do you have a passport?

I was like no, but my dad drove me up.

There from North Carolina.

He's always been my driver.

Not the fire in one time.

We'll talk about that later.

But like I just always I never had to really audition.

All I had to do was show up and I always got the job.

Okay.

So Guru, yeah you did the.

United States the whole and then the overseas.

So mind you, I'm just getting out of high.

School and you can and you're getting paid, Yes, you can, you can real money.

And I was just like, so, I'm thinking, I'm just going for the experience.

And they was like, well, this is how much you're gonna get paid this, And I was like and now tours that are already established.

So it wasn't like so they taking care of y'all.

Yeah, Like I'm like, for damn, this is more than.

I get a child working a job or anything.

Before you caught this kid, I.

Never had a job.

Like, I've never filled out an application in my life.

I wanted to fill out one because I was living on four break and I want to work at Wendy's.

But then I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that because I used to breid everybody here and I went.

To Macy's one time.

Really, yeah, I thought I was going to get a job.

How old was you?

Like a teenager?

Because they made everybody a job at fourteen.

I think I was like sixteen seventeen.

I was just like, you know what, I like clothes.

I'm going here, listen.

I'm tired of selling, right, I said.

You was another side of the.

Was I wasn't avoiding dope.

I see something earlier when they said Doude don't line said I'll gonna stop taking crumpled up money because he opened it up and half of it was a dollar, half of it was a twenty.

Yes, said drug dealers.

No trust me.

My stint with jobs were I had.

I wanted to get some clothes during Christmas time, So I went and worked at the oak Tree for like two months.

Forty wrapped about the oak Tree.

He did rap, he wrapped.

Yeah, I was working at oak Tree.

When you get the whole suit for ninety nine plus your shirt and tie, that was the pack out the pack that was me.

And then I put it with a Sati tie and some Kenneth cold shoes.

Just dress that thing.

So anyway, and then my second stint at a job.

I'm so I'm so mad that Mike laid he let you wear that.

Go ahead, yeah listen.

And then from oak Tree, I went to uh I had.

I had a job at a parcel plus where we used to make coves and deliver the mail and all that stuff, right, And so I sent off I sent off the first and won mixed blueprints.

It is mixed, so it.

Was it was remember and that's the basketball thing, all.

The plants for the shoes, the shirts and all of that stuff.

Yeah, I sent I sent those off to to whoever they ended up doing to deal with to get I sent those off.

That's like my claim to fame.

I shipped those that dope and he the guy was from Maryland.

So did that and then I did that for like about three months, and oh you know why I got fired?

Oh you know why I got fired?

Let me think what could have I can't even think of, like.

Why, I'm gonna tell you why I got fired?

Yeah, pastor John p Key?

What happened?

You hung out?

I stayed out all night with the church with John v Key playing basketball and eating it.

I hoped and I woke up late.

I was supposed to open the store.

It was like my third fourth time.

Being l So listen.

So what this comes down to is John p Key was the reason for both of y'all.

R and B music got you fired and told Sassy c over here, this ain't gonna work.

Y'all say see little wisdom, whatever whatever you own, what was bad?

Look here?

Uh you need to sing?

Yeah, your last.

Johnny Key was you know everything?

So that's your.

Route checks seeing the worlds?

Yeah, seeing the world?

How do you get to Missy?

So what I remember coming back, I had started hair school because the tour was over and I was like, let me just go do hair because I didn't know if the music thing was gonna work out or not.

And I was still too young again.

Do you remember Nel's in New York News that was like everybody used to go and singing.

It was like an open mic.

That's where I used to go.

So I was sneaking because I wasn't twenty one, but I was sneaking.

I would see like Carl Thomas.

They was like Mariah Curry gonna be here, Kelly Price and.

Mariah Carey.

Because I was like, wait, who named my favor?

I was like they used to be like these persons, deep people are gonna be there and what was what was his name?

Ron Grant used to have an open mic t and I remember I was like, one night, I want to sing at these and I went and I signed up and they didn't ask me for ID because the people I would go it was always grown.

I always always thought I was grown, for like I always home with grown people.

And I said that's why, but I ain't young now.

Job But I sang a Laura Hill song, killing me softly and I killed it.

And then after that people was like, yo, you should do something.

I was like, dag, my uncle was right, but I was.

This was after I came off tour, so I was doing R and B and if I used to feel so convicted, like oh my god, hey, I'm singing this secular music.

I'm gonna burn with the devil.

I always thought I was gonna burn with the devil.

That's what kept me from it.

But then I realized I was like, wait, people still love me, so I'm gonna do this.

So I had started working with like producers and stuff, writing songs and referencing songs, and for some of my reasons, some of my references got to Missy and I was in the mall and Green Neckers Mall getting my just finished getting my nails done.

That's when we had beepers.

So I moved to New York.

I was living in Queens, so going to their school and just like going to open mics and just trying to make a name for myself.

And Marylyn Bob had ron Ron was his his, uh his.

He had two assistants then.

So I remember getting a beeper whenever said two on two.

That meant money, child, that mean money.

So I called her back.

They was like, Maryland, want to speak to you, And I was like for real, and so he was like yeah, Missy Elliott wants you to call and I'm like, out of here, Missy don't want me to call her like this, like nig.

I'm at the mall here, want you to call her?

And I was like, no freaking way.

Hold on the second, I remember putting the payphone down because that's when the drug dealers had all the bad phones, and them phone bills used to be high.

So I found a piece of paper and a pencil and I said, what's her number?

And I had I remember having a phone like this, write her number down.

I called her right then and there, and she must have been in probably a Lamborghini or something, and she was like hold on, hold on.

She had a car phone.

I was like, hey, what's up this little mo?

I tried to sound like.

Is this a certain voice of song?

It's like, Yo, what's up?

I remember, I was like, Yo, what's up this little mom merlin Bob told me to call you.

She was like holdo, holdo, hold on.

Malik turned down the music because that's when remember Malik that used to dance with her by her, So he was like, she's like.

Turning song perfect.

Because it was so I'm so dramatic.

But now I get it, like that's really how it felt like.

It feels like a movie.

But it was just like she was like, Yo, your voice is Doe, Like, Yo, can you come to the city today.

I was like, let me check my power polic YEP, I'll be there.

And I remember going to the city and when I met her and we were the same height.

He's like, I didn't even have to talk talk.

And then the rest was literally history.

Like from there, I sang Whitney Houston saving All My Love for You, and she she didn't tell me Whitney was coming to the studio that day.

What is the bar?

Yeah, not that same day, it was like months after.

So I would reference Missy would write the song.

She was like reference some you know what I'm saying.

So I would be I was like, do you want me sing all over?

She was like, do your thing because that's gonna make.

You know people.

So I remember sitting in the studio and then all of a sudden, like Whitney Houston walks in.

I'm like Jesus, like no, no, like this is not happening.

So I just remember just like Whitney coming up to me.

Because the soci wro yes, Miss miss It was called Yes and I referenced it.

Whitney like hugged me.

It was just like you like she was so hyped up.

Then she made me go in a booth with her and vocal produce it.

I was like, how do you tell the greatest freaking voice of the world that had all the church girls want to sing secular music with some annointing.

I'm standing in the booth with use My thoat is so dry because I'm nervous.

She gave me a fisherman's friend.

A fisherman's friend.

Yeah, them live.

You ready, you ready to your mind, your mind you.

Not knowing that they really ain't for saable.

But it was like that's I mean with like everybody, everybody.

Is that how you ended up getting your record deal?

Or so yeah, how long are you with Missy?

I was with like, literally, what you're doing, You're you're doing working.

Session work, doing session work for the people who don't know this is the process for you.

So you go on tour first with Guru, do you link up with Missy?

And Missy is an amazing producer songwriter outside of being yeah, an artist, but her vision.

So with Missy, now you in a sense on staff.

Yes, you're doing her demos for it.

Yeah, okay, but she sing too, of course, Like, no, she sings.

Too, like we know a lot of people student sauce.

Her harmonies of course because she comes from that jodasy.

So we were stacking.

Now you could do copy.

Yeah, Missy comes from the basement.

Yes, so we were stack.

At five, ten, fifteen to twenty child, we were stacking vocals.

That's what we came from, the stacking vocals ds.

So she taught me so much because I didn't know studio work.

I was.

So that's when I learned that, you know, outside, singing live and studio is totally different.

I hate being in the studio.

I feel cloustrophobic.

I feel like my ideas don't come, like don't come to life.

So I was glad that I had her skeleton there and then I could take it to the next level because Hot Boys was just her and then I sang with it.

So now she let me bring that church ad libs which people you ain't got to do.

All that.

Let me get busybody.

Said, so, how long how long were you there with your deal?

Like, so I had my deal, I was signed to a lecture.

But it was just like I was working with Missy.

I was just like, I don't even want to Yeah, I don't even really want to do nothing.

And all the songs that I was picking, and you know, all the songs that they were picking, that's what I did to that.

I was working with Mattel Jordan and them, so they were picking songs.

I was like, I don't think them like, these songs.

Are great, but I don't think it's gonna translate to I had tattoos, gold teeth at the time, braids, so I looked like a rapper, but I sang like a church girl.

So you feel me.

I was trying to blend those both worlds.

So just like Missy taught me, just like just don't settle for nothing.

Be who you are.

And that's how I knew out the gates.

She was like, these niggas got money charging, Yeah, so to get me to show up to Vocal.

Product, that's a word.

These niggas got charge them charging so yeah, so many charging mm hmm.

And so that like I learned the game early.

It's totally a blessing because I didn't have to go through with the manager.

So me and Mom like I'm cool with.

Everybody, but I always got to deal directly with the source and so really that taught me everything I know.

So, yeah, first hit record, they.

Was coming back to bang it's not Superwoman oh by myself?

Yeah, but like I was doing, like hot Boys came was.

It?

Hot Boys?

Put it on me?

And then I cried, like but I recorded, I cried before I did.

Put it on me.

Child.

It was like so much stuff.

It was just going back to back to back.

Okay, so those records will be four Yes, Why did I not know?

Really that's why people like I love you from the nineties.

I said, I don't know why you love me for the nineties.

It wasn't out.

I was on other people records in the nineties.

But min said, you did your first recor come out?

Oh I got I think, oh one, your first single Superwoman came out two thousand and one.

Okay, so we are yeah yeah, or like.

Two thousand and two thousand and one, because you know, me was out in like ninety nine, like we just celebrated like Anniverse.

I like, man, these songs older than mature, Yeah, really are?

Yeah?

Because I solo, our solo career's mirror.

Then you was already active, but you was too.

I was singing backgrounds.

I didn't have no music out, none at.

All, but that's what I was doing too.

You had records on that features though you.

Had like but is, I still didn't think I madded, So it didn't count to.

Me telling you from sitting watching watching all the videos, you was cracking.

I appreciate that because like to me, it was just like Dag, I still got more work to do.

But like tour with Missy, that's when I.

Got to tour with literally everybody every day, being with a Leah like that, those kind of things, I'm just like, nobody will ever have that opportunity.

Those were we're doing jay Leno and then going doing tour like she.

Missy stayed on tour for years, so it just used to be so dope just to.

See her in her element and she's so shy.

So once she's done performing, she leaving.

I'm just like Dag, like I really get to live the life.

I really got to live the life.

So you were kind of like Charlie Murphy to Eddie Murphy.

Like Eddie Murphy, very Murphy went home and then Charlie Murphy.

What need Yeah.

Yeah, no for real outside but yeah, like that was a blessing.

This Superwoman.

I always noticed that it says super Woman two.

Yeah, we're Superwoman one.

So Superwoman one?

How did that go?

Yeah?

Well super.

People have been asking me that because recently it's been added to streaming site.

So nobody knew for years that there was a part one only yeah, because they just they thought it was current White.

So it was just like, so why wouldn't the part two Part one?

Part one?

Part one was Brian Coxon, That's what he was talking with one.

Yeah wow, yeah, And they told us the song was too cocky.

It was two because I was like, you ain't gotta look Jermaine was the one who I was like, yo, you like you kill it.

I was like, you ain't got to look up in the sky for a bird or a plane or you're looking for.

A change and I'm saving you.

Has got the s on my chest summer suit for boom.

You ain't got to look up in the sky for all bird.

Never heard.

But it was like remember that Beanie single beat Stop Chill.

We used that for Beacox put keys on it.

So it was like I was too Cocky, so that was called super One.

We thought it was going to be a problem with Carol White Superwoman because then the titles and then registering it.

So I was like, all right, bet.

I was in l A.

There was remember when dream Works had the labels.

There was an artist named Canela Cox and I was bocal producing one of her songs and she was done.

She had two hours left on her session, and I was like me and my manager at the time, Lorio, I was like, we might as well use this time.

Clue had left a beat and he was like, if you get this song, Clue, Yeah.

DJ Clue did Super One part one, So there was wasn't the keys part.

Excuse me, there wasn't even.

No keys on it.

It was just so.

What I did was I smoked me some weedy.

It we ain't never heard nobody.

I smoked some weed and I went in there and I sang Superwoman down because I was so used to Missy teaching me do your vocals different ways each chorus.

So when I found out we.

Could fly vocals, I was like, fly because we don't have much time left and we have to get it out of the jelf.

The dad.

Yeah, so and I didn't want to label to find out.

So dream Workino was I think her.

He was like, Yo, they got some money over here.

We used to He was like the.

First checks right, and and Jerry Ross Terry.

Always hit different.

Let me tell you, Jason Joshua josh was just working together the amazing mixed master God, the mixed soologists.

Yeah, was at one point in DreamWorks really well, I see song structure too, while he was a A and R Yo, So what do you mean the hook?

So you know what?

Yeah, how do you have this job?

I think at that time they probably just hired black people.

So like, wells God is godfatherism nepotism that way, listen, I believe in that.

I believe, I love it.

I believe in people putting people in the position.

Yeah, I love you brother, absolutely.

Okay.

So you so you steal her session?

Yeah you do Superwoman too.

So because this was the other thing that, like you said that that first that first sound that kicks in, there were multiple songs for you that in my mind, I was like, these sound like ghetto video games.

It sounds to me like if if Nigga said this is house super Mario sounds.

But then you would come on singing church.

So just imagine, imagine there was no keys, no strings, no baseline.

It's just so I literally drums, no drums.

It was just.

That was it.

That was it.

So I sang it all the way down.

When it got to the bridge, I had to you could probably hear it, like if you go back, you could hear I had to do.

I said, drop the music out right here, and so I say every day love you in a space shoe shick it has so I literally sang off my snack, now, don't not play.

But I sang it like that and added the backgrounds.

So when they finally got in with the with the additional keys and programming people, they played around there.

So it's really he goes a little secret.

It's really not on.

I always sing off timing, but to be on time, you get it.

So it's like MAYP, don't never on the B but it's always yeah, it's started that.

I was like the person.

I was just like, I know, I sing off beat, but it's like it's a vibe.

It's you told me and I'm gonna tell you.

You gave me a cop in one day, and I think I probably went back in the Bacon Cry because I was like, damn, Like.

When you notice people that really sing and really do this.

We was at d night show in Atlanta.

You was like, Sis, you've been one of the only people that can sing with tempo.

And I was just like, I never thought anybody noticed you.

Was like, and like, you feel me sing though you was like able to sing with not like dance around and you know what I'm saying and and and dumb it down.

You've actually been able to actually sing a real vocal.

That's a blessing.

And so to hear someone notice that, be like, yo, how do he know?

Because people don't be.

Knowing because I want someone to so bad but I couldn't fink I couldn't figure out the science on it.

But you know what's crazy, It's like then I'll listen to your song.

I'm like, like, how do you know?

And I was like, God, I thank you for the gifts you have given me without repentance, and the talents that you have given me.

But I wish I could play because if I could play, I was like, I killed all of these bitches?

Is that your prayer to girl?

I know?

God?

Like crazy?

You know what?

And before you rested.

But it was just like I used to always.

Feel like if I could play, then then they'll really be able to get it.

But then I realized my voice is my instrument, and if they get it, they get it.

If they don't, they'll get it later.

And now a gift and you and you like you have songs that I mean, you know this when they come on this is twenty twenty two.

Yeah, they lose their mind like they lose their mind when we do R and B clubs, when we went Headliner and Mike Gardner them in in Miami, your songs played their semi videos.

And I'd be like, yo, this is like, how do they still?

But then you know what, what maya Angeli says, not what you say or what you do, is how you make people feel.

And I always realized a lot of these people were.

In elementary school and junior high running home to watch one O six in part they remember that, and so now that they're growing up, we like you all remember running home and ask my mom can I get them color hands?

And they don't know what I used to have to go through to be able to get the blue hair, to be able to wear those colors.

When yo, we don't want you to scare the consumer because.

You know it's a.

Used to whole other meeting, remember the meeting.

And he used to have to tell them like, y'all don't get it, and they would be like, who the fuck you think he is?

You think because your Christmas brother?

Wow?

Well okay, now we see what they got now, every the same tattoo, tattoos all in their mouth.

I just have to hide my tattoos.

I used to have to hide my tattoos.

So I was just like, nah, and you know what you work for me when I saw you, and what I still feel when I hear your music.

Now, there was a time in music when it was very shiny, right it was.

It was the puffadd air.

Everybody knew about it.

It was the shiny suits.

And then DMX came and he made music very aggressive and very soulful.

People didn't People don't God rest itself, people don't mention how soulful DMX is music was.

You felt it to this day, to this and like you said, said to this day, they can play one hundred R and B songs and then one of yours comes on and it's dark and hell is hot niggas is getting to it when a little Mo record plays, because you bring a different type of grit and grind to R and B music that just didn't it didn't exist from a female's perspective.

It's so aggressive when it comes on.

It's like we went when we were just in Miami.

We were all in Miami together having a good time.

Man, I had so much fun.

Is y'all don't understand how much fun I had?

So looking big, my sister's like, bet you was.

I said, I came from a very dark place.

So the pandemic was a blessing for me so to be able to get out and to enjoy and to let my hair down so I can sing on stage.

And but when I get to be like because I see you on stage and I'm like saying, but when I get to be like, I get to be a fan.

Family, but I'm a quean because you got active.

Yeah.

No, And when and when that record dropped, when they dropped your record at the end, it was it's just like it.

Was like your mother.

Like people said to me, They was like, Mo, you was full.

They was like, yo, you seem like you love to have I said, I.

Did you had a ball.

You asked the same question like nine times.

Yeah, and I still want to ask you that question today, but I'm pretty sure she asked me to.

I'm like, you got to ask yeah.

Question.

But yes, you know, speaking of your music and your past.

And the things that you had to go through in this industry that looked at female R and B in a certain light.

It was very light skinned, it was very soft.

It was you know what I mean, that's just let's just be real.

It was.

It wasn't no tattoos.

If you had tattoos, you was putting some clothes over those tattoos.

There were things that that in this business from a female R and B perspective, just weren't accepted.

It was just like that just doesn't work for the consumer, when in reality, these motherfuckers didn't even really know the consumer.

They were so far removed or removed from who outside it was and is they were not outside.

And you want to know what's crazy is once I got outside and I learned from myself, I found out I was just like, why am I big in the Bay Area?

Why are we talking?

I come out to these girls?

Was like, yo, big in the trenches is because I look like they can look like with you.

Yeah, I'm from the band.

You want to know what's.

Crazy is when I go out there the love I would thought because I was like around when the East Coast and West Coast, like I was around that time, So it was just like if you.

Came out here, do your work, get your assho you feel me?

So then you went there and felt that love different?

Yeah, you said summer gyms or something like.

To this day.

To this day, I was out there a couple of weeks ago.

They had a I forgot what they.

Call it, but it was Bobby D Presents Me, John Ashanti, Nelly, Yin Yang, Twins, Loul, John A, Marie, everybody was there.

Yeah, and so I'm thinking, who gonna show up to this thing?

That they were sold out?

And I looked in the crowd and what they told us was the consumer.

The majority of people didn't even look like me.

It was all Latinas, it was all people, and they were by being Yeah.

So because we did.

Oakland and our terror and I was just like, now, twenty years ago, they told me I wouldn't connect with the consumer.

You don't want to scare them away.

So what they further.

Lets me know is that they thought I wouldn't connect with the crossover.

Then our records crossed over.

Then we broke records.

Then we broke so many records.

We put it on me that they had to retire, and they swore that they were paid.

Yo, it was a whole thing.

I was like, wait, who paying for tap?

People call up there.

I was like, yo, I can't even that was a time.

Remember you get even pay for the car.

They said that they were paying people that depth Jim got to be paying to have that song play that They was like no.

People was like no, I really called up there and they had us come out there and retire to record because they was like, there's no way y'all can always.

Be number one for like you know that record was?

I used always wondered.

I was like, well, what is so big about it?

Because to be honest, I went in there and freestyle everything and none of it rhymed.

What was so big about it?

Where would I be without you?

Baby?

So if you need me, if you own me to put it on you, because I love you, don't you forget it.

Whenever you need me, if you own me to put it on you, come on where do it rhyme at?

That's the you know they like they'd be like, you only can sing a minute of a song because people lose their interest.

We can sing that whole song up until the come on, don't you know that alive?

You?

I need you?

I won't you won't you put it to the into the song where you hit the rocket go off?

Wow, that's a blessing.

None of it wrong, none of it well would I be if it won for your baby?

May?

Because so time to be alone?

When if it won't, none of it wrong.

If it won't to't for you?

That's that church, that's.

Will and will.

Won't he will?

That was the most incorrect English.

But bevery you know what I mean?

Won't he wear that me?

Didn'ty?

Did has he ever?

Need?

You know?

What?

Did?

Did he not?

Do?

It?

Great?

We understood.

So that comes out before Superwoman?

Yes?

So does that speed up the process at a lecture at the time to say, hey, we're going with a little more right now, because we all know how that shit goes to when you're signed and it's like, oh yeah, she in there with MISSI and they doing whatever they're doing.

But were not really paying that much attention.

It didn't speed up anything.

Now I had to send that record back to Clue.

They wind up literally rushed putting it together.

Duro was his partner, so the fact that he was an engineer mix it right then and there.

Clue used to have a thing called Monday Night Mixtape in New York on Hot ninety seven.

Back then, he played it on his show.

He made the label catch up.

He was like, he said, I promise you so it's Fab on there at the time.

Yes, because Fab is a new artist.

Yes, so while we're in the studio and once I send it the clue because that beat was initially for Mop, let's let's let's.

Start thereas would have been talking about kidnapping's.

All going deep everywhere.

But they was like, who you want to get on it?

Because that'll be dope if you have a rapper.

So by that time I had already worked at everybody.

You want to get down, you won't getting new em you want on it?

I was like, Yo, the board, I'll be spelling his name on everything.

Spiz, Yeah, he came.

They used to call the Fabulous Sports, so he used to call on Spiz.

Okay, so he comes to the studio him.

That's when he was with Webb and Chao, and I remember like they came with yellow bandannas on and chicken boxes and he had the next help page like this.

So I was like, all right, I'm gonna let you do your thing.

Do you need anything?

He was like, no, I'm good.

Just he said, well I asked, so I leave out and I come back.

I was like, you done?

Oh lord, I hope this thing sounds dope.

It's the Monday Night mixtapes he be doing.

Yo.

He was like, so he said, just let me just let you know.

I did a little something on the intro just in case you could keep whatever, and then I added something down the end.

So it was he was like, I guess I ain't got no reason to mingle around what he said, I found a superwoman that can leave from the truck.

And I said, we at here, yeah, and I heard his.

Yeah, we are at all.

By that time, because you know music at this point, are you new?

You know hits?

At this point that you're around Missy, you can you can tell.

I'm like, that's it, that's it.

So remember back then, if you put out a record, the label can cease and desisted and stop it, but.

It was getting so much.

I've been ceasing, desist.

I have to have you.

No, I kind of ceased and stop it on Shots Fired A Yeah, pulled the shot fire yeah.

Yeah, because because they were trying to get going.

C G T.

Yeah, and they were like, your record's going to interfere and I was like, what do.

You mean and now you can put out Yeah we should have.

We should have stayed with it.

But what's crazy is is that everything that we wasn't allowed to do then doing.

That, and I'm like, I'm.

Everything I'm not supposed to do.

Yeah, Like I've literally I can feel a hit record I've been around because I've been around everybody from the Missis, the Times, the jay Z's, the.

A and I's like, I knew everybody, so I knew what a hit record felt like.

Damn the sam because for you to pop up on a record like parking Lot, yeah, they gotta really they got to really get in his bag to understand that little Mo was on Parking Lot.

And then Jay called you like yo.

Because I used to think I was his cousin come to the studio.

I used to think I was everybody's cousin from.

John jay Z.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

It's crazy, that's insane.

It's crazy, and I want to know and I don't know if people I pay attention to a lot of different ship.

When you would sing hooks for niggas, you wouldn't sing them as a girl.

You would sing the hook as they would sing the hook, which was very odd to me, really, like, what's the what's the what's the fabulum?

Can't let you go, oh, yeah, well you're.

Singing to the girl with him, but you're supposed to be the girl.

But parking lot pimping?

You singing about parking lot pimp like you wanted.

A niggas you are?

Really, I didn't even you know what, I didn't even think about this.

I just thought about that, Yo, that's crazy.

You could gets me in the boglar hollering that bitches.

Now I think about it.

I used to want to be big and a nigga so bad because you really had to be at.

Yeah, so it was like I like I had to That's a great that is that is perception.

That is crazy.

I'm like, I really did that.

Look at me, whatever this is.

I'm buying the whole bottom.

I none of those.

This this is a videt me thinking so damn.

So there's also life.

I won't say after music, but all within music where to be TV and radio?

Yeah?

And what were those transitions like and that did they come at a at a time where you needed them or were they things that you just decided, you know what, I want to branch off and do some other things.

Let me get in to this space, because you.

Know, I know from an artist's standpoint, there are we all know there are There are mountaintops, and then there are valley lows, and then we gotta we gotta.

Gotta livot, we gotta pivot, we gotta scramp.

Yeah you know what what y'all got from me over there?

Yeah?

Okay, all right, we fight.

We're fighting chickens, all right, all right, I'm the announcer at the chicken fights.

On Wednesday nights.

They got this ten piece.

It's a it's okay, y'all come on see me at the chicken fights and I'll be at the.

Bullfight, yo, yo, Like no, people have no idea.

So how do you get to television?

I did radio first?

Okay, well, so this is how I got in the radio it's so crazy.

I would I was.

I was living between Maryland and New York at the time, and so I used to watch Martin in high school.

So like when I met Martin, I told him, I said, had it not been for you, I wouldn't have been able to do radio.

Shout out to Ursula and Raid and is my homegirls, these Martin sisters who I love very dearly, and they be watching the podcast.

Everybody watches the podcast to believe, trust and believe.

So I remember Tracy Clarity was the program director at High ninety seven, and so one day I think I filled in for I used to feeling for Angie Martinez.

I would feeling I filled it one night for Funk Flex.

Everybody used to have me feeling I filled in one morning for That's what Starring buck While was there.

Yeah, she was just like, hey, you want to come working radio, and I was like, you know, I will, But the label was like no, because.

That'll be a conflict.

Yeah, competition and.

Conflict, and that's what the conversation.

Yeah, that's what I learned.

They used to tell you know, Nat, they can't tell you no because they'd be like, you, that's discrimination you're telling me, I can't work, you know what I'm saying.

How it supposed to take care of my family.

So I did radio because of that.

And then when I got pregnant with my daughter Heaven, that's when I was just like THEA.

Mitcham, her and Jay Stevens.

Yeah, like I got history with all the ogs.

THEA.

Mitcham gave me my first afternoon drive show in Baltimore.

It was called X one O five seven.

They had just switched from like talk radio or sports radio to hip hop and R and B, so mind you ninety two Q had been there for years.

So we were a new black station coming into a market that you're at least expected to make it because Baltimore, you.

Don't like you talk talk.

We were at least expected.

You at least expected to make it.

Especially it was almost like remember when Powa Wonta five started, Oh High ninety seven, being here, ya ain't gonna last.

Ninety years later we lasted.

So it's just like I was just like, look, I'm pregnant, my dude, I don't feel like this is my first child.

Don't feel like going on the road.

She was like okay, and she said, if you listen and pay attention.

You'll have a number one one show.

I listened and I paid attention, and I had a number one show against the we beat the number one shows.

That was in Maryland.

So after I had my daughter, I wanted to stay there, but the label call was just like, yeah, it's time you go back outside, child, And that's when I start.

I did Meet the Girl next Door album, so I did that whole album pregnant.

So I was like nine muchs pregnant recording a whole album.

Remember Mike, Mike was in the studio.

Was like walking from the studio recorded, and then just like the birth of my daughter, I was like back out on the road, like a couple of weeks later, and.

I remember John p Key called me, niece, did you die from you together?

Don't be going out there on a who knowledge?

Well, you said a couple of weeks after.

Yeah, was six weeks.

Oh yeah.

And I was outside before that because I just I've never said, if you realized, I've never sat down to day in my life since I was fifteen, even before then.

Like I was doing That's why you're still in shape?

Though?

Yeah, really let's talk about that though.

Man, kid.

Yeah, five.

I got a started five on.

Five.

What are we doing?

Yeah, So it's like I was every time I have a kid, people like every time you put out an album, you have a baby, I'm like, damn it, I gotta stop this.

So it was like, you know, once, yeah, once my daughter she was born, and she was like she's to this day, she's twenty years old.

She's at FADS.

So I was like, I just thought I could take on the road.

So she's been on tour and everything, and they let her get her shots early because you know, you supposed to wait like eight weeks.

But she had teeth at like two months, right at that two month mark where they supposed to get this.

So I was just like we outside.

We was in Jamaica, and.

I was like we outside outside with the new baby.

And my mom and daddy because I'll be like, I'm not hiring no nanny.

I don't trust people around my kids because of trauma that happened to me when I was a child.

So I was just like, yeah.

So my mom and dad used to travel a road with me to the good stuff, and they were preachers, so there was circles and prayers around us.

Preachers to yeah, my dad's a bishop, but he's the cool driver.

He was.

Yeah, I had to fire him because he fell asleep one time and I was like, we can't have that.

The Lord covered you because you still.

The Lord cove because we ain't end up in no disch child.

Do you remember the church trips?

How many times we didn't know if those drivers was licensed.

You gotta look to that side of the room when you have.

Trips churches stuff, and you know you we never knew if the deacon or whoever was driving had a.

License in the band as they never got all changes that stuff.

Yes, the church.

A church bus and then and then uh, we had broke down.

We had the vans out in Maryland.

Church money always drive a coach bus and you had to pay the money.

And it will always be the people that ain't had the money, and we.

Take them trip in Milwaukee, we take the trip to Great America.

And then when I got to Maryland, that's when we're that's when it was six.

You get to go to the church six flagship or your school was going to the trip and you got to go to that meeting.

The summer church trip was cool because you you might have made a little connection, got a little got.

A little girlfriend.

You know what I'm saying.

You didn't know the church.

We went to your church and you just made it somebody.

You might have been looking at the choir or something, and now y'all.

Yeah, yeah, And when you got to six flags or whatever, where y'alls going?

You know you you went on your own, you know where you went your ways.

And you're sitting next to her.

You tell you by her boyfriend to the church.

Because the church.

Girls do love bad boys that used to be crazy.

Especially became My girl ran much.

She cheated on me.

She cheated on me with conn of went the church.

He was a good guy.

He actually became a really good friend.

But yeah, oh man, yeah, I remember the church.

The church used to be lit.

On the church.

So you're doing radio.

I didn't grow up a chat you go cha?

Yeah?

Damn so.

So the radio.

Yeah, doing the radio.

I've actually been on your radio show.

Yeah, so congrats to that.

Because radio is not easy.

It's not because you think that, oh, because when you watch more you think you just get to talk.

But they was like, no, you have to do segments.

But you have to.

You have fifteen seconds to like everything is just like in yeah, what's up next?

Traffic up next?

Okay, make sure you lean into this, and then we need to make sure you get to get the Walmart thing in and then get the all that.

Then you have to make sure that people listening because they're gonna tune out, but you got to make sure that you have to keep it.

Like when I learned those metrics, I was like, wait, what that mean, and they was just like, yeah, that's the people who turn but they always come back, So you have to with radio, they don't see you, they just hear you, so you have to honestly go after people that's least expected to turn into you.

I became the one that they least expected to tune it.

So I had an audience because mind you, we're going from talk radio, so that's mostly.

It's not black people.

We don't want to listen to people talk.

And I think it was like sports radio whatever it was.

So it was just like they're going from the good old boys and the people that like, I don't know why, to coming into loudmouth little monster coming up Nation, then time by me and John ruling them you heard me.

So it was going from regular to dag on their ratchet, but it worked, Yeah, it works.

Yeah.

So how do you go from how do you go from radio?

Being successful at radio?

Yeah?

To television?

Just like honestly paying attention I always see I don't even watch TV now, so I don't know.

But I was just like, as long as I'm allowed to do me, I'm like, that's what people like.

Let me be me, and that's what people like, because I'm like, that's real.

When you try to make me something I'm not, it's saying something that I don't want to say, like trust me and this, I.

Trust me on this.

I'm gonna give you my all, but I'm gonna let you know that's not gonna work because I've come from greatness.

So I've like I've been through the school of hard knocks.

I learned.

I learned basically the hard way.

But I and everybody thinks it was easy because it goes from John to Missy to Jay to to all of that stuff.

But it's like I was learning that whole time.

So what I learned as a teenager brought me into my adult life.

So there was a lot of people, there was a lot of artists.

Why is she doing ready or why is she doing TV.

Your fans ain't gonna like you.

Da da da dah, because that makes you look at certain way.

I was like, oh, no, they're gonna like me, and if they don't, I don't care.

They still gonna look.

So whether you like me, love me, hate me, you still gonna watch because it's gonna be real.

And I realized over the years the reason why people have always gravitated to me to be like, yo, you keep that shit so real, like what you like.

When I get drunk, I'm gonna turn this bitch up.

You are, yeah, yeah, And when I'm with you.

It's interesting because it's a conversation that Tank and I have and we've had many a times with his career, from me being on the business side of his career and me saying to him that when you have a gift, a real gift, you can't oversaturate a real gift, and there's no way to get away from that.

Right.

So someone telling you, oh, they ain't gonna like this, they ain't gonna like that.

No, you're just bringing more eyeballs to your gift, and you're actually enhancing it because now you're giving your personality, which before social media was really tough to get off.

Remember that for all a wait for Cynthia Horner to.

Call somebody you one way they need you and your from from your videos and your and your album cover or if you was.

Looking like I was on Jay Leno before I even had songs that so Missy took me.

On it like and I was like, man, have conversations right, because the gift for me was social media you know what I'm saying and actually going to meet people because people just assumed something about me because.

Preachers Kid, and he shouldn't have done.

Preachers Preach Kid mess up a little bit.

It made him a legend in the streets.

Though it made him a legend for a lot of wrong things, but we talked about.

People.

Social media brought it back.

The social media people got to see my personality, which is the one thing missing from you know, all of my photos and and probably my music.

It wasn't well rounded in terms of you know, who I really am.

You know, all they saw was you know what I'm saying.

That's all they saw.

You tell you can't trust a nigga who bites his mouth to make himself look scary to you.

Watch the niggas who do that.

I'm not saying.

I'm not saying, Look, you were making that, you were just doing.

Those niggas that do this, they can't be trusted, they can't be trusted.

Okay, just remember that I got sisters and I got a daughter, so I've been looking at her.

I'm looking.

If a niggas do land his face trusted, you can't trusted.

But he wasn't landing.

People would meet me and be like, you are not what I expect because as soon as soon as I walk in, I'm up, what's handed?

What we're doing?

Okay?

We eating sandwiches?

Who needs a sandwich?

I'm passing out the sandwiches at the lunch and who needs drinks?

I got the ice team?

You want the sun that's got your Like I'm that and then like you're great.

Yeah, we thought you were in ashole me crazy.

So many times when I first started working with really, it's like, dude, is dude like you mean?

And like you always got a shirt off, like bro the nigga cool as hell, cool it, But nobody knew that.

They only saw the album coverage, the videos and heard the songs, and they just assumed and they saw Preacher's Kid.

Those are the things.

Those are like Preach Preach, I make you watch Preach Kid again.

I get it.

Yeah it was, it was, but I mean God, and in that you feel like your television moment was an opportunity for people to actually see all of your personality and not just hear you.

Yeah, they get to see actually, like whoy, it're so aggressive.

And then I realized aggressive dance like you know what where that's what she did this day.

That's the only but that's the one that just makes it feel like that.

Between you.

Ever had a bop off?

And I need to have one of these because it was just like that joke, Like even to this day with something, I.

Was like, no other girls maybe total maybe total total.

Yeah, people ain't really just bop they were because I came from you know, I always hated that, so I always looked the one.

That was in church.

Actually I was allowed to do that with John.

Key, John Need you could be like no, you could be you could be youthful, you could be a young a young person was stage.

I was like John concerts, those concerts actually wear street clothes.

Yeah, And that was like kind of frowned upon church you know what I'm saying.

But we got to dress how we wanted to dress to come to a John P.

Key concert, and we got to turn up, turn up, and he.

Would mix in you know a lot of the secular music with the band playing certain stuff, and we'd be like this, oh my god, this is.

Crazy, and they would know me should go to the fire, like, oh my god.

Just imagine being in.

Church, but not really in church.

You know what I'm saying.

It was like it gave you outside of love.

That you a lot outside, it gave you something.

I just grew up in the wrong place, man like he just if I would grew up like in the South of the Middle, because all of us churches didn't have that.

All of us, all all of our probably our home churches.

Yeah, basic, they were basic.

My church was traditional.

Basic.

Yeah, my church.

Some of the you know, some of the breaking of the traditions in my church, it was me.

And that was from me going to see John B.

Key and hanging out with John b k listening to John like and listening to Commission like.

That was me trying to break those traditions and say, man, were kids, man, yeah, why.

Do we have to listen, don't pay the risks.

But we would do that in absolutely I'd be playing all sorts of stuff during offering and they'd.

Be like but then they'd be like, oh, we know what that is.

But you're supposed to be deep, saved, spooky, you know what it is.

So but what's crazy is is that I'm trying to think who broke it down to me.

I think it was Joe Wilson because I was like, he plays like he played.

I told him one time.

I was like, I said, don't take this the wrong way.

Your gift is looseif eric He's like.

Wait, you mean I said.

Lucifer became Satan.

He was the most beautiful.

He walked and music dripped.

They said he walked in the second he walked in, music drip.

He walked and it was a sound.

I feel.

You're the Lucifer.

I'm just like, nah, that was the most beautiful.

But he got so caught up.

That's why I was like, with this industry, this industry, you can come in if you come in.

That's why I learned to have tough skin and I get it.

I came and just like just wanted to work.

Oh my god, I could say, and that's how you get taken advantage out us.

So now I get it.

If you come in smiling and happy and excited, they're literally devoured you.

I've seen people devouring I'm.

Like, damn sins.

And I always thought, oh my god, they're gonna pass me, because why am I still here?

Because I survived, not only to turn up what was what was imparted and placed into me as a child and as a teen.

It carried over to this day.

Now forget it.

So it was, it was, it was.

It was never was your last.

It was you were.

You were given an extension on on on.

Your we would give, We talked about me.

Let me just tell you this because you want to know why I asked you a question so many times.

I was just like, I don't think like people.

Like us, We don't realize our gifts have not only changed lives, but it's changed the world.

Your music has changed my life because nobody sings like that.

You could do what they did.

They can't do what you did.

So I listened to people.

I was like child, that's all tank, And I'll tell you off the record, I be like child, that's that's this whole.

Sound there's a sound.

So when we hear you, we know it's you, even if it's somebody else.

Yeah, trust me, people that have awards that it will take up this whole run if it wasn't for takeing this the note.

Yeah, so it yeah, and they'll never and if we was probably a different color, they would give you all the praise.

But I've seen it another that's a whole nother that's a whole nother bag.

But that's that's what I'm saying.

I've seen people I'm just like, wait minute, doing okay, they say that's church.

This is I literally dumbed down my gift because I was like, I don't sound like that.

But y'all.

Come on, now, we.

Wasn't when John was passing that mic.

That's the era I come from.

When they was passing that mic.

Let you come out with that.

They ain't giving it to you no more so what they consider now, Oh my god, that's bullying.

That's traumatized.

No, it wasn't.

It built character period period.

We were try by fire, fire, fire so fast, kids, I had to get that out.

But that's the truth.

We were try by fire.

You're not you're not good enough to be up here, have a seat.

You're not leading no solo, Have a seat because you're ready.

Can you pass me?

You ain't?

Baby?

Say you off?

You're real off because you were because I was.

You're flat, You're flat.

Remember, don't you get up there and they call you to sing a solo and be like, I want to say, so you better sing or else the Lord is gonna give your voice to someone else.

God, we got this.

I don't know what the this, that's what they called it.

Get your voices to tell me, and I don't want them to get.

They ensued like you got You have to be you have to be tough, you have to be just born of something different to survive.

But that people like sisters And remember they said Maddy Moore used to throw tennis.

Balls, that.

You're like the lost member of the Clark Sisters.

I think I think I was.

I was like.

Darren Clark, I used to think.

And that leads to a song that a lot of people don't know about.

Listen, this is a song called endowbt Me, Oh with You Faith Evans, Fantasia Coco Who song.

It is okay like that a lot of people don't know, but it's like the clark sister to me.

When I heard that record, I was like, this is okay.

Whoever decided we're gonna call these It was it Coco that was like these are these are the voices that I'm calling.

I know when I got to call Phil Thornton, dude.

He called me.

He was like, hey, we're doing this record.

So I know they had asked other producers to do it, but I don't know if people saw the vision.

So he was like, hey, can you fly to where was it?

Was it Tennessee?

Web acep Ward produced it.

So I sang the whole record in this entirety, and then he bought Faith in and everybody did their separate parts.

So the original reference was me okay, and I was just like because I always thought I was a clerk, so Coco.

Wanted me on the record.

I was just like, yo.

I called Fatasia, Yo, you gotta get on this jump.

So then it just became an effect.

I know Phil was working with Faith at the time, so he called her and but I called Fantastic, like, you need to get on this.

Coco is my first placement, really my first placement in the music business as a songwriter.

A song called so hard to say goodbye.

Dang that I wrote for the Hot Coco album.

That's crazy.

It's my first placement as a songwriter ever.

What's crazy is Coco come from the we all from church and she grew up in the Bronx.

I've never met her though, really, which makes it even crazy.

That's crazy.

You never mad to this day, never make cocy.

She's the coolest, Like.

You know, I.

Amide, oh, she's the coolest.

Wrote that song.

Girl, she she gonna hear this and she's gonna be like, yo, that's crazy and yeah, and I got to shoot, that's like so crazy.

I love that record though, and that's why that's why I mentioned it.

And for me it was it was like listening to the Clark Systems, like y'all voices together special.

But see Ace like he wasn't playing and I was scared.

When I'm gonna tell you one of another crazy thing is I was just like I was scared to sing.

It because I knew that Acep used to play for Kimbarell.

And I was like, listen, I'm telling this, I don't see like no Kimbarell.

I'm a singer.

Oh no.

And I went outside and I was like smoking weed that session to singing and down me because I was nervous, you know what I was like, and it weed, It calmed me.

I don't even know.

I think my assistant at the time.

I was like where how did we get weed from Baltimore to wherever we was?

But it calmed me and I was able to do.

I was like, listen, I can't do none of this stuff Kim Barell do.

He's like, you don't have to.

I want you to do what you did and the rest is history.

So it's like, well, if anybody's watching this, go listen to.

That recordez, go listen to that record, because these women are going crazy on that record.

Yeah, are cooking hell.

That's the oldest line up bro Coco, Faith Evans, Fantasia and sassc.

Little Wisdom.

I would give.

What was this wasn't a little Wisdom, it was young Wisdom.

And then I came a little mokay, I'm confusing razy young Wiz Sassy c so so man.

So, first of all, thank you for your energy at my album release.

Oh yeah in Miami.

Uh, that was just crazy.

It's like that like little Boy was about to climb over.

That's those nu climb walking.

You gotta say get it.

Remember't show me none.

You're gonna pull a hamstring if you jumped.

This thing was crazy.

After that, like three days you was like you was like.

I was like, he was like, you can't hear your left here.

You can't hear No, you can't hear your left here?

She said, who told you that?

I said, more, I can't, But who said it?

I said, I can't hear my But when were you told this?

I can't.

I'm telling you right now, I don't believe you.

He said, doctors told Jesus.

Doss said, ain't no way.

He's singing like that and he can't hear.

No.

Let me tell you this.

This is a real stuma right here.

You're ready to go deep.

I pay his attention.

Okay, I watched you on stage.

You sang from monitors.

People don't do that.

They be putting them things in the and them things make me like them.

I'm like, I can't do that.

You sing from monitors, So if you can't, that's unheard of.

I just, I just I made the adjustment.

I trained myself to be able to process all of it in my one ear.

So the problem with me and in ears is that if there are no crowd mics, I disconnected.

So yeah, if we have crowd mics, then I'm with it because I I kind of I thrive off of, you know, crowd inter action.

If I hear something over here, I want to respond to it.

If I hear something over here, you know what I'm saying, Like I want to get into all of these I just don't want to run through the motions of my show like I want to be.

I want to be involved with the people.

So I can't artists over.

Here just trying to get in and get hell loong how many songs and sing a piece of a song and you be like, y'all, I'm trying to I mean, I don't I understand people go through things.

But one thing I respect about.

You is that it was like one hundred and fifty degrees out there that day, and I was like, let me know when he got two songs left, because this letout.

Is going to be crazy, and so they tell me.

So I walked down slow because I'm like, no, I want to hear these songs because once I get in my bag, I'm not gonna remember nothing.

But I was just like you was singing in the heat, which humidity usually take people throw out.

I'm not trying to heat and really, yeah, like but you okay, And I'm like really not trying to disrespect nobody, but it's just like I'm like, I've never seen.

You have an off day.

But I've seen people I literally saw on the internet the other week.

They was like somebody sang three songs and they was like, you know what, I'm Horse, you don't gonna get you a goddamn and hala and steam or pre recording vocals.

Don't you have these people fly out here and talk about you, Horse.

So here's the thing.

I was going to cancel that show.

Really, I had been I had been singing, going crazy, doing promo album everything for weeks and my voice was shot.

I felt like I have none left in my car.

I said, man, I might have to end up canceling, canceling all.

But he was like, I mean, if you're tired, man, if you can't do it, you can't do it.

And I was like, I'm gonna just see how I feel, you know, once I get there.

And so you know, I just got chilled a little bit.

I had a little throat coat, but.

The red bull.

I was like, let me see what the red bull get me, because the red bull beak gave me wings.

And then I had a little horse and anybody got a horse, I got holls on me, give me the halls.

I was like, me, me, me, me, me, men.

Just learned that car and it started up a little bit.

I was like, I got a little left.

I was like, let's go do it.

You know what I'm saying, And like for me, like, you know, I sing hard.

You know what I'm saying, so pushing through is this is nothing new to me.

You know what I'm saying.

He's also a great adjustice.

Exactly, so you'll you'll know, like jail know, because he knows how high I can sing.

Yeah, and when I'm not when I'm not here and I'm down here in this little rolls, you will never find.

Like when I'm down there, he's like this just a little cooked.

Like I do.

You'll like this is a whole.

This is the podcast is lit.

But like you was giving, that's not the podcast, Like I.

Want to see that though, like because that's a vibe.

That's a vibe.

I'm just like sometimes like I'm all for giving people their flowers while they could smell them.

And I'm always a flower gift and I'm like, damn no, I'll never give me mine.

I don't look for people to get exalted anymore like the real ones.

So you saying to me like, since you've been able to rock tempos like, and I just be like, that's a flower and I always hold onto that forever.

But to see you like, I'm like, well you here, just imagine when you want a hunted child, I probably would have.

I haven't been on a hunted in a long time.

Really, now, let me tell you this.

And I was wondering, like when I was seeing all the stuff on social media, I was like, I like the way that strategically he probably recorded this week before, Like you.

Was doing shows, You was in Baltimore, you was everywhere.

Then I saw you singing Come.

Jamie.

Yeah that was a long time ago.

That was a long time.

Yeah, that was a long time ago.

But the fact that I was just like you were everywhere.

Yeah, and listen, some of it was us, you know, putting things together in pieces and assets, and some of it was just the universe, like just like it sprinkled.

It's time to you know, put us drop some tank content, drop the tank content.

And so I'm just I'm just thankful to the universe and the people who just lended that to us.

So we were just on the show singing, you know, singing good.

You know what I'm saying, still having it?

Yeah, very tapped into our our youthful presence and our youthful gifts.

Yeah, okay, we're still here.

What is what is little mo doing now and moving forward?

What is the plan?

What is the called?

Honestly, I'm back to the sacrificial lamb.

I'm extending my time.

So my son is thirteen that will sing these niggas under a bus.

But he wants to be a rapper because he said nobody sings anymore, and they keep on saying R and B is dead, but it's not.

It's not just yeah.

I'm just like, no, you should sing your last longer.

So he rather be I.

And I was like, I told him that he doesn't listen to me, So I told him to remake a specific song because I'm just like, he came out the womb singing.

One time he cried in church and Kimbrell's there, she was like, whose baby is that?

They cried on key and I raised my hand.

She said, that would be your kid four forty.

You know what I mean?

He cried in perfect picture what the organ was playing.

He cried, and I was just like, we used to call him fussy just because he used to cry so much.

But he whined and it gave like a yes, and I was like, how did they hear that?

I was so embarrassed.

I was like, why would you do this when Kim Morella is all stage?

But I get it, and I'm like, listen, sign under staying it's a this generation Z.

They're different.

They're different.

But what I've learned then I can place in him and I can sacrifice myself a little bit more and be like I'm gonna go out here and saying these old ass sauce child.

But so far people have been loving him, liking it, and I've been the bag, been going with that child.

I got jams, Yeah, man, you got jam jams jams, and I got and I got a question, got to okay, I got to was forever.

The answer to Jagged Edge is let's get married.

One know what's crazy?

Did Brian Cotts do Let's get married?

Yes?

Yes, that's I'm pretty.

Sure what's crazy is I was recording.

He did you shout him out in the beginning of the song.

Because you know what's crazy is I didn't even hear when I was That's when I was recording Uh Meet the Girl, last stew album.

Mind y'all was not much pregnant, so I sat down the whole session.

Becox came to the studio.

He was like, I got song for y'all, want you to listen to He might have, I might have to give it to somebody else.

He was like, if you don't here.

As soon as I heard but the piano, and I was like, I wanted He was like, are you sure I want to record it right now?

I want to sat down and write nothing down and none of those words wrong baby.

And at the point in my life when I'm tired of playing games, I'm ready to settle down.

The only part that is ready by like when you listen to the verses, none of.

The ship rhymes.

But I think I was in such a space my first child was about to be born.

I was hype, right, yeah, anytime I hear a piano.

You know, you answer my question right what you're saying?

No, No, I want to listen to no music, my bad.

I was recording my album, so it's not the answer to it.

Wait, what's the you asked me, and you said, did I hear Jagged a song?

No?

No, I said, no, not even that.

Everybody, what you said, let's get married after it wasn't the answer to I'm saying was that the I was asking?

Was that the answer to?

Because y'all also both say.

You know you was crazy?

Was nigga saying.

Crazy?

When I heard listen when I heard the lyric, I said, When I heard Let's get I said, that's a horrible lyric.

I said, but but it's a very rad what what's on what year it is came out?

I think there's might have came out like ninety nine.

Yeah, it was a very real lyric.

We ain't getting no younger, so we might as well.

Do it like, yeah, we ain't getting no younger, baby.

And I was like, I ain't going nowhere, You ain't going nowhere?

Like but you all right over my issues said, you know, I'm look at without a wig?

What's uping?

You know?

I look with If a nigga marry you and her without your wig, it's up it's it's all the way I might run that I love you if you okay, waking up with the gooc in the morning, waking over that floor and he's like, okay, that's you.

That's how you walking, all right, I.

Got I got you.

I'm with you.

I'm with you.

Or when you have like when you take your wig off and put on a dresser and then you got to meet meal braids going big.

If he be like, I mean, is there like a.

A mannequin head that you put it on or you just put it on the dresser.

Now you just take it off, put it on a dresser, and you just be like, don't mess with my wig, because back then was like yeah, like a hundred.

Now them just be like, hey, hundred, don't that's why did.

You you know?

I'll be reading memes the girl, this girl really asked.

She said, so with the ten thousand for student loans, are they giving us the cash or is they gonna take it off the balance?

Because I want the ten thousands so I can buy me.

That's where it's at right now, whigs.

That's why hair companies are making so much money.

Who would have thought?

Who would have thunk?

They just they just haven't figured out the man wig just yet.

Yeah, they have they figured it out, have not.

It's like some people that got but it's just right.

No, that's right.

I'm talking about the wig.

You know what I'm saying.

It just the full lace front shape up.

Yeah.

Because then like I saw one, I saw one, like they don't they don't.

Go the man.

Remember they used to be two pays.

To be like.

They glored on and then they line him.

But thedn't have to get hot and that they start moving, you.

Ain't getting no young.

I saw him went out his wig on.

So we went out Mande and we decided.

And then my second question is.

Actually like Keith sweat song, make it last time.

But that's where since we want.

To shout out to the sweat, Yeah, shout out to this.

I worked with it.

He's worked with working over his house.

And I remember he used to living Alpharedic.

They was cooking food.

We was so.

No he can so goddamn twistles said what I.

Worked with key, So I did, I'll trade a million bucks and we were.

He was in Alpharetta, Georgia.

Alpharetta closes down at sundown.

So like I was like Damn, somebody cooking.

I'm think they're gonna bring us a plate.

He was like, now I'm about to go up here and eat, and I gotta go do some running around.

It'st It was some twizzlers, so.

Want to go eat?

And he left you the twist I.

Was there was no door dash back then.

That was like twenty one years old, twenty one years ago.

So I was just like, dang.

But when I say, I love key sweating, so I remember the label.

It was like, make keep seeing these background He said, Man, tell them kiss my ass.

They can't tell me what to do.

Can you say that?

And I'm gonna just do one track.

My boy's gonna cut right through my boy right through.

Baby you sing?

He said, what I'm gonna do, cut right through, then you.

Do the rest.

I ain't doing all that shit back yep.

I don't do all that telling them my fuckers.

I ain't doing yes, So.

You focus on your son right now.

You're focused on the future or on my son?

Like, are you gonna do any more album?

How are you doing any more music?

People want?

I actually have some songs coming like so features with some What's crazy is it is like a lot of the artists that are young, so I'm doing some things with them, and then I have some songs that's in the tuck like I got songs with tie dollars sign.

I'm just like, are we gonna put this out?

This job right?

Because I know him since he was a baby.

I know everybody since they were babies, like fifteen years old.

Playing at Jay Brown's wedding.

Nice, So it's like, yeah, put this song because it's what goes like.

So you know, I'm I understand music has changed, but for the for me, I used to think that not my sound was not childish, but I realized it translates and it has transceated to this generation.

So when they hit it, they be like, oh so I don't sound like old lady.

I said, Like, so when they be like hey Auntie, mo like, I get it.

I respect that.

Are you cool with being called auntie?

Yes?

Because but there's a thing right yeah amongst women, Yeah, that they don't like being called auntie.

I love it, you love it?

Yeah, okay, a little more love I did.

Now it's different.

I'm cool with that.

I didn't.

I didn't want to be uncle for a minute.

I love it.

I didn't want to be.

I feel like it's like the leader to gain.

Yeah.

Yeah, it just seemed like.

I woke up one day and it was just it was just an overwhelming amount of and O G.

And I was like, has it happened that?

As I'm flucking the grays out of my beer and I'm like, it's happened yo.

Was just like when you get that show.

This this what.

They don't say this sir?

Call yo?

Okay?

So what age?

What?

Like?

What?

What?

When it is a good time?

Because I always thought once you turn forty, like that's Auntie.

I know there are people that don't call me, certain women that just feel a way about that.

I think it's a term of endearment, just like what she is.

When they be like that's my bitch, and I'd be like, that's cool, but don't call me that no more like if you don't know me like that, you feel me be like yo, because we say that Baltimore is a term of endearment.

There are certain things that we say.

But when they be like Auntie mo, or when I go to my to my son's all my son's football practice, all the kids be like mo.

And I love it because the aunt has always been the mom that wasn't your mom.

You could go to your eye.

Yeah, people that's Auntie is like like they're the same, just like.

That's the hood for you.

Yeah, yeah, that's the hood for you.

Yeah.

Yeah, because the auntie back then was like if you was an auntie, it was just like that means that you was older.

But now it's just like Auntie's Grandma's like we don't like.

I feel like Auntie is the flies of all the things?

Your aunt can I ride in?

Yes, it's cool.

Back to watch my uncle Lero get flying for all this thing, walking his rod.

He put his smell good, smell good.

Tell me how you know you got to take care of the ladies.

You got to open the door, make sure they got flyers.

And that's you know what I'm saying.

So like that, no more started excepting a you know what I'm saying, shout out to the o G.

In the building.

That's me.

Yeah.

You know what's crazy is many people won't make it for people to even care about the like look at the comments and be like that, oh.

There's bitch, what the.

Like?

No people just I'm like, how did Instagram let this one go through something the other day.

Now, somebody was on the internet the other day was like I had sex with some and something and I was like, cap, all I said was camp.

I was like, what store was?

People like you too old to be talking young.

I was like, I just all I said.

All I said was cap.

I didn't say what part was camp.

All I said was cap and y'all got y'all let it, y'all let that row.

Y'all up.

Y'all gave me too much power, and my whole joint was bring I'm thinking this cashap and this.

Niggas you a lie in peace.

No with the o gs, we're not standing for the lot.

It's a it's a it's an aspiration date that mess.

This R and B.

R B need some R and B information for me, Okay, like we know you got it, Like what kind of information you got?

Like what type of what type of ino?

Because you have to be because I started talking about.

Okay, top five, oh in the world or like the world work right dead or live?

Top five R and B artists female female, Okay, and okay, it's yours and they don't don't make it politically correct.

Yours Whitney Houston talk about.

Mm hmm, what's trying to think about?

Shall I'm gonna look through my phone.

Who I'll be listening?

Because I listened to the most weirdest things.

Oh god, choo one that's one, yeah, because that's that.

Was a sound?

Who do?

I Let me try to think who I listened to?

Anita Baker.

I was just.

Like, you could clean.

That's why I know people house doing.

You could clean your whole house to Anita's.

Name, Champagne on us this time.

Now, Yeah, I was just you know, I just saw her.

I just saw her.

Yeah.

That was like a slip.

That was like a slip flex.

What you know?

What Anita said to me?

What did she say?

She never said anything to me?

What does she say?

Anita said?

Anita said, you can't leave us?

Now, why was she saying?

What does she say?

She just looked at me.

She's like, She's like, you can't leave us.

Do you even know I'm trying to get you not to retire.

I'm trying to figure out how she even knows.

Baker says you can't retire Anita.

Anita's in her own in her own dress, her realm.

That way, you don't have to concern herself, and.

She said, Darrel cannot retire.

Okay, I'm sorry, ship, Yeah that hurt.

That hurt me.

You heard it here first.

He's probably not retiring.

Go ahead, let me think this story.

Jo Anita Baker, you're killing.

I'm gonna tell yourself.

Y'all might not remember, but I listened to his songs and he's went on Kenny Green.

H we what because a lot of people like, do you remember his song?

Made you a crown and call your his version?

So I'm naming like.

People that Kenny Come on, come on, give him some you know what, Give give him some Kenny Green history for the people who don't know Kenny Green.

Like Kenny Green was a specihow.

Yeah, he was ahead of time.

And I remember what I meant in my cry because I was like, I don't think you realized how much you changed.

And he was sitting there like this, like I thought he was gonna be like like arrogant or he was just like he was like I was like, wait, why are you bowing?

Nigga was the amazing group intro he was.

He did all them.

He was inside ye let.

Me monster, like I'll keep you, I'll keep you the way his war monster.

Come on, Kenny Green, that's for more.

That's for.

Because it's more than five.

No, no, no one, lady, But to ladies, you two and two are two and five?

Ye what Jose is one?

It's really Casey and no no, no, Jose is one because Divante.

Don't forget about and and no no no, no, no no and sing and singing lead and singing lead?

What's all he's saying?

One fact, he's.

Singing lead on multiple songs.

People thinking he's singing lead because they have a similar tone during the lead, not outs got singing lead?

Yeah, because Casey and there what's more quartet?

I get it?

And I'm trying to think.

Five.

I'm trying to think like you know who I will see and I would be yelling at so like I like when I get to say people's songs off key, I don't want to sing.

You can't plead the fifth.

You got five kids, you need to have a top five.

I know these kids gotta have somebody, don't they.

Can we come back to the No no, no, don't do that.

Mo come like I really can't think of no names all this R and B.

You've been singing's crazy.

People are many people you've been in the studio with songs with because singing, I'd be like, you can sink even if it's even if it's a forbidden name, you can say the name.

You can sing.

Say what you got to say, like mad that you.

It's really going.

Because I'm trying to think, oh he said.

I can't think of who it is.

Like then I would say, Brandy, that four More album changed my life.

Argue never Brandy, I used to listen to that.

Why you listen to that before your show?

Oh?

God yeah, our brother?

Yes.

But now I think about it, all the people that I've named, it's always the people that's bringing out that he brought out us sound.

That was a whole sound that people try to emulate.

They're still trying to emulate to this day.

And I'd be like, y'all said a mess, Yeah he had that oil.

Yes, So it's just like but those like I would say, like I said, I would listen to before the show, but get you right, you're going, yeah, all.

Right, So okay, can you have to explain your five five?

And it's crazy is I'm the only one I've seen in concert is probably Brandy.

Wow, I've never been to a Whitney Houston concert.

I've never been to a Joe Tosy concert.

I have.

I think I've never been to an early Jo concert.

I've been to Casey and Jojo and that's when they.

Was crazy, stupid crazy.

But remember when he was walking out or the chicken.

Man stop it.

Remember he grabbed a wing off that if we had a show with them.

They were singing background for father and see.

Treating like remember they were singing like John everybody.

I think we did either Jack the Rapper or the br Jack.

That's crazy.

Yeah, they was.

They were singing church.

I remember they used to get kicked.

Was only fifteen at that time, were kids.

Yeah, and that's why I remember remember what was Donny Soul Show video sol videos and they were like, so, what are your family?

I remember it because I used to study people's interviews.

What does your family think about you singing R and beat?

Because they came up like Apostolic holiness.

I remember going to the bishop to greet Yes, but I went to Johnny Graves church one time because one of the Graves used to go to school with me, so I went to the church.

They used to do to door LEAs and bab you wasn't coming there with no pants.

So when they they was like, you know, our parents just like you know you ain't living right, And I was just like, now I understand.

So when they formed circles around me and church, I used to crawl for money.

I ain't about to arm this man because you ain't get chosen.

I talk about it.

Okay, Top five, M.

R and B songs, top our group, Okay, our group, love me Better can.

Like I wish I could write like that so abstract, like what made him thinking that that?

Please don't go You don't have to do that.

I don't think you understand.

I don't think you understand that because when people go to the full settle and it's just as effective as full voice, you can't leave us.

I can't leave it.

Don't don't try that need of me.

Don't you know there's a reason.

And if you think she'd wait too, yeah, it's gonna be some people that's like you can't like those kind of gifts, don't they don't come around?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, full moon, I ain't.

Even come on, Come on, man, come on.

If you like like she was, get it cracking if you like, must be a fool.

H that song is that's three mm hmm, oh, I hate that.

I love this song because I know this person is not supposed to be light.

But mm hmm, come on, one of the Okay, no matter what people think, one of the best written songs to me in the world was the best sex I've had by R Kelly.

Found crazy.

When that song came on?

When when that song first came on?

And I want to know another fun fact?

What you know?

I'm full of fun facts?

What because this is like, so what from Happily Ever After?

Case?

That's from Case?

Wait?

What party?

Go ahead?

Come on, come on?

Wait wasn't that song before?

No No Happily ever First?

No, No, there is no.

I don't know, there is no.

I don't know, there is no.

I don't know.

Shout out to Joe Joe Brown.

Shout out.

My guy.

Chris, Chris.

Oh god, I can't think of Chris's last name because we got a.

Lot of going on.

No, I'm trying to figure out what.

My guy got paid for that.

Oh no, no, no, no, no, believe we're gonna get the same facts.

The Greatest Sex is a take from Cases that happily ever after.

I never ba ba.

Dude that.

You can put him out side, found.

Out and be liked.

Chris.

I can't think of his last name.

It's it's I'm missing, I'm Chris.

This is my guy for years too.

My apologies brother, when you see this, this is a shout out to you.

No no, no, no, absolutely because it was and I remember the time when it happened.

It is a no no no.

He had to change.

He had he had to, he had publishing.

Yeah, he changed it a little bit, but not got you the great sex.

But but when I heard great in sex, I said, beat.

Jam it.

I used to like, I love drama.

That he beat me and can I used to always be like this, I'm gonna catch him.

I'm gonna get who I'm gonna kill him with this one.

And then I heard great in Sex.

I was like I lost.

But but Kama no, I mean just like like you know, like you you know when you hear something, you hear something you like, oh God, like what made him thinking that?

I wish I had written and produced that song and sang it that way.

Chris Henderson, Chris Chris Deep Henderson, Why okay?

Chris deep, yes, yes, happily ever all right, okay that was that was that three?

That number?

That was four, and I would say five mm hmm.

Let me take it because there's some songs.

Oh, I love Sweet Love by Anita Baker.

I added that to my s because I was just like, do you do you know I love those songs?

At you, baby, she said, with all my heart love.

Well, you're telling I love you.

I'm gonna give you something this sweet love.

Calling out my name.

You don't love me if you don't tell me that, you don't love me, you do not love me.

If you don't tell me that, and haul it out, man, feel no shame.

There was no social media because now you.

Don't like what.

Yeah, yah, there was no shame.

Back then you knew your granddaddy had three famis.

But but now now that no shame is to another level because if you say that and some little hood roach go and say she knowing and you still don't feel a way about it, Yeah.

That means that man, Yeah, because you know, at the end of the day, she she ain't gonna do nothing.

But yeah, because we ain't getting no younger.

Because we already I already knew my granddaddy had different family.

Like damn, but he had multiple family.

What in his change?

I found out later.

I was like, he was outside, but I get it.

He's inside too.

Probably.

I'm sure you had to fly young, you feel me?

Hair hair.

This first row of the congregation, they switch, They.

Thrown them over their head.

Now the girls who all right, okay, I love it.

Here it is place.

We're gonna do an R and B voultron.

Okay, you're gonna build.

You're gonna build the RMB artists.

Okay, it's gonna be vocal style presentation performance they bot and their passion.

I remember missing one vocal style performance and passion swag the whole that.

That's fine thing that for.

Sure is there because we've got the coldest wig you got the.

Rick James baby, he kept that he was outside what he was outside.

I don't even know if we could have another Rick James.

That's why I'm like, there's certain people wonder.

Because you know what's happening when he's making that song, Like you know what's going on in that studio session.

And yeah, okay, so yeah, so let's let's start with the vocals.

We'll piece it together.

Who are you gonna grab the vocal from to build your arm b artists, who's a vocal you're taking?

Mm hm, there would have to be yours because I'll be hearing people without the without the order to live on the mic.

Who know what they So, yeah, you don't miss Hey, your niggas are sick for putting auto tune on your mic.

Go ahead because because you don't the kid and they don't push it because people don't understand allo tune was not created equally job.

These niggas to be singing with the auto tune message.

Like listen, I literally bought that mic for my kids that shout out to T Pain and the money he made that used to sell at this store that doesn't exist anymore called toys r Us.

Do they have the autoto mic?

They have that and you can order today.

Because I whole T Paint still give.

I think he did hold T Pain because that ship is genius.

But listen, that should not be used on a grand stage.

That should not be because people.

Who use that.

And then when the system go out see where you know what else we came up at the time, and not to just remember what we don't need no music?

Yeah, I mean, stump your seat because we didn't sang harmony at least three times today that way.

No rehearsal.

And you know what's crazy is I love too when used correctly, because yeah, I think Yeah.

If we came to see a computer, we would go to a Max show that when the unveil.

The Max Yeah iPhone.

Awards for that what that ye award or whatever one of them ships, would the nerves be Yeah?

And one time I tried it and I was like, wait, I try to use all the times, like why does it make me say off?

Because if you have.

Yeah and you gotta you gotta put it was like a pitch correctly traumatic you sing feel because chromatic very loose.

Yeah, my jo, there's no feeling in auto tune.

The computer don't got her heart.

Don't talk about it a little mold dude though, talk about it.

Listen, we'll take that crazy, We'll take We'll take the.

Listen.

We would take that early Mary J.

Blige with all that feeling and all that grit and all that time over anything with auto tune on it, over this.

Because I've seen Mary live and you could see her every night.

She's gonna give.

It everything she's God.

When she passed, we want to pass it out, like I'll take it if you think I was yelling that night when you like, I get to be a fan.

I still have the video.

She came to Baltimore, so I put for with d Nights and then Mary came out.

When she does, I said, I hope she does no more drama.

She passed out and she gave her and.

She when she man, Tammy was there and I was just like, I.

Think I'm not even go off on the tangent, but I think Mary J.

Blige has the perfect song playlists.

Yeah, of maybe any artists.

Yeah, so she part of in terms of music that that really resonates her higher being.

Like when Mary sings it.

All songs, you know what I mean too.

It's because when a lot of these artists pople be like, oh my god, that's my favorite, I'd be like, that's what's up.

I'm not here to pick and choose who your favorite is.

But I love artists that Okay, this is my set time.

I understand that.

But Mary's gonna give you testimony like their times.

They have to keep it, you know.

But she'll talk in between.

She'd be like y'all don't know what I was going through.

I was like, I love when she gets into that bag, like minutes to us, you're healing.

So that's why there betimes I'll be like, look y'all when I listen, I'm singing all these damn love songs, but a bitch getting her ass beat at the house.

Y'all have no idea you for me.

So it's just like you don't know how many people went through paint so voice you passion Murray like her passion.

This is never gonna be people like, oh my god, that's the new man.

No, there's only.

That.

No mayor, there's no and you can't put together a joousy stop yeah.

Stop, even if y'all be jumping on like or do you know what I'm saying?

You want all the leather and the No, there will never be another diary of a mad.

Bond never ever, ever.

Ever, Shoulder after part whatever.

They will never be the style style.

Who put that ship on?

Go ahead, do that little goofy dance that a b be doing.

Do the goofy dance.

Doing what you're talking about?

Who dance?

Man?

Const who'll be dressing?

The only person that honestly dresses.

Of all time, sometimes all time, all the time.

We got some guys and girl girls get ship.

The only person I know that I'll be like, Yo, they're gonna like I love the way Mary dresses come because she's gonna wear boot like she's gonna give you like when she comes up, she's gonna give.

You Mary and married and they put on TV and I left the she did you know what just where she would you would wear on stage.

We're gonna put that on power tonight.

Yeah, power book.

This is what you're gonna wear because she's gonna give you like, she's gonna give you that crop like you know, she's gonna rock out.

She's gonna rock out of all time.

That part.

Stage performance.

I'm trying to think that I'd be like like I'd be like, yeah, I felt that I gotta start going to shows again because people stuff be so rehearsed, like there's one thing to rehearse, but.

Then there's like sometimes you just getting that vibe be like you went you went past yeah, yeah.

You like like you just went past the structure.

Yeah, like you tapped into.

Yeah, it's rare for people to tap in.

So I'm trying to think like, what was the show I went too big in a day?

Maybe that was just like Mary Mary cooking the day she's cooking.

I watched Mary J.

Blige on tour in ninety seven.

Every night, sixty cities, sixty arenas sold out, and every uh, Drew Hill, Genuine and Aliyah all will go right before Mary, Yeah and bone Thugs were clothes and all the musicians, everybody, background singers, we would all go out and sit in the audience and watch Mary go.

To work every every night school was in session.

That's why I'm just like people don't realize like people do.

Because she getting what night, she should be higher than that?

Does it?

People come out my throw heard.

I'm just saying these three songs and go home, y'all get y'all money back.

That's out of control.

People like you gotta think about like when you're not We're not like about the tour.

I'm not talking about one off.

I'm about a tour.

You listen.

Let me tell something.

I don't know many people, but it was crazy.

A million yeahs, you.

Know, oh yeah, R and B.

And you're right, well, I think ain't getting that familiar you just said no, But is she getting to half a bit.

She getting to half a man.

But like there's Anita, there's Murray, Like I.

Think she I think she's Mary is getting almost a million and show I think she deserves.

Oh, I'm just saying it speaks to you know what I'm saying what she is.

But I ain't coming out the house if you like, she ain't got to come.

She don't have to come out.

But the let me tell you the blessings is because like being around her and just like seeing her from like Missy had me around Murray, you know, you couldn't really fan out.

You'd be like, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and get these backgrounds.

And then when we were at that the first time I met her and saw her and I was about to lose my mind was at the Hot Boys video set.

We was at two o'clock in the morning.

My sister had my nephew, I think he was like one years old then, and Mary and Latanya had came and we were like, oh my god, Murray obliged to her child.

But you know people it's like, oh, you're not allowed to talk to them, and I'm like why, Like this was Mary came to us in our trailer, and she was like, I love y'all wigs.

We're gonna call y'all a pretty wig sister.

She was like, where'd you get those?

I said, my friend that does my hair, the girl Yasmin that was braiding my hair, was getting the wigs at a Flatbush avenue for twenty dollars.

She said, twenty dollars.

They were charging her.

Wherever they was flying her wings in two thousand dollars up for the twenty dollars weis.

She said, I'm gonna call y'all a pretty wigs sister.

And I remember her embracing me that night and she was like, keep your family close because these motherfuckers ain't gonna love you like your family.

And ever since then, when I ride out, me and my sister got the same mama, same daddy.

Already know I can drink under the table because she ain't gonna let no I can hire all the security with the gun, let somebody touch your hair on his head.

She's gonna put her life before minds.

We learned that back in ninety nine, and I realized so when I went on tour with Missy when we were at Jane Lenno, I had my sister with me anytime I move around like I can move.

She got a whole life in the family.

What's the first thing I said when you came in here, how's your sister?

You're the first Dan.

Let me tell you what she said.

When she was like, where you going, I said, I'm going to l A.

I'm going with take a Jay talking about you, talking about I'm the stalker.

I was just like, wants have been here because she was just like no, like because we've been like, just like, I don't think you realize.

Yeah, you can't leave us.

It's a great vote.

That's a great voteron let's get you just get back to that.

It's a great voltron.

That's a great because.

There are some people that can sing.

But I just know that if they put it on now a social media they posted up today.

To go up.

Yeah, have you ever told with Mary?

No?

I was Twitter's backgrounds with Shana.

We would love to say it again because.

You were dad, you know every now and then.

I just sent a Shana text, Hey, it's me, it's your friend Jay.

We'll go.

We would love to go.

I forgot the I know it's a whole female tour.

Ye they're going on female tour and and I look, I respect, yeah, which your super do.

But at some point, yeah, some point the lord yelling.

The lord leasure a man, sister, oblige, amens to oblige.

That would be I think that would be so dope.

That's R and B.

So we got we got this.

Uh, it's one special part of the show too.

Here we go, Okay, here we go.

It's mhm, it's it's a thing.

It's becoming a thing.

I know you're not scared because you little more.

But I'm gonna need to be sassy.

C for this one to be sassy.

Not young wisdom, not young wisdom, but more, more, more and more sassy.

See the young wist.

The portion of the show is called I Ain't saying o names.

Okay, so what that means?

Story can be funny, are sucked up?

Are both got you?

The only rule is that you just can't say the names, and.

The people got to guess who it is.

They can do whatever whatever they want to do, but you tell us the story, and you just can't say no.

So many stories, you know you do.

Let me try to think, Let me try to think of.

Go ahead and take yourself take yourself my drink.

Here out here, I'm trying to think of.

God.

I got so many childs any.

Are funny and.

Dam let me try to think of a good one.

It's so much that the heppen like, woof God, these are good questions.

I wish you all to send me to listen.

I'm trying to think of like a good because I have some stuff like ya, and then I got something like what the.

Like mm hmmm.

Mm hmm.

Shore God, There's been so much stuff that happened to the fact that I'm still alive, Like I'm trying to figure out I'm still here because I've been in some fun up situation.

I'm be like, how does this happen?

I just always want to how does this.

Happen to an R and B person?

Like what's supposed to be almost like gospel when no weapon form gets weapons.

Is like, I'm.

Get tricky, get tricky, It gets real tricky.

I'm trying to think I can tell you one of the best advices somebody gave me, and and honestly I used that through my whole career, and I'm glad because I think that's the reason why I'm still here.

I remember like there was a time.

Where shit was I was out sid and I wasn't murried and I am no kids, and I remember somebody they came to me.

They was just like mo, Like they used to tell people, if you do a lot of features, you'll get oversaturated.

Then people get tired of it.

They was like, no, MO, keep going because you have something that like a.

Lot of people don't have.

Like there's there's faith that's murried, there's cod like there's Kelly and they were singing re hooks, but they were just like, MO, like you have something.

All I ax is that?

Cause like yeah, like, because I don't been through that, I survived to turn up once I got out of church and I realized.

Oh wait, man, I ain't gonna even leave bird with the devil.

I just did drugs, drink like, so now when I celebrate, I'm just like, yo, I beat all the fucking odds.

But when this.

Person told me, they was like, just don't fuck none of these niggas.

But I know they was all these bitches, like all of them.

All.

I took that and that's what helped me.

Somebody.

It takes me longer to get the where I need to get but when you walk in the room and it be everybody from the highest a rep to the lowest and crap, can't nobody say they hit.

Me from the back.

But it's just like.

They hit me from Do you know how.

Easy it is as a woman when they know when you when you touch it down and you go.

I was at all the concerts because I was all the tours and I had access to all everybody.

But it's just like, just do a song with them.

You don't have like these niggas, even the girls who had gifts.

Yeah, like I get it.

I get the girls who don't have gifts, But at.

The end of the day, I'm glad I didn't.

And then and I'll take the longer road.

I don't care.

But like I said, I've been divorced three times.

The wrong niggas job anyway.

You said three times?

Yeah, three times?

Yes, you know you're Elizabeth Taylor.

Christ Jim.

No.

I was just kidding.

I know I'm up there, but it was just like, you know what, that was the part of me like, it's better than married than the burn shot.

So would you get made again?

Not to nobody that it's levels, so we will get married for love.

No, you don't, you better mar you keep going.

So you people had these conversations.

They had these conversations all the time, though about what marriage used to really be about.

It used to be there should be a business.

It was a business ship or I think black people change that because we used to.

I don't think the others ever married truly for love.

They never did.

They always had a bad not the colonizes.

There's always a pleasant it was always I'm watching House a Dragon right now.

I'm watching House Dragons right now.

There is a tricky situation the other day trying to marry a little.

Dragons.

So it's the it's the Game of Thrones.

It's the pre free to game of thronst and they got the Game of Throng.

Keep the blood, it's about keeping the family.

Yo.

You know what.

What's crazy?

And strength in the in the in the wealth.

But black people are always trying to I got married one time, I told you I got my Sunday was like, because my ex was a church musician, are you gonna get sat down?

They came to fund out that church don't sit people down.

Okay, I don't know what that means.

It means you can't play.

No, you can't play.

Well, you're supposed to be saved, so yeah, that's.

A time of time time.

If y'all did get married, he wasn't gonna get his one twenty five a week no more, because I've heard about those church you go to my number.

Because these musicians now is getting on.

Yeah, was gonna get his one balled up.

One?

Why you want me to go to the bank and cash took that off?

Maybe like we we can't.

Hey were like, well you might as.

Well keep it.

They told him if y'all don't get.

Married, somebody told her that must have been a down South tradition.

But come to find out that the church was like, no, we don't sit people down.

And I was just like, damn, So I was already I was already pregnant.

So then I had got married, like after the Bible study.

Definitely they would sit you down and you had a baby down South, and then the baby wanted up being your sister brother child.

Yeah, I came him up in the child you know, and sisters is really mothers and daughter.

Yeah, oh right, wouldn't get ex communicated from the.

Yeah, you know, like a lifetime movie.

That was really how traumatizing that was to realize that your mama noted to.

Be like almost like a scarlet letter type vibe.

Not all you're gonna burn the hell now you got you have to know to get pregnant.

Like wait, I didn't have nerve to do nothing, you know what I'm saying.

But that was just like I'm glad niggas ain't going for that no more, just like it is what it is.

Yeah, period, But you're talking to church talk.

That is, if you can survive the church early church to fire and brimstone, are you going to help everything?

I used to think I was going to hell if I didn't never think.

I never thought I was going to And I was doing everything.

Hell was at my heels.

Curse until I turned like till I got.

Started doing R and B U til two years out of high school, we need to yeah, all church.

I was, it's a grown man.

Yeah, to.

Graduated eighteen to like almost twenty, let's start doing R and B and and it was and it was even I was inching my way in.

I was like, well, I'm gonna just be like boys to me, you know what I'm saying, And I'll be boys to men Babyface.

Yeah, the Sickle of Minight.

That's what I'm going And then and then I got hold of at R Kelly.

You didn't yeah with no Rick James, no Prince.

I grew up.

I heard some of the music, but I grew up on what I grew up on.

You know, you don't know nothing about dirty mind.

What I grew up on, like listening was able to like when my father had was a baker yep, he had guy yep, and he had a new addition.

That was the that was you know it was in my house.

No I want to I know, Oh that's another person that say your house.

Joe, he will be sleeping.

On him was a monster.

They the better wake.

They as his tone.

Monster killer, killer, and he knows it.

He knows.

They tried to take off the intro to the parl and they and they tried to switch it out with and the people was the next week that they.

Were back to rug got so bad and trade was like I didn't even ask, I didn't ask.

They just put me on this.

I don't just want to get out.

Like Joe is just Joe just has that again that voice that can that can cover so much ground, whether it be whether it be dirty hip hop or loves his voice.

Just like he like, how does he know?

I want to know.

I wrote and produced for y'all.

I love Joe.

I'm a credit read I come from there.

When you get to see he unfold that yo, I used to be.

Y'all see who on this?

Okay, Okay you nice?

Yeah yeah, okay, Well listen, we don't want to take up all your time because you know your family, so you know, yeah, you are here.

This is always home for you always.

I love you and you are family to us.

You know that.

We're just letting everybody else know this his family.

You got something bad to say about a little more?

Protect yourself?

Protect yourselfs like.

Tricky.

Yeah, he's like like like people look at me.

People look at me, and I think it's me.

Yeah.

I want to know.

Because I'm like, oh my god, he's so nice.

He's so.

And I love it.

That's a perfect balance to be like, you know, just and that like, man, we're gonna suck you up night.

Yeah man, I can't.

I can't.

He's like, man, fu blood all right.

He's saying what he would be saying what I want to say because I knew i'd be saying some stuff.

I was from the area.

We don't gag bags.

So blood is young blood for us.

Don't don't get confused.

Don't, but I love it.

It's no great area, the area.

And I like you.

Yeah, they don't they know like we might know.

But anyway, you are you, You are absolutely amazing.

You are you are, you are not.

You are not old news.

You know you are from an old school, but you are still new.

You are still in the building, you are still on these stages.

You still have your look you.

Saying you.

Have you have as your word been preserved for a time like this, And what a time for everybody at this moment to be trying, you know, to prove that R and B is still a lot and still a thing and get and guess who's just been sitting waiting for everybody to realize that.

Yeah, and here we are, ye, so on behalf of the Army Money Podcast.

We want to thank you, appreciate you.

And this this was this was flowers for you.

Thank you.

Never really gotten any flowers before.

This whole thing has been about making sure you get your flowers.

Were celebrated, were celebrating you know know what I'm saying, well all a little more.

Every everything from John b Key to jay Z that part were celebrating a little more.

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