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Uh family member loved one.

Uh just you know, you know I lost a lot of fans doing some work, you know, with with with this young lady.

It's very very talented, multifaceted boss lady.

You know this is let's just get it to who she is.

First, ladies and gentlemen.

From the Preachers kid, Yeah, he's on.

I'm not come on times.

Huh sing a song writing producer because we got to put comedian in there.

Stylist contore, you see what I'm saying.

Interior design Huh you need a bag, she's probably already got it.

Resell it to you, turn up.

Yeah yeah yeah.

So can can we just get this out the way?

Yes?

Go?

Would you like to apologize Devlin?

I don't think my dad's still don't with you, you know.

When I see that nigga, listen, we don't we don't need the full explaint.

Would you like to apologize Devlin.

I stand on my character.

You did your work.

I listen and they really had me doing worse.

Yeah, and he he was like I can't, And I was like, I can.

Come on, come on, guys, I can't get Jesus Man for this.

I can't.

I can't.

Just like they hit it kick.

I don't understand is this movie about abuse?

Domestic abuse?

Like it's like you're losing me and them kids.

I remember getting off the plane one time and a little kid going, I'm like, no, no.

It's not it's.

I want to know whose parents had him watching?

It was whatever it was, it was a movie.

It's the movie that became this classic in.

Schools and churches.

Yeah, they play it in schools and churches.

Apparently it's you know, their lessons is to keep you away from the R and B singer.

Your RB.

I don't know why you laughing right, I'm not I'm not defin.

I'm not Deflin either.

I got paid to bel.

Can I tell you my bros want to And I have to say this every time someone tries to, you know, make a jab in my bro, they like yo, I still don't like take over the movie.

I'm like He's one of the nicest people I've ever encountered in life, Like he's my bro for real.

He's loving like this was hard for him to do, but he just did his job.

So job well done.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Apologize, so get out of my comments.

I don't care what I post.

Somebody Bishop's baby.

They still think my daughter is Bishop's baby greatly.

It just wouldn't you do when you do the work you do well, you know what I mean?

And it's the mean people that stick with people because when you be nice in movies, they forget you.

What I don't know.

Keep getting booked to be the villain?

Me too?

Is that a thing?

But you know why?

Why Because we have so much pent.

Up because we want to be the nice person.

Always a nice person, all the time.

So we always have to pack those don't you know what I'm saying.

We always have that packed away.

It started away for when for when we hit a breaking point, and I enjoy using it, you know what I'm saying, Like when it's time.

So what would I be if I'm an actor?

Then yes, every day.

It's how you live your life, So what would I be?

Like?

It's super nice.

You might get.

Jay not so direct.

If you could just you could beat around it a little bit.

Uh.

And we also want to point out this is Army Money, the Army Money podcast.

You know what I'm saying.

And sometimes people, you know, we'll go into their their style bag, the money bag, and and just you know, just just help with the aesthetic.

You know, the the shirt.

It's big money, it's big money talk.

I knew where I was coming and uh said, I I just don't want to wear anything.

I don't want to put it on.

And nobody pulled up with the money, you know, I mean they might have the money in a pocket.

With the money, you got to wear it.

You know, you're super stylish.

You are too super You're you're super super.

You've been on it.

I learned my style a little later after, after Jay burnt half my closet up.

But you yeah, he did it.

I love telling this story because it's true, speaks to what you listen to.

What happened is he walked in my closet when we were you know, when Jay was like, officially, you're you're the managers, you're the guy, You're the only guy.

We're gonna trust each other and we're gonna take this ride, right, And he walked in my closet.

All right, but let's just start getting everything together.

You're aesthetic.

Let's you start really tapping into the music.

So he walked in my closet.

Look, and he's like, we should we should burn.

All of the all of this, gotta go all of that forself.

And I was like, that's what friends arefore.

But bro, that's a real I mean you've been shot.

No, No, he's right, that guy be fly.

I was, I was, I was church.

I look church good.

There's a difference.

We had to get into the streets.

I mean, you could be shop at church, you could be shop a church.

But he had to get me, you know, he had to get me to Italy.

He do you know what I'm saying.

He had to get me the wrong He got you there.

You understand I'm saying.

He got me there.

And so now just now you can't get back even like you do your casual fly stuff.

So the fact that you stepped.

In and no, you know, Jay is fresh.

He's fresh, always fresh, fresh since he was a baby.

That's Jay.

It's it's not a it's not an over the top style it's just always really cool, nice.

Ship, really nice.

Always Chris, you know clothes.

I feel we are going to go back in time, but I just want to start at the style part because you're always very stylard, come with some fly.

Always what is where?

Did where did you get that from?

What did that shot?

I think with my grandmother and my mom, because my my grandmother has always been I mean, like till she left this earth, she had her Gucci bags.

And she was to match it.

I mean, come on a Alfa Williams show, Okay, Alfa Williams with sharp and my mom was the same way.

And I think also shout out to Pam.

Shout out to my mama, Pam, Mama Pam.

We know we know love pair who can who can't love Mama Pans?

You know what I'm saying.

But I do feel like with starting my career early at what twelve, like we couldn't get off the plane looking crazy, like we had to have makeup done, hair done, have on the right fing it.

You know, we had to carry ourselves a certain way because we knew with being in the public of course want to blogs and stuff and Varozzi, but you know, we had to be on point, So I think it taught me to be that way.

Like and my mom was also one of those people that was like, you never know who's gonna see on the way to the mail bats.

Never know.

She would tell me that.

I was like, well, who's gonna be out there?

Mom?

Just when I'm about to ride my bike, I don't see nobody but the ice cream man?

But pull up.

I guess.

So between my mom, my grandmother and my mom, and you know, starting this thing early with DC, I was I was kind of trained to want to always make the effort to be on point with my style.

And last question in the present before we go back to the past, do you think that that's missing now in today's and entertainment?

Are its just in music?

I think as it pertains to a female R and B artist.

Good question.

I mean, all right, let me let me let me serve it to you this way.

So with social media, like people are able to be themselves on their platform, on their pages, they can, however they want to show up style, the way they talk, that's who they are.

So I feel like the cookie cutter way that the labels might have, you know, wanted.

Us to look or well, this is what's hot, this is the new trend.

And then the style, the style of shows up to the photo shoot, the album shoot with this one rack of what everybody's wearing that's not happening anymore.

So it kind of makes me feel like, Okay, I love that people are being individuals and they're able to be creative.

And if they the type of girl that want to put on the short dress and maybe wants to wear the baggy jeans and maybe the crops, however you want to do us this, do it.

But I just feel like social media has allowed the freedom for people to be themselves and not be that could you know how when it was to do the album packaging photo shoot, whatever was.

Hot to there used to be an album cycle.

Yeah, literally an album cycle and the rollout and the whole thing, like what you had to either like get.

In shape or you had to write whatever it is.

It's like, like you said, they would.

Bring you the full thing, the full gamute of whatever is the hottest stuff.

Whatever was hot at the time at that moment, which kind of I think didn't allow people.

I mean, you could you remember I forced y'all on the first album, the first DC album at the time, I loved wearing.

Shades on my head for what I don't know.

I never put the mockers on, but anyway.

But just on the top of your head, on the top.

Okay, I threw a whole I didn't throw a fit, but it was like, no, like I really this is my thing, Like I want to just add my thing to it.

And it made the photo, it made the album, the cover of the album.

And I just was like, this is just my little piece of me that I want to carry into this moment, you know.

So I feel like now people are allowed to be more of themselves.

And whether that's more casual or you looking like you run on the runway every time, you freaking you don't why my cousins so much comfortable?

It's crazy, Like is this even a loud.

Definitely, And you know what, it's because I'm having a conversation with my brothers and we talk and.

Uh, well, the reason I asked you that question is because I mean, I guess in with social media there there has been an effect on all of that.

But I think, excuse me, you all were so respected and revered.

Very polished in your clothes all the things.

Yeah, you understand what I'm saying.

It was like it was, it was it was great styling, it was all of these things and you know, great music to go along with it to where you did necessarily have to exploit yourself as a woman.

Oh that's where Oh is that the question?

Oh, are you trying to give me in trouble?

No?

No, I'm not trying to get you in trouble.

I'm just saying that.

Yeah, times are where they are, and so in order to be heard sometimes nowadays, you got to be seen first.

You know what I'm saying.

And I understand time.

Yeah, I understand the I understand the shift.

Yes, I'm just saying.

I'm just asking from from your standpoint, is is there a way to get back to, you know, being heard, respected and love in nice?

So there's the second part of that question.

So with the freedom of being who you are and how you want to be seen, right, because some women feel perfectly okay with you know, showing up with barely anything and that's just who they are and they don't give That's what's who they are, and I can't judge that.

Right.

When we were coming up, right, I remember watching videos Duxie when she first we first started being friends, there was a lot of music that she wasn't familiar with, you know, with being raised in Africa, so she didn't.

Really know some of our key R and B artists, right.

So I was playing her the Tony Braxon videos, the Janet Jackson videos, and Whitney Houston videos, and I was like, the one thing that she pointed out.

She was like, they're all covered and I said, yeah, I said back then, like you can look at the Tony Braxon video and she had on a turtleneck dress and it was still giving sexy and body and you know what I mean.

You were focused on her vocals because you couldn't help but too, but you were like, Yo, this woman is sexy and she's feminine and she's all these different things and I want to be that, you know what I mean.

Or Whitney Houston, she would also, do you know, she would be in a white button up blouse with a pair of jeans on, sitting in a chair singing her thoat off.

You know what I'm saying.

Janet Jackson did that one of the baddest routines with a black tied up T shirt and a pair of jeanses.

She stood up on that chair and almost and didn't bustle shit open, Like I mean, that was impressive, But we were so focused on the artistry and all of those women were very different, but they didn't.

I am really trying to worry with this.

Why did you ask how you gonna pull this on?

See Toya for city councilors.

I'm saying, but like it was different, But Okay, we saw Janet Jackson, and if we've seen Janet Jackson on the cover of her album with a dude hold in her titties, we've seen all of these different things.

They were small moments.

There were small Here's the other part of that.

There's a personality that's allowed to be seen on social media that we didn't see what was going on behind closed doors with Jim.

We didn't see what was going on behind closed door with Tony or with anybody Marach.

We didn't know.

We knew what they allowed us to see.

Now with social media, if there's some ratchet behavior going on to match the outfit, then we go, oh, that's.

Who that person is.

You know.

You know what I'm saying, it's the mystery is gone.

But that's what the Internet, did it did?

We always talk we talk about that, right the.

Internet.

With freedom comes freedom comes freedom.

And you got to allow people to be themselves.

But sometimes freedom is also a prison right because now you're now you're playing into Yeah, what you think everyone wants to see are what you you see?

You know, the numbers jump off of what they're reacting to.

Everybody wants to be reactive.

Everybody wants to be reactive.

So you become now within your freedom, you become a prisoner.

You become a prisoner to those likes, to those analytics and not realizing that forever and you know, I'm sure you'll grandmama said it, My grandmama said it, My people said it.

Everyone loves to watch your train wreck.

Yeah, no matter what part of the world, what hood you come from, you've heard that in your lifetime, and now we're literally living it and seeing it, because yes, if somebody's gonna crash, you're gonna be like this.

You can be on the other side of the freeway and be like, man, why is it traffic and people are slowing up to see what's going on on the other side.

And now we're faced with that within you know, from the Internet, and from social media, and I think the music business really suffers from because we've always been reactive and now it's a magnifying glass on the reactions.

So when you walk in there and you go to a label and they're like, oh, well, what's going on with them?

Oh she got three baby daddies.

She makes songs about how these niggas a ship.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen to this one.

He got forty seven bodies.

Yeah, yeah, he getting out next week.

He need your forever.

No no, no, no, no, no, he beat.

He beat forty forty nine of them.

Say he'd be too extras too, Yeah, this one of ones he didn't do.

He beat those two.

We're gonna put this out my.

Next week, Like this is that's where we at.

Yeah, it's a cold place, bro.

But it definitely has trickled down to female artists with them having to show more of themselves from a body.

Sense or you're boring or playing and safe.

Yeah, And I remember being told that a lot too, like you don't never really, you don't show nothing like you you're always trying to be politically correct or you always you know, it gives it gives safe, it gives square and I'm like, but I don't.

It's not like I'm going, oh, I don't want to be this kind of way, like this is y'all know me.

That's how I carry myself.

That's how I was raised.

And your music is not.

You don't make wratch your music because that's here's my other thing.

If that, if that is who you are, that's fine.

I want to hear the music that's connected to that.

Now, if you're you know, if you're quote unquote safe, your songs are probably.

A little more safe.

Yeah, you know what I mean, And I understand it, but like throwing it because I've watched people try to throw artists into the fire where one thing doesn't match the other.

Yeah, And if that's the case, you either you probably just don't want that artist or you don't want to be in that type of business with that artist because at some point that's going to implo it's nothing.

You can't live a life.

But for so long, definitely not.

Now, all right, let's get back to the beginning.

Well, let's go to the beginning when Texas, when did you know what church for you in m what mother on the mother's board came to you and said, well, girl, you can shows.

When did you know you had something?

Betty Hollands, Come on, Betty Hollands, come on.

Baptist Church, baby, yes, real Wood Baptist Church.

And she would do this thing during service where the children's church, the children's board would be singing and she would pass the mic around and it got to me, I ain't get it.

The church just felt like it was my time.

I was waiting coming my way and baby, and I think.

In that moment, I was like, this is what I want to do.

And I remember my like, oh I was about six.

Oh wow, okay, I was about six yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was ready and I just from that point on, I think she saw my confidence and the love that I had for music, and she just continued to allow me to lead through the songs.

And then she sent me to Japan with like.

Wait, yeah, how did you go from the church.

The church mic?

And then she sent me to Japan at the age of ten to represent the US in this big world choir they were doing.

She sent me, thank you, miss big Famous, How I love it.

She still lived down the street from me.

Wow.

That and so that was the that was the light bulb in your head.

It was, but my confidence was different back then, Like y'all know how I get shot on the mic.

Now I what You couldn't tell me nothing.

The one thing I knew I could do a thing, and I just wish I could get that confidence back.

I would do anything to have that confidence back.

And from there, like I started being in the school plays and going out for the lead roles.

You couldn't tell me nothing.

And then somebody told me I was off, and it.

It is Betty moment, because that's.

If well here that turns you up, though, turn me up.

I was like, how doing to Betty?

You was off?

Baby?

He was, yes, off, And I was like, so with them, okay.

From a confidence standpoint, because in this business, it's that's pretty much the major key.

The major key.

It's definitely be a key, but no, but the confidence that's key.

You can't let anyone affect your confidence in this because tomorrow can be your day.

So most of the time, because we're in a subjective business, we all know that wh're all opinions.

So people don't even realize how many no's you gotta go through.

Oh my god, I talk about that all the time.

It's so many nos.

To get through the right.

Yes, yes, facts.

So if your confidence ever waivers, that shit can throw you off completely completely.

So at what age does someone tell you that where they throw like did you have that moment where they where it was like like you said, someone told me.

I was off?

Well, yeah, once I started going to.

Voice lessons and I became a part of DC, it wasn't your local talent show no more.

This wasn't the stage play.

This was it was the business real you know what I mean?

And how old are you at this point?

I'm twelve at this point, twelve maybe going on thirteen?

Okay, yeah, yeah, And.

I think you know to hear the other voices around me, and especially I mean we're talking about b I don't sound like that.

I don't sound like that.

Ain't how I sound?

Is that?

Does that mean I'm not good?

Or does that mean it's just different?

Like right?

And you start questioning because this isn't me watching Whitney on screen anymore.

This is someone in my face and I'm hearing the power.

This is someone in my face and I'm hearing the power in her thought and I'm going whoa.

And it didn't turn into competition or anything like that.

It turned into Wow, I'm looking at this person with an amazing gift and I'm getting to experience I'm getting to experience it, Like how can I better myself?

Or you know, like I know our tones are different, We're never going to sound the same, but like how I need to work on I need to work on myself, you know what I mean?

I need to work on myself.

And I think I had a moment of wow, is am I ever going to be good enough?

So I'm going to play my position that I've been given in this and and take advantage of this opportunity.

And the position I was given with solo is was soprano.

So I just worked on that.

I found my lane in the group.

I played my part.

But I played that part for so.

Long that I never really.

I never really put the effort to make the other parts of my voice, like to grow that, you know what I mean, because I was so busy at sharpening the soprano, so I became insecure in anything else and to to even hear my voice stand alone, because I'm just here for the harmonies, you know what I'm saying.

I'm just here to play my part as a as a soprano in the harmony.

The thought of hearing my voice alone again or being a solo artist was, Oh my god, the anxiety.

But when you look back on that.

Time when that was never a problem, at the edge of all I want to hear is myself.

But then the flip of that is what it helped create in you.

M hmm, because of the rehearsals, the time is spent, the criticism, you know what I mean, what this builds because what I find too in are in the industry that we're in now, where we're at now, this current moment and it's time is.

The work ethic is so different.

Yes, I think that people think you just have to live in the studio and whatever comes out of the studio is what it is more so than it is the rehearsals, the voice training, the endurance training, you know, like running there And that's why I was about to go to There are stories about y'all development and what it took to get y'all to a space where what I would call unfunck withiable.

I remember the first time I saw y'all group and I was like, this shit is crazy.

These girls are cooking, singing, dancing, not missing, they note not missing, they steps like that.

Shit was really really cool to watch from.

From the female sense, because obviously I was in a kid group, so I came up through that whole brook pane, you know, military style rehearsals, but it was always very male based for that type of stuff, that type of structure where you saw what was created through that, and I just always respected it.

I always respected it because you can for me, I.

Could see the work.

I could see the work that y'all had put in from the rip like, oh no, no, they're different, different, they really rehearsing.

Can you give us a little bit of like the just the regiment because I think, like I said, people get confused.

It was on what this shit really takes to have a thirty year career, a fifty year career, a lifetime career.

Yes, in this.

It was no games.

You know, we didn't get to do the proms and the homecomings and the kicking it with our friends.

Of course there was time for that, but we eight slept impeded this industry like we were.

It was NonStop.

We would wake up, go to rehearsal, then we would have individual voice lessons.

Then we would have group voice lessons, and then we would eat and then we come out of that and we go into another rehearsal, and then we'd work out, and then we go into another rehearsal, and.

That was our day.

Then you slept it all over again, all over again.

For how long before y'all ever even put on an album.

We started that, I mean they had been girls time, had already been doing their thing four or five years before me, I think for sure.

So when I got in, I got it in at twelve, So I mean from it's all we knew.

We didn't know anything but.

That.

There was no like, oh I'm gone, you know, I'm going to movies.

I'm gonna take a family trip.

Nah.

It's like, especially when we were trying to get our deal, it was non stop.

Remember showcases.

We were having showcases for labels.

So when that got amped up, then it was time to you know, do more rehearsals, and we go to Atlanta and we you know, we'd rehearse.

There and have a vocal coach there, and it just it was non stop.

It was non stop.

And the debut album comes out at how I was sixteen, So another four years, yuh yeah, but.

But I will, I will one thing I'll take away from that experience, man, that whole thing if you if you stay ready, you ain't got to get ready.

I remember, I don't care if we were in the airport.

I remember being on an airplane getting woke up like out our sleep, like.

Come to the front plane.

What of course you never asked that, but it was like, okay, we sang the national anthem on a plane as people are trying just to have rehearsal, singing in front of people on the spot on we were singing like hotel lobbies like wherever, whenever, like we had to be on point.

We would sit around and practice our harmonies all day long.

We were fine.

We used to listen to Boys to Men and InVogue all the time and be sitting by the boom box like this show, note this, show, note this, And we would do that all day every day, just harmonizing, getting the blend together, and you know it just it just it was life.

We didn't know life outside of that, you know what I'm saying.

And there was no break.

But what.

You ain't got to where right?

Oh whow that taken hurdle?

But I think that That's why we've been able to have long careers, to be okay with a little criticism here and there.

You know, a lot of the criticism that we were getting came from a place of love and.

Wanting someone wanting us to see us at our best.

I think now we all know how to differentiate between you know, the two you know, and also we know how to keep our business to ourselves.

We were training to do that.

We ain't gonna pop off unless it sen a song.

This is very oh you want a response, but the dow'm come out.

We learned how to keep We were talking about the mystery and how to keep that.

We had to watch the Michael Jackson, you know, if there was a tour DVD at out or tape, you know, something like that.

We were watching Mike all day.

We will watch Jannon, we would watch Shaka.

We would I mean, we would watch the greats all day, all day long, studying, studying.

Them, studying, and y'all were connected to some things that were that were also great that a lot of a lot of people may not know.

I know, because I'm from there, y'all, I got some Bay Area roots.

I mean, yeah, I mean what I mean shout out to my brother Dwayne Wicks, because that's how I first heard about you.

Yeah, through Dwayne Wiggins from Tony Tony Tony for people who may not be familiar with just the you know, the governn but even even in that, those steps to get y'all to where y'all were going, that moving moving to Oakland, moving like as kids, She's gonna uproute, move to Oakland of all places and listen and what I know about Dwayne, Dwayne will have you in the trap absolutely.

Hey, Dwayne and Dwayne, you know that gets you with the whole.

You know, incense and candles in the whole.

You know you think that nah, nah, they from the streets, They from the deep deep Oakland.

They from the streets of Oakland.

So I already know that y'all were experiencing something completely different.

How did that also play into right, because you're now signed to another artist.

Were you able to experience some of what was going on with their group or was that something completely different from y'all?

Completely different?

We were sheltered from a lot now although we were there and whether we were in the hood or not or whatever, we didn't really know.

I mean, we was in the house.

He was in the house practicing and learning harmonies.

We didn't get outside at all, you know what I'm saying.

We maybe to go have dinner every once in a while, but we were babies, so they knew to keep us out the way, you know what I mean.

We were even they were even super careful about who they put us on tour with.

Just all of that, because we were so young and and very sheltered and protected, and there were chaperones.

It was as it should be, kids on the road, you know.

We Oakland went first, Atlanta was during Freaknik time.

Who was in the house was we just knew.

So when do you think when do you think you regained at least enough confidence to say, and I don't want to skip over anything, but to say I can do this on my own.

Mmm.

That came later.

I'm still I'm still fighting with that a little.

Bit, after all your solo success, after everything Sea.

People don't realize how the seeds that they plant, especially into children, the words that are said, even if said with love.

I think I have very now that I have kids, I'm very careful with.

The way that I talk to.

Them and the things that I say to them because as an adult, I remember, you know what I'm saying, and this, we were kids in an adult industry, so kidsts and even if we're exactly and you know, we were getting I think we got.

Dropt from the label at one point.

We got it.

Just the rejection started early with us because we were, you know, wanting to get on.

We were wanting to put out an album and all these different things, and everybody wasn't feeling it.

So rejection.

We got our nose early, and that can do something to you.

It can do something to you, and but it also I feel makes you stronger.

I do feel like I am stronger and able to push through a lot of things because I know, even with some of the nose that I received, I'm still here and I'm still my gift.

Nobody has taken my gift from me.

They can't do that.

But it does have augh it had it can it can be a mental mental funk.

So what sounded like you had?

But I'll tell you when it started.

So I after after uh DC, I honestly didn't know what it what it was that I wanted to do.

I was being a solo artist, was nowhere what I would be I would argue you down.

I might have gone off on you if you said anything to me about what.

No, that wasn't an option.

And then I found myself here in LA working with Chris Hicks, Terry Ross, Dave.

Young Ties my guys, and you know, they were like, yeah, let's you know, let's let's do a little something, you know whatever.

So I did a few of these records and Dave was helping to build my confidence up in the studio.

I would love him forever for that because he was my teacher and he was very patient with me, and he knew, you know, what I was going through mentally, and he just he was like, your tone, your tone is crazy.

Your tone is crazy.

You need to just just like.

Understand that you can stand alone, like you can do this.

And I was like, you know, I can, this is so or whatever.

And so we just kept working together and ended up, you know, Chris ended up shopping me a deal and getting me signed a capital and everything was fun and all until I had to start performing live really and that's when the anxiety, the panic attacks, the that's when it got real.

Oh yeah, it got real.

I would have panic attacks in the bathroom.

I was scared to go on stage.

My voice would literally be shaking, like to be out there alone by myself and not have my girls up there with me.

You know I didn't.

I didn't know how to play that off.

Wow, I didn't know how to play that off.

And it wasn't until I got on the Mary J.

Blige tour, That's what I say.

It wasn't until I got and I thanked Mary at the BT Awards, like just a few weeks ago, because I don't under I don't think she understands what she did for me and giving me that opportunity and allowing me to just be a part of something so amazing, and watching her on stage every night, like one thing about Mary is going to be from her soul.

She not worried about whether it's on, it's off.

Is this that she is telling her story and that's.

All that matters.

She getting it out.

And I learned so much from watching that.

I came from this, you know what I'm saying.

Which is great too.

We see, we see how that performs.

But to watch someone just go out there and pour out their soul every night, it made me go.

Let your hair down, a get your freedom back.

You know what I'm saying, like, trust yourself, trust your gift.

You're here for a reason.

This woman would have you opened enough for her if you sound like a dying goat, like you're here for a reason.

And I just feel like in that moment and allowing God to showed up, he did.

And every night I got stronger and stronger and stronger, and I just I started to realize, Okay, this is where you're supposed to be, and.

How long is your set?

At that point, myself was about twenty five minutes.

Oh you got right into it too, because people don't realize it, like twenty five minutes sounds short, but for a new artist, because you also weren't doing any old records.

You were just doing no no album.

Yeah, so you're giving them twenty five minutes of new music.

And a few dance for tens.

Come on, come on a little bit.

That's not that's not easy.

Yeah, it was a lot.

I saw you on that tour you did, and I was like, and it was when you were you were singing uh uh, what's what's it called?

The between the two you were singing tour and I knew what notes were coming up?

Why does everybody know the note.

I knew what notes were coming up, and I wanted to see how it played out line.

And I was like this, see and.

You went into the heavens and got to it and lived there.

So you did you?

Okay, so that's another question.

Did you know that they'd be looking for that note?

But did you purposely do that in the studio like I'm about to show these motherfuckers I can sing.

Dave said, where do you want to go with this?

Because this is the bridge so you can't give me this.

You got to give me that, and they don't really give that anymore.

But you know, whatever they give you this now.

He gave me a little bit of something, David.

You know Dave.

So he gave me a little bit of hood.

He did something and I was like, we're going there.

He was like yeah, So he gave me a couple of takes of it.

And that's what y'all got.

It's kind of like what happened with good to me?

No, no, no, we get that.

But because I also I remember that, I remember the notes, you know what I mean?

Like like you said, everybody remembers that.

I think for me it was more so, Oh she got something to prove.

Yeah, maybe even if you you know, unknowingly did it.

I wouldn't lead a bit until that was That's what That's what I felt hearing that record, like, oh, she got something to prove.

Because I'll be very honest with you, I didn't know nobody else could sing.

Just is what it is, right.

I can't beat nobody but me.

I take the truth.

I didn't know nobody else could sing, So I remember I think I was.

I don't know what city I was in, and did they have heard harmonies.

I'm from the streets.

I don't hear no harmonies, so.

No, I heard the harmonies, but it was still you didn't know anybody could do that.

Yeah, that wasn't so listed on the package.

I'm at a hotel some random city.

I don't know if it was an event.

Did they have like some I feel like I'm right.

Did they do a promo where they like hung something on the doors of hotels of yours?

Yes?

See, I remember the first time I saw it, I'm like, she can't say, don't fight me for it, but this is my first I gotta be you know me, my first time seeing.

It, I'm like, cute girl, from what is this?

Put this on my door?

What is this?

Right?

And I'm sure I wasn't the only person who did you.

I'm sure I was the only person who did it because we just we ignorant to the fact of you know, we go off of what was presented to us.

So for me, I just thought, that's my natural thought.

Then I hear this song and I'm like, what.

The fuck she cooking?

You came out as a solo artist first, as in the group, but as a solo artist before auto tune, before this auto tune thing.

So what was on that record was how you sang that?

And I was a believer from that point on.

Thank you from that point on.

But at first, yeah, I was like, she's just a you know, cute girl in the group and this girl and that was the younger say now.

And then I guess before we get to that next album where we come in, there was this movie called The Preacher's Kid.

That you still don't apologize.

I tried to get you to apologize.

Can Devilin apologize?

I don't even know where Devilin is, Yes, you do.

I don't know that jacket he had on too.

I'm sure he probably still got that Jack.

Listen, listen.

I had a hard job managing this guy after he played Devil, because I didn't manage you when he played Devila.

He was just talking about There was people who still remember Devlin.

When I took Tank on as an artist, when he took me on as a manager.

I remember there was an agent was like, I was you know how I go for you, bro, And I was like, no, like my broken I mean, he was like, I'm not signing to him.

I don't like it from the movie.

I was like, you really did a great job though, like I'm trying to get you a pot of but like real ship, you did a great job in that movie because it affected everything.

Yeah, and just not everybody, but everything.

There were people who saw you as that.

People were like and they couldn't un see.

It, like, dude, is mean, I'm serious.

And then on this album covers, he's just on their buff.

Look at me, fudd, He's not in the world.

I mean, nigga.

So we're doing this movie and and I think the coolest moment in shooting this film was that nope, which one I think that came off cool to everybody else, But the personal moment between me and you that we shared that we unintentionally shared was was in the bedroom after the fight, after I beat you up, I hit you and then started apologizing and then just started talking about how the industry Oh.

My gosh, yes, and I was there.

They only did like one taken at didn't And.

We had a moment connected so personal between the both of like we were having a conversation.

Toya not as the character and uh Angie and.

We got to crying and wooing like they they had hurt y'all the scene was called for in real life, we were hurt why right.

It was to the point to where she was missing lines, was just crying and I was like, you know, trying to say your part goes like and they still owe me.

Right and we are crying, real tears.

In laughing, real emotions in this scene to the point that, oh my god, to the point to when they said cut, we stop crying like we were just we were we were just it was it was a release of some real ship that we was going through at.

The same time.

Yes, we connected.

I think that's when we connected as friends like brother and sister in that very moment, Like this is bigger than this movie because.

I remember the day was like I got a song for years that two thousand and.

Nine, Yeah, like yes, like nine, yeah, yesh, yeah that's right before we start working on the now ur Never album.

Yeah yeah yeah, because I was kind of in limbo again because you know, sex, Cleve and pain.

It came out and I had done on you know, the cool stuff with sex, love and pain.

But then I was you know, starting to starting to drive, starting to drive again, starting to dry up on me.

Background wouldn't acting right, and you know, and but you know, all these things, but that moment and then I was like, I was like, I got some music for you.

We should we should do some music and and now we can get into the first of all, you kill Preacher Skid.

You did?

You know what I'm saying, I did amazing.

You're such You're such a bar for female solo artists.

You're such a bar.

And when that bar is missing, you know, like who is who's gonna help influence and help inspire and help like keep that thing.

Like like Big J used to get to get on me.

It is like he's just like, man, you don't put out enough music.

I was like, what do you mean He's like, you just don't put out enough music, like people need to see you, they need to hear that, like there is need to be programming tuned, that that frequency needs to always be available so that people know what it is, so that the real is never missing.

You know what I'm saying.

And to me, that's what you represent.

Every time I've ever called you on stage, cook cook on demand?

Every time?

Can I get my show back?

If I can get my show back, ye, he's gonna get to it.

You know what I'm saying.

Because if she's saying one more so at the pair and so even to this day.

You know what I'm saying, you're missing.

You're what a good time?

Well, first of all, can we just I have to do this.

I have to do this.

Okay.

I know y'all know me as like cis and whatever, and we probably had conversation about like me having more kids and what.

Do I want for my future, especially going through what I just went through.

You know what I'm saying, And I'm like, do I want more kids?

I don't.

I don't.

I feel like I love my two that I got on too, and I'm through.

But this record, y'all just drop.

Right.

Y'all was singing to the US across the world, every unite, come forward.

Y'all were singing to our services that the damn song just something to the clitoris.

Yeah, oh yeah, that song.

I was like, y'all put some spirits on.

It's y'all put something in the spaghetti on that.

Y'all did that on purpose, And I don't like it.

It wasn't on purpose.

It was crazy.

It was actually accident.

You don't accidentally come up.

With the record, have been the record, had add the record, had been sitting with us for a minute.

That's it.

Why would you do that?

Well, because here's something you don't know you need something until you actually need it right, And you don't actually see the full value and potential in a thing until you until you need it right, until you're trying to fill a void and you look back like.

That, that's what I.

It fits perfectly.

Right.

And so you know they sent us a song.

Shout out to Will Getton, send us a song or coasie for you, well for me for you?

Yeah, And I'm like, Jay, play it for me.

I'm like, I'm like I like it, but in my mind I'm coming off of when we fuck.

We got fucking with me, dirty dirty, Yeah.

How much fucking can we do?

Man?

We flushed positions a few times.

You know, we're running into overtime right now with all this fucking.

And as I'm finishing the album, I'm like, what's missing?

And I'm like, wow, we just went you know, number one?

We have the number one song for two years in the road, seventeen eighteen.

We've got to have some of that essence here.

We can't little flex.

Little life, Okay, it's necessary.

I was like, we can't not have any of that here.

Got to make sure we have that that presences.

Gotta be a little head at least a little bit.

And cosine Re sends me the song and I didn't realize it was the same song.

He says it, and I said, at the time, I need this kind of song.

I'm like, this motherfucker is a monster is He's like, He's like, he's like, big bro, I'm telling you.

You know, the guy's a big fans of yours and they want this record for you is fire.

And I called Jay, I'm like, Jay, remember that song that did you let me hear this song?

He said, yeah, Nigga, I'll let you hear that song.

Look at us the song, I said, Nigga, it's crazy.

He's like, Nigga, I told you crazy.

I said, I'm gonna tell you what's gonna be even crazier you On the second.

Verse, someone retirement jay I.

Said, it's time, he said, he said, chief.

You know, it's just I said, I don't.

Want to hear nothing.

Get over here, get come sing I already.

I know the way y'all cried on that record, Like.

The way that there was like what women want and desire.

Of course, you know you like it us sometimes you like whatever.

But it was a very like the sensitivity that we need from a man.

The even though y'all didn't sing the lyrics slow or anything like that or any of that, the passion, the what we want from a man to feel loved, to feel.

Y'all held us in that record.

Y'all are literally spooning us, if you will.

No, it's es central my first time, my first time hearing the record because we didn't write the record right record in, which is even more foreign because right, y'all, I just you know what I mean, we just we do our own record.

So that's why the record was even that.

It was just it was such a special record I just couldn't get away from.

But a big part of why I couldn't get away from it because I was just like these niggas wrote a record that's sensual.

And nasty at the same time.

But it's like but sweet and it's and it's not like it's not overbearing.

It's the only thing right because you know, you'll see the comments here and there, obviously just the word fuck in itself.

It's just, you know, just it gets It gets people.

It's gonna it's gonna cause a reaction.

And anybody that knows me, when I do music or anything I've been a part of in music, I don't want to do it.

If there's no reaction.

There has to be a reaction, you know, I right reaction.

You put that on and when you get the right reaction, you got something.

What's crazy is that he don't even know is that the the I guess what did you say?

You said?

The the there's a yeah, a wine.

And a cry.

Which he delivered better than me in the original version.

But his voice j nation.

So so when he when I recorded my verse and and my hook and all of that.

He then came and recorded his, And then when I heard his, I said, oh he cooked, he he cook crock pot.

He ain't coming out like this.

He put it out like I said.

And I heard his hook.

I said, I got it.

I hear it.

I hear where he has a wine.

I said, I got to be there, turning ship back on, ship back on, pull pull it up, put it up, because this is not happening.

Was you coming off as was you going in there?

No?

I I wasn't.

I just wasn't pulling hard enough.

Yeah, he tugs like I was.

I was.

I was going through the motions like he was really pulling.

And I was like, oh yeah, okay, see what we're doing.

Yeah yeah, turn this ship back on, pulling.

Tell my grandkids I made tank seeing his.

Part, you made chicken go back in and redo his verse like that was that was.

My damn about that damn and almost made to you last.

Check my damn hair.

This song on the plane at night time.

Yeah, I heard the song on the playing at night time at nighttime.

You know, I get when you want you're taking the knife flights, yeah, and you're just listening you.

Yeah, I ain't got nobody even.

Laying to go to your boss.

You know.

That turkey leg.

Yeah, that thing for me, and it made me feel like I got in your comments.

Yeah he's back.

But that was perfect.

It was it just lined up the right way.

It aligned everything I told you.

And the movement you know, continues from there.

But back to you.

So, how many how deep are you into the show at this point?

How many episodes are you in?

Oh?

Man, I don't even know.

I think we're uh somewhere around six or eight.

Were pulling out every Tuesday.

Okay, every Tuesday, y'all.

Make sure y'all tune in.

Leave it to LaToya.

Leave it to LaToya.

It's cute.

So I have a question, Yes, sir.

First, this this this, uh, this is what you have leaving to LaToya happening at the moment.

Really, what do you what do you see as next?

I want to be on the writer producer side of more music and film.

I like, seriously, I have some ideas.

I've put them on paper and everything, and I'm about to start taking meetings.

So I want to be on the other side of the camera.

I want to really dive into also design.

I love fashion, I love I love interior, Deckcord, like I could do that.

In my sleep.

So I'm this conversation.

Having a storefront ain't easy though.

It's a lot going on in the world, and it's like and with online and with social media Instagram?

What why am I parment?

Anyways?

I just feel like I want to I want to dive deeper into like things that I've really always wanted to do.

It might be scared to, you.

Know, do so would you design your own line?

Like, yeah, I would, Okay, I would, Yeah, top five R and b artists yours, yours, yours mind.

You're not saying what people rank in the you know, Oh she puts such and suching no, no, no, yours.

This is who you enjoy personally, that you believe.

School, whatever, okay, whatever.

Luthor gotta start with Luther, Big Luther, little Luther.

Both okay, both.

Yeah?

Anita Tank Wow, you bro he did the day in Britain and produced.

I ain't saying right here, you know what I'm saying.

He definitely, Oh, Tony done got me through a lot.

M hm, Tony, tell him to talk to me, talk to me to who should have gotten through some heartbreak?

I'm like, oh dang, it's one.

I'm gonna throw Jasmine in there, Jazmine selling.

Yeah, yeah, I.

Can't add Jobasy because Jodasy is in there.

Like you said, artists, but I want to say, artists.

Make the bad sex us fine, Jos, I can't let you Jodasy.

How he's a child of Divante?

Yeah, mother, father, Well, clearly, I'm telling them my lines is structured forehead.

Wow, top five R and B songs.

Rude.

Why would y'all add me that?

Because you want to know.

That's not cool like we would like to know.

And then I know that can change every day, it can fluctuate.

Jams man, what is your jams your jams R and B jam R and B jams.

Yo?

Okay, if only for one night?

M hmm.

Okay, what's the name of the song?

Uh?

What first true?

Eve?

What's the something?

And it's they never knew something that they never knew and it's much more, it's much more than they ever knew, much more than much much more than they can be called.

I think so.

But that's my nama too, okay, okay with that title.

Sorry, Oh, this is a hard one.

You know what, I can't stop playing right now?

Talk about it?

Funny, how time fly?

Have you all listened to that jan record?

They were just playing it?

Where was I?

I cannot remember where I was this song?

No, we were on the boat yesterday in Miami on the key on the river boat.

Shout out the key on the river.

I'm gonna throw that out.

And and brion who is who swears he's an R and B archaeologist, which he's really good.

He's really good.

He's a really good R and B officionado.

And he he he got the ox from Jordan, because you know, Jordan had us my nephew.

I'm sure he was playing all ratchet.

Oh yeah, that was all ratchet.

But then it was time to go and to the R and B and uh, brionn seized controls and he started that Janet Jackson and it was just it was just a little dark outside.

Yeah, that'll take something from it'll do something.

I still do it, Yeah, still do it.

The way it come in?

Did she give you French at the end?

Is that French?

I don't know.

I don't care.

I don't care.

Oh my gosh.

And isn't it a continuation of less?

Wait a while, No, I thought it was.

I thought she didn't want to do it in less way a while, and she said, let's wait a while, and then it was like funny, how time flies.

She ran back into the nigga and was like, you know what I mean, I'm ready.

The way you're putting it together, it makes sense.

I thought that as a young girl.

That's what I said to myself.

Should have been listening to that as young girl.

I was, you know what you know?

Pam, pam my mama, let me listen what I thought.

I thought it was hot out.

I only wanted to be to.

The truth about it around truth, truthful bottle.

Oh my god, I couldn't check that song.

I still can't.

It's a voice man song.

I don't know if it's A'll make love to you or if it's.

We belong together?

Is that the same?

Into the role?

Which one?

Is it that's in of the round?

Start staying, that's end of the rod?

But or is it I'll make love to you?

Which one you tell?

I don't know, guys, the one that starts together.

I'm touring five A and B five five am b okay five baby, I'm not really I have to be done.

Got five.

You're doing six of everything.

We're letting you get away with.

Girl get away?

Really do all right?

R and B Voltron, who are you taking the vocals from?

Who are you taking the styling from, the aesthetic, the appearance, and who are you taking the performance from?

To make the complete?

You're complete?

R and B artist, where.

Y'all kidneys ship from?

Thanks you for coming, I chief, I'm gonna ask him.

There's me and Rubenson in there.

He's like, and then we can.

And then Jacob's like, yeah.

Damn man, and I don't want no trouble for saying what I gotta say.

There ain't no trouble.

You know what I'm saying because you know I'm about to say two female artists who are totally different, but who you get?

So let's started.

Who are getting the vocals from?

Jasmine?

Come on, come on, I'm getting them from Jazmin.

I said in front of that.

I fan girls.

She performed the essence this past year and I literally was like, Ian girl.

I'm pick up your goddamn feelings.

I'm gidding.

I was like, is she talking to me?

I felt like I left feelings over there, pack them up, says, put them in a doggy bag.

I might have left a few who.

You're getting the styling from esthetic.

Flyesh Rihanna mm hmm, every fly, very fly, every fly fairy.

Yeah, she didn't like Rihanna.

I love her because she just do her and like she don't miss especially like remember she was disrespecting the sidewalk for us every day like she would every time she walked outside.

It was like.

She was modeling.

Why while pregnant like she was, she was still you know what I'm saying.

Like I was like, oh, okay, okay, the belly isn't necessary.

The belly is it is, it is.

Everything is part of the vibe, you know.

And she just got a.

Effortless She just got a certain she got an ownership everything.

The confidence is because what.

It comes down to is the not giving a and she don't like we talked about with a Mary J.

Blige, Mary gonna give you her no matter whatever it is, what it is.

And she's my emotion because you didn't.

You got to add that emotion, Mary.

Emotion make you cry sometimes That's what Age Town talked.

We're gonna add emotion to that emotion.

Who do you get the feeling?

Okay, got you?

Who do you get Mary?

Who do you get okay, Okay.

You feel like she been She will mispronounce a word in the song.

You don't care what she meant that in this dancery.

This I don't even know.

I don't even think that they've even made a dancery.

I still don't know.

It has something to do with the stiff leg dance and the bob that's what that's what everybody does.

That in the danswer when she said I should have left your ass alone time ago and wind that down.

I've seen it.

Listen.

I've seen it live, yeah, and live every.

Not when she started rolling around on the ground during normal drama or stumping or having a full out tantrum, I'm like, hour.

Y'all not, this is crazy.

It gets spiritual.

I'm in church.

I'm having a full blown experience.

When I watched mary.

Last one performance, I got two you sorry.

It would be, it would be, it would but listen, okay, Because people gonna argue me that Michael isn't pop.

Michael isn't pop.

Yeah, I mean, Michael Jackson is an R and B.

They'll say he's a pop artist.

People will argue me down and say that Michael Jackson isn't an R and B artist, He's a pop artist and all these he all thinks.

Christ that what no, no, no, that Michael Jackson is R and B.

He is.

We not even go to the all things Michael Jackson's R and B suard theare R and B Gary R and B is Let's well, let's say this, R and B has encompasses so much and I think that I think that.

It was ours R and B.

Was ours still ours.

No, That's what I'm saying.

And a way for them to take a piece of that.

That's where the word pop I get it.

I will know what pop is popular, but popular a way for them to own that space.

But you know it was crazy, you know how he owned them.

He called himself the king of it.

He sure did.

Absolutely.

But think about this though, like even even if we talk about a guy, a guy named a guy like Bruno mar R and B, R and B singer, R and B singer.

You know what I'm saying, justin Timerlake, but R and B singer pop takes it out of not here at R and B money, not here at all, not here at R at R and B money.

Michael Jackson ess Orange Joseph all the Hey, what other name you?

R and B, R and B period, all the middle names.

Yeah, talk about it.

Before you get to Jackson.

Michael Jackson.

Okay, so you got Michael Jackson.

It's an R and B artist.

I'm gonna say, to watch Beyonce perform.

I'm sorry, I don't.

And that's why I said I had to have I went.

I had to say Michael, and I had to say.

B went to Miami and the Rose and I was still affected.

I still she was like walking over and ship ship.

It's just it was.

Just like she likes to splash around in water.

It was just the power that she brings.

It was a levels of performance that I'd never ever seen before.

I'll be watching on stage sometimes she don't know this, but I'd be like, we used to do that.

Where you learned that, where you learned that, you got some upgrades that.

Used to do that level of college.

It's just but it came from it came from affecting your craft and working and when some of us wanted to go to the movies, when some of us wanted to go when we did have our off time, she was in the studio, sitting there by herself writing the record.

She was in the car when we I never forget.

We was at this little like indoor play, jungle gym situation or whatever, having our fun my kids were supposed to.

And she set out on a hot ass car and was writing to a track.

And I remember going to be at was she in the car?

I'm going in and see what you know?

And I went and set in the passenger seat and she just wrote this record, and I was like, we'll be out here trying to have fun in this girl she's she is on it.

She lives this like this, she wants this bad she is.

It is no surprise to me that she is the icon that she is now a lot of other things went into that, but I will say her work.

Ethic is I ain't seen.

It's monstrous.

I ain't seen.

I like it, and being around it made you feel guilty if you weren't like.

Wait, I'm not doing something right.

Wait it was.

She didn't have to say anything to hold your account.

No, No, she did it.

She just did it by example.

She led by example.

Wow.

Yeah, that's that's it.

We gotta get back to.

That used to sit in with me while I was singing my parts.

You know, normally the lead singer once they've done their role or whatever, you coming and seeing your foul lines and they go off and do whatever.

He would sit in the booth with us on the flo or in the corner and you're like, nah, try that again, blah blah blah.

And the support she would give us, even in the roles that we played in this Wow, I'll never forget that.

I'll never forget that.

She never stopped, She hasn't stopped, she won't.

She's unstoppable for real.

That's great.

Yeah, anything that has her name on it, anything that has to do with her will be great.

Body means necessary, even if it means sacrificing at all.

Well, and I saw that firsthand.

M hard work, dedication, all that means.

Don't ask me no, don't sh.

It like, don't I'm not.

I feel like I'm being threatened.

Oh the lean threaten.

Well fuck it.

Then we got this part of the show.

Tell us sure.

It's tight, Yeah, gonna bust about of gonna bust about up.

Listen.

So this part of the show it's called I ain't saying no names.

I ain't saying no names.

It can either be funny or fucked up.

Are both funny and fucked up.

The only rule to the game is you can't say the names, so nobody that's a part of the story can be mentioned that.

You might say the occupation, you might can dibble, dabble around, whatever you got to do.

But you cannot say their name.

And it's that simple.

Just give us a good story, man, story, give us.

Let's get behind the curtain.

Yeah, keep here in the curtain.

Hell, you know the velvet rope.

You know all the cool ships you grew up in.

I didn't go to Japan at ten.

Come on, what happened in your pan?

Happen you still know the niggas from Japan?

Come on?

You know what passed?

Pass me?

Some of that?

Maybe a snack you want to snacks?

Man, Maybe to cook or something.

Man, I mean they've be saying we've been on here eating chips and all this kind of ship.

Yes we do, we got we be snacked up, baby sna get you get your chips ship snacking cold mm hmmm, Snacky Robinson, snacky Jackson.

I don't know bo Maddine the motherfucker right now because we're chewing.

I know Boba shout out to boat because both madded them ucker right now.

Okay, So I remember I had just started this show and I was super excited about the role.

And first day of work call time was like four am.

Crazy.

So I'm barely up, I know my lines.

I'm nervous as hell because I'm working with some like, I mean, amazing actors, and I mean the director was crazy.

I mean just the lineer was nuts.

So I go on on set and I'm in the makeup trailer.

Crack, Dawn still got sleep in my eyes.

It's a whole thing.

And so the main actor walks in and she's losing it on hair and makeup, and I'm just watching her, like this is.

Just how we get down this.

First of all, it's early, it ain't even six.

You just wallowing out the lake, you know, and it's just breakfast.

I ain't even got my breakfast ordered taken yet, and you are wild.

And so that that's where it started.

Then, you know, I get on set.

I'm getting mic going through the you know, the proper rehearsals, all the stuff or whatever.

And uh, I noticed her energy is a little different.

On set, and so when it was time to like roll when I tell you this, lady's past on everybody, to the point where she started throwing set chairs and being violent and clearing everybody off the set and just like it was like losing it on everybody.

She didn't want nobody to mic her.

Yeah, it was like, don't touch me, get your hands off of me.

And I was just like, and I'm like, yo, I am about to have to do like all of my scenes are with her, like sh all of them, every single one of them.

And I'm like, what if I signed up for?

So she proceeds to kick everybody off set, but then you hear her.

She kicked out the director, cut.

Every She was like, get out, get away from me.

It was like that moment and then they left.

Everybody left.

But then you hear her at the distance going I'm so long.

Everybody has left me and abandoned me.

And I was like, what the fuck is happening?

And I'm on the phone with my agent like bitch, why didn't you?

What is that?

Whatever?

But the sad part about it was because eventually she got it together and we started our scene, moved on the day, kept going, they kept going like it was nothing like this was the norm.

So, and it was the my million dollar question, is she's a black?

No?

And that was the sad part about it, because in my mind, I'm going like, had this been a system, she would have been third.

And AA went to Instagram and talked about it.

You know what I'm saying.

She would have been black balled had she carried on like this.

Have you noticed that it's called blackbald?

Of course, everything black isn't good, it's what is being.

And that's how they made us feel like when you're black, anything it's wrong or it's bad.

We got a starry check but we've already started to work on that.

But it's such a powerful word that it makes you feel away.

You have a reaction to it.

But yes, she wouldn't have had no job.

But when I tell you, I was like, I remember we did also did a scene after and she wild out in the car and I was in the passage to see of the car.

And she was using her hands and I said, oh, is she gras me?

Way moment a wind?

She hit me first moment.

You only needed a grade, you know.

And I'm going and you got to keep professional under these circumstances.

But as a black woman, I'm sitting here watching her carry on like this.

No one I couldn't do the same thing.

Nobody's saying anything.

Everybody just the tank from I was like, this is not.

Roll.

The cameras show what if people need to see.

And that's I ain't saying no name ladies and gentlemen, Yes, yes, ladies and gentlemen.

This has been absolutely special.

You know you know how I feel about you.

You know I love you to pieces.

I love you too, bro.

Uh, it's family, it's.

Love, it's everything.

Now we we are extremely thankful.

Yeah, like of course you would just look at it like these are my guys, But no, no, no, no no, because we know how busy you are.

We know that you yea.

When the baby's getting involved and you got to make plan like that's appreciated.

I moved things around for y'all.

Y'all ain't never not showed up when I call, so I'm gonna always do the same.

Thank you for performing at my birthday party.

To yeah, yeah, he came to the trenches.

That was a time, and they saying as loud as they could when they fucking.

With you before I came on the time.

Thank you, and you know you know we are were less than the phone call the way always.

Thank y'all always being there.

Yeah, y'all have seen me at my worst.

Y'all see me at my best.

And y'all are always the first ones to call when when she hits the fan.

So thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

Ladies and gentlemen, I am Tank, I'm Jay Valentine and this has been the R and B Money podcast, the authority on all things are and be with one of the coldest, one of the coldest of the time, Flyer the Beautiful inside and out LaToya.

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