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The Night Someone Stayed Silent
Episode Transcript
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Speaker 2Caine Moore would have turned twenty one on September twenty two, of twenty twenty five.
It's the same day we released this podcast.
It would have been like any other twenty first three young bloke from Townsville, some beer and mates, playing music, and maybe an embarrassing speech or two from mum and dad with some photos shown up on a screen.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4We just had his birthday last Sunday, So we went down to the park and I'm talking about I can't kill that beyond there.
It's nice having Carol Mighte Cake down there, pleas favorite.
Speaker 2It was nice.
Yeah, for Sarah Jane Moore, Caine's mum, this birthday is not a celebration, just like the other three that have gone before.
There's just pain and sorrow and wanting to know what happened to their Cane.
Speaker 1When he passed.
Speaker 4I had to go straight into his room and just laying on his bed and just smell his clothes and stuff.
Speaker 1I just couldn't leave it, Just.
Speaker 4Like I just kept thinking that I was going to wake up from this bad dream soon.
Speaker 1But yeah, each day I was wrong.
Yeah, I'm not going to wake up from this.
Speaker 2It's real In a lot of these cases, it's a mystery about what happens to the person, how did it happen.
That's even before you get to the why and the who.
But in Kine's case, it's pretty clear he was run over at low speed or lying on the ground in a park.
He wasn't on the road.
He was off the beaten track where cars shouldn't be driving, although they did in this particular park often.
While we were there looking at the scene back in September of last year, three kids on four wheel motorbikes screamed through the park and overjumps.
Speaker 5Yeah, if you're walking, you're facing this way, right, and so you fall, want to sleep or whatever.
If he was coming back from somewhere, his head would be facing yeah.
Speaker 6Yeah.
Speaker 3And that's what makes me think it was there on the way out, because otherwise I think it would have been more damage coming from the head this way across the body.
Speaker 2So you think someone's driven this, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1Think he's been hit on the way out.
Speaker 2It's not hard to imagine how this happened.
What's hard for the family is to try to explain this tragic accident and why someone didn't come forward, because surely somebody knows something.
Kane's Arti, Katie, was the first to actually see him dead in the park after Cane's sister McKay called because she was freaking out when she went to the park the next morning and saw Cain lying there.
She beat the horn and Kane didn't move.
Katie remembers what happened in the morning after everyone left the park and went back to Caine's house.
Katie, Kane's Auntie, became the official contact for police.
In those early days in a small suburb like Alice River, people start to talk, rumors start to swell, and Caine's family shared those rumors with police.
Speaker 3They won't giving us much, hey, like literally, we won't given us much at all.
Speaker 1Oh, well, it was because we had.
Speaker 3So many questions and they were very hesitant in how they were answering things.
Speaker 1But I remember it would have.
Speaker 3Been maybe two two and a half weeks after we'd lost Cain, and I remember going into the police station one day and giving it.
Speaker 1Him the theory that we all had.
Speaker 3And I remember the police officer saying to me at that point that he never said to me, yes, we agree with you, Katie, but he.
Speaker 1Said something in a way that made me.
Speaker 3Feel like they were investigating it and we don't know whether Cain has been there when he drove in, or whether it's only there when he drove out, and then it was put on the back of a truck and brought out and checked again.
But I'd have been interviewed once and there was literally not one meeting or update after that.
And there was so many things that we sent through to the police in the first maybe week and a half, you know, so many little theories that we sent through, and he would go and investigate it, but never ever come back to us and said, oh, like that was no good or that lead didn't pan.
Speaker 1Out or anything.
It was just it was literally like.
Speaker 3We didn't need to know, and the investigation was ongoing, and they they've never reported back to us or had another meeting with us after that point.
Speaker 1Was very vague.
Speaker 2In these types of circumstances, you can absolutely empathize with the family, but equally you can understand from the police that they don't want to give too much away, especially while they investigate.
That's their job.
And although the family said the detectives on the scene acted with empathy, it still hurts not knowing or understanding what the police process in an investigation like this from our off the record conversations.
This accident actually shocked police in the area as well.
On the morning of Caine's death, they posted on the QPS Facebook page.
The comments on that post echoed the town's sentiment.
Speaker 7Police are investigating the sudden death of a man at Alice River this morning, April twenty second.
Jodi sad.
Speaker 2All right, rip young man Robin.
Speaker 7Please, if struggling, speak, even if your voice shakes.
Speaker 1Ainger.
Very sad.
Speaker 8Condolences to family, friends and emergency services.
Speaker 2I talked about the rumors that were swirling, and Katie and the family ended up having an email chain going with the police whenever they thought they had new information.
Speaker 3Both emails and phone, mainly email, because when I emailed, I would see see in you know, my brother in law, my sister, my mom, everyone got seezed into email.
So it was a big trail always happening, so we could all sort of keep an eye out, and we were all very very upset and angry with you know, they had I'm pretty sure I've got an email somewhere where he says that he can't call him back in for a second, you can't call any of the kids back in for a second interview unless he's got some solid lead to do that.
Speaker 1And I could never understand.
Speaker 3Why that was, because we got a lot of like little messages from people saying so one today was mouth and off.
I know exactly what happened to Kane.
So I've got all information I put into an email to the place.
Then he would, you know, take a lot two weeks to get back to us to let us know the outcome of that.
But even then the outcome was like, oh, that Lee was no good.
Speaker 1So I would I don't know.
Speaker 3I guess that we were given a family liaison officer, and I don't know what they call them that, because they were definitely not a family liaison officer.
The only time they ever liais with us is where they hadn't came here to this house for a big meeting with the whole family.
Speaker 1And literally that was it.
That was it, Katie.
Speaker 2Did they ever confiscate any of Caine's belongings or your belongings.
Speaker 3No, we went in there and did our statements, and they took our phone and downloaded everything off our phone.
I guess to make sure that when I said, I was at the park at this time.
Speaker 1I was.
Speaker 3I'm pretty confident that's what that was for.
But my phone was given back to me straight away and there was no issues.
Speaker 2So and from your understanding, was there ever a toxicology report or an autopsier report that you've seen?
Speaker 3Yeah, I believe so, But I don't know the families received a copy of that back yet.
As far as I know that they were asking for one, I don't know if that's been sent back to us yet.
Speaker 2Do you know if they had like time stamps on the CCTV so they could see what time people were leaving.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's all been done with.
Speaker 3They printed all the photos off and brought that back to the house a couple of days after to show Caitlin to get her to identify the cars of the photos.
Speaker 1My mum was present with her at that stage.
Speaker 3I fear like that was the day that I was in doing my statement, and Mum even said that the photos of a little cars that went through were so blurry.
There was a lot of traffic that went up and down that road that night, which I think hited a big the investigation.
That way of trying to identify all the cars and you know, there was even a stolen car out here that night apparently that tried to break into the shop for a little bit there, or a suspect as well too when they were trying to track all that down.
But I'm pretty sure that all got did, it got cleared.
Speaker 2So did they tell you any of the vehicles that were there, you know, had they left at a particular time.
Speaker 3Know, was just literally all the photos and Caitlin had to go through and say, oh, that's such and such a car, that's such and such as car.
Some of them she couldn't even identify because they were going so fast down the road.
Speaker 2And he said to us before that they did conduct some forensic examination in the vehicles.
Do you know if they actually swabbed the vehicles or was it just checking tires nothing.
Speaker 1All we know is the vehicles got given back.
Speaker 3And we found that information at ourselves, not from the police.
So with their vehicles were all given back to these people.
I find it really strange that my husband's vehicle didn't get taken, consider it was found so close to where Cain was.
But they they allowed him to reverse the car out and obviously.
Speaker 1He hasn't done it, but I'm just saying, like it's just.
Speaker 3Is it just because they you know, because it wasn't investigated properly.
Speaker 1I don't know.
Speaker 2There was nothing about damage on the vehicles.
Speaker 3The only time they ever told us about a vehicle going to the park was when they obviously didn't because the kids were going down there every day and they were literally sitting there.
And as soon as they opened up the crime scene, the kids literally went down there and started to make a memorial.
So it was like they would sit down there for hours and hours and hours and then you know, someone come and someone go.
And that happened for gosh, I'm going to say like a solid week after he left.
Speaker 1You know.
Speaker 3So there was if you went to the park, there was always somebody there paying their respects or just just being there.
Speaker 2That memorial is still there to this day.
In the days after it happened, flowers were laid, some of the messages break your heart, fly high, Cane, love you forever and always Emma.
There's a plaque that says Cain Forever eighteen, A couple of empty bourbon cans, a bottle, and some empty vapes, a sort of tribute to the Cane that everyone loved, and then there's loads of photos of Cane, including one with the eski on the front cover of this podcast and a teddy Bear in a bright orange jumpsuit.
And right in the middle of that memorial are flowers and a message from Kine's.
Speaker 1Mum to my son Kane.
Speaker 2I'll love you forever.
Speaker 4You will always be with me, Love Mum.
Speaker 2We release this podcast on Cain's twenty first birthday, and at about five pm that night, I wanted to call around the family and check everyone was okay with the release and how they're all doing.
I called Kine's auntie Katie first.
Speaker 6Hello, We're actually just down at the park.
Speaker 3It's his birthday today, so we've come down to pull a few weeds and say happy birthday.
Speaker 2And yeah, who's there with you?
Speaker 3Caitlin's here, my husband's here, and Kat's partner Calvin's here.
Speaker 1How does it.
Speaker 2Feel when you're back at that part, Katie?
Like, you know, it's been three years and we've released the podcast today on the same day that we're speaking again.
How are you feeling?
Speaker 6Still very surreal?
I think.
Speaker 3You know today's been an okay day?
Is his birthday?
Birthdays are always great and fun, you know, the day where I try and be as happy as we can even though we can't be with him.
I think it's more the day that he passed.
I think that's the day that we really struggle with the most.
Well, that's the day that I struggle with the most.
Yeah, we're driving down the road actually to come here just now, and I said my husband, I said, it doesn't matter how many times you drive down here, you know.
Speaker 6It's still so surreal.
Speaker 2The memorial is still there.
Speaker 6Yeah it is.
Yeah, it's all up.
Speaker 3The original signs still up, and I've thought by now I would have had to replace it because I got that sign first actually, and we were going to use it as a funeral, but when it arrived it was so big we had to go back in and reorder a smaller sign for the funeral.
But we end up deciding to put this one down at the park.
So yeah, it's in pretty good shape, I think.
Yeah.
Speaker 2We reached out to Queensland Police before airing this podcast and posed a number of questions that we thought were in the public interests and would be vital to understand if there was any more that the family could do for clarity.
I'm going to read the questions out that we sent.
Each question references the current as findings from the initial police investigations, So that's the first voice you'll hear.
It's read by an AI generated voice.
We've changed some of the wording to de identify some people.
Speaker 7A driver reportedly seen driving around the park in a small car during the likely period later participated in a police walkthrough.
Speaker 2Was any forensic testing conducted on the underside wheels or tires of this vehicle?
If so, what testing was performed and what were the results.
Were call charge records CCRs or other mobile phone data examined to identify who was driving this vehicle that evening and in the days following Kane's death.
Speaker 7A four wheel drive driver voluntarily contacted police present at the gathering for approximately four minutes, reported seeing a person he believed was sleeping on the ground in the area later identified was this.
Speaker 2Driver asked why they were in the park for less than five minutes that evening.
Did the police conduct forensic testing of the vehicle's underside wheels or tires.
If so, what testing was performed and what did it find?
Were CCRs or other mobile phone records examined to identify who was driving this vehicle that evening and in the days following Kane's death?
Were statements taken from the passenger in the vehicle?
Were CCRs, cell site records and ping data checked for both the driver and the passenger for the relevant time and subsequent days?
Over what time frames did the driver come forward after Kane's death, i e.
The interval between the incident and the voluntary contact with police?
Did police investigate whether the vehicle's wheels ties were changed between the time of Kane's death and when the driver came forward.
Were the movements of non family associates of the driver reviewed in the days surrounding Kane's death.
Were any bank or purchase records checked to determine whether new or second hand tires were brought in and around that period?
Was the driver and all passengers ever considered a person of interest?
Now we fully understand that police can't answer some of these questions.
The reason for that is it's no longer an active investigation.
The coroner made a finding of the cause of death and police did an initial investigation into how and what that might have been.
I guess the family want to know, should it be an ongoing investigation.
Everyone says Caine was accidentally run over in that park.
That's not in dispute.
Police have checked the known cars in the park that night and no answers.
No one's come forward, and right now the time of publishing, there are no further leads to help get some answers.
But the truth is that Cain is still dead and someone ran over him, and that someone hasn't yet been identified.
On the fourth of September twenty twenty five, we received this statement from Police Acting Chief Superintendent Chris Lawson.
These are his words, but not his voice.
Speaker 8Following a thorough investigation, this matter was reported to the coroner.
The coroner's findings were finalized in November twenty twenty four.
The Queensland Police Service will not have any further involvement except at the request of the coroner or if further information comes to light.
Speaker 2Katie has been worried about the release of this podcast and it's kept her up at night.
But it's not why you think, Oh.
Speaker 3Well, I suppose like my family has got our own little belief on what we happened that night, And you know, I guess in the back of my head, you know, it's kind of like, well, what if you're wrong.
You know, what if we're completely wrong, and you know, we certainly don't want to put any family through, you know, any devastation that doesn't need to be, So we don't really want to, as they say, point the finger at somebody.
Speaker 6Because we just don't have that evidence.
Speaker 3So, you know, we just got to quietly sit here with our own little theory and there's not really much more we can do at this stage.
Speaker 2I guess what you are hoping is that someone hears this podcast and if if something accidentally did happen, and whoever that might have been, whether a stolen car or someone that hasn't been questioned yet, or something that you just don't know about, maybe just maybe this podcast will help someone.
Yeah, I think I know something.
I think I should come forward.
Speaker 3I mean, my whole family believes that the night this happened, that they knew they'd done it.
Speaker 6I think on the night because.
Speaker 3It does really explain the tracks that were left straight after where Caine was found, and I think that they left in a hurry, and I think they go to bed every night knowing this information, and I just don't think they've got the strength to do anything.
Speaker 6I think they're scared and I would be too.
Speaker 2And the bit we don't know is who that somebody is.
Speaker 6Well, that's correct, No we don't.
We don't.
Speaker 3We don't have the evidence that we need to know exactly who it is.
But it was definitely somebody that was at the park that night.
You know, when you think about it, it was whether it was a stolen car or whether it was one of the kids at the party, it was you know, it was somebody that came to the park that night.
Speaker 2Back at the park where Kane died.
His auntie Katie's there with her family making sure Kane's memorial is still being looked after.
Speaker 6Look, I've been.
Speaker 3Talking a fair bit to him today as you do.
You know, I made a Facebook post this.
Speaker 6Morning and you know, mentioned all the.
Speaker 3Things that all the things that we miss about in you know, just the you know, you're still in a mullet.
Do you still have a goofy laugh?
You know, who are you pissing off up there?
Speaker 6Nute?
You know whose car are your tinering at six am in the morning and waking all the neighbors up?
Just all the questions that you want to ask and you can't.
So it's just it's a whole.
Speaker 3Like the wonder what's he likes a man?
Speaker 6Did he end up turning into?
Speaker 3There's suposed to be real at eighteen, there's still got a lot of growing up to do.
Speaker 4It could be still solved, So that that was our hope that we held on too.
But then hearing that the case had been passed down to Brisbane, I was concerned about that because I thought that it should be here in Townsville where Kane grew up, not down in Brisbane where it's hard.
Speaker 1For all of us to try and go to it.
Speaker 4But just hearing that they think that there's no need for an inquest was the end of it for me.
That was pretty much them saying that it's going nowhere.
They had no evidence to charge anyone, so that's all they told us.
Speaker 1It's all they told us.
Speaker 2There are obviously complicated things in a police investigation.
Family wants to know every minute detail, anything that can help them with closure, but there's also simple things that most of us take for granted.
When a loved one passes.
Speaker 4Away, we wanted to know at least a date to put on his funeral brochures, because he was found on the twenty second by his sister, But we're pretty sure that he passed on the twenty first the night before, just after he wandered off around like the nine point thirty ten o'clock.
That's when they believe that he that he was run over.
But they still couldn't sort of really give us an actual was it twenty first or twenty second for the funeral, So yeah, we ended up just putting the twenty second when he was found.
It's not when he died, though.
I wanted to put the right thing down from my son's brochure for the funeral, not just a guessing game.
I'm just glad I gave him my hug and a kiss three time like I always did.
I'm just thankful I've got that big, beautiful hug frough.
Speaker 2I love you, mum.
Speaker 4I'll still hear it in my head all the time.
And I've got videos that I watch all the time, and I feel.
Speaker 1Like he's alive when I watch them.
So it's really good.
Speaker 4Yeah, I'm lucky to have them, really lucky.
Some mothers don't have any videos of the kids that have passed, and I do.
I'm so thankful for that.
Yeah, And I really love watching I love playing them for everyone.
I love talking about him.
I'll never stopped talking about him.
Our whole family, we always talk about him, and we talk about him like he's listening.
Speaker 1He's here.
Just helps me get through.
Speaker 2Next time on more to the story.
Speaker 1I guess I just.
Speaker 4Really was very, very excited about doing this podcast to get Caine's story out there, to get people talking about it more and more importantly, for him to be not forgotten.
He will never be forgotten.
Someone out there knows something.
Somebody knows something.
They need to come forward to.
Speaker 1Do the right thing.
Speaker 3You know, I know that you're probably struggling with what you've done, because I know that I would be struggling if I had done something like that.
Just do the right thing and just come forward.
Let us all have closure.
Have you turned to tell your side of the story?
Speaker 6Story stories, story stories.
Speaker 1If he was here, I think that I do probably tell him a little bit more that I love him.
I just would have liked a little bit more time with him.
I really think that he would have turned out to be a really amazing young man and he didn't deserve to die like this.