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Four Minutes in the Park

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Approchae production.

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This is more to the story the podcast about the death of eighteen year old Kine Moore in Townsville in twenty twenty three.

If the subject of the podcast raises concerns for you or your family, contact Lifeline.

On thirteen eleven, fourteen, Caine was found dead by his sister in a park just near his family home in April twenty twenty three.

The night before, he was having a get together in that park with mates.

We first spoke to Sarah Jane, Kane's mum, back in September of twenty twenty four.

At the time, everyone was keen to get this podcast underway, and it also followed the police investigation had stalled and the coroner wasn't going to open up a formal inquest.

I guess that's why the family reached out to us in the first place.

They would for answers.

Just over a year before we first met Sarah Jane, hundreds of people turned up for Cain's funeral.

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On the twenty second of September two thousand and four, Gary and Sarah welcome their second baby boy into this world, Cain Ryan Moore, weighing a solid nine pounds seven ounces He was a true redhair, including red eyelashes and eyebrows, and this completed their family of four.

In twenty twenty, Cain was given an eight month old German shepherd named Poppy.

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He idolized Poppy and they spent a lot of time together.

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Poppy was often found in his bedroom asleep on the bed with him.

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Poppy has always held a special place.

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In Cain's heart and Poppy felt the same.

To this day, Poppy still goes.

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Into his room looking for him.

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As a final tribute, and in closing this service today, let's take this time to enjoy the final song as a tribute from his mum to her beloved son, Angels Brought Me here by Sarah Jane Moore.

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It's been a long and wine in journey, but in finally and nice speaking out to.

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Pieces and walking back into.

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A line into the sunset up your glass.

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That soulful voice you hear is Kane's mom, Sarah Jane.

You heard her in episode two.

You can tell that she's a singer and is now after eight years, back gigging around Townsville.

When we spoke a few weeks back, she told me she did it for Kane's memory.

And his memories are all she has now.

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He was a good baby.

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He just liked to be picked up all the time, a little bit win, you know, didn't like to be put down on the map in the laundering to play with these toys.

He wanted to be carried around by mum while she was trying.

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To do the housework.

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But no, he was good.

He was a good baby.

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And he was really full on, like into cupboards, you know.

He loved playing with vacuum cleaners.

You know, he would go anywhere and if my friend had a vacuum cleaner while he would be on it trying to pull it apart, and you know, doing all of that for hours.

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So that occupied him.

So I was happy.

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He was a real outdoors kid.

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He loved being down the river.

We're lucky enough for them to grow up here on the Alis River and he just yeah, he had a little pe eighty and he just loved his motorbike.

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He was always riding it.

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Even when he become way too big for it, he was still riding it.

Well.

He could yodle from a young age, from a little baby, he was making yodling noises.

Because while I grew up in the country, music circuit.

So I've got a few yodling tracks on my album and he was just yeah, copying me.

And I could hear from a young age that he had a natural talent.

He had a voice, his pitch was beautiful, and he never really sung much.

He was always too shy.

But I did get him to compete in the Chartershouse Country Music Festival when he was about four or five, and he won the anything Go section first prize that was four hundred dollars cash and a trophy, and he quickly spent that money on a trike for the yard with a little trailer that followed behind.

So he was staked about that.

Ed Sheeran's song came out just after Cane Past Life Goes On, and the words to that are just unbelievable.

It's just like it's about him, And yeah, there's a few others that are really special.

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Sarah Jane found some old videos of Caine that she shot on her phone.

He's singing in his bedroom.

She shared them with us, and you could tell that he loved his country music, but he also was a big fan of rap, particular eminem when he was about swelve or thirteen.

In this video, you can hear Sarah Jane behind the camera with Mikayla, Kane's sister, and Kane's a bit shy making sure Mom's not going to post this on Facebook.

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Looked a turn around.

No, I'm not.

It's sunny for me.

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Last It's these types of memories that are special for Sarah Jane and Kane's family.

They live forever now on an unlisted YouTube channel.

There's other video memories that were also shared with Sarah Jane after Kane died.

Everyone said that Kin seemed happy and in his element that night at the park.

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And I've got a video of that night down at the park and he was dancing around and happy as and a lot of my friends say, see, Sarah, he was really happy just before he passed.

That's good, you know, And it is.

It is great.

It's hard to watch the video, but it's good seeing him happy and knowing that, you know, right up until he died, that he was happy.

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Yeah, it was just.

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An absolute freak accident.

What's happened.

Nothing like that happens out here.

And we know that no one's deliberately come to the park that night to do to do what they did, but just the fact that they didn't stop it just haunts me.

And you know, we want to spread his ashes, but I want.

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A little bit of closure first.

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So I've sort of been holding back on that too, and it's hard, it's hard.

It just it really devastated me that he never got to leave home and get married, have children as a mother.

That was the first things that were going through my head.

Even though it's much more than that.

That he's past and that's devastating enough, but just that he never got to get married, have children, well, I he was robbed of his adulthood.

Yeah, it tears me apart.

And the day of his funeral was so hard, just having to seize coffin and walk behind.

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It just killed me.

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He killed me.

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Now, I'm definitely not the same person anymore, but I never will be.

I I put on a front and I I I I keep myself together, but I'm I'm dying inside.

Yeah.

I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy ever.

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Yeah, definitely wouldn't.

Definitely wouldn't.

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But I've got my daughter to.

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Live for, and that's why I'm here still, and she keeps me going, and our whole family is closer than ever.

We were very close before, but we're even placer now, much closer, and my daughter is all I've got, and I'm waiting for grandchildren.

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I'm very excited about that.

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So far, you've heard what happened on that night from Caine's sister, Mikhayla, who wasn't at the park because she had a friend's birthday party.

Kine's cousin Caitlin and her friend Katie were there, and they told us in an earlier episode they left for a while to get some fast food, but came back to the park.

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I bought the Hungry Jacks with my card and made just my apple pail on my phone, and we took a photo in the bathroom that night, and it says we were there at eight forty five, so that means we were probably would have gotten back to the park at probably nine thirty.

It's about fifteen minute drive from Willow's to here.

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This next part is important for the timeline of when Cain was.

There are no witnesses that have come forward to say they saw what happened.

All the people in the park that night have been questioned by police.

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Some cars were seized.

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There was no evidence to connect any of the cars in the park that night with the same wheelmarks on Caine's head.

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Actually, yeah, it would have been, because if we got back to the park at nine point thirty, I had a conversation with Cain that could have gone up around fifteen minutes, to be honest, like just before, because I didn't see I didn't even know that Joshua had come that night until the police had told me, and they asks if I had physically seen him to put in my statement, and I said no.

So I would have had my conversation with Cain about telling him how much I love him, and then I would have started to feel sick go and land the car, and then that's when Joshua would have rocked up and done his business.

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Joshua is not this boy's real name.

We've deidentified him as he's not a suspect in Caine's death, and no one is alleging anything, but we feel it's important to talk about what Joshua was doing in that park that night and how long he was there for.

The police report says that Joshua was only in the park for less than five minutes.

He wasn't alone in the car, but he was driving.

He came forward to police and volunteered the information.

He was driving a four wheel drive.

This is an excerpt for the corner's finding.

This is their words, but not their voice.

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The driver had volunteered information to the police as he had been at the party for a short period around four minutes.

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He advised he had driven.

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Through the area where Cain was later found and on leaving the parks or a person he believed was sleeping on the ground in that area.

This was corroborated by another witness and through a police walk through.

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If you haven't yet realized what happened to Caine that night, police and the coroners say that after they investigated his death, they found that Cain died as a result of a person or person's accidentally driving over his head while Cain was lying down in the park.

Police actually initially identified two cars in the park that night.

They got this from CCTV footage which likely came from the fire station that we spotted as we drove into the park.

There were also numerous witnesses that were questioned by police and a few that volunteered information.

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They have a bunch of cars that I had to identify that they had to show me photos of each car, and I had to identify on whose car belonged to who.

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The first car that was spotted in the park driving near the area where Caine was wasn't the full whell drive, It was a much smaller car.

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Witnesses had seen a female drive around the park during the period in which Cain was likely to have been run over.

She hid a walk through of the park with police, but failed to identify the area where Cane had been seen.

A witness, though, had identified the female driver driving in the relevant area.

Both identified vehicles have been excluded by police as the possible offending vehicle, as neither had the correct wheel span or tire impression found prior to and directly after where Cain had been located.

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The police actually did her tests the next day and they said it was a very very dark knight even on that night, so they said it would have been pretty much, really really hard to even see with prone torches.

They said themselves that they had strong lights and it was still quite a dark night.

I woke up, Mum come woke me up, and Tommy that Caine had passed away.

I basically got pushed out onto the randa.

I got separated, talked to and I didn't even get to have a shower or anything.

I had to go straight to the police station and I sat there for eight hours.

I hadn't didn't even really get time to talk to my family or anything or have any you know.

I sat there for eight hours.

And after the eight hours, I had basically said, you need to give me my phone back.

I really want to go to my family.

I'm sitting here all alone.

I have I have my friends with me, but I just really near my family at this time, and I have no one here with me, and I feel alone and I want to go.

And then they are about an hour after I said that.

That's when they let me go and let me that her mum drove us me home.

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There's a couple of things that came up for me while we're listening to Caitlin's story about her police interview when she was only sixteen.

In the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act of two thousand, zero point four to twenty one states that the officer must not question the child unless a support person is present while the child is being questioned.

The rest of the Act says, in plain English, before questioning police must we're practical let the child speak privately to a support person the child chooses.

Police can exclude support persons who unreason interfere with their questioning.

In Queensland, the no questioning a child unless the support persons president rule has been on the books for over twenty five years.

We've reached out to Queensland Police to ask in this case why this protocol wasn't followed.

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As yet, we've yet to hear back.

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Kayla, Caitlyn's friend who was in the park that night, was also sixteen and was questioned by police.

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She had her mum there, but her mum met us at the police station.

Yeah, they just basically just took us straight away.

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Would you have preferred your mum was there while you were being questioned by police?

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I'm like, I can imagine it would have been pretty scary.

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It would have helped me a lot better, to be honest.

But it's not her fault.

It's you know, it was a very bad situation.

I needed to put some big girl pants on.

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And did you feel like they thought you knew something?

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Their words to me was that everyone was a suspect.

No one was cleared.

Everyone in the situation was a suspect, even MICHAELA and Mum, all of us.

Yeah, they said that to me.

They said that everyone's a suspect, no one, No one was clear.

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Kayla, Caitlyn's friend who was in the park that night, was also sixteen and was questioned by police.

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They took me Caitlyn both straight from here to the police station, and I called my mom while I texted her when I was on the way there, saying they're taking me and Caitlyn into to do our statements.

And she met us there and they downloaded both of our phones and they kept Yeah, statements went for about two hours, probably more.

Then they just kind of left us sitting there for a while.

After the statements were done, they took our phones and made us sit there, didn't really do anything else.

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These two girls were extremely young to go through a tragedy like this, a tragedy no one should have had to endure.

I wanted to know if it's changed the way they feel about their future.

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Oh, it's just made me realize that nothing is promised, and that you can never really trust anywhere or anything.

You can never fully believe somewhere safe and that you're comfortable somewhere because you're not.

There's always something that could happen.

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I always seen people lose family members, and I just always had thought that my family would just never happen to me that, you know.

I always see like people lost grandparents and anything.

Obviously you lose family members like of old age.

But I just never thought that losing Caine at such a young age was a possibility.

And it it.

I don't know, it just it impacted me a lot.

It also didn't feel real for ages.

I remember the day after that night after it happened and everyone had left and everyone was in bed, I just felt so lonely.

Me and Kin were like night hours.

We'd stay up every night together.

I remember here he used to come into my room knocking on my door for a vape at ten o'clock at night, just because he didn't have any and it just I laid on the couch and I just kind of looked out the window and I just kind of hoped he was going to come home.

But he never did, and that's when it kind of hit me that he was gone.

It just felt like a very like unreal thing that would never happen to me or to my family.

I don't want the person to suffer because everybody makes mistakes, but they made a pretty bad mistake.

You know, it would be completely different if they had come forward the day that they done it, or they stayed with Candida least tried, but they didn't.

So I don't think they deserve to walk away in freedom because they've taken a life.

In that life, that person doesn't get to walk around this earth like they do, so I don't think they should be allowed to walk around freely.

I think they need some discipline.

I think accountability for their actions.

Everybody makes mistakes, but their basic, biggest mistake was driving away.

And I really hope this podcast helps that person realize, or helps anybody else that knows anything realize that what has happened was wrong that and it's still hurting us.

And the only way it's going to fix it if we get justice and we know truly what and who has done this to Kane.

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People ask me, you know, when you find out, do you think you're going to feel any different or get closer.

It's hard to end that one because I want answers and I do believe that it would help me heal just a little bit, but really nothing's going to bring him back, but it'd still just been nice for a bit of justice for him, Yeah, a bit of.

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Justice for Caine.

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On the morning Caine was found, Sarah Jane was around twenty five minutes away from the park and where Caine lived.

She was told by her sister's husband that Cain had been found and that twenty five minute journey would have been the worst.

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Yeah.

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I was, yeah, pretty much put a dress on and came straight out to Rupert's Wood to here Cain's family home, where Mikayla and my sister were waiting for me.

And I wanted to go into the park, but they wouldn't let me.

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Because they had it all blocked often.

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And they just had him on the ground with a blanket over it.

But I didn't eve and get to go anywhere near the park, so I just came here and waited for my husband to arrive Gary, and I just was dreaded seeing him walk through the door and the whole three of us were just hugging me crying.

But ages just hearing my husband's cry.

God still haunts me.

I hear it in my head and I just start crying all the time because I know that he's the only other one that knows how I'm feeling, you know, and out of everyone, he's the other parrot.

So yeah, it's really hard.

It just plays over and over in my mind Gary walking through the door and just crying out loud because it's not something he does.

It feels something's dying inside me.

I feel like I'm never going to be the same again.

And I know that I'll learned to move on, and I know there's going to be other chapters and things to look forward to, as I said, grandchildren one day, but I just right now, I feel like, yeah, I'm.

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Just so sad, so gutted.

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Not if I could, I if I could bring him back to life.

I know I can't, but if I could, and me go in his place, I would do it like that only for my children, but I would do it in a heartbeat to bring him back because he hasn't lived his life.

He hasn't, you know I have.

I've been lucky in my forties, you know.

If I could swap places with him, which I know is not possible, but that's what I thought a lot when he died.

When he passed, it's all I could think about a lot.

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I just couldn't leave it.

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I just kept thinking that I was going to wake up from this bad dream soon.

But yeah, each day I.

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Was wrong.

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Yeah, I'm not going to wake up from this.

It's real.

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It's real.

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Next time on more to the story.

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So, I was thinking that he'd been king hit by someone.

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That's that's what I thought.

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I remember when we heard that he'd been run over by a car, we all just yelled out.

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We just couldn't believe it.

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Because I just I go over and over in my head, the car going over him, and it's it's it's horrible.

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It's horrible.

I have to try and.

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Get past that and and not think about that, but it's really hard.

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Yeah,

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