Meredith Oke: Amber Hargroder, welcome back to the QVC podcast.

I'm laughing already because every time I have you on, I'm just laughing the whole time.

So I'll take a deep breath.

Welcome.

It's really good to see you again.

Amber Hargroeder: Great to be back.

I'll try to keep the laughter to a minimum.

No problem.

Meredith Oke: I don't.

I don't know what it is with our chemistry, but it's.

It's just hilarious all the time.

So.

Okay, so the first time we spoke, we talked about the bees.

Amber Hargroeder: Yes.

Meredith Oke: Which was amazing.

So if anyone hasn't listened to that episode, it's in the.

It's in the podcast guide.

It's.

Go back a couple of years, you'll find.

Find it.

We talked about quantum herbology, and now you have taken a sabbatical and you've come back with a whole new approach that combines all of these things, but is in a completely different realm, which is burnout.

So tell us, like, tell us how you landed here.

Amber Hargroeder: Well, I've been burned out in just about every way a person could be.

So very competitive, ambitious, individual.

I mean, all during high school, I was competing on the national show circuit for show jumping.

I was, like, determined that I was going to be like National Velvet or not National.

International Velvet, like, go to the Olympics.

If anyone knows that film with.

I can't even think of her name right now.

But, yeah, great film.

I was obsessed with horses.

I worked constantly.

I trained horses, all this stuff.

I go to college, my horse gets injured, I get even more intense.

And like, marathons, triathlons, I'm taking 21 hours a semester.

I'm a dual major.

I do everything that you can think of.

And I end up moving to Copenhagen, and I crashed.

I was in two different programs, and there was an architecture teacher who was teaching yoga Nidra.

And that was the first introduction I got into.

Like, when you're burned out, this is what you do, is you need to rest.

And apparently it's funny how that's news.

Meredith Oke: To some of us.

Amber Hargroeder: Like, yeah, I'm like 20, 21 doing yoga nidra, all of a sudden.

And, you know, it's like a long path where, you know, if you're a very Dr.

And you have a ton of energy and you don't know where to put it, and you don't have enough focus, you can burn yourself out very easily.

And so, you know, the journey started with kind of doing yoga Nidra.

And then it got into, you know, herbalism, quantum, all these different things.

And I realized when I was taking time off.

I was like, you know, all the things that I've studied and learned about health, it was because I was burned out.

And if you go back to the B conversation, you know, I got into bees because I was dealing with grief after my boyfriend had passed away.

So that's a whole different type of burnout because I feel that from my personal experience and everyone dealing with grief has their own personal experience with it.

You kind of lose half of your sense of self, especially if it's someone that you were very close with, like someone that you were romantically involved with and it's a traumatic experience.

It's like all of the inside jokes are gone.

All the stories you told yourself about who you are and what you were going to do and what your future looked like is gone.

It's like it's.

You've lost a person, but you've also lost a big chunk of yourself.

And so you kind of have to reweave yourself.

And when you're burned out, you've also kind of lost a sense of self and you need to reweave it in some way.

And I think the problem with a lot of people is that we don't know what we need to be weaving with.

We don't, we've lost the threads, we don't know.

And for me, every instance that I had where I was burned out, I'm like, what do I do now?

Like, who am I?

What, what am I doing?

You know, you, you get swept up, especially if you're driven.

You get swept up in the momentum of something and you end up in different environments with different people and you're like, is this who I am?

Is this who I'm meant to be?

Is this right?

And your intuition's not really working all that well because you don't trust it anymore, because you don't trust yourself.

Because there's a big part of you that's missing.

And that was a big revelation for me in this last time that I was burned out.

So, you know, in addition to having a practice and having clients and teaching herbalism and speaking at events, I also was a full time business consultant.

So I'm commuting from Louisiana to Minnesota.

I'm going all over the country.

I'm, you know, going into the most dysfunctional work environments possible, possible.

And you see people who are self medicating with alcohol, with drugs, with nicotine, with coffee.

You're drinking 20 cups of coffee a day.

And there's a mentality, especially in the startup world, that you have to literally kill yourself for the purpose of the company or the startup.

Like, you know, it's burn the candle at both ends.

Just get it done.

Knock it out.

And that's a.

That's a mentality that really destroys the human spirit in a lot of ways.

And so I'm coming out of these types of environments, and I'm sitting down with myself, and I'm like, there's got to be a better way to do this.

Like, at no point when I was burned out did I think, I need to go see a therapist or I need to go get on an ssri.

It was.

It was more just like, you know, I'm just so tired.

And I think that's.

That was just the phrase I kept saying.

Like, I know my mother would be like, what do you have to be tired about?

She's like, you're too young to be tired.

I'm like, I'm just so tired.

And when I.

I had company in Chicago, I had a friend who was like, you realize you talk about death a lot, and this was like 15 years ago or something, But I was like, oh, my God, I do.

And it's like, because you're so desperate for something, it's kind of seeping out in your language and in your habits where you're like, something needs to change, but you can't quite put your finger on it.

And so what we basically created is a way to put a finger on it and be like, this is it.

This is what you need to change.

This is what the problem is.

And to kind of turn down all the noise and give you a clear signal as to this is the direction to go.

This is who you are.

This is what you should be doing.

And with that comes a lot of measuring, invisible things.

And, you know, I never really thought, you know, as an intuitive person, you kind of feel the invisible, like your structured waters, like sending signals.

And you're like, I don't know if I'm picking up on this code, but you kind of sense it.

Like, I remember I went into this one company and the first All Hands meeting, I was like, oh, my God, this is a cult.

I have to get the hell out of here.

Like, this is bad.

And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait.

Just calm down.

I don't know that yet.

Maybe my intuition's wrong.

You know, you start justifying it.

You're like, no, it's a good paycheck.

Like, I'm a stage day here.

It's going to be okay.

I can fix it.

And once you get this type of report, you realize, whoa, no, this cannot be fixed.

I got to get out of here, or it's going to destroy me.

And I think that's kind of the big realization with burnout, is that nine times out of 10, it might not be a mental health issue.

It's an environmental one.

And quantum world, we deal with invisible things in our environment a lot.

We study on EMFs.

What water are you drinking?

Grounding.

Like, you can't really see the effects of grounding, I mean, unless you go get, like, the stuff scans or something.

But we're working with invisible metrics.

And so I now have another way to measure the invisible that is kind of like measuring what your water already knows.

And we're validating your.

Into your intuition.

And I think that's a really cool thing.

Meredith Oke: That is really cool.

And when you say validating what your water already knows, you mean our.

Our structured water in our bodies, right?

Amber Hargroeder: So, I mean, if our water.

We're always talking about how our structured water in our body is our cellular water is constantly paying attention.

It's constantly measuring our environment, our reactions.

Every time you talk to an individual, you know, like, you and I have this giggly chemistry, like, every person that you interact with, it's like a chemical equation, and we're trying to balance it subconsciously.

And your water is picking up on signals that are maybe like, oh, is this right?

Like, our intuition, at its most basic definition, is the recognition of patterns.

And when we look at the work with, you know, Veda Austin or Emoto or whatever, all this crystallized structure and water is a pattern.

And so if your intuition lives in that structured water and your mitochondria are picking up on all these things, and they're like, what's going on?

Like, there's also things about the people that you're interacting with that, you know, there's that quote, like, human beings are, like, the only people that'll, like, go into danger because they want to be nice.

Like, serial killers say, like, well, you know, the women were easy targets because they didn't want to be rude.

Like, but, you know, your intuition is like, this is dangerous.

And you're like, no.

Your brain is like, no, it's fine.

Just go.

You're being ridiculous.

And so I wanted a way to measure.

Am I being ridiculous?

Is it me?

You know, am I crazy?

And it turns out most of the time, you're not crazy.

You're just in a bad environment, and it's just as bad and detrimental for your health as EMFs or bad lighting.

It's just as bad for your m.

To constantly be walking on eggshells or, like, scanning the room for any shifts or changes.

Like, don't call on me.

Don't pick on me.

Like, oh, my God.

You know, like, that's very bad for your health.

And you get this tension where you're just like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

Like, and if you get used to that tension long enough, you break down.

So that's.

That's a long story.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

No, and I.

This is so fascinating because it.

It's like the approach.

The approach to burnout, you know, is a similar approach to any health issue from a quantum biologic standpoint, which is.

Which is like, what is the environment you're putting yourself in?

What is the environment you're putting your biology in?

Whereas the more traditional approach is like, what are you putting in your body?

Are you eating?

What do you.

We'll put supplements.

We'll put food in there, which is a path, but you also need the path of what is surrounding you.

What are you interacting with?

And so you're now expanding that into the burnout.

The burnout, I would say, epidemic.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah.

So what's this for the fans of bees?

Let's.

Let's make a little parallel for a second to understand this burnout epidemic.

So between June 2024 and early of this year, or early 2025, it was estimated that 62% of all commercial beehives collapsed.

It was the worst, like, collapse die off.

On record, something like 1.6 million hives.

Now, these are commercial hives, so everyone's like, oh, no, the honey business.

I'm like, okay, well, you also killed millions of bees, and some people are saying that number could be even as high as 75% of those hives died.

And I'm thinking about this, and I'm like, okay, well, I know that the commercial hives are weaker for many reasons that we've discussed in our previous podcast.

But what's kind of crazy is at the same time all these bees are dying, we also have anywhere between, like, 60 to 80% of working professionals are completely burned out.

Or if they don't want to admit to burnout, it's like, I have some symptoms of burnout.

Yeah.

So you've got these two things that are collapsing.

You've got young people entering the workforce who are completely zapped already, and you've got all these bees dying.

And it's kind of like, okay, well, what's the.

What's the commonality Here.

Meredith Oke: So what is the commonality here?

I love talking to you.

We're very excited to hear it.

Amber Hargroeder: What's the pattern?

What's the pattern between burned out office.

Meredith Oke: Workers and dead bees?

Amber Hargroeder: I mean, I know you're gonna tell us.

Meredith Oke: So I, like, I have, I'm not, I'm not mocking you.

I'm.

I know I am like, so ready to hear this.

Okay.

Amber Hargroeder: Okay.

So number one, most bees and commercial hives are not allowed to build out or draw down their own comb.

They are not allowed to build honeycomb.

It's on plastic sheets.

The honeycomb dimensions are already like the requirements.

Like the industry standard is already there because commercial.

Meredith Oke: Oh my God.

So they inform.

They impose an industry standard on.

Right on nature.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah.

Don't want male bees.

They don't want drones because they look at them as just honey eaters and so they don't want them.

The drones are basically the sensory organ of the hive.

They remind the bees of who they are, what their environment is.

They're the all the different senses for them to understand what's happening in their environment and who they are.

Meredith Oke: So the connections are now so clear, even five seconds in.

Okay, I see it, I see it.

Amber Hargroeder: So it's all about conformity.

A drone cell is a different size and shape to a worker bee cell or a maiden cell female bee.

And so they don't even want you to build out those cells.

They're like, no, no.

You can only make female bees for harvesting and keeping honey.

So that's the first thing that's a parallel.

Because a lot of young people, or.

Well, first off, a lot of young people are lost.

And that's a problem with our education system.

And that's a conformity issue.

And that's not every school.

But if we look at the history of public education over the past 200 years, it's like we trained people to be indus.

Excuse me, factory workers.

So raise your hand.

Don't think outside the box.

Don't be creative.

Do the multiple choice test, which is the test for the lower orders, for lower order thinking.

We're not inviting people to be creative.

And as we enter this technological age with all of its uncertainty and questions, the people who will thrive are the creative ones.

But we've taken away the creative impulse.

So you've got all these people who are completely void of creativity, which creativity is.

I mean, it's everything.

I mean, it's a sexual energy.

It's a productive energy.

It's.

It's something that it's generating the new and Right now, there's a lot of people in the tech space who are complaining that there's no innovation, there's just sustaining innovation.

It's just like, oh, you know, we'll just change.

Like, look at Apple.

We'll just change this one little thing.

We'll take away one more port.

It's innovation.

Like, no, no, no.

Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs at all.

So that's an example.

We're not allowing people to build things.

We're just putting them in little pods and we're like, just do what we told you to do, which is what the education system has trained them for.

If you look at the parallels between what a public school looks like and a prison looks like, and then you look at a corporate office, it's like the same thing.

And so you've got these people who are actively protecting this status quo.

And that's not even to mention that bees in the wild prefer circular shapes.

They live in trees.

They don't live in boxes.

There is no straight line in nature, and there's certainly no straight line in a beacon.

And they like to build in curves for ventilation.

If you look at natural comb, it's usually very.

It has curvatures to it.

It's got.

They're very creative all on their own.

They build to fill the space.

They build for what suits them.

But they cannot do that in a commercial hive.

So they're.

They're already kind of like zombie bees to begin with.

They don't remember what it is to be a bee.

They're just living in these little boxes and rectangles on comb that has been predetermined with wax, that is usually full of chemicals and pesticides, or it's plastic, which that's a petroleum product.

Like, that is not something that bees would encounter on their own.

So that's the first problem.

This is why humans are being humans and bees are burned out.

Okay, that's number one.

We've already talked about killing the drone, the drones.

But what that basically tells humans is don't trust your intuition, don't trust your personal experiences.

Jacqueline Freeman, in her book the Song of Increase, which I'm a huge fan of, we've talked about it previously, she talks about how the drones, like, sing to the baby bees, like the larva and the pips, and I hope I don't call the dog, that's her name thing sings to the baby bees to tell them the story of what it means to be a bee.

Does anyone remember a story of what it means to be human?

Were you told that story growing up.

I mean, it just kind of like everybody's so negative.

Like, to be human is hard.

And it's like, no, to be human is to be creative.

I mean, the example I often give, which probably isn't a fair example, but it's like Mozart was extremely creative, but so is the prisoner who makes a shiv.

Or hooch is very creative.

Crazy ends of the spectrum, but you've got this creative impulse that is an innately human thing, and that's being squashed.

So we're killing the drones, and we're killing our creative sensory, like, pleasure organs to some degree.

Like, I mean, there's great pride to be taken in making something with your hands or making art, just to make art.

Not because it's got to make a profit or, you know, funnel money for the CIA.

You can just make art, you know.

So, number two, number three.

And this is the most.

I want to use the word egregious, but I hate that word.

But it just feels that way.

In commercial beekeeping, they constantly kill the queen.

They are of the opinion that you have to have a new queen bee every year.

So they kill her.

And the queens of the hive is not.

We've talked about it again previously, but it's not a monarch.

She is the mother of the entire hive.

She gives birth to 2,000 eggs a day.

Like, she determines what DNA they get.

I mean, if it's her DNA, she's making male bees, which are drones, and that continues her lineage.

Kind of like mitochondria come from the mother.

It's continuing the lineage of the mother when she breeds, like the one time she breeds, she stockpiles all of this male DNA, and that goes into the female bees.

And that's.

It's really only use.

And those bees don't breed.

But a queen bee can live for years, a healthy queen.

I mean, she's very productive for years at a time.

And in commercial beekeeping, they actively murder her every year.

And so what they do is they buy a replacement bee, which is a temporary bee.

So let's say.

And I have a personal story about queens that we'll get into in a minute, but say that you've accidentally squashed your queen.

This did not happen to me, thank God.

But let's say you did.

Okay?

Meredith Oke: So you have a beehive and you accidentally squish your queen or your queen.

Amber Hargroeder: Dies for whatever reason.

Meredith Oke: Okay?

Amber Hargroeder: Great mystery of how that happened.

Let's just say that she is now deceased.

Okay?

You're gonna have chaos.

In the hive.

So if I'm in that position and I'm like, I need a queen stat, there are two things I can do.

I can order a temporary queen to put into the hive to.

To, like, calm them down, and hopefully they accept her.

Or I can wait to see if they build their own temporary queen.

A healthy hive will do this.

They will have a female bee who's not built for reproduction, kind of become able to reproduce enough until they have their bearings to have a real queen.

So they kind of like, have this patchwork mechanism that they can put into play if they really need a queen and they don't have one.

Well, the temporary queen is not meant to be the long reigning queen.

Okay?

Like, she's not gonna go the distance.

She's just kind of the emergency, like the band aid that you have for the hive.

So the hive, the colony continues to live.

It's.

It's more just like, this is our.

In a pinch, we're doing this, it's a substitution.

You know, you want the real deal.

When you're constantly killing your queen for a commercial hive and you're constantly purchasing queens, you're only buying temporary queens.

They are breeding temporary patches.

They're not buying the good ones.

It's not a real queen.

It's just kind of like, I don't know, the rebound.

Meredith Oke: The stepmother.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah.

It's not.

It's not what you think it is.

They're not the same things.

It's kind of like a GMO versus an heirloom.

They're two totally different things.

And in commercial beekeeping, they just assume or they're taught.

I mean, a lot of people want to save the bees, so they start beekeeping.

And I'm not, like, you know, trying to be mean about that.

They're trained that this is normal, that you need to kill your queen.

And to me, it's like, I would never do that.

Like, that would be horrible.

Like, I can't.

I can't even.

Well, I can't kill anything.

But, like, I almost got bitten by a water moccasin, and I wouldn't let my husband kill it.

I was like, no.

So I was like, it deserves to live.

So me killing queens would be horrible.

But anyway, in commercial beekeeping, they do that.

And in our current society, if you look at what the ancients or even old practices like Chinese medicine think about the heart.

Like, your soul lives in your heart.

Your wisdom lives in your heart.

We're crushing that.

In our current.

In our society, the way that the systems are built we're crushing that queen energy within ourselves.

And so we're going for like, quick dopamine hits or like quick bursts of happiness.

It's like a sugar high.

But we're not actually finding our true purpose and we're not finding that, that wholeness within ourselves that the queen brings to the hive.

We have effectively crushed it.

And it, in a lot of cases, it gets crushed at a very young age.

It's like, you know, I mean, my, my family kind of tried to crush it.

They were like, stop being weird.

I'm like, you know what?

I'm going to be weird even more.

But, you know, a lot of people, they just aren't given a chance.

They, they.

It's.

It's very difficult in our society because anybody who's weird is seen as a threat to the status quo to some degree.

Maybe it's just at a micro level.

And so we're like, no, no, just be this temporary thing and just follow trends instead of being like, whole within yourself and feeling this flow of a higher awareness of self within, within.

And that causes a lot of chaos.

If you kill the queen, a hive goes into chaos.

They don't have anything grounding them or centering them.

I mean, everything in the hive is based on scent of the queen.

They all know where she is at any given point in time.

And, like, they feel the vibration of her existence on the comb.

I mean, the comb is like their fascia.

So it's kind of like they know what's going on.

It's a major communication medium.

When they don't have that heart energy in the hive, it's just like they get violent, they get chaotic.

The sound in the hive gets very high pitched.

They mourn her.

And so it's kind of like the idea that that's not a necessary part of a beehive or a person is something that drives a lot of misery and collapse because you don't have that connection to self.

You don't have that higher energy, like keeping you together and keeping you in harmony, harmony within the self.

So that's another example then.

In commercial beekeeping, it's a lot of chemical use, unnatural materials we've talked about already, the rectangles and the plastic and all that.

But they use a lot of chemicals to treat the hives because there's mites or, you know, in the south, we have hive beetles, which, I don't know, we're not going to get into hive beetles, but they are the devil.

But, but yeah, you've got all of these Chemicals that we're using.

And kind of like what I mentioned in the startup world or in a lot of companies, it's like, do whatever you need to do to your physical structure to get through, get it done.

Meredith Oke: To keep going, to push through.

Hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle.

Amber Hargroeder: And that's not including the, the lighting environment, the EMFs.

You're bathed in the terrible food they feed you.

A lot of corporations, they're like, oh, you're burned out, here's some donuts, here's some fast food, here's some domino's pizza.

I'm like, really?

Like, I don't think this is gonna help.

Can I have a vegetable?

But so that's the other thing.

And then commercial hives are constantly moving.

So you know, with all of this colony collapse, if you've got a toddler right now, I really feel for you because this is going to affect the prices of your raspberries.

But they're constantly moving these hives to pollinate monoculture crops or monocrops.

So the bees are only eating almonds every day for weeks on end.

Or they're only eating, you know, pollen from berries for months at a time.

Meredith Oke: Where a hive in nature, they would fly around to all different.

Amber Hargroeder: Right.

Meredith Oke: There's a lot of access to a variety of.

Amber Hargroeder: Right.

Bees are flowers.

Bees are like the original herbalists.

Like they know how to heal themselves, but if you keep moving them, they have no map of the landscape.

And let's go back to the fact that bees in nature live in hollowed out tree trunks.

They don't like to be near the ground.

They like to be in one insulated roundish shape.

They, they're tree creatures.

They're not earth creatures, very much earth and sun, or excuse me, air and sun is more their energetics.

But in, in our situation, we have these dysfunctional work environments.

It's the equivalent of moving hives around the country to, you know, populate, to pollinate a single crop.

So we've got these dysfunctional environments and it's making people like hate business in general.

It's making people anti capitalist.

And there's a whole, you know, there's a lot of things we could break down about that.

But a lot of people who are practicing practitioners, whether you're an herbalist, a health coach, whatever, that is inherently capitalistic because you're not doing it for free more often than not.

But when it, when we get into these dysfunctional environments, we think it's having a business that is inherently the problem.

It's not Having a business, it's having a dysfunctional business that makes you miserable and is the problem.

It's corruption.

It's, you know, different types of personalities.

I mean, surprisingly, not a lot of CEOs are narcissistic, but we do have a lot of like, dictator type CEOs like, or people in companies that make you miserable.

You've got obstructionists, you might have a good idea, and they just say no to everything.

Like these little things in micro doses.

You know, in quantum, we talk about like a micro dose can make a world of difference for your health.

Like, not microdosing psilocybin, microdosing nature can make a big difference.

Like changing your light bulbs, turning your WI fi off at night.

Like these little changes going out to get morning light, they make a huge difference in your quality of life and your health.

But on the flip side, that's also true for negativity.

If you've got a lot of micro doses of nonsense in your working environment, that takes a significant toll on your health.

So all of these things kind of come together where, you know, if, if we want to go back to that metaphor of every cell is a beehive and every mitochondria is a bee.

You are an ecosystem of hives.

You are a great hive.

And we can take that all the way up to, you know, the, the entire world is a hive.

You can take that all the way up and the vibration is off.

And so real, real quick, the story I'm going to tell you about my queen situation.

So again, bees do not like to follow directions.

They will do what they want.

And I am a bee centric beekeeper.

So I let my bees draw down their own comb.

I'm not in it for honey production, although I do buy honey from other beekeepers.

But, you know, I'm more just, I'm studying bees, I'm working with bees.

Like, I have a relationship with my bees that's more important to me than a business in this, you know, situation.

But I wasn't able to go check on my bees for a while because it was raining every day in Louisiana.

It just rains all the time because it gets very hot, the humidity gets really dense, and then it breaks with a storm.

And it just like, I can't open the hive when it's over 80 to 84 degrees.

That's a problem, you know, living in like this hot climate.

And then if it's raining, I'm certainly not going to open it.

Well, my bees built comb and they joined two bars together.

They merged Something together, and they merged it at the bottom, not at the top.

So when I went to pull the bars apart, I didn't realize I had a cross comb situation.

I started, like, surgically trying to separate them so I can see what's going on.

And comb collapsed into the hive.

And it's just like, as a beekeeper, when this happens, you're just like, oh, my God.

So, like, this is the worst case scenario.

And so I'm getting this comb out of the hive because I can't leave it in there.

And I realized there was brood at the bottom of that honeycomb, and I can't find the queen.

And if there's brood right there, that means my queen was laying eggs.

So I'm like, oh, my God.

Where is my queen?

And I can see there's a little bit more cross comb.

They're super stressed out.

I don't want to make them miserable.

So I just, like, I got the comb out, I closed the hive, and I'm sitting there like, oh, my God, what did I do?

What did I do?

You know, like, panic mode.

And so I realized, well, I can go sit and listen to their sound and see if they have that high screech warning noise.

And then I realized I can record this with my phone and study the sound waves using AI.

So I put my phone.

Meredith Oke: So cool.

Okay.

Amber Hargroeder: I put my phone on the hive, which I know that's in your mask and all that.

It was very short version, just for a minute, and I recorded the sound of the hive, and I did this every day for a couple of days to let them recover from this.

I didn't want to open the hive and cause chaos again, so I just kept recording the sound and measuring their vibrations.

And I realized, okay, this hive still has a queen.

Like, based just on the vibration, they're okay.

And I just kept going back and sitting with them and, like, listening, and it's like, okay, we're good.

We're good.

And sure enough, I just saw her, like, two days ago.

She's fine.

She's lame.

So we're good.

You know, that really panicked me, but I had to measure something that was invisible to the eye because I couldn't open the box.

So.

And I think that's really to round this all out.

What I'm doing with burnout today is effectively a hive check without opening the hive.

I'm checking the vibration of the hive based off of your language.

So based off of the sound that you're making and the words that you're using and That I think has actually turned out to be very accurate in a very strange way.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

So to.

To bring this back full, full circle.

Sorry, this is just so amazing.

I mean, it's so cool.

So I'm just going to explain for.

For everyone listening.

So Amber reached out and she's like, I'm working on burnout.

I'm like, okay.

And she sent me some questions.

She said, right.

Stream of consciousness answers.

Don't think about it.

They were not multiple choices.

They were very simple questions.

You know, what's your favorite this, what's your favorite that?

Things like that.

And I wrote just a few paragraphs.

It took me, you know, I don't know, five or seven minutes.

And I sent them back to Amber, and I was kind of like, what?

What's happening?

She's like, I have this thing.

And anyway, and then.

So then you sent me back this report that described me quite well, actually, and I showed it to other people.

They're like, oh, yeah, yeah, totally.

You should work on that, you know, because it has, like, the, you know, the upsides, the downsides, areas of weakness.

So just to explain to people.

So that's what happened.

And then I gave it to some of my coaching clients.

And I didn't.

I just gave them the questions and I told them to answer.

Stream of consciousness, same thing.

And then they send you their responses and.

And you put their stuff into your magic Be inspired Mathematic linguistic algorithm, but conjured out of the ether these insanely accurate profiles.

So I just wanted to explain that so that this is like, what's happening.

This is what Amber is working on.

So.

Yeah, take it from there.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah.

So what basically happened is that I had known this abstract mathematician for like a decade, and we had reconnected and he was.

Had been building the software for, like, 15 years.

And his whole thing was he wanted to remove dysfunction from companies.

And he'd been CEO of.

Well, he was CEO of Spider Oak, if anybody knows what that company is.

It's like need to know technology.

It was like encrypted stuff.

He's got code in space.

He's like this really talented mathematician programmer.

And he.

We had kind of fallen out of contact with each other because both of his parents had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's at the exact same time.

And so he spent 10 years taking care of his parents while he was building this program.

And we reconnect.

Meredith Oke: Sorry.

Sorry I interrupt you just for a sec, because what, like, what I'm hearing is sort of life circumstances pulled him out of that day to day hustle that you were talking about.

And he just spent all his free time being creative with his genius, right?

Amber Hargroeder: Pretty much.

I mean, in the spare moments, I mean, from the stories that I've heard, I mean, dealing with double Alzheimer's is a grueling process.

And I wasn't.

Meredith Oke: That's really intense.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah, I, you know, but he somehow.

Meredith Oke: Managed in the, in that time.

Amber Hargroeder: So his goal, be creative.

Yeah, his goal was basically to do something for himself.

And that was like his personal time.

And I think that's another area of burnout that we don't talk about enough.

And I certainly didn't mention it earlier in my list of burnout is caregivers.

You get burned out because especially when you're dealing with someone who's, you know, terminally ill or, you know, just dealing with someone who has like a really nasty flu or Covid or something, you can burn yourself out taking care of other people instead of taking care of yourself.

And I know in the instances where I have been a caregiver, it's like, you don't think about eating, you don't think about sleep.

It's.

You're running off of adrenaline.

And for the period of time that you're running on that adrenaline, you don't realize the deficit that you're building.

And then when it finally reaches a conclusion of some kind, good or bad, it's kind of like a slinky going down the stairs.

It all just catches up with you so fast and you just feel like slammed against the wall and you're like, what happened?

And if that experience does end in loss, then you go through the grief process, which we've already discussed.

But it is a form of burnout because you're running off of your reserves, like your mineral reserves, your fat reserves.

You know, you're.

You're running off of your, like your emergency stash of life.

And when you go through that and you burn through it, it's like, how do you even start regenerating that?

Like, where do you go?

You've hit the bottom.

And so for him, he was taking care of his parents and he was building the software and we reconnected and he's like, you know, I'd like to run you.

And I gave him like 3,000 words of text and he gave me a report on myself.

And it was really good, but it was also kind of bad, you know, and I think that's the beauty of these reports.

Sports is for me, I was very results oriented, which we've kind of already discussed.

Like, anyone who's very driven has kind of like that fire energy where you just like, go, go, go.

You're prone to burnout.

But I also had a really high holistic score.

Like, I was like this close to Rupert Sheldrake.

I was like, oh, I'm gonna, I wanna go for that more, you know.

Meredith Oke: I believe it.

I totally believe it.

Amber Hargroeder: Like, oh man, that'd be so cool.

But the thing holding me back is I had an off the chart self martyr score.

And I was like, oh, man, what?

And I started thinking about all the ways I have sacrificed myself for like everybody and caregivers.

If you have any tendency towards self martyrdom, it's kind of like, I'm not saying this in a, in a bad way, like, oh, you put yourself martyrdom.

Meredith Oke: No, I mean, I'm thinking of being a new mother.

Yeah, that, you know, you just described it.

It's like all of a sudden everything.

And if you have no, you know, if you're like.

For me, I was used to, to the working use of my energy.

Just go, go, go, go till you crash.

And then they'll take a vacation or a weekend comes or something.

But then you have a baby, you, like, the baby doesn't have a weekend.

Amber Hargroeder: You just.

Meredith Oke: And so if you know, at a certain point, it's these.

Amber Hargroeder: Well, I mean, how many women, when they're pregnant are drinking nourishing herbs or eating nourishing foods, if you can even keep food down?

One of my sisters vomited from the end of that pregnancy.

She couldn't keep anything down, so her teeth started breaking because she was so malnourished by the end of it.

And then you start breastfeeding.

And there's these wonderful books.

It's called the first 40 days, first nine months, and something about fertility.

There's three of them.

I cannot think of the author's name right now, but they are wonderful books.

Just look for the first 40 days.

And it's like how to nourish yourself as a mother.

Whether you're preparing to become a mother, you're pregnant, or you just had a baby.

Because a lot of postpartum is, is a type of burnout where you have no nutrient nourishment whatsoever.

Like you're just completely depleted.

And that causes a lot of like, neurological things.

And it might seem like it's a mental health thing.

Like, I'm so depressed, I'm so miserable, I'm so angry.

And it's like, actually you need like stinging nettles or you need you know, red raspberry leaf.

Because you have no nutrition left in your cells, you've been, you've sacrificed yourself.

So I mean, that's a beautiful thing.

And I haven't gone through that experience yet, ever.

I don't know.

But, but it's, it's just one of those things where we, we don't know how to nourish ourselves appropriately.

And you know, for me, realizing I was a self martyr, I realized all the ways that I had kind of been like, you know, when centipedes have babies, their babies eat them.

I had kind of had that mentality a little bit like, I will sacrifice myself for someone else.

And as soon as I saw that, I was like, whoa, okay, hold on.

How has that benefited me?

You know, not to be selfish, but it's like I'm the person who's had all these burnout experiences and it's like I can count or look back at every instance of the way that I practically killed myself to the point that I was thinking about killing myself because I was so run down.

I mean, this is over long periods of time, but it's just kind of like you get so depleted that you're just like, I don't know what to do anymore.

And you know, for me, getting that initial report was very eye opening about my behavior.

So in the, in the research for mindset psychology, it's called your action logic.

So your mindset dictates how you make decisions, what actions you take to do things.

And everybody has a different, it's like a mosaic of all these different possibilities.

Like no two people are exactly alike.

And based on your environment, based on your upbringing, based on your innate, you know, soul, you have different levels of everything.

And it's, it, it kind of, I mean, if we get a little woo, it kind of reminds me of the Tower of Babel a little bit.

Like everybody is.

So everyone's the same.

They're all building the exact same thing.

And then God's like, no, no, no, that's not what we're doing here.

And so it's like everybody gets split off into these different languages.

And, and I'm like, well, okay, maybe it's not like French and Spanish versus like Romanian and Russian.

Maybe it's, I mean, those three romantic languages, it's not that different.

But anyway, it's a, it's not like everybody branched off into a language, but what if everyone branched off into a different subconscious?

And so everybody has like diverse things that they're supposed to be doing or being or creating and it's not that we're all supposed to be building this monolithic thing.

We're all supposed to be souls having a unique experience.

Experience.

And, and so I think what we're doing here is measuring if you're lost in that journey because of the education system, because of the career you chose, because of the environment you're in or the people you're around, if you're confused about who you are, what you should be doing, what your purpose is in life, and why you're so exhausted, this seems to be a solution for that.

This is like the ultimate hive check.

For the individual to be like, okay, how's.

How's my queen doing?

How are my drones, my worker bees?

Like, am I able to be creat enough to produce honey?

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Oh, I love this metaphor.

Yes.

And that's going to look a little bit different for everyone, and yet we're trying to fit it in.

Okay, so I want to hear, like, the different sections of the report, but I also just want to bring up something that I've been that I think about a lot that ties into this, which is that I work with so many very talented practitioners and coaches and people who have a deep heart to serve, and they just want to work with clients.

And yet in our current setup, society wise, as you were mentioning before, for most of them, the only way to do that is to run a business, which is not necessarily something that they are oriented to.

You know, some people have that, like, kind of business part of them, and they just step into it, but a lot of them don't.

But there's not.

It's.

It's.

So I'm curious, right?

Like, you can be living your purpose in terms of, you know, being a holistic health coach or being a naturopath or whatever it is in, in terms of what you do.

But then you have to devote all this energy to building a business structure around it.

And I'm just curious what your thoughts are on that in terms of causing burnout.

Amber Hargroeder: Well, this is where my background as a business consultant really comes into play.

So, you know, right now the report is geared towards more corporate people.

So you might have noticed that in some of the language, it's like, you know, you can't.

It's not a good idea for you to work with these types of people because they're going to burn you out for various reasons.

Reasons.

And, you know, there, there's different types of a burnout situation.

So you can have the physical burnout situation, which is like, you're Just physically, you're running yourself ragged.

Or, you know, cops, people working in healthcare, people who have to work night shifts and their circadian rhythm is off, like by a lot.

Those people will burn out.

And there's a reason why a lot of like law enforcement don't stay in law enforcement all the way to retirement.

Like, it, just think about it, you're working night shifts every two weeks or so.

You're surrounded by EMFs.

It's like a fight or flight situation every night.

Like long periods of time followed by huge adrenaline spikes.

I mean, that'll burn you out.

Meredith Oke: And being called into situations with the absolute worst behavior society has to offer.

Amber Hargroeder: Oh, absolutely.

And you know, I've worked, I've worked with a lot of law enforcement and like people in the ICAC division, which is Internet crimes against children, like they see horrible things.

So that burns them out.

So you know that that's one aspect of burnout is that the state of your, the what your job requires you to do can burn you out just by the nature of it or the way that, you know, you don't want cops.

I mean, I don't want to say, I don't want law enforcement to not follow their circadian rhythm.

But if there's an emergency at 3 in the morning, do you want them to be like, sorry, we're sleeping.

Like, you know, it's, it's part of the sacrifice that has to be made.

But so that's okay physical.

So that can affect a business owner or a freelancer.

Absolutely.

Because if you don't set boundaries and you've got clients messaging you, this can happen in corporate, this can happen when you have your own business.

But if you don't understand how you best operate, and especially for female entrepreneurs or female founders, maybe look at how your cycle works.

Because if you know when you're going to be on your bleed, you probably shouldn't be seeing clients during that time.

You should just rest, like push everything to the front of the cycle or the middle of the cycle.

Like not then.

So you can't have kind of control.

But if you have a lot of empathy, chances are you're not going to want to tell people no, or you're not going to want to have those structures or boundaries because your impulse is to help people.

And look, when I first got my very first report, my empathy was like crazy high.

And I was like, whoa, that's too much empathy.

This needs to be dialed down.

I gotta be a little meaner.

I, I can't, I'm bleeding here.

You know, so, I mean, physically, if you don't set boundaries for your own, well, being as a business owner, then you're gonna burn yourself out.

So that's the first thing.

If you're in a dysfunctional environment, it could be inherently dysfunctional, or it could just be dysfunctional for you.

So you work in a company, and these are all people who this.

You're just not in the right spot.

You're not in the right job, you're not working with the right people.

Like, that'll burn you out.

It doesn't mean that those people are all crazy and you're the only sane person.

It's just you're kind of like, you know, I don't know, like the alligator hanging out with the ducks.

Like, you're not.

You're not the same person.

Don't eat the ducks.

But, you know, like, so it's kind of like it's a.

It's not the same thing.

But when you have a business and you're running it yourself, you know, make sure that you are doing the right thing for your specific talents.

If you're a screwdriver, you don't want to be used as a hammer.

So you maybe could be used as one in a pinch.

But you know that if you.

If you set up your business in a way that you're like, I think this is what I should be doing.

This is working for other people.

I'll just do this one thing that'll burn out.

And I mean, I.

I can speak from personal experience about that, because when I first opened my practice, I kind of positioned myself as a generalist.

I'm like, okay, come to me with your biggest problems that cannot be solved, and I will solve them.

Right.

Turns out a lot of these problems you either can't solve because they won't change, or like, there's a reason why it's an unsolved problem.

Maybe.

Maybe there's something that's been missed, but, you know, it.

I really set myself up to fail in that regard because I was like, you know, come to me with your biggest problems.

And I found myself pouring through herbalism texts and anything I could think of to try to find these solutions to obscure problems, when really it's like, that wasn't necessarily in my wheelhouse.

So if you are running a business as a practitioner, make sure that you're actually doing something that's sustainable for you, that's going to give you energy as opposed to deplete it.

And the most important thing.

And we talk about this so My husband and I now have a company called Stealth Dog Labs.

And all of the reports are run through Stealth Dog Labs.

But that's for the enterprise side.

That's for companies.

My offer, my clarity call is for individuals.

But, you know, when we look at different companies and the dysfunction that they have, a lot of times you're talking to the wrong customer.

So we call it the A plus customer.

The customer that you love working with, like you, it's a pleasure to talk to them.

They get you.

You're on the same wavelength.

What you recommend works, you know, like they actually do.

Meredith Oke: So, yeah, they're a good fit for you.

Amber Hargroeder: Right, because that's true.

Meredith Oke: That would be another big source of burnout if you're continuously working with clients.

I mean, to use your metaphor, you're trying to coach ducks and you're an alligator.

You should probably be coaching alligators.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah, so.

But the language on your website is going to attract certain types of people.

It's not going to attract your dream client if your dream client is a result systems thinker.

Okay, so there's seven core mindsets.

There's tons of personality traits which really make this very complicated.

But the core mindsets that we measure are opportunistic people.

So these are like sales people.

Like, they're always looking for an opportunity.

They're really good in a bind because they'll find a solution really quickly.

Yeah, there's a, there's a quote, but I don't want to use Bill Gates.

No, scratch that.

But opportunistic people, that's one.

So these are people that are just kind of go getters and they're really good at just like finding quick solutions.

They're not the deepest thinkers, but they're very action oriented.

You have disciplined people.

You're going to find a lot of these in healthcare.

They're really good at following the rules, but they're really good also at keeping teams together.

So they want harmony within teams.

They want to make sure everybody's on the same page.

We're all working together.

But the problem with that kind of the downside of it is they can also, in my experience in working with companies, they can protect narcissists.

They don't want to believe that a lethal narcissist who is destroying the team is a bad person.

They don't want to believe that.

And so you can bring them all the evidence in the world and like, no, no, we're a team, we're a family.

You know, like, you got to take the good with the bad.

And so that would be a downside of discipline.

But discipline is the reason why the trains run on time.

We have electricity, our Internet works.

We have engineers.

They're disciplined.

They get things done in a different way.

They're very steady, a good foundation to build on.

You've got your experts.

These are the people that the downside would be they nitpick you to death.

But they're also invaluable as very highly niche consultants.

These are people who know the nitty gritty of some of the obscure thing that, you know, if you're really in a bind with that specific thing, you call them in, like, that's them.

But they can be kind of grizzly, like you're gruff.

Then you have results oriented people.

If it's not balanced with empathy, a results person will just run you into the ground because the goal and the achievement is everything.

But people like Jamie Dimon are highly results oriented.

Elon Musk is very results oriented.

They want to get things done.

You don't temper that a little bit with some other aspects of a mindset.

It can get kind of bad.

But you know, a results oriented person will burn themselves out just because they are like, go, go, go, just get this off my plate.

And then instead of resting, they put something else on their plate.

Kind of an example.

Then we have empathy.

Empathy.

A lot of people in the healthcare space are very empathetic.

That's why you get into it.

You want to help people.

You're like, I, I know I can help people.

I can be of service.

The problem with empathy is they are food for narcissists.

Like, they just attract them like crazy.

They can burn themselves out because even though they have empathy for everybody else, they don't necessarily have empathy for themselves.

So they, they don't take care of themselves.

But in a company setting, you're the ones who are like, we have to do this for the customer.

We have to go above and beyond for the customer.

We really have to understand who these people are.

An empathetic person is valuable in that setting for marketing, for messaging, all of that things, because they can understand the individual.

Which a results person not necessarily.

Like, it depends on what the whole mix is.

Systems thinkers, you're a systems thinker.

Systems thinkers are actually the most burned out thinkers.

And you have a zero burnout score.

So you are doing great.

Meredith Oke: But yeah, that was, that was exciting news.

I, it took me, I mean, that's been my journey for a long time.

So it took me a while, but I was very excited.

Amber Hargroeder: I'm Like a systems thinker is a second tier thinker.

They can see all of the moving parts of something, something and how it all fits together.

And Steve Jobs was a systems thinker.

You're much nicer than Steve.

Way less dysfunctional.

Meredith Oke: I must have a higher empathy score.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah, Mr.

Screamy.

So, I mean, like, systems thinkers are the most burned out because there are big innovative thinkers.

And we've already talked about how innovation has been completely squashed in most of our culture and most companies.

We don't want to do the big ideas, we want to do the safe ideas.

Look at all the movies that are remakes from the 90s or before.

Nobody wants to take a chance.

Whereas a systems thinker can see all the moving parts.

Kind of like that meme from the card counter, from the hangover, all the pieces and like, oh, no, this is what we need to do.

And unfortunately, in a lot of companies, you know, God love disciplined thinkers because they make things work.

But a disciplined thinker is like, we can't take a risk.

Like, let's just cut costs.

Let's not do something new and scary.

Let's not do something innovative.

They're like, you know, let's just increase the volume, let's put a volume button on the telephone.

Like, that's sustaining innovation.

That's what a discipline thinker would think.

Whereas a systems thinker is like, let's throw all this out and do something cool, you know, so that's that.

And then the final mindset is holistic.

This is like the Rupert Sheldrakes of the world.

They do see all the moving parts, pieces, but it's like they think almost in like, I don't know, they think in a totally different.

It's like, it's like systems, but it's more, I want to say it's a more feminine version of systems thinking in a way because it's more like, I don't know, I just think of like, like they just in that way.

Like with Rupert Sheldrake and Morphic Resonance, he's kind of thinking in a very different way.

A lot of people in his field and that's because he has an off charts holistic score.

So there's, that's all the things that we're measuring that I think can help.

It's not all the things we're measuring, but that's like the core seven mindsets to help you understand these differentiations.

For me, I'm.

Results.

Empathy, holistic.

Someone else.

A lot of people in healthcare are discipline, empathy, you know, different people can be results very rare.

But that happens a lot in health space.

I, I think.

Meredith Oke: No, it's interesting you say that.

And that's what I see.

I would say, yeah, discipline, empathy or expert discipline.

And so running a business, you need some opportunistic.

You need some.

Right.

Or you need to understand how to build a business that aligns with those things.

And I think a lot of the business building advice is from the opportune people.

Amber Hargroeder: Opportunist.

Meredith Oke: Anyway, I'm.

Yeah, go ahead.

Amber Hargroeder: You.

You don't have to have.

Don't think that.

Because if you don't have an opportunistic score, you can't run a business.

Like, actually some of the best business leaders are result systems.

So you don't necessarily need to be like.

A lot of politicians are opportunistic.

I don't.

They are selling something.

But I think you also need to actually produce what you promised.

Which politicians aren't in sales for that reason.

They just need one vote every couple of.

They don't need.

Meredith Oke: I guess that's what I'm trying to get at though is like you have to be in sales a little bit.

Amber Hargroeder: Or you could just.

Meredith Oke: And there's a big aversion to it, or you could.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: So, yeah, I, this is an issue that I really want to solve.

Amber Hargroeder: So I.

Meredith Oke: It's hurting people.

They're.

They're not, you know, they're not able to support themselves.

I see it over and over.

Amber Hargroeder: What I would say is first understand what your mindset is.

Then understand the mindset of your A plus customer.

So if your customer has high empathy and you have high empathy, but your language was written by AI and AI has a disciplined mindset.

Nobody's connecting.

If you just like, oh, you know, I got this badass prompt.

I'm gonna put it in chat GPT.

I'm gonna throw some compute at it.

It's gonna solve all my problems.

Like, no, no, I'm sorry.

AI has a mindset of a discipline expert individual.

So any copy that you generate from Chad, GPT, GROK might be a little bit more snarky, but anything that you generate from AI is not going to match the psychology of your customer.

Now, we do that through self dog labs.

We can generate an LLM that works with that psychology.

But the thing is, is to understand who am I talking to?

What do they need?

This is like the basics of business that because it's invisible, it's really hard to quantify.

So who is my customer?

Where do they hang out?

What are they saying, what language do they use, what problem do they have and what do they want?

And like, oftentimes the way that people talk about their problems isn't their real problem.

That's just the coding on the problem.

So it's, if you want to have a successful business, it's like you need to understand who you're talking to.

And it doesn't mean that you have to all of a sudden become the sleazy car salesman.

Like you don't have to be, you know, I'm not, I'm not trying to like all over opportunistic people.

They serve a purpose, especially in a corporation.

But if you're just running a consulting business, really understand what your purpose is, understand your vision, focus on what you need to focus on for your target customer and then communicate with them in a way that resonates.

And that sounds so easy.

But I can understand why people struggle with it.

Like, I mean, even with me.

So I've been a professional copywriter for 15 years.

I've written copy for everything from like luxury brands to unfortunately politicians to non profits.

I mean I've, I've run the gamut, okay?

I've sold like shoes and people, not people that way.

That sounds bad.

Not human trafficking, scratch that.

But you know, thought leaders, it's a type of sales.

I was trained by one copywriter.

One major one was a major influence for me.

And so I kept trying to make my voice like hers because back in the day I figured that's how you sell.

And it's like I actually get a better response when I'm authentic the way that I speak.

We were talking earlier about how LinkedIn is the least authentic place ever.

So if someone's never run a business and then they go and they look at LinkedIn and they look at how other people are selling stuff, they're not actually realizing how to sell for themselves.

They're not realizing that maybe if you're just very authentic, you don't have to be this over the top, extroverted, shallow person.

I mean a lot of, a lot of sales.

And I've said this about politics.

Politics is very much like a skipping stone on the surface of the water.

It makes a bunch of splashes.

It's highly dependent on momentum.

It's trying to get somewhere.

But eventually that stone will sink.

And you see this with politicians, eventually they will sink because it is the culture that inherently defines who the politician is.

Look at it like a vining plant.

The politician is the vine.

It's going to grow wherever it can get a tendril.

Okay.

Like it's just going to do that.

But if the culture is the trellis and we are defining what that trellis is, then it controls where the vine goes.

So if you haven't done the deep work, so you got the skipping stone at the stop at the, at the top of the surface of the water, and then you've got like the fish down at the bottom, like the deep sea fish, they are making bigger changes than the skipping stone at the top.

Don't fall for the flashy splashing nonsense.

That's trendy and it's just going to go for a short period of time.

Don't drive yourself down crazy chasing things.

You need to go deep into yourself and what you can actually bring to the table.

Because, and I see this a lot in, in the quantum community, there's not a lot of differentiation because I think people are like, what do I bring specifically?

And it's, it's a, they need to go internally instead of going externally and trying to like, market like crazy.

It's like you need to go deep within yourself and be like, who am I?

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Amber Hargroeder: And that's a really, that, that's a difficult conversation.

And a lot of people will turn to like, Meyer, Briggs, Enneagram, disc, human design, the Zodiac.

And they're like, oh, you know, like, I'm a Scorp, I'm personally a Scorpio.

And I mean, for a while that resonated, but it resonates a lot more with me to be like, I'm results, systems holistic or something.

You know, like it's, it makes more sense to me and it's, it's more personalized.

And when you go to all these other things like Myers Briggs or disc, it's a questionnaire evaluation, it's open to bias.

You can already have in your head what you want to be and what you want the answer to be.

And so even if you're not consciously aware of it at the time, you can be dictating those results.

Our results have completely removed bias.

It's completely objective because I don't know if you could actually cheat on this test.

Like, there's, there's no, it's not a multiple choice thing.

So if you're like, what's my favorite memory growing up?

What was my favorite toy?

What's my favorite, you know, day?

Like, who's my favorite person?

Like, tell me why?

And we're measuring the linguistics for mindset psychology and linguistic psychology.

Like, it's not like you can choose From A through E.

So you get something that's a little bit more.

Well, it's actually more honest.

It's.

We want honesty.

I mean, the downside of that is like, we've also been able to measure a lot of frauds.

So like Bernie Madoff, Elizabeth Holmes, Sam Bankman, Fried, Stockton Rush, they all follow a specific pattern of behavior.

And now all these documentaries are coming out.

So the pattern is a little clearer, but it's like we can actually measure that now.

And it's like, whoa, you know, and I haven't, I haven't had to tell anyone that they have these scores.

But you know, you're looking at someone like Thompson Rush, the psychopath, and you're just like, whoa, what was his deal?

Meredith Oke: What did he do?

Amber Hargroeder: This is the guy from the Titan submersible who imploded on the way to the Titanium.

Meredith Oke: The submarine.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah.

And so Netflix just released about it.

And you're like, I know a lot about Elizabeth Holmes and Sunny Balwani who ran Theranos.

I didn't know that much about Bernie Madoff, but we started digging into it and we're like, well, let's run their text.

And it's just like, you see this clear personality that emerges that reveals that they were always a fraud.

And it's just kind of like, whoa, okay, what?

Like, and that's just purely through language, the language that they used.

So that gets a little creepy.

But it's just kind of like the language that you're using to sum this up on your website for your business, the offer that you're making, that's dictating the type of customers that you're getting and it's dictating whether or not you are generating energy or running out of energy.

So that's.

And I think we've, we've kind of talked, okay, types of burnout, physical dysfunctional environment, toxic people, your narcissist, obstructionist dictators.

And then any dysfunctional traits that you might have yourself, like self martyrdom, could be one.

So those are the things that we're ultimately looking for to help you get out of a burnout situation or to help you find your purpose, find, you know, what you should be focused on.

What your vision.

It's translating your vision into focus so you can have a successful business.

And that's kind of what makes my clarity call offer a little vague in a way because you can get a burnout report, but it's whatever you need that we can provide that helps you get out of burnout.

So if you need Help with your business.

We've got those tools in our toolbox.

If you want help with your physical health, I do tongue evaluation and connect you with herbal allies.

Like, it's truly a holistic offer in the sense that everything is inherently connected when it comes to your health, environment, diet, you know, your thoughts, your workout routine.

And when I get on platforms like X or Instagram and everyone's like, everybody needs to be on Carnivore, everybody needs to creatine, everybody needs turmeric.

And then you see the story is like, this woman's liver is in failure because she OD'd on turmeric.

And I'm just like, oh, my God, like, not everybody.

I know bio individualism is relatively new in some areas, but we're not all one size fits all, especially when it comes down to how we think.

Meredith Oke: Yes, well, and that's interesting in terms of how we think, because there's the messaging, like, everyone needs to be doing this, but then there's also the way that we receive it, which is in an all or nothing, right?

And we, you know, I remember talking to a healthcare provider and he, like, you know, recommended a certain tea to somebody and he's like, drink one cup of this tea.

It was an herbal tea or something.

And then he saw her again and there was something totally weird in her labs.

And he's like, oh, tell me like, what you're doing.

And she's like, oh, well, I drank like six cups of that a day because you said it was good for me.

No, but we're like, oh, a little is good.

Like the turmeric.

A little is good.

Like, mountains of it.

Must be better.

Like, what is that thinking?

Because it happens all the time.

We all do it.

We do it with everyone.

We've all gone through that with the sunlight.

We were just like all of a sudden all the time.

And then it's like, okay, there's a little bit more nuance to it and there's a place for sunscreen and shade and, you know, but that, that kind of like, oh, my God, I found a new thing that's really important.

I just gotta, like go to the wall with it as opposed.

And we eventually get to the, to the balanced approach.

But I see that over and over and over when anyone, that we all do as humans.

Carrie Bennett had a post.

It was something.

Oh, yeah, fasting.

It was like, fasting is super helpful.

But if you fast and like, if you're doing like 18 hour fasts every day, like, and you might not, you might be getting depleted.

And it's like, yep, we do it with fat.

Right?

Like, we'll just do it with anything we'll do instead of enough to have the desired effect.

We just go crazy with it.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of aspects to that.

I think there's one part of us is that we're so hungry for whatever is missing.

We don't know.

Again, it goes back to invisible things.

So, you know, I married someone who spent his life measuring invisible things.

And I'm like, okay, let's, let's measure them together, you know?

Right.

And what, what happened is we kind of merged all of my knowledge with all of his programming knowledge.

And we wanted to help people fix this problem.

Because you'll see this even in companies, they're like, we have to go all Jaguar.

Jaguar is a perfect example.

They just destroyed their brand.

So if you saw like the pink Kleenex box on wheels, which is their new EV vehicle, they, they went from these super sexy cars, they could have just thrown an EV battery in those things and probably sold them like hotcakes.

But they were like, no, we're gonna destroy our legacy and we're gonna go all in on this extreme.

And I think it's like this desperation thing where we're like, we have to go all in on something we don't want to just try dip our toe in.

And I'm totally guilty of this.

I once fasted for 15 days.

So, you know, not to brag, definitely not enough on my body, you know, and when I get into things, I get really intense and passionate about them.

And so you want to explore them to like all the way.

Right now with herbs, I, I don't agree with everything.

The initial herbalist I studied with, I don't agree with her on a lot of things.

But I will say that her program was great because it introduced you to herbs one at a time for 30 days.

And what you did was we meet once a month and we'd have like three infusions of three different, like three different plants.

And we'd sit and we'd meditate, which you with each one.

And you could tell which one your body actually wanted based just on that.

Like you could do like nettles, oat straw, burdock.

And you do three infusions, quart sized jars.

And you just sit with them with your eyes closed and you just drink them slowly and be like, how does this make me feel?

And I think what's happening is we've lost that sensory element of the hive.

We have lost our ability to understand ourselves and how we respond to things.

And there's this.

Because there's so much going on in our environments.

Whether you're doom scrolling on social media or you're working in a dysfunctional company, like, so much is being thrown at you.

I mean, I don't watch television, but it's like I go to my parents house and the TV's on.

I'm like, whoa.

Like, so many ads just flying at me.

And then the news is so bright and everybody's all airbrushed, and I'm just like, I can't, I can't handle this.

Meredith Oke: And they're telling you with such authority how terrible it is.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah, so.

And there's, there's a system to that.

I don't want people to think that in order to be in business, you have to be a sleazy salesperson.

And not all opportunistic people are sleazy salesperson.

I should say that too.

Meredith Oke: But yeah, yeah, no, they're great.

We, we need them.

Amber Hargroeder: We.

Everybody has a role to play.

Meredith Oke: I've had my life changed by opportunistic people who are willing to put their offer in front of me until I realized I needed it.

Like, I appreciate that.

Amber Hargroeder: Everybody, it's an ecosystem.

I mean, I just, I'm like, I'm like, I don't watch tv.

And I'm like, oh, here's another Netflix show with, like, the Shark Whisperer that I just watched.

Which I'm like, that's insane.

But at the same time, I'm like, okay, yeah, predators are important for the ocean.

So shocker.

You know, things are there for a reason.

People's mindsets and personality traits are there for a reason.

You know, when we ran a bunch of, like, nobility people, they were all narcissists.

Which, I mean, it's not really, but I was like, oh, okay.

Meredith Oke: Did you run the current royal family of.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah, I, I, we went through, like, Princess Diana's letters that we found.

Oh, yeah, she was Camilla park about Bowles.

Yeah, that's not right, Charles.

We went through, like, transcripts of them being candid, and then they were all three narcissists.

Like, crazy narcissist.

Camila was the worst.

Meredith Oke: I was like, oh, really?

Amber Hargroeder: God.

And then now I feel, like, super gossipy, but the worst person in our system.

We thought it was Madonna.

And then Neil Gaiman came in and there's this whole sex scandal going on.

So there's a podcast called the Master Highly Recommend it.

It's crazy.

He has, like, done horrible things to young girls.

Like, some of this stuff.

I'm still Neil Gaiman.

Neil Gaiman.

And there's a lawsuit now.

And he had hired this girl.

His wife was in on it.

They would bring in these young girls to serve as babysitters, but they never paid them.

And he was, like, sexually abusing them.

And they had no money to get away.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Amber Hargroeder: And so on the master, there's this, like, call where it's a.

It's him speaking, and it's not him, like, polished or anything.

And we ran that and, like, he's a horrible person.

Like, it just.

He's actually the most dangerous person in our system, I think.

And.

Meredith Oke: Wow.

Amber Hargroeder: You know, we were talking about culture before this started, but it's like he grew up in Scientology and was, like, a major player in Scientology for a long time.

And it's just kind of like, I.

I used to love his books.

Like, some of his books.

And, like, I didn't realize.

I never read Sandman, but it's like Calliope, the muse is being held captive and raped all the time and being forced to call someone Master.

And that's actually Neil Gaiman.

Like, he's not the hero.

He's the bad guy.

Like, that was shocking for me.

I don't even remember my point anymore.

Now I'm going on to gossip.

Meredith Oke: Well, it's also, you know, it's so intriguing and compelling that we reveal ourselves through our language to this extent.

Right.

Like, as I, you know, I was explaining to the audience earlier, you know, I just answered.

I just wrote some paragraphs, and you sent back all of this information about me.

So it's like we are showing the world who we are all the time.

And you talk about measuring the invisible.

We, you know, we get, oh, I have a bad vibe with person, this person or that, you know, if when we pay attention or intuition, you.

We know, but we're also giving voice to it, is what I hear you saying with this tool that you and your husband have developed.

Amber Hargroeder: Like, yeah, the.

Meredith Oke: The sim.

I mean, language in itself is a symbol, and where the words that we choose are expressions of who we are, and we're revealing ourselves whenever we use it.

Amber Hargroeder: So, I mean, there was a lot of fear about data.

When Elon Musk went in a doge.

Everyone's like, he's gonna steal data.

And I don't think people understand how much data they bleed out every day.

You know, this podcast is providing data on me.

You know, every.

Every Social media post, every yelp review, every LinkedIn, whatever.

It's.

It's telling people who you are.

It's telling you are revealing who you are through language.

And I think inherently from your intuition, if you're listening to your intuition and paying attention to it, you actually can tell who people are at the jump.

It.

It just.

We always convince ourselves that we're wrong.

And that goes back to our cultural conditioning in which we're not allowed to really have an opinion on things.

I mean, think about a young kid who probably picks up on good people people, bad people, scary people, whatever, and we lose that sense of, like I keep saying, intuition, but we lose that Spidey sense, like, so young, because it's.

It's not important in a system built on rote memorization and multiple choice tests.

So you're not meant to be intuitive.

You're not meant to be creative.

And so we lose this innately human quality about ourselves.

And that's why when people drink a tea, if you are in tune with yourself, you will realize you don't need to drink that six times a day.

Your body will be repulsed by it.

But we're like, I got to do it.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Amber Hargroeder: Bottoms up.

Meredith Oke: Like, my doctor said this was good for me, so I'll just do like 10 times what the recommended dose.

Amber Hargroeder: I mean, one great example of this is during the pandemic, people couldn't get ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, so they were like, well, I'm going to drink wormwood tea.

Wormwood is the most bitter tea in the Materia Medica.

There's a demon named after it in the Bible.

It is extremely bitter.

Meredith Oke: Oh, isn't that a Harry Potter?

Isn't that the Harry Potter rat?

Amber Hargroeder: Maybe.

I don't know.

Wait, is there.

My daughter is.

Wormwood is the name of the rat.

Meredith Oke: That'S the bad guy who killed.

Who ratted out Harry's parents and then turned into a rat.

I didn't know that.

J.K.

rowling.

Very crafty.

Amber Hargroeder: Okay, so language, language, when you work with wormwood as a tincture, and it'll get rid of really bitter memories is what, one of the signatures of wormwood.

The dose is one drop on the tongue per day.

And I ran into this woman who, she knew I was an herbalist, and she came up to me so excited because she was making herself drink multiple cups of wormwood tea a day.

And I was like, whoa, okay, stop that.

Like, okay.

Sour flavor.

Yeah, Bitter flavors.

They get your gastrointestinal juices going, right?

So they help with digestion, congestion.

Sour flavors benefit the liver, but you don't want so much sour that you hurt your liver.

But it's just kind of like, if you're drinking all of this wormwood, what are you doing to your body?

Like?

And I think during the pandemic, it was peak crazy, and people were so desperate for anything, and I think that's to kind of circle back.

Why do people go to these extremes?

And I think it's because they don't think they have any other option.

And they're hungry for something.

They don't know what it is.

And so they keep thinking, well, my doctor told me this.

If I just, like, overdo it, I'll get twice the benefit.

And it's like, you know, sometimes more isn't always better.

It's just more like it.

Actually, there's a diminishing law of returns at play here, so.

And the other issue is is the sunk fallacy.

The sunk cost fallacy is that people are like, well, I've already spent all this money on all these herbs.

I've already spent all this money on this doctor.

I've already spent all this time and energy on it.

I can't stop.

And it's like, listen to your body.

Like, listen to the hum of the internal hive.

Is this good or bad?

Because chances are, if you're already forcing yourself to do something, it's bad.

Now.

You know, I'm really bad about working out.

I mean, I go for walks.

I work.

It's a farm.

Like, I'm doing physical activity, but I don't, like, go to the gym, but I don't, like, believe that I have to punish myself.

Like, I'm like, oh, I gotta go to the gym and, like, work out for three hours and do the sauna and all these extreme things.

Like, I know from experience that's gonna end bad.

It's more like incorporating things.

And I.

I mean, I've been.

I've been saying microdose a lot, but it's really micro dosing nature.

If you're gonna work with an herb, maybe only do it for 30 days.

Do it as a simple do one cup.

You don't have to overdo it.

A lot of doses with tincture should be like, three to four drops.

Three to four times a day, if that.

There are some books that'll tell you, like, 40 drops of ashwagandha tincture.

And I'm just like, okay, well, let me know how that works out for you.

I think you can get By.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

And especially in the, in the natural world, we have this idea that like, it can't be, there's no way for it to be bad for us.

It's natural.

But these are actually very powerful substances.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah, nature requires balance.

I mean, I'm actually living in nature.

Like I'm in the woods, on a river.

Like, I'm surrounded by, you know, giant cats and venomous snakes and owls and, you know, you know, mosquitoes the size of birds.

But it's like when I'm around nature, I'm like, nature inherently knows its own balance.

When it floods, there's something that it needed that for.

Like, it's just like it's, it's kind of like there is this inherent balance and this inherent wisdom, natural wisdom that maybe I'm not completely up to speed on, but there's something going on that is, it balances itself out.

Humans, we're so turned around about who we are, what our purpose is, what environments are good for us.

I mean, I remember when I went through my fruitarian phase like forever ago.

They were like, humans aren't meant to eat meat because we don't have teeth like tigers.

You know, we're meant to eat fruit.

And I'm like, I kind of, I guess that could make sense.

And then, you know, you go through all these things.

I mean, this is when I'm in my 20s, but it's just kind of like, okay, no, I don't, I don't think that that's the answer.

Yeah, 30 bananas a day.

I just want some soup and, and.

Meredith Oke: Need a little egg.

Amber Hargroeder: People who are like, green juice is good for me.

I must drink green juice.

I, all the time.

It's like, okay, when the winter, maybe you shouldn't be doing green juice.

Maybe you need to switch over to broth because you're cold.

And I remember my brother in law, he was like, you can't get sick from getting cold.

And I'm like, well, in Chinese medicine it says that the chill makes you tense and then that tense lowers your defenses and then you can get sick, you're more susceptible.

And I mean, I'm not an expert on Chinese medicine, so hopefully I described that correctly.

But you know, it's like if you're, if you, if you have, if you're cold, you have a cold tissue state, you need warming herbs.

If you have a damp tissue state, you need drying herbs.

It's kind of like what nature is showing you that applies within the body.

If you are overheated, you need sour herbs because Those are going to bring cool, like, lemon juice in the summer, like lemonade in the summer that's very cooling.

So these are all patterns of nature that are existing within your body.

And nature probably has its own home, similar to the hive has a home.

And if your home is not at the right vibration, you're gonna burn out.

Because you cannot sustain chaos for too long.

And what ends up happening is if you're super tense for way too long, the tissues will try to hold you together for as long as they can, but eventually they're going to wear out and they're just gonna be like.

And then you've got, like, all this.

This, you know, saggy tissue that can't hold water.

And so you're just peeing all the time.

Or you got saliva, you got snot coming out your nose all the time because you're just losing fluids like crazy.

And then you dry out and you're like, well, how did this happen?

It's like, well, your boundaries were not strong enough to hold hydration.

And so it held.

It put up a good fight, but then it just kind of went like, flaccid and it couldn't hold anything anymore.

So then you have erosion in internally.

We see that pattern in nature.

I see that pattern on your tongue.

I see it in your tissues.

Like you feel it in your day to day life.

But we don't have the awareness of it because we're so busy.

Like, go, go, go.

I gotta eat all this ground beef.

I gotta do this.

I gotta drink match tea.

I gotta do all these.

All these things.

And so you're so much in your head, you're not in your body at all.

So you could be drinking a tea that's good for you, and you wouldn't even notice because you're so up here.

Meredith Oke: Yeah, no.

And we make it.

We make it a mental exercise, collecting information, acting on the information.

Am I doing all the things we see other people doing?

Something else?

Should I be doing that?

Amber Hargroeder: Well, and that's.

That's the one thing humans have that AI doesn't have, at least right now, is discernment.

Like, focus in on our discernment.

And that comes from, like, experience, like human beings are as a species, as a historical lineage.

We understand what the poisonous mushroom is versus the good mushroom.

You know, there's all this built into, you know, our.

Our human selves, this discernment of what's good versus bad.

What's.

What things should be grouped together, what things should not be grouped together.

And we use that for Creative purposes.

And we're meant to live with the rhythms of the earth, not to just constantly be on one setting.

And the reason why everyone's so scared that AI is going to replace humans is because we have devolved into believing that we are machines and that if you just put a bunch of, like, you know, shilajot in it, it's gonna magically work.

It's just like, no, it's, you know, it's not so much about the supplements, it's about the lifestyle.

And if you don't understand who you are and the role that you play within your own life, then you're going to get burned out.

And that's really the thing that I'm trying to bring to people, is to understand who you are, what your purpose is, like, what makes you happy, what are the things that you can get lost in.

And it might be going back to something like thinking back to who you were when you were 10, but it could be, you know, you can build a business off of that.

People have built businesses off of far worse.

So.

Meredith Oke: Yes, and I think that's the back to that business point that is the key of it, and it's what I really try to encourage people to do and understand they can do, is to build a business that works for them individually and not necessarily to make it like someone else's.

So how do people find you and participate in this magic?

Amber Hargroeder: So the website is amberhargrater.com if you are looking for, like, if, if you have like a small business, like a coaching business, we can still help you through amberhargerter.com.

if you're a major corporation like Starbucks or something, you need to go to stealthdog.com okay.

Meredith Oke: And say, so your self.

What's the word you're saying?

Amber Hargroeder: Stealth.

As in like, like, like S E L F S T E A L T H.

Oh, stealth.

Meredith Oke: Okay, Sorry, I was hearing self.

Amber Hargroeder: No, stealth.

Stealthdog.com.

it has a little stealth dog.

Okay, you'll see that.

Meredith Oke: But so, okay, so stealth dog is for enterprise level.

Amberhardtgroeder.com would be for individuals and small.

Amber Hargroeder: Businesses, individuals who are looking to fix their burnout.

Or even if you need help with your coaching business or with your practitioner business, like just trying to understand, like, what copy you should be using, what, what your focus should be.

Be, like trying to really hone in on that so that you can make your vision a reality by, like knowing what the path is for you.

So you're not so much wandering in the dark anymore.

But we did Say we were going to go to the woo level.

Do you want to do time?

Meredith Oke: Yes.

So I wanted to make sure we got your info out there.

And then, yeah, I wanted to end on your best holistic mindset of all of it.

Amber Hargroeder: So one of the things I was doing because I, I, people will probably notice who have been following me.

You can also follow me on Instagram at Amber Hargroter.

I'm gonna be on there more.

I'm trying to get involved with X.

We'll see how that goes.

But I am there if you want to follow me.

And I guess if I can get, if I can stomach it, I'll be on LinkedIn.

But you know, here's, here's my thing.

I had reached a burnout level, which is kind of why this report ended up happening.

Because I was trying to understand what is it about me that gets me burned out.

And so we ended up making this report.

But I was also at the time going through a year long training in dream work and dream interpretation.

So we're gonna.

Meredith Oke: Of course you were.

Amber Hargroeder: So I'm doing all of this work and with dreams, and that's another thing in the clarity call, if people want dream interpretation, that's something you could just add on.

This is like a fun bonus.

It's not like a requirement.

But I do know how to do it now.

So, you know, I guess I should practice.

But I started doing all this work with the hypnogenic state and a lot of really brilliant people in the past have used the hypnogenic state to solve problems.

I know, like the, the way that DNA looks was, it was like a hypnogenic state realization.

But I was working in this state and I came to this conclusion on how I had this like vision, so to speak, this dream about how to raise consciousness.

And I feel like it kind of ties back into the bees a little bit.

But there's this story about how like there's this grid of light, like the entire Earth has this overarching grid and it's like a power system and everybody, like people who reach certain levels of enlightenment hold down that light on that grid.

And so they, they kind of produce the energy that keeps this whole, you know, Tesla called it a realm, but keeps everything kind of functioning.

And I tied this into the chakras.

So everyone has these energy centers within their body and how they spin or if they're blocked dictates how much energy you have.

It's, it's your access to your enlightenment levels or access to enlightenment.

So the higher enlightenment.

But if you have these blockages at different levels of your energetic being, then you're not serving the grid of light.

You can't activate this higher consciousness, this higher energy level.

And it gets a little bit more complicated.

As to all the things that I, like, wrote down after this speaking specific dream.

But I was like, okay, well, the answer to really healing yourself is to increase your spin.

Increase that spin of your chakras, remove the blockages from it.

And I think that's kind of another element of why grounding works so well is you're taking in energy from the Earth.

But if your energetic system is out of whack, then you're kind of blocking energy from getting where it needs to go.

And I used to do vipassana meditation a lot, and I'd go to those retreats, streets, and I remember there was this quote.

They were like, if you're chasing nirvana, you're going the wrong way.

That's great.

You're constantly chasing the top, the crown chakra, and you're constantly chasing.

I want to have this powerful brain, this powerful consciousness.

You're going in the opposite direction.

What it is, is you have to go deeper into the self, deeper into the root, and it stems naturally from the root.

So you're getting rid of all the blockages, and then you're taking an energy from the earth to connect with the energy above the higher.

And you want that system to be clear.

And it's that spin that ultimately activates this grid of light and brings everyone to a higher level of consciousness, is that every individual needs to focus on themselves.

Like, if you want to save the Earth or you want to save humanity.

It's not about forming a nonprofit.

It's not about, you know, I don't know, getting rid of.

I mean, I think we should get rid of plastic in the oceans.

But that's mostly commercial fishing.

You know, it's like, you know, if you want to choose a banner that you're gonna wave over, I'm.

I'm making the world a better place.

It starts with making yourself a better place.

It starts with removing the blockages that are preventing you from being your fullest self.

And when you become your fullest self, you kind of glow with a totally different, different energy.

When you're not burned out, when you're completely healed.

I mean, even though I think Neil Gaiman is a terrible person, his book Stardust, the.

The star glows when she's happy.

You kind of glow when you.

You reach this level of wholeness within Yourself.

And you've removed these blockages from your own inner being, and that helps you anchor down into this grid of light, and that raises the consciousness of everything.

And so if we think back to the ancients, where they had all of this mysticism around the honeybee, there's a belief like the Fates had everything to deal with.

The Fates and the threads of existence.

They all.

Everything was honey.

Like, they had a goat that had honey, like a tree that had honey.

Everything was honey.

And it's part of this global hive.

And so if we look at ourselves as each a bee within the global hive we have, it's an imperative that we follow our own purpose.

A maiden hive never mistakes herself for a drone.

A drone never mistakes itself for the queen.

They know who they are, they know what their purpose is, and they know what the role is in the greater hive.

And so why.

My.

My invitation to everyone is.

If you are feeling lost, confused, or burned out, this is an invitation to figure out, like, what is your role in the high.

And that way you can reach that higher level of being, and that will ultimately raise all consciousness and make the world a much better place.

Meredith Oke: I love that.

Yes.

And it.

Yeah, I don't really have much to add.

I think that's totally it.

We, you know, I.

In our quest to make the world a better place, if we overlook the internal and getting to really know ourselves on a deep, deep level, all of it.

Right.

Like, if you haven't had that moment where you're, like, really stung by who you truly are and then just decided to move forward and love yourself anyway.

Amber Hargroeder: Well, I mean, the bees do sting, so, I mean, it doesn't mean.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

And going internally, the people who have done that tend to be more effective.

Well, everyone has whatever it is that they want to be doing.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah, everybody has a role to play.

You're here for a reason.

You're in this realm for a reason.

And I mean, I know.

I'm like, you know, being mean about Neil Gaiman.

Obviously, he had a reason.

I mean, he inspired a lot of people, you know, and some people learn some very hard lessons because of him.

But every single individual in this realm has a role to play.

And they are part of the greater web of humanity and existence.

And in order for that web to be its most alive, each member within that realm has to be alive, has to be their most human.

And that's.

That's really, I think, the most important thing.

If you walk away with anything, like, what would make you the most yourself, what is most.

Nourishing to you, to support you becoming the most yourself.

That's.

That's the journey that I think we're all on.

And the more that we're distracted by all the noise around us, the more it pulls us away from that.

And so it's really a call to, like, not change because everything is a disaster, but to change because it feels really good to be yourself without apology.

It feels really good to be like, yes, this is who I am.

This is what I offer.

Like, draw.

It's not necessarily this drawing a line in the sand to a degree of what you're not.

It's looking at, who am I, what am I not?

And what's my role here?

And I think that that inspires so many people.

It's refeeding the fire of the self.

You have to feed that fire.

If you don't feed it, it burns out.

And, you know, I think it.

That's.

That's the mission I'm on, is to help people rekindle that inner fire.

Meredith Oke: I love it.

Amber, thank you so much for coming back.

This has been really fun.

I know.

We'll do it again soon.

That's amberhargrader.com for everyone.

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Everyone's gonna be like, I won.

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Amber Hargroeder: I was gonna change my last name, but then it didn't really roll off the tongue, so I was like, sorry, hon.

Meredith Oke: What's your husband's last name?

Amber Hargroeder: Skinner.

I was like, amber Skinner is not really a thing.

Sorry.

Meredith Oke: Yeah, that has.

Yeah, that.

Amber Hargroeder: Yeah.

Love you.

No.

Meredith Oke: I get it.

Okay.

Amber Hargroeder: All right.

Meredith Oke: Thank you, Amber.

Amber Hargroeder: See you soon.