Meredith Oke: Julie Shanno, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Julie Schanno: Thank you.

Meredith Oke: I'm so delighted to have you here.

And I think the timing is perfect, as we've just been chatting before we hit record.

Sometimes conversations happen, like, right when they're supposed to.

So I'm super excited because we've been back and forth for, like, a year, I think.

And so.

But now is the moment, and this is when it's supposed to happen.

So let's.

So let's start out a little bit with your story.

So you started in as a nurse practitioner inside conventional medicine, and you have traveled some distance from there.

Tell us about it.

Julie Schanno: Yes, well, my training is medical.

At first, I was a nurse, and I had both the honor and privilege to support birth and to be a labor and delivery nurse.

For a lot of years, while I was working as a labor and delivery nurse, I went back and did my master's and did training in adult medicine and women's health, getting a master's degree.

So then I worked as a nurse practitioner.

And maybe I just want to, like, pause on the labor part because I feel like what that gave me, the experience of being a labor and labor and delivery nurse, was it gave me this practice of being with people in really intense times and being in transformative times and being able to hold myself while I'm with another.

So I feel like that work was the foundation for the type of work that I do now.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Oh, that makes so much sense.

That's true.

Because those nurses, you guys are so calm, and the mama's just like.

Especially if it's your first one, you're like, oh, my God.

The dad is like.

And those nurses are like, okay, it's all right.

Yeah, yeah.

That is a definitely.

Yeah, totally.

A spiritual practice.

All right, so you had medical training and spiritual training.

Julie Schanno: Medical training.

Okay.

So medical training and, you know, this beautiful space of labor and delivery taught me a lot.

It taught me a lot about what it is to be in the system.

And there were challenges to that, as a lot of people speak to here, when I went on to do my master's training.

And then I ended up doing nurse practitioner work in internal medicine and women's health.

That was a space where I feel like every part of my journey has sort of been this deep learning as it is for everyone.

And I think the piece that comes forward about my time as a nurse practitioner is that it was the place where I started to recognize that a person's thoughts and belief systems were directly impacting the physiology.

So as I started to Interface, observe, communicate with support patients.

I started to see this theme of like, oh, wow, there is a narrative that goes with or matches, has a resonance to what the person may be experiencing physically.

And so from that awareness I sort of turned it back on myself and I was like, wow.

I started observing my thought forms and I started observing my beliefs and what my intentions were for, like, why did I say this or do this?

What was the sort of like background driver of my behavior and my thought forms.

And so from there what I experienced was like this really, that was a first big shift in observing thought and seeing the direct connection in my own physiology.

And had a huge change, you know, I had a huge change in my relationship to my body.

And then that was sort of this like top down awareness of like, if I don't buy into those thought forms, there is like a real physical freedom that I began to experience.

So, wow, that was kind of my takeaway as a nurse practitioner was observation and then it, and then reflecting it back to myself and shifting and I began being really interested in psychoneuroimmunology.

So kind of on the side, I was like exploring outside with education of like, how is this connected and what do we do in this medical framework to support people from all these angles and being frustrated because there wasn't, you know, there wasn't a great way to support all the parts of the people.

It was just very much like labs and review and adjust medications in 15 minutes.

And so that was something that, you know, was not sustainable for me to be in.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Yeah, the system is just not set up.

There's some, I think maybe some systems you can massage from within to expand the scope, but this one, not so much.

And also, you know, most nurse practitioners don't come away with the insights that you did.

Like, there was some part of you that was primed to have this awareness that, that you could see.

What you could see as in thought forms and belief systems affecting physiology, like that is largely invisible to majority of people, I would say, if, you know, unless they've been really specifically trained in it.

So where did that, where did that lead you next?

Julie Schanno: Well, where that led me was, oh, gosh, what was the next step?

Well, okay, I'll say this.

I moved to Alaska.

That's what shifted so much for me.

And I lived on a small island called Sitka in southeast Alaska.

And so when I went there, there was this immediate shift in my system, there was immediate shift in my body.

I would say that like when I stepped off the ferry to that land I felt my nervous system change.

And there was a realization at that point that I had been operating from like, what I know now to be a pendulation between like dorsal vagal and sympathetic charge, like back and forth from these survival states pretty much my whole life.

And so being in Alaska and being on that land and it was just so remote and pristine, it like allowed me to experience, I think, the first time just like longer periods in ventral vagal and I think in safety.

And what that did is it began to open my perceptual lens.

And I think that's the essence of what I work with now or support people with.

So the safety in the system is what allowed me to expand my perceptual lens beyond what I had known from that place of survival.

And from there I began to experience, gosh, a combination of things, a combination of like, awarenesses that weren't within my paradigm at that time.

Meredith Oke: So it was.

Julie Schanno: Being aware of energy fields and that kind of spontaneously happened.

Awareness of fields, Awareness of, I would call them, you know, people refer to it as downloads or this information that didn't really come through the mental field.

And I was really questioning, like, what is this and what is this about?

And, and simultaneously like, like I listened to some.

Carolyn Mace, who's medical intuitive.

I remember listening to it on CDs.

Meredith Oke: Same.

Julie Schanno: So you know what I'm talking about.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Julie Schanno: And so that, you know, her whole, like, way of presenting the way that our biofield and our biology is connected and our lived experiences, all this, this whole multi dimensional thing really landed for me and that made sense and that, that really helped me see how like the limitation of the medical model and how, you know, how could our lived experience not be impacting our physiology?

So that led me to eventually studying or reading the book Hands of Light that Barbara Brennan wrote.

And at the end of the book, you know, I remember reading it and thinking, oh my gosh, this is like nobody around me at the time was like in my circle, yeah, was really speaking to these things.

So it was almost like this really quiet, like, oh my goodness, all of this exists and there are energy fields and it corresponds with our experience and makes a lot of sense to me, but it still felt kind of on the edge of what I knew at that time or what I had experienced.

So at the end of Hands of Light and I did it just like a really good student would.

I like, filled out all the questions, journaled all my responses for my own inner reflections.

Meredith Oke: And this is from her book?

Julie Schanno: Yes.

And then at the End I saw that there was a school and.

And so that.

That is really what took me to Barbara Brennan School.

And that's a four year program.

And it is a combination of.

I'm like, gosh, so grateful for the foundation of the school because it was a combination of spiritual psychology.

It was a really refined model of how to understand the biofield and how that correlates with our lived experience.

Beautiful biology.

And then it really was a foundation for understanding developmental trauma too.

Meredith Oke: Say a little more about what that is.

Julie Schanno: So we studied through the lens of or.

Barbara Brennan's work included the work of Wilhelm Reich, who was a student of Freud.

And it was understanding how what we experienced at the very beginning of our life set the kind of biological foundation for how the personalities developed.

It's.

It was this.

And that was sort of a flip in my whole perspective at the time.

And actually a really humbling one too, because it was like, wait a minute, you're saying that my entire identity or Persona that I have was built on the foundation of the physiology that was happening and in utero, during birth, first year of life, like that there is a neurochemical foundation that like sort of sets the stage for what we experience through life in our perceptual lens.

Meredith Oke: So incredible.

All right, keep going.

Julie Schanno: There's so much to say.

Meredith Oke: I've read your bio.

I know you didn't stop up there.

Julie Schanno: So yeah, it was, you know, yeah, it was a lot about consciousness.

Like, I think part of what took me there is like, where are we here?

What, what is this whole life thing about?

And who am I?

And it was a way to explore ourselves on many different levels.

So that was a really deep foundation for, for me.

And then I went to travel.

And so there was.

There was a couple years after Brennan that I traveled extensively and I felt very guided.

It was very specific guidance for me to travel to different parts of the world, to take a sabbatical for six months and to go to different parts of the world.

I knew I was starting in Ireland, I knew I was ending in Nepal, but I didn't really know what the middle of that was.

And so it was this sort of fluid journey to different places.

And again, it was like deepening that connection with like we're as humans interfacing with land and the history of the land and the frequency of that through our bodies.

And so what came through from that travel, I would say the overarching teaching in that travel was that our.

And it was an interface with like, you know, I went to Egypt So there was this ancient Egyptian sort of like practices that were there.

There were.

I went to south of France and followed some of the Mary Magdalene kind of historical pieces there.

Went to Ireland, England, Scotland.

So there was this connection to ancient Celtic mythology.

And so what all of them, really, if I encapsulate all of them, what I learned from that was that we have the capacity now to walk through this world with our, you know, spiritual, divine nature and our human merged.

So the path of that was what I saw as this, like, theme that was moving through each one of those.

Well, each one of those pieces.

And I think at that point sort of shifted me into more of like, oh, this is.

There's no destination here.

This is a devotional path.

This is a path that was laid down a long time ago through a lot of ancient teachings.

And the biggest piece that brings me to quantum biology is I realized it was a biological process.

Meredith Oke: That it's okay.

Julie Schanno: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the divine human as this alchemical process of like knowing yourself as a multi dimensional being anchored through the biology.

Meredith Oke: That is exactly how I feel.

And, and I think for myself, I think we all gravitate to where we're more most comfortable on our healing journeys.

So for me, that was a.

It started out with a very mental place, like a cognitive.

Like, I did a lot, a lot of work.

I got really into the work of Byron Katie.

Right.

Where you learn to question your thoughts.

Absolutely transformed my life, like, because I was able to make decisions as opposed to being reactive all the time.

Yeah.

And then I moved into, you know, much deeper spiritual work over years of, you know, looking at all the things that our, our mind, our consciousness wants, you know, the.

Our mind wants to hide from us.

And allowing myself to become conscious of it to the point where I was actually quite comfortable doing really uncomfortable spiritual work like you talked about.

Oh, well, what if I turned it back on myself?

Like, I was like, always like, what's my part in this?

Where am I?

You know, how am I showing up?

And then I got chronic fatigue because I wasn't tending to my biology.

Julie Schanno: Right.

Yes.

And that's exactly.

Thank you.

That's exactly what I experienced was that.

Yeah, it was this depth and continual, like, deepening into all this work that you just spoke.

Spoke to so beautifully.

I'm like, yep, that's exactly what happened.

And, and this is what kind of leads to what I feel like is so important for the time that we're in now as a collective.

After that travel, I came back to where I was still Kind of doing travel, nursing, and always, like, really devoted to, like, how do I keep myself in this work?

How do I keep myself.

Keep integrating?

And I got the strongest message that said, you can expand no further without integrating this through your nervous system.

Meredith Oke: Wow.

Julie Schanno: And I was like.

But I, you know, there was resistance because I felt like I've done so much work and.

And yeah, like, how.

Why is my body doing this?

So there were a lot of different signals coming from my own nervous system.

And that brought me to the work of Irene Lyons.

And so in 2000, beginning of 2019, I started taking her class, Smart body, Smart Mind, or her course, I should say.

And I was really, you know, I felt like I knew the nervous system.

I was like, I've taught the nervous system.

I've taught stress workshops.

I have that background medically.

So it's like, what is.

Like, I know about the different branches and all the things.

So there was a level again, that was just resistance speak speaking.

Because I knew there was part of me that knew, like, you, you've still got to meet this.

There's deeper material here that you are not going to be able to get to with your mind or any spiritual framework.

It's going to have to come another way.

So what.

And I'm so grateful to her because I had her program on repeat.

You can continue taking it.

And it gave me more capacity because I had done a lot of other types of practices.

I feel like my body was sort of ready to, like, you know, know, things were just popping and coming from the bottom up that were ready to.

To sort of move through.

And so that was really stabilizing.

And, you know, honestly, after having a lot of expansive experiences which we can be sort of addicted to, you know, if they're driven by the survival energy that is the foundation.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Julie Schanno: So if our operating system is still primarily survival and we're like having really expansive experiences, like there's this ricochet back and forth expansion contraction really hard.

Expansion contraction really hard.

And so that nervous system regulation is key because if we experience this, like a lot of information, a lot of energy and frequency, and we don't have the bandwidth or the capacity in the system, we're just going to slam back hard into survival energy.

So that's going to present itself in a myriad of ways that.

Meredith Oke: That is really key, I think, because, yeah, I mean, it almost feels like the path of spiritual growth or healing or health or whatever path, you know, whatever particular journey you're on.

We often do hit a point where we were talking about This a bit before, but it's like, where you hold on really tight to whatever that framework is.

I am never gonna miss a sunrise until the GI jot.

Right?

And it's like, okay, you know what?

Some mornings I'm tired and I sleep in.

And that's just how it goes.

Right.

But we do that with whatever it is, whether it's a spiritual framework, a religious framework, a food framework.

Like, we can get so attached to this framework that has helped us so much.

And is that what you're talking about.

Julie Schanno: Like, slamming back into survival, or how.

Meredith Oke: Would you explain that?

Julie Schanno: Hmm.

I think, you know, this is where I feel like the study of characterology and developmental trauma was really helpful for me to see this bigger picture of.

Meredith Oke: This.

Julie Schanno: And this has helped me to neither identify with myself as traumatized or deny that there is a lot of survival operating is that we incarnated into a planet that's been at war.

It's been operating from scarcity, extraction, colonization, separation for thousands of years.

And our bodies aren't separate from that.

So on some level, we are all holding a level of survival in our operating system from the beginning.

But what we're also holding is awareness of our true nature.

I feel like that is also in the physical body, and that's where water becomes so important.

And that consciousness and water are deeply, deeply interconnected.

That's our way.

So it's like our body holds the imprint of survival, and it also holds the blueprint of who we are.

Meredith Oke: And we are on a journey.

Navigating.

Julie Schanno: Yes.

Meredith Oke: All right, so you mentioned water, as you have also studied.

I forget what you called it.

Continuum movement.

Julie Schanno: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: Okay, so tell us about that and how that integrates into everything else you've just laid out for us.

Julie Schanno: Yeah.

So, gosh, how do I.

There feels like some pieces that want to come before that.

Meredith Oke: Okay, you.

If.

If there are pieces, if I've jumped ahead, you.

You go with your.

Yeah, go with your intuition here.

What do we need to know next?

Julie Schanno: So I think, again, one of the things that I did not mention, there were a lot of pieces that brought me to Brennan, but one of them that stick out and it's going to circle back to this.

That was really important that took me to Brennan was when I had bodywork, Rolfing.

At one point, I had a whole Rolfing series.

So, you know, that's the movement of the fascia and kind of working with fascial restrictive patterns, which are protective patterns.

Right.

And in that experience, there was a body memory that came forward around the.

In Utero experience, which obviously I have no conceptual memory of that.

Our brains weren't developed when we were in utero, but our bodies were developing.

And so we were receiving information from the environment.

We were receiving information from our mother and her surroundings, her neurochemical information.

That was all being sort of, you know, we're kind of bathing in that as we're developing in utero.

And so I had a memory.

It was from the very beginning.

And so that was part of what brought me to Brennan.

And then at the end of Brennan, it's like I kept going back to that part because I knew I was like that.

I wasn't trying to go back to it, but it kept presenting itself as like this is the foundation of, of how everything else came into being.

So our, our physiologic foundation kind of is translated emotionally.

It's translated through our thought forms, our belief system, our worldview, our identity.

So if we're all on some level, different degrees, not minimizing the unique experiences that every human has had on this planet, if we're all operating from some level of survival at the foundation, then there is a deeper level, or I would say a bottom up level of work.

That.

And that's what had actually called me was like, how do I go back there?

Because I feel like back there at the beginning is where the imprint got laid down at the beginning of life, but it's also where the blueprint is.

And so that led me into continual movement, which is, you know, bottom up work.

It's really given space for the body to teach us what's happening.

It's gosh, it's such a multi dimensional.

It feels like minimizing to call it a modality because it feels like such a sacred, ancient practice that was, you know, I just want to honor the person that brought it through is Emily Conrad, who's.

Who passed in 2014.

But she brought this through in the 60s.

She was a dancer and author.

And really her work was about how the consciousness, how our true nature interfaces with biology.

There it is.

And a way to meet that as an experience, not a concept.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

And there it is.

The experience, the integration of it in actual life, in the, in this moment.

And even healing, I can, you know, even healing work to some extent.

I can jump out and.

And it's like, oh, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna do this and then I'm gonna get better at it.

I'm like.

And it's like, okay, well, okay, Meredith.

Where like just pretend everything's all Better right now.

Like, where are you?

Why are you like, what, what is this?

And I'm like, right.

It's to experience the moment.

Like, okay, so just do that.

But we, yeah, we kind of want to run from it.

So talk to me about bringing that into experience because that is truly, I think, where the meaning is.

Julie Schanno: Yeah, yeah.

I feel like what's coming forward in this moment is, you know, when you were just speaking to like spiritual practice, for example, what I kind of connected the dots with through Irene's work and then into Continuum, which, you know, it just got deeper and deeper was that, oh, there was this realization that a lot of the spiritual practices that I had been doing were actually dissociative.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so, you know, not to like, none of this is to, to say that any part of our journey is bad or wrong.

I just feel like we get these opportunities that call us to refinement.

And so I look at, you know, the struggles that I've had with health or hitting the wall and realizing that I have to integrate this, that for my body to anchor consciousness is a different call.

And that, that, you know, was very humbling.

I wouldn't trade any of those experiences that brought me to that.

So that being said, there are these moments of discomfort where those frameworks or those practices become limiting and we realize there's a call for more.

Meredith Oke: Right, yeah.

Because we really, we really love to make it all about one thing, don't we?

Julie Schanno: That's comfortable and that's, you know, I think that's part of what we're talking about at the beginning.

We need to feel safe enough to explore ourselves because we're all very vast.

Meredith Oke: Yeah, yeah.

Julie Schanno: That's our true nature.

It's vast.

And so for us to explore that in a way that the body can tolerate, it has to be this sort of gentle expansion.

Gentle expansion.

If we go too fast outside of our frameworks, there is a ricochet into survival energy.

We just pop right back to that operating system that was set up from the beginning.

So it's.

Yeah.

Integration, you know, to me has, has required bottom up work and it's required a deepening and for me to move from, you know, because I think on the, on the path, especially when you start exploring spiritual concepts and expanding your perspectives, there can be this sort of drive, our destination orientation, you know, or like there's this push behind it which is survival energy.

And so that shift into more.

This is a process, it's devotional.

This is as long as I'm on the planet, I'm going to be integrating.

There is no place to get to that has been, oh my gosh, so helpful.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Julie Schanno: Once I could surrender to that.

That's been extremely helpful.

And I'm like, oh, okay, it's right here.

You know, everything is here.

And what keeps me, you know, that I think the foundation of every spiritual practice is like how do we be fully present in the moment?

And what takes us out of present moment is that kind of looping survival energy.

It's like being pulled back into the past, it's being propelled into the future.

And it's really like if we're here now, we have access to everything or there's the potential for access to everything.

And to me this is a place where the ordinary becomes extraordinary.

Where there's no like, again this.

There's a lot of like glamorization of spirituality.

There's a lot of.

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there.

So the simple has actually been an anchor to me in a way that bottom up work has allowed more fully anchor in the everyday.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

And when, when you say bottom up work, are you talking about getting into the body?

Julie Schanno: Yeah.

Thank you.

It's like sometimes you don't know if you so bottom up, like just.

Let's just say what's top down?

Bottom.

Top down is like frameworks that, you know, you're observing yourself from thought, maybe feel an emotion.

You're looking at behaviors and the origin of those behaviors, where does that come?

You're understanding yourself from here and then you're kind of processing and you may go into emotion and maybe even into the body.

With some bottom up work is going to the body and learning the language of sensation.

And it's allowing what's present.

It's allowing ourselves to really connect to sensation in a way that allows maybe old survival energy to have a space to come forward for integration.

And that may look like movements and that may look like emotion and that may look like intense sensation.

But survival energy just wants to complete itself.

And there's a way that, you know, slowing down to feel.

And I found this in Irene's courses too.

It can be really uncomfortable at first.

Yeah, can be really uncomfortable because that which, you know, we may have been avoiding comes forward, you know, sometimes in an intense way.

And we slowly through bottom up work, build the capacity to feel strong sensation.

We build the capacity to feel strong emotion.

We're not trying to be calm all the time.

We're building a system that's resilient and able to move through stressors.

And not like, hold it and have it recycle through and inform our emotions and our thoughts and our world.

Because to me, it's like this survival energy is the origin of division that's happening now.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's, It's.

It's amped up on purpose.

I feel like.

Like we're manipulated on purpose to amp those things up.

Julie Schanno: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: But then.

And I kind of.

I kind of said this on social media last week, which I don't normally do, but I did.

But then it's like, it's like, okay, fine, we're ninjas.

We will take that trigger.

Julie Schanno: We will take that trigger into our.

Meredith Oke: Survival energy and we are going to work with it.

As opposed to letting it run.

Run roughshod over us.

Julie Schanno: Yes.

And projecting it and like, contributing to more chaos.

It's like there's a level of responsibility we, you know, there is.

That we can assume that actually frees us ultimately from.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Julie Schanno: In that.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Julie Schanno: So we get entangled.

It's like our survival energy that we have not acknowledged that is running us is the way that we're vulnerable to that polarization we experience externally.

Like, if we get looped into that over and over, it's our charges that are kind of keeping us in that.

And so we, when we begin to say, okay, you know, and again, when we get to the top down, bottom up, I think there is a place for both.

And that's ultimately what we need.

We need.

We need a conceptual framework.

We also need a safe way to explore the body slowly.

But if we take responsibility for that energy that's coming up in the form of a trigger, say some like, we have lots of things that we can potentially be triggered by right now.

And instead of staying in that, like, righteousness that comes from fight energy or overwhelming collapse that comes from the dorsal vagal branch that says, oh, it's hopeless.

There's nothing I can do.

If we take responsibility for the charges that are coming up in the moment as ours and learn how to move them through the system, we're not ruled by them anymore.

Is the ultimate right.

The ultimate.

Because we're not ruled by them.

And we don't necessarily.

Yeah.

It's not a denial that the chaos in the world is happening, but we're not entangled in it all the time.

And we are able to have an existence that is.

Acknowledges that, but that is not feeding it.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

And we can make choices of how to part, how to effectively participate or not.

And I always like to think of, you know, that it gives Us, the ability to focus on building things and doing things like you've built.

You are building this beautiful body of work.

Right?

And that is something that you can focus on that's real and meaningful as opposed to having our, our meaning and our reality created by all of this external chaos.

So walk us through.

Okay, so let's pretend.

Okay.

I'll give you something that triggers me.

I see somebody who's done a really, a lot of work in research to bring forward a very coherent argument about why certain changes should, should or could be made, let's say, in the American medical system, for example.

And that person gets treated as though they are an enemy.

And there's all different like flavors of how they try to take the person down.

They tell, they say that they're a quack, or they say that they're wrong, or they say that it's pseudoscience, or they say they're a bad person, or they say, you know, like whatever.

Julie Schanno: There's a whole little toolkit of ways.

Meredith Oke: To discredit someone that they pull from.

And so I, when I see that happening about something and I know that that person is, is directionally accurate and probably closer to the truth than anyone else on that topic, I'm like.

Julie Schanno: Yes.

Meredith Oke: Okay, so Julie, help me.

What do I do?

Julie Schanno: Well, you know, one of the things that I've worked with people, it's gosh, working with anger and that fight.

You know, there is a health to that.

There is a liberation of energy that happens when we're able to meet that charge of fight in our systems and allow it to move through the body.

And really what I find with, with anger or even rage is that there can be.

Because the charge is so big, we can disconnect from it, we dissociate from it from the charge and it goes up and out.

And that can be energetically up and out.

It can be projected onto another person and more fight, more conflict, more.

But if we learn gradually to move that down, and I would say ground the charge and work with the system, and I don't think this can be too prescriptive.

It has to be a practice of meeting your body that it can organically begin to know how to do this.

But ultimately how you work with the charges, can you move it through your system?

And if I were guiding you like in a one on one situation and you were, of course, we don't want to like conjure it.

It's like when it's here.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Julie Schanno: When it's alive, can you be with another coherent enough person that you can meet that charge and allow it to move all the way through the system.

And when that happens, something really shifts in the system.

It's like a reclamation of yourself that reinforms the way you are even perceiving the reality in front of you.

Meredith Oke: Right, yeah, that's so true.

Because I don't want to, you know, gaslight myself and be like, oh, it's fine, everything happens for a reason.

Like, no, this is deeply enraging behavior.

Yeah.

So it's not.

So acknowledge that.

Okay, and then what?

Julie Schanno: Yes.

So it's.

And that's where the bottom up work has been so powerful because a lot of the, again, spiritual frameworks or psychological frameworks, sometimes there can be a sort of.

I shouldn't.

There could be a way that we still prevent ourselves from really feeling the charge.

And that charge is ultimately liberating.

And I think there is a lot of anger in the collective.

And if we use that and we feel that and we build the ability to actually move that through the system, it becomes empowerment.

You know, if we suppress it, if we're like, oh, I'm gonna keep my vibe high and I don't have anger, it goes somewhere.

And so there's either it gets repressed, stuffed in an organ, stuffed in some fascia, you know, it's going to express a lot of different ways or we're going to reactively deal with it.

So we're going to project it out on others and externally have conflict and, and pain ultimately.

So to me, the medicine is feeling it through and then there is new perspective that comes through that.

Meredith Oke: Yes, yes.

And then we, we take action from, from that place.

Julie Schanno: Yes.

Meredith Oke: Which is going to be a totally different type of choice.

Okay, so let's, let's talk about like how your understanding of quantum biology plays into all of this.

Julie Schanno: So.

Yes, what from continuum movement and that practice that I've been like deeply connected to for the past three, going on four years now as a way to integrate, it's just another way.

There's iron Lyons work, there's a lot of different somatic bottom up modalities that are available for people to work with this through that practice of continuum, in the deepening into that there, there is a connection that you have to yourself on many different levels.

And we're exploring the fluid system.

Meredith Oke: To.

Julie Schanno: Kind of be reinformed and access this intelligence that is in our bodies.

That is our body.

And so from that practice is actually open the doorway to like come across quantum biology, which was this scientific foundation for what we're Experiencing through the body.

So the way that I'm working with that now or the way that that's informing what I'm doing is it's giving sort of this.

What did I call it, I called it earlier, this understanding of biologically what we need to be able to move through this time with coherence or to create more coherence biologically.

So for me, that means nervous system capacity.

There's a level of nervous system capacity that we need.

There is mitochondrial voltage that's needed.

And then there's also access to the fluid fascia system.

These three that are needed for us to be able to both integrate the old survival energy and then open and integrate the newer frequencies that are coming through right now.

Meredith Oke: So good.

That is.

Yeah.

I love how you're articulating this, Julie.

I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's.

That's how I'm seeing it.

So talk to me.

Let's talk about, you know, anyone, any one of those pillars or how they work together.

And when.

When you talk about the fluid of.

Julie Schanno: The body.

Meredith Oke: Do you feel like we can have a relationship with that fluid?

Does it.

Does it talk to us?

Yes.

Julie Schanno: I'm like, you know, it's so exciting because the fluid system holds.

Really.

It's a medium for consciousness.

I feel like it holds the original.

Our original true nature, which, whether that lands or not or makes sense to a person, it holds the truth of who we are in that fluid system.

And it's also the medium that needs to be healthy so that we can integrate.

When we're talking about integrating survival energy, whether you're on a spiritual path or whichever way, or just really want to be more healthy, we need all of these three parts as a foundation to be able to integrate.

So what I noticed through my own experience was, okay, I built the nervous system capacity, capacity that's growing and that's a continual process.

But what I noticed through quantum biology is it's like, oh, I don't have enough voltage.

And so what came forward also was light therapy.

And that has, along with circadian biology and.

And being aligned with light that supports and creates safe.

More safety in the body.

It's building this voltage in the system.

So the relationship between voltage and nervous system capacity has.

Is getting more and more clear of how we can't have one without the other.

And then also, again, there's going to be the fluid fascia system too, that allows it to all communicate.

So what I noticed in myself was if I had capacity, but I didn't have voltage, then there's like a calmness maybe that's available or more regulation is available.

But then there can be this sort of backslide into fatigue or there could be a backslide into even maybe depression for some people.

It's like going to go back into this parasympathetic.

And what I also noticed with the mitochondria is if a person, for example, begins doing a lot of these biohacking things, for example, which again, no make wrong.

But if it just approaching it from biohacking without nervous system capacity, what I would notice is, oh, they're building a bunch of voltage, but it doesn't have the capacity to run through the nervous system.

So that's gonna present as like a lot of anxiety, insomnia, revving, incoherent messaging through the system.

So it's like energy was nowhere to go.

It's like a bunch of charge moving through an old wire, an old electric wire.

So this relationship started to kind of like become more and more clear through my own exploration and through what I've learned from quantum biology collective.

And then that moves us to the fluid fascist system.

And I think one of the analogies that's come forward, forward for me that may support here to understand these three pieces is like I look at the nervous system as the conductor.

It's like we're looking at it from a music lens.

The nervous system as the conductor, it's guiding how we experience things.

Depending on what state we're operating from moment to moment.

That's like going to determine how we experience life.

And then the mitochondria would be the musicians.

They're the ones producing the music, guided by the nervous system.

The fluid and fascia system to me would be the acoustics.

It would be the way that the sound, the energy, the frequency moves through the whole system.

So if you're missing one of those or not tending to one of those, what I notice is there's a lack of balance that can happen and it may present in these different ways.

Meredith Oke: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

And I know everyone's now like thinking of that person who's an example of each one of those and reflecting on their own journey and where they've been in that, in that place.

And this is.

Yeah, it gives like a very, you're.

You're providing like a very holistic framework.

I think for us to think of all this, to think of this through and, and to me that's like.

And this is my experience of the, of the scientific concepts of quantum biology is that that's what they.

That's what it gave to me.

It's like, oh, every.

I like, it's all.

It's like the interconnected web of our existence being like being represented in this model.

Not that we want to like get all obsessive with it, but it, it's something, it's a guiding force in some ways.

I know, right.

Julie Schanno: And what I found, it's really anchoring because there is a practical application.

There are practical ways to support these.

These three that are not complicated or expensive and like I want better health.

These three are going to be.

Now obviously there's gut and my obvious.

There are more things here, but this foundation is like easy to support.

Knowing I feel like my own interface with nature is just like even more amplified.

Knowing that every cell in my body has a clock.

And when I'm expressing, exposed to the different bandwidths of light in the morning, my body is getting the message that says make this neurotransmitter, release this hormone.

It's like my connection to the rhythms of nature are directly supporting my physiology in these precise ways.

That's like fun for me.

And I feel like I engage with it on a much different level now.

So these are things like, oh, blocking artificial light at night, like knowing the relationship between, between melatonin and cortisol.

And if I am looking at a computer at 9 o' clock at night before I go to bed, that's gonna like be signaling.

It's the middle of the day, make more cortisol.

I'm gonna have disrupted sleep.

I'm gonna have less repair.

Because melatonin is a.

Is an antioxidant.

It's not just, you know, this thing that makes us sleepy.

So like the repair of the system, you know, knowing dark and light cycles and being able to, to be more precise with those is like signaling safety in itself.

Like when we're in align alignment with rhythms, light and dark and seasonally rhythms of that.

That's like allowing our body to do what it knows how to do, which is ultimately regenerative.

I mean.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Julie Schanno: So yeah, practical ways to support our health and to support our integration.

If you're on that more spiritual path.

It's a way to anchor yourself.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Yeah.

And that's, you know, I mentioned earlier that I was doing all these other things but not tending to my biology.

And for me starting to understand about light was sort of like the door opening to connect.

To connect the spiritual work, to connect the.

The idea of us as multidimensional beings and not just like locked here in 3D.

And then, you know, once you're.

Once you've opened up biology to the quantum world, it's like everything has meaning.

And all of.

All of these concepts start.

I mean, for me, anyway, what happened is they all.

They start to make sense in a coherent way.

And it's not just like, okay, well, my woo woo person says this and my.

And my naturopath says this and my meditation teacher.

It's like.

It's like, oh, it's all.

Julie Schanno: Yes, it's all one.

Meredith Oke: It's all one.

Julie Schanno: Yeah.

And I think that, you know, what strikes me when you say that is like the way that the medical model sort of reflects fragmentation of systems.

It's like they're all.

You have this specialist and that specialist, this organ.

It's all separated.

And when you go to the quantum and we support at the quantum level, where we're seeing how it's all connected versus how and how it's all relational versus, like, this organ does this and this organ does this.

And I'm going to go to this person for this and this person for this.

It's.

It becomes this one system that we can support on all the levels.

Through one level is what it feels like.

So the quantum feels like the foundation for all of it.

And like, true, Truly whole.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Yeah.

And I just, I want to share with you, Julie, because I feel like you've created like the space, the space for something I've been thinking about and I know you're going to understand.

So.

And it.

I've been realizing, you know, and some of this was conscious that, you know, I had.

I had my, my spiritual.

I call it woo, but like, with love.

Like, I love the woo, you know, and then I had kind of my 3D life where I wasn't like super public about my woo.

And then I started this project with.

With quantum biology.

And I felt very called to keep it focused through a.

A scientific lens, so to speak to as.

Because then you're giving me language to understand why I did that.

Right.

Like to anchor it in for people and myself.

When I say people, I include myself in that.

Like, to anchor it in.

Because even though I felt intuitively that the woo was all real without some kind of mechanistic explanation, it didn't.

It wasn't dropping in the way it could.

And quantum physics helped, but it didn't quite.

There was still a gap.

And then when the work of, you know, quantum physics connected to biology, that somehow that anchor dropped in a little bit more deeply.

And so the Way I was ignoring my biology to do other practices, you know, is also ignoring the science.

Like, okay, like, I felt very called to focus on that, and now I feel very called to expand it back out again, to open it back up.

And I feel like you have just done that.

So I just wanted to acknowledge that and say thank you that you're.

For how you are able to, you know, just for who you are, basically.

Julie Schanno: Thank you.

Well, I definitely relate to that too, because I.

I did the biology and then the consciousness, and even in the.

You know, I've done a.

I've done some courses and group work and things like that.

And, you know, the first course I did is interesting.

It was a smaller group, you know, like 12 to 15 people.

And it was like my private space of speaking around or having a group that's interested in doing more spiritual, esoteric things.

And then I also, after that, created a course that was more around nervous system and biology and how our whole identity arises from the biology and helping connect dots with that and then practical ways.

Meredith Oke: But.

Julie Schanno: But I noticed in that I was still like, okay, here's the spiritual and then here's the physiologic.

And now I do feel those.

And I think that's happening for a lot of people.

I'm really seeing people bringing those, bridging the science and the spirituality, because it's not separate.

And I think the more integration we do in ourselves, our creations are going to just show that.

And that's what I hear from a lot of people that have been on this podcast and is.

Through their own.

Their own integration, they're creating things that are holistic, that are bridging both of these worlds.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Yeah.

And I.

I think that there.

Yeah, there's been a shift in the collective consciousness.

Like, enough of.

There's enough people now who've integrated that within themselves, which is then integrating it within the whole, where it's like, yeah, it.

It just makes sense now.

I mean, I think you mentioned you were listening to the telepathy tapes, which I love to bring up, because the fact that that was the number one podcast in America for a couple weeks is like.

It's like tens of millions of people wanting.

Wanting to engage and being really excited about topics that just a few minutes ago, it feels like we're completely locked in the fringe closet.

Julie Schanno: Right, right.

And even in.

I can say even in the last, like, you know, my journey is still relatively.

I feel like I've been immersed for what, 15 years, but at the same time, like, so many people have been doing it so much longer than that.

And I can even see within my time frame of, of like going deeper is that huge shifts have happened.

And so it is really exciting that telepathy tapes.

Is that important?

Because that speaks to like people know that there's more.

Yeah, there's more.

And I think we all know that.

And we've all touched it.

We've all touched the infinite.

And it's.

And it's, you know, at different points in our lives.

But for that to be like, you know, for us to be really deeply human and also connected to the vastness of these different ways of communicating, I think it's fantastic.

And it speaks to what is happening, happening collectively and super exciting.

Meredith Oke: Yeah, no, it is.

It is a wild, wild time.

Like whatever I do, like get into that overwhelm state.

I'm like, listen, listen.

Meredith, babe, you picked this.

I don't know what to say.

You were like, yep, I'm gonna incarnate for this.

Okay.

Yeah, let's go.

Julie Schanno: Yeah.

And then there's almost like meeting that part too where I've been like, oh, that's a lot.

I don't know if you know, like kind of meeting that part of you that your awareness of like, oh, this is why I came.

And then just sort of.

Yeah, that's easier said than done, you know?

Meredith Oke: Yes, right.

Julie Schanno: It is happening.

Meredith Oke: It's like, like when your child wants to do something that like.

Yeah, it's gonna be amazing.

I wanted.

You're like, are you sure?

As the adult you can see how it's going to play out.

I feel like we did that a little bit.

Yeah, yeah.

No, it's going to be really good.

We'll come down for like the greatest shift in consciousness in the history of civilization.

It'll be fun.

Okay.

Julie Schanno: I forgot everything.

Meredith Oke: I don't know which way is up exactly, so.

Good.

So, Julie, share a little bit about your practice, what you offer and how.

Julie Schanno: People can find you or work with you.

Yeah, I am offering.

I have a website that I'll attach here and I thought it would also be good to just attach some information about different types of bottom up work that might support people on their path.

Meredith Oke: Beautiful.

Yeah.

Julie Schanno: I have a couple of things I'm working on right now.

One is foundations of health and it's really speak into this trinity and like even just from a health perspective of like how we support ourselves to move more into our regenerative capacity biologically.

And I'm making that CEU course.

Meredith Oke: Oh, great.

Julie Schanno: For providers.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

Meredith Oke: So anyone who's taken the board exam or is thinking about it.

This will be your.

This will count.

Julie Schanno: Yeah.

The second thing I'm working on is, yeah, no problem is Foundations of Embodiment.

And this is where.

And I could kind of feel my excitement like even as it was like, oh, I want to go to that one because it's really breaking down this connection between like how our biology is processing consciousness, what that interface is, our mitochondria as sensors of the environment, environment, the fluid system as the holder of consciousness, and practical ways to work with that in deeper containers where there's the actual opportunity to do bottom up work and then to metabolize that like emotionally, to metabolize that relationally.

You know, how do we live this and walk this?

How does it become a lived experience versus a temporary experience of an expanded state?

And that's where I feel most passionate is how do we get there?

And yes.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Oh, that sounds so good, Julie.

Julie Schanno: I was like, just curious if anything came forward because that, that's to me the place I'm most excited because I see a lot of people have done a lot of spiritual work and like myself, hit.

Hit that kind of wall in the health level that requires the deepening into the subconscious and the unconscious and like ways to work with that and then ways to metabolize it too.

Because frequency or consciousness, the way I experience these energies move through the system is they have to be anchored biologically, but they also have to be processed emotionally.

They are going to adjust our identity structures and expand them, which is uncomfortable at times.

And they are going to be lived relationally and in relationship with the land.

And so just really having a place for all of those parts to be.

To be held.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Oh, that sounds so good.

Yeah, I love it.

So if people go to your website, is it julie shannon.com it's nature.

Sorry.

Julie Schanno: Live True Nature.

Meredith Oke: Live True Nature.

Co.

And make sure you somehow leave your email address with Julie to stay updated on, on all of these delicious, delightful, much needed programs.

So excited.

Anything, Any last.

Any last words you'd like to share, Julie?

Julie Schanno: Oh, gosh.

Well, I really appreciate this opportunity and yeah, I just love, I love experiencing everyone that's come on this podcast so much.

And I love that there's so many people that are bridging right now.

It's super encouraging.

And yeah, may all of us remember the truth of who we are.

Mmhmm.

All right, thank you.