Meredith Oke: Kathleen Horstmeyer, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Happy to be here.

Happy to be here.

Meredith Oke: I'm just, like, smiling and smiling.

Friends, I've been trying to get Kathleen to do a podcast interview for, like, three years, and she's always like, no, no, no, I don't do that.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Finally, finally, you know, when you're around the big brains that I'm around, I'm like, why would I do this?

But here I am.

Meredith Oke: So here you are.

And I want to say that, first of all, you have a big brain.

Second of all, the people who hang out around the big brains are often more useful than the big brains themselves to certain people.

Right.

Like, not everybody can digest all the things all the time.

And so to hear how the information and the knowledge has been alchemized through you is going to be, you know, it's super helpful.

It's helped me many, many times talking things through with you.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Thank you.

Meredith Oke: Hearing how you explain them.

So, yeah, let's go.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Let's do it.

Meredith Oke: All right, so you've been around the health space for decades.

You did allopathic to naturopathic, naturopathic to quantum biologic.

Like, tell us about that journey.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Okay, well, I'll try to go as quick as I can on that part.

But I started with becoming a respiratory therapist, registered respiratory therapist, and worked in the icu, specifically, mainly in the icu, the ER and in high risk ob, wherever there was drama.

And I did helicopter flights.

You know, I was a young kid who was addicted to stress and drama.

And so wherever I could find that, that's where I was.

Meredith Oke: Lots of adrenaline.

So does that mean if there was a crisis that involved someone having difficulty breathing, you would be brought in?

Is that what that means?

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah, I did the tubing or putting the innovation tubes in them and was responsible for their respiratory care.

And when high risk births came out, I, you know, was.

I got handed the baby straight away to take care of them and get them on a ventilator and, you know, flew people with accidents and, you know, every kind of trauma imaginable to a trauma center.

And so, yeah, I was addicted to the adrenaline trauma.

And then I had also, when I had gone to school for that, there was another thing that you could do, which was cardiac ultrasound, which.

Which is really what I wanted to do.

But you had to do your clinicals far away.

And I had a young son at the time, so that wasn't an option.

But I ended up befriending the instructors, and it ended up.

They let me kind of go through the program unofficially.

And then one of the cardiologists that I worked with as a respiratory therapist, he got interested in that, and I was like, I've always wanted to do that.

So away we went, and we started doing that and started doing ultrasound.

And of everything at that time, it was kind of the wild West.

There wasn't a lot of.

There was protocols for cardiac, but there wasn't a lot for vascular, the rest of the arteries and veins.

So, you know, I'd gone to meetings and, you know, as my life has been, you know, just like one huge blessing after another.

I met.

Turned out I met, and didn't know it at the time, the head of the University of Washington's vascular surgery program.

And he was, in fact, the head guy that was making up.

Not making up, but researching diagnostic criteria for the entire world on how to use ultrasound in a diagnostic way for vascular, veins, arteries, everywhere in the body.

And he ended up asking me if I wanted to come be part of that, which was a miracle.

Meredith Oke: That's incredible.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: So you were part of the team that was really pioneering this technology to be used in this way.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes.

And we didn't really have, at that time, even diagnostic.

We didn't even really have a university curriculum set up.

So I was sort of their guinea pig, and I was the baby of the group.

You know, everybody was in their 40s, 50s, some people in their 60s, and I was in my 20s.

So I was the guinea pig and got to do research and take different courses.

So we figured out what would be proficient for a person to do what we were creating, how to get a degree in it.

So anyway, I had that.

And then also in that circle was, like, the other big guy was Dr.

Eugene Bernstein out of Scripps Research Clinic in La Jolla.

And I went down there to a meeting and ended up not knowing, again, who this guy was that I started chatting with.

And he offered me to come down and work with them in their research clinic.

And he was putting another piece of that puzzle together.

So I had just this, you know, like, amazing gift to work with these two guys and ended up coming out of that as really one of the top people in the country.

And I was the baby of that.

The rest of the people were, like I said, in their 40s and 50s.

And so from that, then I went on to run a very large diagnostic cardiology and vascular diagnostics in Indiana, where I was living at the time.

And I trained surgeons and cardiologists from all over the world in how to do that.

And then I was also a physician extender for that group and read their studies as well.

So I was deeply entrenched in the allopathic world and loved it, I did.

And then I had my second child way later than my first and I delivered him when I was 40.

And after that, shortly after that.

And I've always been like, extremely healthy, like a health nut, exercise fanatic.

And when I had him, I noticed I was, you know, I was really.

All of a sudden I was tired.

I was so tired I started losing my hair and I.

And anyway, ended up going and finding out I had hypothyroid and, and they, and.

And, you know, I'd never been on the other end of the stick.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: I'd always been.

Meredith Oke: You were always the person called in in an emergency.

You were the person training the doctors.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Let me tell you.

But.

But while somebody was telling me what to do and, and that there was something wrong with me, and that was a real eye.

Meredith Oke: And.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: It didn't really work.

And they just kept.

My doctor just kept adding medicine and medicine and it wasn't really working.

Meredith Oke: So you were just at your family doctor, your gp?

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes, yes.

Meredith Oke: So they diagnosed the condition.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: I went and got.

Because I didn't have a doctor, I didn't need a doctor.

Meredith Oke: You were always healthy.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Right.

And so with that, I started doing my own investigation because it didn't seem like they really knew.

And I started researching, of course, and it seemed like, you know, well, okay, so why do you have hypothyroid?

And why does this medicine not work?

Or work sometimes or a little bit.

So it started me down a path and that just kept going and I ended up reading Dr.

Blalock's book on toxic brains and learning about MSG and all the things.

And anyway, I ended up going through my cupboards and I took basically everything out of it because every.

Almost everything that's packaged has it had it in it.

So I put it out on my table and I told my friends and family that came over, I'm getting rid of this stuff.

If you want it, take it.

But this is why I'm not going to use it.

They all thought, of course, I was crazy.

And anyway, that.

And that just kept going like that.

Meredith Oke: One thing led to the other.

Yes, okay, If MSG in my brain has an effect.

Oh, what about this?

Oh, what about this?

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Then I got into the dyes, and of course, we use a lot of dye in diagnostics.

And I started kind of just waking up really, and seeing what we were Doing.

And for the most part, or really probably nearly 100%, is nobody.

You're trained.

This is what you do, and that's what you do, and this is how we do it.

And I started stepping out of that and seeing just a whole different way of thinking and then also the political part of it.

And I won't go too deep into this because I don't want to get you in trouble on your podcast here, but what happened in 1913 when so many things were changed by a particular foundation that came in and changed the medical schooling, kicked out the nature pass, brought in licensure, made the irs, made the, you know, just the banking system, the whole thing made the American Cancer Society was developed in 1913.

Then they took over the food and everything else.

And so I kind of felt like I was discovering something.

It seemed like no one knew.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Of course they did.

Meredith Oke: Is this.

Is this a Rockefeller stuff?

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

So anyway, it was sort of like waking up in the Matrix, and you're in the Matrix and all your people are in the matrix, but you're kind of unplugging.

And anyway, that's how I then got into the naturopathic.

I just started looking at more and more and more things and just took on a whole different color than what I thought I was in.

Not that, you know, all of those things don't help in certain situations.

I wouldn't say that, but there are better ways and certainly.

And then I started down the better ways and started studying the naturopath.

I'm also married.

My husband's a medical doctor and a dentist, and he's never been into allopathic stuff.

Like, I was always like, why don't you?

You should.

And he's like, no, I.

You know, I don't really like drugs.

Meredith Oke: Good for him.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

He was always on the outskirts of.

Of that, and I was always, like, trying to kick him in, like, you know, get in there and, you know, you're brilliant.

You just.

You need to just start using.

Learn how to use these protocols better or more.

So we started both then looking into the naturopathic stuff, and I looked at the schools in.

There's a school, or was a school actually a licensed school in Connecticut, and it went out of business.

And then one in which I had started and then one in Chicago, and.

Meredith Oke: These are naturopathic schools.

Naturopathic colleges.

Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes.

And they were.

They were licensed program, which, you know, that was my orientation, was to be licensed and.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Because in the allopathic world, that's required like you can't do anything unless you're licensed.

But now we're in the new 13.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: That's when they brought in the licensure.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And I have the utmost respect for the people who have gone through that.

However, there was a purpose in the licensure that came about in 1913 and that was control.

It was to control.

Because ultimately now.

And now we're, we.

We saw it four or five years ago that then they have control over, you know, you.

Where you can work.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

If you're not following practice, if you don't stay within their right parameters.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Right.

Meredith Oke: Your license is revoked and you can no longer earn a living.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And it never used to be that way.

You know, before that don't.

Doctors and nature paths went.

Went to medical school and then they had their internships and that was their, their badge of, you know, I'm.

I know what I'm doing.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And that.

So that got turned upside down.

So anyway, telling you that story is because then I thought, you know, I don't think I want another license.

And my husband agreed.

So we went then to a place called Trinity.

At that time it was a university.

It then got.

They downgraded themselves to a school or to a college and then to a school.

And we went through.

That's where we finished when we, both of us got our naturopathic doctorates.

And then we went to the anma, the American Naturopathic Medical Association.

We took their boards for our board certification.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: So we're sort of, you know, we, we.

We very much are supportive of.

Of that system because it's not controlling the person and what they can do.

Like, they can't take my certification from me.

Meredith Oke: They can't take it away.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: No, no, it's.

Meredith Oke: And I had a really interesting conversation with the president of the anma.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: Who you introduced me to.

And yeah, that was sort of the backbone of his approach and have his understanding of the importance of that organization.

And he was like, there are two ways to go.

There's the licensing way and the certification way.

And he said licensing is important and it serves a purpose and it keeps standards high.

But he said, however, yeah, there is a control mechanism in there where it also can stop people from practicing the way they want to or the way their own research and experience has led them to because it's contradicting the rules of their licenser body.

Licensing body.

Whereas a certification also, you have standards and you have to make.

You have to, you know, meet the same or similar standards, but you can't take anything away from people.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Right, right.

And so what it excludes us from doing is, you know, we can't order drugs.

So it worked out.

Meredith Oke: So that works out.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: So your husband then is an m.

Has a.

Is a medical doctor, a dentist and a naturopath.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Correct.

Meredith Oke: All right, and then you are a naturopath plus the.

All of your other medical training.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Registered respiratory therapist and a registered vascular specialist.

Yeah.

Meredith Oke: All right.

It's a lot of trading in your household.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: It's like, it's ridiculous.

It's silly.

Meredith Oke: What do you guys talk about at dinner?

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Bitcoin.

Good choice.

Meredith Oke: Good choice.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: So anyway, that's the path we got down and loved it.

And then we ended up.

We had built this, you know, we had 80 acres in Indiana, built this massive, like, 8,000 square foot home with suites in it for the purpose of having a retreat center.

Meredith Oke: Oh, wow.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And then we also had a retreat center for horses.

We were a horse rescue as well.

So we were rescuing everything, including ourselves.

Meredith Oke: I've done.

Wow.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

So.

And it allowed me.

I was able to homeschool my son, our youngest son.

And it also, because I was then moved from working all the time at the hospital to I read studies from home with, you know, all the Internet and all the fast speeds and all that that came in.

So then I was home and I could start.

We could open up our naturopathic clinic and I could do the horse rescue and homeschool.

So that was.

Meredith Oke: That's a full plate.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: It was.

It was, yeah.

Meredith Oke: So you were reading the studies for the vascular for the surgeon and the cardiologist?

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah, and then I went in, you know, a few days a month and ran meetings and.

And did teaching.

When all the new fellows would come in, I would go in and do classes for them.

Meredith Oke: Right, and then go back to your.

And then go back to your patients and your homeschooling.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: What a robust life.

I love it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: It really did start being.

Feeling like the Matrix, like, you know, when I'd go back in, because then, you know, all the drugs and everything that I had been, you know, recommending and supporting and encouraging people to use, I.

I started, you know, trying to talk to my.

My colleagues and they were like, what are you smoking?

And I was like, well, you know, just consider this and that.

And they, they would just laugh at me.

So.

And I got it because I.

I had a doctor when I was younger that was kind of into all of this and we used to make fun of him and I think of him all the time because I Became him.

And I thought, oh, yes, here we go.

Some karmic stuff straight away, right away.

Meredith Oke: So funny how that happens.

Yeah.

We've become the thing we rolled our eyes at.

And then one day we're like, oh, yes.

Oh, yes, the idiot.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Yes, yes, yes.

Yeah.

So then it was about 2015 or 16 now, I think.

2015, 2016.

And I came across.

Because there was.

It was.

For me, it was always, I love learning.

I love it.

It's.

I could probably say there's a little bit of an addiction there to learning.

Meredith Oke: Yeah, we all got a touch of that.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

So I, I came across Jack.

Jack Cruz, which so many of us, you know, did.

And he started, you know, he was extreme and wild, which was a little like, oh, I hate this.

Oh, I like this.

Oh, I, you know, it was jarring and.

And then, And I loved, you know, I, you know, was in full time with that group and looked at all of this stuff and it was just mind blowing for me.

I was just, oh, my gosh, this really is the missing piece.

But I couldn't really grab it all the way.

It was sort of like, it was just like that, you know, that far from me.

And I couldn't really grab hold of it.

And then along came Meredith Oak and the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology.

And I had, you know, become a member of your quantum TV and then heard of, you know, your program.

And by then we had sold our.

Our place in Indiana, moved back to where I'm from in Coeur d', Alene, Idaho.

And I just helped my best friend pass.

She had cancer and had come back for her.

And so I was like, well, you know, what's my next chapter?

And I was gonna volunteer at a.

It's called Heart of Hope here in town.

And it was a.

It's an alternative medical community that they were caring for people in 2020 and 2021 that, you know, didn't want to go to the hospitals.

And then I signed up and had a call with you and you told me what, you know, what was the institute was about.

And I was like, well, well, yeah, I gotta do that.

So I did, like, literally when I got off the phone, ka ching with the credit card and started the program, I didn't even know there was a cohort.

I just started it.

And I started it on Friday night.

I'm not sure how long I slept, but it wasn't long that weekend.

And I went through.

This is embarrassing, but it's true.

I went through the whole program that weekend.

Like, I Couldn't stop.

I'm laying on my office floor and I'm, you know, laying outside or I'm in the car, but I'm it.

I couldn't stop it.

And then I actually went through with the cohort.

And then in one of your coaching sessions you said, you know, just write these things down.

And I was thinking, well, I'm not going to do this.

This is silly.

Write down, you know, what comes to your mind and what you want to do.

And I thought, no, wait a minute, I'm in this program and I'm gonna do it.

And so I'm gonna do what she's saying.

And I started writing and it just didn't stop.

And it just went and went and went.

And that night I couldn't sleep.

I was so excited about one what I've learned in the program, the quantum biology because I was actually able to touch it as I wasn't earlier from the other from Dr.

Cruz.

And then what I had started writing was this has to get out to the world.

This is the missing piece.

And it doesn't have an expiration date.

It it and it doesn't.

It's free for the most part and the information and it's for everyone.

And there's no respect of person.

There's no pred prejudice of it.

And it's the operating system and all these other things we've been laying on there, allopathic, naturopathic supplements, whatever that your gig is.

We've missed the operating system that those things should be laying on top of.

And so I, I reached out to you and I was like, I, you know, I think this has got to get in the schools.

It's got to get in the in hot.

You know, what, what do you think of this?

And you're like, and you were so, you know, kind like yeah, that's great.

I said I think I've got to get this into the all the nature method school.

You were very encouraging and, and kind and encouraging.

And then I asked you, I said I really want to help, I want to do this and be involved in it.

And you were also kind again.

And I started helping with you know, the getting the school accredited and the certification and all of that.

And it's just been such, such a life changing thing for me.

Another highlight, you know, just again, you're like the doctors I met in the research.

I didn't know.

Meredith Oke: This is a, you know, this is a thread through your life.

You just are your beautiful self, warm and engaging and everyone's like, oh, I would like to work with you, me included.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: That's kind of you to say, but, yeah, it's been such a marvelous ride.

Meredith Oke: That was my experience and, you know, having you.

So for those of you who don't know, like, part of what Kathleen does is, like, facilitate.

You've been facilitating all of the faculty calls inside of the cohort, which is, like, the live piece of the applied Quantum biology certification.

And I love, like, you're just, like, the perfect person to do that and hold the space for people and help, you know, help people bring all their questions through.

And you have heard, because I used to sit on the calls, and then we met, and I'm like, oh, Kathleen should sit on the calls.

And so, like, one of my favorite things is when we check in and you tell me, like, oh, my gosh, these calls are so good.

These people are so amazing.

These questions are so good, and the answers are just blowing my mind.

So, like, tell me, sort of tell me what that was like, because you've been sitting in listening to people bring their specialized training and experience from whatever their field is and, like, watching in real time as they integrate it with this quantum biologic operating system.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah, well, I, you know, I really is my greatest honor.

And I, you know, and.

And I don't do anything, you know, like, I've told you a monkey could do this.

You know, I.

I just sit there and I get to listen to these just, you know, the faculty, they're just the most wonderful people, the smartest people.

And it just, you know, almost three years of doing this.

Every time I'm just.

Every single call, I'm just amazed at what comes out.

And to the same degree, the people that are coming through it.

You know, we have artists, we have physical therapists, we have OB GYNs, we have anesthesiologists.

We just had a orthopedic surgeon, eye doctors, health coaches, people working with horses.

I mean, it's very.

And you're thinking.

And I'm always thinking when I hear them, because we do a welcome call, and I hear what they do, and I think, wow, I wonder what they're, you know, how are they going to use?

I wonder what they're going to do or what they're going to ask.

And it's always so deep, so wonderful.

And I mean, I don't know.

And I know we have talked about so many different things that have come out.

One we were just talking about was our anesthesiologist that went through the program and another cohort person that has gone through the program, had discovered high levels of some things in her HTMA testing and is went to a super, super smart, excellent physician and even stumped them.

And.

But through what our anesthesiologist who went through this program and then discovered in being an anesthesiologist and what that does, it answered the question for this person not to get into the details of it, but that's just one of the, you know, so many things people, another person in particular, she, her husband has had a stroke and it was in a nursing home long term care.

And she was a practitioner and committed to doing everything she could.

And she came through the course, took the information to then share with the nursing homes long term care facilities about lights that are left on all night and what that does for circadian rhythms.

And it's just changing so many things.

School, teachers, we have a home designer that's designing homes to make us stay in our natural rhythms.

And gosh, it just goes on and on.

It's so amazing.

Meredith, what you and Jason have done, it's just wow, what a legacy I feel, I mean truly.

And now we have a board certification for our practitioners that they can get, they can become board certified in quantum biology.

Be a board certified quantum biology practitioner.

Oh, does the world not need more of that?

Meredith Oke: Yes.

And thank you for your role in that.

You are really instrumental in making that happen.

And I, you know, I love what you're saying because that's my favorite part of doing this too.

Right.

Is like people come in, as I was saying before, like they come in with their expertise, their knowledge, what their specific background, then they learn the operating system and then they make these connections.

So I think like one of the cases you're referring to, like Dr.

Rachel Maurice came through, who she has decided to leave her licensing for all of the reasons we discussed.

But she was an MD in Canada and she practiced anesthesiology.

She started looking at health through the quantum biologic lens.

And one of the discussions was around fluoride and how that, you know, stops our body from holding a charge and stops our body from making structured water that which is what we need to.

Right?

And so she's listening, so she's learning this.

And then she's on a call with Carrie Bennett and she's like, oh my goodness, almost all anesthesia is filled with fluoride.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Right.

And most all medications are.

Meredith Oke: And like.

And so there was this moment where everyone was thinking about the struggles that people have post op, post operatively.

And all of a sudden this huge Puzzle piece was revealed.

And especially certain people, for DNA reason, genetic reasons, might have even a harder time getting the fluoride out of their system.

Yeah, but it was just one of those.

I remember one of those moments right after that call, you were like, meredith, that's the fluoride.

And we were like, oh my gosh.

So now everyone who comes through is like empowered with that understanding.

So if they have a client or a patient who's struggling post operatively, like, that's something that they can take into, take into account.

It's.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes.

Meredith Oke: And so cool.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes, it is.

It is.

And people will say to me, is there anything that, that.

Because you can, you know, the questions range from very esoteric things to really deep science.

Or I have this client who, you know, X.

And our faculty, boom, there, it's right there.

And I've had so many of the people in the cohorts ask me, is there anything that they don't know?

I'm like, well, you know, I think in I don't know how many hours I've listened to, you know, now.

Many, many.

I think I can think of two where the faculty person said, you know, I don't know, but this is where I would refer you to.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: That'S amazing.

Meredith Oke: It's pretty amazing.

And the like.

Because what, you know, I mean, the core of the, of the questions is like, okay, here's how I understand things from the level that I was taught at.

What does it mean to drop down into the subatomic level, Drop down into the quantum level?

And so when you have people who live there, who live and breathe from that level, that's just where everything makes sense to them.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes, they're so amazing.

I just, I can't say enough about them.

Meredith Oke: And not just from reading papers, but from actually working with clients.

Clients.

Because that is a criteria to be faculty.

It's like you have to actually work with people.

Because I've listened to people who like, well, the research says this and then they'll make like an all encompassing recommendation for everybody.

And it's like, okay, it's like those books that say, do this and your baby will never cry.

Well, the baby.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And they've never had a baby.

Meredith Oke: You know, there's so much individuation, individualized, you know, understanding that's needed that you learn just from working with, with all the humans, the human beings.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

And it's such a varied.

You have such a beautiful group of practitioners.

They're so varied.

You know, it's just, it's so.

Well, Rounded.

It's just.

It's just an amazing program.

It's just so amazing.

And to see all these people now coming through, you know, I don't even know how many cohorts there's.

There have been now.

I think I was in the second one, and it seems like we've had a hundred now.

I don't know, but lots of them, and they're going out in all these different directions.

And it's, you know, it's just such a gift to see that and be a part of it.

You know, it has really, really been.

It's like Act 2 for me has been, you know, the icing.

It's like I get to clap and cheer all the.

The people stepping out there and see them.

It's so.

It's.

It's encouraging for our.

Our world and where we're at.

And, I mean, we're bringing something on, and in this place that it's going to change everything.

It is changing everything.

Meredith Oke: Yeah, no, we're.

We're at a shift right now, and it's not like, oh, the shift is coming.

It's like, we are in it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: No, we're riding that right now in it.

Meredith Oke: And the, The.

It's creating a schism, and people who don't want to ride this wave are getting farther and farther apart and holding on to the old way more strongly, which is cool.

That's what happens during change.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: But, like, you know, we picked a good timeline, friends.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah, thank you.

Meredith Oke: Let's hang out in this timeline.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes.

Yes.

Meredith Oke: Because it just kept getting.

Keeps getting crazier.

And then, you know, I just want to move into one more section.

So you, you know, allopathic.

To becoming a patient yourself and being like, whoa.

Actually, this system, not so much to naturopathic, then into navigating the podcast world of trying to learn quantum biology, to finding a structured way to do it, to.

To being like a huge support to all the people.

All of the people doing applied quantum biology and trans, trying to translate this research into real, practical, everyday stuff.

And then you came across these.

A technology that layers on right into that, which is.

And I.

I just want to talk about this for a minute because I don't.

I don't bring up products on this podcast, really.

I mean, if someone is excited about something, we'll talk about it.

But, like, it's not really.

I don't really do it that much, but I do want.

I want to talk about the life wave patches, because I've been using them for like a year and a Half now.

And they're the.

They're the.

Like, I've never seen you so excited about anything except quantum biology things.

I'm like, okay, true.

And I started using them and it's like, just like, explain to me how they.

Like for the audience.

Like, explain how they work.

It's not a supplement, it's not a medication.

It's.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: It's a little patch.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: This is called a life wave patch.

Meredith Oke: Mm.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Like a little.

Like a little band aid.

You just peel this off and you can stick it on certain parts of your body.

Meredith Oke: And.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: The infrared light from our body goes up from our skin and hits this.

This circle.

The outer part here is an adhesive.

And.

But it hits this, which is organic crystals, amino acids, salt, sugars and oxygen.

And what happens is when our infrared light goes up and hits that center, two things occur.

One is our own infrared light is reflected back from those crystals, reflected back into our body.

And we become our own infrared infrared light device.

Like that is mind blowing.

Meredith Oke: I've got.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: See my big.

My big.

I got a big light back here.

And yeah, that's only like a little piece of it.

And I've got lights everywhere.

I've got all sorts of lights.

Love them.

They're amazing.

An amazing tool as we navigate our way out of living inside all the time.

But these patches, we become our own infrared device.

And you say, well, you know, but yeah, this is that big and that's that big.

And if you know anything about homeopathy is that's the body.

And also in the quantum biology, what you.

What we learn is, is the body.

The mitochondria are set up and tuned to whispers.

Very small frequencies.

And this patch sends a very small amount of infrared light back.

Like it's in the picowatt.

It's like minuscule.

So it becomes a.

Like, not like, but it becomes home.

Like homeopathic infrared light device.

Meredith Oke: Because it's like.

It's such a tiny amount.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Because it's so tiny.

And our body responds to tiny way better than it does.

It's like you respond.

Right.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: We respond to whispers, you know, like you and your mom would whisper to you.

There's your mom soothing you as opposed to screaming at you.

Meredith Oke: I had more of that, but that's cool.

I understand what you're saying.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: It's the message.

But we love the whispering, that gentle whisper.

We loved that our body responded.

Responds to that.

So our body, what I've seen, responds to that really small amount of infrared light.

Even more than my really big Lights.

And I love my really big lights and I still use them.

The second thing that it does is there's different life wave patches and they are.

They have a frequency in them that also, when that infrared light or heat comes up to that center, there's a modulated frequency that comes back pertaining to the particular patch that sends another light signal into the body to, you know, make a particular peptide or an amino acid to increase.

Increase it.

For instance, like the x39 has a signal to tell our body to make more of a peptide called ghk, copper peptide.

And that in turn can and does increase that peptide, which can and does increase our poly pluripotent stem cells to then go and do what stem cells do, which is repair things.

So when I came across this years ago, actually in my early journeys in naturopathy and actually used the patches and in our clinic in 2009, 10, 11 and 12, in fact, I have a.

I, I came across this.

This is cool.

So here's a one from.

See how it says homeopathy?

Meredith Oke: Oh, yeah, because now it says the.

Those little packages say phototherapy there.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: We didn't have that language or they didn't know that language.

Meredith Oke: Phototherapy wasn't a thing.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Right.

It wasn't a.

So it really is homeopathic phototherapy, in my opinion.

And it, as Jim Laird says, small hinges swing big doors.

It's a very small hinge that swings very big doors.

And my husband and I have laughed about, you know, between the two of us, we have nearly 30 years of training and schooling and we've seen more needles moved with this stuff than all of the other things we've done all these years.

So we said, gosh, you know, we probably should have just gone and done whatever we wanted to do and waited for life Wave to go and not wasted all that brain time and money and.

Just kidding.

But, yeah, so I'm, I'm like crazy about promoting that.

I, My first passion is about light in general.

The circadian rhythm that must get out to the world.

Yeah, it must.

That is the operating system.

That is what operates the.

This.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: That.

That light story operates that.

But it, it, you know, there were so many things.

And I know you've heard this before, Meredith, but your listeners haven't.

Is.

I, I had patients that, you know, I would share with them.

You know, dude, I want you to do this, this, this and this.

And they, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, I can't do that.

Meredith Oke: I'm not going to change that.

Or I can't get up earlier, and I can't go to this, and I can't go to bed, and I can't sleep.

And you want me to do that?

Yeah.

Well.

And I remember this case study because it was so good.

You were presenting these case studies because so many of the people in our world, right?

Like, we're health focused, so we do the things.

So you're presenting case studies, and you're like, here are all the things that this person did.

They did circadian rhythms.

They did supplements.

They did this.

They did this, and then they added a patch, and this happened.

And then.

But then you had this one case study, and you.

You had it broken down, like, by what people's, like, bedtime routines were.

And this woman's.

This case study of this woman, her bedtime routine, like, what she did to sleep.

So everyone else, it was like, you know, they turn off the screens, they do this, they do that, they take magnesium.

This woman, it was.

Drink a bottle of cough syrup.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Nyquil.

She would buy cases of Nyquil from Amazon.

Meredith Oke: That was just.

That's such a moment.

I think we all need to be reminded.

First of all, we get hard on ourselves for not doing things well enough, and it's like, we're.

We're all doing the best we can.

It's all good.

And second of all, there are people stuck drinking Nyquil, really struggling, truly.

Like, that's tough.

That's a really, really tough place to be in.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And, you know, as a.

As a practitioner, you get this.

This stupid idea that you're just, you know, you're gonna tell people what to do, and they're just gonna do it, and they're just gonna do it, and if they don't do it, well, then there you go.

And you kind of, you know, you get to where.

Because it's.

It's sad.

It's frustrating, you know, all of those things.

And.

But what happened for me in that Meredith, that story is I asked her if she would try these little patches.

I said, look, you know, you can still eat.

Meredith Oke: That's right.

And you sent her blue blockers.

You'd given her all the information.

And she was.

She was like, no, cannot.

Yeah, okay.

So you sent her a patch.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yep.

So she started.

She took a.

Put the X39s, used those.

And she called me.

I don't know how long later it was three weeks, a month or so.

And she called me one day, and she was crying, and I was like, I thought somebody had died.

And I.

And I said, what?

You know, what's the matter?

What's the matter?

Because I quit caring for her.

I quit.

We're friends, but, you know, if you're not gonna do this stuff, I.

You know, I can't help you.

So let's just be friends.

And she said she got out.

I slept last night.

I didn't just sleep.

I slept nine hours straight.

I haven't done that.

I think she said 37 years.

Wow.

And then she started changing her diet.

Then she is taking pictures and sending them to me of being out at sunrise and having her feet on the ground, grounding and pictures of, you know, vegetables, God forbid, because she ate, I think, one.

One kind of meat and a potato or something from Burger King or something, and that's all she ate.

And I realized, oh, if you.

If people can get feeling a little better, they do better.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: That, you know, maybe because you get in your mind, oh, they're just, you know, they're just stubborn.

They're just lazy.

They're just whatever your story that you make up.

But sometimes people feel stupid so badly they can't do what it takes to get better.

So anyway, and I had one other same kind of a story of a type one diabetic, and he's a young.

In his 30s, man.

Young man.

And lives on Mountain Dew.

Lived on Mountain Dew ice cream.

You know, you name it.

And he was getting to the point where his blood levels were showing.

You know, he was getting near the risk of having.

He was going to possibly start having to have limbs amputated if he continued on.

Yeah.

And he just couldn't do it.

Meredith Oke: He just couldn't change his ways.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: So he tried it.

And within, I think it was three weeks, he stopped the bad diet.

His.

His labs went way into normal, which had never, ever been.

And again.

Meredith Oke: And this is from wearing an X39.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes.

Yes.

Sheesh.

And he said the same thing.

He said, well, I.

He said, I just felt like, you know, I'm gonna die young because I am a type one diabetic.

There's, you know, so why not just do what I want to do?

But now I feel like I can live a long life and I feel better.

So it really taught me as a practitioner that, you know, sometimes you.

If you can move the needle enough in a small thing like these patches, it can change someone's entire life.

They can start going out in the morning, they can start eating better and doing all the things better just because of that.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And I have a million.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Yeah.

We could do case studies for another hour, but I Love it.

Because it's.

It's like, it's so simple.

So.

That's right.

Like, your friend, she's like, no, I can't wear blue blockers.

No, I can't eat a vegetable.

No, I can't go outside.

No, I can't.

But it's like, I just put this sticker on.

Fine, fine.

And then more energy becomes available.

And as people have more energy, they.

We find the capacity to make change.

I've had this happen to me in my life, personally.

Like, there were times in my life where, you know, like, just the simplest things took all, like, took so much effort.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: But as I learned to free up my energy, and a lot of it was trapped in.

In trauma and stressful thinking and belief systems that were dragging me down.

And that has a mitochondrial impact.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Oh, 100%.

Meredith Oke: And, you know, we think of, like, our mitochondria needing energy, like, to do things physically, but the emotional burden, the mental load, you know, feeling hopeless and being locked in grief and shame and trauma, like, those things take away our mitochondrial energy as well.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes.

Meredith Oke: And in that space, it has to be simple.

And we think going outside is simple, because it is.

But for some people, it's like, even.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: That is if you have too much every night, looking at a phone or a computer screen or a television all night and slept all day for decades, that's just not so easy.

I mean, it sounds easy.

It sounds like, you know, come on, just do it.

But anyway, it was a great lesson for me to see that.

Oh, it.

There's.

This allows people to get through exactly what you're talking about to the other side to even.

To have enough energy to.

To make a better decision.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And I have seen just so many wonderful things with them.

And for anybody who hasn't seen your interview with the inventor of these little patches, David Schmidt, you have two podcasts, and they are amazing.

I highly recommend people go listen to them.

The man is.

He's on Divine Download, just saying.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: And he's humble on top of it.

And so, yeah, that is.

I have come out of retirement in the sense that I'm on a mission with him to patch a billion people.

And then now he's coming out with this water machine that infuses, releases water, releases light into you.

Like, it's a.

It's a hydrogen machine.

It's a, you know, ultra oxygen.

Meredith Oke: That machine's crazy.

He told me some stuff about that machine.

He wouldn't do it on camera.

It was like, after we'd stopped recording, he told Me some things.

He witnessed people drinking that light water.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: I was like, what?

And that's out now.

That's.

We have the leaders in the, in that company.

They have them.

Friend of mine has hers and it's going available to the public in October 27th.

And that is going to set the water industry on its head.

Meredith Oke: I can't wait.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: I know.

Meredith Oke: Going to be so interesting.

And that's why, you know, just to wrap like.

I know that there's a lot of like doomerism happening right now because of politics or whatever different things people subscribe to.

But.

But friends, there's so much cool stuff happening.

So much cool stuff.

And we are so blessed and privileged to have access to it, to understand what it is, to understand the implications of it, indeed, to have the freedom to engage with it.

And you know, I feel, I just feel so excited about the world and this is an amazing time to be alive.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yes, indeed.

Meredith Oke: And thanks for being my friend on the path, Kathleen.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Oh, yeah.

The credit goes to you and Jason.

I'm saying this has just been a gift.

Meredith Oke: You got to take a little.

Please take a little.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Okay.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Thank you.

Meredith Oke: All right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Thank you so much.

Meredith Oke: All right.

And if anyone would like to connect with Kathleen, they can find her@kathleenhorstmeyer.com she's also inside QVC free.

Just go in.

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You should be.

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If these big medical associations and Rockefeller people can get together and change the world, so can we.

But you gotta come, come and say hi.

So come to qvcpod.com click community and just enter your name and email and you're in there.

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And you can talk to her or go to kathleenhorsemeyer.com and there is a link in the show notes for the certification and for to purchase lifewave patches which encourage any health issue or you're over a certain age, you really want to just try these things because we're like in the modern day and age, like, we're not, you know, our bodies.

We.

I've realized, like, we really need to help them reach their capacity.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Oh yeah.

Meredith Oke: There's too much working against us to not, you know, to not embrace this simple technology.

That can help, especially when it's totally non.

Invasive.

Doesn't.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: It's a little sick.

Meredith Oke: Just a little whispering.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: Thank you for doing this, Kathleen.

I know it's out of your comfort zone, but I think your story is so cool and amazing.

And you've just followed your intuition every step of the way and your allopathic work.

I'm sure that team has saved so many lives with those ultrasounds.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Yep.

Yeah.

Meredith Oke: You know, they really did.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Flying around, you know.

I know.

We did, too, you know, and it just.

It was a process of.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: To get here, you know.

What a fabulous journey it's been.

It's just amazing.

Meredith Oke: It is.

Well, you have.

You lead a life of service, my friend, and we appreciate it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer: Thank you, Meredith.

Meredith Oke: Thanks, everybody.

See you next time.