Meredith Oke: Terra Martin, welcome to the QVC podcast.

This is going to be fun.

Terra Martin: Happy to see you, Meredith.

Meredith Oke: Okay, so I want to start with your origin story, because you studied music and you were on the path to.

Towards music composition and being a professional musician, and then you moved over into psychology and hypnosis.

So tell me about that transition and, like, what.

What, if any, overlap there is in those areas?

Terra Martin: Okay.

Well, I started in music, and I intended to spend my life composing on the piano and perhaps getting hired by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra and then living on peanut butter and crackers the rest of my life.

And a professor said, you have a passion for music.

You love it, and do you want to hate your passion when it doesn't provide you a living?

Then I thought about it, and I said, no, you're right.

So then I moved to taking courses in psychology, hypnotherapy, cbt, and was going to choose that because to me, when I first heard those things and I listened to people speak, I go, I can do this.

It's like music.

It's like I can hear the rise and fall of their voices as they say certain words and certain sentences.

And I do this all the time when I'm listening to music or composing.

So it's an easy.

It's an easy.

I don't really have to get used to it.

I have to sharpen my ear in a slightly different way.

So I did that, and then I came back to music, and now I own about six instruments.

I haven't met an instrument I don't like, so I have to be careful when I go on ebay.

Meredith Oke: That's amazing.

So your life is filled with music and in the traditional sense, but also you see your patients through the lens of a trained musician's ear.

Terra Martin: Correct.

Meredith Oke: So you were saying, like, you hear in their voices when they speak.

Terra Martin: Well, for example, if they come into the office and one lady came in and she stood at the door and she said, I'm not upset.

And I heard right away it was grief, because I could hear.

There's physical words you speak, but then there's an intonation.

That's the music.

And I heard that she had grief.

And I said, it's okay.

You can cry.

And then she burst into tears and came and did a session.

Right.

But I could hear.

It was my ear that told me what it was.

Meredith Oke: So your.

Your ear that's been trained musically, picks up emotions as though they're music under inside of the cadence of someone's speaking voice.

Terra Martin: Exactly, exactly.

And over the years, yes, it became more honed because more clients, more time.

Of course, you get really good at it.

And even when I'm out socializing, I can.

Without wanting to.

You pick it up.

You don't.

It's not.

I'm trying to work or anything, but it just became so overused that it's automatic.

Meredith Oke: Right.

That's so interesting.

I mean, what an incredible tool to have in your toolbox.

As someone who sees clients or patients, how do you refer to them?

Clients or patients?

Terra Martin: I call them clients.

Meredith Oke: Clients.

Okay.

Who sees clients?

And it's part of your job to understand where they are emotionally.

You can just hear it.

Terra Martin: I can hear it.

And it's.

It saves some money because the quicker I pick it up, the quicker they can go through a.

Reckon, you know, recognize it.

And, you know, truthfully, therapists don't change people.

People change themselves.

That's the truth.

You know, I'm.

I'm a.

I'm a mirror.

I'm a facilitator.

I'm not the changer.

They are.

Meredith Oke: Yes, I completely agree with that.

One of my coaching members used to say, you know, you can coach anybody on anything as long as they're coachable.

Terra Martin: That's right.

Meredith Oke: Like, if they're not coachable, don't sign the contract.

Terra Martin: That's right.

Meredith Oke: So I love.

I love this idea of.

Of hearing the emotions as music are there certain.

Because I know that, you know, a lot of us, sometimes you can tell when somebody is using words to say one thing, but the body language or the energy, or you can just tell, you feel that cognitive dissonance, that it's not.

It's not lined up with how they're really feeling.

So they'll say like, oh, I'm fine, or, oh, no, that's no problem, or.

Or even just telling a story as though it's no big deal.

But you can feel like a gap between what's being said.

And so you pick that up.

Well, in many different ways.

Terra Martin: It takes about a paragraph because people have learned to hone their intonation like, you know, how are you?

Nice weather.

We all have a nice package of sound bite for that.

But going on with a paragraph or two, we go back, we default to our natural intonation.

And as soon as that happens, then there's a whole wealth of information.

If you're listening to people not only for context, but the rise and fall of their voice, there's a whole wealth of information of, you know, if someone says, I really like my mother, well, guess what, there's two messages there.

Verbally yes.

Sentence wise, they like their mother.

But intonation, there's something, Something there.

There's some information there that can be unpacked.

Meredith Oke: So have you noticed that there are different intonations for different types of emotions?

Terra Martin: Yes, a lot.

There's a generalization, there's a.

There's a global intonation for anger, fear, guilt, doubt.

But then there's mixes, because nobody's pure anger, nobody's pure doubt, nobody's pure love.

So when it gets mixes, that's where it gets really interesting because it's like a different piece of music.

It's combinations of sound and.

And feel.

It's a sound feel.

Meredith Oke: Right, so like the.

A feel in your body as you're hearing them speak.

Terra Martin: Yes, but it's also a feel of if they're saying something that's all of a sudden they speak very slowly out of the blue, or they speak very fast.

The intonation is squeezed.

So it's like they're playing at one end of the piano versus the other end of the piano.

They're trying to slow down something which is an emotion of some sort of.

Or they're trying to speed it up to get past it.

Because there's memories happening while they're speaking.

Meredith Oke: Oh, that's so interesting.

And it's funny as you're describing it, I'm like, oh, it sounds like a music teacher or a voice teacher when you're having the singer find the emotion in the song.

But that's just what we're naturally doing as we speak all the time.

Terra Martin: Yes, we do.

Yeah, it's a natural thing we do.

But we never kind of scientifically observe it.

We never observe it and say, wow, I'm doing this.

I mean, even with myself, I know there's certain people that my intonation changes right away and I go, oh, pay attention.

Like you're telling yourself something.

Or there's other people that I don't really mind however it comes out or however I, however I say it.

Like you're one of those people.

As soon as I met you, I go, I like her.

I'm going to just say whatever, whatever comes to mind.

Meredith Oke: Oh, great, I will.

I'm happy to hear that.

Because I have to say it's a little, you know, like when I talk to people and they're like, yeah, I can read biofields.

I can see this, I can see that.

I'm always like, I wonder what.

I'm not gonna.

Not going to have myself revealed on a podcast.

But I always do wonder what they're seeing.

Well, I love that.

That's one of my favorite.

I'm glad you feel that you can say anything, because you probably can.

I've heard a lot of things over the years.

Sometimes people will say, like, they're so ashamed or nervous or scared to say something, and they'll just tell it to me.

And I'm like, oh, wow, you were nervous to tell me that you.

Sweetie, I've heard it all.

I've heard it all.

And then I'm always surprised at how we hold ourselves back from showing up authentically because, you know, I mean, there are safe people and not safe people, but, yes, true.

Gosh, we're off.

We're so nervous to just say the truth sometimes, aren't we?

Terra Martin: We are.

We are, unfortunately.

And that's where people mask their intonation.

They kind of squeeze it.

Like, I had one client, she's very, very British, and her mother used to say to her all the time, don't raise your voice.

Don't raise your voice.

Don't raise your voice.

Well, then she learned to shut down her intonation and, like, squeeze it so she would always sound practical, logical.

And she took out all the adjectives out of her sentences, basically.

So there was no.

It was almost like there was no emotional content in her intonation.

And when she came to see me, she goes, you know, I find people don't, you know, find me empathetic or communicative, you know.

And I said, okay.

Well, I said, I want you to pretend you're angry and say something.

And it came out in best British, and it sounded like she was reading a newspaper.

And I go, we're going to work on that.

But it was the training of her mother saying, don't raise your voice.

So what she did internally was not raise her intonation and not let it flow with her content or sentences.

So it's like she didn't have any of her emotions showing through, shining and showing through in her words to making them, you know, human.

Meredith Oke: Wow, that's so true.

And you do.

There are those people where it's like almost a monotone, right?

Terra Martin: And that's their guarding what they feel.

So it doesn't shine and shine through their words.

But then you don't know.

You don't touch the person.

You don't touch who they are, their genuine self, because somebody or something at an event has occurred that they felt they have to kind of sit on their intonation.

Meredith Oke: Because then there are people where it's like they sound almost hysterical at the drop of a hat.

Terra Martin: That's the people the other end, because they don't want to believe that they're so logical, practical, and sometimes not compassionate.

So they exaggerate it the other way.

Like all extremes, you know, absolutes.

There's nothing, you know, any absolute.

There's something missing in the piece.

There's something missing in the puzzle piece, right?

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

There are no absolutes.

Terra Martin: No.

Especially in quantum.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Okay.

So, I mean, this is so interesting.

We could talk the whole time about the voices.

So tell me a little bit more about how you work.

So your first clue with a client is auditory and then what unfolds?

Terra Martin: Well, I used to have them write 25 questions, but I don't know.

You must know this.

People hate writing down questions.

It takes them forever.

So then I put it down to 10, and then I said, okay, come to my office.

Write five questions on anything.

But what I'm doing in the questioning is saying, are you ready to put yourself in a student position?

That's all it's about.

I don't care what the question is.

And then I need to know if they are a how mind, a when mind, a where mind, or what, like, which.

Which is the best way I can teach them.

If they're a how mind, I have to give them the method.

If they're when, I have to tell them timing.

And if they're where, I have to give them locations.

So I get the quickest.

I want to get the quickest way in to.

So that they're not in pain anymore.

So I use how, when, and where as the.

As the template.

Meredith Oke: That is so interesting.

I love that because something that comes up a lot in my coaching is how much information to give a client, how much to explain to them.

And a lot of people who are drawn to study applied quantum biology love the information, and they love sharing the information.

And their clients don't always love to receive it, but some of them do.

Like I need to know, I need a certain amount of how in order to be motivated to do it correct.

But I haven't.

I've not heard this distinction before.

So that's super interesting.

So there's a how, a when, and a where.

Could you give examples?

I mean, I guess the how's pretty obvious.

You explain how it works.

Terra Martin: Yes.

When is more people who.

They want to deal with their future.

They want to clear future hypothetical problems that haven't happened yet, but might happen according to their logic.

So then I give them this is now.

If you.

If you keep repeating the same behavior going forward, it's going to look like this.

So that would be when.

If you stop the behavior, the future can look like this.

And I kind of open it as possibilities, different possibilities for that type of person.

And they're very much on time.

You know, they want to save time.

So I'll use that motivation for them to go.

To go there and do it.

But you see, the reason I just divided everybody's mind into the four is I kept finding there was a pattern.

People came that wanted, method only.

People came that wanted, well, where will I be?

Location only.

If I change, what do I get?

That's how I divided it into the four categories.

Now it's general and some people are crossovers, but it's a good start and it saves quite a bit of time for them, right?

Meredith Oke: Yeah, absolutely.

If you can take the most direct route, what will be most motivating or persuasive?

So tell me a little bit more about the.

Terra Martin: About the where in the where.

It's events that have happened to people.

The locations become the problem.

So when someone has to know where's the exit and where is the bathroom and where is the front door, where's the.

I know that there's kind of triggers around there.

So I'll go in a different way.

I won't go right for the exit or the doors.

I'll go for the middle of the room or something and say, what.

Tell me about the middle of the room, what was there?

And then I'll work my way out.

So that gives me kind of a clue and a direction to work with them.

If they've had, you know, different traumas or different.

Just events that have happened that have caused them stress.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Terra Martin: So the where gives me that.

So it's just isolating very quickly.

Isolating.

Kind of instead of the big wide picture, I'm narrowing it, narrowing it, narrowing.

And I work in that area over an hour or two.

I'm trying to get the most for their hour or two.

Meredith Oke: Right, right.

So they.

They fill out the questionnaire and then they come to you.

So.

And you go from there using that sort of as a bit of a blueprint or guiding post.

Terra Martin: And if they do.

Yeah, if they do 25 questions, then I count the hows, I count the where's, I count the whens that are in it.

And if there isn't any, we have a very.

We have the type of person who's very general.

So I know it could be a long haul unless I get them into using how, when, and where.

So I'll give them that lesson for, for one week and then start.

Right.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Yeah.

That's so cool because I'm listening.

I'm like, I'm a how and a where and a when.

But the where, I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about.

It doesn't make no sense to me.

What do you mean, the exit?

Terra Martin: I think you're pretty open to the world, so where wouldn't matter to you.

It's all good.

Meredith Oke: Yes, well, it means a lot to hear you say that because it was not always the case.

All right, so.

Okay, I just want to go a little big picture for a minute.

So you studied hypnosis, psychology, emdr, which is the rapid eye movement.

Was it cbt?

Cognitive behavioral therapy.

And you've been doing this for decades?

Over two decades.

Terra Martin: Over two decades, yes.

Meredith Oke: Okay, so tell me, like big picture, what your impression of trauma is.

Like, what, what is it and where.

I kind of want to go because this has been coming up a lot.

I talked about it with Eileen McKusick is we seem to have, as a culture, moved into an understanding of the deep, deep implications of trauma on a person and a person's behavior.

But we seem to be a bit stuck there and feel like it's like, oh, your child got traumatized.

They're ruined for life, right?

Like, that's the, that's the mom fear.

And so in my, but my experience personally and in many, many people over, that I've seen over the years in different situations has been that trauma is resolvable.

So that's kind of where I want to go.

But I want to start with how do you see trauma?

Like, how do you explain it to people?

Terra Martin: Basically, it's an event that happens, say when someone was younger.

Could be five years ago, 10 years ago.

Say it happened when someone was 10.

The subconscious does not let go and give the information to the conscious, doesn't feed it forward, because it wants to protect your logical mind so that you can go about your day to day activity.

So it withholds the information and it doesn't pass that information forward.

So it keeps repeating the trauma.

So it becomes like you're on a train or you're like a mouse running around that little treadmill thing.

And that trauma is continually playing in the back of your head, in sight, sound and motion and on the, on the neurons and electrons and cells, it keeps replaying.

But you can perform your daily tasks because you haven't been given the information to your external.

So it doesn't limit you, but actually it does limit you.

So our subconscious mind thinks that it's protecting us, but actually makes a bit of a mess.

Meredith Oke: Right.

So we have these traumas, these little treadmills, running memories.

Terra Martin: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: Running in the background, so to speak.

Terra Martin: Right.

Meredith Oke: And that is, for lack of a better word, the energy of that is running through our bodies and our fields and our.

Terra Martin: Basically, what it's doing is triggering fight or flight response all the time.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Terra Martin: Even if we're not aware of it.

And it's also our mirror neurons, what they're doing is they're copying it.

They're saying, oh, we got to keep this.

This is important information.

We haven't processed it.

So you keep feeding, like, whatever you feed your mirror neurons, the more they copy it, they can copy anything.

Meredith Oke: So interesting.

Terra Martin: What you feed them is what you get is basically what I'm saying.

Meredith Oke: So the treadmill is feeding the mirror neurons and does that.

Then when we talk about creating our reality, are we then subconsciously recreating little versions of that?

Because that's what we know.

That's what we resonate with.

Terra Martin: Well, then what we do is we take pieces of those.

Of that detail.

It could be a room, it could be a day, it could be a season, and that will be repeated.

And when that season comes up again, the trauma will activate stronger because it's going.

It's happening again.

It's now.

So the past becomes like a virtual reality of now.

And that replays when the triggers set up in place or line up.

The mirror neurons say, oh, it's again.

We're doing this again.

This is happening again.

So the same fight or flight response kicks in.

Meredith Oke: Wow.

So how does.

How do we know?

I mean, I guess we know.

Even if we can't pinpoint a trauma, if life is unfolding in.

In an uncomfortable, painful way on an ongoing basis, is there likely some.

Some background?

Terra Martin: There is.

Meredith Oke: If we keep making choices and we're like, why is this why Again.

Terra Martin: That goes back to how well people want to get to know themselves.

Like, be educated on themselves.

Not.

Not something wrong, not something right.

But they want to get educated and go, why am I afraid when I go out the front door and I have to touch it five times?

Why don't I want to get to the bottom of it?

And I'm the expert of me.

Therefore, if I start to ask myself how, when, where, questions, then I will perhaps remember or find out.

But people have gotten used to the workaround.

Like, when you put it away, it's still in the closet, but you don't have to think about it.

So not thinking about it is an instruction to the self.

When someone says, I want to know, I want to know, and you tell yourself that you want to know.

Interesting things pop up out of the body parts and up to your conscious.

Meredith Oke: Interesting because I had an experience once.

I was doing some kind of, you know, trauma healing modality.

And, you know, the person asked me to think of a memory.

And it was.

It wasn't something.

I can't remember what it was at the moment, but it wasn't like a horrible thing.

It was just something that happened.

And I didn't understand until we did the process that I had attached this certain meaning to that event.

Gosh, I wish I could remember what it was.

I don't.

But I was a child, and it was like one of my parents said something to me or something happened or I have witnessed something, and I made an internal decision.

And it wasn't an event that I would have described that could be described as traumatic, But I had attached, like, a deep meaning to it.

And I was living by that as if it was a law.

Terra Martin: Right, right.

And that's the interesting thing.

It's not about the size of it, the size of the trauma.

It's the individual, unique person, whatever is affecting them.

Whenever I deal with a trauma, I don't go, what's the big thing?

I go, what's the thing?

Right.

It's because to you, something is very important.

To someone else, it's not, you know, to some people, they like peanut butter.

Some people don't.

So everyone is unique.

But the fear is universal and the fight flight is universal.

But what the event is actually not the important part.

What the important part is bringing that to your conscious and then processing it.

Because your logical mind processes, your subconscious just holds on to things and says, well, we'll get to it another day.

So one has the ability to hold on to things, but one has the ability to process.

And when they mix up their jobs, then things get kind of cluttered.

Meredith Oke: Right.

So that's why it would be important to have some kind of regular practice of cleaning this up.

Terra Martin: Yes.

Meredith Oke: So we.

Our circuit, you know, our quantum circuits don't get overloaded.

Terra Martin: Absolutely.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Terra Martin: Because you guys are dealing with the extra field like you're dealing five senses.

Plus what's happening in the quantum, that's an extra.

Like an extra sense or something, you know, I don't know what you'd call it.

Extra awareness.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Terra Martin: And as a coach, you have that too.

You would be very empathetic with your Your clients.

And there's a lot being transferred to you that might be their issues that you take home without realizing it.

Right.

Unless you scrub it off.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

What are some strategies that you teach people for, like, maintenance, trauma maintenance, or everyday stuff to, like, do this kind of clearing that we're talking about?

Terra Martin: Whoops, I lost you.

Sorry.

Meredith Oke: Okay.

Terra Martin: Whoops.

How do I come back?

Oh, gotcha there.

I'm back.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Meredith Oke: No problem.

Terra Martin: Yes.

Actually, what I have them do before bed is put their hands on their heart and say heart throughout the night, let me know what I need to know about the past.

And then over the next few days, as you're doing that, you'll go, mmm, I remember this.

Oh, I remember that.

Now.

You're not looking for big events, whatever the heart brings to you, because the heart will talk to the head.

Then it's events that just need to be processed by thinking about them.

It's not that you have to do much, but you have to think about them.

Say, oh, I didn't think that was a big thing, but maybe it was.

Right.

And it's self discovery.

Like all my clients, I have to teach them that they're educating themselves on themselves.

There's nothing wrong.

Like, because they have a trauma, that doesn't mean there's something wrong.

It means they don't know themselves well enough to figure out how to get into the trauma, get out of the trauma, and process the trauma.

But that doesn't.

That doesn't make something wrong.

Meredith Oke: Right?

Yeah.

Like if you went on a walk through a big muddy forest and you came back all muddy.

It's not wrong.

You're just covered in mud.

Terra Martin: You're just covered in mud.

Meredith Oke: Went for a walk.

Terra Martin: It'll wash off.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Terra Martin: Yeah, exactly.

Meredith Oke: So tell me about, in your experience, the resolution of trauma, whether it's the big stuff or the small stuff, and how you see that works.

Terra Martin: Basically, the resolution is if you visualize your subconscious as a box of stuff and you dump it in front of your senses.

And then you start looking at it, and your senses go, well, that's.

I was 10.

What did I know?

I was.

Oh, and that was grandfather.

Oh, and that was, you know, the picture on the wall fell off and broke.

And, you know, you put the details of the crime, so to speak, in front of your senses.

Then you can update that you were 10 and now you're 20 or 30 or 50, whatever the age, and it changes the time zone.

So you don't go back on that past train.

You're not back on the treadmill, because you're taking yourself from 10 to 20 to 30 by updating the details, the physical details, the facts, the room, the year, the summertime, winter, the season.

So it allows the information to become.

It allows the information to come forward and you process it with your now logic of 30 as opposed to your logic of 10.

So we have different traumas, small, medium, large, that keep us locked in different age groups.

Sometimes we're locked in at 10, 15, 20, and these kind of locks keep us going back to visit it.

So we leave our now and go back to the past and visit it when there's triggers.

Meredith Oke: Right?

Okay, that's so interesting because I'm remembering a time I was a member of a committee.

We were at a meeting.

There were, I don't know, maybe eight or ten of us around a table.

It was through an organization where we'd all been through some stuff.

Everyone probably had a certain level of trauma in their background.

But we were all just having a meeting, being grown ups, talking about boring things like budgets or whatever.

And someone came in late and he was really angry about a decision that had been made at the previous meeting that he wasn't involved in.

And he came and started.

He came into the room and started shouting.

And I watched all the faces of these adults freeze and they became children right in front of my eyes.

And I was like, oh my gosh, it's not grownups anymore.

Every single one of them.

It was like a little.

A frightened little child.

And I just had this moment where I was like, oh my goodness.

Right?

Because it was so many people all at the same time, all experience like an angry authority, you know, it was a big man and he was standing up and we were all sitting down.

It was just like that, the entire room.

I was like, oh, wow, that's how it happens.

Terra Martin: That's exactly, you're right.

Exactly, exactly.

Yeah.

And if you're watching, if you're outside of it, you must be clearer from yelling than somebody else.

Then you can stay in your senses and you'll observe what's going on instead of be part of it.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Terra Martin: That's kind of like being in your senses means you have the ability to observe rather than react.

Meredith Oke: So if we do find ourselves right, something does trigger someone speaks to us angrily.

Like I get triggered when people honk at me while I'm driving.

Like it's just for like a full minute after.

I'm just like out of sorts completely.

So what, how do we, how do we manage that?

Terra Martin: The first thing I do Is I start counting backwards from 10.

I go 10, 9.

And I slow my breathing down because I want to make sure that my emotional energy is moving slower than theirs.

And if mine's moving slower than theirs, theirs goes over my head.

Like I don't absorb it into me.

So I go 10, breathe, nine.

Breathe, eight.

And so I make sure that they actually 747 over me, energy wise.

Because anger is moving at such a high pitch on the piano that if I'm playing a lower, slower piece, it's not going to connect.

Meredith Oke: Right, that makes sense.

Terra Martin: Right, but you have to go, go slow now.

But your first instinct when someone yells is to go fast.

Yeah, but training yourself to go slow because when you're dealing with emotions and emotional energy, it's a whole different ball game.

It's like quantum.

Meredith Oke: It's.

Terra Martin: Everything's backwards.

It's like Alice through the Looking Glass.

Meredith Oke: Right, Right.

Okay.

So also, one interesting caveat, or not caveat, but bookend to that story, is that the person who came in and yelled, he came back at the next meeting and he was like.

And he was like, I'm sorry.

Apparently I came off really angry.

Like he had no idea he was yelling.

Terra Martin: So that tells me two things.

He's not an ear person.

And he doesn't listen to his own intonation, so he can yell because he doesn't hear it.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Terra Martin: You know, he doesn't hear his own anger, so he can yell.

Meredith Oke: He has no idea the effect that he's having.

Terra Martin: No, no.

He might hear other emotions that he says and the intonation, but that's the one that he's tone deaf on.

Meredith Oke: Interesting.

That explains so much too.

When you have like disconnect between people and someone's feeling super, like, victimized and the other person's like, I don't understand what your problem is.

I'm not.

Terra Martin: Well, it was interesting.

I had a couple and the wife said, he never listens to me.

And the husband said, she never talks to me, she never looks at me.

But the truth was he never looked at her because he was an ear person.

He was really ear.

So she never talked to him because she wanted to be looked at.

And then she would have talked to him.

So it was just the fights were about who's the ear and who's the eye in the relationship.

And it was funny because that's external communication that was creating kind of a bit of war.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Oh, that's so funny.

My husband and I actually have that all the time.

He'll be like, on his phone And I'll be telling him something.

And if it's just something, you know, like logistical, I don't really notice.

But if I want to tell him something.

Terra Martin: Yes.

Meredith Oke: And he's looking at his phone like, I'll just stop talking.

And he's finally.

He'll look up and be like, what?

I'm listening.

Like, I need you to look at me.

I need you to look at my face while I say this or it doesn't count.

He's like, but I can still hear you.

Terra Martin: It's funny because we're all trained as kids to use one sense more than another.

And so say musicians use their ears, of course.

And yes, they use their eyes, but it's not going to be their goat.

Meredith Oke: That makes sense because he was a musician too, in school.

Okay.

Terra Martin: You'd be trained.

That's your go to that you would trust.

Or it's your familiar sense.

And as, as it's familiar, it's your default too.

So we had some training that we had to learn to use our unfamiliar sense with people or with clients.

We had to.

I would blindfold them if they were visual.

And, and I say, okay, now talk.

And they had a hard time talking because it wasn't familiar to hear their intonation.

Or if they were not so visual, I had them cover their ears and they had to look around the room.

So it was just to show that everybody has a preferred sense that they're familiar with or they feel safe with.

Meredith Oke: So cool.

Okay.

And then so I, I want to talk about how the hypnosis plays into this.

And then how the hypnosis brought you into like the applied quantum biology.

Terra Martin: It plays into it because when people are entranced, their senses become expanded.

Everyone thinks that you go deep and you act like a chicken and do that stuff.

None of that happens.

Your senses become expanded, your skin becomes expanded.

You can hear a pin drop at the other side of the room.

And what happens is you open the doorway between your subconscious and conscious.

So the information that's needed can get through right to your external.

So when people are in a light trance, you know, a trance like if you're reading a book and you're not aware of your environment, that's a light trance.

So in that state, they can process a lot of information from their subconscious, which without the pain of it.

But if they go really deep in trance, they're reliving the pain.

And so that's not as useful because they've already had the pain, they don't need to repeat it, but they need to open the doorway for the information to pass through.

And that's how it's used.

But also they need to open the doorway to see who they are on their external rather than who they think they are.

Meredith Oke: So it's like opening the portal between the conscious and the subconscious to free that little piece of ourselves.

That's on that treadmill.

Terra Martin: Yeah, that's on the treadmill, exactly.

The information can flow forward easier.

Meredith Oke: And what's your experience like in terms of people getting over things?

Terra Martin: Like, I've had lots of experiences of people.

How they get there is very different.

There was one lady who had been on Valium for years.

I think 30 years she had been on Valium.

And she came to the office, and it was a new office I just rented.

And she came in and she goes, I want to clear this.

I'm fed up with being afraid.

I'm fed up.

I said, okay, close your eyes.

Where do you feel it in the body?

And she went into it.

And all of a sudden she let out this primeval scream, right?

And I went, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my lease.

I'm going to get kicked out of the building.

She didn't stop for 30 minutes.

She did this scream for 30 minutes.

And I thought, I don't want to stop her because I know I don't want to cut that energy.

I go, oh, I'll find another office.

Okay.

And so then what happened is when she came out of it, she goes, oh, I feel so much better.

The next day she called me.

She goes, I can't talk.

And I go, I'm not surprised.

She goes, what I didn't tell you was I've been on Valium for 30 years, and I've been pressing down my emotions, and this felt so good.

And now I think I'm going to throw away my.

My Valium, right?

And I went, okay.

And she goes, do you still have your office?

And I go, yeah, so far.

But it was just, you know, that was how she chose to deal with it.

Meredith Oke: Yeah, that's.

I was going to say, so that, like, there was no prompting on your part.

You just opened the portal and she started to scream.

That was what her body wanted to do.

Terra Martin: Right.

And that's just.

It's about the body, actually, you're right.

That's a good point.

It's what the body wants to do.

Hypnosis allows the body to do what it needs to do, but it won't always be logical, right?

And it'll be like, as a therapist, you got to go, hang on, we're going for a ride here.

And then just let it happen.

Because it's not my direction that guides it.

It's her body's direction or their bodies, Whoever it is, the body knows the bottom line.

The body knows.

Meredith Oke: Right, Right.

Terra Martin: Because in any trauma, wherever the body's been touched, say if someone's been raped, the skin has recorded every single touch that's happened.

And so it's replaying the information all the time on the cellular level.

And when you clear it out, which is what quantum seems to do, because that was another piece that I was missing.

You know, when they use sunlight, circadian rhythm, then everything that I've done comes into a greater play.

And physically, they get clearer on their cells because the sunlight helps so much to.

Meredith Oke: Really.

Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense to me.

But I'm curious about to hear your observations on that.

Terra Martin: Well, my observation is once they are clear of, say, a client of mine bombs in Lebanon, when he grew up, he was afraid of light.

He was afraid of the dark.

And once we worked on clearing light and dark through CBT and hypnosis, then I gave him just the simple rules of quantum that I found in January when I was, you know, January winter cohort.

And he followed them.

He didn't want to know why or how.

He just followed what I gave him and what you guys gave me.

And honestly, he became a whole different person.

It just brought it more physical and more physical.

So now he's.

He's wearing red, you know, the blue blocking glasses.

He's doing cold therapy.

He's got grounding sheets.

And he is like a different person because he's not snappy, he's not jumpy.

Even though he was clear, there was still triggers to take him back.

But the quantum grounded him in his body.

Right.

And he stayed there.

He didn't go back and forth in time.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Because the trauma is held in that structured water and optimizing our circadian rhythms and grounding.

Terra Martin: Right, right.

So he could realize where he was, that he was clear, but he could also ground more that he was free.

Not only clear, but there's, you know, when you're clear, it's one thing, but you always think, am I going to go back there?

Am I going to feel that again?

And this grounding process and the sunlight and circadian rhythm really changed that for him.

It made him trust his body and say, you got this.

You're not going to go back there.

And so he became just mellow, like in incredibly mellow.

And it was within.

I was taking the course at the time, so this was just new stuff for me.

In January and over the four, four or five weeks, he did this turnaround.

And I said, I am so in on this quantum stuff.

Meredith Oke: Oh, that's great, because.

Yeah.

I mean, as you've been saying, like, it's all quantum.

The hypnosis, the emdr, the.

The emotions, like, all of it.

But it's these connecting that to our physical environment and the kind of light that we are exposed to and the quality of darkness that we get.

Has, in your experience, shifted your clients.

Terra Martin: Well, it shifted them from.

You know, you can clear three quarters of the way of a trauma, but it still has to come to the senses and has to come to the body.

And when they do reset their circadian rhythm, that aligns everything for the change to kick in in a very physical way.

Right.

It's not just under the surface anymore.

It becomes part of their external.

So their neural pathways are no longer saying, I need to go to the past to protect myself.

They go, I need to go to the sun to protect myself.

I need to wear blue blocking glasses to protect myself.

I need to reevaluate people that cause me stress.

It grounds them here and then they stay there.

And once they're in there now, then the past gets weaker.

Weaker.

Weaker as a message and as.

As a text message or as an email.

It gets dissipated the longer they stay in the moment.

Right, right.

Meredith Oke: That's really profound and makes sense because one of, like, my personal experience, you know, regulating my circadian rhythm, like, yes, I felt better.

I had more energy.

My sleep completely changed.

But I also, yes, as you said, developed an awareness of myself and time and space.

Terra Martin: Right.

Meredith Oke: That I did not have before, and an awareness of my, you know, connection to the earth and the cosmos and the directions.

You know, like, I now am always aware where the east and the west is because I pay attention to the sun and there.

Yeah, there has definitely been deep emotional and spiritual shifts Right.

From that practice, which really just started out as, like, my sleep is so crap and I'm.

And I have chronic fatigue.

Terra Martin: Right, right.

It's just magic.

When we go back to, you know, it takes them back to their authentic body, and then the body voice becomes stronger than the voice of their trauma.

Meredith Oke: The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of the trauma.

That's good.

So it's not like the trauma disappears, but it's.

It's like, oh, that.

Terra Martin: Yeah, it's just a memory that you go.

That old thing.

Meredith Oke: Right.

Terra Martin: Yeah, it Becomes a memory.

But not now.

It's not attached to the now.

And you're so involved with your body by doing the protocols, that these protocols take precedence.

You know, like sun in the morning takes precedence.

Cold therapy takes precedence.

Grounding takes precedence.

Respect for the body takes precedence.

It's the focus.

Not the past becomes the focus.

The now, you know, the miracle that the body is takes precedence.

Meredith Oke: Wow, that's so beautiful.

This is a way of looking at it that I hadn't fully considered.

Is there anything else you want to say on that?

The sunlight and the darkness.

Terra Martin: I did it with several people.

And sometimes cold therapy works for depression better than, you know, there were certain applications, and I don't know enough yet because I haven't done enough clients with this modality.

But I find for people that are afraid of light, it's a little bit longer process.

You got to clear them of light and then desensitize them to morning light.

So if someone's not afraid of light, I can almost go, do this, do this, do this, do this.

And the protocol you guys have given, and they will do it now, a lot of them don't want to know what it means, how it means, and they just want to do it.

And I go, fair enough, just do it.

Right?

And then they report back to me the changes that have occurred and how they lose their fatigue and how they lose.

Somebody lost hives.

They had hives and they lost the hives.

Some had immune disorder and it disappeared.

It kind of, you know, changed the more light they got.

And you can't explain it.

It's just, I think it's nature.

It's body.

It's body talking to nature, body talking to circadian rhythm.

I think there's a whole world there, which you call quantum, that heals the body and brings it back to its true setting, how it's supposed to function.

But is it totally explainable?

No.

Does it happen?

Yes.

Are there results?

Yes, the results are there.

I think the science has to catch up with it.

But I believe in the results.

I don't care, you know, if there's results, then it counts to me.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

Yes.

And for each person that benefits, that that's a piece of evidence, whether it's in a double blind study or not.

It's that person has a changed life.

Terra Martin: But there hasn't been one client that I've given them the information that they haven't benefited to a small degree, to medium degree, to a large degree.

So to me, sold.

It's the way to go.

And plus, it's away from the medical.

Which we could talk for hours on that one, too.

Meredith Oke: We sure could.

So just to wrap up your, you know, approach to working with people, sort of.

It's a combination of hypnosis plus other modalities you've now brought in.

Circadian regulation, grounding, cold therapy when appropriate.

I love this.

And I'm just curious, when people come to you, do they come.

Like, I often talk to people when they're trying to, you know, write copy for potential clients, and I'm like, you know, it's like, speak to the problem.

No, no.

That they're experiencing.

So do people come in with, like, what are the most common things?

Right, Like, I want to stop smoking.

I want to stop yelling at my kids like, I'm broke all the time.

Or do they come in and say, I want to heal this trauma that happened to me?

Terra Martin: They're never that direct.

Generally, they come in and say, I have a problem with my mother.

So then I know it's generally the father.

They say, I am never afraid of anything, which means they're afraid of a lot.

But there's certain common things that are stress.

Like lately, you know, in the last five years, it's a lot of stress, work stress.

Covid has its.

You know, people are still afraid of COVID and the aftermath of not having friends for two years.

A whole bunch of stuff is created from COVID as far as emotional problems.

But the average person now is more.

I used to see a lot of cases, heavy duty cases, but I've tapered it down to more educational stuff.

Now people who want to get educated on their stress and want to, you know, live a fuller life, a richer life.

So if it's.

It's a different kind of clientele I've had from the early days where I was kind of in a.

In a medical clinic and taking the doctor's leftovers, and they say, well, we.

We're finished with, you know, experimenting on them.

They're yours now.

And I go, oh, gee, thanks.

Right.

Meredith Oke: What medical clinic?

Like, what was that?

Terra Martin: It was.

It was OHIP clinic, you know.

Ohip.

Meredith Oke: Mm.

Terra Martin: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: So OHIP for people who aren't from Ontario, Is it the Ontario Health Insurance Clinic Program?

Terra Martin: And we.

We.

We were hired as.

My husband and I at the time, were hired as the hypnotherapist in the clinic.

And, you know, OHIP would bill for us, and we would see what they gave us.

And it was about.

We were working about 12 hours a day, and we got everything that kind of they didn't want or they were done with.

And so at the time, this was in the.

This was in the late, late 80s.

Yeah, it was the late 80s.

And so hypnotherapy at that time in Toronto was still kind of like, you know, woo, woo.

Meredith Oke: Yeah.

I'm shocked OHIP even had you on staff.

Terra Martin: So are we.

So, so what we did is we had the front office, which was all glass, and we would.

Whenever we brought a client in, we'd pull the curtains.

So it was like hypnotherapy in the, in, in the closet, so to speak.

And then we would work with them.

And one lady came and she had a lump on her neck the size of an orange, and her husband had been a pain in the neck for many years.

So we worked with metaphors and we worked with, you know, her breathing and her techniques and.

And then after four weeks, the lump went flat because she was no longer angry.

She went back to school, she made something of herself, and he fell back in love with her and was happy ever after.

But the doctors wanted to know the scientific.

How did that happen and what did we do?

And we couldn't begin to explain it because she was doing it, we were facilitating it, and we were left there going, you know, we said to her, if you tell anybody that you're fixed, we're gonna.

We know where you live.

So it was, it was a, A different time in a different place in the 80s to do that sort of thing and get results and still be working in the medical profession.

So we did it only for about a year because then we went into private practice.

But it was a tough year because we were doing some amazing stuff.

But it wasn't recognized as amazing.

It was recognized as more just fluke or last resort.

Meredith Oke: Right, right.

Terra Martin: But it was a fabulous training ground to push us right into private practice, which is what we did.

Right.

Meredith Oke: Perfect.

Yeah.

You're all set up.

I know.

I'm trying to imagine that conversation.

Well, how did you do that?

Terra Martin: Well, exactly.

Meredith Oke: And you know, the thing that I find interesting is that the science is catching up.

I think there probably is enough science to explain these types of things, but they still don't care.

It's like, Right.

We could show them a mountain of work on Gilbert Ling or May Wen Ho or structured water and frequency and vibration and the energy bodies.

And it's still like, they'll be like, oh, well, it wasn't in this type of study, or you didn't do this kind of thing, or there's always a Reason, because their minds are just not going to accept.

Terra Martin: Exactly.

When I first found your site, I go, I know this.

I felt like this.

I know what this is.

Meredith Oke: Oh, I love it.

Yeah.

And so many people, especially, you know, people from, from a more medical or biochemical, you know, even if they're a naturopath field, they're, they're very intrigued by the idea of quantum biology.

But people from your world are like, oh, of course, you're just putting words to it.

There's just language to explain what's happening.

Terra Martin: Well, it's funny.

Hypnotherapy in those days wasn't hooga booga, but it wasn't medical.

So we really didn't have a place to a group.

We didn't have a peer group really because neither group wanted us.

The medical didn't want us for sure because we were getting results and the hooka boogas didn't want us because we weren't hooka booga enough.

We were more.

Meredith Oke: You're not woo woo enough.

Terra Martin: So we didn't make the grade either way.

Meredith Oke: Well, I think it worked out because you seems to have developed just an incredible approach and techniques combining like a very.

So many unique aspects of yourself and your work.

And so now is the.

The part where I ask you to share how people can find you.

But.

Terra Martin: I'm word of mouth.

I'm word of mouth.

Meredith Oke: Yes.

So I was gonna say, I'm sorry to say there is, there are no socials, there is no website.

Tara is OG OG word of mouth.

So I don't know what to say.

Is there any way you want, anything you want to say for people?

If they want to work with you.

Terra Martin: They can contact me and I can do it online.

Like I can.

Do you.

Meredith Oke: Do you work virtually?

Terra Martin: I.

I work digitally, yeah.

They can do it online.

They'd have to.

I can give them an email.

Meredith Oke: They can say, okay, you know what we'll do?

You can.

We'll make sure that you're set up with a profile in the QVC free community.

Terra Martin: Yep.

Meredith Oke: So if you go to the QVC free community, which you can join through qbcpod.com just click free community and people listening.

If you don't have an account, set one up.

It's free and it's a great way to find people like Tara and all the other guests that I've had on the podcast.

So if you go in there and you click in and you type in Tara T E R R A, her profile will come up and that will put your private.

Your contact information in there.

Terra Martin: Oh, I passed my boards.

Meredith Oke: Oh, congratulations.

Terra Martin: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: Board certified.

Applied Quantum Biology practitioner.

Terra Martin: Absolutely.

Yeah.

Meredith Oke: This is so exciting.

Well, I look forward to doing another interview with you down the road to hear hear how it's all coming together and what new insights you've had.

Thank you so much.

Terra Martin: Thank you.

Meredith Oke: This was super fun.

Terra Martin: Been a pleasure.

Thank you.