Neil Guy, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Thank you, Meredith.

It's wonderful to be here.

Very much looking forward to our conversation.

Okay, me too.

Because I have to say, I've had a lot of people on this podcast who've gone on a journey from the medical industry into metabolic and quantum health.

But I think you might be by the first big tech story.

Well, hopefully the first of many, if that's the case.

Yes, I think so.

I think that's what it's going to be.

Okay, so let's start sort of, we'll back up a little from where you are now with this incredible offer of an independent AI that is going to help us connect with information in the metabolic and quantum health space.

But backing up a little bit.

You were an employee of a.

Of a small company perhaps, perhaps people may have heard of, called Google.

And you are having health challenges.

So let's start there.

Yes.

So, yeah, So I spent 12, 12 great years at Google, actually, and my whole career has been in tech.

Digital mapping and geography was my first love.

Back to kind of university days when I came across computer programming and the fact that you could model the real world inside a computer and use that to ask and answer loads of different questions that obviously it was difficult to necessarily do in the real world.

And so digital geography was my first love.

I kind of fell into consulting, building software programs, and I ended up joining Google.

Being at Google for 12 years, really building the Google Maps, the Google Earth, kind of the developer platform that a lot of the, you know, developers.

Oh, I didn't realize that's what you worked on.

Yeah.

So I have to say, like, I'm just going to jump in for a sec.

Like, a seminal moment in my life in terms of my relationship with technology was when Google Earth first came out and you could look at the roof of your house and then hit zoom out and have it pull back and back and back and back and back and back and back and back until you were seeing the full Earth.

Like, I have to say, that was kind of a spiritual experience.

So that's really cool.

I think it was.

I think for most people.

I remember the first time that I used Google Earth and I was doing my Master's in Geographical Information Science in Edinburgh.

And, you know, typical kind of science lab, they had this underground basement with no windows, just kind of darkness.

And at the time we were using command line interface to run software programs.

And one of the other guys on my course said, hey, have you seen this new Google Earth tool?

And so we downloaded it and similar to you, I was just blowing, you know, going from this command line, understanding the world to being able to zoom anywhere in the world was just.

And from that moment I was like, right, I want to go work for Google.

A few years to get there.

But I ultimately did because I just, you know, Google's Earth and Maps mission, to kind of map every square inch of the planet and make that digitally accessible for everyone to understand, interact with the real world is a pretty amazing mission.

And So I had 12amazing years at Google, kind of being part of the team building that.

But as we said, I also then had kind of, I would say, my own health journey in parallel, which led to me in the end deciding to leave Google.

So, yeah, happy to dig into that.

So what was going on with your health?

Yeah, so if we'd have spoken probably about 11 years ago now, I was 260 pounds.

I'm pretty sure that I was pre diabetic and I'm sure fast track to many of the major chronic diseases.

And that was just travel, lifestyle work, thinking that sleep didn't matter.

And ultimately I hadn't connected the knowledge of how what I consumed and the kind of the environment that I live in and what I did to my body actually had a huge impact on health.

My kind of turning point, the seminal moment, was becoming a father at my daughter's christening.

Sport had always been a big part of my upbringing.

I swam a lot, played rugby, did a bunch of other tennis, different sports.

But I was so out of shape at my daughter's christening.

You know, family, friends and kids were playing football, soccer, kicking a ball around.

So I went to join in and literally after two minutes, I had to sit down because I was out of breath.

And I just had this seminal moment of how can I be an active father if I can't even spend two minutes kicking a football around?

You know, kids are running circles around me.

And so that just set me on a slightly new path because I had the right motivation to be the best father that I could be.

And so I just started to learn and educate, be more conscious about what I ate, put better foods in my body.

I.

I started exercising more.

Before I knew it, I'd signed up to a sprint triathlon.

I absolutely loved that.

And then went down the slippery slope into the kind of endurance, ultra endurance world.

So I kept on doing longer and longer triathlons until I eventually did a couple of full Iron Mans.

And so it was through that that I really got introduced to metabolic health.

Because when you're pushing your body for, you know, 9, 10, 11 hours straight.

Understanding how your body produces, creates energy is really important.

And so through that, I was amazed to learn that your body actually utilizes fat as a fuel source as well as carbohydrates.

Because the mantra and the paradigm is, you know, sugar and carbs.

If you don't have that, you're going to bunk after two hours and your body is going to stop working.

And so a lot of my time through that was focused on, you know, more lower carb approaches, making sure I had metabolic flexibility to utilize different fuel substrates because it makes you more efficient as an athlete, but also, as I came to realize in later years, it's much more healthy for you from a, you know, from a longevity perspective.

And so I would say that was my kind of first journey myself.

But even through that, I hadn't connected the dots of just how important our mitochondria and metabolic health were.

I thought I knew a lot, but actually didn't.

The second chapter of my journey was really then the impact of chronic disease on different family, loved ones and friends.

So I had very close family members being diagnosed with autoimmune diseases, with depression, with bipolar, different, you know, cardiovascular diseases.

But it was about two and a half years ago, almost three years ago now.

A very close family member's stage four cancer diagnosis really got me digging into what causes cancer.

How do you stop?

How do you reverse cancer?

And I came across the amazing work of Thomas Seyfried and Nasha Winters and the metabolic approach and theory of cancer.

And as I dug into that and realized that ultimately cancer is really a metabolic mitochondrial disease that is perverse and preventable through natural metabolic therapies.

And there are thousands of examples out there on the Internet of people having amazing success.

That kind of blew my mind that, because the common paradigm that you, that you read about through the news outlets, through all of the current modern technology platforms is cancer is a genetic disease.

It can be caused by, you know, environment and toxins and so forth, but ultimately, you know, chemotherapy, radiation, immunotherapy are the only ways to treat it.

But even at stage four, often they just extend life.

They don't tend to reverse stage four.

Whereas there are, you know, thousands of stories out there of people putting stage four cancer into remission.

So that really got me kind of understanding that the vast majority of these chronic diseases are preventable and reversible.

And I was still at Google at the time, and I remember having this seminal moment of back to kind of Google Maps and Google Earth.

And one morning before my day, I just remember thinking the world of digital mapping is in pretty good hands.

Everybody knows Google Maps, Google Earth, Apple Maps, you know, it's, it's such a pervasive part of everyone's lives.

And I then had this knowledge around how important mitochondria, metabolic health were.

And I thought that I knew a lot about health.

And I also realized this was the start of my journey.

I didn't even know about quantum biology yet or the importer of, you know, what the importance of water, light and magnetism.

But still back then I was thinking, well, I'm probably one of the most educated people that I know in my circles yet, you know, almost nobody, there's a very small population really knows and understands this.

And that was one of the main kind of, I would say, pivotal moments of me deciding to leave Google and make a new mission to try and help a billion plus people in true ex Google style.

You know, you can't have, you can't have, you know, simple, easy goals, but no small goals.

No small goals.

But when you look into the, obviously you look at the stats and you see that, you know, 93% of Americans are metabolically unhealthy and are on the fast track to developing one of the chronic diseases that.

Chronic diseases, you know, 74% of the world's deaths are chronic disease related.

It's like 54 million people a year.

And then you understand that probably 90% of those are preventable and reversible.

And I've seen from impact on my own family and through others the, you know, the suffering that happens in parallel with these chronic diseases.

So I was sat kind of thinking, well, the world's in good hands for digital mapping.

Very few people know, more people know, need to know about metabolic mitochondrial health.

And that was one of the pivotal, I would say, decisions of me deciding to leave Google and set myself this kind of new crazy goal.

Because yeah, the world needs more people, tools, technology, people, you know, amazing like yourself and the QVC and all of the network that you have.

Because a lot more people need to be educated about true root cause health.

Yes.

Wow.

And good for you for listening to that call, heeding the call, so to speak.

Right.

It's like you and I are not in and of ourselves health experts, but we got to the point where we're like, we know so much more than our peers and there is no one talking to them about this.

So how can we use our skills, our talents to contribute to the spread of, of this, of the truth really.

Is what it is and it's.

And it wasn't actually, I make it sound easier than it was to make that decision, but it was also, it was actually a really difficult, I would say, decision to make.

And actually, yeah, I mean, you have.

A wonderful job at one of the top companies in the world working on something that you like and believe in.

That is huge, what you did.

Huge.

Like, yeah, talk us through it.

Well, I was going to say actually it's part of my continual learning journey is for years I've tried to get more into meditation, but never really saw the benefit.

I stopped, started, stop started, stop started.

But around the time that a lot of this was happening, I'd managed to get back into the habit.

And so, but I was just doing kind of guided meditation, you know, kind of 20 minutes a day.

And I actually had just come back from, I went to the Metabolic Health Summit, which is one of the kind of conferences events in Florida.

So this was back maybe two and a half years ago.

And, you know, I'd obviously spent the last couple of years reading a lot into Metabolic Health, reading books, kind of devouring content and learning.

Being at that conference and, you know, seeing people like, you know, Ben Bickman present and kind of a lot of these people that have been reading their work and being surrounded that community obviously kind of just gave me a lot of sense of, wow, there's a really amazing community around this.

But I got back home and the following morning I was having, I was doing my meditation and again, just a guided meditation.

All of a sudden my brain just kind of switched into a different mode, different gear, and it was like the last kind of 20 years of different experiences all just kind of collided and this experience happened.

Maybe it was like 10, 15, 20 seconds, but it was just such an out of body experience.

And that was when this notion, inspired by others, that I need a new new North Star, I need to, I need something audacious.

And that's when I kind of came up with this, right?

My mission has to be to help a billion plus people to become metabolically healthy.

But I remember coming out of that meditation and immediately it was the negative thoughts of, you know, that's absolutely.

How are you going to do that?

How are you going to do that?

Who do you think you are?

You know, you don't actually know anything, you know, well, you obviously know something about metabolic health.

But all those negative things started and, but I'd listen to enough podcasts about that negative chat and so I literally, I went into the bedroom.

My wife was just waking up and I just said, I have to share this with you because if I don't share it with someone, then I might well chicken out of this and kind of not do it.

So I shared, I shared it with my wife.

And just even that accountability of kind of putting it out there helped kind of create the seeds for me to ultimately, you know, follow that.

But still, you've got this head versus heart of exactly what you just mentioned.

You've got a great job, a great team, a great company that you love.

But the counterbalance of that is actually there are people suffering out there with all these diseases that need help and access to information.

And so.

So, yeah, so it hasn't been an easy last kind of couple of years transition out of that.

But.

But it's, but it's, it's very pure and purposeful and that gives me, I would say, a lot of the drive to continue to try and build technologies and tools and other things that help people because the world needs it now more than.

More than ever.

Well, Neil, well done.

You know, I think a lot of people hear the whisper of inspiration and it's like, what?

No.

And, you know, some people maybe aren't in a position to do it financially or otherwise, but to be able to connect to that calling, to feel that higher level inspiration and.

See a way that you could help to meet a need in the world is.

Really inspiring.

So thank you for following it.

It could.

I understand it was not straightforward.

These things never are.

I sometimes hear myself being.

Yeah, and then we did this and then we.

Then we sold our house and moved to Louisiana for a year.

And people are like, yeah, yeah, but like the actual micro decisions and of.

Are we really gonna do this?

Oh, my God.

Like what?

I.

I totally agree.

Inspiration from, you know, people like yourself and others.

So I was listening to a lot of, you know, different podcasts at the time and, and yeah, others talking about, you know, through those challenging times and, and I think so much of it is back to, as you say, connecting a little bit more to the universe or kind of whatever you call it.

And I've been definitely been pulled in this direction for many years, but it was getting stronger and stronger and stronger.

And that's just where.

Yeah, I just, I had to tune into that and say, no, I think this is, I think this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

So, you know, let's.

Let's take a different turn in life and see where it leads.

Yes.

And this is, I think, one of the sort of unintended consequences of having really healthy mitochondria is that our mitochondria, you know, as we know, our antenna to our environment, but they're an antenna to all kinds of.

All kinds of energies.

And so our ability to be inspired, the kinds of ideas we're going to have, our ability to see, see a vision, I think all of these things are enhanced.

You know, even if we're just starting out to like, oh, I'm just going to improve my health a little.

It's like that is only the beginning.

It is.

I totally agree.

But this is also back to, I think, I would say one of also the reasons why we're calling the service Metabolic why is because there's this element of wisdom which has been there for the generations that knows this, that I think has been lost a lot through the last 50, 60, 70 years.

But I would also say, you know, a few years ago, if we'd have had this conversation, I would have been very dismissive, you know, of that.

But the more you learn, the more I think you kind of connect with yourself a little bit more, the more you start to, to realize that and the more you learn about mitochondria and which is one of the things that we're really trying to do with Metabolic wise is, you know, sadly, the biology textbooks, everyone still just thinks, oh, it's the powerhouse of the cell, it creates energy.

And okay, that's one of things it does.

But as you said, it is a truly kind of amazing organelle that actually controls what happens in every kind of cell tissue of your body through inputs, through the way it connects and signals to other mitochondria.

And the more you learn and understand that, then the more you kind of start to get curious and so trying to kind of build this into a service to meet people where they are that help kind of, you know, lead people there because it is, it's a journey for, for everyone.

But I've come to realize that they are, yeah, way more powerful than, than even I ever thought.

And even right now, way more powerful than we understand.

Even right now.

The science is pretty amazing.

Each day, week, year that goes by.

Yes.

And I think we're just at the very beginning the, the field of quantum biology is exploding.

Um, the, there are independent labs being funded all over the place.

A coup.

You know, even some universities are starting to have quantum biology labs, which is interesting because you can't actually study it in undergrad.

So it's like, it's, it's sort of like this decentralized phenomenon of curious scientists who are, who see the validity of it then coupled, I think we now have a lot of.

Investment from people who can see potential technologies and products coming out of it.

So I think that's where a lot of the funding has started to come from.

Which brings it back to, you know, what you and I are focused on, which is making sure that the, that the knowledge can be distilled down for regular people in their day to day lives.

And, and you know, if someone develops a light based cancer treatment that's FDA approved in 10 years, like amazing, but right now, like right this minute, and that's where I see what you have built to be just so, so crucial and important.

And I would love for you to explain what it is.

Yes, yes, of course.

Well, firstly, I would also, through this, I would love to hear, I would say your feedback, I know gave you access and you've had a little bit of a play around.

But let's start with the problem that we're trying to solve because I think it's always great to have that as a lens.

So the problem we're trying to solve, as you and most of your listeners I think know our healthcare system and the knowledge and technology are generally very good at acute care, but they really fail at chronic disease because they're managing symptoms, not really looking at root cause.

At the same time, everybody's lost in a sea of conflicting health information.

So for every article you read about something curing cancer, you'll read that it cures cancer.

So there's all this conflicting information.

And the main resources that people go to, like Google, ChatGPT, etc.

They don't have metabolic root cause understanding of the major chronic diseases.

So the answers reflect the majority of the science which has been big food, big pharma, big tech driven.

And so the facility, they're focused on isolated biomarkers rather than actual health outcomes.

And there is a lot of amazing kind of, you know, metabolic and quantum biology science out there, but it's dwarfed by the 90% of all of the rest of the studies which are kind of, you know, focused on very individual, specific kind of mechanisms.

And so what that leads to is when you go to Google and ChatGPT and you ask, you know, what causes cancer, how do you stop, how do you reverse cancer?

You won't get any mention of metabolic therapies that actually fundamentally understand the disease at its root cause.

You will get a reflection of, you know, chemotherapy, radiation, immunotherapy, all of these kind of, you know, I would say different standard of care, which generally don't tend to be very successful at reversing stage 4 cancers, whereas metabolic therapy has been very effective at reversing stage four cancer.

So that's the problem we're trying to solve.

So what have we built?

We've built an AI based tool called Metabolic Wise, which really, it uses AI and technology to really map and understand the world's credible metabolic health science, helping everybody to find evidence based root cause knowledge and really to help make sense of it all.

So we translate complex metabolic and quantum biology science into accessible wisdom through a chatbot interface.

And I think one of the amazing things about AI and chat technologies is it can meet you where you are.

And so if you have simple questions, it can give you simple answers.

If you have more complex questions, you can get more complex answers, you know, versus kind of the traditional way of, you know, having to spend hours reading books or reading articles to kind of find and dig what you want to, you can get to the heart of the question that you're asking, you can get an answer.

And we then link to science papers, to podcasts, to YouTube videos, to testimonials, to articles.

So and that's a very curated set of, you know, intentionally so.

And so people can then really kind of find and connect with content that can educate themselves and then they can hopefully go down this kind of rabbit warren of learning.

And, and we built in some of the cool features like suggested follow on questions which really kind of help to prompt to, for you to think down kind of different areas.

Because when you do look at kind of health and optimal health and disease prevention, mitochondria are a huge part of that.

And important into that are all of the signals that it takes a lot of people focus on food and nutrients, which is, you know, one port.

But as you know, light, water, magnetism are also really important signals that our mitochondria take in that ultimately impact how they, how they operate.

And so how to kind of, you know, explain that in a simple way to users that help build these follow on questions that pique their curiosity so they can go down the rabbit hole of any specific chronic disease or any aspect of it to really educate people so people can realize that they actually have a lot more power in their own hands than a lot of your listeners will know this already.

But also, I think we all have family and loved ones who aren't necessarily quite on the same journey that we are.

So one of the key kind of second users are for those people who want to share content with others.

So we've also got a sharing content where you can ask a question, get an answer, click share and that will effectively share just that question and answer with someone else.

So if you have somebody else who's suffering or you want to kind of share this knowledge wisdom with some podcast links and some articles and so forth, you can do that in a very simple way.

Rather than.

If I look back at my journey, I'm sure you're the same over the last few years is, you know, you have to spend hours searching and research trying to find the needles in there.

And then the person is like, you're like, here's my compilation of papers backing up that.

Why I mentioned the blue blockers.

It's like they don't want to read that, they just want to know that you're not crazy because they've never heard of what you're talking about.

And what I think is super, super, like just life changing about this is that a lot of the time when a diagnosis comes through or a health condition reaches a critical point.

Right.

Like the person and the experiencing it and the people closest to them are in crisis mode.

Yeah.

And that is a tough time to find the energy to research.

And so I think that is, you know, I often say that the medical system is a, you know, a crisis management system and they're very good at that, but.

They also in a way take advantage of it because you're not in a, you're not in learning mode when you're, when you get a stage four diagnosis, you're in freak out mode.

And so anything that can make it easier to get to the essence of what would be useful for you in that particular moment or for someone close to you who wants to do it.

This is a huge unlock, like huge.

Yeah.

So I really hope it's useful to that and really myself.

So I have two co founders, amazing people, Steve and Jess, who both have managed to reverse so called irreversible diseases.

Steve managed to reverse systemic lupus and Jess reversed LADA latent onset autoimmune diabetes through metabolic therapy.

And so one of the other key things that we've built into the platform as much as we can, that it's kind of limited at the moment, we're looking to try and expand that is testimonials.

Because one of the things that I certainly found with supporting my family member with the stage 4 cancer diagnosis is I want to find somebody out there who's had same cancer, same stage, same age, who've used Metabolic therapies to cure and you know, reverse that because there just simply aren't, you know, randomized controlled trials done about a lot of these things, you know, for its, for its own reason.

But for me, even just.

And I remember having to, you know, hunt around and kind of search and search and search to try and find those.

Because when you're in that crisis mode, if you can relate and hear somebody else has been through a similar condition.

For me, oh, actually there's not just one person, there's multiple, you know, different people.

I think that is a really important part of, okay, I understand the science, or I've now educated a little bit on the science, but are there other people who've done, you know, the same thing?

So really curating this combination of science papers if you want to read them, but you know, YouTube's articles, podcasts as well as testimonials is kind of really important because all of that factor into people's decision when especially as you say, you're in kind of crisis mode, facing one of these chronic diseases or a family member does, it just really helps shorten that path and allow you to ask all of the questions that you want and get immediate answers back.

So yeah, that's one of the other hopes that we have, that the tool will be really helpful for people, people in that situation, having been there ourselves.

Yes.

That's so cool.

Yeah.

And now I'm like, I'm thinking because at the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology, our next phase is to teach practitioners how to do case study write ups according to the standard, according to peer reviewed publication standards.

So maybe we could get a pipeline of case studies going in to Metabolic.

Wise would absolutely love that because it is one of the, yeah, there's just, there's not enough, I would say, well structured testimonial content out there.

There are a lot of good case studies that, you know, have been published and that's, you know, that's great.

But often I would also encourage, you know, people obviously love videos as well as, you know, reading case studies.

And so, so the more of that we can have, the better because there are so many amazing stories yet haven't been captured that can, you know, inspire others.

And hopefully people don't get to the point where they have one of these advanced late stage chronic diseases.

Because I think that's one of the other things that I've learned is, you know, the vast majority are preventable if you take the right interventions early on.

But convincing people to do that is difficult because it's Counter to everything that everyone's been told for the last 50, 60, 70 years, the modern world is set up really against that.

If you look at the.

The food environment, the technology environment, just the.

You know, the.

Especially if you live in a big city, the deck is.

The deck is stacked against you.

And so people need the knowledge to be able to understand how they can start to, you know, take control of that and stack the deck in their favor.

Because our bodies are just.

Especially the last 10, 15, 20 years, have been exposed to so much more stress from so many different angles than our bodies are designed for.

And I think, you know, the combination actually of mitochondrial dysfunction and nervous system dysregulation, and the two are very tightly connected, is actually kind of the root cause of pretty much all of, I would say, you know, the modern diseases, because we're just being.

Yeah.

Subject to so much more stress in different ways than our evolutionary biology is designed for.

Yes.

I mean, I was thinking about that when you were talking about your office space earlier.

Working in a basement in front of a bunch of screens.

Yes.

I mean, how many people, even if they're not in a basement, even if they're in a high rise.

Maybe the windows are a little better than a basement during the day.

But we're contained within these environments that are actively working against us on so many levels, and we don't even realize it.

And I think, you know, that's what we're, you know, you and I are both trying to get at is like, you know, knowledge is power.

It's like if I was eating, you know, gummy worms three meals a day, and someone was like, you know.

There is.

There is.

There are other ways to feed yourself.

It'd be like, that would be good information to have.

And so if you want to just speak to that for a minute, because I, you know, you and I have taken drastic steps, but, like, not everyone will or can.

And so just the idea of how a person who does have an office job can think about this, like, you know, if I was an office worker being like, neil, what are you talking about?

Like, how would you sort of walk me through that?

Yeah.

So I think the first thing to realize is, yes, we have both taken drastic steps, but.

But there was a little, you know, it wasn't kind of like just a light switch.

There was that pivotal moment.

But for me, I would say in 10 years building up to that, I was on this journey of learning and kind of educating myself.

So I think that's just, you know, one part of it.

Is a lot of people will ultimately maybe get to a tipping point moment.

But I think the way I would encourage approaching it is just, I would say, you know, be curious and really think about our biology through a little, just through an evolutionary lens and then just seek to understand where you're at.

And it's not like you have to make dramatic changes overnight.

Some people want to, it's more about how can you.

Okay, yeah, I'm in a, an office job, I'm in my, you know, my office.

What can I do?

Okay, well I can, you know, at least in the mornings I maybe I can get up and you know, see 20 minutes of morning sunlight to at least start to set my circadian rhythm.

Can I, you know, go out for lunch and at least get outside of the office to have, you know, some natural light exposure I would say during the day.

So there are small things you can do to lead, I would say towards that.

But then there's also then as you build up the knowledge base.

But to do that you need to be convinced that actually, you know, we're deficient in sunlight and it's a key driver of, you know, mitochondrial and metabolic health.

And so that's where why we built metabolic wise to make kind of, I would say these simple questions to start to help to educate people.

And I think a lot of it is then just around making small different changes and understanding that the environment and the signals that your body takes in are really important.

And then for everyone is going to be starting from a slightly different place which is also where I love the benefit of the AI kind of technologies and interface.

Because you know, you can start with that, it can start in light, you can start with sleep, you can start with food, you can start with nutrition, just start somewhere and then as you continue to be curious, you'll change one things you'll see hopefully changes in yourself.

And that will start this journey that you go on, which is a constant journey.

Because I think one of the other biggest misnomers that people expect is, you know, well, two things.

One is, you know, there's basically, there's one way of doing things which works for everyone, which is totally the opposite.

We're all individual.

But whilst we're all individual, what works for us will change at different points in our lives or when we're on different locations in, you know, on the planet or even when the context and situation in our life changes.

And that's where you know, you think, oh, I've got this set, I've got my, I know my own body.

I know my biology.

This is what works for me, for me.

And that may work for one period in your life, but five years later something different might work for you.

So this constant being open minded to change and adapt and evolve.

But I think the more that you can look at things from an evolutionary perspective and from a local seasonal perspective, kind of understanding where we've evolved from as human beings, ultimately mitochondria that have been around for two and a half billion years, you know, kind of way longer than anything.

And when you start to understand from that perspective, I think it becomes easier to start to make these changes because hopefully what reflects back from that is actually I'm starting to feel a bit better.

I'm starting to see or notice a change and hopefully for people it does lead to a significant, you know, change, whatever that is.

But I also think you can still have an office job and thrive and be optimal.

So it's not just to say, because it's not realistic.

I'm in an office right now, as are you, to just live out outdoors all the time so you can have this balance.

I think it's more.

How do you educate yourself just to stack the deck in your favor to keep your body in this nice, kind of more of an equilibrium state rather than a chronic stress state?

Yes, yeah, absolutely.

And understanding even just like how to stack the deck, it's like, oh, I didn't even know that this was, this was in the bad pile.

Okay, good to know.

And, and that's what, where again, I think the metabolic AI is so helpful because what I have found it's gotten a little bit better, you know, but like I'll have a conversation with somebody and then they'll go Google or they'll come into our community and they'll hear all the quantum biology nerds talking about something and they'll go Google it and they're like, and they'll come back and they'll be like, Google says this is not true or this is pseudo science or this is unproven or this is fringe science or the, this is all nonsense.

And it's, you know, to be like, well okay, we've spent the last five years waiting through, waiting through all of that to just be, send them to a resource that they can trust that will just give, bring them straight to the point.

Right, yeah.

So that is one of the hopes that we have for metabolic wise is it, is it can play that role because I think we all face exactly the same.

And this is, I would say back to the broader Challenges with AI and the large language models that built and developed, which is, they are absolutely amazing because they're ultimately trained on the world's information and resources.

They are largely biased by the sheer volume of kind of information.

Which is why, you know, you go to Google and ask, you know, does you know, does LDL cause heart disease, heart attacks?

And you know, all of these platforms will say yes, it does because there's been so much research funded looking specifically at, you know, the LDL molecule.

And, and so that's just where, so there's 95% of that which is not true root cause science.

It's just looking at an isolated part of the system, not looking at the system as a whole.

But you have, you know, 5% of the research which is then looking at the system at whole and you look at LDL and cholesterol in context and you realize that actually, you know, it's much more of a innocent bystander.

And there's other things driving heart disease which even I've only learned, you know, over the last kind of year or so, you know, the importance of structured water and some of these other things.

And so these large language models just reflect the corpus of knowledge of the world.

That doesn't necessarily mean that that is the best and most accurate knowledge.

And sadly, a lot of the science of research that's been done over the last 30, 40, 50 years hasn't been great because it's looked at separating the body into discrete organs and tissues and exploring those and you know, the various kind of biochemistry in isolation rather than ultimately looking at our body as this amazing intricate system, system that it is.

So if we can, so what we've really tried to do is to kind of curate the science and evidence that reflects that to hopefully then give a, you know, a different, different perspective that I think people who have seen the transformations that you can have by really focusing on your mitochondria metabolic health effectively know and realize that actually yeah, this, this, this does work.

This is what returns us to ready to health and optimal well being.

Yes, this is a really important bridge that.

And.

You know, I think what you've, I think there's, yeah, there's a big missing chunk in this bridge out of a purely allopathic model of health controlled by the medical industry and big pharma and big food.

And then because I often have talked about it feels like we're live, I live, there's like, I live in a different world than a lot of people.

Like they live in the, in a world where that is.

That is the only thing.

Yeah.

And we live over here.

Where that is one thing.

And it's totally incomplete is like incomplete.

And we live in this whole robust world.

But that there are not the bridges.

Are not there.

And so I think what you've done is to construct a really integral piece of the bridge.

Because once you see the robust research and evidence for this other model, then you can take a next step.

And it's like, oh, look at.

There's a whole world of doctors and naturopaths and practitioners and support people working out of that model that I didn't even.

People don't even know they exist.

Exist.

They don't even know.

It's like my doctor said.

I used this, this example recently.

I heard a young woman talking about.

She was given a diagnosis, was called like premenstrual dysphoria.

It's a new diagnosis that is like just extreme hormonal imbalance leading to suicidal ideation.

And.

Right.

And the doctor was like, yeah, you might need a hysterectomy to get over this.

And that was it.

And that she thought that was her options were suffer or get a hysterectomy.

Yeah.

So I totally agree.

So I always reflect back to just because I love the movies like most people do.

The Matrix and Right.

For me, Metabolic Wise and what we've built is designed to be the glitches in the Matrix.

And I love it.

And to offer you that red pill to choose to go ultimately into a totally different world because the reality is, and I was living in this world, I think you probably were as well before we managed to see the glitches and find our way out is we're living in a big food, big pharma, big tech driven world.

And it is literally it is, it is the Matrix.

So hopefully Metabolic Wise is, is helps people see the glitches and ultimately decide to take that red pill.

But as long as people do that, for me it's just all about empowering people with knowledge to make conscious decisions.

So as long as you're making a conscious decision about anything.

And there are some amazing things about, you know, the medical health care system.

Not discounting that back to my opening, which is great for acute care, not so great for chronic care.

Sometimes drugs can, you know, be a helpful short term bridge to kind of help you gain momentum.

But ultimately they all come with side effects.

None of them really treat our biological body.

And so the more you can empower people with access to knowledge, hopefully, you know, the more that they can.

Kind of at least make a conscious decision about what they do.

And if that is decided to go back and live in the Matrix, consciously, totally happy with that.

But I think most people will make the decision to live outside of the Matrix because when you know somebody who has cured an uncurable disease, you see the energy that comes from that, the energy that comes from knowing and connecting with yourself and your, you know, biology, having brain, heart coherence, all these sorts of things which even I'm.

I would say at the kind of early stage of my kind of, you know, journey of really dialing into that, you realize that you can live a much richer real life.

And naturally, the life that you really were kind of living wasn't really.

Yeah, it was.

It was a different life.

And it doesn't always lead to, you know, I would say, vibrant, healthy, healthy outcomes.

Yeah, no, not very often.

Okay, so I want to just talk about the.

Metabolic wise for one more second and then I'm gonna.

We're gonna go back to the Matrix and go cosmic.

So I just want everyone to understand.

Okay, so what you do is you go to mellow.

Okay.

It will be launched when I.

When this airs.

So you go to metabolicwise.com and there's a little.

There's a little box and it says, ask a health question.

And you know, I'm.

I'm noticing in trending questions, the cholesterol one is at the top.

Is cholesterol good or bad?

Right.

So, like, great, that.

Let's just start with that.

And then it's gonna.

It's giving me feedback, it's giving me links to podcasts.

If I just want to listen to a podcast, it's giving me studies if I want something hard to take to my doctor.

But it's coming.

It's skipping over that part that you talk, that you just talked about, Neil, where it's like cholesterol, high cholesterol, needs statins and will give you a heart attack.

Right?

Like, we've skipped that and we've just gone straight to like.

Yeah.

Looking at the important molecule that does everything from build hormones to, you know, 20 of your brain is cholesterol.

So like, foundationally, it's so important in, in the body and so it comes with it for.

Yeah.

Hopefully from a.

From a different, A different perspective.

And.

Yeah, so the first link it's giving me is cholesterol myths and truths.

A quantum biology and biochemical perspective.

Beautiful.

Okay.

The truth about cholesterol and quantum biology.

That's the next link.

And then there's you know, it breaks it down into brains and nerves, hormone production, light sensing, you know, all of, all of.

And then there's a list of top references.

There's a paper, a YouTube, a testimonial, an article and a podcast.

And you can sort of choose whichever works best for you.

And go from there.

Like, hopefully you see that.

So good, right?

Because I'm like talking to my friend who's totally healthy on statins because her cholesterol was slightly elevated as she's going through menopause and I'm like.

I could just send her this link.

Well, yes, well, well, very soon you will be able to.

So we are, right now we're expanding a little bit just into a broader kind of private beta access, so sharing it with a slightly broader community just to get feedback to make sure that it's kind of, it's robust enough.

But the feedback so far has been overwhelmingly pretty positive.

So we'll make sure that we.

Yeah, Neil, listen, just launch this effort.

Okay?

It's great.

I'll take the password off.

Tomorrow.

And so I would say that the two of the important, I would say things that are in there.

So one, hopefully the follow up questions are really interesting and useful as well because quite often you do have your own curiosity.

Other times those follow up questions can help kind of prompt.

And the second thing is there's obviously there's the share link as well.

And so your last asked question and answer, if you hit that share link, it will just copy a URL you can then put into WhatsApp, iMessage or email.

And so if you wanted to send to your friend, you know, what's the relationship between cholesterol and statins?

Or if you ask what are the downsides of, for example, of using statins, we should give a pretty good kind of answer to that.

So then you can simply share that with all the links and resources and then your friend will get that question and answer with kind of that same experience and be able to take that experience and go and ask their own questions.

Beautiful.

So good.

Yeah.

And then of course, if you then are like, oh, well, now I want a doctor or a health coach or someone who understands me through this lens.

I have a list of those.

We.

There are many.

Right.

Like it opens up a whole new world where you can then create your health support team.

Yes.

Populated by people who get this and you're not, you know, you might, you might have your insurance doctor.

Right.

Where you'll have to navigate through that.

But I, what I like to say to People is like have at least just one person in your life who gets this.

Even if it's like whether it's a health coach or your optometrist or just somebody with, with a background, you know, with a practitioner background who can support you through this.

Yes, absolutely.

So, so that, and that's part of some of the next steps of what we'll build is how to make it also easier to find those like minded people support and services.

Because having the knowledge is one thing, but you're absolutely right.

Having the support network of people to help you because ultimately we all need help in different ways is also a really important part of it as well.

Yeah, no, I think this is so fun.

We're really just on the cusp of.

I think circumventing big tech, which is, I'd love to wrap up on that topic.

You are very helpful and supportive.

When we got randomly deleted off YouTube and it really did cause me to reflect even more than I already had sort of on the role of big tech in our lives.

In the way that it keeps us, it's in some ways programmed to lock us into the matrix and in other ways is a portal to find all of the, to find like minded souls.

So someone who was like deep on the inside and is now way on the outside, what are your thoughts?

I would say it's similar to almost, almost everything in, in life and in our bodies which is everything can be a double edged sword and the things that cure you can harm you.

It depends upon, you know, the kind of different levels and states.

And so I think just understanding that is important.

Yes, tech and the big tech companies are a great tool and resource.

But also I think like you have learned through this process, you also can't rely on that.

You need to have a plan B, you know, a plan C and almost have this, build this kind of layer of independence around it.

So I think that's, that's really important because you know, and it's the part partly the nature of the capitalist kind of world and system which is they are now kind of, you know, driven by profits, by shareholders.

And I, at my time in, you know, in Google just you did see a culture shift, I would say, you know, more towards that.

Back in the early days it was, you know, and still Larry and Sergey's the kind of the founders letter that they wrote that you know, we're going to be an unconventional company.

They did stick to that for, you know, for a number of years.

But Google then ultimately lost that and it did, it did Just become a corporate company like any of the other kind of big companies.

But I also think.

And hopefully we're, you know, we're evidence of this is Metabolic Wise, which is it allows, you know, the advances in AI and technology are really allowing, you know, individual and small organizations to build really powerful kind of independent tools that do what Metabolic Wise does.

Or, you know, there's tons of other companies out there doing kind of pretty amazing things.

And so I think you just need to understand, you know, the double edge kind of nature of that and.

Then make sure you've got some alternative, you know, strategies.

Should your YouTube channel be, you know, accidentally deleted and still, I guess we'll never know exactly, just, you know, just what happened there.

But yeah, I think it's just, it's important and the more we can decentralize and kind of maintain a bit more independence, you know, around things, you know, you know, the better.

And so I think a large part of what's really exciting about the future of technology, if you look at, you know, blockchain and a lot of the things that are supporting much more of a decentralized system, I sincerely hope that, well, that is going to hopefully power a lot of the future of the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years to have much more decentralized systems rather than centralized systems.

So.

But obviously there's a big battle there.

Back to the matrix.

Yes, no, there is.

And I think we are living through the unfolding of a new paradigm.

It's not coming, it's here.

We're in it and.

We'Re all sort of making our contributions as best we can for decentralized truth seeking and truth telling to at least be an option if not the dominant force.

Yes, amen to that.

Yeah.

And then just on, you know, looking at AI from a broader perspective, I've had several people, you know, reach out to me looking to be on the podcast with AI based health companies and they're using AI for diagnostics and they've.

And different things like that.

And I just haven't quite like thought it through enough to follow up in one way or the other.

And I don't have a super strong opinion, but I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on, on the role so of AI in from a diagnostic clinical perspective?

Yeah, good question.

So, so that's where I think it can be incredibly powerful.

And this is back to just the principle.

The earliest stage you can spot that things are going wrong to then course correct the better.

So I do think some of these kind of AI diagnostic tools if they are trained in the right way to spot the right thing, can be super powerful.

But the combination of that is when you understand there's a problem, then what's the solution that's recommended.

And that's where again, you know, it's amazing.

We can detect cancer much earlier than previously stated.

But then the standard of care is okay, well still chemotherapy, still radiation, still do some immunotherapy.

You know, there's, there's very few places that are looking at natural metabolic therapies that could, you know, treat that much more effectively, much less toxically, much using your own body as, you know, to heal itself.

And so I think there's immense possibilities within that.

But so much of it depends upon then what that information is going to be used for really dictates how good an event outcome it will be.

Right?

Yeah, that, that makes total sense.

So it could be helpful in seeing where you are earlier and keeping track of things more easily.

But again, yeah, choice of what you then do with that information is so the key thing.

It really is.

But I also, but it's not to get yet testing and biomarkers.

I've got my own kind of specific perspective on this because you know, I think the world's gone a little bit too crazy around, you know, the, all of these different testing companies now, 150 like 200, 250 biomarkers.

And and for me all those biomarkers are just leaves on a tree.

And ultimately if you tend to the soil and the roots of the tree, those leaves will be the shape, the color, the size that they're supposed to be.

And that's going to be different for every single human being in the world because we're all different, we're all individual.

And there are some simple basic tests I think you can do to understand the soil and the roots that I would say negate a lot of this kind of advanced testing and so forth.

And so I also think, you know, there's hopefully some more interesting simplification that comes out of this.

Instead of chasing optimization of 150 or 200 different biomarkers which will self optimize.

If you have your, you know, your metabolic terrain and your autonomic nervous system, if you have them functioning and working together, then your, the leaves on your tree will be the shape and color and size that they're supposed to be.

Yeah, that makes, that makes perfect sense.

And we, I do, you know, I.

There are people where the quest for health sort of takes over their life and then people where the Quest for health is in.

In service of living a full life.

So getting going psycho on these biomarker spreadsheets.

Yeah, it's totally.

I am useless at tracking.

Like, every time I've worked with someone who's like, can you track this or that?

Or I'm like, I ate breakfast.

I don't know, what do you want?

So.

So I'm not good at that.

Well, this is where it's back to everyone's different.

Some people love the accountability of tracking it, and I would say so.

And so for me, it was actually a really important part of my journey at the start to help keep me accountable.

But I think what I've learned about all these tracking tools is if you're not naturally in tune with your body, which I wasn't back then because I was just abusing my body from, you know, from pretty much every single angle.

And when you do that, you are.

I would say a lot of it is personal context.

But, you know, I couldn't read my body's signals.

So tracking and understanding things and seeing kind of, you know, getting feedback from wearables and stuff really helped me tune into my body.

But then I also found then once I'd done that, I could put those tracking devices away.

And then I was much more in tune with my body.

And so for me, all of the tracking devices are just tools to help people connect with themselves more.

Some people need them, some people, you know, don't.

But over time, hopefully you can intuitively get to know your body and therefore rely on them less.

But sometimes it's still useful to kind of, you know, keep track based on, you know, what's.

What's going on in your life.

Yeah, I agree.

And, you know, I think, like, whatever a person needs to get to the next step and seeing that data is super helpful.

And I did wear an aura ring for, I don't know, like, six or eight months or something.

And I learned some really interesting things about that I was not paying attention to.

I was expecting it to.

I didn't want to wear it because I'm like, it's going to tell me to exercise more.

And I know.

Like, I know.

Okay.

And I started wearing it and it would give me these little messages, and it was the opposite.

Was like, yeah, you haven't had any restorative time today.

You might want to take care of that or you're going to be.

You're not going to have enough energy tomorrow.

And I was like, oh, thanks, aura.

And I actually hadn't, you know, and I Was you know, again working with someone who was supporting me who know was like, yes, you need to, you need to like fully rest and like.

So unloading the dishwasher doesn't count?

No.

Sit down, sit down and be still.

Oh, okay.

Right.

So yes, we all, we're always on a learning journey.

So, so yeah, that's, that's, that's a great, it's a great insight and so but sometimes it will tell you the things that you know that you don't want to admit to yourself.

But that's also back to making conscious decisions which is, but yeah, so the technology, it's like, like so many things, it's a double edged sword.

So I think yeah, at least try it and use it and kind of learn something from it.

But hopefully then as you've done, once you learn those things, then put it down for a while, get in tune with your body and just kind of dip back in as and when you.

As and when you need.

Yes.

Beautiful.

And would be so will be so fun when more and more people understand this and can connect to the information behind it.

So Neil, I want to thank you again for taking the risk and heeding the call to build out this tool.

It's going to be so exciting.

Let us know how, when people can access it if they want to be one of the testers, can they do that?

What are the plans for Metabolic Wise?

Yeah, so hopefully when we release it, we'll probably time releasing this podcast with it openly available.

Right.

Which should be in the next, in the next couple of weeks.

We are kind of that close and I would say look between now and then.

Yeah, I'm happy to, to share with, you know, with a few others if there's people that are interested to test.

But yeah, by the time this goes out it will be available.

So people just need to go to metabolicwise.com and then ask your questions or there's some.

Yeah, there's some trending and pre planned questions that people can kind of get started.

Yeah and right now there's not.

There's no login, there's no paywall.

It's just for just there to be used.

Is that what it's going to be like?

So that, so that is the plan.

No login, no paywall.

At the same time we probably will introduce a login but that's purely just to know humans are there.

A lot of people do want more of a personalized experience.

They want to store chat histories like you can in most of the other kind of major AI platforms.

So we are going to build that in, but initially we just wanted as minimal barriers as possible because the mission of the company is to empower and educate people.

So I say, yeah, so the plan is for it to be kind of openly and freely available to people to use and share and hopefully, you know, educate themselves to make.

Yeah.

Make their lives better and live in better, more optimal health.

Onward.

Hurrah to that.

And for everyone listening, if you ever wish, like, you had a really simple way to, you know, just get a very specific reference or something to somebody who needs it, this is going to be really helpful to you.

So, Neil, thank you.

And we should chat again.

I'd love to check in, you know, down the road and see how things are going and what you've been learning from people's searches.

I think it'd be really fun.

Yeah, no, we'd love to come back on.

Yeah.

Once we've.

Once we've launched and we've got hopefully a nice.

A nice healthy user base of people using it.

So, yeah, I would love that.

Thanks, Mary, if it's been.

And I would just say thank you again, because if you hadn't taken your leap of faith, I have learned a huge amount through your podcast and through, you know, others in this space.

So Sarah Pugh, she sits on the science advisory board of Metabolic Wise.

So we've got Sarah Pugh, Ben Bickman, kind of quite a few different, diverse, kind of big names in the metabolic health space.

And I've learned so much through your podcast and through their work because I'm still on my educational journey, I think, as are you, as.

As are everyone.

So I really appreciate the work that you and the team do at qbc and we'll definitely partner more moving forward because people need more great content, resources, testimonials and stories.

And so the more we can make that happen and make that simple and easy for everyone, hopefully the better.

Great.

Yeah, maybe we can.

We can collaborate on getting more testimonials from our.

From the audience here.

Anyway, if you want to do a testimonial for Metabolic Wise, let me know.

Yeah, reach out.

We would absolutely love to do that.

So.

Yeah, because that's probably the.

Yeah, there's just.

There's tons of podcasts and articles and YouTube videos, but I would say really robust testimonials out there.

There's.

There's just a lot less.

So.

So, yeah, so you're looking for like a video.

Video testimonials generally direct directly from people who have recovered their health.

Yes.

So directly for people.

So right now, you know, effectively anything, you know, if there were great testimonials on YouTube, then we bring them in, but we.

We look at them, obviously they need to have kind of a bit more evidence around, you know, what the person was suffering with, you know, what they ultimately did to help reverse that.

If they've got any supporting your kind of data behind that, to make it a little bit more of a robust.

Very similar to, you know, to.

I would say, to publishing a case study.

So if people have those, then please send them through.

If not, one of the next plans is to set up just a simple platform that people can ultimately kind of, you know, record and create these testimonials.

So, yeah, we'd love to collaborate.

Yeah.

Now, I'm thinking while we're doing if, when we're doing the case study workshop, we could add in testimonial.

You know, here's how to write it up as a case study, and here's how to record it as a testimonial.

Yeah.

And we can provide the tools to do that as well.

So.

All right, now we're sharing our business meeting with the audience.

I'm sure they're enjoying it.

Okay.

If anyone else has ideas, let us know.

Right.

We're building.

That's the quantum universe.

We can do what we want and build what we want.

And we are.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Thanks, Neil.

Thanks, Meredith.