Way.

Wait.

Begley's just like, I'm just here, so I don't get fined.

He's Mark, I feel like you are well.

You are the one who's here, not well, not by choice, as.

It was under protest.

Protest, if you're under protest.

Mike picked the movies this month, and this was the last one of the month, and this is the movie of the month, as far as I'm concerned.

So maybe it's a good thing you're joining us, Mark, I don't know.

I hope so.

It's a bad thing.

Oh well, as you can tell, Mark Begley's excited, as am I because on this episode of the Culture Cast, I'm still your host, Christashue, and I am joined by the man who put Mike White in Mike White March.

Mike White, that's me and all the way from Cambridge and with Shawn, your friend and mine, Mark Begley, smart clown.

Huh, Christ, And that's right.

If you have been joining us for Mike White March, you know that we've been talking about Middle of the Road Robin Williams movies as picked by Chat GPT and dear God in Heaven, we have made it, folks.

We are now at Schmaltzville, USA.

You've heard of flavor to, Now welcome to Schmaltztown.

Sentimentality rules the day.

Folks, we're talking about nineteen ninety eight's comedy film Posedly, directed by Tom Shadyak, written by Steve Odekirk.

Yes, the guy who put faces on thumbs, your friend and mine.

We're talking about Robin Williams's oscar bait film, Patch Adams.

He's not recommended by the Surgeon General.

For your humor to heal pain and suffering.

He's not certified by the AMA.

If you want to be a clown, go join the circus.

And four out of five doctors surveyed Donor Carty of fifty eight, I don't know what to make of him.

The hospital will cover all of your bills any other questions.

It's nominated for two Goldie Globe Awards, including Best Picture and Best Actor.

Robin Williams Secure TV Folk on air.

Patch Adams streted PG thirteen starts Friday.

It's Caesars Everywhere.

So film is like I mentioned, Directed by Tom Shadyak with a screenplay by Steve Odekirk, based on the book gazoon Tite.

Good Health is a laughing matter written by the real Patch Adams hunter Patch Adams.

But hey, don't let Robin Williams fool you.

His name is Patch and he'll keep correcting you every single time you don't say his name.

And the movie tells the story question mark, possibly of the real life Patch Adams, a doctor with some radical ideas who thought that laughter was the best medicine of all.

Fast forward to the end of this movie.

Even Patch Adams hates this movie because this movie is not is based on a true story in the most what's the word loosest of loosest of definitions, based on a true story Patch Adams is.

So there's gonna be a lot to talk about.

If you have never seen this movie, I would actually suggest pausing this and going and watching it, because there's gonna be a lot that we're going to talk about.

I feel like there's a lot here with this movie, not just it being a biopic, but it also being an Oscar bait movie and of Robin Williams movie.

So with all of that in mind, mister Mike White, I'm gonna turn the floor over to you for one last time this month.

My god, what have you wrought Mike what have you rot?

Was that my question?

What have I wrot?

I guess what is Robin Williams rott is probably a better question.

And Tom shed yeah.

Oh boy, yeah yeah yeah.

Very strange that Odin Kirk was the guy behind this.

I would never have had you held a gun to my head and tell me one hundred writers that I could have written this movie.

Odenkirk's name never would have come up.

I mean, to be fair, though, it's so poorly written.

It's like a guy who has no talent in terms of drama is writing a dramatic script.

Huh.

Well, it's interesting that you said, I think it was last week when we were recording, that you had never seen Good Morning Vietnam.

Correct.

Basically, this is Good Morning Vietnam.

Oh okay, cool, this is like except bad.

Yeah, this is like the dumbed down version of Good Morning Vietnam.

I mean two, I mean the whole thing with Bob Gunton being that kind of hard ask.

I mean for he basically says like I'm going to turn you into soldiers.

He is the drill sergeant of this movie.

I'm very surprised that they have Oh god, I can't remember the actor's name the guy from Fargo as the dean who he's able to kind of go around because it's just like, oh, yeah, here's the crusty old proft who's going to kick him out of college.

But then no, he's just able to go to the dean and say, no, I really want to be here.

Oh okay, well yeah, don't worry.

Just just try to stay away from that professor, like what.

It seems very odd that he's just able to get around that.

It really kind of takes all of the on flip out of the movie.

Really didn't eat dinner, didn't eat dinner here he's going to McDonald's.

That's what I'm talking about, Gunderson.

So Mark Henderson, Yes, it was Mark Begley.

Same question to you, my friend, what did you think of Patch Hunter Patch Adams the film?

Oh?

Was that the question?

What did I think?

I thought?

You said, what did I rock?

Not awesome?

But what did you think of the movie?

Also?

Okay, yeah that was pretty much I thought.

But yeah, U never seen this movie before.

Always get it confused with Awakenings just because it's Robin Williams as a doctor and.

Using unconventional methods.

YESOMEO remedies.

I saw Awakenings in the theater and enjoyed it.

I don't think i've seen it since then, but I have a feeling it's a lot better than this film.

I'm may be the only one that didn't hate this movie, though.

You know what, I didn't really hate this one either.

I kind of let the schmaltz and the heart strings get plucked.

I have to admit I teared up a couple of times.

And I know that they were that's exactly what they were gunning for, and it worked on me.

Wow, yeah, I can't.

If you didn't, you know, have any feelings during the Peter Coyote scenes, I don't know what to tell you.

You may be dead inside.

That's fair, that's fair.

That's there are a handful of scenes in this movie that work.

But this movie's two hours long.

I mean, this is a long.

This is a The problem is this is still a biopic, which means it still has to hit certain notes, like and those notes are fucking ovo you see those notes coming from ten miles away, twenty miles away.

May this may be going way too far ahead in the film, but and I know that this character is not a real character from his life.

But when she says men have been attracted to me my entire life, Oh that got me too, Yes, yeah, because you know what she's getting at.

She puts the hard stress on entire and he finally gets it and we all get it.

And it's at the very tail end of the film and very manipulative, but it's still that's that's a horrible thing to hear.

Yeah, it feels like the real backlash against this movie was the I don't want to be manipulated.

I can see you're trying to manipulate me, and yeah, hundred percent, I could see it, like you were saying, coming from miles away.

It was like, oh, okay, here's this character, and this is what's going to happen.

Yeah.

I mean, we have seen this story play out so many times.

But I was kind of there with you, Like I was a little mad at how they were trying to manipulate me, but at the same time, I'm just like, this really isn't that offensive.

Like again, I thought this was going to be super like, yes, it's schmaltz like crazy, but I wasn't angry at the schmaltz.

I was just like, yeah, okay, this is just what it is.

It's just an Oscar baby type of movie, and it's stacked to the rafters when it comes to the cast.

I mean, you mentioned Peter Coyote just didn't hear for what like ten minutes if that?

Like two three seeds barely even get to see the guy.

For the most part, He's being introduced through him yelling at nurses, and it's not until midway through the film that we actually I could see him for the first buy.

Yeah, that's that was a little odd though, his I mean kind of already spoiled it.

His death scene when his family leaves and patches the one at his bedside, when he goes like, can we flip this?

That was weird.

That felt very manipulative, But still it was a touching moment.

I don't know, and I'm usually pretty cynical about stuff like that, but you are maybe I was, I don't know, in some kind of mood yesterday when I watched it.

The one thing though, that did really bug me about this movie and this idea of the kind of lone wolf going against the grain fighting authority, is that it smacks of self righteousness and arrogance, as in this person knows better.

I mean that, and that's the struggle in the film.

I mean, it's the back and forth between him and Shashank Warden the whole movie.

You know, the I know better than you.

I'm the first year med student, but I think that people should be treated this way or it should be done this way, and laughter needs to be a part of this.

And you need to get personal with your patients.

And there's a reason that first year med students don't get allowed to see patients, a very good reason, since they don't know what they're doing and if they caused harm, it would be a very big problem.

But aside from that, you know that just that idea of I had it in my head yesterday to another good example of that in film, I mean, good Born in Vietnam is sort of the same way too, where that's not as serious a situation because it's just him being a fucking radio host, but that idea of whatever his trauma and history that's formed this idea and being in the Middal hospital at a young age and all that, but it still doesn't supersede all of those kind of important rules in a hospital setting.

And that sort of irritated me the whole time, Like, I know, we're supposed to be gunning for this guy because you know, laughter is the best medicine.

Blah blah blah.

But yeah, there's a good reason why you don't start a clinic and treat patients when you don't even have your degree yet.

There's a good reason for this.

So how dare you how dare you not care about the patient, smart Bagley?

How dare you think only of their disease?

No, you can't.

Clearly the movie said you can't.

Therefore you can't.

Hey, as a person who was pretty recently in the hospital, you can do both.

Everybody that I encountered was very pleasant, and generally they know what your name is because it's all over your paperworker on the computer that they're typing into.

So they talk to you and pretend to care at least, and ask you how you're doing and how you're feeling and can they do anything for you.

And it's not just oh, you know, a group of students come around a patient and go, this is a broken femur number twenty two.

We've implanted a pin in his leg, just you know, not acknowledge you.

It doesn't really go that way maybe it did in nineteen seventy one or whenever the fuck is supposed to take place.

But you know, it's that kind of stuff where they show the one extreme and then he's like the only person that asks to patient their name.

It's like, I'm sure other doctors do this kind of thing too, you know, they're not all heartless.

Phillip Seymour Hoffman's right, yeah.

Fuck that guy, you you pig fuck phillipss In this movie.

For I just kept waiting for his turn.

I'm like, when is he gonna turn?

Well, yeah, turn, yeah, But he disappeared for a long time, so I was like, oh, I guess we don't get the turn.

But then he came back and it's like, oh, we're gonna still get the turn.

In a role for supporting actor Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Mitch Roman, Patch Adams, that God.

So look, I have seen this movie before.

I had seen this movie growing up on dives.

I did not see this movie in theaters, but I know I saw it on DiveX.

I don't know why it sticks out to me, but I remember seeing it, and I don't know, I don't remember enjoying it as a kid, I think that that's more understandable obviously, like why what like eight or nine year old is going to get any enjoyment out of this movie?

None?

But as an adult I still I will say still, as an adult, I find this movie to be just kind of the worst example or best example, depending on how you look at it, of this kind of movie being made at this time.

And and like you both have already alluded to the intentions behind the filmmakers being blatant and like like subtle, as subtle as a fucking hammer over your head most of the time, like this is this is this is subtlety by way of like Gallagher smashing watermelons on State, Like this is so unsubtle what Robin Williams is doing.

And look, I don't blame Robin Williams one bit.

He's he turns in a believable performance, but he's also just kind of playing himself, is what it feels like.

It does stick.

His shit comes just like the Chevy Chase movies we talk about.

It's like when are we gonna get the stick?

And every time he's performing for especially the sick kids and stuff, it's like, well, there it is.

Yeah, he hears just a million times.

Here's why he's in the movie again, and it goes back to and Mike, I think you would agree.

It goes back to what we were talking about with Man of the Year, which is, wouldn't it be crazy if Robin Williams was and then fill in the blank and Man of the Year it was wouldn't it be crazy if Robin Williams was the president?

This movie?

It's wouldn't it be crazy if Robin Williams was a doctor?

However, to your point, Mark, he'd already played a doctor in Awakenings, So again here it's more like, wouldn't it be crazy if he was a doctor who cured people through the magic of laughter?

Because Robin Williams is a comedian.

You ever heard of the healing power of laughter?

This summer, Robin Williams will make you believe laughter is the greatest medicine.

It's not.

I mean, yes, laughter obviously helps.

Yes, being in a positive state of mind helps.

What the bleep do we know?

Talks about the way you can positively charge the ions in water, and human bodies are made up primarily of water, so there may be some positive benefits gained by being positive and in a positive state of mind.

Sure, I'm not disagreeing with Patch Adams of the movie or Patch Adams of the real life person that the movie's based on.

However, I think it is so unfair to put Robin Williams in this movie and expect him to elevate it above a mediocre script, because the script is insanely mediocre.

The storytelling devices and narrative conceits are lazy, and they are by the book in ways that you guys have already alluded to with other movies, I mean, even movies in Robin Williams's own film canon of films, with Good Morning Vietnam, a movie he was again lauded for.

He was nominated for an Oscar for I believe like a comedic performance in a comedic performance in a dramatic film.

Or however, you want to view Good Morning Vietnam from what I can tell of the movie, because I want to watch it obviously, now have we talked?

It's pretty much that right.

It's kind of like it's like it's like this looks like this it's about Vietnam.

But again, you have Robin Williams in it, So how dark can we really get like it's not what dreams may come.

They hadn't fully embraced removing comedy from Robin Williams's shtick completely.

And that's the other thing I'm not saying, have Robin Williams as a doctor without the stick, but but but actually have Robin Williams as a doctor without the stick.

I'm I don't know, like Chevy Chase's stick at the point we're at now with our chevy Chase podcast, we are tired of the shtick.

I'm not saying we're tired of Robin Williams's shtick at this point in nineteen ninety eight.

Far from it.

I think he's at his kind of like almost his peak here really in a lot of ways in terms of like visibility for the film audience, maybe not so much TV, but he is, I mean, Robin Williams is saddled with one of the more I would say, in my opinion, you know, may major Hollywood biopick like lazy lazies Like this is one of the laziest major Hollywood biopicks I've ever seen, because it it in a lot of ways, Robin Williams is putting in a lot of effort in the performance and the movie around him is just going through the motions, and the manipulativeness of the movie is part of that.

And I feel like this movie's manipulative nature is what people know about it now, Like that's what people know is like the schmaltziness.

And to y'all's point, you know, love it or hate it, it did not work for me.

It felt insanely manipulative.

But the problem is that you put Robin Williams in it, who clearly he can get emotions out of both of y'all.

I was crying in the first ten minutes of Missus Doubtfire, okay, like like, and that's because Robin Williams can play a sad sack, and he plays a sad sack in this movie.

It's just it feels so unearned because the movie surrounding him is not elevating itself to the level that his performances.

I'm not saying this is the best Robin Williams performance, but he's pretty good in the movie.

But but when has Robin Williams not been good?

But licensed to wed that was about it for this month, really, like that was the one thing this month We're like, eh, he's not great, but everything else we've been like, He's honestly not the problem in the movie.

Once again, the script fails.

Robin Williams.

So can I Can I say something about Goodwill Hunting?

I'm good Will Hunting.

Wait, say something about Goodwill Hunting too.

If you want the.

Other good movie, Good Morning Vietnam.

The true hero of that film is Bruno Kirby.

So let's just get this, you know.

That should have been the Oscar winning performance of that film.

I like, I grew up with Mark and Mindy and was close to being obsessed with Robin Williams as a kid, and so when he started doing films, I was very interested.

I saw World.

According to Garp at some point on TV, still one of my favorite movies.

Yeah, ero ero.

Robin Williams stick in that film, which I think is a benefit to the movie definitely overall.

And I saw Moscow on the Hudson in the theater and was very disappointed because I was still probably like ten years old or something, so that didn't work for me.

But I was still always interested in what he was doing as far as films, and since Mark and Mindy's had ended and all that, but my point to this is like world according to Garp and Goodwill hunting.

I kind of prefer when he's not doing his shtick in the film, when he's being somewhat dramatic, and they could make it work.

It's just they're forcing it into places where it doesn't belong.

Yeah, and it could make it work.

I mean, it's not a far cry to believe Robin Williams' comedic stick could have worked in this movie.

But they're like inserting it where it just doesn't belong.

And it's like, and it also bugged It also bugged me because it's taking place in hospital rooms and he's very loud about it and he's not supposed to be there, and so again my my brain, which can't handle it, I'm like, Okay, you know you're not supposed to be there, and you're walking around with bedpans on your feet.

Yeah, make it easier to get caught.

I don't under you know, I.

Get the whole deal.

I get why he's doing this.

And thank god, you know, none of those kids was on their deathbed and be you know, at least we didn't get manipulated that way.

But why not?

So my question is why not?

Like I don't understand why not, Like, why does the movie pull that punch?

It's it's it's unwilling to pull every other punch, but the one having seen that they took out.

Who knows, you know, this is too much.

I didn't see any inform I didn't see any information about them taking that out.

I didn't.

I don't I know, but I mean, look, the movies known for its schmaltziness.

Why was that not the thing?

Like?

Why did they they had to have Peter coyote?

Coyote was always said it wrong, They had to have him instead.

They were like, he's an adult, it's okay.

But then the optics of that scene in and of itself are weird because it's like, there's no there's no world where this guy's family's like, all right, stay with the doctor, okay, well.

Leave, I'm letting this guy.

He's not even I don't even think he was in there yet.

And why does he come in and start massaging Peter Coedy's feet and singing like is he paraplechic or something like?

I never got what his ailment was.

And yeah, I'm very surprised that that little girl who looked like she was going through cancer treatments.

I'm very surprised that they didn't have a death scene for her or more of that, or like her getting better and coming back at the end and being like and that's why doctor patch Adam saved me, you know, like something where it was like, go ahead.

She was at the hearing.

I believe she was one of the kids at the hearing.

I think I saw her in there, so.

Well, no, she did that.

There were yeah, she she she came in at the end in the in the in the deification scene where he is deified and sent to heaven, which is what it felt like, like my god, I don't know, Like there are moments in this movie where it's like Steve Odakirk was like, oh, yeah, got this opportunity.

I have Robin Williams go in front of a whole room of like meat packer people.

It will be so funny, tonally discordant with the rest of your goddamn film, Like, so again you have Robin Williams.

Cool.

However, to Mark's point, Robin Williams is clearly not a one trick pony at all.

His ability to be a dramatic actor is is real.

Like he again, like you want to pigeonhole him as a comedian.

He's an actor, Like, there are plenty of comedians that would not call themselves actors.

I would think Robin Williams would call himself an actor and a comedian.

I don't know when which order, if there was an order that he cared about, but the way he's being written for is like a comedian without any acting abilities.

Like and yet when you see him on screen, even in those moments where you know, the scene where they're in the hallway of the hospital and like this woman is a you know, diabetic and her feet and blah blah blah blah, and he's like, what's her name?

Like that seems heartbreaking, And Robin Williams is again like just elevating a really lazy, obvious script because he is just a genuine, believable, like charismatic act.

But so much of this movie is just like you can see this shit coming from a mile away, like the kids coming back at the end, or his friend being murdered, or again like you know, this whole big kind of scene at the end of the movie, this stand you know, everybody stands up in cheers moment, like literally they stand and giving him a standing ovation at the end of this movie, like it's again, it's just so obvious.

I don't understand.

I don't understand why Steve Odakirk thought he could get away with this in nineteen ninety eight.

And I'm not surprised that this movie was successful.

But this movie's successful because of Robin Williams and almost nothing else.

Like the movie was pretty much like widely panned by critics at the time for the over like overdone sentimentality and saccarin nature of the movie.

Like the critics at the time are like, uh huh, but the movie made a ton of money, so you know, Captitaliz, I can't be wrong.

I was actually expecting it to be worse.

So I think I was coming in with my expectations being just rock bottom and being like, oh, this is going to be a shit show.

It wasn't a shit show.

It wasn't great, but it wasn't a terrible There are a few filmmaking moments where I'm just like, I'm not exactly sure what's happening here.

There's one moment in particular with Philip seymour Hoff and I think it might be their first meeting where he's looking at Williams.

They cut back to Williams.

They cut back to him, and he's got this weird look out in his face, and I'm just like, what was that?

Like, did we just miss something?

Like he has this very sour look on his face.

I'm like, okay, I understand he doesn't like him, but it just felt like they were missing an interaction right there to really put that sour look on his face.

And how sad is it watching this movie with Philip Seymour Hoffman and Robin Williams sharing these scenes together and you're like, man, they were dead with it just a few months of each other.

Yep, same year.

Yeah, yeah, so sad.

I mean both of these guys and you watch this Phillip Seymore Hoffman character and I'm just like, did he escape from like dead Poet Society?

Because it feels like we're just about in that era.

You know, I'm like waiting for him at the end to stand up on a desk and say, oh, captain, my captain or something.

Yeah.

You know a lot of I kept having to remind myself, Okay, I believe we're still in the early seventy because none of his attire fits for that era.

But and even even Monica Potter's character kind of not really her hair style, but Philip Seymour Hopman has the look, and a lot of the extras had the appropriate looking.

Of course, they're playing all the music from that time, but it was really.

Really taking me back to Good Morning Vietnam.

Especially there was one song where it's like, wasn't this in the Good Morning Vietnam soundtrack?

But I think it might have been the Big Chill soundtrack.

Yeah, same timeframe, rough little later than Good Morning Vietnam maybe, but yeah, I just kept having to remind myself we're still in the early seventies.

I mean, he had he didn't make it to his third year until way late in the film, like, oh now he's finally a third year medical student, but he's kind of been roaming around the hospital all this time, even though Shaw shank wordon doesn't you know, is going to catch him at any moment.

Yeah, that was a little bit confusing because yeah, people wore Wan shirts back then, but not that kind like they just looked too modern to me.

All his clothes looked too modern to me, and it was it was throwing me off.

Maybe that was a stipulation of his.

I don't know, and maybe Petty Adams, maybe Patch Adams wears Hawaiian shirts.

Yeah, there was one moment where he's wearing like a I think it's a bright red shirt.

No, it's it's purple shirt and red pants.

And I'm like, is he auditioning to be a Batman villain?

Like it just looks great, Like.

I understand, like, oh yeah, this guy doesn't fit with the system.

He wears strange clothes and multi colored clothes, and he's the brightest, most brightly lit person there.

And it's like, okay, yeah, but there are times I'm like, that's a little much right now, Like just walking across campus in this outfit, holy shit, Like turn it down, turn down the brightness a little bit.

Best I can tell if you look at some of the pictures of him online that is that is the case.

I mean, even his Wikipedia picture has him wearing like a rather brightly colored shirt.

Look, I'll tell you the scene, the scene in the movie that works for me, and it is obviously, and I think we've alluded to it.

The most manipulative is having Robin Williams on screen with these real children with real cancer because that's the other thing, mind you, like, these are not like stut cast.

I mean it is stut casting, but these are real children with real cancer.

Opposite Robin Williams like it it's heartwarming, but I mean it's heartwarming in the same way watching John Cena Go Grant make a wishes is like, you know what I mean, Like it's heartwarming in this is actually something nice to see.

But to both of your points, like to then film it and put it on screen is a touch odd.

And I'm not saying we didn't.

Would this movie feel as schmultzy and sentimental if we had not had that scene in the movie of him with all the kids.

Yeah, like, let's let's let's let's let's let's let's take this movie's a step back, and let's all kind of agree, like our varying opinions on the movie.

Aside the range of the movie, the movie he has a rather large range in terms of what it's trying to do.

Could you remove those scenes from this movie, which I think is where a lot of the smaalty manipulativeness of the movie lies with the kids.

Could you take that out of this movie and would it make the movie work just as well, make it work better, or would it be one of these things where it's like, nah, the movie still is just kind of still getting by on the most basic storytelling tropes of this kind of movie, because that's where I would come down.

But I'm just curious y'all's thoughts, because again, like that's for me, the most manipulative part of the movie is these real children with real cancer on screen opposite Robin Williams.

Yeah, I don't know.

I didn't really have a problem with that one.

How about you, Mary?

Yeah, No, I just kept thinking, I remember that girl's smile being used in the trailer or and the posters promote real tigs yeah toothy grim and I was like, oh, yeah, I remember her.

That was about all I kept thinking.

I was more, you know, just being and this is just how my brain is, just being bothered by the fact that being too obvious about this and loud and you know, you're not supposed to be here.

So that just kept bugging me, like, I get it, you can be funny without being obnoxiously loud and and go in there and talk to all the kids and and be silly.

But so I didn't even really think about the manipulation of those scenes and and thinking about it now, it doesn't really, it doesn't really bother me.

And knowing that, you know, obviously they got the permission and from the parents and all this and hopefully from the kids as well that to use this and the film.

Yeah, I mean, as we've mentioned numerous times already, it's just it's just a big manipulation movie.

But I don't know some some of.

The I mean impilation movies.

I think in some way, you know, yeah.

I mentioned ordinary.

Subtlety with what you with what you do it, I guess is the issue, Like it's a subtlety question.

I don't I'm not saying I don't appreciate something that is manipulative on the face of it like that.

There are plenty of movies that I watch them like, I know what.

I know that this movie knows exactly what it's doing.

But it's the subtlety and tact with which you do things can't be overlooked because there are so many movies you can go watch other than this one.

There's so many other Robin Williams movies you can go watch where he's doing a better performance with this kind of role even and it's just again like I don't know, it's it's it's almost like you take Robin Williams and you go, well, you're just a comedian, you know what I mean, So we're gonna have you do your stick, and your stick is going to be as half as much of the movie as his is.

His stick.

The other half is this like fource sentimentality.

And that's again like that's just my again, that's just me, I get it, Like, but I I don't know, I just want I wanted I want better from Robin Williams as an actor.

I want the people who cast him in things to do better because they're just like, well, like we've already said, like his stick is just gonna carry him through the movie, so we'll just do his shtick.

He doesn't nothing more than that.

And it's like, but there's so much more than that.

I think.

The manipulative thing that I have a problem with is the Karen or Karen character not being a real person.

Yeah, this well gender swapped technically friend a friend of a friend of Patch Adams that was a guy that got murdered, right, but which could have worked.

In the film.

So having it be like a love interest that never gets to come to fruition and then her giving this, you know, finally opening up to him about five minutes before she gets killed.

On in the film, not on screen in the film is horribly manipulative, Like, oh, we just had this huge emotional thing where she's talking about being sexually abused as a child and through god knows how much of her life.

I mean, that's what she's getting at at that point.

And then, you know, so then I'm asking why in the hell did she go to this guy's place who she was put off by at the clinic?

Why did she go by herself?

For one thing?

So that's I think a fault of the film as well, manipulating.

And then I mean, I knew the minute she walked in that door, oh well this is when she dies.

And that's that's a horrible way to go about this as far as the film itself.

So that that was the thing that bothered me about the manipulation of the Movie's her whole storyline.

Wait, what about the what about and Mike, you'll you'll appreciate this.

What about the jack moment of the movie.

Remember that movie's obsession with butterflies and Chrysalis's and then this movie also has a weird obsession with it.

It's like she she always loved butterflies.

And then I'm gonna kill myself, but I'll wait to kill myself before and then a butterfly landed on my hand and it's she's here.

Give me a sign, God, give me a sign, like talk about my talk about manipulation, Like holy shit.

Movie Like it's almost like it's just like it has like a list of things and it's just like checking every box.

Like scene where he stands up to authority.

Figure right, what scene where he stands up to authority?

Figure again?

Check more, scene where his love interest dies, scene where his love interest pushes back, like all the things like we're all we're just checking every box.

But man, when she when she dies, just like movie do you do this?

Is this not like what happens here?

Said?

Is he gonna get sent back in time to go to Vietnam?

Now?

Like I don't know, Like it's just like how much are they piling on this guy like to make it to make him to have to rise above It's like movie, the real life story could be interesting, like you don't have to you don't have to really gussy it up, like there's no need a guy who's like I see a need in the world of medicine to be more empathetic towards patients.

Like that's a story worth telling.

Yeah, maybe not like this.

The scene that bothered me the most, and I don't know why because it's it's a funny scene, but at the same time, it's just one of these scenes where it's look at her main character and he can literally do no wrong.

There is no I mean really, I don't think Patch Adams has a weakness whatsoever.

He's too compassionate, Mike.

That's why his girlfriend dies.

Well, it's like he has nothing to overcome.

Like at the beginning, he's, you know, checking himself into this mental hospital and he's just like, you know what, I'm checking myself out.

I'm I'm all better, and I've cured Harold Gould and Michael Jeter.

I'm getting out of here.

And then he leaves.

And the thing that gets me is that you mentioned the meat packing thing, because it's just like, oh, this guy's so great.

He can come in and like fool all these meat packers and he wins this game.

He gives a speech and I'm just like, how the hell did that happen?

Like just cut to him on stage giving a speech and I'm like, oh, okay, and like no one is on to him whatsoever, or that he isn't what he says he is.

And I'm just like, well, our main character is kind of a liar here, so all right, it's just that whole our main character can do no wrong.

He's so good that everybody he loves him, even this random group of you know, meat packers from Chicago.

And he's apparently the smartest student to be.

Oh, he sure is, or at least second smartest.

I'm so smart that Philip Seymour Hoffman reports him for cheating.

Exactly, and then that kind of seems like it's a thing, and then it just dies, and I'm like, no, that's a serious thing to be accused of cheating.

That's a very very serious thing.

We need to have like a whole investigation of that.

But just kind of goes away after a while.

You know what this reminded me of also in a way, Mike, You remember how in Licensed to Wed we were like, how can one man have all this time, for all these people to do all these wedding things and be like watching them and like like you know, eavesdropping.

How does he like, what do you have to be a dick to him?

And he's like, oh, well, since you're a dick to me, I'm gonna make you happy.

Like what happens all the people that don't need to be cheered up?

Does he go to their rooms or no?

It's just like the grumpy guy and other grumpy guy and grumpy woman and then children, like all the adults he interacts with, for the most part, are like turds, other than the one older lady but like the Peter Coyote character, and then the other like older man.

They're like they never smile and they're always mean to everybody, and he'll he'll he'll warm their icy hearts.

It's like, oh my god, movie like again see it coming from a mile away, but we never we never see him like going in practicing medicine on somebody that's just like a normal person, like just like walks down the hallways like hello, I'm doctor Patch Adam, nice to meet you.

It's like Nope, these people that like all really need his help.

It's like Man movie, like you're missing it.

Just it misses the point at every opportunity to get us to find him to be I guess relatable, because, like you said, Mike, he's perfect from the moment we meet him.

Like the term Mary Sue gets used in like relation to like Daisy Ridley's character from Star Wars.

But Patch Adams gets his friend killed, he almost gets his other friend kicked out of med school, he almost gets alf kicked out of med school, and by the end of the movie, everybody is standing in a room and clapping for him, even the people that hated him, and it's like he's He's I don't know.

You know.

I was rewatching Ted Lasso and that show is insanely emotionally manipulative as well, but yet I kind of give it a pass.

And when I was rewatching it this time, I was like, man, I kind of don't like how manipulative this show is anymore.

And that's weird because when I watched Ted Lasta the first time, I was like, I appreciate that this show is going out of its way to be emotionally manipulative, but in a positive way.

And I think maybe it's because it was in a way I'd never seen a show do that before, and now other things have kind of caught wind of how to write characters realistically and empathetically that don't feel like this because this is just again, this feels very flat on the page.

Like Robin Williams is elevating it, and you know, Monica Potter and philipsy More Hoffmann are doing their best, but these characters are flat on the page, like there's very little to them in terms of real Like we see Patch Adams and he cares about sick people, but beyond that, I don't know if there's much of a character to him, which seems to be why the real person, real Patch Adams took issue with the movie.

Is it just kind of takes his full idea and just goes, well, he just makes people.

Laugh and that's all it is.

It's like, okay, wow, did you know that we have a constitutional right to visit sick people?

No?

I did not know that neither.

That's something that he says in this and I'm like, what are you fucking talking about?

Yeah?

I love that old lady that's in this one.

Oh, wedding singer Grandma.

Yeah, wedding singer Grandma.

She's great.

Ellen Albertini Dao who had been working for so many years, and even like her second role, her credits name is old Lady, like just one of those people that I guess looked old from in nineteen thirty two.

Yes exactly.

I'm like, all right, yeah, she's great.

And then I never really caught her name.

So then when they bring her back later and have the whole thing of pool full of noodles, I'm like, well, that's kind of cute.

But at the same time, I don't know how they're going to boil all those noodles.

Right, I mean again, I go back to what I said.

Pat Adams says all this time to do all these things for all these people, like how just I don't know, Like laughter is good medicine, sure, but you can't go to the entire Hospital's not gonna have this wish list of things.

And this guy's gonna keep going to each room and putting on these like escape room level things for people.

It's like, what where does he find the time to do this and be a straight a student and open his own clinic movie?

Good god?

Where does he find the time?

Good for him?

So people ask me all the time, right.

Where do you find the time to cure to cure the common cold through the magic of laughter and set up your own clinic and get your friends killed because they're dealing with people with and people with mental illness on Like the mentally ill guy in the movie kills his girlfriend, Like, of course, this is the other thing.

Like the movie opens with a mental institution and it actually does a really good job of pointing out how little the medical profession does seem to care about mental health.

But then by the end of the movie it trivializes mental health again.

It's like when this guy had mental health problems and he killed her, and it's like, all right, wow, movie could lord.

Like, oh and that's that's really something that they probably shouldn't be treating at his little village clinic.

Yeah.

With that was I thout actual professional.

Right, given fucking band aids and shit.

Okay, yeah, if you're going to get into trouble for anything with that, it's not that you're seeing people you know offline without a license.

It's that you just put your girl going into horrible danger and she died.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the real issue.

Yeah, I mean, really, they could have taken the Truman character, who I thought, I really liked that guy, Daniel London.

They could have had him be killed, Like, we really didn't even need the Monica arter Hotter character at all.

And then Monica Parker had had a big like ninety seven, ninety eight and then a few things in the two thousands.

But I don't see her anymore and anything.

And I liked her.

I liked her a lot, especially in con Air, the thankless rule that she has in there.

But I mean, I really have not seen her in that many things because I never saw the remake of Last House on the Left, and she was also in Saw apparently, and.

She was in Saw.

I can't remember that at all, Thank goodness.

She plays Carrie el was his wife and Saw that's taken hostage by Saw.

Yeah, if you ever want to see your wife and daughter again, doctor Gordon, Yeah, that that's the Yeah, she's she's the one that's kidnapped.

By uh Wichmann Jiggy the dude from Lost.

Benjamin Line is from Lost.

Yeah, okay, my goal embers.

Yeah, Michael Emerson.

Yeah, I haven't seen I haven't seen her in a lot of stuff either, but this is not recent.

Yeah, well, this is definitely not a thing to be like, well, this is a great performance, like she's.

Just became a spider.

Yeah, oh yeah Freeman yeah, Double Feature.

Well, was that one of those Ashley Judd movies?

No, it's it's her and Freeman.

Yeah yeah, yeah, Penalty it's.

One of those movies.

Oh really, it's wow because Alex Cross.

Yeah, okay, al Ashley Judd is in another one of those.

Oh okay, kiss the Girls or it's the Girls, yeah, with Carrie Elwiss, that's the killer, right, spoilers, Oh oh.

Spoilers old oh man, man.

The film industry has been just quietly making Alex Cross movies like the Last thirty always gets them confused too.

Yeah, Morgan Freeman was Morgan at Alex Cross than Tyler Perry.

Yeah, he's the one that's in both of those though, I leave right, yeah, yeah, but.

I swear that he made another movie with Ashley Judd, so I kind of group all three of those.

But I'll have to take a look at that.

So, I mean, unfortunately, Ashley Judd has not been making that many movies either, which is very sad because I really liked her performances.

We all know why that happened, Yeah, I sure do.

And that sucks, and Hey, along came a Spider was directed by Lee tom A Horrey of all people.

Mike, Yeah, we were just talking about him on the Pranos Sopranos podcasts.

Yeah, that will eventually come out.

Yeah, that's right soon.

Okay.

It was Double Jeopardy, Double Jeopardy, and Kiss the Girls have almost the exact same poster.

Double Jeopardy is the one I'm thinking of, But that was Tommy Lee Jones.

So I was getting Tommy Lee Jones and Morgan Freeman mixed up, as most people do.

Did you know that you can't get tried for the same crime twice.

That's called double Jeopardy Jeopardy.

This summer, Ashley Judd is in Double Jeopardy.

Yeah, it's you know.

And I think we talked about this earlier in the month, or maybe we talked about this offline.

Awesome bait.

This movie would be considered oscar bait.

I feel like, yes, like Robin Williams in a major studio film, serious film.

I mean, they're going into this movie, I'm assuming trying to make it get nominated.

I mean it was nominated for Golden Globes for Best Actor Motion Picture Musical, or comedy.

But I feel like that's what they were gunning for here with Robin Williams's performance.

I mean, he will end up winning an Academy Award after this, but this, oh no, it is the year before, No, year before, right, yeah, because he would have been working on Goodwill Hunting in this movie essentially at the same time, Like he went from this, he went from this Goodwill Hunting to this essentially because Goodwill Hunting comes out the year before.

So, man, Robin Williams had a pretty good nineties.

I'll tell you, just for my edification.

There was also High Crimes, which was Morgan Freeman and Ashley Judge.

Jud Sorry, and that was not an Alex Cross, but I was right that there were two of those combination.

So I apologize for interrupting.

But man, Morgan Freeman was having a good nineties too, apparently, Yes, he was, yes, working with all these white women of Hollywood, and they're Morgan Freeman opposite.

Yet another one, wasn't there one of the Angelina Jolie.

No, that was opposite Ethan Hawke in Killed Killing by the Numbers.

No, that was Ryan Gosling and Angelina Jolie.

No, you're thinking that was Bullock and Ryan Gosling Andrew Bolick.

Yeah, yeah, murdered by Numbers.

But then there was The Bone Collector with Angelina and Denzel.

That's probably what I was thinking about.

Bone Collector also a good name for porno.

Yes, oh, I'm sure that they made that.

They're like, oh, we need one of these Lincoln rhymes pornos.

Bone Collector.

I'm not disappointed you guys didn't hate this movie.

I'm not.

I'm glad that it's It's maybe just me that's not a huge fan of this movie.

Yeah, I'm not gonna watch it ever again.

Most like, oh oh no, no oh.

You guys like it's that much apparently, huh.

Mainly for the length it was almost two hours.

I didn't necessarily feel like, uh, you know, this is going forever and ever.

It was over long.

But yeah, I don't plan on.

If I want to watch Rob Williams movie, it's probably gonna be world according to Garp to be perfectly honest, still my favorite of his.

If I'm going to watch Bob Gunton be a jerk to somebody, I'm going to watch Shaushing Redemption.

Yeah, exactly.

That's all I kept thinking about the whole damn movie.

I know at first I didn't recognize him.

I mean, I recognize him, but I'm like, well, where do I know.

This guy from?

And then I was like, oh, yeah, duh, No, one of those dudes knows how to be a dick in film like stream.

Good, Yeah, and yeah.

I would recommend Chris that you finally watched Good Morning at Vietnam and get the taste of this one out of your mouth.

I plan, I plan on it, I pan on it.

I just didn't want to watch it this month because that would feel unfair given the expectations of this month being bad.

Robin Williams movies like if I watch him, guess who's in it?

Bob Gunton, No, Bob, Bob Odenkirk.

What's his nuts?

That wrote some of the Police Squad episodes?

I can never remember his name, comedian sort of.

I remember Richard Edson's in there, and I remember Forrest Whittaker.

Isn't he in there as well?

Or yeah?

And I don't remember who else was in Good Morning Vietnam.

Oh.

J.

T.

Walsh is also.

I think he plays the Bob Gutton character in that one where he's the bard ass Robert Wall.

Oh fuck fuck Robert Wall.

Fuck that guy.

Yeah, nice, nice guy, nice guy.

Oh man, I'm sorry.

I'm still traumatized by his role in Batman.

He was just so bad in that.

I was gonna say, I mean, if you if you want to watch a Steve Odakirk thing, I mean, Enter the Fists, you know, Kung Powell Enter the Fist, I think is a better choice than this or like or ace Ventura.

I mean, I know, maybe a Spenta is not y'all's cup of tea.

Uh hey, I like, I mean putting out an episode number of years.

But yeah, okay, I don't know, because I know some people are like really put off by ace Ventura and Jim Carrey's comedic stylings.

But I mean, Steve Odakirk wrote that movie.

That movie's great.

Like that movie is great.

Kung Pau Enter the Fist also great.

I just think Steve Odakirk probably not the choice for this.

No, and actually, and actually I'll be corrective here.

Steve Odkirk wrote the second ace Ventura.

Tom Shadyak wrote the first one with Jim Carrey, but Tom Shadyak did direct this movie.

So however, nobody that was involved in this movie, worked on a Spintera Junior, which is a real thing that everyone should Avoid's.

Son wasn't this, So I think Odakirk also wrote Bruce Almighty and didn't shed Jack direct that, so it was like kind of a reunion for them.

Yeah.

I actually kind of like Brew Almighty.

I do too.

Yeah, Yeah, Rius Almighty's pretty good.

Yeah, they they sure did.

And I mean Steve Otakirks worked on again.

I mean, Jimmy Neutron is something that he worked on that show.

I mean, you know, there's a fair amount of stuff that Steve Otakirk's done that's great.

I just I'm not gonna say stay in your lane, but I think your talents are better suited doing something else.

And that I think is, let me put it this way, that's willed out.

In the last twenty plus years since this movie came out, he has not really gone back to making serious films.

And again, I don't know how serious this movie even is.

Did you guys notice there was a moment where Robin Williams starts like seeing having double vision of Bob Gunton.

What was going on?

What was what was that was that was referencing?

Yeah?

Yeah, no, I got that, but like that, he was just he was looking past the problem right towards the solution.

Cool.

Everyone just you know, really reinforced that one.

Then a butterfly fluid and landed on his hand.

Because that's what lurry fingers look like.

Right, yeah, try it do it in real life, right now?

I am.

And then I'm not really saying.

How many do you see, Mike?

Eight?

If you cross your eyes, you're gonna see six or seven fingers.

But and don't look like what they show on the screen with.

A fucking idiot the whole time.

Anything else we want to talk about with uh Steve Otakirk and Tom shad Yak's Patch Adams.

Oh, actually, there's one thing I want to ask you, Mike.

Did you notice the song at the end of the movie.

Oh, I don't know.

It's been a long road getting from there to here, the fucking song from Enterprise.

Oh Jesus Christ.

Really, yes, fun.

You need to That's why I said to you.

I was like, please take note at the end of the movie, what song may play over the credits.

It is the Rod Stewart version of Faith of the Heart, which that is covered on by some other dude for Enterprise, which I was like, playing the song from Enterprise at the end of the movie.

No, that is, Like, I don't know which is worse, that or the Firefly theme song, but they are both terrible.

Faith of the Heart is worse because Faith of the Heart was written for this movie.

Oh god, So they couldn't even find an original song for those horrible opening credits for Enterprise.

No that was.

I did not know that that was not an original song until I was watching the end of this movie and I was like, wait a second, why are they playing Enterprise his music covered by Rod Stewart?

And then I realized that was a cover on Enterprise, So yeah, yeah, man, oh yeah.

As if there wasn't reason enough for me to kind of not be a super big fan of this movie, it makes me think of Inferior Star Trek on top of everything else.

Yikes.

Did you watch the two thousand and three Bollywood film Muna by b MBBS?

So I didn't, only because when I went and tracked it down, the premise of the movie is not as one to one as it sounds.

It's like Sanjay Dutt plays a gangster who pretends to be a doctor.

Oh okay, yeah, so yeah.

Yeah, it's different, but it still has that like he's a kind of thorn in the side of the system type thing, like he's pointing out the problems of the system.

I watched some of the clips from it.

It looks pretty good.

Like I mean, I'm a huge Sonjay dut Fan and his dad is in the film as well.

I saw that.

I was like, man, maybe we should watch the Bollywood remake of Patch Adams because it's probably better.

Can you imagine though, that they just did like a you know, a full on remake of this movie.

SRK will show you that laughter is the best medicine, you know, going around to the small Indian villages, helping the children who were starving to learn how to laugh, because that'll fill their stomachs up more than food.

Will I mean, really, Chris, I watched Three Idiots recently, and that whole relationship between the professor and the the uh why am I blanking Akhan Amir Khan like that character and the whole like you know, the writing at the pen that he has a special astronaut pen and all that stuff and it gives them the pen.

I mean, that whole relationship is very similar to Gunton and Adams in this.

Movie, but done way better, but done way better and less like less on the nose about it, like the oh god, yeah, Viral the Professor.

He and Amir Khan are so good in that back and forth in that movie.

And it's just like, man, that movie comes out less than ten years after this movie, like not even and it's again you have the same Like he's he's a man against the system who wants to do it his own way, like.

At the end and creates his own clinic.

You know.

Yeah, it is kind of Patch Adams esque.

Frankly, yeah, to think of Yeah, three Idiots is It's almost three Idiots is almost if Patch Adams was told from his friend's point of view, right.

Yeah, true.

Yeah, his two friends that are trying to find him, and then that rival is basically your Phillip Seymour Hoffman guy.

Yeah, he humiliates that guy so much throughout the whole film.

He really needed to humiliate Philip Seymore Hoffman a little bit more.

He's his friend.

He's his friend at the end, don't you know.

And Rob Williams we get to see his we see his butt at the end of the movie.

Ha ha.

God, what's they're funny?

Man?

They literally copped the Like the end of this movie in Jack, like our shockingly similar ends at a graduation, almost like a free there's there's just no freeze frame with Jack at the end where it's like Jack died later that day, like Patch Adams went on to open up a clinic and like, man, all right, I think I would rather watch Jack over this movie.

Genuinely, I've never seen Jack, so I can't say.

What about I got a better idea, Patch Adams meets Jack.

There you go, there it is.

There's the end, and then you get to Rob Williams's side.

Steve ota Kerk's ears are perked up already.

Why did they never have to Robin Williams is on screen at the same time.

Is it just because he was so riffing that he could never like line up the two performances.

It would be too much.

Probably that is odd because they did.

I mean, he's one of the few big comedians that never had that, right Eddie Murphy, like he made his bones on that.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Yeah, man, Eddie md that so many times even yeah.

So many comedians have that and or they'll have the paired Up with the Dog or Paired up with a little kid or both.

Well, Robin Williams did do the voice of a dog in the Absolutely Anything that Simon Pegg movie and that was like his last performance was the voice of that dog.

If you want to go watch that movie, which is fine, okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

I mean it's one of those like weird British movies that just comedies that came out with Simon Pegg in the mid teens.

Like so, I guess the thing that I've learned over this month of doing these Robin Williams films with you, Chris, is that it's usually not him that's the problem.

And I'm copy on this from you from earlier.

It's mostly the scripts and or the direction.

But I think really we've seen some good some things that we were surprised about.

I was surprised about this, and I think we were both very surprised about Jack.

Yeah, but then other things that were just exorable, Like I think Man of the Year is probably my lowest point of this month.

I'm not sure if it if that one or Licensed to Wed for you, not sure which one was the worst for you.

I would say for me, Man of the Year was worse, and I would agree with you.

I'm not you.

You didn't say why, but I would say for me, my reasoning is that movie was worse.

Yeah, that was a worse movie, like a tonally more inconsistent film that at times felt discordant with itself and what it was trying to do.

And then there's Robin Williams in it, and it's like, wow, like the one thing that doesn't work in that movie is probably like he's the odd man out in that movie.

And I think, yeah, to your point, it's that's probably the biggest offense this month, is that movie almost wastes him entirely.

They have nothing for him to do in that, But these other movies, like you know, in Patch Adams he can kind of make do or in License to Wed, it's tonally the wrong performance and the movie doesn't lean into the fact that he's kind of a villain.

But I think, yeah, Man of the Year is definitely the lowest point.

This is just kind of at this point, I knew what I was getting myself into at this point with this movie, so I'm not I mean this movie again, I'd seen it, so it's not that disappointing, but Man of the Year was overwhelmingly I think the worst thing we watched this month.

Yeah, yeah, and I think r V.

I mean r V.

I just I still feel like was just so wrongheaded, especially in the whole thing of like we dislike the Christian Chenna With and Jeff Daniels characters for no good reason whatsoever.

I'm just like, okay, yeah, that I mean, he the characters that Williams and his family play are just so distasteful, mostly because they have no hold in reality.

And yeah, they're just a bunch of jerks.

But yeah, I think Man of the Year and then RB for me, and then probably then maybe Licensed to It.

Ah, man, it's tough, man, because that one was rough.

And then yeah, it's so weird that Jack and the two movies that I thought for sure I was gonna hate the most.

Jack and Patch Adams end up being the two movies where I'm like, that was pretty good, That's all right.

Yeah, If anything, I'd like to see more of him as the kid and Jack.

I would actually, like, I think you said, like, I'd like to see another half an hour or take out a half an hour some of the silliness and concentrate more on this and if anything, go ahead and schmaltz that one up, you know, like maybe, yeah, I mean it takes some schmaltz from Patch and put into Jack.

I actually I would agree.

I'm surprised.

My big takeaway from this month really is the movie I was dreading watching ended up being the one that I was like, yeah, it's not the worst one.

Yeah, Jack was I think the high point for me this month in terms of like, Wow, I'm surprised that this movie wasn't as much of an affront as I was expecting a forty year old man with a ten year old's brain to be.

But yet it's not as much as I mean again, like I disliked Patch Adams much more than Jack.

I would rewatch Jack two or three times over before I rewatched Patch Adams.

I watched Patch Adams three times for this episode.

So God help me.

Oh yeah, the schmaltz, Yeah, the schmaltz.

Take half an hour from Patch Adams and just give it to Jack even like, you know, cut cut the Kren character out of this movie.

Completely, give Jack a love interest that gets murdered.

I don't know sure, I'm just gonna make shit up like character.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the crazy thing.

I must have always conflated Patch Adams and Jack in my mind is like Jack is a real person because so is Patch Adams.

So yeah, boy, you think that Jack could have used some laughter?

I think we could have had that.

Bill Cosby is recast as Robin Williams as Patch Adams in those scenes, opposite himself, like a digitally de aged Robin Williams.

That's what it would have been.

Christ Almighty, there is no god.

That would be the movie now digitally Yeah, well that's what they did with the Brad Pitt and Benjamin Button, just deaged the shit out of him and turn him into like a little old man like mckep.

So what a weird month this has been for movies.

This is a Mike White March.

I shan't not be forgetting anytime soon.

But boys took us, You took us all around the world with some of these weird movies, these Robin Williams movies.

So no, I think you said to me, perhaps I'm like, perhaps in private, that I need to redeem myself for next year, or else you're just not gonna ask them back anymore.

Now what I said, I said you need to redeem yourself.

I didn't say there was conditional on no route.

Okay, re invitations.

All right, So then next year is going to be Kissed the Girls, double jeopardy, I have the beholder and high.

You don't do it at this, I'm gonna be disappointed.

God well, starting with you Begley and then Mike.

Final thoughts on Patch Adams.

Wasn't as bad as I was expecting.

I'll never watch it again, and it wasn't awful.

I'm a little surprised at how much vitriol it got from the same critics, to be honest with you, but I.

Were just in a bad mood.

Maybe I don't know.

Ebert was having a fucking field there, or there was something.

Going on during that time when the manipulation really just soured on people.

I don't know.

Yeah, it was fine.

They were like, three years from now, we're really gonna want this movie, right, Yeah, exactly.

I'm curious, Mark, did you watch this in ten minute chunks?

No, we got completely away from me, had all kinds of stuff, billing stuff with my own thing, and then work just got crazy and like on Wednesday, I'm like, oh my god, I haven't even started this movie yet and wasn't able to then wasn't able to do.

So I watched it yesterday in full to a whole two hours and one.

Go Wow, all right, good for you.

Yikes.

Yeah, yeah, My final thoughts are very much the same.

I'm not sure why this one got just crucified when it came out.

This was just being held up as just just absolutely terrible.

I want to say that there's a joke.

I think my friend Ben Buckingham recently brought up that there's a joke in Cecil B Demented about Patch Adams and maybe it's like the Sons of Patch Adams or something.

I can't remember what it was, a sequel or something, but I try to forget that movie as much as I can.

I'm not a big Cecil B Demented fan, but it oddly well, I'm not a big fan of Patch Adams either.

But yeah, I don't think it was as bad as I was expecting as well, So how about you, Chris.

No, it was pretty much kind of right where I was remembered it in terms of the things that I did remember from the movie when I watched it the first time, his friend being killed and then the scene with the butterfly are the things that definitely are the things I remember from the first time I watched it.

It's look, I mean, people worked on this movie.

People spent a lot of time on this movie.

I mean, obviously a lot of effort goes into these things that people watch.

So we're seeing the final culmination of it.

So it's not the worst thing I've ever seen.

It's just, yeah, it's manipulative, and we know that, and we've said it, and the critics didn't like it, and I'm personally not a fan, But at the same time, I understand how it would totally resonate with people, and people would find this to be an appealing thing because this movie made a lot of money, So it's not like people didn't resonate with it, just the critics didn't.

And I think that, you know, sometimes critics and the audience can be at odds with each other, and this is probably one of those movies.

Yeah, I don't know, I to your point, Mike, Like Robin Williams, really, I think we all have different places that we come in at his career at but I think we all come away with the same feeling, which is, there will never be anybody else like Robin Williams.

And that's a shame because there are very few actors that you can say that about that have had that big of an impact on like everyone that has ever seen anything they've worked on.

For the most part, I think Robin Williams always resonates no matter what he's doing because just who he is and who he was, and so yeah, even at the end of the day, I wasn't biggest fan of this movie, but Robin Williams is great in it.

So at the end of the day, like there is some success to be had, some positives to be had.

So, Mike, where can people find you and the things that you work on when you're not programming an entire month over here at the culture Cast.

You can find me and all the things that I do over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com, which is, yeah, the place for all your entertainment needs.

Everything.

We've got streaming television, we've got movie production.

Now it's not true, it's just podcasts, but hours and hours of fun time.

Hatch's too coming soon weirding Way Media produced.

Yeah exactly.

Well, yeah, we'll be like the Doug Jones of weirding Way Media and just start making really shitty movies.

So anyway, yeah, that's where you can find me.

How about you, mister Begley.

You can find my two shows Cambridge and with Shawn and Wake Up Hippy over on Weardwaymedia dot com.

And oh, you said yours already on Chris.

No, I mean were you guys both said it for me already technically, so I don't have to say anything the end.

I'm skiing waiting way boom.

Yeah no, Mike, don't don't drop Mike, I got it.

Yeah, No, weirding Way Media.

That's where you could go for this show, at every other show that I work on, other than patreon dot com slash culturecast or patreon dot com slash Projection booth where you can go to check out ranking on Bond, which we do once a month with our friend Richard Hadham, where we talk about James Bond and we are chugging right along.

We're nearing the end of Roger Moore's tenure is James Bond and heading into a brief stop with Timothy Elton before we get to Pierce Brosman.

So if that's the thing you're into.

You can find that over at our respective patreons.

Mike, thank you so much for programming the month.

As always, it's been fun, it's been real, Chris.

I really appreciate every opportunity I get to torture you.

This year, you took it upon your well, you tortured yourself.

Too, say I always ticked the bullet.

Yeah, yeah, I went through one of us and then went right through the other as well.

It's like a Connolly Kennedy situation, like I got hit by the second bullet or the first.

One, however you want to look at it back and to the left.

Yeah, and uh and as always, BEGLEI, thank you for joining us as well.

Thank you for you know, watching Patch Adams with us.

And I'm sure you know and uh and as always, we'll catch on the next episode.

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