[SPEAKER_05]: This is Jocco podcast number 516 with echoed channels in me, Jocco willing, good evening echo.

[SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.

[SPEAKER_05]: You may notice that things have changed since you left.

[SPEAKER_05]: Family may have grown older, friends may have moved and familiar places may look unfamiliar.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's as it should be.

[SPEAKER_05]: After all, you've changed too.

[SPEAKER_05]: Civilian life with its own duties and pleasures now offers the chance for a new beginning built [SPEAKER_05]: And that right there is an excerpt from a military pamphlet that was issued by the War Department and the Navy Department in August of 1945 and the pamphlet is called going back to civilian life.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's very, when you look through the entire manual, it's actually a very positive spin.

[SPEAKER_05]: uncoming home from an absolutely brutal war.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that paragraph right there is about all they have to say about what the transition is going to be like from a mental perspective, a psychological perspective, because the rest of the pamphlet is just talking about your military records and your taxes and your family allowances and allotments and wearing your uniform and when you can and when you can.

[SPEAKER_05]: And [SPEAKER_05]: how to get good insurance and the change of beneficiaries and getting a government job and other just kind of like mundane administrative information that you probably didn't care much about when you're coming home from Ewo Jima.

[SPEAKER_05]: But the rest of it was up to you and again if you think about 1945 for the soldiers sailors, airman and marines up the greatest generation, they took advantage of every opportunity and they did adjust well and they built America into what it is today.

[SPEAKER_05]: and it's not to say that veterans in struggle then as they sometimes struggle now but there are a great many examples of service members who come home from war or come home from their standard military service doing whatever their country asked them to do who then carry on successfully with their next mission in the civilian sector.

[SPEAKER_05]: And we got two of those men here tonight, Zach Bell, [SPEAKER_05]: also known as veteran with a sign who joined us before in the past episode 426 where we talked about his time in the Marine Corps, serving in Afghanistan as post service life leading up to becoming a veteran advocate through his social media and podcast and also joining us his Nick, the Fat Electrician.

[SPEAKER_05]: another veteran who served as a medic in the National Guard who then became an electrician.

[SPEAKER_05]: At some point along the way apparently was fat or at least headed in that direction before finding an outlet for his sense of humor and his interest in military history, making educational and entertaining videos on his YouTube channel, the fat electrician.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, General, thanks for joining us.

[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for coming out.

[SPEAKER_05]: How'd that fat electrician think come about just man.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was let's get on that one.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was the like tradition and just had my first kid He was about three months old and I was at the gym bench press and and completely ruptured my pack and tore it off So like whole muscle sucked into your chest [SPEAKER_04]: and uh...

couldn't work as an electrician with one arm so i was sitting at home doing door dash in a sling trying to make money got a new kid i just had wife isn't back to work yet and uh...

she kept sent me these links through text messages for this little kids dancing app called tiktok and i refused to download the app because i thought it was for little kids so i just kept clicking on the watch them through like the safari or the internet browser on my phone [SPEAKER_04]: So I downloaded it and sent it home to him scrolling on these shorts when they first came out and then For some reason I decided to you know make a video on my own and I named my my user name was the fat electrician as a joke to my wife Like I can't work out.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not at work.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sending home doing nothing all that I'm gonna get fat [SPEAKER_04]: So that's what I went with for the name as it joked her Then I made a tiktok and I think the first one I ever made got 12 million views in about three days Then I just kept going You is like you struck a oil like you're dating in your backyard and all of a sudden like black stuff started coming out You're like wait a second.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know yes you keep digging timer starts.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've got 45 seconds to the DODs here It's gonna be awful [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's get in at the Zach.

[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously last time you were on here, we talked about your past and what you went through and how you ended up what you're doing.

[SPEAKER_05]: And if people want to hear that, go back and listen to 426.

[SPEAKER_05]: But before we get into what you guys are doing right now, let's get a little bit more background on that unique where you came from.

[SPEAKER_05]: So where do you grow up?

[SPEAKER_04]: uh...

but california and i was those born in uh...

chico california grew up there till i was about twelve years old so parents uh...

parents didn't really have their shit together they were young when i was born so young uh...

i think my mom was eighteen i think my dad was twenty one and they they weren't really ready for it and uh...

[SPEAKER_04]: Whole childhood was, you know, moving from one town to the next.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think I went to like 13 different elementary schools.

[SPEAKER_04]: Things like I was always, always the new kid.

[SPEAKER_04]: They had, you know, drug problems, some other problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then right around the time I was 12, two younger sisters.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think she would have been seven and three at the time.

[SPEAKER_04]: They decided to get their shit together in the only way.

[SPEAKER_04]: They could do that was to go somewhere where they didn't know how to get drugs.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when I was 12 years old, I got on a greyhound bus with a backpack full of clothes and a goosebumps backpack with my PlayStation 2 in it and had a three-day bus ride to Charles City, Iowa and then lived in my grandma's basement for a year.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so your grandma was out there?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Did you ship out there before your parents rolled out there?

[SPEAKER_04]: uh...

so me my mom and my two sisters all went together on a grand bus so super fun to do that as a twelve-year-old three-year bus ride get to see a lot of the world inside of a bus let me tell you um...

so yeah and then my dad probably came three weeks a month and a half year you've talked to your dad and in mom and figure out like what was the wake up call at what point did they go hold on a second we got we got a fixed issue [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's just one of those things.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like they always knew they were doing a bad job.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, I think seeing the kids start to grow up and, you know, it sucks for me being the new kid all the time.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, okay, well, not that I was already too broken to repair, but like we've got two more chances.

[SPEAKER_04]: We can make it better for those two also.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, I think I think I got to the point where, you know, extended family was going to try to get involved and, you know, how to go live with them.

[SPEAKER_04]: So just decided to get their shit together.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's been great ever since.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'd tell you it's a lot of fucking colder than California.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was gonna say, because especially if it was Chico in the summertime, it was like you went from blistering haunt.

[SPEAKER_05]: Or if it was the wintertime, you went to just fuck asshole.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think there was, I think there was snow on the ground.

[SPEAKER_04]: It had to be then winter.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because I mean, and I live in Northern Iowa.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like 30 miles from the Minnesota border.

[SPEAKER_04]: And like that upper-tip of Iowa is, I mean, you'll have windshills and stuff negative 30 to negative 60 in the winter.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it was crazy.

[SPEAKER_05]: Didn't you not see snow echo trolls until like you've moved to San Diego or something?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I saw one time and then like years and years and years after I moved to San Diego, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Once you got to San Diego, when's the first time you went in like ran around in this snow snow?

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, on the beach island in Hawaii, if you got a monochail, sometimes it's snow, so I saw snow, walked in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then the first time was, I don't know, maybe like eight years ago, maybe?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because I was, you know, we were friends when you saw snow the first time.

[SPEAKER_05]: You can't be pretty excited about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is a very magical experience for sure.

[SPEAKER_05]: Probably more excited than Nick was and showed up at 12 years.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like we're here.

[SPEAKER_04]: He shows up to my house for the first time.

[SPEAKER_04]: My house is on a river and he's blown away and infatuated that the river is frozen and genuine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Where he should be is.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't get it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's too cold.

[SPEAKER_02]: If moving water is like we're done for a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: My people aren't made for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I come from the Mississippi.

[SPEAKER_02]: He like I need to be near warmth.

[SPEAKER_05]: Do it a real cold, I always up in Montana, I think it was two years ago, and it was negative, like, negative 45, like my diesel engine, jelled up, you know, it was freaking gnarly, and you couldn't do anything, except for a year, if you're in Montana, that's just life.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're like Minnesota, that's just life, that's the way it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: You got to plug your diesel truck in, that's the warmest of the people who doesn't jell out, that's normal stuff, man.

[SPEAKER_05]: So what was it like growing sort of, you know, small town there up in the middle of Iowa?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so Charles said the Iowa, I think at the time it was like seven to eight thousand people.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, I went from being a new kid and, you know, pretty big cities all over the place, you know, like graduating classes were, you know, so big, you never even met everybody in class.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the graduating class that I had in high school was like 150 kids.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like, you know, everybody, and then I don't know, I was probably not the new kid for the first time [SPEAKER_05]: And you, what sports did you do?

[SPEAKER_04]: I did football for like the first year, and then I just got into Jujitsu with a local MMA team and just was doing that all the time.

[SPEAKER_05]: Straight to Jujitsu, even in Iowa.

[SPEAKER_05]: And wrestling was wrestling at your school big.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wrestling is big at every school in Iowa, except I was 14, and that's unless you're an athletic freak, which I am not, it is way too late.

[SPEAKER_04]: You go in at 14 years old or wrestled this other kid that's also competing for the JV slots got nine hundred manches.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know I got a wrestle before you can walk and they're crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's epic out there.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's insane.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you did what and football you just did for a year?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I did football for a year just.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And how do you find you, Jitu?

[SPEAKER_04]: I was working at pizza place called Pizza Ranch and one of the like shift managers who was, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: a couple years older than me, maybe, did an NNA at like in a band in the school in the next town over.

[SPEAKER_04]: They had an MA events every month or whatever and he would go fight there.

[SPEAKER_05]: So starting to kind of meet in what time frame is this?

[SPEAKER_04]: This would have been like 20, 2008 to 2012.

[SPEAKER_05]: Because there's a certain, if you go back a little further than that, you got to put air quotes around MMA matches in Iowa because it's just like, and even out here, like, remember some of those old matches we go to that you go, bro, this is not, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Regulated it anyway and these people have very limited training.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was very much that.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was very much that it was very much that it was pro match.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, pro match is air quotes.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're going dude.

[SPEAKER_05]: I I Since you really hope no one dies.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because this is not this is not okay They at least had they at least had like the local volunteer ambulance people showing up You got that going.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's another thing that's really weird like I used to get these young MMA fighters I want to fight and you go to an amateur MMA fight [SPEAKER_05]: And sort of like that kid that had 900 matches when he's 14 years old, trying the same thing happens with MMA where, hey, oh, this guy is oh and oh, but he, you know, is it Junior College wrestler that was a Golden Glows boxer?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, and you got some kid that, you know, has been doing GJitsu for eight months.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's like, dude, I want to fight MMA.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you don't know what that first match is going to be like it could be that kid that's just going to annihilate you and I had some people that were on the annihilation side of that too, you know, like Taylor, remember Taylor?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but he, you know, he's like a junior college, all American, and he just murdered people, you know, but he had his own records.

[SPEAKER_05]: So like, then he had a one or no record.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's getting somebody else.

[SPEAKER_05]: It has a one in one record.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like just pure annihilation.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so you're trained in jujitsu.

[SPEAKER_05]: Did you kind of get the jujitsu bug right out of the gate?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I loved it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I was a like fat Chubby kid until then.

[SPEAKER_04]: So then started working out and stuff with that too.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, didn't have a high quality training in the area.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I was, you know, I was taking all the money I was making at my minimum wage job for gas money to drive down to, [SPEAKER_04]: Waterloo, the only town with a jujitsu gym that was 90 miles away, go train there, drive up to Mason City, where they had a bigger MMA team.

[SPEAKER_04]: So did that all through high school?

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, did you start getting any kind of goals of fighting MMA or using that for a career?

[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was always one of those things that I wanted to do, but it was also just like, man, I hate competing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I did a bunch of jujitsu tournaments of stuff, and I think MMA would be better, but I love [SPEAKER_04]: doing two-jitsu tournaments.

[SPEAKER_04]: What makes you wrote it?

[SPEAKER_04]: I just, if I, I just want to show up and do it, and I hate the, all right, well, we got to be here at eight in the morning, the way in, and then, you know, you're younger and you're in the middleweight to heavyweight weight category.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you're not going to compete till four in the afternoon.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like your stuck at an airport on a layover for six hours before you got to try to like turn it on to compete and it's just not fun to me at all.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're getting somewhat better at it now.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, do you two tournaments are a little bit better now?

[SPEAKER_05]: Part of it is because they have computer, whatever, apps that kind of set the whole thing up.

[SPEAKER_05]: So the cool thing now is they'll tell you, oh, you know, men's adult 200 pounds is competing at this time.

[SPEAKER_05]: And they're fairly accurate.

[SPEAKER_05]: As opposed to, I remember showing up at five o'clock in the morning to weigh in.

[SPEAKER_05]: And literally not getting my first match until eight o'clock at night.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was just a complete disaster.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like this is, I'm still working.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got a normal life.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is the turn into a whole weekend thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I spent money to be here.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And what are you going to win, like a $4 plastic metal?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty sick.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's pretty sick.

[SPEAKER_04]: What's your name spelled wrong?

[SPEAKER_04]: You're so sick.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're not in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Graven at cost.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's for real.

[SPEAKER_05]: What else were you into when you were growing up?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that was it, man, I was always that, I like business like history, so I mean, history class business class, so I mean, I was always working, I think all through high school, I was working 34 hours a week because that was the most you were legally allowed to work before they had to offer you benefits, so I mean, I was working, doing to get to go into school, that was about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: What was your plan as you're looking to the future when you're 17 years old or whatever you june your year to jive a plan no idea had no idea at all so that's kind of why I just did the Always originally wanted to go into the Navy and then um [SPEAKER_04]: had a high school girlfriend that I loved and she didn't want me to go away and do the active duty things so I didn't army national garden instead because it was one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer never had a single Saturday, Sunday, drill, ever, but whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: So did that stay?

[SPEAKER_05]: What did you want to do in the Navy?

[SPEAKER_05]: Did you have like a specific goal?

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I actually want to be slick.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I thought that sounded cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, even.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was surprised people didn't knew about that back then.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was, uh, I was pretty big on, you know, go going at and look and do it and stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: But you guys remember this also 20, 20, 12.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, it's not like the 1990s where it was like, [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's a seal and never hurt, you know, so there's some information out there if you can find it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, as young, you know how to use the internet, so I thought Swix sounded cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, it's a cool job if you like boats, like yeah, it's what you're going to be doing, driving freaking boats, so it's if you like boats and some people are really into boats.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, obviously, like you go, I'll tell you, like have a suit or something.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's a whole thing out there.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a whole culture of driving boats.

[SPEAKER_05]: So if you want to get free gas money, [SPEAKER_05]: So you go to the National Guard.

[SPEAKER_05]: Did you did you pick an MOS out of the gate?

[SPEAKER_04]: So when you go there you go you go to maps and then they you know they get your GT score and they're like they pretty much told me I don't remember what the score was but I could do borderline anything I wanted but with national guard It's like yeah, you can do that job you qualify to you and we'll do it for you But the nearest drilling location are unit that has you know military intelligence and whatever I thought I wanted knowing nothing is [SPEAKER_04]: eight hours away.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you got to drive there every month.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, I don't know, well, what's what's close?

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, well, there's infantry and combat arms in artillery 45 minutes from your house.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, okay, cool, what do they want?

[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, you'd be infantry mortars or a medic.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, alright, I'll be a medic.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right on.

[SPEAKER_05]: So that's what I picked.

[SPEAKER_05]: Did you have any interest in being a medic or is it just like, it seemed like a transferable skill?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's one of those things where you just like, yeah, it sounds cool to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll go do that and then that kind of change the plan to, you know, I'm going to go off, be a combat medic, and then I'll come back and do like nursing.

[SPEAKER_05]: How old were you when you signed up for a national group?

[SPEAKER_04]: 17, I was in my senior year still.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you signed up for combat medic?

[SPEAKER_05]: How long did it take before you could lead for boot camp?

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, so I signed up had to finish my senior year, but the national guard has a program.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not ROTC.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's, there's some acronym for it, but it's basically like you start drilling right away.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they have a whole drill weekend for recruits that haven't been the basic yet.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, go, there's something you show up to basic, knowing how to march, you know all the rank, you know all the stuff they make you yell and recite and do everything.

[SPEAKER_05]: To your head of the power curving bootcamp.

[SPEAKER_04]: yes a national guard at least in the army i don't know better but everywhere else but they have like the highest percentage of honor graduates because you show up already having done you know hundred hours of instruction all this other stuff for free yeah it's for free right hey they pay me to go oh they pay yeah they pay you to go [SPEAKER_04]: They paid you the same rate for whatever your rank was for the I think National Guard splits it up into two eight-hour periods in a day for Emua and that's a but they paid you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: So how's boot camp?

[SPEAKER_05]: You pretty much crushed it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I walked in.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got honor graduate and I mean it was just you know I walked in knowing how hard I actually cared tried to whatever and other people can't understand left face right face [SPEAKER_05]: Did you get any of that sort of, like, hey, maybe I want to do this for a living, like, for real?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I want to stay in and want to go active, do anything like that?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I definitely thought about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But again, you know, the whole reason I didn't was girlfriend and didn't want to didn't want to live that life.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, made that decision, chose her and worked out so far.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, mother of my kids and happily married.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, so you made a good call.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't regret it.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you get done with boot camp and then you go directly to your advanced training would be in a medic.

[SPEAKER_05]: How long is the medic school?

[SPEAKER_04]: The medic school is like it's one of the longest NOSs in the army.

[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say it's close to six months and they split it up into two Two categories.

[SPEAKER_04]: You have like a civilian side and then the whiskey side because it's six-year whiskey ZMOS So the civilian side is you have to get your EMTB civilian certification and I think six six or eight weeks And I mean the EMTB book is this thing and you go through it and it's like 12 hours a day and it's like [SPEAKER_04]: this chapter next day we're testing on it if you fail you're retaken it if you fail the retake you're recycling so it had like I don't know 30 to 40% people getting kicked out rate just failing the written tests like it wasn't physically hard but it was just you have to do this so get through the civilian side then you get over the whiskey side where you can do the actual [SPEAKER_04]: Like combat medicine the army allows you to do the civilians won't so you leave with an EMTB certification Go work at the fire department or whatever and what year is this this would have been twenty twelve twenty thirteen Okay So You're looking at the wars are you thinking like I'm definitely gonna get called up?

[SPEAKER_05]: Did you think that way because hey in in 2006 I was in Remodied when I got there as a national guard on the ground they'd been there for fourteen months and like taking massive casualties and they were awesome [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it was not probably what most national guard dudes thought they were going to be doing when they joined the national guard.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now my recruiter and my unit were very up front with us.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I wear a 133rd at a waterloo out of the 34th infantry, which is I think it's the most deployed national guard unit in American history.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, those guys have deployed everywhere.

[SPEAKER_04]: And while I was at AIT, my unit was in Afghanistan on deployment.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I was told right out of the gate, like, hey, we deploy every four years, because they deployed every four years through all of GWAT.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, I was under the impression I was going to Afghanistan for the first three years I was in.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you have like the train up period, and we were training up, like we were going to Afghanistan and then a year out there like, well, [SPEAKER_04]: Everything's winding down now.

[SPEAKER_04]: You guys are going to go to Egypt and then six months later they're like, ah, we're not going to Egypt.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're just going to go train in Alaska.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, okay, whatever.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you had at least you had this medical background.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then what you said you were going to become a do something in the medical field.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so then I figured I'd do something medical field, so I came back home, got through all the training, was drilling, doing national guard stuff, and then start going to college, got the associates in science, you need to get into nursing school, and then I went into nursing school.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought work out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not great.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not my thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: What a pleasure.

[SPEAKER_05]: What did you like about it?

[SPEAKER_04]: I can tell you the moment I knew it wasn't going to work out.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was about 15 minutes into the first day.

[SPEAKER_04]: Damn.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: You went deep.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Super deep.

[SPEAKER_04]: Got the threshold.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not ragging on nurses.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a very hard job.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're incredible people.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're super compassionate.

[SPEAKER_04]: It just wasn't my thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: What you should say is they're super compassionate and you're not.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also, drill.

[SPEAKER_04]: The nursing teacher, who is, you know, nursing's the hardest job on the planet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yadda Yadda Yadda, fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: She plays this YouTube video.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like an animated thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Still on YouTube.

[SPEAKER_04]: Talking about having credible nurses are, it's like, okay, that's a good point.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good point.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then they're like, most people don't realize this, but more nurses get hurt on the job than active duty military, cops, firefighters, and construction workers combined.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, okay, not that we need to make this a competition, but there's a difference between straining your back, helping an old lady at a bed and getting blown up or falling off a skyscraper landing on some reef like.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's just very much, I don't know, I couldn't handle the gossip.

[SPEAKER_04]: Didn't have the compassionate side.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_05]: My sister, my younger sister, is graduating from nursing school in December.

[SPEAKER_05]: She's going to be a nurse.

[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, she's, and you probably like, well, think it whole late.

[SPEAKER_05]: How old is your younger sister?

[SPEAKER_05]: Because Jocco, you're 54.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, she's like 50 something.

[SPEAKER_05]: But she's made up her mind that that's going to be her career.

[SPEAKER_05]: But she's a perfect person for it because she is like ultra compassionate and [SPEAKER_05]: And like, she is going to be a great nurse and I would be probably in the running for being the worst nurse, you know, ever probably right behind you.

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess that's where I was like, apparently you can't talk to the patient.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when you talk to the army guys, I know that fine.

[SPEAKER_05]: I guess.

[SPEAKER_05]: So were you, you are enrolled in nursing school in 15 minutes you figure out that this is not your jam.

[SPEAKER_05]: What do you do then?

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you know, well, there's still kind of, that's like the hindsight I should have known then.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, it's still like, okay, maybe this is just, you know, it's like the army.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like anything else.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's the BS you got to walk through, where it's like, this is what's supposed to happen versus what actually happens.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm still push through it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think two semesters trying to like, and then eventually I get to the point where I'm doing clinicals and stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, oh, I, uh, clinicals at first for me were really good because what are you doing during your clinical?

[SPEAKER_04]: you literally just show up and like you get here's the nurse that works here she's she's got five patients there's five students you're each going to take a patient over for her and she's just going to supervise you handling her patients so you're basically like practicing yeah while being supervised [SPEAKER_04]: 100% looking at patients with one patient instead of five so I could overwhelm them to you know And clinicals at first went great for me because it when you first start out the clinicals are usually just in like old folk homes And so they would always give me the old war veteran that you know He's in there he's 80 years old and I would just sit down and be like, oh, okay You need your diaper change or food nothing cool [SPEAKER_04]: And all the other students would just like go sit down and work on homework and then check on them every 45 minutes.

[SPEAKER_04]: But like I was in there for eight hours just talking with some dude that was you know a calf scout and he had gone on, he didn't even know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Company exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like, and that's like part of why I love doing the military history stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: So just got to go and talk with some of these old war veterans in these retirement homes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Then, you know, you get to the next, you know, nursing too or whatever the next class was and then you start going into like hospitals and it's like I didn't care for those clinicals at all.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was like I'm going to go do something else.

[SPEAKER_05]: And what was this something something else?

[SPEAKER_05]: Is this where you picked up the electric supply?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I had no idea what I was going to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like I joined the army to pay for college, didn't.

[SPEAKER_04]: Need college apparently don't like it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like that shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: What a Then I was on social media and micro dirty jobs posted a meme that it was I forget the exact stat But it was like 85% of all licensed electricians are set to retire in the next 10 years and their average pay is this and I was like [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, cool, I'll do that and then I've called every electrical contractor in my town that day asked for a job, had a job by the next day, and was starting my apprenticeship to be in a journey of an electrician.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then how long does that take?

[SPEAKER_04]: Depends on where you're at, it's either a four or five-year program, the where I was at at the time, it was a five-year program.

[SPEAKER_05]: How deep did you go in that?

[SPEAKER_04]: I finished them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Journeymen, like I said, struggle license and everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: Got it, don't you?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then, so you become an electrician, you're working, are you getting a lot of overtime, you're working your ass off, won't you become an electrician or when you're working to become a journeyman?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, so you can always tell him not over time, but when you're the young guy, don't have kids yet, and so you know, you're working 60, 80 hours a week, depending on the time of year, and how busy it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the company that I worked for, we did mostly industrial.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like, we had, you know, there's 15 factories in the town I live in, and this company has the contract to like nine of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it was very much, and they're running around the clock.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it was always [SPEAKER_04]: Electrical panel blew up or knelted down or they've got some emergency.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like you're on call You're showing up at whatever time whenever something breaks to fix it and then you've got you know your new projects here in stall and During normal hours.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did you like it?

[SPEAKER_04]: I loved it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, it's just the the construction industry is So much like the military is in the same I mean you show up to a construction site.

[SPEAKER_04]: They've got the white board with all the rules and all the stuff the same thing like a military range does [SPEAKER_05]: here's the timeline that we're trying to make here's the mission that we're trying to get accomplished here's the restraints that we've got to maintain here's the overall regulations we got to follow go exactly [SPEAKER_05]: I've always thought that being a sister, so I took electricity in high school, so I like knew how to wire houses and stuff, and I also work construction, so I knew I know how to like do plumbing and whatnot too, but I've always found that the thing that sucks about electrical is when you get done with a job and something doesn't work, it's really hard to figure out where it is in that sucks.

[SPEAKER_05]: The thing that sucks about plumbing is when you get done with a job and something doesn't work You see exactly where the problem is and it's spraying all over the place and it's and that sucks too So it's like which one do you want to do do you want to one do the one that's like unknown to try and figure out what the one that's really To figure out where it is, but it's like you're it's good.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's it's a shit.

[SPEAKER_05]: Say it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Where you did I love the you know I was I was I was a service truck guy So I was one of the I was like one of the top electricians at my company.

[SPEAKER_04]: But they would call it with like issues So I was always getting [SPEAKER_04]: Pulled off the job to solve the mysteries that nobody can figure out some of the shit I've seen that people have not like I've shown up to somebody's house [SPEAKER_04]: My switch is electric you may.

[UNKNOWN]: What?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not shitting you.

[SPEAKER_04]: I shut, I shut to this house and I'm like flipping the switch.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, it's plastic.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not getting it in shock.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what are you guys talking about there?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes it just shocks me and I get up and I'm like, looking at light fixtures and plugging stuff in and out.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then I touch the light fixture.

[SPEAKER_04]: Light fixture shocks the dog shit out of me.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is happening?

[SPEAKER_04]: Say it tied the hot wire in with the ground for this new room they built, and then the ground feeding that whole room wasn't grounded at the panel, so they were electrifying all the metal boxes and anything touching metal in that entire room.

[SPEAKER_04]: So if you walked by and brushed the light switch, the two screws on the cover plate will shock the shit at you, all kinds of stuff like that, but I love the problem solving of it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I had a, I bought a house and it was built in 1948 and bro, I went into the attic.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like once I bought it, I started trying to figure out what I had to fix on it.

[SPEAKER_05]: You got to have to stop in two while I was only insane that this place was still standing.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was just open, wire, like electrical tape in 1952, peeled off everywhere, insulation sitting right by it.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was a, I couldn't believe that this house was still standing.

[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I had another house that had aluminum wire from the 70s, I guess, that at the 70s.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so it shrinks and like everything is open and missing and just a disaster.

[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the, some of the houses and stuff you run into, it's like, [SPEAKER_04]: I'm shocked there's not more house fires, but the other thing is like I'm shocked at how complex the electrical systems and stuff are and how much thought goes into keeping the average person safe that has no idea what electricity is like it's just a magical plug in the power shit to you but it's like there is so much that could go wrong and there's so many safety measures that you don't even see protecting you.

[SPEAKER_05]: and I hate to say this but it's it's also gone very much the route route of cars like back when I was a kid and you'd open up the hood of a car you're like okay there's the carburetor there's the spark plugs you know there's the distributor like you could see and identify what was happening and you could listen to it and be like oh this could be the problem over here [SPEAKER_05]: Nowadays you open up a car hood and it's like, yeah, I'm going into the four dealer.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like I have no idea what this shit does.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so like I was in that generation that had to make that switch.

[SPEAKER_04]: So all the electricians that taught me how to be electricians, they got started in the 60s and 70s and they were wild in hindsight to work with.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I had a journeyman.

[SPEAKER_04]: that would walk up.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a little pen that tells me if something's got electricity in and if it's on or off.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got a meter where I can see how many vaults it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: This dude would walk up to hot panels and shit and just be.

[SPEAKER_04]: He'd lick his pinky and his thumb and he touches pinky to hot bus bar, electrified bus bar, and then touch it to the case to shock his hand.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it just went through his hand.

[SPEAKER_04]: He could tell you how much vaulted it was by how much it shocked him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that was just a normal fucker thing for him to do and then like I'm I'm learning from this guy but I'm also having to deal with all these new light fixtures and light switches where it's like to install it I got a download an app on my phone and then figured out then I got to teach the customer how to run this app so they can dim their fucking lights a [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I was just about to complain about because I'm that guy now, and I have like an app on my phone where it's like, oh, you want to dim the lights.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's no dimmer switch.

[SPEAKER_05]: No, oh, get into the app, which is, you're happy to be updated and then you're downloading this thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's just, it's a totally different world.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the electrical panel is also now through what looks like some kind of a computer server of some kind of echo chair.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, [SPEAKER_05]: You look at it like the electrician job has got to have stepped up in the last five years as far as what you need to know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's gotten a lot more complicated.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the other thing with the electrical field is saying you're an electrician is like saying you're in the military.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not, and a lot of people don't realize that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like it doesn't give you a good grip on what this guy knows or does on a day to day basis because you can be a journeyman electrician.

[SPEAKER_04]: And all you've done for 30 years is dig ditches and lay pipes in it and pull wire to traffic lights, which nothing wrong with that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But that's all you know.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know how to wire a house.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know how to install a giant.

[SPEAKER_04]: animatronic robot arm to palletize shit or you can be dealing with a guy that quite literally has to frequently correct the electrical engineers on how to build a factory like you just have no idea [SPEAKER_05]: It's a broad spectrum.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's humongous.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's everything with electricity.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Shockingly, I'm not.

[SPEAKER_05]: Shockingly.

[SPEAKER_05]: So then, I guess, did your life start to turn a little bit when you hurt your pack?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, I mean, that's that.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you told that quick story about you blew out your pack.

[SPEAKER_05]: Total, total, total pack.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, total pack rupture.

[SPEAKER_04]: I had, uh, I had just become a journeyman electrician.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like I was pumped because every year you finish a year of the program you get a big raise and that jump from being an apprentice to a journeyman is like a, it was like a $10 in our raise.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like it was what I've been working for for five years and didn't get a single full paycheck.

[SPEAKER_04]: And before I got hurt, my son's three months old.

[SPEAKER_04]: God, it fucking sucks.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're just bet you are benching.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, just bench where he's a maxing or was it like it was like the third rap and I was doing 375 like nothing I hadn't done before all the time and it just went [SPEAKER_05]: No warning.

[SPEAKER_05]: Nothing.

[SPEAKER_05]: Was it a hard rep?

[SPEAKER_05]: No.

[SPEAKER_05]: God, this is scary.

[SPEAKER_05]: I find this scary.

[SPEAKER_05]: Echo Charles.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is that scary?

[SPEAKER_00]: At 375, you kind of.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're in the game.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got a little bug.

[SPEAKER_00]: Things can happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Things will be happening.

[SPEAKER_05]: Things will be happening.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's gone.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so I mean that tour and like, you know, locking you drop the weight, like what happens to it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, there's that side just freaking gives out.

[SPEAKER_04]: That goes and then I had a spotter with me standing there, but he knows that he knows that this wasn't heavy weight for me.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was just there for more of like a check the box, and then so out of nowhere.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he gets it off me and like just drive home from the gym, pissed and like I could tell immediately like, [SPEAKER_04]: This muscle isn't here.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I walk into the doctor and you know my mom worked the hospital So she got me into seeing orthopedic surgeon and he's like, yeah, it's torn He's like, do you want to like mess with the MRI and stuff does like now just fix it?

[SPEAKER_04]: So I go in get it fixed and like that it fix it immediately.

[SPEAKER_05]: We go through like two three days later Two three days later.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's not like any emergency thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's it was [SPEAKER_04]: I got really lucky it's hard to find a place a doctor that will do that surgery actually at least in rural Iowa where I live because I've torn both At the second time I tore one like I that guy had retired and I had to call around all over the state to find somebody usually they're like Oh, we treat it conservatively and I go that sounds like we want that sounds like you're not gonna fucking fix it [SPEAKER_04]: Like yeah, well, we can give you rehab.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's not going to reattach the tendon to the bone, like I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_05]: I think kind of like the way car mechanics and electricians, I think like doctors are going to have to adjust to the new attitude of humans, which is like in the old days, you're still able to lift your arm to your good, you know, you don't need, we don't care about your pack, we don't care about your bicep, we don't care about [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you'll lost some strength in your hands because you're freaking spine is stacked up, but you're still, you can still do the dishes you're good to go.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, people, we're not like that anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: Get in there and do the dishes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, like, no, you get me back to, like, as close to full capacity as you can get me.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know there's rest.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I know there's rest.

[SPEAKER_05]: Let's, let's, let's, can do this.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: so it's hard to find a doctor that second time but uh so i mean luckily haven't you know gone through a whole lot my life i guess that was probably the shittiest chapter of my life it is felt like a complete shipbag you know i'm out here lifting weights at the gym we've got a three-month-old son wife's not back to work yet what number kid was that [SPEAKER_04]: my first oh down so like you know i got a three-year-old baby that i can't even pick up because i'm in a sling like just felt like an absolute bag of ass it's my fault going out here trying to be mr.

tough guy lived on a lot of weight and then uh was doing door dash in a sling trying to make whatever money i could i got like i don't know like 200 bucks from worksman workman's comp or something and uh [SPEAKER_05]: And you got, did you own a house?

[SPEAKER_05]: Do you have like a mortgage and change?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, a house had a mortgage, so it was, it was not good, it was not a good time.

[SPEAKER_05]: And at some point, your wife sent a new TikTok videos.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what was the first freaking TikTok one that you made that got 12 million?

[SPEAKER_04]: And I just, I was scrolling through these tech talks, I was like, man, I think I could be funny and then I made a, I made a three minute video about why all the is the best grocery store and it was just like a comedy bit and 12 million views 100,000 followers on tech talk overnight.

[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, and then what was next to you are like, okay, like I said earlier like, okay, I got oil.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to get a gig in that was like, okay, well, the whole vibe of the video was this this business model is crazy and it's awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I explained that from like my perspective and then next video I did was why the Marine Corps is the craziest branch of the military and people loved it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then the comments were like, now do army infantry.

[SPEAKER_04]: then now do more demand.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now do C-Bees, and then I started doing these three three minute short videos on why every military job is crazy, and then it progressed into 15 minute videos, and now I'm doing you know 45 minute to hour and a half stories on war heroes.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no they're great.

[SPEAKER_05]: I've watched a bunch of your videos.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're great.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're like, they're kind of the perfect YouTube video.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're long enough.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're short enough to watch like in a, you know, a rapid period of time, you don't have to like get in a proper chair to watch them, you know, you don't have to like get your neck warmer out or anything like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: You can just watch them.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're fast moving like I was like watching you talk and I'm like, oh, he's it almost seemed like you're editing even.

[SPEAKER_05]: little moments out, so it's like, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, so they come at you really quick.

[SPEAKER_05]: You got your, you know, your funny.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's so, you know, you get like a smile out of it, but they're also you're just telling epic badass stories of dudes that are doing epic badass shit.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, [SPEAKER_05]: most grown ass men want to hear that stuff right and you do it in between 20 and 30 or maybe 40 minutes boom you got your little dose of bad mastery with some laughs and smiles and you're a little smarter that's a freaking awesome model yeah I like it a lot it's a people same to like it I think the I think the reason it works so well for me is because I didn't like I never deployed never got to go do that so like I still have the [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it's like so I just in my head I just assume it's incredible and really hard so it's like I'm still looking up to those guys with like the [SPEAKER_04]: like a kid looking up to his dad.

[SPEAKER_04]: So everybody's awesome to me, so then we, you know, I'm doing a video on a CB telling you how awesome the CBs are.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have somebody, hundreds of emails and comments of like, hey, I'm 45 years old.

[SPEAKER_04]: My dad was a CB and World War II, and I had no idea how awesome my dad was.

[SPEAKER_04]: And now we watch your videos together and it brought us closer together.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I understand my dad a lot more and it's really cool.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like that's fucking awesome.

[SPEAKER_05]: That is awesome.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know I had a lot of that too where I've had people say oh my dad wasn't Vietnam and we sat down He never talked to me about before and we watched this video when you had this Vietnam guy Are you covered this book and we you know, he's now we go out for dinner every Wednesday and he tells me like another Story of what month you know where he and he tells me about what they did that month, so yeah That's it's pretty cool to have that help people make that connection.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and you know for me I mean I didn't do anything crazy in combat, but [SPEAKER_05]: I still look at like, you know, all the guys that I get to read books about, it's like, I still look at them.

[SPEAKER_05]: How'd you say you look at them?

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I look like a kid looking up.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's exactly.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, uh, I just did a podcast with a couple like seals from Vietnam.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's literally these guys are, [SPEAKER_05]: actually why I joined the seal teams.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was like seals in Vietnam is why I joined the seal teams.

[SPEAKER_05]: And here I am sitting here talking to seals from Vietnam that we're in kind of one of the most iconic seal platoons from the West Coast, Charlie Patoon, Seal team won 1968.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm sitting here talking to him.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, it's hard for me to act like a grown man.

[SPEAKER_05]: When my inner 12 year old just wants to like ask him a bunch of questions about their stone [SPEAKER_04]: It's awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like weird.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it cuz like one thing that was interesting to me and it makes complete sense in hindsight But one thing that was interesting to me is like I've read so much of the history of like the broader scope of what was going on I'll talk to a veteran that was there and I know more about the big picture of what happened That he does.

[SPEAKER_04]: He just has his first person perspective.

[SPEAKER_04]: He like I got drafted.

[SPEAKER_04]: I went there.

[SPEAKER_04]: I did a job.

[SPEAKER_04]: I came home [SPEAKER_04]: So, we'll talk about stuff as a holy shit, you were at that battle when this is, he's like, how do you know all this?

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, it's kind of a big deal, and we were talking with Mr.

Graves, the World War II veteran, there's a flamethrower in Eugenma, and just here in him being like, oh yeah, I was there when they raised the flag, just yeah, we found an old drainage pipe and slapped it up there in raised it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was like this is insane, and he's just talking about it non-challan, like the most iconic picture of all time.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's weird for me like when it because when I started this podcast It was mostly just books because I didn't know anybody and no one knew what a podcast was or anything like that So it's me just taking these old and for me the big focus was [SPEAKER_05]: the front line like first person accounts, you know, who was there and let me read your book and wrote what you wrote about being there and sometimes you know I would usually add some of the bigger picture context to it but a lot of times like we learn the bigger picture context in school, you know you learn about these major battles and whatnot but to hear a dude or read about a dude that was on the ground you know [SPEAKER_05]: picking lice out of his friends jacket so he would return the favor and by the way you don't you can't get all the lice they're always going to be there and there's going to non your skin for the next four months and that's what we're doing.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's that's it gives you a different perspective.

[SPEAKER_05]: Then just oh, you know, it was cold and so everyone wore coats for the entire time They were deployed on whatever front and it's like oh, yeah There's something called lies.

[SPEAKER_05]: You remember those things.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they were everywhere and everyone's infested with them And they would chew through their freaking skin like it just gives you a different perspective when you hear that from the people out there Well, I think it I think that's why I like content like mining yours words were a little different, but the same type just I think histories [SPEAKER_04]: there's a lot of people that just like I don't like history it's boring to me and it's because school always starts big picture and slowly zooms in and you've lost everybody's attention just being like in 1945 the Germans blah blah blah and they were here and this division of 23,000 dudes moved here you lose everybody but if you start with like here's this guy that had really shitty childhood it winds up being the guy that you know [SPEAKER_04]: Jake McNasty paints his face.

[SPEAKER_04]: He has a psychotic picture.

[SPEAKER_04]: He jumps out of a plane with his 13 renegades that they call the filthy 13 and he jumps into this battle.

[SPEAKER_04]: This battle's a big deal because boom boom boom boom.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, now like you've taught somebody history that they otherwise never would have understood because they didn't have the attention span, but because now it's part of an actual hero's story.

[SPEAKER_04]: They learn it and retain it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you get to understand and relate to and this is something I said like one of the earliest podcasts that we did you know I don't even remember what book was but I'm like Reminding people that these guys are not characters in a book.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're a person like this is a person I think it was like Paton death march, you know these guys just everyone's dying every one's dying just and it was like broken down the way this guy broke it down was basically [SPEAKER_05]: anyone that just did not have a deep intrinsic desire to live would just die.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like if you just said, I can't walk right now, I just need to rest.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're dead.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're going to die.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're just going to get left on the side of dead.

[SPEAKER_05]: And to convey to people, [SPEAKER_05]: like McNasty, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like this is a dude.

[SPEAKER_05]: And how does a dude end up like that?

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let me tell you a little bit where he came from it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And how's he end up with 13 other dudes that are also kind of like that?

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they took a bunch of freaking knuckle draggers that really aren't fit for much else.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's in the world.

[SPEAKER_05]: But we're going to put them all on a group and we're going to let them go get after it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_05]: What about when you get thrown in jail?

[SPEAKER_05]: Don't worry about that.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's the guy we're looking for.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just it's a human frag or nay.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to throw at the anime.

[SPEAKER_04]: It'll be their problem soon enough.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty much the strategy.

[SPEAKER_05]: We can either have this guy back on our base, causing problems or throw him over behind enemy lines and that him calls him freaking chaos over there.

[SPEAKER_04]: The chain of command is sitting in their office.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what do we do with this guy?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, option A.

[SPEAKER_04]: We kick him out of the military and he's running around free with all our wives back home.

[SPEAKER_04]: Or we put up with this ship for another 45 days and throw his ass at the plane at the Germans.

[SPEAKER_04]: So freaking good to go.

[SPEAKER_05]: So as you're looking at a, you're on tech, you start with TikTok.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then what comes after TikTok?

[SPEAKER_04]: TikTok, I immediately knew that TikTok was a fad.

[SPEAKER_04]: There wasn't any money in it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, [SPEAKER_04]: you know history in business.

[SPEAKER_04]: What year is this?

[SPEAKER_04]: This was 20.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is 2021.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is like the ass end of COVID.

[SPEAKER_04]: At least where I was at up in Iowa.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like COVID was like pretty much over at this point.

[SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you know I just studied business my whole life knew what business has worked and I knew there wasn't money in tech talks so I immediately started doing everything I could to push that audience over to YouTube.

[SPEAKER_04]: And originally I was just uploading [SPEAKER_04]: Way before YouTube shorts even existed just my vertical tech talk videos.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just scrub the watermark and upload them and I got a Decent sized following there and then eventually switched over to normal YouTube format and just start uploading and kept going and then what about being in the electrician [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I still did it for like two years, um, you know, I was, I've, I still to this day and fully ready to wake up and find out I got canceled and it's all gone and I'm going back to work and, uh, I won't be upset about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll just, it is, it was a fun ride while I had it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I still worked, I want to say year and a half to two years while I was making more money on YouTube and I was just doing that at night grinding it out and, uh, finally my boss told me [SPEAKER_04]: Over a weekend like 12-hour shifts over a weekend and weekend is when I made all my videos I told him I can and he said You're gonna have to decide if you want to be a YouTube guy or an electrician guy and I said all right I'm gonna go with whichever one pays me more [SPEAKER_04]: and he said I'm gonna assume that's me and I go you're wrong and he's like all right I'll see you on Monday and then a couple months after that I was just like I got to you know I started flying down to Texas doing podcasts with these guys and it's like I'm getting too busy I just can't that's the the unsubscribed podcast and how do you link up with those guys originally?

[SPEAKER_02]: Were you part of the unsubscribed podcast out of the great Zach?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just friends with all I've known them for over five almost six years and and like [SPEAKER_02]: It's a big creator hub down in San Antonio.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like, what's something we always talk about is like if you look at this span of time we've known each other, it's really not that long, but from sun up to sun down, we're with each other the entire time, doing something, eating something, you know, like our rooms here, they're joining, like we're always like interacting, like it's just because we're maximizing that time we all have together.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when I had met Nick, they had brought him, I think it was like a few episodes after they brought you down as before he became a host.

[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't electrician then, and he was like, I'm still doing this and I was like, for real?

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, yeah, I got to be back Monday.

[SPEAKER_02]: I remember you saying that, it burned in my mind.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, [SPEAKER_02]: And like while his videos are getting a million a million a million a million views a million views and by that time people started sending me stuff like a lot of his marine stuff because they'd like this guy really knows what he's doing I was like matter fact we've been hanging out So that's how you guys met Yes, yes was through unsubscribed podcast and who's the original unsubscribed podcast dude [SPEAKER_04]: So original, it started with three buddies, E-LiQuay, the C-Li Double Tap, Baddy Streams, and Donut Operator.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're in the three original hosts.

[SPEAKER_05]: I remember Donut Operator, because I remember seeing that name and going, that's pretty good, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_05]: And he was a cop and I was like, oh, that's, that's, that's one, that one's gonna stick, you know, that's a pretty good name to throw it out there.

[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, and then so you guys who you're part of that now, you're part of on subscribe to have a host now, and so where do you guys film that thing?

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, we got a studio down in San Antonio.

[SPEAKER_05]: So do you have to travel down to San Antonio?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, I travel, travel down there about once a month, and then we film, you know, three or four podcasts over the span of two or three days, and then those are our podcasts for the month, and I head back home.

[SPEAKER_05]: And what's, what is the nature of those podcasts for someone that's listening compared to just the straight-up fat electrician?

[SPEAKER_04]: podcast, so it's different to do so that electrician is a you know, it's never me talking about myself It's never me telling any of my stories or anything I got going on fat electrician is This is a video on this dude.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's today.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about this guy [SPEAKER_04]: Here's his childhood, here's how he got in the military, here's the crazy things that happened, here's the crazy things happen after the military, here's how he passed away, the end, see you next week.

[SPEAKER_04]: And unsubscribe podcast is literally me hanging out with two to three of my buddies and potentially flying out somebody else that we think would be cool to hang out and drink beer with and just shoot in the shit for three hours straight.

[SPEAKER_05]: Do you go into those with any kind of list of topics you're going to cover, you just roll with them?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a guest by guest basis.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have such a broad range, if we're bringing out some other YouTuber that we just think is a funny guy, like we're just going to drink beer and have fun, or, you know, it swings the other direction, totally we had, we had Jim Capers come on, you know, I mean that dude's a military legend, so I mean, I went through, I read his book, I watched all the documentary's on him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And my thing is I like, I like find in the funny crazy stuff that like humanizes these bigger than life figures.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like, you know, everybody else that brings Jim on is wanting to talk about a knife kill or all the crazy war hero stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's like also like, [SPEAKER_04]: Jim, I understand that you were on a mission in Vietnam and you captured a 23-foot Python mid-mission and brought it back as a pet like I want to hear that story Like they were coming back from a recon mission and just happened upon this 200-pound snake He's like, yeah, so we took our poncho covers and wrapped its head up and then we were carrying it through the jungle headed back to our fob And we got we got to a river and we couldn't get it across as river because it was so heavy so we left it [SPEAKER_04]: and then we got back up there in the helicopter pilot didn't believe us so we took a chopper down and landed it on some shallow part of the river and took the snake up to our base and dug a pit and kept it as a pet.

[SPEAKER_04]: We called it goma like freaking nom dude.

[SPEAKER_05]: These guys had wait these guys knew how to like get it on.

[SPEAKER_05]: They have way better and plus Vietnam was just a better a.o.

[SPEAKER_05]: than like either afghanistan or Iraq as far as just having some normal [SPEAKER_05]: Shit going down, you know, and the the seals the East Coast seal seal team two and Vietnam They brought home They they caught a monkey and they brought it back to America and they had it on the quarterback and it was really like an angry monkey that would like They had it on a leash or some shit, but [SPEAKER_05]: When I got to see a team 2, one of those old Vietnam guys like hey, we had a monkey his name was Jaco So they had a freaking monkey on the quarter.

[SPEAKER_05]: So a team 2 the big blowback in Vietnam his name was Jaco It was like yeah, that's what I'm talking about Do you know what do you know about Sergeant reckless no the Marine Corps warhorse?

[SPEAKER_05]: What about him?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh God.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's they did the same thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: They had a smuggler back So the the Marines were up and they were fighting in Korea and this point, you know, it was [SPEAKER_04]: They were basically fighting on the 38th parallel and the Korean map is just it's just hills It was just you're either running up a hill or you're running down a hill So the Marines were up on these hills just trying to hold the line for negotiations and These Marines it was called the iron triangle and all the hills were named after Nevada cities Reno Carson Las Vegas and these Marines were holding this iron triangle and the North Koreans [SPEAKER_04]: wanted to punch through their position, because that was the most direct route to Seoul.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the North Koreans wanted to take over Seoul because it would be highly beneficial for their negotiating power.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they were throwing everything they had at these Marines.

[SPEAKER_04]: These hills were so steep.

[SPEAKER_04]: The only thing they could get up there for, you know, bigger than small arms was recoil as rifles.

[SPEAKER_04]: But these big recoil as rifle rounds are like 30 pounds.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they're having to lug them up these hills.

[SPEAKER_04]: And when, you know, the calming start rushing down, there's just meat wall after meat wall.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's too many of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they get permission to go into town and buy a horse or a donkey or whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: So they go into a race track, they buy this Mongolian mayor, short, stocky little horse.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they bring her back and they put her through hoof camp instead of boot camp.

[SPEAKER_04]: They, you know, they're blowing up her nades and shit so she doesn't get scared anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: And cover her with flack jackets and...

[SPEAKER_04]: North Koreans and Chinese end up attacking and they're attacking for like four days straight all day and all night this horse is just lugging around up.

[SPEAKER_04]: They said she's spanned like it was like something crazy like a hundred miles and carried a couple tons of ammunition up hill under gunfire completely saved the Marines during this battle multiple times and then [SPEAKER_04]: They go to take her back and they're like, no, we're not taking her back.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not taking this horse back with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the Marines link up with the Navy.

[SPEAKER_04]: They smuggler to Japan and then they link up with some independent shipping company that agrees to ship her back to California on boat.

[SPEAKER_04]: I link back up with her on the boat.

[SPEAKER_04]: and the marine like chain of command is mad that they got her this far so they have the Department of Agriculture come in and they're like we're going to destroy her because she could have diseases or whatever and the marines are like, no you're not ain't happening.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not happening.

[SPEAKER_04]: So [SPEAKER_04]: an altercation between the Department of Agriculture and these Marines goes down and they're like, well, we can take a blood sample and then we'll get the lab results back in a couple of days and if she's cleaning a letter go, but in the meantime, just leave her here, go, go to your Marine Corps, homecoming ball, whatever, whatever, we'll take care of her and they're like, now they had a full security detail with her the entire time.

[SPEAKER_04]: As soon as the Department of Agriculture leaves, [SPEAKER_04]: They smuggler off the ship out of the port and they smuggler into a high-rise building and I want to say it's like San Francisco or San Diego.

[SPEAKER_04]: They get her up to like the 17th floor with the Marine Corps ball is and there's pictures of Sergeant Reckless at the Marine Corps ball like eating the flowers and you can't get shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: She would walk up, she was actually a sergeant and they made all of the lower and listed traitor as she was a sergeant.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like if Sergeant Reckless walked up and like [SPEAKER_04]: Like that was an order to share your food with her or to give her a drink, so like they were literally mixed drinks directly into her mouth.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then she ended up retiring on Camp Pendleton, and she had always had a lower enlisted farm kid that was her handler.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she was the one in charge, and nobody was allowed to ride her, so the running joke, the running joke, was literally the kid in charge of taking care of Sergeant Reckless was the most in-shape Marine in the Marine Corps, because only way they could exercise her was to run beside her for 10 miles a day.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, just smuggling animals back, having a good time.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we really screwed up the military with all these rules, man.

[SPEAKER_05]: Because it was like we couldn't bring home anything.

[SPEAKER_05]: you know like the whole idea of bringing home war trophies which you know you think war trophies maybe you think in something you know crazy but like to bring home enemy AK-47 right why can't you not do that that's freaking totally ridiculous I have a friend that got like major trouble because he took the blame for someone that brought home on a AK-47 it's like probably [SPEAKER_05]: That's like going to, yeah, it's like going to McDonald's and saying you stole like one of those plastic straws.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's common loot.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's the issue.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the issue.

[SPEAKER_05]: We should have been shipping home just freaking cruise boxes filled with AK47s to hang up at your command or in your living room or whatever, you know, let's go.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like World War II or ship and back trophy skulls or nothing like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can kind of understand a little bit.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know the answer.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's not a cool thing at all.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Gross.

[SPEAKER_04]: Those pictures of all the wives back home with the skulls of her husband's enemies didn't go hard as far.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still upset about my nunchucks, so that's all my fault.

[SPEAKER_05]: What's up with your nunchucks?

[SPEAKER_02]: My first deployment, we came across that.

[SPEAKER_02]: This kid and he was like running around and it's in Afghanistan.

[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have electricity most places And he had a set of nunchucks Yeah, and he wouldn't stop hitting people with this so I snatched them and I was to this day I don't know how this this young man in Afghanistan found found out about nunchucks [SPEAKER_02]: But we were leaving, and we had to go through manus.

[SPEAKER_02]: And a bunch of MPs were going through my stuff, and they pulled out my nunchucks.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, what are these?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, they're nunchucks, they're my, I'm taking them home.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, no, you're not.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I'm taking them home.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, this is a weapon.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they had like a big burn pit.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he had to put all the stuff over the side.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the way he was looking at him, I was like, oh, he's about to take them home.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I walked over and I tossed him into the thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was just like, [SPEAKER_02]: Dude, you're not taking them from me like as if it was just like a really cool thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: And they wonder why brothers get PTSD, bro?

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, your whole life would have been complete.

[SPEAKER_05]: If you had a set of freaking Afghan non-jokes in your damn living room.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I watched BloodSport as a child.

[SPEAKER_02]: I watched all of those martial arts movies.

[SPEAKER_02]: How did that culture find that kid in the middle of a poppy filled with Afghanistan?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like none of his friends, I was friends with us.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he wasn't saying like, what does he do when he's tying two sticks together?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I really wanted them.

[SPEAKER_05]: So how did you guys end up, because you guys have another podcast, which is called the underwhelming podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.

[SPEAKER_05]: And how did you open, what triggered that thing into existence?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wanted to spend more time with Nick, so I had to start a business with him.

[SPEAKER_02]: But no, it's just...

[SPEAKER_02]: it just kind of really happened naturally like I got invited so I got invited on the show like literally a month after I did this last year and like I said we're like always hanging out like almost every other month we're doing stuff together and um they the unsubscribe guys has started their subscription uh company called Pepperbox it's it's patreon but like it's literally made by them and they're the owners and stuff and so [SPEAKER_02]: There's been like this expansion of like content in the unsubscribing universe right when you say it's probably this way scribe And so like you know other shows me and made on there like donut has a cooking show Brandon has like a gun specific show You know and Nick has another show is right who is a cooking show?

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, don't operate it really it's called let him cook.

[SPEAKER_05]: What does he teach now to cook this or just Jimmy?

[SPEAKER_02]: Cody's like really good at cooking and like it's something that's been passed on for his family He's from a group in the south like he like literally north to Alabama's where he grew up and stuff and so like [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like the coolest version of guys hanging out like I would have made smash burgers and like he just makes stuff and So like we just started talking he's like do you want to start a podcast?

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like yeah, I think that would be fun like let's do kind of like on a old dad new dad Yeah, like unsubscribe is very much like [SPEAKER_04]: smoke pit unsubscribe smoke pit hangin out with your buddies in rock stock and then underwhelming is like He's a dad with more experience.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a new dad.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about more like family oriented stuff Like hey, how did you manage this?

[SPEAKER_04]: What was the mistake she made when this issue was going on when you're five year old, you know?

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's just something that happened naturally because like from the time that I came here a year ago to now my life has significantly changed right on in a way In a good way in a good way no like like I can't anticipate it Like I got to say it's just it blows my mind that I remember when you came on Joe Rogan, I was like [SPEAKER_02]: This dude's fucking awesome, so like now I can text you like it's just like this weird timeline Okay, I read his book in high school Yeah, I'm sitting across the table from the sound weird It is there's a look there's a lot of that like a you know you're like looking up to here I'm like yeah, it's so cool But like So like the last year the beginning part was kind of weird so like I kind of in January I had this like mindset of like [SPEAKER_02]: I want to lock in and like do this push to kind of like continue to do what I'm doing with veteran with a sign to kind of like continue to be a force for good, a change agent, stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I found myself in like really uncomfortable moments.

[SPEAKER_02]: And because I did a bunch of podcasts, I did here.

[SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: And then, unsubscribe and then out of nowhere, the VFW started talking about me.

[SPEAKER_05]: That was sad about that was like, you talked about one of the veteran assistants like organizations and you promoted them as doing a good job for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'll go as quickly as I can through, but the long and short of it is there are organizations that veterans can pay to help them with their benefits, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And there are companies that take like back pay and stuff like that that's not what I'm talking about.

[SPEAKER_02]: This organization that I work with is called Remedical RE medical and what you do is you go talk to them and then they give you like an outline of how they can help you with getting supporting medical evidence for your claims, that's why most claims are kicked back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it is not free to use, it is free to talk to them, and then they tell you how much their services are the same way, you know, turbo text does.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is free to do your taxes online, or you can pay turbo tax or CPA, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it is, I believe it's every, everyone should have the right to choose.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I've told them this and I've told everyone this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like the day exists at all.

[SPEAKER_05]: But I do like that people have the option to choose and I think well just so like I'm captioning this right so just for people in our veterans like when you get when you get out of the military you can get some form of compensation for generally speaking it's it's service related injuries [SPEAKER_05]: So that seems like it should be pretty straightforward.

[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, I lost my left pinky, you know, in a, in a range accident.

[SPEAKER_05]: And okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: You lost your left pinky.

[SPEAKER_05]: That sucks.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to give you whatever percentage of your pay for the rest of your life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And you go.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: That makes sense.

[SPEAKER_05]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's it seems like it should be like that, but it ain't like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's not like, it's way complicated.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, well, how exactly did you lose your pinky?

[SPEAKER_05]: And how long, what length of pinky did you lose?

[SPEAKER_05]: And are you left handed or right handed?

[SPEAKER_05]: And are you going to be in an occupation?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, there's all these things that you have to go through.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so it ends up being a very complicated process.

[SPEAKER_05]: Much like, you know, you brought up taxes.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, for me to do my taxes.

[SPEAKER_05]: is not possible.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to go and say that.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like I believe, you know, you can make anything happen.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_05]: If you believe it, you can achieve it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to tell you right now, I could not do my taxes.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's smart.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's impossible for me to do my taxes.

[SPEAKER_05]: There are so many, or I could try, but I would get like arrested because I would miss something.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so, you know, I have a guy that I've been working with for a long time that does not just my taxes, but he does the taxes for like 80 different people, 80 different families.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so he's really good at it and he works with people that have multiple businesses and have lots of weird tax stuff going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: So he does that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he does it for me too because he knows how the system works.

[SPEAKER_05]: And by the way, he gets updated when there's a regulatory change or a new tax law comes in.

[SPEAKER_05]: He understands it.

[SPEAKER_05]: He dives into it.

[SPEAKER_05]: He researches it.

[SPEAKER_05]: He goes through it.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he makes it work for me and figures out the best way to address the situation.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's a really, that's a full-time job, about a bunch of stuff out anymore than I would go to a freaking factory and start trying to wire a factory up like no, I wouldn't know how to do that.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's the same thing when you're trying to figure out what the government, what the VAO's you, it's a really complicated process.

[SPEAKER_05]: I know it shouldn't be, just like doing your taxes shouldn't be, but it is.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so a lot of veterans, [SPEAKER_05]: They have trouble getting what they're supposed to get and it's problematic and so what's happened over the past?

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how long but these various companies have sprung up some of their charities, some of them are companies and they sprung up to help veterans do a good job with their VA claim.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so this one of these companies that did, that does that and what, what are they called?

[SPEAKER_05]: And so you're, well, how did you get involved with them and then, how did the, the, the, the, the, the, VFW?

[SPEAKER_02]: Why is the VFW?

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can say all in the right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I just, he's involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to, want to co-sign for my boy, but, um, we have the same, um, management agency.

[SPEAKER_02]: And what they do is they help to facilitate bringing out sponsors for, like, his YouTube channel or there'd be, like, exactly what you talk about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, well, I've been involved with, you know, ex organization.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing these things.

[SPEAKER_02]: One of the creators at the agency was working with the FW as a part of this build that they're trying to push.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where it's at now.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard it gets knocked down everywhere.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God.

[SPEAKER_02]: But basically, what they're trying to do underneath the guys of protecting veterans from fraud and not being taken advantage of, they're trying to put forward a bill, what is it called?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is it the guard?

[SPEAKER_04]: Guard act?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's the guard act.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's the guard act.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so basically what they want to do is to make all of these four-profit companies illegal and to restrict only a certain amount of non-profits to help veterans with their benefits moving forward or state or federal agencies, like basically them, the Legion and the D.A.V., [SPEAKER_02]: and I don't like that and they came forward and they were they work with this one creator um he doesn't care if I name it I'm not going to they they worked with him he had talked about it and then they wanted to expand like other talent so they came to myself they came to the fatally Christian Nick and they came to uh angry cops rich our friend of ours as well very good friend and we all talked about it behind the scenes and I lean a lot on Nick because as you've seen from his videos [SPEAKER_02]: He's almost never wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't come across the time where he's wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's one time where he's wrong and I won the argument, but that's it, and that will carry me through.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't talk about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

[SPEAKER_05]: Classified information.

[SPEAKER_05]: If you're going to be wrong, Nick, it might as well be as something can't talk about.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're even right about what you were wrong about.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: He always wins.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but no.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and we, I just, I know too much from like working with Veterans since 2011 and everything else.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need the government to protect me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need them to remove choice on any of them to freedom.

[SPEAKER_02]: I need them to worry about things like what's in our food, the neverending wars, supporting veterans stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let me have the right to choose.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need the government to start regulating freedom and choice because it's a very slippery slope that I don't want to be a part of.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know anyone that the VFW in particular has helped with their claims.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've just never heard that.

[SPEAKER_02]: From doing this for a long time, and so I didn't support that.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's another act that's called like the Choice Act, and basically what they do is [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not crazy about this either because it just feels like something else to just have the government involved and I don't like that but the idea is that they would create some type of credentialing process to where if you're for profit entity you go through this credentialing process and you get to stand this as hey you can use them right and I just made like an ad and I was like hey talk to this organization.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like a month went by because I'd done this and unsub.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I opened up Twitter one day and there's this guy doing like the worst version of me and he's an older veteran.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll try to be kind and I wasn't through.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was dressed like you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: He had the same OD green shirt and I was up a sign over.

[SPEAKER_04]: His head doing the veteran with a sign thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Basically, shitting on you.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was shitting on me, lying about me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And a camera, they exact tweet.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it was some to the effect of veteran with the signs line.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like on Twitter I don't actually it's not better with science just sack because it's just me Because at the time I had started it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like doing op-eds and stuff for like different publications to include Fox News watch it not Washington Post and the New York Times and so like I was like holy shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is bad Like and the first person I called was was Nick and then I was like what do we do and he's like don't do anything And I was like, but I have tweets saved I have things I want to say and he's like [SPEAKER_02]: Don't do anything we're gonna figure this out and then I call rich and then the same thing so we start like trying to figure out what's a happen and It was really like the media the media response from like people that know me or people who had heard about me was like [SPEAKER_02]: This isn't right, stop lying about Zach, whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because their thing was saying that I was working with a claim-sharp company, which is that they were calling you a predator.

[SPEAKER_04]: A predator.

[SPEAKER_04]: You were accepting money to take advantage of veterans using a predator company.

[SPEAKER_02]: All because I did not accept their campaign.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's the long and short, which it was not an insignificant amount of money.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also worth mentioning the whole reason I turned it down immediately without even looking into it just because it was red flags for me I'm sorry an organization wants to pay a YouTube or called the fat electrician to push legislation now I don't know what I don't know what you got going on.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is either a stupid plan or something bad That there's no other options.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're trying to hire the fat electrician to force legislation through it now [SPEAKER_05]: get out of here.

[SPEAKER_05]: Something is straight.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I even tried to like DM them and stuff and be like, we should talk about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: We should figure this out and they were like, no, no, no, and they just kept doubling down.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we just kept moving with it and then finally like we developed a plan and basically the idea was, [SPEAKER_02]: that rich rich is famous by doing break downs of like military stuff that's like happening currently and then like he was going to like take it all up and we were just going to gather the evidence and have like one could close a video of like exactly what happened and then it's like I've got some stuff to say.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like this is what people would call a poor strategy was trying to get an a pissing match on the internet with a group of guys that just have pissing matches on the internet.

[SPEAKER_02]: who have blind dangerously blind loyalty to each other like it's kind of like shoot that guy bang why did we shoot that guy I mean don't care you know it's it's a lot like that um and uh because like my my concern was [SPEAKER_02]: You know, most internet content creators, they don't last longer than four, five, three, three, five.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm already in, like, rarefied air to begin with, and then it continues to become, like, something different after that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, what if my only consumers, like, what if people believe them?

[SPEAKER_02]: and then I can't recover from this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like what if my reputation, you know, the work I've done everything else wasn't enough to really counteract the mother fucking VFW saying that I'm a predator.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was over one, there's like over 24 or 48 hours and then they put together the video and [SPEAKER_02]: We just dog walks if you have to you up and down the internet like it felt great.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to lie I mean after the video came out there was they got a hold of you pretty quick because there was people dropping their membership to the FB and what did the VFW say to you when they got a hold of you?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say this the president guy called me and he's like hey, hey, you know, blah, blah, blah I don't I can't remember his name, but like [SPEAKER_02]: He talked to me and he's like, hey, you know, it's important that we all work together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's a New York.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a veteran, you're veteran.

[SPEAKER_02]: I go, I know you're the president of the VFW.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like some of the stuff we could cut out of this conversation.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought he was going to be much more of like, hey, this is a leadership thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I should have squashed this negative.

[SPEAKER_02]: His first thing that he said to me was like, yeah, that angry cops in the fatally, Trisha and guy are pretty mean.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, they just described what you did.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, fair.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's no like, but his like, initial response was like, we're the problem, not them, because it became very apparent to me that the VFW does not like.

[SPEAKER_02]: that they are not taken as seriously as they believe that they should be taken in the modern era.

[SPEAKER_02]: They believe them stuff to be leaders in elder statesmen and all of this stuff that just isn't based in reality.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so he was like on a tour visiting the boys in Korea or something.

[SPEAKER_02]: that have like two VFWs and I'm like, listen, I'm not going to tell you how to spend your time sir kind of sound like a vacation.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to tell you how to spend your time, but what about the VFWs and Philly, San Diego, Nashville, Iowa?

[SPEAKER_02]: Do they not get this type of attention?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they're not in Asia in like really cool places.

[SPEAKER_04]: When the other part, like I feel like we should point out is like it, we keep saying the VFW, but like there was a lot of like chapter leaders and like ground level VFW because it came out and we're like, hey, I [SPEAKER_04]: I don't like what I don't know how to explain the national corporate identity.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm going to say exactly how to use that or freaking kick ass, like great people, you know, there's some chapters down here in San Diego that I've hung out with and they're fantastic, like they're great.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I doubt they knew any of this stuff was going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I didn't know this stuff was going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: So they started pushing out like talking points to them and like So have you guys this thing come to like any kind of a resolution?

[SPEAKER_05]: Have you guys like when they called you or like hey, man?

[SPEAKER_05]: Like Let's if you want to be on the same team.

[SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about how we can do this or what is it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is it just so still negative where we left it with the previous president?

[SPEAKER_02]: was he we talked on like a Monday and he was like I'm traveling back Wednesday and then let's set up a time for me Nick and Rich to all sit down and talk and I was like I'll do that I'll do that like I want I honestly want them to succeed yeah of course um he no longer was in that position by Friday of that week like his term ended I don't know if it ended early [SPEAKER_02]: Or whatever, I will say it's highly unusual to make plans because, you know, you know, rich as a cop and buffalo, Nick's got a family.

[SPEAKER_02]: We were all like, okay, we're all going to DC Thursday to get their Friday, like we made plans.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why he would say that to me and then none of it moved forward with.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's very strange.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know if he left earlier if it's just the end of his turn, but like, it feels like, oh, yeah, by the way, I won't have this job Friday.

[SPEAKER_02]: would have come up if he if he if I felt like he was intentionally trying to do it and like they continue to just kind of what's the right word.

[SPEAKER_02]: They continue to resent.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think just like newer veterans in general because like they feel like we're not giving them their due but like honestly they're the ones who did a lot of the work that put myself and everyone and I believe this room in a position to succeed.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to work with them [SPEAKER_02]: to reach out and interact with hundreds of thousands to millions of people and even moment my life.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they did to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: They straight up lied about me.

[SPEAKER_02]: What do they do to other people?

[SPEAKER_02]: How do they interact with the other people to have that?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think they thought they could do to the people that to you and they realized they couldn't get away with it and then dropped it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's such a strange time that someone, you know, and this is not just this case, but it happens pretty regularly where you can just put something out there into the ethernet.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, you watch the politicians, the politicians are, it's insane to watch them.

[SPEAKER_05]: Just just openly lie, just blatantly openly lie, as if it's nothing about whatever.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's now just part of the ethernet and depending on which algorithm you're living in, [SPEAKER_05]: That like becomes the truth, and that's what's happening right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a certain governor's doing a lot of that on podcast right now, apparently.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's crazy to watch.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, these things are bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know which one you're talking about.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's actually a worse thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's even worse, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many of them.

[SPEAKER_05]: Just openly lying, and it's the, I forget which you'll probably remember this neck, like, who is it?

[SPEAKER_05]: Grubbles that said, if you lie enough, it becomes the truth.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like that, that is a real thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: and it's just lie, lie, lie, lie.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it is interesting, too, like the approach that you guys took with this dude, because sometimes it's like, if you, when you rebut something or someone rebut something, it just adds more fuel to the fire, as opposed to like, oh yeah, that happened three years ago, like this is, yeah, it was just a bunch of bullshit.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, cool because there's the the new cycle is so fast and filled with so much stuff that if you wait Like you said 24 48 hours you were really, you know really hate in life and then like, well 72 hours You're like, oh, yeah, what are we doing this afternoon?

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, that's where somebody said something to be about you know three days ago And it doesn't matter anymore because [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, it just fades into the past and the other thing that I think you pointed out, which I think is really important is like It's that's not part of your character and Eventually as a person you build up enough like repetitions of who you are [SPEAKER_05]: when someone just jumps out of nowhere and, you know, calls out some random thing about you, when you've been doing repetitions and repetitions of helping people of helping charities, of helping veterans for year upon year upon year upon year.

[SPEAKER_05]: But now we'll send all that was just like that was just a front because I was really over here just trying to get this paycheck.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, mmm, it just doesn't add up.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so I think the the long term consistency of a person generally speaking will win when someone comes out with some, you know, trash bullshit about them.

[SPEAKER_04]: yeah it was it was crazy um because like I knew we're gonna get through it I was just I didn't know what type of damage I was going to take well that's the only reason that we even bothered to acknowledge it was because I mean the the default setting for all of our friend group is you know somebody comes out saying crazy stuff ignoring I don't know if like people know it's not true the issue with this one was like [SPEAKER_04]: This isn't, you know, nobody coming out of the woodwork with an allegation.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is true.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is the VFDOS.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is one of the oldest veteran organizations on the planet that exclusively deals with a big overlap in our audience.

[SPEAKER_04]: And like, that's actual, okay, we do have to correct this.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, that's crazy.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like I said, hopefully the VFW, you know, I've know a lot of great people in the VFW.

[SPEAKER_05]: Hopefully they kind of come to their senses and realize that, you know, we're we should we're supposed to be there people, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Again, I don't even we keep saying VFW and like it's not even it wasn't like we had so many like chapter leaders and VFW members that were reaching out being like, hey, this is bullshit.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're doing we don't like what the international is doing and [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, I think it was very much like their DC.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've a couple of dudes at a very, very high level.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just mad that they didn't have enough political power at the top of the hill that were more worried about their own, you know, leverage points than the actual mission and like all the people at the ground level and like mid level were.

[SPEAKER_04]: Very much like this is stupid.

[SPEAKER_04]: We don't support this.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the VFW We keep saying is the issue, but it was and I think it was a couple of high leaders Then maybe shouldn't have been there.

[SPEAKER_02]: The head shed It's a head shed.

[SPEAKER_02]: They had no idea what's going on in the ground.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like it's I can still think of like when I opened up my phone and I saw it and I was just like [SPEAKER_02]: my wife's going to be so pissed at me like he's I was just like I can't believe I'm in this place like I've like I said like he said like I have worked with veterans I have worked with nonprofits Mark Green who was my congressman was my state representative I worked with him in Tennessee to help pass you know a few hundred thousand dollars a year to support veterans organizations at the state level like I've done all of these things and like [SPEAKER_02]: There's a moment where I'm like, is this what's going to wipe all that away?

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it just really changed everything in the sense of like, it gave me a new sense of feeling of support because the unsubscribed community in general, they came forth.

[SPEAKER_02]: there if when they lock in these when these boys live aggressive they're aggressive his his wife made a meme that's probably the most perfect meme ever um you've seen uh two towers right Lord of the Rings no you haven't seen Lord of the Rings I've been serious I'm sorry but no [SPEAKER_02]: Echo.

[SPEAKER_02]: Echo.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can you explain?

[SPEAKER_02]: You've seen two towers, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, you haven't seen No, I'm over two.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a hell of a venn diagram.

[SPEAKER_04]: Seen snow.

[SPEAKER_04]: Seen more of the rings.

[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, it's fine.

[SPEAKER_05]: So this old freaking metaphors gone out the window.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's this point where Aragon and a few people are down at the bottom and they're waiting on Gand off to reinforce them with the Roheiron.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're in a fort and they're completely surrounded by a million dudes.

[SPEAKER_04]: This time it's like the end is coming and the reinforcements show up at the top of the hill with the sunlight to their back right as the sunlight peeks over and they calvele recharge in nice and save the day is pretty good.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that was the unsubscribed crew.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, Hannah made a meme.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was just an ocean of people with memes and tweets and comments just Really just putting the VFW back in their place.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it was it was like overwhelming support and to this day I still get messages about it and stuff and it just like It's I don't know it gave me hope in a way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't anticipate and the very best way because like he said like If you say something enough times it can become true and like that one really researches stuff anymore You know they're like an inch deep in a mile wide type stuff and so [SPEAKER_02]: It just changed everything and I'm just been an exciting year and like me and they kind of out enough I was like yeah, I can do a podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go here.

[SPEAKER_02]: You go there and we'll we'll figure it out and it's you know It's under he's like what do you want to call it?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like I don't know underwhelming He's like why and I was like just said the bar low and we'll just achieve it [SPEAKER_05]: It's funny to the meme things.

[SPEAKER_05]: I remember a few years ago, I saw like a meme of a hat and it was like a VFW type hat and it said like meme, you know, veteran of the meme waters.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and the first time I saw that I was like, that's that's like pretty funny, pretty awesome, pretty cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: But [SPEAKER_05]: There is reality behind the idea of meme wars and information, you know, to take Alex Jones's, you know, the name of his organization of Info Wars.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like that is a real thing and that is what is is happening and these are like what you guys Just describe this sort of micro me more of you know sort of a social media war between you know You and the VFW that's like a really small scale thing where [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you had the backup, the reinforcements, the whatever tower of whatever you said.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: You had the real, and your lifewriters of Rohan.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and you're able to overcome what, you know, the enemy in this case.

[SPEAKER_05]: And what people got to remember is that that's happening on a real scale, in a real way, with just straight up, call it what it is, meme wars.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like memes that do well, people that, and I mentioned this earlier, what algorithm are you living in?

[SPEAKER_05]: Because, and you know, we were talking about this a little bit last night, but the, if you're living in an algorithm and what you're being, whatever you're being fed, you begin to believe that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And never mind begin, you end up believing that this algorithm that you see all day every day is real, and that that is the way the world is.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's just what you've been fed through information warfare.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's very disturbing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well it's I always explain it like you know back in World War II in Korea and stuff You could the government could censor like we're not putting this out we can hide this that that those days are gone Everybody has a smartphone and a camera phone so now the only way to have control of the narrative is to over saturate the market with so much bullshit that nobody knows what's true [SPEAKER_04]: And then that's where memes, you think it's a stupid picture on the internet, but a picture is worth a thousand words.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, and if I can create a meme that conveys a thousand word message and makes you go, ha, or yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: to media.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you share it.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is how I feel.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is a reflection of me.

[SPEAKER_02]: My opinion.

[SPEAKER_02]: Boom.

[SPEAKER_02]: You share it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look at the current presidential races.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like memes played a humongous role in this presidential election.

[SPEAKER_04]: You've still got the official White House and Department of Homeland Security and all kinds of, they're posting memes straight up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a hundred percent of the United States is dropping memes.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, it's kind of crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like human communication went up and up and up and up and up and up and up.

[SPEAKER_04]: And language got more and more articulate, more and more articulate.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it peaked.

[SPEAKER_04]: And now it's like, okay, everybody understands the articulate part.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now we're going to dump it back down to Hyrule glyphs.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was just taking our articulate 1,000 words.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that being said, it's like, I think we talked about this a little bit last night as well when we were having dinner, but you've heard the whole thing that Jordan Peterson would talk about of the podcast being like a bigger revolution than the good time printing press because now not only does it just completely like, uh, uh, [SPEAKER_05]: Goes anywhere in the press of one button.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean at least when you had the printing press you had to like buy paper and ink and even if you're writing books There put the dies in the right way Yeah, if you had a thing 20 years ago if you were gonna if you wrote a book It was like you had to get a publisher There's all kinds of cost a bunch of money now you can then then you know you could vlog for whatever blog for a while And that was like you could write and it was kind of cheap to get that out there and that work for a while [SPEAKER_05]: and the barrier to entry was lower and lower and then with podcast.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, bro, there's like, you don't even know how you don't need to know how to write or read to do a podcast, but you have to put in at least a little bit of time to talk the words or listen to the words, but you get into the mean zone.

[SPEAKER_05]: Now it's like, I'm gonna give you a message that you are going to absorb in one second, one look.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so, if you nail and we know it, like how often do you look at a meme?

[SPEAKER_05]: Because I got kids that are 16 through 25.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, look, we're freaking knee-deep in names, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: They're all over it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And meme-deep.

[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, we're meme-deep.

[SPEAKER_05]: And yet, it's like, you know that there is a meme when it's good.

[SPEAKER_05]: It might as well be an incredible, you know, piece of poetry because it just lands and the whole family gets the meme.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like the whole family knows what it means, understands what the, what the indication is, understand what's about, understand the, like the, the humor in it or the sorrow in it, or the frustration that they all understand all these things from a picture and seven words.

[SPEAKER_05]: That is next level and there's a certain level of art to oh, yeah, I mean a high level of art to making really good memes And the other interesting thing is we have this this this system now that percolates the winning memes to the top But at no point [SPEAKER_05]: Is it required for that meme or for that seven-second video to be true?

[SPEAKER_05]: It just has to bring out a motion.

[SPEAKER_04]: Was it the Da Vinci said that simplicity is the alternate complication?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is.

[SPEAKER_05]: Or Mark Twain said, hey, I wanted to write you a long letter or I wanted to write you a short letter, but I didn't have time.

[SPEAKER_05]: because it takes more time to make your words more concise and more direct.

[SPEAKER_05]: But the scariest part of this is it doesn't need to be true.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so you can get a meme that has just complete misinformation in it, and that's probably what's the word?

[SPEAKER_05]: They use disinformation, they use misinformation, but yeah, shit that ain't true.

[SPEAKER_05]: This shit ain't true.

[SPEAKER_05]: And yet it perpetuates whatever, you know, algorithm that I'm living in it perpetuates that it makes deep into my strength.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I talked about this after Charlie Kirk, I killed it's like, bro, at least from the outside and I'm, look, I'm not deep in day to day researching on what happened there.

[SPEAKER_05]: But it certainly appears from the outside that you had a dude.

[SPEAKER_05]: that was kind of normal, like, you know, normal family, normal job, like going to normal college, and in a relatively short period of time, he went from that person who could have had a totally normal, great, [SPEAKER_05]: a positive, productive life to a person that murdered another human being in front of millions of people and to, you know, change the course of his life, his family's life, Charlie Kirk's life, Charlie Kirk's family's destroyed, like, it's crazy that that took place.

[SPEAKER_05]: At least again, and I don't know if you guys have more information about this, but it certainly seems like that guy went from [SPEAKER_05]: a relatively normal human to this twisted personal.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right?

[SPEAKER_05]: Is that kind of what happened in a short period of time?

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's probably the best way to describe without knowing details that they'll probably never share.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like, regardless of your political opinions, he was putting a place by the things that he was ingesting, they made him convinced that this was the only solution to this problem.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he had been radicalized by [SPEAKER_02]: the misinformation or disinformation I think misinformation supposed to be a straight-up lie disinformation's like obscuring obscuring with like kind of like 75% true 20 like they kind of what does it call where they give you what it cops the thing with the tree when you fruit of the poison is true yeah I think that's kind of the whole thing of what they do that [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's a thing cops always say, but basically like you follow a thing, but it's it's like a bad lead and so then you have fruit of the poison tree like all your stuff that comes after it's at the best way to describe it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And um, you know, this person and again, I don't know everything, but just want to gather and all the stuff it just seems like.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's so much stuff that's thrown at you now.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have to have deliberate and intentional mechanisms, mechanisms with they need to be like, I need to stop.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, because that's, the internet is built off a reaction.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's built off a, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you have to be like, [SPEAKER_04]: I, I love freedom.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I actually support this, but if the government came out with legislation tomorrow and they were like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_04]: Every Tuesday we're just going to shut off all social media.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's for 24 hours.

[SPEAKER_02]: It probably wouldn't be a bad thing for society.

[SPEAKER_02]: Touch grass Tuesday sounds good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Touch grass Tuesday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because I used internet now just for goofs with my friends.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like we just I'm I'm trying to bring it back old school like back when it was just silly silly good time stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know not a lot to it, you know, I think that's one cure But I like touchgrass Tuesday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're gonna make it shirt [SPEAKER_05]: I tell people when someone creates a meme or a comment or a post, their goal is to make the readers of that or the viewers of that emotional because if I see something and freaking pisses me off so bad, I freaking retweet it to you guys, I want everyone to watch this post or if it's something that I strongly support.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, I reposted.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the weird thing is, too, is, you know, sometimes I'll see these super passionate freaking posts, you know, about something.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm like, it's weird, imagine your world where when something's, you see something that, like, you don't agree with strongly or whenever in your reactions, I can't believe this happening.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna go break it, tweet and post it like that's what we're doing.

[SPEAKER_05]: No.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, what is that?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's because there's actually like I don't I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think you get what you need in life and if you look for things with intention, they'll come to you like one of the best stories out there right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion, online everyone should check him out is Ethan Bernard.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ethan Bernard.

[SPEAKER_02]: He came to the [SPEAKER_02]: There are a few people in my life that have a figure of vigor and like enthusiasm for working hard and he is doing it That boy is about it about it and I love him like that's the stuff where he lost what like 170 pounds Yeah, he lost a backstreet boy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a full-blown pop star And he's still digging in and he was telling he's he's up training in filling out right he's out there It's so great like those are the things that we need more of someone who's like [SPEAKER_02]: I can change this.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not too late.

[SPEAKER_02]: Watch me do it and he's doing it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's, there is so much positive out there.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's a good example.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like Ethan has gone and grown very rapidly like in popularity because he's doing something super positive.

[SPEAKER_05]: But negative shit spreads so much more so much faster.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like I bet if he freaking blew out his knee and was in the hospital, it'd be like, you know, [SPEAKER_05]: I do, it's very good, yeah, you know.

[SPEAKER_05]: Jocco fuel injures freaking Ethan Bernard by pushing him too hard and uncontrolled circumstances.

[SPEAKER_05]: That would be a bigger story than, hey, he reaches his goal.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's going to be great when he reaches his goal and we get done with that training.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, he's, like, our goal.

[SPEAKER_05]: is that he gets good habits.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's the goal.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't care if he loses five pounds or 50 pounds or 150 pounds while he's up in Philly, but hey, can you recognize?

[SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to know what it feels like to not want to do something.

[SPEAKER_05]: Do this something that he doesn't want to do and realize how good that feels because like if you can get that to me That's always you know to this day.

[SPEAKER_05]: I know Bet if I get out of bed.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna feel better later I know if I get my workout and I'm gonna feel better later I know if I do the product work on the project.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm supposed to work on I know that I don't want to do it right now But I know that when I do it I know that I'll feel better and that's like a great fuel to have But it kind of have to learn that and I don't think you learned it.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know early in his life [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think like, I don't know, as a doing content creation as a job for like three years.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I think most political pundits and like people whose whole job is to piss people off is like the lowest tier, easiest level of entry.

[SPEAKER_04]: for being a content creator like the whole vibe you get paid for making people feel something but making people feel Angers the easiest thing in the world to make somebody feel you know, it's much harder to inspire somebody Make them feel happy make out, you know, you're so much positively, yeah, like that's so much more impressive to me than somebody walking away pissed off Like that's so I get [SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm pretty good at like inspiring people, you know, with the stories that I tell, but it would be so much easier.

[SPEAKER_04]: I could piss off so many more people, so much faster.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't need 45 minutes to piss somebody off.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I could do that easy.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, when I was a kid, there was magazines like the national inquire, and it was just gossip, like negative stories about celebrities.

[SPEAKER_05]: Who doesn't love seeing some celebrity with all their money and their plane and all how you like that now now You got rolled up for DUI you miserable piece of shit.

[SPEAKER_05]: I knew like people just there's there's some sick little Twisting part of our ego that just loves to see people that are doing well get crushed or people that aren't doing well get crushed like we just freaking [SPEAKER_05]: It's like you said it's so easy because that's such a natural instinct that we have like, oh, burn it down.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I always tell people it's like so much harder to build something than it is to burn something down and destroy something.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's why it's like, I don't know if I have got to do something, I'll just burn, just set fire to stuff and it's a good way to make things happen.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't think things are going to, it's going to get real weird right now because the AI [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, I was on Twitter the other day and people were posting like little, uh, little clips of me doing stuff.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's not me, but it's me doing stuff.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I sent one to Echoes like, bro, this is just getting pretty good.

[SPEAKER_05]: And Echo immediately sent back that guy's teeth are straight.

[SPEAKER_05]: He has no gap between his front to teeth.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, okay, so AI Jocco does not have a gap between his front to teeth.

[SPEAKER_02]: hurtful but helpful yeah but that out it's gonna be patched by my yeah yeah yeah right it's fixed now um well and it's it's just weird because like it used to be like AI was like really clunky like I there's the video of like Will Smith eating spaghetti in like 20 24 Will Smith eating spaghetti in 2025 and it's just like what is the uncanny valley it's pretty it's pretty close it's pretty close some of it [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's gonna get especially someone like you like you have so much stuff You have so much stuff in the ether like your memes of Jocco working out throwing batteries in the ocean Wow Have you seen this echo, Joel?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's it's just the most like what type of workout would Jocco do?

[SPEAKER_02]: He would carry two car batteries to the beach throw man in the back home in 435 434, excuse me That's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've never heard anybody compare the AI thing to the uncanny valley.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's an interesting [SPEAKER_05]: I thought the A.

I think was the uncanny valley.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's an interest humanism, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: The uncanny valley, or at least what I was under the impression of is the uncanny valley, is like predates AI forever.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's the uncanny valley is like when you can look at something that looks like a human, but you can tell for some reason you don't know why, but I can tell in its eyes or something that's not a person.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like the theory was always like, [SPEAKER_04]: the theory, like the cryptology or whatever theory or the bigfoot people, whatever that's called research and conspiracy.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, that's like cryptos whoology your son, the ship like that, where they study shit that's not real.

[SPEAKER_04]: The theory was like, oh, there must have been some type of predator or something somewhere in human evolution that looked similar to humans and tried to trick them, and that's why humans all have this ability to identify humanoid looking creatures that aren't actually human and aren't friendly.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like, if that were true, and then it comes back to be in handy again to help differentiate AI to where people can again just be able to be like, [SPEAKER_04]: That's not true, I can just sense it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Never anybody compared to that.

[SPEAKER_05]: This shit is getting good though.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not the...

Well, I don't want to contend with the crypto zoo people.

[SPEAKER_00]: But isn't like facial recognition is like one of the most valuable assets that people have.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's like...

[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell your intentions by your face.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a collection of systems.

[SPEAKER_00]: Really what it is?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't really.

[SPEAKER_05]: The facial recognition mean like reading someone's face.

[SPEAKER_05]: Not just like, I know that that's neck, but like, I know that next pest or I know that neck doesn't care.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what your face, your face, [SPEAKER_00]: Don't even talk, your face is telling me a lot, you know, so that ability is so fine-tuned with people.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, and again, it's a collection of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not just, oh, his eyes are squinting there for this.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's the eye-squinting with this.

[SPEAKER_00]: We live in plastic, you know, all this stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the uncanny valley just doesn't get all of those systems in correct order is essentially what it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: The eyes don't squint enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell it's fake, you know, and even as people, we can't really say, like, [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the wrinkle in his cheek there wasn't enough for me to be in.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know that.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's too fine-tuned, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: So the computers, they just send it.

[SPEAKER_00]: The resolution's not high enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the people we can tell, we can't tell what we can tell or we can still tell.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it feels weird, it feels uncanny.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just freaking pissed at the AI people because they freaking just...

[SPEAKER_05]: What they did to my wife, because my wife would like send me a meme or whatever like a video And it would be like oh my gosh, this is amazing.

[SPEAKER_05]: It'd be like a a baby cow that like walks over and like jumps in the security camera footage Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like a baby cow walks over and like you know Licks the face of the little baby who then like jumps on it rides away.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah [SPEAKER_05]: and maybe not that fantastical but my wife promised that me three or four of these videos where she was like oh my god you know like her because she's the sweetest person just like her her benevolent hope and humanity was like back you know and then I'd be like no it's just a lie [SPEAKER_05]: And you just be so freakin' disappointed that, like, that little cow.

[SPEAKER_05]: So with the little bell around, it's neck, with the little kid riding it, like, no, it's not real on them, sorry.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's terrible.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a terrible thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what's gonna become after a while, where the internet, if you see an internet video, it's on, like, by default.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not trustworthy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was gonna be so it's like you got it off in and then these little companies are gonna pop up authenticator companies You know, we're tired of not trusting your videos All right, go to the indicator deck out.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, but that'll be the standard right everything will be fate to circle Right, there's a thing that happens there's a solution there's a thing [SPEAKER_05]: I posted a picture.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was going to post a picture on Instagram with a sunset and in this I took a picture of the sunset and There was like refraction or reflection or something weird where the sun was here and then up above it It was like a little like another sort of artifact.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like an artifact.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I was like all that sucks And it kind of made the picture not look as cool and I did something either with Instagram or with my apple photos to like [SPEAKER_05]: get rid of it and it offered it to me.

[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, you know, hey, do you want to get rid of this thing?

[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I posted it on Instagram and the shit got labeled AI image.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I took it down.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, dude, that's kind of crazy.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, is a little tiny adjustment.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it was like, this image has been altered by AI.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh man, the fitness model industry is going to be pissed.

[SPEAKER_04]: This ass is fatter for AI.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, God, those are, that's going to be crazy, isn't it?

[SPEAKER_05]: Because hey, I was like, you see some of those people do a picture of like, what they really look like.

[SPEAKER_05]: They'll admit, like, hey, this is what I really look like.

[SPEAKER_05]: And this is what I look like in the picture.

[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, as disturbing as that shit got for like girls in the 80s and 90s, when the magazine covers were, you know, on the achievable physiques, other than like just completely starve yourself and be anorexic and bulimic in the whole mind yard, so what a terrible, terrible.

[SPEAKER_05]: And now they're just getting that all day in these, all day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Every day, there's a few creators who like do stuff, they like break down, like fitness people.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which I think is actually good, especially someone who has daughters where the world's being thrown at them to me like do this change this about you You look good, but you could look great.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know like I don't like that stuff and because like I'll see some of these people and like the talk the telltale sign is like you look behind them and like [SPEAKER_02]: that's staircase probably shouldn't do like this all of a sudden it's like zipped pinched in hands and i'm just like come on man do better and but you by their fitness package and you can look like them to just the same thing over and hey i's brought to get more wild [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think touchgrass Tuesday is the best solution.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's definitely moving faster than the government.

[SPEAKER_04]: They are bunch of dinosaurs that don't know what's going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, that's going to be, that could be very problematic.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know, like, them trying to operate in the system of how long it takes for them to make changes and implement things.

[SPEAKER_05]: And this system is moving so rapidly that you just can't behave like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: The system itself doesn't move fast enough to keep up your correct, [SPEAKER_04]: the people in charge of that system on average are what 60 years old.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's all young.

[SPEAKER_04]: We all saw the video of Mark Zuckerberg getting called before Congress and some 70-year-old congressmen being like, can the Facebook app access my Wi-Fi?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's how the internet were like, you don't have the prerequisite knowledge to understand anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you don't know two plus two, we're trying to explain it physics to you.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's impossible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mr.

Zuckerberg, how do ads work?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because they're worst.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're Jocko.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't have this problem.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: The worst you were I just like, I don't know, every I've only been doing the YouTube thing for three years.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's always like, oh, what do you like on meet new people somewhere or something?

[SPEAKER_04]: What do you do for work on a YouTuber?

[SPEAKER_04]: I just said make videos on the internet and you know, I'll be at least on dinner with like doctors or whatever You know like successful people and then I'll say that and it's like 90% of the time their face is just like Give me this look like a loser This guy's this guy's married to a doctor and sits at home and is underwear making video games [SPEAKER_04]: shit online all day and I don't know it's just it's like my pet peeve and it was it was impossible to get a mortgage for a house being a youtuber.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh dude it's so bad try going to the bank and be like I make I make fart jokes on the internet and that's how I make my money they're like we'd rather you had a W2 from McDonald's like a hundred percent so like [SPEAKER_04]: But I was making enough money that if they finally like, it was a local bank and they like brought me into the the loan committee of Just old bank people and they're like, so what do you do?

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like I make videos on the internet and the one lady on the committee did my pet peeve and she's like What is your wife do and I don't know why I let it fly this time, but I just go me [SPEAKER_05]: Do you get the loan?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah, the other two guys on the committee were laughing their ass off.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I guess it is a weird, I guess it is a weird job to have.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I've, because I've always done like a bunch of different things.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like once I retired from the Navy, I was doing a bunch of different things.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I was, my answer like random person asked me.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I retired from the military.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's my answer.

[SPEAKER_05]: You usually kind of usually diffuses the rest of the conversation.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't really, you know, have to go into like, well, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because even he do the business voice.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like, even like, you know, what do you do?

[SPEAKER_05]: Because I don't, because how what do I do, but like, I'm a writer.

[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'm not, like, I'm not going to say that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, what, you know, the worst is like, I'll be like, I make videos on the internet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Or are you an influencer like as much as I hate that time?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's unfortunate Yes, I am.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just tell people I'm Jocco now.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's what I do I'm Jocco and I just exit the conversation Yeah, oh, he said Jocco.

[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, yeah [SPEAKER_05]: Right on.

[SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the second is up to speed.

[SPEAKER_05]: We got the underwhelming podcast.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, the the unsubscribe podcast.

[SPEAKER_05]: We got the fat electric and YouTube channel.

[SPEAKER_05]: That's what we got going on.

[SPEAKER_05]: What do we miss anything?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: And drag you on to the Underwhelming Podcast.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And people can find you.

[SPEAKER_05]: So Zach, veteranwithassign.com, Instagram and Facebook, your ad veteranwithassign, Twitter X, your ad Zachary Bell.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And Nick, thefatelectrition.com.

[SPEAKER_05]: Instagram and YouTube is at the underscore fat underscore electrician.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then, Twitter, extra fat underscore electrician, and your Facebook is the fat electrician official.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, sir.

[SPEAKER_05]: And like I said, your podcast are the fat electrician podcast, underwhelming podcast, and unsubscribed.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Echo, you got any questions?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, back to your peck tier.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what about your second one?

[SPEAKER_04]: How did you do that benching?

[SPEAKER_04]: As first one was bench pressing, and the second one was just a freak accident doing jujitsu, just like caught myself in a roll, but I think like it shouldn't at all, so what I think happened, because it was about a year and a half after the first one, I think the first one got damaged, having like this one blue, so I think this one took some damage with it also, and then I think a year or two of just like I was over compensating everything on my right [SPEAKER_04]: Back in normal so I think this one just got overworked and then it blew eventually to so I think this one's a freak accident Who are you rolling with when it happened?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know Zach who was it go ahead Think it might have been me Worst the worst ten minutes in my life and when he stood up and his arm moved with the extra slack my first thought was how that sucks my second thought was hell Yeah, thank God [SPEAKER_05]: Just pushing fire, just like I had a neck problem and my arm went kind of like not fully limp but like way crazy pain and like way weak and I was I was trained in jujitsu at the time with a dude and I like [SPEAKER_05]: had to just summon the whatever ring of power from this movie.

[SPEAKER_05]: I had to like, I do like summon that ring of power to like submit this dude and like say like hey, thanks man, good role and like walk off the mat and like crawl into a corner hide and like die inside.

[SPEAKER_05]: Just kind of get through the cool thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: Explosion walk away in the mansion cry.

[SPEAKER_05]: I did it and I was like, bro I'm so screwed right now because my arm was just all like shitty and crazy pain Yeah, so you got to just suck it up sometimes like throughout last did you finish the round?

[SPEAKER_04]: Huh, did you finish the round?

[SPEAKER_04]: It was like right at the end It was a no back Oh, I mean, I just I don't know I just kind of like made a deal with myself I never bench more than 225 so I'm gonna sit there and wrap out 225, but [SPEAKER_04]: And you said you were in, like, 375.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's going 375.

[SPEAKER_04]: See, he's on my tour.

[SPEAKER_04]: And even that, what's your best bench?

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a four plates on your side.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's your best one.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's 375.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of in the red zone for injury and how old are you?

[SPEAKER_04]: At the time of 27.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, we're good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a third rap though.

[SPEAKER_04]: And like, I mean, it wasn't even to the point where we were doing like a shaky stop.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, it was literally.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he just went.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're you're not in the red zone in in that way.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So we're not worried about 27 years old third draft.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, you're not worried about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have like an explosive style.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was part of my problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because I like at the time, I was like, okay, well, for, you know, forced times acceleration.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, so I was like, if I can do it faster, I can do more.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's going well.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's going well.

[SPEAKER_00]: So.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, kicknets did the exact same thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: With less weight, kick my friend kick.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was the seal back in the day.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he, yeah, he just entered a contest right bench contest.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, hey, [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that your muscles could just tear off the bone from your own strength.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like your muscles are too strong for your body to hold it on.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I didn't know that was the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, bro, it actually is the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a thing, there's a, it's called a Golgi tendon organ.

[SPEAKER_00]: There are these little things that like attach to your bones and muscle and stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: that basically it's like a little regulator that's like hey there's too much force being generated so we kind of shut down your muscle a little bit sorry but this is like this is like the the thing that gets overbidden when you hear the story is about like the the mom lifted the car off her name exactly right okay oh yeah [SPEAKER_00]: And actually training, especially with their explosive style, but any kind of like strength, like, you know, power training starts to override those.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's sure it improves the structure of your body as well, but at over one of the, the results is overriding those, those goals you can in the audience.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's overwrote those and overwrote them and then finally it's just like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like you get it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't need it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll push through it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Ah, shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was actually an important part Yeah, man felt works far right on any closing thoughts meant any closing thoughts.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's a good time right on Zach anything [SPEAKER_05]: um uh stay your worth fighting for right on yeah good message uh well gentlemen thanks for our thanks for coming out thanks for joining us thanks for sharing lessons on our thanks to sharing some freaking good stories thanks your service to the country and uh thanks for what you're continuing to do right now to make people a little smarter a little bit happier and a little bit better appreciate it right thank you [SPEAKER_05]: And with that, Zach and Nick have left the building, getting after it, bench pressing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, sir.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what do you say?

[SPEAKER_00]: 375 third rep.

[SPEAKER_05]: mm-hmm three seventy five twenty seven years old twenty seven years old in the zone strong yep you know that's it even at even at twenty seven mm-hmm when you're throwing around what what do you think you enter like just yellow zone regardless of regardless of age I mean that's it that means depends on how many reps he was going for but any if anywhere from one to three reps is is kind of yellow zone [SPEAKER_05]: So wait a second, you're saying when you're working with a weight that you can handle for one to three zet reps, you're in the yellow zone.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know what though at that age?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks once again to Nick and Zach for joining us and for sharing their knowledge with America and for your service to America and thanks to all of our service members.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They're staged around the world standing by to protect freedom and our way of life.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And everyone else out there, [SPEAKER_05]: You know, keep an open mind.

[SPEAKER_05]: Keep an open mind when I look at Nick and Zach.

[SPEAKER_05]: I see two guys who walked different paths in life, some places, those paths kind of overlap a little bit, some places they didn't, but they both had an open mind as they looked around and looked at the world and see what they could add to it, see what they could bring to the world.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And that's all I've got for tonight.

[SPEAKER_05]: Until next time, the Zaccoe and Jaco.