Hey, either welcome back to the Skeptic met Physicians.

I'm will and I'm caring, and today we have no idea what we're talking.

About, no idea whatsoever.

Except that we did want to come on and talk to you because we missed you.

First of all, it's been too long.

It has been have we actually have we ever done this before?

I think we might have done it a long time ago, like maybe three years ago.

Oh, there has been too long, it has been way too long.

Or maybe never, We're not sure.

But we did those intros, those little intros ahead of time for a few of the episodes.

Do you can still hear them in a classic episodes now, especially for the radio stations.

But I don't know that we've ever done an entire episode chess, You and I talking about stuff.

We'll see how it goes, right, So what do you want to talk about?

Gosh, there are so many things to talk about.

Do we I don't know where do we want to start?

Do we want to talk about what we believe in?

Do we want to talk about some of the different interviews we had?

Do we want to talk about the changes in our life between when we started and now?

Well?

What if we talk about it, we need to focus on how is it going to help people?

Oh well, I was going to say, I thought of something.

We can maybe talk about some of the things that some of our guests have said that impacted us and how we look at things.

Okay, start, Oh, okay, I'll start, except for I don't remember everyone's names because we didn't know what we were talking about, so I don't have a list.

But you're really good at that.

I will try, so you might know.

I'll try.

I believe this was a woman in England and there is it down broad and I think she might have been blonde, still broad.

Dang it.

Well, she talked to us about how she sees things in life and how we tend to, just because of our pragmatic selves, call little interesting happenings coincidences, but how she calls them miracles.

Right?

Does that ring a bell?

Yes?

Do you know who it was?

No?

English?

And maybe blonde?

Okay, Well what about that spoke to you?

Well, you know, it's interesting because we have so many different things in our life going on, and sometimes we have a good day or we have a bad day, and we just take so much for granted, and we can take these you know, little things that happen as a coincidence or you know, I don't even not even that just like, oh, that just happened.

But if and then you proceed with your regular day.

But when you start to look at these things differently, and instead of thinking, oh, that that was just because I was there at the same time, or that's just an interesting coincidence or ironic, if you start to think about that was a little miracle, it changes your viewpoint, at least for me.

For me, it's changed the way I look at so many things because instead of just being like some sort of scientific happenstance or you know, set of moments that lined up, it becomes more of the universe, God, spirit, whatever giving me these little gifts.

And that has really kind of shaped the way I think about things.

It's made it just just more joyful.

I mean, there's bad coincidences too, and those are not so joyful, but it kind of makes me feel like, Okay, there's a specific reason that this happened.

You know, So I don't want to say bad miracles.

That doesn't sound right right.

Well, I get that, but as someone who looks at things from a pragmatic point of view, and I don't disagree with you, I will put that out there.

But the thought that immediately pops into my mind when you're seeing that is, aren't you just looking and seeing what you want to see?

Where if it's actual, an actual coincidence, it means nothing.

But you're signing an importance to that event that may or may not be warranted.

And if you do add that importance to that event, then would it perhaps do you a disservice by applying that importance to the event that maybe doesn't mean to mean anything.

I don't think so, And maybe I just don't understand exactly the question you're saying.

Am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

Maybe?

No, Maybe it's like pollyanni Ish, It's like you're seeing like we just had a conversation with a couple a few some folks that we talked about spiritual bypassing and could just be a sort of spiritual bypassing.

We're just putting flowers where they don't block.

Okay, well, let's look at that conversation.

They asked you for something that had happened, and you couldn't think of anything like a negative situation and then they said, well, how about a flat tire, And we had had a flat tire like not even a week ago, And that incident helped you process this whole huge array of emotions that I think ultimately is going to be something that's going to help you tremendously.

So the fact that they said flat tire when we had actually had a flat tire which led to all this discovery, I think that's I don't think that's a coincidence.

I agree with you, Like I said, it'd be an adding I agree with you to start with.

I agree with you.

Here's the here's the what might be the difference?

I don't know.

I'm just I'm just playing devil advocate here.

Just we were clear that flat tire, that event that catapulted this whole conversation that we had that did indeed point out some things to me that were completely blind I was blinded to that is going to ultimately, I believe helped me to become a better person and a more spiritual person moving forward and become more abundant and all that kind of stuff.

But that was a teaching moment, right that the universe that they actually said everybody, all of our guides, our spirit GUIDs, our angels, our universe.

Everything was conspiring to make me have a flat tire in that particular point in time, so that it would it could.

I could see a limiting belief that was putting upon myself.

Somehow it seemed totally unrelated until we connected the dots and it wasn't unrelated.

But when it comes to the other side of the coin, where you assign an importance of seeing a particular type of bird, for example, or something like that, that could have just been a coincidence, but to you, it's something that's okay.

So like when Christy passed yes and I was talking to her and I'm like, send me a sign, send me a magnolia.

And I woke up the next morning and the very first thing that popped up on my phone was a picture of a magnolia that my mother took and said, I don't know why, but I just felt the need to send you this.

So you think I'm assigning more to.

That, I'm not sure what I'm thinking.

I'm just I'm just asking the Devil's advocate question.

I could have been there was just a coincidence that you saw at the magnolia I didn't take a point time.

No, I mean I kind of agree with you in an instance, but again to go back to it's right back to the flat tire thing.

But let's say, oh gosh, I wish I could put my finger on something that we've gone through in the past.

Angel numbers.

Okay, Right, we put all this importance on eleven eleven and four forty four and two to two and all these kinds of things, and everywhere, we're seeing them everywhere.

But what if it's just articuling our activating system that's just kind of pointing out or helping us to see these numbers when they're always there anyway, just because we want to see them.

Okay, So first of all, yeah, the numbers are going to be there anyways.

You know, it's always going to be at some point, you know, twice a day eleven eleven or two twenty two or four forty four.

But I think for me, the miracle that we're experiencing when we see those numbers is that when you see those numbers, you instantly think, wow, angel numbers, universe love like joy.

It take, it takes that vibration, that energy up, even if just for a moment, so that to me is that miracle.

It's like, hey, don't forget, don't forget.

Okay, So it's a little different than what I'm talking about now.

I'm talking about an angel actually showing me a number, and as a proof that an angel exists and it's there in there, the angels the are watching over me, you take them more as an opportunity to up your vievibration.

Well a little bit of both, because I mean I didn't say it, and angels not saying hey look at the clock now, and you look at the clock because the angel showed you that clock.

That's right, And then you take that opportunity to think about the light and the love and the joy, and it ups your vibration.

Okay, I get what you're saying.

I do.

I get what you're saying.

It's not really a butt.

It's maybe it's an end because I want to believe that it's an angel saying, hey look at your clock, or hey look at the license plate, or hey look at this over here that pointed out And even I'll go so far as to say that an angel made me go a certain way so I could particularly see this particular number.

Things like that, For reasons to help me to understand they're there and everything's going to be fine and all that kind of stuff.

But what if it's not.

What if it's just some stupid coincidence.

Okay, So what I said at the very beginning, we're talking about things that people have said that have impacted us.

The fact that she called these out and changed the name from coincidence to miracle is what impacted me, and that has helped me to look at Oh it's not just a coincidence.

Oh it's it's an angel number.

Oh it's Christie reaching out to me.

Oh it's the universe saying hey, you got this flat tire.

YadA YadA YadA, you worked too hard.

So my point was that my perspective I have been changed based on what we've been, what we've had a conversation that we've had through our interviews.

Okay, so that impacted you in a way that made you change your perspective.

It did, absolutely.

I mean you have to admit that throughout these last several years, based on all these different interactions we've had in person or on video, whatever, we've changed.

And whether it's because of something someone said or maybe because of something someone didn't said, or maybe we'd agreed, maybe we disagreed, but somehow, little by little we've been changing.

I mean, I know I have, and I know you have, whether or not you see it as much as I do.

Now I see it, there's no question, And I also see how far I yet have to go.

Oh definitely the more I talk to me, I.

Mean, you're not wrong.

No, no, you're not wrong, but damn you don't have to call it out like that.

All right, So then you are very impressive.

I mean, you do all the stuff so much more than I do.

You do, you know, you're much more regimented on your meditation.

You read the books.

We laugh because we say I show up, and that's not untrue.

But sometimes you know, different people, different souls, are different levels of their development, and you, being an angel on this earth, does not need to go into the books as often as someone who is so severely stuck in their three D ego like me.

I have to kind of foreseed myself these kinds of things.

So that's what I'm thinking.

Okay, So then if someone who's listening right now is hearing this conversation and going, okay, what does this have to do with me at all.

How can this How can someone who's listening take this information that impacted you the way that it did and move it forward in their lives to make them a better spiritual being.

Well, that's an impossible question because different things are going to resonate with different people in different ways.

So some well might hear this and a lot that's a bunch of crap, delete the podcast.

Hopefully not.

But you know, we talk so much about looking at the bright side or having gratitude and all of these things making your life better and fuller and deeper and making you kinder and making you more open and more receptive.

And you have to start somewhere, and I think this for me is a good way to start because it doesn't cost anything, it doesn't take any extra work, it doesn't involve anybody else.

Well, let's dive a little bit into that.

For you, when that happened, can you think of a specific instance.

Maybe I'm putting you on a spot and I understand, so no worries if not, But could you think of a specific instance where your mindset was not in a great place and the act of seeing this little miracle change your mindset and then good things sort of happening from that point.

Very specific.

That's very specific, and I'm not prepared.

I know I put you on the spot.

I know, I can't think of a specific instant.

I think it's a culmination of many different instances.

I think that the more you see these miracles, the more you see the beauty, the more you can feel enjoyment more because it's so much more fun to think it was a miracle and not to think, well, this just happened.

And the more you enjoy that, the more you're going to enjoy everything, right from the feeling of the breeze on your skin to love, to smells, to taste, because you look at it more through the eyes of beauty and love, enjoy and acceptance unless and just the pragmatic get things done.

This is in the way that's I'm doing this and this happened, et cetera.

It's so true, and it's so but so easy to forget of these things like what I put you on the spot just now, and you couldn't come up with a specific example.

We take these things actually for granted sometimes now we do.

But it's like anything.

It's just like exercise, you know, It's like one says you have to do the work.

But this is a good work.

This is a fun work.

It is actually and you know what, I would go a little bit further and give everyone who's listening some homework if you want it.

Not this is not class.

But I think I tried doing this a while back, and then I fell out of it unfortunately for some reason.

I think things happened and I got work.

Stuff happened, and I got poopy pants.

But I think I want to go back and start doing it again.

There was a point when I was first reading Michael Michael Singer's first book, The Surrender Experiment, the first book that I read.

That book blew my mind because there were so many parallels there between him and I when he was first starting his his journey.

But that was a time when I started carrying around a miracle book.

Remember the little notebook that I had, and I would write down when one of the little miracles would happen.

And I wrote a grand total of two, and then I lost touch.

Do you remember what those two were?

No?

Do you no?

You wrote a miracle book?

No I don't.

I don't remember them because I never looked at them again.

But I think what I'm going to try to do is I'm gonna go back now and carry rather.

You know, it's a little little notepad, little little notebook fit in your back pocket, and every time that little coincidence, a little miracle happens, just write it down.

At the end of the day, I'm going to read all the coincidences, all the miracles I saw that day, and then of the course of days and weeks and months, it might then all culminate and show you just what a magical life we actually live.

I think that is a great idea, and I'm excited for you to do that.

And I do want to say for people that are listening, because sometimes you're like I got to write a journal or you know, like you said, I'm going to give you homework, just don't even start from even before that, Like, don't even write anything down.

Don't feel like you have to do something, because if you feel like you have to do it, then it becomes work.

Right.

Just think about you get to look at something a different way, you don't have to write it down.

You know, after you start seeing it, I think you'd be like, oh my god, I got to write these down.

This is incredible and you'll be motivated to do that.

But I think at very first, if you're kind of struggling and you're kind of in that negative mindset, it's going to be like one more thing to do.

So just what I would say is just just just look at these little what you normally would call coincidences in your life and and try to really think about, well, that's interesting, why did that happen, How could that, why could that have happened?

What could that mean for me?

Why is that special?

Or not?

Just accept that was a cool thing, and just let that's true that I was looking in our book case here to see if if I had a whole notebook, but because I surrendered it, I told you, yeah, but I remember the miracles that I wrote down were like whoa, I need to write this down kind of thing.

And it doesn't have to start that way.

It could be something as simple as I would love to see a red robin toon way.

I remember now one Oh, okay, so I was working for a healthcare system producing like a docu series for them, and you remember how bad that was.

I mean I would call you and be like, Okay, come to the door with shots.

I'm about to pull up in ten minutes.

And we're not talking of firearms.

No, no, I mean they even brought me to Tears a couple of times.

And so I was driving and I have to drive so far, and I was driving out to one of the super Far locations and I had to drive like through the woods.

It was like, I think I drove over one hundred and fifty miles that day.

And so because we had multiple locations, so I go to the first one and I'm thinking about this whole you know, manifesting and this was, you know, several years ago.

We're really starting to kind of try to get into this, and I'm like, and it was a blue jay.

You're talking about birds, and I'm like, I want to see a blue jay.

And it was wintertime though, so that was kind of like the test.

You gonna show me a blue jay, you know.

So I get to work and I forget about it because I had the trauma of dealing with this particular shoot.

So we do the shoot and then you know, I'm driving home and I'm totally forgetting about this is like eight nine hours later, and I pull up to the house and I go to my phone to check something out and I had looked, you know, like at some signs because you never know how it's going to show up, and I'm looking for birds, you know whatever.

So I had given up on it.

So I get home and I look on my phone too, I don't know, like I got a text message or something, and I click on it and up pops this memory and it's a picture of a blue jay.

Wow.

And I was just like, holy cow.

That was like, okay, okay, there's something to this, right, you know.

That's that was so random and is so and by then I had forgotten about it.

So that was an example of yours.

Yes, it's not one of the ones I wrote R right.

No, no, no, no, that's what I was saying when you had asked me specifically for an example.

That kind of made me turn around.

Yeah, that's a great example because that was.

A random one.

You know.

It's like, there's a blue Jays.

And it actually reminds me of doctor Maria Rothenberger, who does the show The Reluctant Medium.

There's also a New Reality TV content partner.

Her show is on New Reality, but she also has a podcast called The Reluctant Medium that's not on New Reality.

You can listen to it on any podcast platform, and you listen to your podcast on and I said, yes, you do, because she's really remarkable.

It's an incredible show.

But she does a series of solo shows.

Sometimes she'll do interviews.

I was listening to her show one time where was a stretch of time where she was doing a bunch of solo episodes, which I really enjoyed.

And she's a therapist and she helps women with fertility issues, and she sees spirit babies.

She speaks to spirit babies.

That's the crux of that.

But in this particular episode, she was talking about manifestation or not manifestation, noticing things, letting the universe show you that this stuff is actually very legit.

She said, well, she challenged us to do the same thing.

But what she did was she the thought of a car that she wanted to see.

In the morning.

She woke up said, Okay, today, I want to see fifty seven Chevy Impala or whatever it is, right, and something really super outrageous.

Yeah, and go out there and let it go, but pay attention.

And before long, couple of hours, cresting over a hill, here came that whatever car it was, the fifty seven Chevy and Pall or whatever it is, which.

Is super rare, unexpected.

Yeah, it's like it's talk about random.

Right, So she did it again, and she said, Okay, I'm gonna do it again.

This was all based on a book that she read.

She didn't get to pick something else, and lo and behold there was again.

Now she challenged us as listeners, and I now challenge you, as our listener, to do the same thing in the morning or whatever.

Right now, think of a random thing.

I happened to have thought of a bright blue Tesla.

At the time, there weren't a lot of Tesslas around.

There's a total of testos now, but yeah, back then, there weren't a lot of them, and there weren't a lot of colors.

It was white and black and you know, but but I want to see a bright blue tesla.

And it's not that I want to see is I'm going to see?

Right, It's the act of knowing you're gonna you know it, You feel the emotions of what you would feel like if you saw it, and then let it go.

And I started noticing, and I looked, and I start noticing, and I start nursing.

I keep noticing, and I forget to notice that, I start nosing again, I forget.

I completely forgot about it.

And then the next thing I know, I look over and sitting next to me at the traffic light is a bright blue Tesla.

And that was like, come on.

Yeah, you have to like not look for it.

Yes, you have to not look for it, but pay attention.

Yes, because that bright blue tesla was sitting at the traffic light next to me for a long time before I actually noticed it.

Yeah, right, And it's like the universe going, hello, I'm here, but I almost I almost missed it.

You know, what I just thought about my blue jay is that this is kind of like the double whammy, because not only was the universe showing me a blue jay, but they were showing me a picture that I took of the blue jay.

So it was like my own creation of a blue jay that was manifested by me or something.

I don't right, Right, that's interesting.

Well, he got a lot going on, a lot more to that to do with it than anything else, I think.

But okay, so our challenge, if we choose to accept it, is to carry around a little notebook, just a little note pattern and we start jotting down the miracles that we notice.

If you don't want to job, like to Karen's point, don't want to jot it down, and just the act of noticing it will be enough.

But notice it.

See, for me, the notebook is good because then I remember, Yeah, because I will notice a thousand things.

And the next time I know something, I'm going like it was the first time all over again.

It doesn't build up on me like I would if I wrote it down.

See, I am.

I like to write, but I write when I feel like I have to write, like I mean that.

So if I start, if I see one, then I'm gonna be like, I better write it down.

But if I start singing all the time, I'm like, oh, I got to write this down.

No one's going to believe this or it doesn't mind myself.

But then you got to go back and try to remember what start from that.

From that point, yeah, but then you're missing.

Everyone thinks we think the same.

We're totally choose your poison, that's not poison, choose you on a ventuation pois Yeah, whichever way works for you.

Right, Yeah, I like to call it choose your own adventure door.

Yes, I like that too, but I want you to tell me an example of something that one of our interviews has said that's affected you now now putting you on spot, that's not fair.

I'm way better at being putting people on the spot than it is being put on the spot.

It's so many It is interesting because what comes to mind is that story of the frog in the boiling pot of water, where if you bring the pot to a boil and then you drop the frog, and it's going to jump out quickly, right because it you can tell it's about to be boiled to death.

However, you put the frog in first and then slowly bring up the heat the frog before they realize it will be boiled to death because they didn't realize that heat was going up.

And I'm nut it's a pretty morbid way of explaining this, but it's pretty appropriate in the fact that for me it's not and you alluded to it earlier in the conversation.

It's a build up of all the different conversations that we've had that have made me go whoa and grown into who I am today.

Right, And I'm not asking specifically for like one that's changed your whole world, but like, for example, maybe the reverse speech, you know you talk about that and the subconscious communication, or just something that's impacted you.

You're like, holy cow, okay, you know you know something that really impacted impacted me was a story that Jonathan Robinson told us.

Oh, I know it.

Wanda has a great story.

See yes, the world's best mantra.

Yes, yes, yes, that was So did you tell a story or yeah, tell us?

Okay, So Jonathan Robinson, who was diving into this stuff trying to find the best way to this a weakened spiritually as quickly as possible.

And if you haven't listened to the episode, it's really good.

I was just gonna say, if you have time, maybe stop at this point go listen to him tell the story because it's fantastic.

Or if you're in a hurry, you can hear the cliff notes here.

Right, because he's going he tells it way better than I'm going to possibly give it it's due, But anyway, he is was an eternal search for spiritual practices and a friend of his came back from India who had gone to study with the guru for a while, and he was talking to Jonathan and he says, I found the world's best mantra.

And jon says, what I want to I want to find out what the what is it?

What's the world's best mantra?

And the guy said, I can't tell you.

You have to experience it.

Life changing, This is life changing.

But this is a mantra that's going to completely utterly change everything.

And so Jona is like, I must know what this mantra is.

And the guys I known, You've You've got to experience it yourself.

I can't.

It won't have the same impact if I tell you, you have to go and find it for yourself.

You have to talk to the guru.

So before he knew that, Jonathan was booking a flight to India to meet this guru.

And the way he shares a story, if you've ever gone to India, it's not the easiest country.

To get around it.

The flight is a long flight, and when you get there, it's you have to go through all kinds of hoops to finally get to places, to get somewhere, took tooks and people can't understand you a lot of times.

It's just it's like this, it's an effort.

It's like he worked really hard to get to this Ashwam And so he finally gets in front of the Master and he's waiting through all the ceremonies or whatever, and then finally has a chance to go and approach the Master and he goes, Master, you'll never know the lengths to which I went through to get to you, because I must know the world's best mantra, the world's most powerful mantra.

And the Guru turns him and goes, oh, yes, yes, that is a very special mantra.

It can only be life altering.

And John says great, great, well what is it?

And he's hanging on every word and the Guru goes the mantra is thank you.

Jonathan was like, that's it, thank you, that's it.

Thank you is the mantra that changes everybody.

Oh you kid me.

I went through five different airline changes, I took fifteen different took tooks to get here.

I can't remember.

We walked on the mountain for thank you.

Well, thanks for nothing, and the Guru says no, thank you, and anything walked away all frustrated.

And as he was walking out into the world, he got back into a taxi to go back to the airport, or at the hotel because he was so frustrated, and.

So his wife was home.

Oh yeah, and I guess the airport and it's like a thousand degrees outside.

He gets in, he's like, really, you know, it's an air conditioned and he's like, all right, and I traveled all the way out here, I may as well start using this.

So he was like, thank you for letting me be in an air conditioned room.

And then he reached out to his wife on zoom on his laptop or something and was like, thank you for letting me be able to communicate with my wife instantaneously even though across the world.

And little by little he started incorporating this and being grateful for everything, and it changed his life.

Right, So I to have taken that mantra as my own in a certain extent, and I try to be as grateful as I can for as many things as I can.

Whenever we sit before we have dinner, we say grace.

Although we're not religious, would you say thank you?

And I, whenever it's my turn, I do say thank you for the air rebreath, for the food that were you provide for us, thank you for the love that we share.

Thank you for the house that we live in.

It just helps you delive a little bit better.

I agree.

So miracles and gratitude.

And then gratitude will beget miracles.

Ah, and vice versa and vice versa.

All right, anything.

Else, I think that's good.

All right, Oh, we appreciate you listening to this meandering conversation.

We don't know whether we're gonna we're gonna be doing more of these or not.

But if you enjoyed it, let us let us know.

Yeah, because you know we're not experts on anything.

You can just we're just too regular Well I would say too regular Joe's but I guess like a Joe and a Jane muddling our way through, learning a little bit from all of these conversations.

And if you're like us and you want to hear our thoughts on it, let us know because we're happy to share.

Yeah, if you have a particular topic, right, that's what you mean, a particular pocket, don't talk.

But we'd love to hear your thoughts about this one, because based on the response, we'll do more of these or we won't.

And I do know we've got these two more of these in us because there's two topics I want to discuss with you, but I guess that's it for now.

I guess, so thanks so much for tuning in.

We'll see you on the next episode of The Skeptic and Physicians.

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