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My parents didn't take us to fast food places when I was little.

They thought they were an abomination.

In any case, we didn't have a McDonald's back then in our little town, so it wasn't like I was confronted by the fact of French fries.

They were some dimly understood concept, something that people out there somewhere did to a potato that somehow implicated the French.

Then one day, after track practice, thirteen years old, I went to my first McDonald's.

Have you ever seen a puppy encounter snow for the first time.

He burrows his nose into it with this look of perplexity and sheer delight because he can't understand where this white thing came from that is both fluffy and cold.

It was like that for me, a slice of potato, crispy on the outside, yet somehow pillowy soft on the inside.

Right then and there, I gave my heart to McDonald's, and then McDonald's broke it.

My name is Malcolm Gladwell.

You're listening to Revisionist History, my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood.

This week, I'm on a mission to understand why McDonald's betrayed me so many years ago.

Our story begins in a nondescript office park in Foster City, California, just south of San Francisco, a place called Matson, maybe the top food research and development house in the country, the Los Salamos of food science.

I came here to walk back the cat, as they say in the intelligence business, to figure out what happened on July twenty third, nineteen ninety, the day McDonald's changed the recipe of their fries forever and turned in their backs on everything I once held.

Dear, I'll go get.

Another likes mort and then I'm just gonna take the temperature down to.

The I said to Mattson, make me some fries the old way.

Let's do a taste test modern fries versus original McDonald's fries.

So we did.

We ate them, sat there in the Matson conference room in a blissful food comma.

These are I'm going back to the Those are King fries.

Then we thought, let's call in some people too young to who ever tasted the old kind, just to make sure we weren't all dreaming that this wasn't some middle aged fantasy about how everything was better in the good old days.

Do we have a millennial grab right away?

Maybe quick before the fries get cold.

We had the batches of fries in identical baskets, identified only by number six thirty seven, one, twenty eight, and seventy five.

We lined up the millennials.

Start here, go down the line.

I want to know which one you.

Like the best millennial French for Asbians.

Yeah, this is the millennial French fried eating contest.

We have three Just for the record, we have three millennials here, that's.

Correct, twenty three, twenty eight, twenty five years of age.

The food scientists of the future.

They sample all three options.

They all reach the same conclusion.

I like this one.

You like the first seven?

Yeah?

Yeah, okay, who's next?

I also choose six thirty seven.

I think I like I'm kind of torn between one, twenty eight and sixty three seven, but I think I like a six three seven slightly.

Better, six thirty seven, six thirty seven.

I've had the great opportunity to make a lot of money and do something with it.

To help people.

There was a time in America a generation ago when a man called Phil Sokoloff was a household name.

My dad was just very intense, and he was a lovely person, but very intense.

That's Karen Javic, Phil Sokoloff's daughter.

It's hard to explain it.

You have to experience it.

I mean the man that bought his business from him.

Okay, my dad would talk a lot.

This guy would sit with my dad for hours.

And this was an accountant.

He knew so many people around Oman, and he came to me, he said, your father is the most intense person I have ever met.

Sokoloff started the business making cornerbad which is the metal bracing that you use when you installed drywall.

He noticed that it was really expensive, decided he could make it cheaper.

And he just found this niche that you know, just happened to make a lot of money.

And he was very driven and he knew he'd make a lot of money.

But once he made his money, and then he sort of got tired of the business and he knew he wanted to try and do something to help people.

Then Sokoloff had a heart attack.

He was forty three years.

Old and he was in good shape.

The only thing he did wrong was he didn't eat right and he had a high cholesterol.

When you say he didn't eat well.

Were what was he like.

Before the Yeah he was then.

He always said he ate too much chili, he ate too much meat, too many fats, and high cholesterol.

Though also is genetic, he had heart problems in his family.

He was really shaken by this, by this heart attack.

Yeah, oh, this totally devastated him.

Never ever expected this to happen.

And when you're forty three, you know, you think you're gonna live forever.

And this really changed his life totally.

Sokolov's doctors tell him his diet and his high cholesterol levels put him at risk for more heart attacks, so he decides to do something about it, not just for himself, but for everyone.

He starts a crusade.

He wants to save America from saturated fat, the alleged culprit in high cholesterol.

Skoaloff pays to have cholesterol tests for thousands of Nebraskans.

He goes to Capitol Hill and does the same thing for ten thousand people who work there, including seventy senators.

He starts campaigns to get low fat milk in school lunches.

He buys full page ads in the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times and The Washington Post with huge scary headlines.

One year, he buys a two point five million dollar ad.

During the Super Bowl, he takes over a billboard in Times Square to say, cut fat, intake and live longer.

This campaign that he was involved in, he's spent an enormous amount of his own money on this.

Yeah, he really did.

I'm not sure how much.

Whether it was fourteen fifteen million, I can't remember.

Wow.

Yeah, which thirty years ago is a lot of money, A lot of.

Money it still is.

I remember my aunt telling me he's spending all of your inheritance.

Sokoloff was un Phil Donahue, the Nightly News.

For most of us, cholesterol was a private affair.

But an Omaha man has made it a public crusade, and he is spending a personal fortune going after what he thinks are the fountains of fat in America.

The fountains of fat.

Sokoloff goes to the source.

He finds a way to personally lobby the CEOs of big food companies Kellogg, Ralston, Purina, Pillsbury.

How on earth he got through?

No one seems to know.

When he called up some of these executives at big food companies.

What was he saying to them?

Is he charming them?

Was he browbeating them?

Was he I'm just curious about what kind of conversations were going on.

Yeah, I think it was that he was eventually browbeating them.

I hate to say that.

I mean, I think he was charming at first, but then he got down to business, like, you know, you need to take this product out of your cereal or I'm gonna, you know, come forth with the big ad, you know, And he did it, and he got them to take the product out.

They were, I'm sure very surprised.

They called him, you know, David and Goliath.

He's the little David taking on these big food companies.

He loved that that they said that about him.

Then it happens, and maybe it was inevitable.

Phil Sokoloff goes after McDonald's, the biggest prize of them all.

A full page newspaper ad that ran in many parts of the country yesterday is giving new meaning to the term big mac attack.

They've been cooking their fries in beef tallow animal fat, decides they have to stop.

The ad is headlined the Poisoning of America and it accuses McDonald's of selling burgers and fries that are loaded with fat.

McDonald's denies the charges in the ad, which it calls reckless, misleading, and intended to scare rather than informed.

Sokoloff is all over the media, the lone guy from Omaha up against the mightiest fast food company in history.

It's riveting live TV.

Phil Sokoloff is the man who places the ad.

He's a Nebraska businessman and the president of his group, which he calls the National Heart Savers Association.

Here he is on Good Morning America.

Also with us is Dick Starman, his senior vice president of McDonald's.

Gentlemen, good morning to both of you, Maritans.

And we're really on the same site.

We just go about it.

They're on the same site.

And exactly, I don't want people to eat your hamburgers, they're too fat, but we want people to eat lean, browerboth.

I'm concerned about diet and healthy food.

America is watching and mighty McDonald's and the giant killer from Omaha are going at it tooth and nail.

Sokoloff shouts, that's not true.

Your fries are cooked in at on the fat the McDonald's guy gets flustered, tries to say something.

Sokoloff doesn't let him finish.

Vegetable and they are beef Tello or a mere company.

It's what do we have it now?

Pople send all of our red just took.

Out chicken skin out of their chicken McNugget three weeks ago.

Tell them about the egg mcmuffins.

Tell them about your the beef tallow and your French rice.

Tell and on it goes.

McDonald's calls in lawyers.

They send threatening letters to newspapers warning them not to run any more of Sokoloff's ads, But that just winds up Socoloff even more.

He loves a good fight, so he runs another round of ads, and finally McDonald's surrenders.

July twenty third, nineteen ninety, they quietly announced no more beef Tello.

Just recently, I got in contact with Dick Starman, the McDonald's executive who went toe to toe with Bill Soakoloff.

On Network TV.

I wanted to know what happened inside McDonald's headquarters after Socoloff came at them.

Did they have a picture of him with a bull's eye on it?

How was it that a company making mass produced milkshakes, hamburgers, and deep fried potatoes was somehow sensitive to the charge that they were making unhealthy food that kind of thing.

He didn't want to talk.

Maybe it's still a sore point after all these years.

All we know is McDonald's gave in.

They folded, and once they folded, everyone else did too.

Wendy's announced they were going with one hundred percent corn oil.

Burger King said they would switch to cottonseed in soybean.

I look at my dad as being a powerful man, and it was like, whenever I was with him, was like I knew nothing bad would happened to me.

He was just like kept me safe.

You know.

I think girls tend to think that about their dads anyway, but he was.

He was powerful.

Because this has consequences for all of us, I feel I have to go back to the beginning.

It all starts with a man named Ray Kroc.

He made his living selling the five spindle multi mixer milkshake machine out of Chicago, and in nineteen fifty four he began hearing about a hamburger stand in San Bernardino, California.

This particular restaurant he was told had no fewer than eight of his machines in operation, meaning that it could make forty milkshakes simultaneously.

He couldn't believe that.

He flew from Chicago to Los Angeles and drove to San Bernardino, sixty miles away, and sat in his car and just watched one happy customer.

After another drive up, he goes up to a blonde and a yellow convertible and says, how often do you come here?

And she says anytime I'm in the neighborhood.

He realizes people are addicted.

Next morning, he goes back and sits inside the kitchen, watching every move everyone there makes, the griddle man, the food prepared, everything done with military precision, and suddenly he has this vision of restaurants just like this all around the world.

So he asks the two brothers who owned the place if he could buy their franchise rights.

They said yes.

Their names, of course, Dick and mac McDonald.

Now why is Raycroc so smitten with McDonald's Not because of the burger.

The burger is fine, but it's not any different from burgers anywhere else.

It's because of the fries.

Raycroc can't believe how good.

They are golden brown, crispy on the outside, light and fluffy on the inside.

Let me quote to you from Kroc's autobiography, the crucial passage.

To most people, a french fried potato is a pretty uninspiring object.

It's fodder, something to kill time, chewing between bites of hamburger and swallows of milkshake.

That's your ordinary French fry.

The mc donald's French fry was in an entirely different league.

They lavished attention on it.

I didn't know it then, but one day I would too.

The French fry would become almost sacrisanct to me, its preparation a ritual to be followed religiously.

The McDonald's brothers used top quality eight ounce Idaho Russets peeled soaked in cold water, then deep fried in something Crock would come to call Formula forty seven, which was a special beef tallow mix.

Formula forty seven was what's called a hard fat.

Butter is a hard fat lard, which is pork fat is a hard fat.

Hard fats are saturated fats.

From time immemorial, practically every culture in the world has used hard fats for baking and cooking For good reason.

Hard fats are stable, they don't undergo strange chemical changes when they're heated, and they're thick and creamy, not oily and fluid, which makes a big difference.

You put butter on a slice of bread, it stays nice and thick on the surface.

You put vegetable oil on bread and the next thing you know, your nice, firm slices turned to mush When Nibisco took saturated fat out of the creamy middle of the Oreo cookie.

The R and D was like the Apollo space program.

The greatest mines in food engineering had to sit down and try and figure out how to keep the white part from turning into a slippery, oily mass.

When Ray Kroc said that the French fry was sacrisanc to him, what he meant was that every element of its preparation was chosen for a reason, chosen because it made for the optimal French fry experience.

Kroc has a line in his autobiography where he talks about how the McDonald's brothers taught him never to cook French fries in fat that had been previously used to cook anything else like fried chicken, any restaurant will deny it, he writes, but almost all of them do it.

But Croc he listened, and right from the beginning he put his foot down there would be no cross contamination of the McDonald's cooking oil.

That's someone who truly cares about French fries.

That's the legacy he created under the golden arches.

And then all of a sudden, this random guy from Omaha puts a gun to McDonald's head and says, change or else.

McDonald's challenge was to find a way to replace a hard fat with a liquid fat, and liquid fats are less than ideal in a deep frier.

That's problem number one.

The first replacement oil in McDonald's experiments with is a cottonseed in corn oil blend, but that turns out to be really high in something called trans fat, and it's not long before everyone realizes that trans fats are way, way, way worse few than animal fats.

It's not even close.

So in two thousand and two, McDonald's change the oils again, cutting the trans fat in half.

Six years later they have to switch yet again, this time to get rid of all the trans fat.

Then there's a problem that vegetable oils aren't nearly as stable as hard fats.

All kinds of nasty things happen when you heat them up.

The deep frier suddenly becomes a kind of witches cauldron spewing dangerous elements.

There's a big cloud of electrons there and it can react with the oxygen that might be present in the oil or above the surface.

Gerald McNeil, he's global vice president for fats, oil and Nutrition for Lotus Croklin, a big multinational.

He's part of big cooking oil.

And that will start degrading the oil very rapidly, and certainly the breakdown products have a lot of aldehydes as a byproduct, and aldehydes they attack the proteins and DNA you know in our bodies.

You don't really want to know what the current thinking is on aldehydes, trust me, but in case you do, it's a l D e hydes.

Google that and the words scary.

So while the big companies that are touting probably unsaturated or else and saying they're healthy, well, as soon as you put them in a fryer, it's the last thing you want to eat.

Crazy stories when around the industry, as the fast food chain struggle to figure out how to make these vegetable oil mixes work.

Turns out that after a lot of frying, a kind of paint would form in the fryer.

And what happens is it breaks down in the fryer and then you know, fumes come out and it goes all around the restaurant, let's say in McDonald's, and the surface of the furniture is sticky because this stuff that they call a mist, you know, comes out because of the breakdown products.

The myst gets on everything, including the uniforms of the fry station workers, which creates a nightmare when the overalls have to be laundered.

And they went into the truck, you know, to go off to be cleaned.

Sometimes just by piling the coats on top of each other, those coats would spontaneously combust and go on fire.

Because the breakdown products from the oil were highly flammable.

They would spontaneously combust.

The point is that this is not some trivial matter.

It's not if you order a fried egg in a restaurant, you don't stipulate the medium in which you would like the egg to be cooked.

It doesn't matter that much.

A fried egg is a fried egg.

But think for a moment about what a French fry is.

You start with a potato, and a potato is basically starch and water, maybe eighty percent water.

You plunge the potato into a vat of cooking oil, and the heat of the oil turns the water inside the potato into steam.

That steam is the key to the fry.

First, it makes the heart hard starch of the potato swell and soften, which is why the interior of a fry is so fluffy and light.

At the same time, the steam rising from inside the fry keeps the cooking oil on the surface of the fry instead of seeping into the middle.

That's why a fry is brown and crisp on the outside.

Elizabeth Rosen once whatt a great book called The Primal Cheeseburger, where she calls the French fry the quote near perfect enactment of the enriching of a starch food with oil or fat.

And she's absolutely right.

You can add fat to potatoes without deep frying.

That's called mashed potatoes.

But at the end of the day, mashed potatoes are just mush.

They don't have that crucial contrast between the fluffy and the crispy.

The point is that the oil in which you deep fry the French fry is not incidental to the creation of the French fry.

A French fry is by definition a potato derivative in which the water has has been replaced with fat.

The fat is as much a constituent of the French fry as the potato.

So when you change the oil in a French fry from hard to liquid, fat from saturated to unsaturated, you change the French fry.

In nineteen ninety, McDonald started serving us a different product.

That's why I had to go to the food scientists at Matson.

So we're here in what we call the Matson Food Lab, and we are getting ready to fry some French fries, and so we have a standard.

When you walk into Matson, you think you're at an accounting firm.

There's a lot of beige carpeting and a big bland conference room.

Then you go down the corridor and you see lots of people in white coats.

You turn a corner and start to smell all kinds of strange things.

All of a sudden, you're in a big kitchen with lots of little beakers and weapons, great appliances.

On the day I was there, they were testing some plant based milk prototypes.

They had them all out on the counter in little cups.

I got to sample them.

There was one in particular with a nut flavor that was kind of fantastic.

Carf fried and power and then beef.

Tello Matson agreed to stage a taste test for me.

They would get a batch of frozen fries from the same suppliers that the fast food chains use and they would cook them in vegetable oil, just how they cooked them in a McDonald's.

They would also do a pre nineteen ninety French fry cooked in something as close as they can fined to formula forty seven, so I would get a chance to compare the contemporary French fry with something no McDonald's customer has tasted in a generation.

So we have a standard food service to bay fryer.

Do you know what temperature were frying at, by the way.

Three sixty three fifty And what we've done in advance of you coming here is we filled the bins with oil or tallow that's.

Barb Stucky, co President of Matson.

I met her years ago when Matson was running a contest to create the world's healthiest cookie.

Stucky's short, blonde hair, high energy.

If she were a basketball player, they would say, she's.

Got a motor.

Where did you get your talent?

And how did you choose your talo?

Very good question.

We're going to taste some because we chose it because of the flavor.

We wanted to kind of go back in time with you, So we tried to find the tallo that we thought had the beefiest flavor, which would be probably the closest thing to what McDonald started with.

So I sent Paolo to the local Mexican market right up the street, and we found a tallo there that has a really nice, rich, beefy flavor.

Paolo is Paolo Beltrin, who's going to be one of our fry chefs, along with another Matson specialist, Kathy Westfall.

The fourth person in the room is Justin Shimmick, who runs the company along with Stucky.

We've gone old school with our talo, very old school exactly.

The plan is to use pre frozen Russet Burbank potatoes.

They're a little lower in water content than other potato varieties seventy seven to eighty percent water, which is a defense against sogginess.

Three batches.

One batch fried twice in vegetable oils, just like the fries you get in McDonald's today.

The second batch a mix fried once in vegetable oil, then a second time in beef tallow, and the third batch old school, fried both times in beef tallow.

The fries I tasted at thirteen the ones that blew my mind.

The first fry was three minutes.

The first fire was three minutes.

Yeah, it's hard to describe what the matt Knights are like.

In one sense, they're foodies, although that word suggests a kind of sybaritic, slightly decadent approach to food, smacking their lips and tucking into something fantastic and telling you about that time they had barbecue in Kazakhstan.

I was out of this world.

That's not how the Matt's Night's talk about food.

They're dispassionate, objective, oddly specific.

When Stucky, Shimmick, and I retreated back to the conference room to wait for the French fly samples to be cooked, Stucky started talking about a restaurant should just eatn at.

So I had a tomato soup last night that had rosemary in it, and the rosemary was so high it tasted like a Christmas tree soup.

It was I couldn't eat it, And all I could think was if we were in the lab at the bench top, all of my colleagues would have caught this, that the rosemary is too high.

Wait did you were you?

You?

Who you having to get with you friends?

Did any of them have the tomato soup?

Yes?

I don't think so.

The rosemary was so high that it tasted like a Christmas tree, Like a Christmas tree.

That's so great.

We weren't sitting for more than a few minutes when the door to the conference room opened.

All right, oh wow, look at this.

Here we are.

This is major excitement.

The mats and chefs had the batches in identical metal mesh baskets.

Each was identified only by number seventy five one eight, six thirty seven.

The taste test was blinded.

We had no idea which fry was which.

Okay, I'm gonna start with you so six thirty seven.

Ooh.

As a century professional, we're not supposed to do you have anything away or saying anything I have a hard time doing this.

That's a I'm sorry, that's amazing, You're a bad How is that not great?

The baskets of fries were on the conference table in front of me.

Everyone else had gathered around.

These were people who make and can assume some of the world's most exotic prepared foods for a living.

You'd think they would be jaded, but they weren't.

They were on it and me My head was spinning.

I was in heaven.

It was all I could do to keep the rigorous objectivity necessary for a valid blind taste test?

What are you tasting with?

The first one?

Six thirty seven?

Texture in six thirty seven is shatteringly crisp.

It's amazing, perfect French frie texture.

It's wild yea Chewett's spungey crisp.

But there's no hole in the middle, and it's it's nice and fluffy in the middle.

They're like perfect French fries and they have a lot of flavor.

All right, seventy five?

How do you feel?

It's seventy five?

Number two?

Nobody was interested.

In seventy five they were oily, not crispy, almost sodden.

Plant just mac.

All right.

Next one, the surface is really porous.

There's a lot of oil squirts out when you bite into it.

Three batches of fries prepared according to the same exacting specifications, but two were entirely forgotten and we didn't have to be told what kind they were.

They were what the fast food world has been passing off as a French fry for the past quarter century.

But the third batch, six point thirty seven, to die for.

That was the old school fry, the kind of French fry that doesn't exist anymore.

We have a big win for tallow That's what we're saying.

There's so much going on here.

Also, look at the color difference.

Yeah, those look like fries.

My heart is full of sadness again to think about how many millions and millions and millions of people around the world have never tasted that.

That's when we brought in the millennials as a second opinion, but also as an act of mercy, because they had no idea that this is what a French fry could be like, and it seemed unbearably cruel to deny them that privilege.

When a mound of six point thirty seven was just sitting there on the table.

Can we agree with those are the best fries.

We taste it all afternoon.

I don't have more.

Now do I hate Phil Sokoloff.

I've thought a lot about this in the intervening years, and I've come to realize that I don't hate him for killing Formula forty seven.

He could have bought a yacht and a big house in a gated community in Florida and play golf, and you know how I feel about golf.

Instead, he took on McDonald's in an attempt to make the world a healthier, better place.

My hat is off to him.

It's really Donald's that I blame.

They were custodians of a French fry legacy.

The fry was sacrosanct.

Their own founder said so.

And what did they do.

They rolled over, sold out their own heritage, as if how a French fry tastes were suddenly a secondary consideration.

That's crazy.

The only reason there was an argument about fries in the first place is that millions of people thought they were delicious.

So what do we do?

We made them not delicious.

Wait a minute, I'm not done.

It's worse than that.

The original fries were sold in just one size two point four ounces.

You don't need any more fries than that.

But nowadays, what's the large serving of fries at McDonald's five point nine ounces, more than twice as big as it used to be.

So we've gone from the McDonald's brother's original product, which gave us a modest amount of something sublime, to a large amount of something that tastes like cardboard.

I remember going to McDonalds and having some French fries and going, oh, these don't taste is good because my dad had them changed the way they were made.

But I think that's absolutely incredible that he did that.

You know, he was really he was made to do something huge, and you know he did.

He was amazing.

Yeah, yeah, what did he say?

You said that, You know, he got McDonald's to change the way they made fries and the frieses and taste is good.

What did he say when you said that to him?

Did you ever say that to him?

Yeah?

He just laughed.

He agreed and he laughed.

I mean, he did have a good sense of humor.

I'm not surprised Phil Sokoloff wasn't interested in the sensual aspects of the French fry.

Of course, not he was a zealot, a man shaken by his brush with death.

He nibbled on vegetables and maybe an occasional turkey sandwich.

He saw his job as getting all of us to think about the nutritional consequences of what we put in our mouths, and for that I think we are in his debt.

But McDonald should have stood up and pointed out what is lost when we define food so narrowly, the world's oblique place, when there's no room for pleasure.

You know what one of the Matson millennials said after she had tasted a tallow fry for the first time.

Thank you, thank you for the delicious fries.

Revisionist History is produced by Mia Lobel and Jacob Smith, with Camille Baptista, Stephanie Daniel, and Ciomara Martinez White.

Our editor is Julia Barton.

Fln Williams is our engineer.

Original music by Luis Gara.

Special thanks to Andrew Stelzer, who came with me to Matson, and as always to Andy Bauers and Jacob Weisberg at Panopley.

I'm Malcolm Gladwell.

While I still have you, I want to remind you that Revisionist History has a website where we provide links to books and articles and videos of relevance to the episodes.

Please check it out at revisionisthistory dot com.

For this episode, though, I want to give a special shout out to two people whose work helped me a lot.

One is Gary Taubes, who has been writing really provocatively about what we eat and what it does to us for a very long time.

His most recent book, which I loved, is The Case Against Sugar.

The other is Nina Teischeltz, whose fantastic book The Big Fat Surprise, Why Butter, meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet was of enormous help to me in researching this episode.

Thank you Nina, thank you Gary, and to all those of you listening, I recommend those two authors to you whole heart.

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