How I Met My Money.

The financial psychology podcast, you yourself and your money better.

With Ingo Schröder and Lena Kronenberger.

Finally, we continue.

Here comes part two.

And then you the money and you at a place where you couldn't spend it.

What did you notice at this point in your life and...

Yo.

Maybe things like what makes me happy, makes me satisfied, risk, health.

What did that do at the moment?

I think one of the most beautiful experiences was to this family.

My motivation was to observe was at night to look With lamp and the light of eyes.

That's what fascinates me, what's special about such stay.

was the human level, is, the relationship with the local population.

And actually two examples, was once the family, where the unusual was primarily a Muslim family.

That means for them it is absolutely not of now someone from Australia at the time to to their home with two daughters in my age.

That means ...

That was very special looking that we did What learn from the feeling for life that you wouldn't have learned I think that what unites beyond cultures, religions, this depth...

Yes, beyond money.

get in us.

What unites you?

What unites us?

Yes, we speak the same language as humans.

That we look different, different backgrounds, that we all the same language.

And nice thing was to mention that I had two assistants who were assigned to me at the And there was a big distance and there is a story.

Borneo was a British colony or Malaysia.

Malaysia was a British colony.

So was a distance But over these three years it into such a great friendship that they at some point that they could also fun.

They could really things.

these with her friends.

That was a really nice feeling.

Money can never reach that was extraordinary.

Living the fewest people have the opportunity.

But I think that's something that me.

I'm someone who's a brother, but I thought was the most exciting takeaway from the stay.

What would you say to who says to everything is fine, but honestly, 2.000 3.000 euros when I'm in Germany, and that they me security and part of health.

Without having I to my existence.

What would you say to someone the experience you have I you had but you couldn't so it's not relevant at What can you such a person so that they it in completely different way?

I know if I have good suggestion if someone a lot of I a of money I mean based on your experience, because you have had as much money in the as you wanted.

Nothing would have changed.

I think that sometimes people who are so hopeless find they money, their life stops.

It's not about people being so but they feel their existence is when you certain amount What would you say about the experiences where I money in the Does the existence in the rainforest when I money to spend It's for me.

I don't know, I always like...

Yes, it's a question of what are the life conditions.

I find it hard to tell that it could be different.

Because I know that I many conditions in life that allowed me to live the way I lived.

That's one story.

What I've always paid to and still do, is about consumption.

that I really myself to the important things.

For me it's like this, if I too much, it's for me.

And for many people may be that you have the feeling that you have to certain trend with you or you need a new phone as an example.

And that's quite different I feel very pressured to a lot.

And can be more and more liberating at such a moment.

I think it's always like To be think it's always like that.

Maybe it's not so obvious.

You see it very often when you travel.

Maybe you 20 % of the suitcase.

It's in everyday life.

Until recently I really out of a travel bag.

It's an extreme.

It's not a suggestion that someone should But think it's something you always have in mind.

...

that the less is absolutely more, because you things in completely different way.

who has a few attachments.

For me, that's freedom.

To have And that doesn't to in poverty, but to to what you really I have my bike next to me, my pack raft to be on road.

Those the two highlights for me.

it doesn't like a restricted...

but rather like a life in freedom with many possibilities.

But that's what we always say, but sometimes in the podcast Lena knows it.

We always say, when it to I'm free with and without money.

And think that actually very nicely.

Of course there are certain conditions, as you have described but at end of the day I also free whether I money or not.

And that's what you less consumption.

I limit myself to the important because then I less connection to have obligations.

and I'm freer.

I think another perspective that arises at the moment.

I think that a situation where people, for example, 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 euros and earn 2,000 euros, they I'm actually freer because I less money available.

But can be exactly the other way around, as you describe it.

I've just noticed how Ingo's heart goes when you've done it that And it's not always easy to this financial-psychological...

But I think that you simply, because what you've that you yourself how your life looks.

Because that was in the 20s, now you're in your 40s, Tim.

Describe your today.

You've already described You need your bike.

I see the helmet in your background.

That's very important We'll back in your current bike and train bird project.

We'll But let's focus on your present...

What is still part of your rainforest today?

How do you how do you this minimalist lifestyle into everyday life?

Well, it's not anymore, but it's still just a mattress that's in the living room.

And tables and chairs left.

That means it's still very minimalistic.

I'm in Edmonton.

I'm here at the university.

I to Canada ago as a tropical ecologist.

needed some snow and cold.

I live in a stock.

And that's enough.

And still study the impact that we as humans have on ecosystems, only here.

Especially on the prairie.

Yes, means many things have certainly remained similar.

And I have my last postdoc.

minute.

I my PhD and the next step is what you can do, a so-called postdoc, that means it's a transition point until you a professor.

So there's also research.

And I two pieces in total, two times two years here in Canada.

the last one in May 2023.

And then on the of another project, which is my...

My passion project is, I said, is my pre-revenue entry, or least I my own career path maybe interrupted and since then I really only one job.

So have been last winter semester from January to April as student at the university, taught two subjects.

And I have to cut That's because you still have the money on your account from the scholarship in the Although that's long time ago, You still have money left.

Ingo, you can believe it.

He still a me left, yes?

I can believe it, as I perceive Yes, that was a crazy story where I couldn't and a good scholarship.

I on that, not exclusively.

Not so much, but the money isn't used up.

That's still bit of a backup.

But yes, currently it's really like that.

these four months.

My annual income on average the last...

4 years maybe 20.000 $ 15.000 $ And you live in Canada.

Yeah, definitely more But you just talked about a project.

I'm curious.

What kind project The project is called Wings of Survivor.

Translated as wings of survival.

It's very exciting.

It's a story about migratory birds.

But not a classic natural story.

It's about us together with my partner.

We ⁓ called this project to It's a trilogy.

There are three expeditions.

These expeditions follow the so-called flyways.

Flyways are the corridors that birds for their migration.

The for that...

The trigger moment was that I saw card that these different flyways.

That means there are total eight flyways globally.

So the birds fly in winter?

Yes, exactly.

The most are the cranes and geese, which you hear when they from north to south or move But about 50 % of birds migrate.

Last time I a Pixar or a Disney movie, it was about that too.

Some watch movies, others travel with their bikes.

I saw too.

Exactly, that's the idea.

I saw this map and for me it a moment like crazy.

That's exactly what I have to That means my idea was to different corridors, these different flyways unmotorized.

Whether with the bike, or with the kayak.

And yes, the project has in the last four years.

That means we have a production company.

also here in Edmonton, with an international team.

We also someone from England who has with Planet Earth and David Attenborough BBC.

We have production team who has been with us for four years.

We filmed a lot in different places in this flyway.

We in Alaska and met scientists.

We in Colombia.

Colombia is the the bird-reaching country on earth.

And we've in Patagonia, in Chile.

did an Iron Man race there, filmed it.

To to the idea a bit, that means the first expedition is from Alaska to Patagonia.

So, to the whole North and South America.

And then we together with scientists in Alaska.

The very tiny, GPS, monitors, trackers, install on birds.

So it's part of a project and it's all with Essex approval, everything is blessed, then the birds take no damage.

I don't think you could anything bad They are tracked, so you know exactly where the birds are and then you start with the bike or the kayak.

Exactly, that means we a parallel journey.

The birds come to Alaska in the high north to breed.

That means there are a lot of insects is probably quite unpleasant but for the birds it's a blessing because it's their food source and they have their little ones and we break.

It starts in June next year and we will up with the bike to Alaska, to Canada, Mexico and then 15 countries in Have you ever done Or is this the first time that something this happens?

Last year we through Canada, from Atlantic to Pacific.

That's about 5000 km.

This another size, 30,000 km.

How many people take part We are together, with Leanna and hopefully a support vehicle, a car that supports a film team, some which are not permanently present, but in different places.

And maybe also us, right Tim?

Because it's not just about you that you a little private project, because you want to us, Ingo, me and everyone who listening now and much more to go the way.

What is that?

What title of the project?

Is it nature protection or what is For me, the drive is to rewild To nature and wilderness.

But a way, because I've in science for I how difficult it is to numbers and And that's through the system, but also because many are so abstract.

That means I have to deal scientific work where it example, three billion birds have in North America alone in last 50 years.

70 % of the population worldwide, all animals, all populations worldwide have by 70%.

Every eighth species is by extinction.

So messages that...

which are absolutely serious but which very abstract.

And that means we try to represent birds as the world's best athletes Because they can things that are impossible There are bird species that fly from Alaska to Tasmania to New Zealand, completely across the Pacific, non-stop.

11 days, 15,000, I don't know how far, 12,000 kilometers.

For us, marathon is often a life.

That means we try to tell stories through To closer to nature in a completely different way.

the challenge is always there.

are of many people who themselves to nature conservation.

Who in birds, in nature.

But then are a of people who are currently not And how do you a bridge?

How do you it?

Different...

to bring And I simply believe that stories that contain also most resonance.

Because every species has the strongest connection to its own species.

with a horse that will most in a horse, not for a cow.

is, stories that we with a human focus.

Yes, they are of great interest.

And many people are interested in, I would Bull-like extreme sports stories.

That means we have these extreme sports components, 30,000 kilometers, nine months with the bike, with the pack raft, so on a inflatable kayak on the interests people, ask questions or at least an emotional relationship.

Crazy.

You have the emotional relationship with the birds.

And the birds also emotional relationships, that's what just noticed.

Because I know from my girlfriend from Colombia, I think it's the condor where couples, correct me if I'm Tim, you know, where couples have a very close relationship.

That means, Lena dies, the partner of a condor kills the other.

So there can also be...

Timpo critical, is that Now I worried.

I have admit, I don't exactly about the condor, but there is no question, be it condor, be it penguin, there are many species that mate for life.

Yeah.

Yes, also very human.

I wanted to express Well, not that it's deal, I didn't to say I think that's...

that didn't touch me.

You know, stories always me.

And honestly, to end our episode, we'll a few things.

I find very exciting about you, Tim.

We've lot about it Also about the negative sides, for example the worms that under your skin in the rain, because it's not always so romantic.

But also that you this extreme sport with nature protection, it very early.

You almost decided not to a tropical ecologist, but to study That's something I find And what came out, thought, maybe it this podcast episode, but you so many different countries.

You in Thailand, India, Australia, New Zealand, so many different countries.

And often there was love in the game, that you great people and then somehow them and that came out again and these relationships are so important and only with this current project you also through relationships, by trying to people's to what they find example crazy, sporty things that really very crazy in my ears.

I wanted that a little bit again somehow because I it's very, very nice how these threads come And there Lena, can we ...

the money topic and what Tim said, if I connection to material things, I a much more open access to other human relationships, if I less to material things or to projections on money.

That will tell me that, too.

You analyzed very well.

Tim, so we don't stop but make a really cool call to action.

You want this relationship with other people in order to them aware that this happening.

So many species and we have to look at how humans can on this planet time, but also the animals and plants.

What...

What What's behind the project?

What can we do?

For me it's about understanding As an you a lot of power and lot of possibilities to a change.

For me one of the changes in the last 20 years was that I only plant-based, vegan.

And that's a conclusion from my scientific work, from my life.

In all the experiences I had with animals, so different experiences.

And think the important thing is that you, in English you would say, plant a seed, so to see so that people can at differently in this case and not so...

Yes, that you have this change.

Currently we ourselves as humanity, like...

I don't know if you it in German, but dominators.

We...

We have made the planet or the biosphere ours.

But need a change that we...

It's a fiasco.

Yes, so that we become stewards, that we really of our special role and our responsibility.

So a change from domination to stewardship.

And as I said, think the important thing is that you these seeds, that people in this case maybe just look again, okay, two of are fantastic athletes, but if I look this little bird now, it flies from Alaska.

to Colombia.

And we again because they this GPS tracker.

And we the same bird in Colombia.

Just again that nature is extraordinary and we are really just a piece and we absolutely dependent on it.

These migratory birds connect every part of planet and that makes migratory birds so interesting because it lights Especially nowadays, when there a trend to the borders.

But it's about global challenges.

There are local initiatives, and you have globally.

I think that's the most important And it's about saying, you have to vegan or do this that.

think sometimes playful or with a story to show where you could think or it could different.

I think one big challenge is that you are overloaded with bad news.

When I the daily news in the morning, it's not that nice and it's really a story of hope and resilience and what actually...

what's possible.

And then the second point is that the actual solutions that exist are necessarily communicated.

I think if you were most people would still say that recycling is the biggest thing that I as an that's just not true.

There are so many more where you so much more positive impact without limiting That's always important because a step is not easy.

Yes, I said, the biggest thing you as an individual is plant-based.

And that has a of different reasons.

It's for yourself.

And what's really exciting, I haven't told you before, but we work with many scientists who study That means we have a science team in which...

Exactly, we started as if we Canada.

It was all very structured, over 30 days.

And that means they study our nutrition, our psyche and our physis.

And we fantastic results as vegan athletes.

There are many reasons why a vegan lifestyle is where we Now you it pretty well.

But not everyone should do Only if you really want to.

It would good, but it's not like that now.

Everyone has to the conclusion themselves, but it's just an attempt to it differently.

Because you see more more that there different groups and everything is so stringent and tight and there is no real conversation anymore.

think all these crises we are going through, be environmental, environmental, climate, biodiversity, but also social.

That means how do we each other, with as humans?

Is everything rooted and comes together in this question of empathy and care?

And in principle it is a crisis of stories, as I think.

You just to able different ways and things.

present.

There so many great ones.

Well, I'm too much.

But also a chance, where crises arise, and you can I think you're a great example of how you these things and projects to future.

Tim, you don't too much.

Ingo said right at we could to you I...

I also like to continue to you, to the birds of with I'm many you from the Him-Community would that.

You can support you financially, with money and also without money, just by watching.

We put all these links to your current project Wings of Survival in the show notes.

And we thank you Ingo and I thank you so for being with us, for taking us you on your travels through the rainforest on a bicycle, on the hammock and mat, I would Thank you for being Tim.

Thank you Yeah, vielen, vielen Dank.

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