What's up everybody, welcome back to another episode here on You think it and this next guy I I've known him for a long time and I'm very I'm very interested to have the conversation of the transition from him and my brother coming down on spring break from the University of Virginia down to Miami sleeping on my couch to now being AT ball dad, father, husband.

I I always find those transitions.

I don't know if I ever would have imagined you and I spending the amount of time on T-ball fields 15 years ago when we were running around Miami on spring break.

But without further ado, Chris long dude, appreciate you joining us.

Greg, what up, man?

I think dude, I I think that was more like 2020 years ago.

20 it.

Was it was 20?

Years old.

He was trying to be like, yeah, we're not that old, bro.

I think that was like so bad.

I remember coming down there and then just over running your house.

So I appreciate you, man.

You were great.

You're great host well.

We, we were in school and you and my brother and whoever else you guys could muster up with, we're on like a full week of spring break and going out and like we're trying to, we're doing like morning lifts and you guys are out still.

It was the, the, the month of that, like May, March and April in Miami.

You got every College in America spring break.

So it was a It was a fun but difficult time to actually try to go to school.

Yeah, that was the big leagues for us.

That was definitely a lot different than Charlottesville.

So we were.

We try to be on our best behavior, but you're a great host.

Once again, you're you and the boys.

Honestly, I got a bunch of guys I still talk to from from from your team just because we came down there and bugged y'all.

So Coconut Grove, not a bad spot.

Decent spot we've had, We had a couple fun nights.

But dude, obviously so much, you've accomplished so much Super Bowls, you know, second overall pick, long career in the league.

I mean, you really accomplished it all.

But we're not going to dive into a lot of that today.

Like I want to talk to you as a dad, as a father, this youth sports journey.

Obviously a lot about your upbringing, your father, how he was a colleague of mine at Fox and like might be the nicest man on the planet, at least as a colleague.

We'll talk about what he was like as a sports dad.

But I want to start there.

Like obviously you, your brothers, you've gotten to know Kyle.

Obviously he had a great career in the league as well.

Kind of a dual spark kid growing up, growing up with your dad.

Your dad was probably like one of the first like true superstars NFL player crossover.

Just give us a little idea of what your sports upbringing was like growing up as a kid.

Well, Greg, I mean the three of us myself, Howie, who's the youngest and Kyle who's the the middle, but the big guy and we all had very different kind of athletic careers early.

We all had different, you know, tool tool boxes, so to speak.

Kyle's was just contained a hammer.

He's he's, you know, 6 foot seven, 330 lbs just giant and everything he picked up.

Kyle was just, he's one of those great athletes where like he goes plays badminton.

He's incredible at that.

Like you go play horse.

Like he's got a really natural looking jump shot.

Obviously it was a great baseball player.

Drafted by the White Sox, went to Florida State to play baseball.

How he was a lacrosse player, really skilled athlete.

I was probably the least skilled of the three as far as like just picking up stuff early.

You know, I was like a string bean, kind of like grown into my body kind of thing.

And I wasn't very good at, at, at football, honestly, probably until, yeah, gosh, the end of middle school.

And then, you know, even when I got to to playing varsity, I remember, you know, state championship my freshman year sitting there and, you know, damn near catching a cramp.

I was standing still so long I didn't touch the field.

So it wasn't like a thing where it just took off for me immediately.

And not even in my college career.

It was like, you know, my first two years I was a good player.

I was a four-star recruit, like all that stuff.

But you know, I, I didn't really, it wasn't until probably spring game my, my second year where I realized like, oh, I, I might have a shot.

Like I just had that kind of day.

And I'm sure you remember this when the older guys kind of look at you and they're like, damn, you're going to be pretty good.

Like it's just kind of the way I went about things growing up was open minded, didn't know what sport I was going to play, loved baseball, wanted to play that like in college.

Then I got to start lifting weights and couldn't hit the curveball.

So, you know, I didn't really, it wasn't like a thing where I picked up football at 9-9 years old and just ran with it.

But the one thing my dad tried to do was instilled the value of hard work, which obviously your dad did as well.

You being a coach's son, me being a, you know, NFL player's son.

It's just part of the deal.

And there was a point when I was 13 and and I was a a soft kid, a lazy kid, all that stuff.

At like 11 years old, if you went to my baseball game, I'd be picking daisies in the outfield instead of like paying attention to the batter and talk about full circle moments.

My son let a grounder go through his legs in the playoffs last year.

He's 10 years old.

And I was like, come on, dude.

It happened to me.

But my dad at 13 hired a basketball coach to run me and like, you know, get me in shape.

But more than anything, like it was to break me mentally, I think.

And and that was his thing was like he didn't care about any anything skill wise.

Like we didn't go out in the backyard and work pass rush moves at 12.

We weren't doing 1000 jump shots or, you know, he definitely took me to, you know, fall ball and people through BP and that stuff and that sort of thing.

But for me with my dad, it was all about hard work.

And I'll never forget like working with Dan Dalessandro, who's his basketball coach now around here, He just told him, I think to run me until I cried and, and, and keep running me and, and, and things kind of changed that day.

I, I hate to like boil it down to one day, but like, and I know it's not necessarily a healthy dad strategy now, like, hey, just take your kid to a basketball coach and have him run suicides until he cries.

But that was like dad's way of doing things.

And, and he, if he was going to make sure I was going to be anything, it was going to be a hard worker.

And that, that stuck with me honestly, because I had talent and I was able to make it to the next level.

But like, you know, this from playing me like I was talented, but you know, I wasn't like Julie his Peppers bro.

Like I had to work really hard just like you, you know, to sustain a long pro career.

And that foundation really, really mattered for me.

So that was what it was, man.

It was all about installing hard work and and doing things the right way for my dad growing up.

Well, it's just it's I'm sitting here like having flashbacks and not only playing against you in college, but also then obviously playing against you in the league.

And like you were the guy that going into the game, it was like if you let up for one split second on this guy, he's going to try to bury you in the ground.

He's going to sack, he's going to make the tackle, he's going to make the sack.

Like if you don't match his effort.

So like every time I think of you and yes, you are damn near top overall pick, like you had the talent in the physical, but like I just remember preparing to play you was like, if you don't match his effort on every single place on, it's hard for me to believe it took that.

Like if you always just assumed that that effort, that consistency, that work ethic, you're just like born with.

So to hear that you guys cultivated that, I think it's a great lesson for a lot of the parents out there right there that are like, listen, I don't know if my kid has it right now and they're going through the whole, you know, nature versus nurture.

Can you bore them?

Here you are saying you can think of an exact day where what you, you know, for what a lot of your career was pinned on was just relentless effort, relentless hard work.

The way you, you, you approached your your career.

Like, I think that's pretty encouraging for a lot of families and a lot of parents out there that maybe have a young kid with some talent, but hasn't really shown that level of of grit yet.

Yeah, you know, like, listen, I I think it's a 360 deal and it's how you raise your kid in the household like as well.

I was never certainly a you know, I wasn't like a disrespectful kid or, you know, like just AI was a first born.

I had all those first born qualities, but I wasn't necessarily a 1011 years old like driven in a football sense.

And I certainly wasn't driven to the to the degree that I was five years later.

And and so to your point, like there, there is an opportunity if you see your kids not exhibiting like a plus work habits to like change that.

And for my dad, I think the big the big thing was he didn't just make that a football thing.

You know, I, I'm using that story to illustrate the way that my career took off.

But he was that guy as a dad around the house, you know, like if I was going to, if I had a push broom in my hand, the back deck was going to be, you know, spotless.

If I was mulching, it had to be, you know, the job had to be finished.

If I was mowing the lawn, I was going to be out there as long as it took.

You know, it's just instilling those habits in your kids in every situation.

I think some people think about sports like out if I want my son to be great in a sport or I want him to bust his ass, I got to focus on the sport.

You got to focus on everything.

And that's just kind of what I try to do with my kids now to keep them grounded is kind of raise them like they don't have a safety net.

You know, they definitely have a safety net.

Our kids do, your kids do.

We worked hard to provide that safety net.

My dad worked hard to provide that safety net.

He didn't have that safety net.

You know, he, he grew up, you know, bouncing around different houses and, and not having a, you know, sure thing down the line like we did.

So how do you teach like a kid who has a lot to play or work, like they're not going to be fine if it doesn't work out?

I think that's the battle that especially like us fight like second generation kids.

You know, you and that's why, like I took a lot of pride and, and, and my brother, I know I feel it feels the same way about it like being able to to get to the league.

You do see some second generation kids now in the NFL and I think most of them will tell you like, Hey, there's a lot of pressure on you.

And you know, for a lot of guys like you didn't have to, you know, we, we both play with a lot of guys that didn't have a choice.

And so how can you get your kid to work like he doesn't have a choice even if he does?

I don't think it's just a football thing, but boy, am I happy he did that because I, I did take a lot of pride in playing hard.

And, and that's one of the reasons why when you now, when you see guys like make make decisions on the field with effort and you're like, I, I just can't relate to that.

I just don't understand it as an analyst now.

And you're doing it too.

I'm like, I'm trying to put myself in somebody's shoes to who doesn't finish a play or or where she had loafs in a big situation.

I'm not just talking about one guy.

I know there's something that's popping into our heads the last month, but like, it's just so hard for me to figure because it takes so much effort to get where we went.

No doubt is is how he was he a like then I'll move on to you as a dad.

I I think our listeners would love to know like they see your dad obviously on TV everyday.

They know his career.

He's this big, good looking, strong, big ass guy, like when you guys are driving home at 12 years old and you you loafed and you didn't get back on defense or you struck out and you threw your shit.

Like is how we wearing you out?

Like is he getting on you?

Is it like a soft talk?

Like what?

What approach did he have in as like a sports dad?

Honestly, his approach again, it comes back to the household like where like if I was going to get it, I was going to get it because I was disrespectful to my mom because I was, you know, lazy at home, didn't do something correctly, was rude to AI.

Remember one time I was rude to a girl at school and you know, like I was 11 years old and I was playing for like the Elks.

It was like a Little League team here were actually Chris Miller, my my Little League coach still coaches.

He he called me this fall about my nine year old son and it was like a big deal to be on the Elks and I was an 11 year old and and I was rude to a girl at school and my dad, I came home.

He's like you're, you're, you're suspended from the Elks for like a month or something like that.

It's like in the meat of the season.

So he just didn't, he didn't mess around.

He didn't like when it was time to come down on me, you know, it was punishment.

There was no like threat of punishment.

And then you're, I remember one time I got grounded for like months.

And that's when I there's, there's a lot of adults.

Listen to this podcast.

That's when I found out what Jack Daniels was.

He came, you know, came home and and it was obvious that I had been partaken.

But I was rounded for like 6 months.

Like he just when the hammer came down, the hammer came down.

I remember like getting kicked off a baseball trip and having to ride back 8 hours, me and the three other kids that got in trouble and we're sitting in on the bench and, and they're, you know, my one friend's like, oh man, my dad's going to be so mad when I get home.

Like dude, my dad's 65270 and has a flat top and it's a badass waiting at the door, bro.

Like and it's.

A badass dude.

Yeah, so I was afraid.

I had a healthy fear of my dad, which is which is natural and but it's also useful because like he he kept me straight and and it was honestly when it got to playing football, he just had to be honest in sports and it and it persisted through my pro career.

And I'm sure your dad was like this for you where it's like when you walk out of the tunnel after a game and everybody's kissing your ass, but you didn't play well and you know it because maybe you caught a touchdown or something.

He's going to be the one to say, hey, you could do that thing better.

Or, you know, I thought you could have showed more effort in the third quarter, like where you gassed, you know, like, and he doesn't need to yell.

He doesn't even.

He just needs to be honest.

And that's what I try to do with my kids is just be really honest about everything they're doing.

That means don't withhold praise, like worrying about pumping their ego up and don't worry about, you know, knocking them down and telling them, hey, that wasn't good enough from an effort standpoint.

Are you threw a tantrum?

Like my son plays flag football.

He's six years old and he's I, I swear he's, he's going to be like a boy Christian McCaffrey, dude, I call him little CMC.

He's got like the CMC gene.

I never had that.

Like he's he's he's cutting in in the open field like it's crazy, but naturally he wants the ball.

I heard him the first game, like asking the coach like, hey, what am I getting the ball again?

I walked over in the middle of the game.

I said, you asked that question again.

You're not going to play for this team anymore.

He's six years old.

Some people might think that's harsh, but I was also to flag football game last week where I saw a kid screaming uncontrollably at the refs, at his coaches, at the other team.

The guy was throwing tantrums the whole game.

And I'm like, hey, it wouldn't take much to nip that in the bud, would it?

Course, you just have to be honest with your kid and you can be your kids best friend and be the heavy too.

And that's kind of the way it was with me and my dad.

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It's just a matter of of just being the truth, right?

Just telling the truth.

When you're good will be your biggest cheerleader, but when it's not good enough and you fall short, and mostly it's through effort, it's through your routine.

Like my kids are getting a little bit older now.

I got two 7th grade twins and an eighth grade boy.

You know, so and all the things we talked about is like you don't have to.

If you're not the fastest kid, you're not the fastest kid.

If you're not the biggest kid, you're not the biggest kid.

Like some of those things are outside of your control, but you know, you can control what you do Monday through Friday before your Saturday tournament.

That's right.

You can control what you eat, how you sleep, get your homework done.

Like you can control all the easy stuff.

And then if you don't like the result, we're not going to sit here and say it's OK like you did.

If you didn't put the work in and you didn't get the result, Let's talk about it.

Let's figure out, let's connect the cause and effect.

We're not going to sit here.

I I had this thing when we coached the kids team.

Like not everything's OK if we're not in the part where it's OK, it's OK, everything's not OK.

Like it's not OK.

Now, did you just make a legitimate, you know, the ball went between your legs or you dropped it?

Like that's going to happen Effort you didn't you miss practice the day before the game.

Why do you expect to have a good game?

Like trying to get them to understand that while not everything is in their control, a lot of things are in their control and let's put all of our focus and effort into that.

Because we're so worried about the outcome, We're so worried about how many hits we got or how many catches we had or how many sacks we made.

And I think it's so easy now, especially raising these kids in today's world with highlight reel culture.

Like it's very easy to lose track of the journey.

It's very easy to lose track of teaching the process because everybody coaches to the scoreboard, everybody coaches to the highlight reel.

They coach to the Instagram clip and I think it's a big reason why youth sports has gone off the rails a little bit is because we do ignore everything we've talked about up to this point, everything you just laid out.

I think for a lot of kids around the country, that approach has really been lost.

I would agree with you.

And I got to be honest, like for somebody listening or, you know, who might have a kid that you think could play college football or, or, you know, in the pros or, you know, get a scholarship for some Olympic sport, whatever it is these very things that I'm sure this resonates with you.

But like, it's not just going to, it's not just going to be how your kid plays youth sports.

It's going to be how your kid does everything as an adult and you only get one shot at it.

And, you know, people can change as they get older and people can mature in their 20s.

We've had team mates who, you know, show up and they're super talented, but like they're, they're just, they don't give a whatever.

And, you know, sometimes they change more often than not, though, like people are who they are in their 20s and 30s and that sort of thing.

And so like, if it weren't for the things that the process oriented, the process centering mindset, I don't think I'd have been able to get through eight years in Saint Louis.

You know, and, and I think, you know, what I'm talking about is like, you know, we're one in 15 doing 14-7 and nine, six and 10.

And so like having won in the NFL at the tail end of my career, I look back and I'm like, how'd you do that?

Well, I did it because all I cared about was when somebody turns on the tape, do I give great effort?

Do I control what I can control?

I don't know how many times I heard my dad say is a pro control what you can control.

And it's the same things we're talking about that you're saying to your 1213 year old son or daughter.

And when you are an adult and mom and dad can't help you in the real world, you have to have those things instilled in you so you only get one shot at it.

I'm going to air on the side of my kid being tough mentally and and hard working.

Yeah, we're, we're going to be tough as hell physically, mentally, and you're going to compete your ass off and everything that you do, you're going to have a great attitude.

You're going to treat your teammates good.

Like all that stuff is so teachable.

We can't control if they're 6-7.

We can't control if they run 4-5.

There is good, you know.

What we in touch, we can if we get in touch.

First of all, really well done my younger son.

I can't even say the number six without him yelling 7 at me.

It's off the board.

He's like how?

How?

It's funny.

He's at Bernal, Washington.

I'm like, he's 6-8.

You know, I just lie now.

I just lie.

I just make up things.

But you know what's so funny about it is before this became like a thing, I don't know if I realized how many times we all actually say, I don't know, like 6 or 7.

Like it's such a common free saying.

Like I don't, I don't get it, but I hear it all the time.

But now I find myself like mid sentence being like, yeah, it's like 6.

It's.

9 but just G please don't be.

I don't want to be watching a game.

And by the way, you're the best.

We love watching you call games dude, you're just I've told you this, but you're you're incredible at it.

Appreciate it.

And so is my brother Kyle, by the way.

I think he's gonna be up there with you one day.

I'm hoping.

But but if I catch you doing the six seven thing, I'm going to turn the TV off.

You're not going to catch me.

I don't do gimmicks.

OK.

Do you?

No, you don't.

That's why I left.

I don't do gimmicks.

That was an inadvertent.

All right, I want to dive into you.

Yeah.

Not on the ride home.

Not as a dad, like on the field.

If you're coaching T-ball or flag football or one day with your coaching at the high school.

Like what kind of dad coach?

Are you?

I'm the guy who I'm looking for the lonely kid, the kid that's like a little bit, you know, reserved or whatever and trying to trying to hype him up, trying to joke with him, trying to get, you know, it's a lot like being a leader on team is like, you know, just social glue, keep things together.

I'm the guy in baseball that like, I don't want the lineup, although by the end of the year I was weighing in on that thing.

You don't need to be first base coach.

I'm the dugout starts.

Yeah, I know it starts.

They pull you in.

Everyone says that.

I laugh because everyone says that.

Oh, that's not going to be me.

Yeah, I just all right, OK.

It's addictive, though.

And then like so, so we were my boy, one of my best friends, Kevin, he's like a coach.

His dad's a coach like, you know, like your dad, like South Side Chicago legendary coach.

He coaches football here at my high school.

And he wrote me into coaching our son's baseball team with him.

And, you know, the beginning of the year, I was like, I'm not doing, you know, yadda, yadda, yadda.

But the minute you get in there, it just reminds you that, like, there's nothing better than working with kids for this very reason, because you're like, you can make a real difference.

You can change the trajectory of somebody's life.

And it's not necessarily because you taught him to be a better baseball player.

Like I was a pretty good baseball player, but what do I know?

It's really about like how you handle situations.

So like, you know, for me this year there was a kid, you know, he's 8 years old and he's not giving great effort and he's kind of, he's kind of, you know, huffing and puffing and that sort of thing.

Like, so how do I handle that?

Because like, how would I want somebody to talk to my son about that if they were my if, if they were my son's coach, You know, so it's a delicate thing like, but you know, I had a conversation with a kid very brief and just kind of said, hey, like, you're better than that.

Like you're definitely better than that.

Not coming out of the way of, Hey, that's not good enough.

But like, hey, set your standard higher because you are great.

You can be great.

Like this isn't this isn't you do I mean that I don't know, like I just met the kid.

He's 8 years old.

But the point is, is like bizarre.

Chances are you're better than that.

And so, you know, like I, I, I enjoy connecting with kids that are struggling, you know, and trying to lift them up.

I enjoy being the guy that like can calmly and in a socially intelligent way be very honest with the kid about effort or attitude.

And I enjoy being the guy that runs with the kids when we make them run the hill at the end of practice just trying to beat them up the hill, you know, hyping kids up when they make big plays.

Like what I see in kids is you see yourself.

You see, you know, the youngest, most vulnerable version of you that needed a pat on the shoulder and needed to pick me up or maybe needed to be told, hey, that's not good enough.

But for whatever reason, somebody at home is not doing that.

And and it's not me thinking, hell, I know more than the dad or do.

It's just we're athletes.

So I have an unfair advantage when it comes to that.

And whether it's baseball or soccer or like whatever, it's a mindset thing.

And so really when you're coaching youth sports, you are teaching a mindset, you know, you're teaching a life skill like how my kid swings a baseball bat.

There's still time for that, you know, luckily, but it's it's a deal where, you know, I can teach my kid a lot about how to use this and and I can teach the other kids that too.

So I just love being the dugout guy, man.

But when it comes to coaching football, I love coaching young D lineman.

I love coaching high school HD lineman and college D lineman because I have such respect for what it takes to, to, to be great at that level and, and at that position.

And, and, and when I'm with those guys, it makes me feel like I'm still playing in a sense, you know what I'm saying?

Like it makes you feel like you're still in the building.

So I love doing that.

I mix it up.

Certainly we both have like primary careers that we're busy with, but anytime I get a chance to do something on the side, I really love coaching.

I, I always joke like my full time job is youth sports dad and then my like part time job is calling games for Fox.

Like that's always like that's what it feels like.

It's what it feels like most of the time, you know, you know, it's funny.

So this this past year, it is the last couple years we coached the kids football team and now they're getting older.

So this past year, my oldest son's in 8th grade, we did their middle school team.

And I would, when the kids were young, especially when I was still playing, like we would always run after practice and I'd run with them.

And, you know, you feel like King Kong because you're out in front of the hill or whatever you're doing.

But now, like, I've obviously dropped off a good amount and these kids are getting big.

They're 14 years old, 15 years old.

Some of these kids are like men, you know?

And we're running after practice and I'm no longer even close to the front of the pack.

And two of my assistant coaches are Jonathan Stewart and Luke Kuechly.

They're still, they're still like rocked up, you know, They're Stu.

Stu could lose 50% of his burst and he'd still beat everyone by a mile.

That's crazy.

Luke's like a damn Navy SEAL.

That dude is ripped up.

And so like, and not only am I not beating the kids, I'm not even close to competing with my assistant coaches.

So it's a it's a very humbling experience nowadays.

Don't do your Achilles bro.

Stop, stop, stop, stop.

It's my greatest fear in my life.

Me too.

That's why I like, I'll create myself playing too hard in the backyard and I'll be like, hold on, bro, hold on.

You I ever I ever, I'm not even going to say the word, but if I ever did that you can just Take Me Out back It's over.

I'm done.

I I don't have time right now for a year long.

I don't have time for a year long rehab.

I've been I've been on enough scooters in my day, But but dude, it's so funny you say like working with the kids as they get older, it really changes, you know, like I, I we've seen it now.

I haven't gotten to the high school age yet.

We do a little stuff with the high school kids, you know, here and there because our our schools K through 12.

So it kind of blends together.

But we're we're almost there to the high school.

But like thinking back to just when they were super little, all the things you're talking about that you really it's not even about the sport, right?

Like the sport is the easy part, teaching a kid how to make a layup, teaching a kid how to dribble with his left hand, or that's like the easy part of it all.

But as you get older and it gets more and more competitive, it gets more and more real.

This past year doing 7th and 8th grade, we have some 8th graders that are like real football players, like we can teach.

You know, I, I only coached the O line in the D line.

So I'm with you.

Like there's nothing better than that group of kids, right?

The pride they take.

And dude, you're practicing setting edges and we're practicing get off and we're striking the sled and like you take a step back and you're like, all right, we're, we're playing real football now.

Like this, this feels different.

These kids are like men playing real ball.

There is nothing better, man.

Wait till when your kids get older, like wait till you're doing it with your boys at an old enough age that you can play real sports.

It's.

Dude, there is nothing, that's the time where it's going to get interesting for me.

And I don't know how you feel about this, but like you're obviously, you know, a legend and everything and, and, and your kids walk around and they're Greg Olsen's son.

And you know, I, I, I went through that with my dad.

My kids are going to go through in this town with me and that sort of thing.

And, you know, I, I kind of want to be cognizant of like my dad was good about this where he kind of coached the team, but then like on game day, he'd be back in the shadows because he'd be a little bit of a distraction maybe, or that sort of thing.

And there's a lot of pressure on our kids, man.

You know, so I'm always cognizant of like, hey, when it comes time for that, you're going to have to teach your kids.

And I'm going to have to teach my kids all the skills we're talking about.

But then another skill on top of that, which is dealing with the pressure and the expectations of being your son or my son.

So that's a very unique responsibility that we have.

We've had a lot of honest conversations exactly like that, and more so as they've gotten older.

Like when they were little, I don't even think they realized what was going on.

But I'm very honest with them.

I'm like, listen, man, in today's world, whether we like it or not, we can debate.

You know, the reality is there's a lot of people that are showing up to games that want you to fail.

They, they don't want to see you succeed.

And you just need to, you need to lean into it.

You can't run away from it.

It can't paralyze you.

It can't stress you out.

Like lean into it, man, because guess what?

It's not going anywhere.

I said there are very few people in this world that genuinely want to see you succeed.

And your mom and dad are at the top of the list.

And hopefully your coaches and hopefully as you play for more and more people like those people all have your best interests at heart.

But the reality is there might be people on your own team, there might be people in your own school, certainly on rival schools and rival teams around the area.

Like that's just the way of the world, man.

And you either run from it or you run towards it.

And we really have a lot of conversations at our house about we are not going to shy away from it.

If there's a target on your back, my back.

People don't like the way I coach.

People don't like the way we play.

That's OK.

We don't have to be for everybody.

But I'll tell you what, man, we are not going to let it change how you compete, how you work, whatever talent level you end up having.

Who cares when they watch you play?

They should never walk out of the gym, the field and say that to that dude works his ass off and that guy plays his ass off.

They say those two things.

That's it.

You should be motivated to prove just that, which is like, hey, I don't know what kind of player you're going to become, but nobody's going to walk out of there and be like, man, that guy, that guy's soft or that guy.

Or he's only playing because his dad's part of the team.

He's only.

Or he doesn't care.

Or he's not hungry, you know, because that's the truth is like, and we touched on this earlier, there's a lot of hungry people playing football, man, like that make it to the top.

And so you, I mean, that's the one thing that I don't think people understand is the hunger inside an NFL building to succeed.

The the pure willpower that so many guys that we play with, they they didn't have choices.

And so you know that, yeah, we're going to raise kids that luckily and they all our team mates are going to raise kids that luckily do have choices.

But you got to play like you have no choice.

And so, so I think that's cool, man.

But also I think, you know, there's something there for every kid, which is like, hey, when our kids take the field or when I took the field growing up, there was a lot of people and there were a lot of eyes on you.

And it felt like, hey, whether people rooting for you, against you, that sort of thing, that you're a big deal.

Not to say like, oh, I'm a big deal, but like everybody's paying attention.

And this is the truth in today's day and age too.

No one's thinking about you.

They are for like a minute of their day.

No doubt.

When you've got something going where you're in your own head or you think, hey, like my problem is the center of the universe.

If you're in an NFL locker room, you know, we've been there where I, you know, for six years of my career, I didn't miss a game, played through injuries, the whole thing, got hurt, got on IR, was walking around the building thinking everybody hates me.

Like my team mates, they love me.

I'm like a captain.

These are all my boys, man.

But all the.

Time, but you put it you, you plant that seed.

You plant that seed in your head and the pressure put push you in a spot where I'm walking through the hallway like everybody's thinking about I should be coming back sooner.

Everybody's thinking about I'm not rehabbing hard enough.

Everybody's thinking I'm not producing.

And the truth is when people walk by you, they might be thinking about what time the meeting start or they got their own problems or Hey, coach is pissed at me.

I jumped out of my gap last week or you know, like what's going to happen in this meeting because I missed the block.

Like every or I have some some problem at home or, or or I'm in my own head.

Everybody's got their own problems.

And so as much pressure as you might feel, whether you're our kids or somebody else or just a regular kid, like at the end of the day, I don't mean this in a, in a way to like knock you down.

I mean it to build you up.

Like nobody cares.

It's your problems are are it's everything's relative.

You have tiny problems in the grand scheme of things and people are thinking about you even on your worst day.

You know, the people that that are the main characters on Twitter that have like a terrible day.

They tweet the wrong thing, they say the wrong thing.

You might say something totally uncharacteristic.

Screw up on live television for an hour.

You're trending.

Nobody remembers.

Most of the people you know never saw the the thing.

Most of the people you know are not talking about the thing.

So just get over it and move the F on.

Oh, it's so true.

It feels like you're, it feels like all eyes are on you and center.

But it's so true, man.

Like your problems are not nearly as big in the real world as they are in your head.

No, they're thinking about.

Everybody's thinking about something else they think about.

Oh, look at that stupid, you know what the Greg Olsen did today?

And then they're like, what do I want for lunch?

But you're sitting there thinking about what everybody's thinking about what I said or what I the play I didn't make or you know, and I think there's a lesson there for athletes growing up because this day and age you're going to be, there's always a conversation about is, are these athletes tougher or softer than the last generation?

I think yes and no.

I think they're tougher in some ways because they have to deal with the scrutiny that we didn't.

It's a it's literally like we went from like, you know, there's a a national broadcast of our game too.

And you might not be in the market to see a Rams game to now every play is on is is on the Internet.

There's a discourse about it.

Everybody's got social media.

Any slip up in the media, you're so these guys are tougher in a sense.

We definitely were tougher physically because we had actually go to training camp and that sort of thing and there was inside run and and and now everything's all RPO, you know, fast to the flat.

We used to fit counter and power all day, but these guys are tougher in a way because they're scrutinized at a level than we never work.

Before we get back to the episode, let's continue our conversation with RCX Sports Founder and CEO Izel Reese to hear how they are working with professional leagues to elevate the youth sports experience.

These clubs and these teams of, you know, pictures for NBA does a phenomenal job as well.

They've been wanting to do more and so having this conduit and having us in the middle to kind of be an extension of them.

And but this is all we focus on, right?

So because at the end of the day, the pro leagues and their their respective teams, they want to do more, but they also have a professional team or professional club that they got to run and they got to go get a Super Bowl or go win a championship, right?

So, so, so having us in the in the middle to kind of be this is all I'm thinking about.

My my Super Bowl is youth sports.

My Super Bowl is, you know, seeing, seeing these kids and them getting that opportunity.

So now you got somebody who has expertise, but then also the league operator.

So I'm going to go to the other spectrum, that local park and rec, that local.

Why those those different type of groups, independent groups, those are what we call them.

We say that local league operator where those those people that are those boots on the ground, those coaches that are volunteering those time there's officials that are involved and and getting behind them and supporting them.

And so that's what we spent a lot of emphasis on and supporting those 2000 plus league operators, creating efficiencies for them, giving them tools and resources, truly being at one stop shop for them and supporting them and servicing them so that they can deliver that good, that great experience for those kids within those respective communities.

So.

And that's, that's kind of how, you know, again, we're, we're connecting all the dots, if you will, And it's worked it extremely well.

You know, still a lot of runway and continue to, to, to grow and accelerate it and enhance it.

And I, and I think it's a constant push to get more kids back in sport.

Cause at the end of the day, there's still a lion's share of kids that are not playing sport.

How do, how do we get them back to, you know, to being involved in engaged with sports?

Youth sports isn't, isn't going anywhere, but we do know that there aren't as many kids playing youth sports as it used to be.

And, and some of it is because of barriers, some of it because, you know, a variety of things.

And so I don't see any slowing down because, I mean, you know, you have this opportunity to continue to enhance and pulling kids back in.

And every parent wants, every parents wants their kids on a on a local giving Saturday in their local community to participate.

And it also to be a better and great experience.

And so I don't see this slowing down at all.

I mean, I know we got our foot on the gas and we're going to continue to do it and it's working.

And so there's also a lot of demand for, you know, from, from other sports that have, you know, inquired and asked, Hey, how can we be on your platform and what you're doing?

We see what what's happening, but we want to make sure that, you know, we can continue to deliver and die the IS and cross the T's and make it a good experience for for the sports that we're involved in now.

For more from our interview and to learn how to find or start a team, visit Youth dot Inc slash RCX Sports I.

Want to ask you another thing before I let you.

I want to ask you like knowing what lies ahead.

It's a very crazy world than what we recognize, right?

It's not.

It's not going to be what you grew up doing when you played for the Elks and you played with your buddies and then you went to the basketball gym and then those same kids in the fall got ready for football.

Like those days, at least where we live, like those days are over.

How are you guys going to handle like the pressure to have your kids just pick a sport young, the pressure of your kids to fly around the world playing travel sports?

Like have you have you guys had any discussions about cuz that's it's coming down the line.

You're.

Oldest is what?

99 so you're getting there.

I mean 10 it's happening now at 1012 years old.

Like have you guys had any like thoughts about how you want to approach it?

We talk all the time about this cuz my wife's an athlete jersey gal and played from Morristown to South.

But but lacrosse in in college and all that stuff.

And she's like, she's the one who's like on my kids asses.

She's the like the, the sports dad.

I'm the chill sports dad compared to her.

She's the, the quintessential sports dad and she's like trying to get him into two sports at once and all this stuff.

And, you know, she's like anything my son has to do, she's like, yeah, we'll, we'll do that.

Like, you want to play AU basketball on top of flag football this fall?

And I'm the one like, yo, pump your brakes.

Like, let's focus on one thing and pour everything we can into that one thing one season at a time.

Now, I was a hey, I when I was in high school, you know, I'd, I'd, I'd lift for a football after basketball practice, I'd be in the gym till 89-O clock.

But we're nine years old.

So like, my thing is, let's, let's bust our ass at what we're doing and play as many sports as we can.

If you want to do one practice of fall ball, you know, for baseball every week, that's no big deal.

But like to do 2 travel sports at once.

Like hey, it's hard on the kid.

It's also hard on dad in the summer because that's when AU basketball is, My son said, Hey, I want to play AU basketball and I'm like, damn, my, my, my recreational time on the river is going to be cut in half as a result of my son wanting to be LeBron James.

I got 2 boys playing summer travel baseball when school ball ends every summer and traveling to all over the world and then a daughter that plays travel basketball and does track in the summer.

So like, you know, we had these dreams of like our summers being at the beach and going on the boat and like having actually a summer.

Ain't no summer we.

Haven't had a summer in five years?

Yeah, and that's what they don't tell you but but here's what I will say.

But I'm the asshole out there actually coaching the team, making the schedule.

So I'm part of the blitz.

I made the schedule.

I booked the trip to Myrtle Beach, SC in Atlanta.

I'm.

The one that's booking the tournament, so it's probably my own fault.

Myrtle Beach, That's rough.

Well, I, I just, I, I'll say this.

I grew up, played four sports, played football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse.

I went back and forth between baseball and lacrosse because me and the baseball coach didn't get along the and you know, I'm really glad I played all those sports.

Like I think it made me a better athlete as, as, as a whole, being able to play all those sports.

I think special specialization is a little bit overboard.

It's not a hot take in today's day and age.

I think a lot of people are on to that whole thing.

I just think like when you make a commitment and it's kind of like me as an adult, I, I don't say no, I, I don't know if you have this problem when you say yes to everything.

I'm the worst, freaking worst dude.

And I, it's taken me 40 years to figure that out.

But like, if you say yes to everything and you half ass half of it, it ain't doing anybody any good.

You know, you think you're helping them, but you know, they're waiting on the request that you said yes to for three weeks.

That sort of thing is the same thing with a kid when they say yes to too much, too many different sports or too many different engagements.

Eventually your wife and you were going to be sitting there like he's got a birthday party tomorrow.

Like, does he need to go to that practice?

Like, well, you're the one who signed him up for that sport.

You know, it looks to me like he made a commitment.

And so as inconvenient as it is, it is now he's not going to be able to go to his buddy's birthday party or, you know, there's a conflict with his basketball and his baseball game.

Like, that's why I like to keep things kind of like clean where it's like, hey, let's commit to one thing one season at a time.

And if there's a way to do 1 and like 1/4 of another sport, like, you know, take BP every week, stay on your baseball, then let's do that.

But like what I don't like is when all of a sudden we have to make decisions and my son's not at every practice or every game.

And that kind of reinforces A1 foot in, one foot out kind of mentality that I just want him to be all in one thing at a time.

And I do think it's valuable to play multiple sports.

Oh, I do too.

I I'm, I'm a big believer in all that it, it is very hard to be, to play multiple sports at the same time.

We went through it this year with the boys try to keep up with fall baseball.

And obviously we're in the thick of like a real football season.

We got practice every day after school and then they're racing from football to try to go get there, you know, throw their bullpens or they miss a bullpen this week and the next weekend they pitch and their arm hurts and it's just like this never ending cycle.

But when you figure it out and you figure out how to not do it, let me know.

Yeah, because you're you're doing it.

We haven't figured it out yet either.

You you're raising some Shohei Otanis?

No, we're just trying.

To survive, man, we're just trying to survive.

But Chris, man, I, I, it's just so cool to do to just see all you've accomplished.

We can go on and about your charitable work with water boys and and obviously you got your own pod.

We could like that.

I've been on with you, I think a handful of time, two or three times at least, yeah.

Yeah, it's so we're getting more of a starting to run together.

I don't know how many years we've been out, but.

Dude, man, you've accomplished so much.

It's been so cool to obviously get to know you in college as a friend of my brother Chris, teammates at Virginia, and just see everything you've accomplished as you reminded us over 20 years.

I don't know how you feel about that, but dude, man, it's so it's just been so cool to get to know your family, your work with your dad.

Obviously gotten to know Kyle now and super cool man.

Just wish nothing but the best for you and when you figure out all this parenting stuff and raising them, send over some advice because we sure as hell don't have it figured.

Out dude, we'll we'll compare some notes and the respective mutual bro, I've always appreciated you and and as I said, you are just acing it at this in this juncture of your professional career.

Bro we love listening to you call games man.

You're nobody better.

Appreciate you man.

Good.

Good to see anybody.

I'll talk to you soon.

Before we wrap up, let's close out our conversation with our friends at RCX Sports.

I spoke to a father and daughter who are living the youth sports experience daily to hear how RCX has helped them.

I get excited to know that they'll have memories of doing some of these things.

They'll know that their parents were able to take them out to go play these sports.

They'll they'll make friends all over the city.

With the way our city is now with no, not really Community Schools because everything's charter, you have like people spread all over the city.

So it gives them a chance to meet new kids and, and, and have those experiences.

And so that's something that brings joy to my heart, knowing that they're going to have a childhood that's full of joy, that's that's full of fun.

And they get a chance to play all these different sports and see what they like.

So that's been that's been really, really exciting.

It feels like I'm a pro and it feels like I'm actually playing for like the team I'm wearing and it feels like I'm the big team.

They've done a great job of going all over the city, connecting with different schools, connecting with different, with it, with different communities and creating a cost that allows all families to get a chance to be a part of, of playing, of, of getting a chance to be, to be in the sports and, and to be a part of these teams.

And so they've done a great job of just connecting with different community, different community members, getting the word out.

I think you can tell about what's going on with 18th Ward that they're just doing an amazing job and they're not all trying to do just one sport.

They can do many sports.

So all those things create an environment that that creates a a great place for kids to learn and grow.

Having fun is very important because what's the point of playing the game?

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