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Number One, stranger things, Holy crap.

Right, all right, So there's that, and then tonight, Well, how does all of this tie together?

Right?

It's my twisted mind.

It's my twisted mind.

Tonight we're going to be talking about the paranormal West where I live, where John lives.

John Olsen and I talk about the stuff every night on the show.

I really do have.

I live in a haunted house.

That's the first thing.

I've experienced my share of paranormal strangeness out there, both for film and TV and in person, and my own eyeballs, my own ears.

There's all of that plus the crazy stuff.

Something will happen tonight in the studio because John is here.

That'll be fun.

I don't know what it is, but I get to experience that.

But here's the thing, this is where my thought is going.

As crazy as the paranormal West can be as crazy as stranger things can be.

Nothing is nuttier, crazier, or scarier than the bitcoin marketplace.

I swear to you.

I swear to you.

You want real entertainment, just go and hang out with a real time feed of bitcoin trading.

I'm glad it's not my money.

There are people out there with real money watching this horror story play out.

And it's in real time.

And you just watched this, watch the graph and then and then you know a minute by minute, second by second, hour by hour, the twenty four hour clock, and you can look at seven days and a month and a year, right, and just just look at that madness.

Yeah, so tonight, no matter what we talk about, it's not as crazy as the bitcoin marketplace.

Man Man man oh Oh, I wanted to say this.

This is the horror story of the bitcoin marketplace.

And if you've ever watched Black Mirror, Okay, Black Mirror is close enough to reality, it's strange and it's fun and it's great, but it's close enough to your day to day thing that it's it's it can be terrifying, it's funny.

Uh, Joan is awful?

Have you seen that episode?

Right?

With Selma Hyak.

It's just okay, So go and watch that.

It's about quantum computing, all right.

I just go and watch that and see how that plays out.

How does that tie into the bitcoin marketplace?

You get inside of it.

And this is what's really going on with the with the terror charts and the terror trading and the horror trading.

Most people in bitcoin are not playing with their own spare cash.

Right, you got a half a million dollars lying around in your savings account, and I know you do, and you just pull out a one hundred grand and you go buy a bitcoin.

And because it's money that you can waste, that's not who's in the bitcoin marketplace.

You know who's in the bitcoin marketplace.

People they go and borrow money at two percent, three four percent, five percent interest in Japan, they've got zero interest loans, right, So they take that money throw it into bitcoin, hoping for these huge gains.

Now, let's say you borrowed when bitcoin was at one hundred thousand dollars, right, okay, hoping for a five ten percent return on your investment, but instead Bitcoin now and that money's in there, you owe that money.

You have to pay it back.

And bitcoin starts trading at ninety thousand, eighty thousand.

Well you've just lost twenty thousand dollars per bitcoin, and your loan is due.

Most people on bitcoin are playing with borrowed money.

And think about the heart attacks, the real time black mirror horror story that's playing out for those people that are watching that trading going on.

And that's what I'm talking about.

That's where my twisted mind goes Man.

That is paranormal.

That is paranormal.

I want to John Olson, it's got bitcoin.

I wonder how his heart is doing today.

That's right.

Author and investigator John Olson is with us tonight.

He's got nine books out.

The latest book in the in the Bridger series is Idaho Encounters, UFOs, Cryptids, Shadow Beings, right portals all of that stuff that is going on out here in the American West.

We're going to talk about all of that tonight.

How we got started in this is his house, Haunted everything else coming to us live from Utah.

He's right there, John Olson.

John, Good evening, young man.

How you doing.

How's your bitcoin?

How's your bitcoin?

I don't have any bitcoin?

Luckily I am not in that right now, thank goodness.

But it's crazy.

So but yeah, I'm doing well, so thanks thanks to not having bitcoin at the moment.

Yeah, so true, you know, and we're not obviously gonna be talking about finances tonight and bitcoin futures of something that is you're you're investing, you're buying in in binary code, that's what's that just feels weird to me.

But uh, okay, so there is that part.

But I can't imagine the nerves that go on.

I was watching.

And then we're gonna get to the first time guest disclaimer in a second.

Actually, let's get that out of the way before we can do the show.

Your first time guest.

So here's the disclaimer.

John, is just you and I sitting on my couch having a conversation as friends.

And where the conversation starts, it starts, where it ends, it ends.

But we're gonna end as friends.

There you go.

Now you have to accept so we can move on.

I definitely accept.

Okay, the scariest, most dangerous thing I've ever done.

And I've done a lot of things.

I've robbed a bank or two, right, Okay, I've done some dangerous things.

But the dangerous thing I've ever done that gets my heart racing when I think about it, is I went inside the Bent Pyramid in Egypt.

I've been to Egypt a lot.

I've never gone back into the Bent Pyramid.

Terrifying one hundred.

You're a paranormal guy, you're a ghost guy.

Imagine doing this.

A tunnel this big that you can look at me.

I barely fit in right, one hundred and fifty feet at a forty degree angle, down into the ground one hundred and fifty feet and you're crawling.

You got to go backwards.

It's too steep.

You go face first, you slide and it's only this big, so your back is scratching on the roof and you're backing down.

You can't if you change your mind, you can't get out because you have somebody in front of you.

You can't go around right, You're stuck right, so that claustrophobic thing.

And you do this backwards for one hundred and fifty feet maybe two hundred feet, and you get down into the bottom knowing it's bad.

Air smells like bat piss and lack of oxygen combined with the bat piss.

It's hot, it's steamy, and you can't get out.

You have to wait for everybody to come down, right, and it's dangerous.

It's really dangerous anyway, that racing heart thing that you get right that that paranormal I've just seen a ghost and you pee on yourself kind of panic.

That's what the bitcoin marketplace is.

It gets my heart racing, like the bent pyramid and it's not my money.

Is that why you're in this?

Is that why you're in the paranormal?

Is you like that that shock, that adrenaline rush.

Well, I think that's definitely part of it.

I mean that that's why a lot of people, you know, love the paranormal.

That's why you know, people love you know, ghosts hunts or going to a scare house.

You know, they're looking for that that smike of adrenaline.

And I think that's definitely part of it.

For me.

I think the biggest thing now after doing it for so many years is just the fact that you know, I'm trying to figure this out.

It's like a huge puzzle that I can't seem to find all the pieces to you know, exactly what's going on.

I mean, you've got everything from you know, your ghosts, you know, and then you've got UFOs and Bigfoot and just you know, glitches and the matrix, all of these weird things.

Going on, and it's it to me.

It's just fascinating because even after doing this for you know, forty years now almost I find new things all the time, and I think that's what keeps me going.

I hear stories where I'm like, I thought I'd heard it all, and now you know, I'm hearing something new.

So I think that's what keeps me going.

Isn't it amazing in the paranormal world how the goalpost are constantly moving forward.

Right as soon as you think I got this, you ain't got it.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

And and what's really fun, at least for me, is I'll get a story that I think is a one off kind of deal, and then I publish it and it's like people come out of the woodwork saying, oh, I thought I was the only one that had that experience, And then I end up with a ton of stories where I was like, man, this this feels like a one off, and then it's really not a one off.

Where did I'm Bridger Land?

So I see that and I think of Jim Bridger out of the Gate.

Is that where it came from?

Yeah, it is so.

Northern Utah and part of Wyoming and part of Idaho is kind of a officially unofficially called Bridgerland because Jim Bridger was the first one to map it and really explore it as a trapper.

So a lot of a lot of the areas is referred to as Bridgerland.

We've got a Bridgerland College.

You know.

The phone book when I was old was called the Bridgeland phone Book, And so yeah, that's definitely where that comes from.

Uh, Northern Utah one of the most beautiful places in the world, you know, hands down right.

But I've got it.

I want to lay the foundation to the show, and I need to know what zone I can go into.

Are you Mormon?

I am?

Yep, I was okay, okay.

Do I have to stay in bounds?

Then no, you can?

You can and you can ask whatever you want to.

You know.

It's it's interesting because.

A lot of people when they find out, you know, that I do this, and they're like, oh, you.

And that weird?

ID just doing what you do?

Nine books?

Is that Mormon?

Do your Mormon friends look at you differently?

Do they don't?

They don't care.

You know, I really don't know.

They don't really care.

And you know, it's it's interesting because when when I was growing up and I you know, I was raised lbs and our house was very haunted, which is what got me started in this.

But there was this very you know, my parents were afraid to you know, don't talk about outside of the house.

And and I don't know if that's necessarily because of the you know, it was just a tight knit LDS community, and I think they were worried that people think were crazy.

But that wasn't necessarily just because it was LDS.

But you know, back then, it was a lot more taboo.

Now now, I mean I have a I have a wrap on my truck with skulls and okats, Well, you guys, you've.

Got Skinwalker Ranch, you know, number one show in the in America maybe the world, right, and that's right there in the heart of it.

Do you swear?

Do you ever use bad words?

I do?

Yeah, okay, because I might slip on this show.

I try not, but you know it's appear, you know, I just want to respect my guests.

You know, it's good, okay, all right, all right, So now that we got that out of the way.

But you mentioned your your parents growing up and living in a haunted house or or whatever.

Did did you ever see a ghost growing up?

Yeah?

There was.

There was one apparition that we all saw on, you know, several occasions.

We called him the Man in the Hat when we were little kids because really, but it was, but it's not associated with the the shadow Man in the Hat.

We called him the man in the hat because he had overalls, a skinny guy with overalls, a white shirt and then a white brimmed hat, just like a farmer.

And so as kids, when we saw him, we just.

Referred to him as the man in the hat because he was always wearing this white brimmed hat.

A ghost of a farmer.

There you go.

Yeah, yeah.

Did you ever find out who he was?

I did?

Yeah.

So the house.

Was in my family since so it was built in eighteen eighty three, and it was in my family from around the nineteen hundreds on.

And when my grandma.

Passed away, my grandma and grandpa only lived a block away from where I grew up, and we were kind of cleaning out the house and she had some old photo while and I love old photo albums.

And I'm flipping through it and I flipped to a page and I almost fell out of my chair because there was my house with a guy standing in front of it with a white shirt and overall's hello, Hello.

It was him, and so I hurried and flipped it over and it was actually a great great uncle.

Of mine owned it in the nineteen twenties.

Is who's in the house?

So how did he die?

You know, I'm he just passed away in his sleep in the house.

Oh okay, So it wasn't an axe murder in the front room.

No, not that I'm aware of.

There was no murders, at least not that I know of.

So man, yeah, my house.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this.

But I moved in here, bought the place five years ago, and I live alone, so I don't know I moved.

I moved from Burbank to Palmdale, right, okay, so forty miles down the road and I'm new to Palmdale.

I don't know anybody here, so, uh, getting a house like this, I don't know the background.

I don't have any photo albums, you know, like, you know whatever.

And the second night that I was here.

Stuff started happening, right, I mean, like like out of the gate, right, and you know I'm cool with it.

But I did go around.

I didn't have I didn't have the opportunity that you did.

But I did go to my neighbors.

I'm meeting everybody after about a month, throwing them softballs.

Right.

You don't want to go straight in.

Hey, man, anybody get killed in my house?

You know, you know you don't want to go there.

But so I go to my neighbors.

You know who lived here before?

You know, Oh, nice family.

You know, I grew up and their kids all grew up and they just moved out.

Okay, that's it.

Yeah, that's that's pretty much it.

Okay, you're sure about that?

Okay?

All right?

And I asked everybody.

I did.

I didn't get anything.

So I did look into the like was this an Indian burial ground?

Was it built on a former insane asylum?

Right?

But no, I got nothing.

I got nothing, And I don't have any other way to check into it.

So I don't know who is here.

I haven't asked.

I haven't asked, but I do talk to the ghost.

Did you ever talk to yours?

Yeah?

All the time interestingly enough, so there is At one point, I think it was about five years ago, my wife and I were moving and our house.

We sold our house, but the new house we were going to move into wasn't going to be available for about a month, and we were going to just stay in a hotel or a rent an apartment.

And my parents, who still lived in the house at the time, said why don't you live upstairs and you know, it's just a month and save your money in and I said sure.

And my wife was like, well, what about the ghost.

And and I said, well, you know what if I go if we go in there and I say, hey, this is Annie, she's scared of all this, to leave her alone, don't bother then he'll leave you alone.

And so I did that and he did for we were there for a month, and for the first three weeks nothing happened.

And after three weeks.

We were upstairs folding clothes and my wife goes, you know, you told me all these scary stories and nothing's happened.

And I said, well, you asked me to tell him not to bother you, and and then I out loud, I said, well, if you want him to introduce himself.

I'm sure he would love to and she just kind of laughed and we kind of laughed it off.

But that very.

Next morning, yep, I had got up and left for work early, and she was half asleep and heard me get up and then leave, and she was almost back to sleep, and somebody slipped into bed, oh and wrap and put their arm around her.

Oh, and then she realized I'd already gone to work.

Oh, and she jumped out of bed and flipped the light on, and she heard a little bit of a laughter.

And for the last week he just was relentless about teasing her and doing things to scare the crap.

I had a friend.

He's probably in the chat room.

He lives on the East Coast.

Okay, his name is Ken.

Ken.

If you're here, say hello to everybody.

Ken is crazy.

He's real cool and Ken is a professional.

He owns a restaurant chain, national restaurant chain.

And but we became friends many years ago.

Really cool dude, right just down, just a really cool game.

Anyway.

Uh, he writes, I'm having a party, dinner party at my house, cookout, backyard weekend thing, and he goes, man, I'm coming in from the east coast, and you know, you want to hang out.

I say, hey, man, I'm having a party now.

So I invite him over and he comes.

I live next to Lockheed skunk Works.

Right, that's right down right right there.

See it from my house?

Okay, So he shows it.

He's first, No, no, I'm sorry.

He's second.

My friend Lisa, who's probably also in the chat room.

She's here.

And Lisa and I have known each other since we were literally like kids.

I'm sixty two.

I met her when she was eighteen.

Okay, I was twenty one, I think, so that's how long we've known each other for a long time.

So she's here.

Ken shows up.

Her and Kenn are friends, and they're the first two here.

So Ken comes in and he goes, hey, man, I want to see skunk Works.

I said, okay, all right, and I said, Lisa house is yours.

Anybody shows up, you know, yeah?

Yeah, you know everybody?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys go.

So Ken and I jump in my jeep and we split.

We're gone for thirty minutes.

I take them down to skunk Works and drive them around and we come back.

We walk in the front door and Lisa comes running in screaming.

Ah.

I was like, what, there's somebody upstairs.

I go watch because I'm sitting there.

I was sitting on the count and there's there's footsteps, and then I can hear them walking around and cocky, I said, Lisa, that's my ghost.

I said, well, you know what, what do you expect?

And so I go, look, let's go upstairs.

There's nobody here.

So her ken and I we go upstairs and above her in the living in the family room.

In the back above her is my bathroom, master bath, which is pretty good size.

It's a it's a you can walk around in it, okay, with a tile floor.

And so I walk her in to the master bath right above where she was sitting in the couch.

I said, there's where you heard the footsteps right here.

Is there anybody here?

She's looking around.

No, it's a ghost, you know, and and and you just live with it, you know, you live with it.

But I think the ghost was saying hello to her, like your ghost was with your wife?

Yeah.

How many houses?

How many homes in America?

Do you think this goes on?

Oh?

Boy, I don't know.

That's a good question.

I'm going to say everyone, I'm going to.

Say a lot.

Yeah, definitely, And I do know, at least in my thoughts too, there are certain people that seem to be be able to I'm not going to say attract it, but recognize it easier than other people.

So yeah, that could definitely be true.

Yeah, this is what I did, just like you with your ghosts.

I want your answer to this, and then we'll jump back to the conversation.

Right after I moved into the house.

I don't want to get into details that it's too much and you're my guest.

But anyway, I'm in bed movement and noise is coming from the master path right off to my right, and like in the walking closet, and I said, I'm not getting up do your thing.

I'm gonna read my iPad, I'm gonna watch some TV, but I'm not walking in there.

Okay, I know you want my attention, but it's not going to happen.

And so anyway, about a minute later and I'm reading, nothing happens.

Right about a minute later, I went, dude, you're frigging talking to a ghost.

You are an adult, you know, and you're you're literally out loud, not in my mind right, I'm talking to a ghost.

Yeah, yep, you know.

It's it's funny because, you know, because of what I do, I get a lot of people that will contact me and say, you know, I think I have a ghost.

I think you know, this is what's going on.

And you would be amazed at how many people, how many times I've I've helped them fix it by saying, you know what, you just got to be vocal and say, hey, you know you're you're welcome here.

This is my house now, but I really need to.

Stop scaring my kids being noisy, waking me up, and and I you know, it's like I tell people, if you went out on the street and met ten people, nine of them would be pretty decent people.

It's just that one out of ten that's going to be a jerk.

And it's the same with the afterlife people.

If you were a jerk in life, you're going to be a jerk in the afterlife.

And so it's really that one in ten that you got to look out for when you're dealing with that.

So, but it's been interesting the number of people who come back and be like, yeah, if I was just vocal and said, hey, you know, you're waking me up, you know, or you're scaring me or you're scaring my kids and it goes away, which is I find that really fascinating.

So well, okay, so you've written nine books right new one's on Idaho.

Uh, but nine books on this and you should call it the Bridgerln triangle.

I'm just saying, I'm giving you a suggestion, right, the Bridgelan triangle, because I've mapped it out here, you know, and I've looked at it.

I was like, eh, yeah, exactly, kind of like a triangle.

Yeah, is there something more common than others?

You know, I'm referring to Bigfoot and cryptids and ghosts and UFOs and whatever.

Is there one thing that happens more than others in the Bridgerlan triangle?

Well, when with.

Me collecting stories over the years, there's definitely more ghosts stories.

You at least in my opinion, it he goes there's more ghost stories, and then UFO stories, and then maybe Bigfoot stories, encryptids, and then you start getting out there with you know, you've got mimics and you've got the Fay stories, and you've got glitches in the matrix.

Actually, glitches would be right after Bigfoot now because for some reason like that seems to be one that I get more of than than than Bigfoot or anything like that.

So it definitely goes like that.

I think ghosts are more prevalent around people for some reason.

But then yeah, they get rarer and rarer the further out you get, and so and you know, one of the things is I've always said that in order for a story to go into my book, I have to be able to talk to the person that it happened to, and so some of those are really rare, like for example, faced or ees or things of that nature are are really rare.

And there's definitely more ghost stories out there.

Is it?

Is it geographic?

You know, the more I I write and the more I interview people, because I mean I have done, like the vast majority is definitely the Western United States, but some of my stories go out the furthest ones I've gotten have been I've gotten some from Canada, I've got one or two from from Australia, a couple from Brazil and South America, one from Germany, and a couple from England.

So it's definitely I think each area has almost its own, just like it has its own history.

It has its own kind of niche.

When it comes to the paranormal, I think it's it's just a little bit different.

I love, like in e England reading stories or hearing stories about people seeing Roman soldiers, you know, marching along the road or or things of that nature.

And I would love, I would love to experience that.

I would love to would I out here in the West, I mean it's you have a ghost towns, right, and uh, there's a place not where I live.

I live in the Mohave Desert.

So around me a lot of old mining oil, right and stuff for these little little towns that that were built.

Right next to me is a ghost town called Mentreeville, right, and you can look it up.

You can look it up.

It's crazy.

And and and there's Mentryville.

But uh, north to me is another town called Rosamon, and right around it, right, ghost towns there.

So when you go to these ghost towns, But the amount of ghosts that are there, it's got to be countless.

Well, I mean, whoever lived there died there and probably died very violently, right yeah, And and and where Bridgerland is, that's the old West.

The Mormons didn't have a foothold.

Yet when those gunslingers were rolling through, there was no law.

There was nothing, and you could do whatever you want with no repercussions just about.

And it was a very violent time.

So yes, there must be a lot of ghosts and spirits and lost lost souls.

There is, yeah, And and it's so it's so weird when things come up.

There's a small town just over.

It's a little waste from me.

It's called Perry.

And not too long ago, I was reading about a story of this gentleman bought just a plot of land and to build his house.

And when he was digging the line for his water line, he hit a coffin and they come out and looked, and I laughed, right, But come to find out that the plot of land he bought was an old cemetery that had been lost in like the things.

And now he's living on land which is basically a cemetery.

And and because there's no there's no map, they kind of had to go out and like they, you know, drag dig his water line and they'd find some coffins and they would move them to the cemetery.

And then he just how many of those are out there?

You know it's and not too long ago.

They had two instances here in Cash Valley where I live, where they the city went to go widen the road and and found bones and they had to call the the state corner and he came out and said, well, these are from the eighteen hundreds.

We have no idea who they are, and so they had to move him and not I think it was a year ago.

This happened in a Logan, Utah, which is not too far from me.

They were putting in a roundabout and found a grave, and so they went looking through the archives to try and find out who this possibly could be, because it was near the cemetery but not in the cemetery.

And this whole story came out.

About in the eighteen hundreds, this guy, they had his name, and I can't remember what it was.

He had killed this girl and he was in the jail and the townsfolk just went down and hung him without a trial and buried him in this basically unmarked grave, and so the city now had to find a burial.

Spot for him.

But it's just crazy that, you know, like you say, in.

The wild West, out here you can buy land and then accidentally find you know a graveyard in your back.

I was on my harley last year.

Last year.

I'm riding in the mountains out here, so I'm in the Mahabi desert, but next to me we're surrounded by this mountain.

It's majestic, it's beautiful.

I'm up in the mountains on this road and I find this spot way up high with the Mahabi desert in front of me, like, man, a great spot for a picture.

Yeah, this is great.

And the fire line had come down, so the burnt black trees were on one side and then the desert on the and this line.

It was a great spot for pictures.

So I get off my bike and I get about fifteen twenty yards on this ridge and I'm overlooking the thing and I'm taking pictures.

And I come up over this little hill on the top of this mountain of grave, a all by itself.

There was nothing for ten miles in each direction, and it's a grave.

It's about fifteen feet by maybe six feet, with rocks in a in a in a rectangle around it, with a tall unmarked cross made with being a couple of being I don't know, six by six tall sat And I.

Was like.

Well, would you look at that, you know, and I took I took a bunch of pictures and I posted them.

But I'm in the middle of nowhere, an unmarked grave, you know, just just sitting there.

Yeah.

It Welcome to the West, right, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, and when you think about it, all the people who you know, we're traveling to Oregon or Utah or California.

If you were going along and your loved one died, you buried him right there, you know, and kept going.

So there's there's stuff like that all the way around.

And because of that, there's a lot of paranormal stuff that's that's all around because of that.

So now with with the popularity of Skinwalker Ranch, we are starting to become familiar with not only geography and and a location possibly lay lines.

Is it, is it granted?

Is it core?

Is it?

Is it?

The uh?

The indigenous cultures and their and their history of of what they talk about.

So you have all of that, and then you have a high strangeness of UFOs up in the sky.

That's that's the part.

And it's just seems that Utah has all of these things.

It does and and that area where Skinwalker Ranch is just kind of basically towards the west and north is this big mountain range that's called the Uinta Mountains, and it is the most strange, weird place.

I have gotten so many stories out of there.

But what's funny is it's everything from ghosts to strange people that disappear to you know, Bigfoot.

That whole area, the u Into Mountains has just got so many stories.

One of my favorite ones that I got, I interviewed this gentleman and him and his buddy back in the eighties, they would just go up in the uin As and look around because it's also known for supposedly.

Buried Spanish gold.

The Spanish had gold mines all the way through there, and then the Native Americans had a revolt, and when they did that and kicked them out, they buried the gold.

So there's all these there's a lot of these old timers that used to go look for the gold.

And these two would do that.

And they had high back.

Into this lake and they camped and they'd just gone to bed, and there was this light that woke them up, and they walked down towards the lake, and down near the lake was what they thought was one of these silver airstream trailers sitting there, and they could see people inside walking and the door was open, and this figure came out and looked at him, and they were looking at each other and they're like, we hiked in here, and apparently somebody's cut a road because now there's an airstream trailer up here, and so they're like, we're gonna go to bed and then the morning will come down and find out how these guys you know where this road is because they spent like two or three hours hiking in the next morning they go there, there's no airstream trailer, there's no road, there's just marks where this thing had been sitting.

And then they both it hit both of them that it was a UFO that had landed, and they actually saw the occupants and they were like, oh my gosh.

And there was just.

Circles where in the ground on the sagebrush where it had been smashed flat where it had been sitting, and he was like, we were not very far from this thing.

We thought it was an airstream trailer because it was silver.

It was round, sure, it looked like that, and then it ended up not being that.

So and that was in the U Wind is not too far from uh, the Skinwalker Ranch.

Man.

Yeah, that that just gets my mind going in a bunch of things.

See, there's also the question of time slips right where people are seeing stuff like that airstream.

Somebody sees a covered wagon.

Oh isn't that interesting?

Yeah, look at these actors out here, do are they shooting a video?

You know, this is this is incredible.

And then they go get their friends and they come back to point out the covered wagon and it's gone.

Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because I have a story please that when that went right along with that?

So, not too far from where I live, they have what's called it's a historical farm where you know, they do things and the kids can come from school and they show them how they used to live in the old reenactment.

Yeah, kind of reenactments and that kind of thing.

Well, there was this lady and her mom that were driving near that and they saw a covered wagon train out in the field moving and she was like, man, that's you know, that's just they're really gone out this year because look how look.

How accurate that is.

There's little kids buy it, you know, running.

Along looks so real.

Looks so real, right, And so they drive past and their mom's like, I got to get a picture of that.

And so they turn around and go back and there's nothing there gon And so she calls them the next day and they're like, Yeah, we don't have anything going on like that around here.

There's nothing like that.

I had a guest call in one night on a call in night, and she tells almost the exact same story.

She says, when she was a kid, early seventies, she's in the back of her station wagon with her brothers and the family, right, and they're in the west and heading west and I think it was like in Arizona or something.

Anyway, pull over, rest stop, picnic table, mom putting everything out right, Okay, kids out playing.

She wanders off, comes over this ridge and sees freaking wagon train and she sees campfires, she sees kids playing horses right, the whole thing.

Oh, you know, everything going on across this river.

And she sees this sign that's there and she reads it.

This is where the wagon trains came from the East coast and traveling.

Well, she's reading this this thing at the site.

So she goes back to get the family.

You guys got to see this man, it's going on over it, and you know, takes the family up up to where the and look gone, gone, yep gone, and of course she's a little girl and they're going.

Man, he made it, A made it.

No I didn't.

And yeah, fascinating story.

Nearly identical to yours.

So this stuff does happen.

And just another one that I remember that was very similar to this that I love it too because the guy had so much detail that he was talking about.

He was actually hunting mule deer in Montana and he was sitting on this ridge just watching glassing, and right blowne came six guys on horses and as they come out, they were all in Native American buckskins.

They had their their ponies painted, they were on bare back, and he's like, oh my gosh, these guys are really going all out with this, you know.

And it was you know, you know, five or six Native Americans on that.

But they walked right down past him, not very far.

Like he had a good detail of how the horses were painted.

And as they walk through the trees in front of him, they just vanish, They're gone as they walk into the trees right in front of him.

It's like they walk behind the trees.

That you know.

Sometimes I think sometimes I think it might be ghosts, but I think sometimes ah, there's some sort of like a portal or something where people get a glimpse of the past.

They're almost seen through a doorway into the past.

Because a lot of times, especially like this individual that was talking about, it wasn't like he was seeing a phantom that you could see through or something like that.

It was very real to him from where he was sitting, but they didn't seem to see him.

So it was almost like a one way door that he was seeing through.

And I think that can happen sometimes.

I'm not sure how, but so you're.

Not seeing you're not seeing a ghost or spirits, You're seeing the past.

The past, right.

Wow.

And And the more I read about quantum physics, the more they talk about how like time is a concept that we that we live in on in this three dimensional realm, and that somehow there's got to be a way that it folds back.

I don't know exactly how it folds back on.

Itself to where we can see stuff like that, because you know, that kind of stuff happens a lot you know, the there's a lot of stories about Gettysburg like that where people see they think reenactments, but there's no reenactments going on.

Or there was a story I read not too long ago about two guys who were in a reenactment and they were taking a break and standing there and this guy walked up to him and they were like, oh, man, this guy's blood and everything is like really real.

And he just looked at him really weird and then disappeared right in front of the two of them.

So that could be ghosts, of course, but not so sure.

I'm not so sure.

And I wonder how many people see stuff like this and dismiss it and move on with life.

You know, I have to ask people just go back to that weird crap that happened to you and unpack that moment.

What do you think is actually?

When I was a kid, I drove by a house house for rent sign.

I drive past it.

I'm eighteen, nineteen years old.

I went, oh, man, awesome house.

I turn around, go up, look in the window.

There's a graveyard next door behind the thing.

It was in the woods.

I look in the window, man, I see it.

I go I jump in my car, I pick up some friends.

I go, man, you're not going to leave this house.

Got an in ground pool in the front yard, white picket fence.

Man, it's crazy.

It's for rent.

Man, it's our summer party pad.

You gotta check it out.

So we drive back.

It's gone.

It's gone, freaking gone gone.

I'm like, it was right, and they're like church man, dragging us out.

No, no, you know, I you know.

And so now wonder at the time, I just thought that I couldn't find There's only two streets out there in the cornfields that it could have been on.

But I just couldn't figure out how I messed it up.

I blamed it on me.

But now as an adult, I look back at that, I go, man, that that was some paranormal stuff going down.

And I wonder how many people experienced this that they you know, they just just life gets in the way, you know, and you just move on.

But how much of this how I would say it probably happens a lot.

Mm hmm.

Well, and it's funny because you know that it wrote.

Your story reminded me of this guy who I interviewed, and he grew up in a small town in Missouri, and there was their house, and then this little field and then this this old farmhouse.

And when he was a teenager, this old couple bought the farmhouse and then they restored it and he used to mow the lawn for him and everything, and they came and the he remembers the newspaper doing an article because they'd done such an amazing job restoring it, and jumped forward years and years later he goes back there with his kids.

They're traveling through there, and he's like, oh, let me show you my old house I grew up in.

And you know that his house is there, but the farmhouse is gone and there's a new house right there.

And he goes, oh, I wonder what happened.

And so he knocks on the door and it's a younger, younger lady and he goes, oh, I was just wondering what happened to the old couple.

And she goes, oh, that was my parents.

They purchased this old house, but they decided to tear it down and build a new one because they didn't want to deal with all the old problems.

And he's like, yeah, didn't they restore it And she's like, no, no, they tore it down, and he goes, he takes his kids and drives to the library and tries to find, you know, the article that was written on it, and he can't find it.

And now it's almost like it's changed because he's the only one that remembers it that way.

And he's like, I used to mow the lawn there every week, you know, I mowed the lawn for them.

You know, I remember the old house.

I remember the smell when.

I walked in there, And now it never existed, which is so weird, and.

That would mess with me.

Yeah, that would How many stories have we heard about people driving down a street that they've driven down a million times and it turns to black and white?

Right?

Yeah?

And you know what I mean, where they see their old school, where a shopping center is now or whatever, right right, and they're like, what is going on?

It doesn't make any sense, And then they turn back around and everything goes back to normal.

Yeah.

I think this is more common than uncommon driving through a time slip, a time warp something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I remembermember not very long ago, reading a story about a couple in Europe.

They were in France and they they were on a trip and they stopped this little village and they're like, oh, this is so cool.

They've they've just kept it like it was in like the eighteen hundreds.

And they stayed the night and they ate the weird food and people talked weird and they're like this is so cool.

And like the next weekend they're like, you got to come see this place, and they show up and that it's gone, like or it's modernized.

I can't remember.

I think it was gone.

I think the whole town was gone.

And so yeah, it's just there's so many weird things like that that happened.

Have you have you seen anything in the before we get to the break, have you seen anything strange in the sky up there in Utah?

Oh?

Yeah, yeah, there's there The mountain range that's right behind my house, which is called the Wellsville Mountain Range, is very well known for UFO's sightings and some of the strange things that was on up there, including lights and orbs, you know, large orbs and stuff.

So yeah, there's definitely stuff like that that goes on up here.

What comes to mind.

Orbs, A lot of orbs I've seen from a long ways away.

There will every once in a while be a light on the mountain, and it's in an area where you really couldn't have anybody hiking, especially at night, because it is steep and it is dangerous up there.

So yeah, definitely some weird things like that, And it could have to do with the geology too, because it's you know, they talk about how like you say, the granite and stuff like that can can cause weird things, they say, who knows, but there there's definitely areas up here that have lights like they talk about that that will show up every once in a while.

I think you think there is the geography.

Of course, you think of it in courts and the stuff that goes on with that.

There could be a scientific explanation for it.

But then you have all of the indigenous stories, you know, handed down for generations about these being spirits and and what may occupy the land.

What do you make of that, because it's this isn't a modern phenomenon.

Yeah, no, it definitely isn't.

I think there could be a mixture of both.

There could be situations where you know, you get weird lights because of the because of maybe something with the geology or something like that.

But I honestly think a lot of times because they show up in places.

For example, not real far from here is a place called the Bear River Massacre, was one of the biggest Native American massacres that went on, definitely in the West, where some regular army out of California, we're coming through and slaughtered an entire village up there.

And I get a lot of stories about lights and orbs and things that go on in that area that could only be associated with that kind of you know, the sadness and whatever happened there.

So I definitely connect that for sure.

Do you ghost hunt, I.

Get invited to do it sometimes.

What I mostly do is just I interview people.

I'll go out to the areas that they talk about if it's close enough.

Growing up in a haunted house, I kind of like, it's not that it doesn't excite me, but I've experienced so much that I don't necessarily go out and do the ghost hunting.

I do get invited, and I always go when I get invited by groups because it's a lot of fun.

But yeah, I don't go do investigations like that on my own unless I'm helping a family.

Oh no, No, no, no, no, no, never on your own No, it's like ghost hunting your own house.

Yeah, yeah, you know, no, leave us stuff alone.

But when you're out doing investigations with people and things happen like a disembodied voice or you're doing EVPs.

Have you experienced that?

Yeah?

Yeah I have.

I've gotten several on purpose, and I've got a law on accident.

Especially at my parents' house.

When we were visiting or doing something, we'll be recording something it used to record, you know, if they my parents would record the grandkids and then I would be listening.

To the video of them, and then I'd be like, what was that?

And then in the background you can hear somebody saying something that's not associated with anybody in the house, Like it wasn't anybody's voice right there.

So yeah, definitely had some of those for sure.

How does it?

Somebody voice?

Thing fascinates me?

Sound?

I know a lot about, right I do.

You can look around and see that.

I you know, I practice the art of sound.

But you need something in our material world to move the air.

Yeah, so you can hear it.

Yeah, Okay, with a disembodied voice, you don't have that thing that mechanical thing to create.

And that's where you've got to step back and go, Okay, well, how how is it being created?

Yeah?

How does that work?

That's and that's part of the mystery of the whole thing, you know, how do you you know?

Because it's the same thing with your footsteps upstairs?

There's guy.

I mean, if it's making sound, it's got to almost be, you know, something somewhat physical, you would think, especially if you're able to record, which a lot.

Of people do.

It's yeah, it's it's one of those mysteries along with a lot of the stuff that just makes you scratch your head.

You if you're like me, sometimes you sit in bed at night and you're like, wait a minute, how.

In the crap does does this work?

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, A lot of stuff moves around here.

I see a lot of stuff and and but if I start having disembodied voices here, I'm out.

I'm out.

I'm out.

I'm out.

I'm not going to bring in a medium.

I'm not going to bring in a psychic.

I'm not going to bring in the Ghost Adventures crew.

I'm not gonna no, I'm not going to videotape.

Nope, nope, I'm calling a moving van to two starvingstudentsmovers dot com right right exact that I've heard them.

You know, this has happened to me a few times in my life.

The first time I heard it, I was overjoyed.

Yeah, great, fantastic.

After that you start to think about what's doing it.

Yeah, that's fascinating to me.

Yeah.

Well, I remember as a teenager getting woken up in the middle of the night because there were two people in the corner of my room whispering a conversation.

And on multiple times I would just be like, guys, I have school in the morning, leave me alone, and then it would go quiet.

But if you told somebody that, they'd be like, oh he he should probably see somebody, you know, for some psychiatric help.

But it really happened, you know what I mean.

I this is how I deal with it.

I was lying maybe two years ago.

I'm on my side reading my iPad in bed.

Lights are off, iPad on its stand, I'm lying sideways in bed and I'm facing my left Okay, my back is okay, So anyway, I'm sitting there reading my sideways.

Here, let me do that let me.

Okay, So I'm like this, and then this hand and I feel it right between my shoulder blades pushes me.

And I'm reading the iPad and don't look, don't turn around, just ignore it, act like it didn't happen.

And it's all playing out of my head, right, but it didn't happen again, but it happened.

And here's here's what's nuts.

And I know that you've done enough interviews and heard enough stories.

I know what it sounds like coming out of my mouth.

I do.

I sound as crazy as as anybody else.

I sound nuts.

But now we've got to get into credibility.

I'm not lying.

I'm not making it up.

It actually happened.

And I'm not saying I turn around and saw a red eyed go right with wings saying that.

No, I'm not saying any of that.

But what happened happened?

What do you deal how do you deal with credibility?

And how do you vet a source?

So I really have to go off my gut and and I don't.

I don't pay anybody for their story.

If I do use their story to say thank you, like if their story, whichever book it comes out in, I will send them a signed copy to say thank you for sharing your story.

I don't, you know.

And with a lot of people, they.

Want their name change and everything, so they're not really looking for credit, you know, They're not looking to you know, wave a white flag and say look at me, you know.

And so a lot of times I really just have to go off my gut.

And there's been very few times when I interview somebody and and I get the feeling that they're kind of pulling my leg because, especially if it's in tense story, I've had people have to stop because they're they're crying because they're literally going right back to that moment and they're feeling those feelings again.

And so yeah, but it's mostly I just have to go off my gut kind of a deal.

And then my wife, who's my editor, she helps me go through all the stories to make sure, you know, to pick the right stories for the right book.

And so this is kind of how I do it.

I had a friend, not a friend, but somebody that I knew tell me this incredible story, all right.

I mean it was everything blood dripping from the ceiling, whatever, windows getting crashed, cars flipping over, nuclear explosions, as whatever.

Man, it's just like this crazy story.

And he goes through and he tells me the whole thing.

All right, Okay, all right, but man, so and so was there and so and so was there, and we all experienced this together.

Okay, all right, Okay.

So I go up to one of the three or four people that were there.

I said, man, so I get you know, dude, none of it happened.

He's making it all up.

I was like, you know, and he sold it.

He sold it, he sold it.

I mean I was like, okay, well wow, wow, okay, all right, all right, and then you know, and it's just like, ah, and I think about that too.

You know.

I know what I say, and I know at least most of I'm gonna use a bad word here, mister Mormon, at least most of the bullshit that comes out of my mouth it was with other people, right, you know, right, And so I've got that going for me.

It's you know what stories, you know, like the ghost here, and so anything that I do alone, I kind of keep it to myself.

I'll share a few things, but when you're by yourself, it's just flapping jaws, man, right, your uncle that let the you know, the shark get away, but he had it, he reeled it in.

Well, who was with you, Uncle Bob?

Nobody?

Okay, so there you go.

Oh man, John, stay right there.

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So your grandfather and your dad shared some tales.

What were they?

Yeah, so, well, my dad had experiences growing you know, in the house when we grew up.

What was funny is that he really never shared any of those with us till we were older.

But you know, one that comes to mind that it was kind of funny.

It was a.

Saturday morning, my mom and sister were gone.

Me and my brother were in the basement watching Saturday morning cartoons like you do when you're a kid.

And my dad yells downstairs and he says, bring back my shoelaces, you two, And.

We look at each other and we haven't left the basement.

And he had ordered, you know, from Gabella's, the catalog back in the day when you had to you know, call on the phone and give your credit card.

Before all this, he had ordered some new hunting boots and they had shown up.

He put the boots on.

The table, turned around to get the scissors to cut the tie on the laces off, and when he turned back around, the laces were gone, and he's like he, like I said, he yells downstairs for me and my brother to bring back his laces, and we haven't left the basement, and we're like, we've been down here the whole time.

And he looks all over the house and cannot find those laces anywhere, and he's still cussing us.

And he's finally like, fine, you know what, off to get new laces whatever, And he went outside to go mow the lawn.

And on the front porch, on our little we had a little.

Picnic table out there.

The tie had been removed and his shoelaces were hanging perfectly on the table outside, and none of us had even been outside.

There was a few things like that that happened that with moving objects that were just really strange.

For example, when I was little, I had this airplane and it was a metal airplane and i'd been playing with it.

I can't remember how old, I was probably only four, and I put the airplane down on the table and I turned around to get a drink of water.

Same place actually in the case, and I got to drink of water and come turn back around.

My plane is.

Gone, but in its place is a cap gun.

And I picked it up and I looked around and nobody's around.

I go to my mom and I try and explain to her, and she looks at it and it's a cap gun from the nineteen twenties, like an old cap gun, and she's.

Like, just go play with this, I guess.

So things like that would happen where you would have something go missing, and sometimes something would come show up in its place that was from a different era, which was very strange.

I love that when it happened.

Yeah, yeah, I love that I have.

This is actually it.

This is a Harley Davidson.

What camera am I on?

I'm on this one Harley Davidson.

Its thick.

It's a keychain thing, right, and so I get it and I'm like, oh man, So I cut the loop off and I was going to glue this on my one of my helmets, right, So I put it on my island in the kitchen.

My house is clean, everything I know where it, and it's just sitting in the middle of this island that's got nothing.

It's just sitting there.

And for a couple of weeks I was walking down to in the morning to have coffee.

You know, just got up and I walked by, and I'd see this and go, oh man, today, I'm going to glue that on.

I'm going to glue that on.

A couple of weeks go by and I just didn't glue it on my helmet.

But it's sitting there on my island.

Come down for coffee.

It's gone.

I was like, man, you know, and I look around.

It's gone.

It's gone.

I'm like, did it fall?

It is on the floor.

I can't find it.

It's gone.

A couple of weeks go by, I come down for coffee's back on the island, and I I just went, man, okay, all right, okay, whatever you know.

And you just kind of got to blow it off now, you know.

I tell the story when I hear things like what you just said, it's not a surprise to me.

You know.

I don't call that paranormal.

I call that normal.

Right, It's when the paranormal is pretty much just normal for you.

That's how I grew up.

I thought, you know what I thought.

I thought.

I moved it into the garage and put it on my workbench to prep put in that I forgot about it.

That's what I thought.

I thought I put it somewhere and I've forgotten.

But when it showed back up on the island, right, and I know I didn't find it and put it back, that's when I you know, And now I just leave it in here in the studio to mind me of that.

And you know that was last year.

It never made it onto a helmet, but yeah, that's you know, and how many of us just going it's my.

Memory, right, I spaced it.

I spaced it.

But the cap gun part and your mom didn't know where that came from.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

Weird.

It wasn a I mean, and and it was it was from the nineteen twenties and it looked brand new.

That was what was also really weird.

It wasn't like it was it'd been sitting for a long time.

It was it looked brand new.

So yeah, just strange things like that.

What about your grandfather, so that goes back another generation.

Well, my grandfather had this very cool story, which is actually a UFO story.

So, uh, he was World War Two, it came back and then he worked for years and years for the State.

Road Crew where.

You know in the summer they worked on roads fixed him and then at winter he was the snowplow one of the snowploud drivers.

Well, there's an area not far from here, it's called Sardine Canyon, and they were in the it was in the fifties and they were in the process of redoing part of the road up there, and him and his crew went up there in the morning and somebody was like, oh, hey, look at the mountain, because just just to the east of where they were working is this little mountain, not super big because the big mountains right behind him.

Because they're going through the canyon, and what looks like this silver thing sitting at the top of the hill.

And they were watching it and they're like, oh, it looks like just like one of those silver weather balloons has crashed right there, and so you know, they're like, oh, you know.

And they went back to work and it got to be lunchtime, and my grandpa was like, I had a hike up there and see, you know, what was on that or what's going on?

And he thought about it, and then you not, No, I'm just gonna finish my lunch.

And and so he finishes his lunch, they go back to work, and they finish up and their headed.

They get in their trucks and they're headed back to the sheds, which.

Is up in the other direction, and the truck in front of him slams on their brakes and the guys jump out and start pointing.

So they all stop and get out, and this thing that had been sitting on that hill all day started glowing orange, and then it lifted off of the mountain and it silently went over and right over the top of them, just glowing orange.

Okay, and then just before it got to the main mountains, it shot up into the air and disappeared, was gone.

And so his whole thing was, you know, what would have happened if I'd have gone up there to see what was going on during the day.

You know, who knows what would have happened.

But it's it's kind of a crazy story.

So what what what?

What?

What does he think it was?

Does he does he go with me?

Does he go with the.

Yeah, he just just said it was UFO.

And was he he Mormon?

Yeah, he was obs.

But here's the other thing with that, all right, here's the elephant in the room.

Mormons, you guys come from aliens.

Yeah, not sure.

Explain that one to me if you will.

If you will, Okay, this is what you should do after the show.

You mean at LDS, they don't talk about this, you were never.

Told that we we I know that we do believe that there are other worlds out there for sure.

Yeah, other worlds and and this isn't the only place that has intelligence.

Okay, google google Mormons and aliens in the Book of Mormon.

After the show, I saw, I saw the Ancient Alien Show when they were talking about that a little bit too, and about all the other religions and their thoughts on that, which was kind of interesting for sure.

So yeah, yeah, yeah I can.

I can hear Robert Clotworthy now Salt Lake City, Utah, nineteen hundred.

Yeah, yeah, I can hear that show.

He's the best.

I remember the first time that he called me as many many years ago.

He calls me on the phone.

I was at Costco.

I'm parking my car at Costco and he calls his numbers and I pick up the phone.

He goes, Jimmy, Robert Clotworthy.

I was like, dude, say that again, Just say that again, say Jimmy, Church and Alien theorists agree, just say that for me once he did right right there in the phone.

Yeah, that's cool.

Yeah, he's the best I found.

I found this weekend.

I opened up a drawer in my bedroom cleaning out stuff, right and there's an autograph script from Robert Clotworthy.

I forgot that I had it.

Oh yeah, we're.

Talking about him right now.

That's you know, that's the other thing.

The universe is trippy.

Synchronicities, coincidences are not synchronicities are real?

Coincidences are synchronicities?

To me, these are things that you need to be aware of.

But do you believe that all of these things are connected?

Yeah?

I do, honestly.

There's just been too many things in my life where, you know, I have yet to meet anybody who have not has not had this very thing happen to them, where they were like, oh man, I haven't talked to this friend in forever, and then they call them or they're contacted by them shortly thereafter.

Maybe somebody haven't talked to any year or something.

But there's definitely something out there that kind of connects us all, and in that for sure, I Yeah, I just don't believe in coincidence, especially huge coincidences, for sure.

Well, you don't the people that are critics are debunkers of this subject.

Whatever, I don't back on them.

Do your own thing, you know, just whatever makes you happy.

But people that don't think that there's anything else to this reality, when something like that happens to them, they blow it off.

And it happens to them, right, it happens to everybody, But there are those out there that, ah, whatever, just a just a coincidence.

No, it's not.

Yeah, it's not.

If you haven't spoken to somebody in ten years and he pops or she pops in your mind that morning and the phone rings, what do you think is going on?

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

I Mean, it's just so many weird things like that that that happen that are just just weird coincidences, you know that that aren't coincidences in my my fault.

Like, So here's one that's that's kind of happens so identical twins.

My wife happens to be an identical twin, and she don't have days where she's just like, all of a sudden, she's like really angry, and I'm like and then later on like her sister'll call her and and she her sister has had a fight with her ex husband, or she's had a fight with somebody, or you know, right around that exact same time that all of a sudden, my wife was like, I'm just I.

Just punched the wall and I don't know why.

And so, you know, there's connections like that through all of us, which is just just weird.

We're all entangled.

Yeah, you know, I just the more that I look into this, I'm trying to get to the answers.

I don't have all the answers.

I may not have any answers, but the more that I look into this, the more questions that I have.

But if I've figured something out, everything is connected.

Everything is entangled since the dawn of time, across the vastness of the universe, everything is connected.

And that's it.

Now, Why and how and who?

And what are the answers and what's the science behind it?

I don't I don't know, But that's that's that's when it comes to Bigfoot and UFOs happening at the same time.

I'm you know, ghost and this and cryptids and shadow beings, the man with the hat whatever it is, right, they all seem to be connected.

There's something causing it that is fundamental, but we just don't know.

Yeah.

So I had a conversation with the gentleman once who he was strictly you know, I don't believe.

I don't believe in any of this, like and like, I'm just like you.

I'm like, you know what, to each their own is fine.

And this was funny because he came at me and he says, you know, well, you know there are people out there who claim they're seeing this slender man now, which we all know is a made up character in there.

And he's like, how do you explain that?

And you know, I said, I said, I know that people encounter things, especially in the wilderness.

Yes, that will take on the form that somebody is thinking of or something that somebody's afraid of.

And just because they saw a slender man, that doesn't mean it was fake.

It just means whatever they saw was capable of taking on that image because they knew that image was going to get the most response out of them.

You know, it doesn't debunk anything to me, because you know, in the Middle Ages, they may have seen something completely different, just because whatever it is can take that whatever formant wants to, if that makes sense.

Well, it reminds me of that movie The Forbidden Planet, and the monster that was terrorizing them was manifesting, created from their own mind, the most terrifying thing that you can think of.

They generate.

Yeah, and yeah, manifesting this kind of stuff.

Again, it's just so fundamental.

We tell these stories today and we have these experiences and we see things.

We're not inventing anything, we're not creating anything.

This is nothing new.

They told the same stories in Greek mythology.

Right right, Yeah, Yeah, that's why I love folklore too, because in a lot of ways that's a mirror image of what we go through now, just seen through the lens of people from a different time, and so it gives you another perspective on everything, which I just love that.

And a lot of the people that I know that study folklore, they're not interested in what's true and what's not true.

They're interested in what the stories tell about us, you know what I mean.

And again, it's just through the lens of how we see the world.

I had I spoke to somebody who lived near Skinwalker Ranch.

They owned a they own a convenience store up there with the family and he's telling me.

He says, I'm just gonna just repeat it.

He goes, we have a red glowing eye dog with no legs that lives in the barn behind our house.

What what?

Yeah, how often do you see this?

And he goes, well, we pulled up to the house the other day he was in front, and we watched him in the headlights, run around the house in front of us and go back into the barn.

And what did you do?

We went in the house.

What do you mean, what are you gonna can't do anything about it?

What are you gonna do?

You know?

We just live with it.

And you hear these stories, these these skinwalker you know type things from Utah very common.

Do you have any skin walker stories?

I do.

One thing I want to mention about that too, is I think the phrase skin walker has become a umbrella, for sure, an umbrella term for a lot.

Of things that happened.

But for example, this one I believe would definitely fall under a skin walker story.

There was a young.

Lady who she would travel through this canyon.

It was up here in Idaho, these two small towns and there's a canyon between them and this canyon is very It's called Weston Canyon, and it is very paranormally active.

I have a lot of stories from this one little small canyon.

But she had been babysitting for her sister that lived at one town, and she was going back home.

It was late, and she comes around the corner and her headlights hit this very emaciated old Native American man with a robe over him, and as she pulls by him, he gives her just this really creepy smile.

She freaks out, you know, and kind of speeds up and gets about a mile down the road and comes around the corner and this same man with the same robe is standing there on the side of the road again and kind of gives her another creepy smile.

And so stuff like that is definitely falls along with kind of along those lines, because how in the heck did he get that far down the road?

He kind of.

Matched that same energy and stuff.

So yeah, and there's been a few stories like that, and especially with I talked to an individual who is I'm still trying to get him to give me permission to write a story where him and his friend had to run in with and he had friends on the Navajo reservation and one night they had to run in with basically a skinwalker that was attacking the house.

And but he's he still won't give me the stories.

I can't share a lot of the details yet because I would love to put that in my book.

I have a couple of stories like that where I'm still trying to work with the people to get me permissioned.

But yeah, there's definitely stories that will fall under that that very much skinwalker type.

And it's about who's telling the story, you know, and and where you just need to accept it and say, I was my brother's wife, my brother, right, his wife and their daughter, right, the two of them were at a restaurant, or maybe he was in front of his house.

We were having dinner, doesn't matter, but the two of them are.

So her name is Mary, my brother's wife, and she she goes this one time when and she I don't want to say her daughter's name, she's younger, but anyway, she goes, we were we were driving in the woods.

This is up in northern in a remote part of northern California.

We're driving out in the middle of nowhere, and we there was a man standing on the side of the road where there's nothing around us, and we slowed the car down and stopped, and he stepped out into the street and faces and he had a long trench coat on.

We couldn't see his face, but his chest was purple and orange glowing flames.

Wow.

Wow.

And her daughter goes, remember that that was crazy.

And he stopped the car and then he turned and kept on walking.

I said, what would what?

Yeah, he had this flame.

He was like a hole and he was on fire, and he had a trench coat on.

I think they said he had a hat.

Anyway, he stopped the car and then kept on walking as his mother and daughter right my brother's wife telling this story.

And I think the daughter at the time she was I think she was around ten or eleven years old.

But that's the story, you know, out in the middle of nowhere, where this person just pops up and then stops the car and then keeps on going, didn't ask for help, didn't attack him, you know, and didn't do an ask.

So what do you guys do?

Man?

We yelled and screamed and then and drove them.

Never happened again, Never happened.

Yeah.

So one of the strangest stories that I ever collected.

Was from this gentleman.

And when I it's been a long time ago that I interviewed him, and just you know, he was It's a very strange story, but I'm telling you he believed what he saw.

I'll put it that way.

He believed what happened.

So when he was a teenager, and this is in the early eighties, him and his brother and his father were supposed to go deer honey, but both of them woke up sick, and so he said, I'm gonna go anyway.

I'm you know, I'm dying.

I'm gonna go.

I'm excited.

It was the opener.

And so he goes up towards this area of Bear Lake, which is near not too far from me.

Bear Lake is a big lake that's between half of it's in Idaho, half of it's in Utah, and he is just east of that.

Well, he hikes in.

It's about a half an hour hike over to where he wanted to sit and just watch the hillside where the deer move around.

And he's sitting there with the binoculars and he's watching and below him is this opening where there's no trees.

It's just kind of some brush and about one hundred yards two hundred yards maybe, and he's been watching all morning, and it's getting to be about ten o'clock, so he's gonna get up and move and he notices in this little opening there's a guy standing there, and he looks at him with the binoculars and he the guy is facing away from him.

He's very tall.

He's in a pale yellow.

Suit with.

Like a hat, like a fifties kind of you know, weird hat.

And he watches the guy and for about twenty minutes, never sees the guy move, and so he's like, very curious, what the heck is going on?

This is very unusual.

Never saw the guy come in or out, just showed up there.

He walked down there, and he's trying to be noisy so he doesn't scare the guy, but the guy hasn't moved.

He walks up to.

Him and he says, you know, he says, excuse me, and the guy kind of jumps and turns and looks at him, and he's in a yellow suit with a yellow tie and a suitcase and this hat.

Oh man, and he says.

He's a tall, really tall guy, and he's got like alopecieria.

He doesn't have a single hair, no, no eyebrows, nothing under his hat anything, And he the guy looks confused, and the kid says, you know, are you okay?

He goes, I seem to have misplaced myself and the kid goes, what you mean, you're lost?

And he goes, yes, I am lost.

And the guy says, can you point me to the nearest township, which is nobody says that you know?

And he says, and the kid says, well, yeah, if you go down this way about five miles is lake town and and the guy says, thank you very much, and then walks out and walks into the trees and disappears.

WHOA, He's dumbfounded.

The kid, uh, he notices that.

He says, it's really weird because there's this strange electrical burning smell that didn't match anything that was going on.

He walked around to see where this guy had walked in.

There's no tracks coming in, it's just his tracks just appeared in the middle of this area.

I'm out of there.

I'm out.

I know, I'm out.

I'm out.

No eyebrows, I'm gone.

No nothing.

So he leaves and he is maybe half an hour forty minutes from there to his vehicle to leave.

It was ten o'clock when he spotted the guy.

He said, it maybe took him ten fifteen minutes down to walk down to the guy.

He looked around for a couple of minutes and then left.

But when he.

Gets to his car or to his vehicle, it's now four o'clock in the afternoon.

So what should have taken him about forty five minutes took him four hours.

He's missing some time in there.

There's he doesn't know where it went.

And he drives home and he's just like, I I told my dad.

My dad told me not to tell anybody.

You know, he's seventeen at the time, and he says, so I really didn't tell anybody this story.

He goes and he kind of came to me because he's like, have you ever heard of anything like this?

And I was like, no, that's way past anything I've.

Ever heard of.

So, you know, it's it's just straight, where did this guy come from?

Well?

Who was he?

You know, it's so weird.

That's such a strange story.

And then we had well, okay, but but there's there's more to this story.

There's a Mormon twist to this story.

Shall I elaborate?

Well, you're gonna elaborate.

You got the Bear Lake monster.

Yeah, that's a Mormon.

That's a Mormon story, and.

It's right, yeah, it's it's part of the Mormon folklore from there.

And so it's funny that you mentioned that because I had a gentleman not too long ago, a couple of years ago, give me a copy photo copy of.

This.

He was Brigham Young's assistant.

Okay, Brigham Young was the original Mormon leader that brought everybody over to the West from Aliens.

They were doing this trip where they went through Cash Valley and everything to meet all of the settlements to see how they were doing, and they ended in Bear Lake before heading back, and his his journal reads about, oh, yeah, you know, we talked to him about they need this many sheep, and you know, they lost this many cattle, and they've had a problems with a couple of problems with the natives, and there's a monster in the lake that continues to eat their sheep.

Isabella, Isabella.

The monster's name is ill right, memory.

I just never called the Bear Lake monsters, okay.

Right, I think I think she's a she yeah Isabella.

Yeah so and yeah, so that's funny.

Like in the middle of his thing about talking about normal things, he's like, there's a monster in the lake and it's eating their sheep and they would like somebody to come up and try and trap it, and then they then he just.

Goes on with his story, which is kind of funny.

But did did the signings of Isabella the bear like monster?

Do they do?

They still happen?

Uh No, they haven't in a long time.

No, they haven't in a very long time.

So who knows.

I know that there's there's also a lot of folklore up there, uh involved around you know, there's ghosts, and it's a it's a deep lake and it's an ancient lake.

Too, very much like.

Uh oh, the one that's near the California border Nevada.

Why is it lost me at the moment, but it's it's an ancient lake from the original snow caps from when you know, after the Plyceisne and all the the snow melted up.

It's an ancient deed.

Yeah, yeah, yep, it's big.

So yeah, not not as far as I can tell.

There hasn't been in several years, but quite a few years.

I think the eighties was the last time I remember reading one about that.

But yeah, it's it's a fascinating place.

I love going up there because it's just so beautiful.

It's it's a very cold lake even you know, in August.

It's really cool running into David Byrne from the Talking Heads, you know, and yellows that that's that's good stuff, man, and that's it is.

And the prints that go to nowhere.

Yeah.

Well, which which which brings to the obvious question.

It's for me we've talked about, right, my disappearing house or whatever these things is it is a portals?

Is a vortexas you know?

Is is that what's going on?

Did the zoot suit David Byrne?

Dude?

I said, David Byrne, David, is he walking into a portal?

Are our bigfoot big feet?

Right?

Are they going in and out of UFOs?

Uh?

Skin Walker?

Is there portal activity up there?

You know, there's got to be something to that, because, you know, especially because of where I am and where you know, there's a lot of wilderness around me.

A lot of the stories that I've gathered have a lot to do with the wilderness and the weird things that happen up there.

And the more I learn and the more I hear, the more I wonder if there is not something like that going on out there where people are wandering in and out of portals, and where something like Bigfoot maybe coming in and out of the portals, maybe even Bigfoot.

I you know, I.

As much as I study Bigfoot and as much as I interview people about their stories, I've never had an experience, even though I would love to.

I'm on the fence.

I'm still like, I don't know, because there's there's two camps out there, and they're very they're very much against each other in the Bigfoot world.

People that believe it is just an animal, you know, flesh and blood, and then those that believe that there's a paranormal entity to it, whether it's portals, UFOs or anything like that.

So who knows.

Yeah, there's another reality out there.

There is it's right in front of us.

It's just out of focus, out of you know what I mean, out of frequency range, but it's it's this but just a couple of digits off, you know, and there's something else going on out there.

I did I don't want to turn this into a drug thing.

But check this out and that DMT is not a drug, it's a tool.

But I haven't talked about this yet on the air.

All right, but a couple of weeks ago, I did a session, okay, and I'm going to share this with everybody for the first time.

But this is the connection to another reality.

Okay, it's just bizarre.

So I'm in the middle of this session and my eyes are closed, and I am going through a portal kind of like a wormhole, and I'm following it.

And my intention that I set for this particular session was show me the universe.

Show me I need some answers for the universe.

So I'm flying like Superman.

I'm like this and I'm going through this too, like just like what you see in the movies, right, this thing, and I'm going through okay, but this is what happens, and it happens at least four times.

Okay, trip on this.

I see coming at me from the opposite direction down this wormhole tube, a shooting star and I see it fluttering and I can kind of hear it, and it's coming at me and it's white.

Right, Okay, listen, to me, it hits my nose.

I watch it and it goes boop, and I feel it hit my nose and and I was like, whoa, Okay, so I'm doing my thing, but it physically it hit my right and and so anyway, no, I'm not making this up.

So and I'm continuing, I'm doing this thing, and I see another one boop and it's fun, it's cool, but it was physical.

And it happened like four times, at least four times boop, boo, little tap, little like being kissed by the baby Jesus, this little boop.

Now, now here's here's where this this thing, this veil between another dimension, another reality, and us gets a little bit blurred because this was physical and I saw it before it happened.

You know, I saw it coming at me like a firefly or whatever.

You see the firefly right and they hit you.

What Okay, So you see it and then you feel it.

That's what was happening, is that reality I was in and it was physical.

And so when we talk about these experiences and these things and David Byrne in the zoot suit, these are you know what I mean, that's that reality?

Did he just disappear.

No, he was.

He's it's just that he just came into us for that brief moment.

I'm lost, Yeah, because he's he stepped into our world.

Yeah yeah, and he's he didn't end up where he was supposed to be or where he wanted to be, but he was.

Yeah, it's it's it's weird that way, and I do I like, I definitely believe that there are times when when that physical, that realm between fins or opens up and strange things can.

Occur like that.

Are you okay with it?

Oh?

Yeah, it's amazing.

I love it.

Actually, I love the idea that there's more out there than just what we can see most of the time.

I remember, so I'm in the car this long time ago, because my kids are mostly grown up now, but I had my oldest son, my youngest son in the car, and my youngest son says, Dad, is is magic real?

And before I can say anything, my older son.

Who was a teenager at the sun at the time, says right, because of course, of course not, magic isn't real, And I and my son's face in the back.

My younger son kind of fell and I looked at my older son and I looked at my younger son and I said, I said, what kind of a sad world would we live in if magic wasn't real?

And my older son kind of rolled his eyes, but my younger son, you know, his face lit up because I still believe that we live in a world of magic.

And what I say that, I mean paranormal, I mean weird.

I believe there are so many things out there that we don't know yet that we're just starting to understand.

And and like we have you know, they're now they're talking about UFOs and in Congress and in all of this, and and people are just catching up to those of us who have studied it for years.

Kind of a deal.

And so yeah, I I I get excited about the idea that there's more in the world than just what I can see most of the time.

Yeah, the boop, the boop, that's so important.

The boop is huge.

Man, I write a Harley plural.

I love Pantera and Ramstein and heavy metal music.

Boo.

I don't give a crap, man, I just don't.

There's something going on.

You talk about the Faye and you talk about fairies, and we talk about you know what, these things, but.

There.

We don't we we don't we don't know anything.

We don't understand anything.

Open up your mind and go out there and see this beautiful place and going and there's a whole world out there that we know absolutely nothing about.

And I love experiencing it.

Yeah, I do too.

I always turn, you know, whenever one of my friends or somebody I'm talking to says, oh, well, you know, they've proven that we can't, you know, travel faster than the speed of light and all of this stuff, and I chuckle and I tell them, you know, in nineteen oh one, the president of the Patent Office wrote a letter to the President saying we should close the patent Office because everything that's ever going to be invented has already been invented.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a true story.

Yeah, nothing left to learn, nothing left to learn.

That's before, you know, we had airplanes and all this stuff.

Yeah, thirty years later, we're dropping atomic bombs, right, yeah, rockets, jet engines, stereo radio, television.

Just just a couple of decades later.

Yeah.

And you know, one of my favorite lines, and it comes from a silly movie, which is the Men in Black movie, when Tommy Lee Jones is like, you know, five hundred years ago, everybody knew that the world was flat.

You know, you know, two hundred years ago, everybody knew we would never fly right.

One hundred years ago, everybody knew we weren't going to go to the moon.

What do we not going to know tomorrow?

You know what I mean?

It's and we just continue to learn, and we're just infants when it comes to this world of the unknown.

And so then my thought is that one day, not that I care what people think, but maybe I'll be seen more as man he was on the cutting edge rather than man he was a weirdo kind of a deal.

There is a Okay, I don't want to go off on a Hollywood tangent, but I'm going to share this with you and the audience.

There is a new movie out called Bougonia, all right, and with Emma Stone who I love and Jesse Plemmons.

Watch this movie.

Watch this movie.

And if you read the description of the movie, because it's exactly what we're talking about.

If you read the description of this movie, like ah man, now no, no, watch this movie.

Best ending I've seen in Hollywood in a long time.

And the premise of the movie that you find out in the very very very beginning.

Jesse Plemons is this guy that works for this big, big Silicon Valley company, right but he's in the shipping and receiving department.

But he believes that and you don't, you know, you gotta watch the whole movie.

This is the very beginning.

He believes that the CEO of this company, Emma Stone and she's perfect for the part, is an alien, okay, and so he kidnaps her, okay, and that I'm gonna leave it at that.

That's a that's at the very beginning of the movie, all right.

And then man, you get to the end, the end end of the movie, and you're like, what, so just just go Now what I haven't given anything away?

Is she?

Is she not?

Is he crazy?

Is this?

And that is it?

This is it?

Imagine?

Is a conspiracy?

Is it the Internet or whatever?

None of that matters.

Watch the movie and get to the end, because it that the last the last five minutes ten minutes of the movie.

There's there's a half a dozen one hundred and eighty degree flips.

Right, I mean you're like, well, what what Okay?

I thought, Oh I thought, I thought, I thought what what what But it's exactly what we're talking about here.

What is real?

Right?

What does Jesse perceive in his bubble as reality?

What does she perceive as reality?

What do we all?

And is there something else beyond the veil?

Yeah?

Man, go and watch it.

Go.

It just just just Bogonia, b u g o n i A Bogonia.

It's incredible.

Has anybody seen it?

Has anybody seen it?

Well?

I wanted to see it, but I haven't seen it yet, but I'm going to.

So Okay, I'm asking no esperanza, no spoiler, baby, I wouldn't do that to you.

No.

Based on a Japanese film called Save the Green Planet.

Really don't know Bogonia.

So Bogoni b u g o n I A.

Go and watch it?

Do it.

It's you can thank me later.

It's absolutely incredible.

So uh oh oh, So I kind of wanted to get to this and we've kind of run out of time.

But but Bigfoot is another Bigfoot, and the time that we have left, Bigfoot is a much bigger community than the UFO community.

It's it's you know what I mean, And it's it's such a huge subject.

Outside of that, have you had a bigfoot sighting and how much of that happens up there.

It happens up here a lot.

I have no not had one.

The closest I came, me and my youngest son there was in a certain time in the spring.

I think it's may the roads open up, because then the snow's gone and you you don't dig them up.

So they wait and open those roads.

And so the saturday they opened, me and my son went up.

We love to go rock hounding and just exploring, and we came.

Across some tracks.

They were not in an area where you could cast the tracks.

They were along in through the dirt, but it wasn't it was no clear spots where I could get a cast of it.

But it was very obvious to me that it looked like a you know, a large bipedal person, you know, individual had come through, which was very cool.

But yeah, I definitely with the number of people that I've interviewed, that I've talked to, they had experiences.

I know that there's something with it for sure.

What I'm not sure, like I say, whether it's a physical creature or or dimensional or both or you know, I am not sure.

I'm on the fence.

I will tell you this.

I just recently watched a show.

It's called American Sasquatch.

It's brand new, and they dive into that really well.

They did a good job in that it's done by David Politis, and they talk about both of those aspects, whether it could be a physical creature or metaphysical and without giving you an answer, they just talk about both.

And so that's a subject that I love and would love to have an experience but have not yet.

Yeah, I haven't either.

I haven't.

And I spend a lot of time in the mountains and I have since I was young, but still haven't.

So there's part of me that would love to go.

I've sort of squatched.

I haven't officially squatched, but I've halfway squatched.

But if you go out and you're and you're doing that with the intentions of, right, what do you do if it happens there?

You know, and I've I've I've said, oh man, you know, yeah, okay, I don't know if I would cut and run?

You know?

Uh, do you reach out and try to shake hands?

You know?

I don't know.

But there's there's part of me that because I've seen the same thing I've seen footprint.

The first time I saw a print, the hair stood up in the back of mind.

I mean, I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.

And I've always been on the fence.

But this is what I'm on the fence about.

The phenomenon itself is real?

Is it a mix of a couple of things?

Is they're just a flesh and bones species we haven't discovered yet, that's out living in the woods and avoiding humans because they're good at it.

Okay, very possible, very possible.

Is it an interdimensional being that visits us and goes back?

Why we see footprints start and end but we don't see you know, and bigfoot runs into the woods and then disappears and you try to chase it.

How many times have we heard these stories?

And then we have the Patterson Gimlin film, which to me is authentic.

I think it's real, but or is it a mix of both?

That is confusing the situation for everybody.

I don't know.

The phenomenon is real, but I haven't experienced it myself.

I haven't.

Yeah, same with me.

Yeah, I'm on the fence.

I don't know, I can I That's why I keep studying it, keep interviewing people and try and figuring it out.

Would you squatch?

Have you squatched?

I have a little bit one thing that I've noticed, at least in my research, the.

People who go out and look for him and do that.

They may have, you know, a wood knock or a sound, but very rarely do they have an interaction.

The vast majority, in fact, everybody that I've ever interviewed who have had a sighting, it's been accidental.

You know what.

They're in the mountains, they come around the corner, they do this or that, and and you just run into each other.

And so it makes me wonder about you know, if I go out and you look and look and look, then maybe they're able to avoid you.

I don't know, but yeah, it's it's it's interesting.

I have gone out before and again never seen anything.

I'm not opposed to it.

I go out, Like I said, I'm in the mountains all the time throughout the year, so I always had my eyes and hope.

So yeah, I know, me too, me too, me too.

I just don't know what I would do.

I don't know, I don't know.

Probably I woulds out.

I think i'd jump in the car and split.

You know that's just me.

Hey, you know, John, where can everybody chase down your work and buy your books?

So all of my books are available on Amazon under the Stranger Bridgelan book series and they're available softback, hardback, Kindle.

And Audible on all of those.

And then my website is Strangerbridgeland dot com.

You can get in contact me with me and find out where I'll be speaking and doing some of my stuff.

And then yeah, and it's also got a list on there of my social media I do with Facebook and Instagram and all that fun stuff.

So and I love to hear from anybody with stories.

So great conversation tonight, Yeah, great, great time, and I look forward to the next time that you're on with us.

John.

Thank you so much, my friend.

Thank you so much, and thanks for having me on anytime, anytime.

Jimmy, You're the best.

Thank you, John.

Have a great night you too, perfect night on the show, great way to start the week.

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