[SPEAKER_01]: Hello and welcome to a thousand natural shocks about with money podcast.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Gabe Dunn.

[SPEAKER_01]: And today we have another one of my activist friends on the ground in Los Angeles, Taylor Smith.

[SPEAKER_01]: Taylor was an accountant in the film industry before all of this went down.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she has been with me on the ground, same as Eddie who you met last week.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she is someone who is very loud and fearless.

[SPEAKER_01]: and raise my voice.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I can get a little bit scared about being on the megaphone.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried about what I'm going to say.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Taylor is just someone who has been able to communicate with the DHS and ICE and police in a way that I aspire to.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk about this in the episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: This episode is mostly about responding to the violence that is being done against us with humor and with maybe a future full of memes and ridiculousness as a way to fight back against how serious and bleak and I mean violent things have become.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of our great hopes is being able to allow Trump's foot soldiers to see that what they're doing is immoral.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's unethical.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's inhumane.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's something that they don't have to be doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So please enjoy this conversation with Taylor.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was real fun.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will say the sound is [SPEAKER_01]: because Taylor is coming to us live from City Hall where one of our friends is on trial for allegedly throwing an umbrella at a DHS agent if you can believe it.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's obviously not guilty, but we are waiting right now for the verdict, the jury's in deliberation.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Taylor is at the courthouse waiting to hear what's gonna happen to our friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why she came in on her phone and there's some noise in the background.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's activism on the ground, baby.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we're both sort of anxiously awaiting a verdict.

[SPEAKER_01]: And in the meantime, she talked to us about the work that she's been doing and her viewpoint on how to resist.

[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you so much Taylor and please enjoy this interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you when they got you to believe in Them and finger held to their forehead And an hell show, trapped in a cover The sales came lit, fight back in I've seen talks about class in the past Cost of the disaster, brought to ashes Not spack at the box It's a thousand natural shocks A bad with money podcast [SPEAKER_01]: Hello, and welcome to a thousand natural shocks a show about Fuck everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host Gabe Dunn and with me today live from city hall We have Taylor Smith.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to tell us who you are and what you do and then also where you are?

[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, hi everyone.

[SPEAKER_03]: My name is Taylor Smith.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am just a girl a motto and activist also kind of an Organizer and this crazy world that we're in right now [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I am currently outside the federal building because another, oh, organize their teammate friend of mine.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I rested by the HS and she had her last day of court today.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we're willing to hear back from the jury.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you have me alive in the field.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm pointing to your back from the jury.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, reporting live deeply anxious deeply anxious, so okay, so when did you start getting involved with all of this stuff downtown was that like the first thing that you went to or how did you start getting involved in all of what we're doing just the back of the truck for those who can't see me I am a black woman and I'm a part of that 92% we set the black woman.

[SPEAKER_03]: American kind of plan on too and they were very much like this is our fight.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was not a possibility we do we were supposed to deal for you know all of the years especially for this moment so but basically we were sitting at the point out and so I lasted until about mid February.

[SPEAKER_03]: About mid February I lasted on that high horse and I was like okay yeah I know I got to do something but I took my time I you know mainly with the educational bit like we've been here before that's not a secret to like how to be the out of this place [SPEAKER_03]: And also like what's going on in the city, so I was trying to get more plugged in on fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: Philly, I lived in Chicago, so I'm really in that plugged in with LA, so I took February March to really get plugged in.

[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't until that first big raid downtown, well, and I've been downtown, and I think there were two big raids, one fashion district, and one, I forget where else.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I was after June 6th, is when I was like, okay, it's time for us to get out, I'm [SPEAKER_03]: on the 101.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the big tale we all just got super brutalized.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it was truly after that moment I realized okay we're in war, this is this is the woman's march.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not 20 it's that safe the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not child's play.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like this is real life war.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's time for us to step up me and another friend of mine Eddie who I'm sure you will interview or having a beauty and I [SPEAKER_03]: Just started doing things and showing up that we would see a flyer to, you know, come join this group in this organization at this time for this meeting.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we said, OK, and eventually, that led us to our maker, Marcus team that I mentioned led us to Delta, the 10th and 10th or 535 in the front of the middle street, and that eventually led us to organizing a play button folks and realizing that, [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we have to do something, not just these nature organizations, it's everyone has to do something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you're someone who, as I did interview Eddie, but you're someone that I look to as being a bit fearless towards DHS and the police and my image of you like seared in my head is you just kind of like yelling at different officers.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, can we talk a bit about you getting to that place?

[SPEAKER_03]: I went to school in Chicago for college.

[SPEAKER_03]: Film school, Columbia College of Cago, what, like, go Chicago, whatever I mean, whatever I'm asked about is for one.

[SPEAKER_03]: But my first March, what's a woman's wish?

[SPEAKER_03]: And it was in Chicago.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, of course, in Chicago, so chill when it comes to promoting that thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: The realization that we have about here and other cities have [SPEAKER_03]: We really didn't have it in Chicago.

[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: Parts of the truth brutality is that everywhere, but when it came to protesting in Chicago, we were allowed to do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: They would have to have a little bike, a little bus, and they would keep us in the street or on the sidewalk, or we had to eat, and that was that.

[SPEAKER_03]: So getting to a place of yelling at Feliz was when I, after a journey, this is when I realized that we were at war.

[SPEAKER_03]: They were going to shoot that last amount of what.

[SPEAKER_03]: They were going to tear gas last amount of what.

[SPEAKER_03]: And friends when I first and I met right now what?

[SPEAKER_03]: And to Eddie's credit, you have to get that group on a camera and you have to get them staying.

[SPEAKER_03]: And once I realized that, and I'm very good at using people's words against them.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if you want to offer me a telling me that you're just here for staging, I will literally go, hmm.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we had a protest a week ago, and you guys want to hear staging, you guys were actually on two blocks away, stations while you're here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm very good at the recall of it all.

[SPEAKER_03]: And also, when you realize that these cops are just guys, they're like, don't be wrong again, they have fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they have all these things.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was not going to do 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, and just guys walking towards me right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: But once you realize that they're just like people and truly the entire world is watching.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's kind of like talking about, I get nervous, I get scared, there's plenty of times [SPEAKER_03]: LAPD's in my face and like, oh, we're going to do this.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, go for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's four people on Instagram live behind me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Go for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And once you show them that you're not that scared, and once you show them, like, hey, but you're doing the whole wrong is locker.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if you want to rescue right now for standing here, please wait for this TikTok to talk live or person to come over, but after they come over, go for it.

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll [SPEAKER_01]: And I always get nervous for you because you are a black woman, but like the level to which you are just like move along move along to like the police.

[SPEAKER_03]: I will say in this moment, it's so important to know your rights and it's so important to know what we are and are not doing wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: And what you code you are not breaking.

[SPEAKER_03]: And once I realized that there are one making things up to they barely know.

[SPEAKER_03]: and three, especially now that we've broken them into this point, they really can't give us a code, they can't give us one order as to what we're doing wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: And once you realize that, it's kind of like, yeah, move a wall, go home.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you have a mistress underwhelmed.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you have kids to talk in, like, is it your mom worried about you?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think if you can become their human.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if you can kind of make a, and I say report very, very lightly, I know a lot of people are very anti-police.

[SPEAKER_03]: You don't even want to make a joke towards police, either I'm not not joke.

[SPEAKER_03]: You don't get me wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was there and I get it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if you can get them to break character, if you can break that or fall and get them to see you as a human being, it's hard to spend the shooting number one, but number two, then you have their ear [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you know, it's kind of weird that you're out here, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, we're out here protesting every day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is what we've got to, this is after work.

[SPEAKER_03]: I clock in, I clock out, and I clock in here.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's weird that you're here.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you even know why you're here.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think, then I go, yeah, we don't really know why we're here.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yeah, you don't really know why you're here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Go home, please.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're also someone who tracks badge numbers, if I'm allowed to say that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you're keeping like a pretty detailed record of everyone, even names that you have, but also just badge numbers and descriptions of different officers.

[SPEAKER_01]: And can you talk about why you're doing that and what that means to you?

[SPEAKER_03]: I was always a bully and so those things are still kind of in me.

[SPEAKER_03]: But when I say a bully, I'm five, two, three, three.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so by a bully, I mean, I just have these words, I'm a charmer.

[SPEAKER_03]: And in high school, I could make you give me your ones money and apologize for not doing it to them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's the power I kind of wield in and those fields apply here.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so if I can hyper fixate on an office here, especially a DA check guy that's out here and you just know why you thought you're going to call most of these guys volunteer and for what I'm learning from this court case is that there are the police of DA chats, essentially, like DA test is first line of the, essentially, really don't know why they here, they don't know our protesting, they have not they have no clue so earlier back in July June.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's kind of my approach.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I mean, these are the jocks of our high school, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: These are the nerds that weren't so smart of our middle school.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they don't know what's going on.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll have to kick you out.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll go, you know, 1642.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know why we're out here?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you why we're out here.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then after we're a daily protest, you know, I'm clapping in at three.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know 1642 is probably clapping in our act.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll be out there and then you'll clock it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, oh, it was 16.42.

[SPEAKER_03]: Remember me, you're still here.

[SPEAKER_03]: But we just talked about slavery while you're still here, did you guys?

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I realized that it's a security module.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I am building reports with them in quotes.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they see us, they see us protestors every day.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of hard not to, and I think that's loosely, have a favorite.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard not to build a report.

[SPEAKER_03]: have some sort of relationship with these men as crazy as that sounds, but I'm Stockholm syndromeing them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this, it's the end of the beast.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I am Bell.

[SPEAKER_03]: They are the B's thousand percent.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I've seen it work.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen the HS get super brutal.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen them throw a protest in terms of the ground.

[SPEAKER_03]: And when she looked up, midframe she goes, giggles, why are you doing less to me?

[SPEAKER_03]: And me from across, well, it's like 10 19, I'll [SPEAKER_03]: And because we know them that, well, I've watched them hesitate.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've watched them think twice.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've watched them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And because of it, they're rotating themselves out.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're either leaving because they can't hit what anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or DHS themselves are like, OK, we got to pull.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you guys have been here since June, they're being affected.

[SPEAKER_03]: We got to pull these sides out.

[SPEAKER_03]: They've rotated three times.

[SPEAKER_03]: knowing them, giving them nicknames, talking to them like normal people.

[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I still call them not pieces of the ship.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I worked my way up to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I clocked it and I say, hello.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, who was it?

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that was 499.

[SPEAKER_03]: It will save us eventually.

[SPEAKER_03]: And for right now, I've watched it save lives before and just another story about that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was starting to won 1050 tail.

[SPEAKER_03]: He walked away and kissed a job to deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: And another officer was trying to get us to go back behind the imaginary line that they make up every day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Allegedly, I was over the line a bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he was trying to get someone next to me who was under the line.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was that little [SPEAKER_03]: to me being loud, I go, oh, he's fine.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's not even where I'm at, like he's fine.

[SPEAKER_03]: He turns to me, you have to get back.

[SPEAKER_03]: You have to get back.

[SPEAKER_03]: He almost put his hands on me twice.

[SPEAKER_03]: And because I know 1052, I will say 1052, you gotta come get 1770.

[SPEAKER_03]: This is insane.

[SPEAKER_03]: 1052, like [SPEAKER_03]: 10 to the two.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need to know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not talking to you anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need 10 to the right.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I've watched 10 to the two, he's going to take a time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Trust me, you guys, you're going to take a time.

[SPEAKER_03]: But he will come over and he will loosely defend the theft that we were having a conversation.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am exactly fine.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're in that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not doing anything wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the sense of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't great.

[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't arrested.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm here talking to y'all right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, I'm very good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Get their badge numbers, get their last name and be annoying a call and get to know them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't know if this was you, but like way back like a cop rolled up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was like LAPD.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you through the window were like, are you feeling better?

[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody had been sniffling or sick?

[SPEAKER_01]: That was heavy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, and to the officer of the office, he was like, hey, oh my god, are you still sick?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you feeling better?

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, yeah, I'm feeling better.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, this is insane.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's insane.

[SPEAKER_03]: But that's to the extent of which we know them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we're getting to knowing, but it's also power, because there's been times where LAPD, I think, for example, they're captain.

[SPEAKER_03]: We call him Stassy Pan.

[SPEAKER_03]: I forget his name right now, but Stassy Pan today is for the permanentist of this podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: But we thumbs into him, other community events for LAPD and the community, so like, let's know each other whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: Talk to him, they're like an hour.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm into him at the protest, where they were suppressing our specific limit, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I literally walked over and I was like, staff depends.

[SPEAKER_03]: I thought we'd do a had a conversation about this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it gives me the power to be like, I know you by name.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm walking past all of the younger, not the younger, but all the lower level, deputies or whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going straight to this three-striped four-striped two-striped person.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm calling them by, I fear they might now.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm calling them by the name.

[SPEAKER_03]: We had a conversation on Tuesday this goes against the conversation we had on Tuesday was going on to happen and again and again when you catch them in that lie when you go no use on Tuesday you said we could protest on one say it's one say we're protesting but you're blocking us why they have to come up with reasons and I know you and especially when I tell them especially for me I'm like hey I'm annoying like when we first back in into lies.

[SPEAKER_03]: My sister, I was walking to the entrance and said, my sister called me, and she goes, tell those guys, I'm sorry, because you're super fucking annoying.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm gonna tell them, you're so bad.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if I'm not going to go, my sister says she's sorry, because she knows I'm really fucking annoying.

[SPEAKER_03]: All of them started laughing, because one of them is true.

[SPEAKER_03]: And to them being real, like, I'm not going anywhere.

[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, nobody goes far, let's drop in.

[SPEAKER_01]: I started noticing the level of embarrassment for them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because first of all, there's one woman, there's one woman where you guys call her birtha.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I often am imagine going back to your office.

[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone there knows that everyone calls you birtha.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, not that birth is a bad name, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: But just like, that can't be good to go back to your very macho job.

[SPEAKER_01]: and know that that everyone's calling you giggles.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's got to start making them embarrassed, I feel like.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was a time where giggles at a 10 19 at the CHF police badge number, whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: From day one, he pissed me off.

[SPEAKER_03]: I gave him the, I gave him the nickname giggles because he was just always with laughing and I'm like, dude, what's so funny to you?

[SPEAKER_03]: But there was a day where he had to be, you know, the captain, [SPEAKER_03]: And I just took a megaphone and I go, the fact that you take orders from 1019 has to be still fucking embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_03]: They all looked at me including 1019.

[SPEAKER_03]: The man actively giving orders.

[SPEAKER_03]: They all looked at me and they were just like, they all started laughing and I'm just like, yeah, no, like you because you know it's something.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know it's embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not even that [SPEAKER_03]: No, they hate it.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to be out there listening to crying with babies or or Britney Spears on repeat or or you know, or whatever music we're playing.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to listen to that right.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to hear a history lesson every day.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to be called names every day.

[SPEAKER_03]: So just even being out there and having a presence.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's embarrassing and it gets left.

[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we're minding them that they don't have to be here is huge.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think both sides have dehumanized each other and not that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I'm on a stage now where I'm wondering if being ridiculous is more of what we have to do at this point like the frog in Portland, the guy that's just dressed as a frog who's going out there every day or the different like I always [SPEAKER_01]: like the, like dressed as like children or like babies like the people that would have like the little like freckles on their face and stuff like or Thomas and his stitch onesie like I think that trolling maybe is the new.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is the new new.

[SPEAKER_03]: If there was this, yeah, I mean, to your point, yeah, especially right now under trying to spend this narrative of [SPEAKER_03]: you know, and people, you know, they're all blacked out, you know, they're terrorists or this one or that and it's like, okay, well, we're really doing, you know, like, ah, and then you so Portland and everyone's in a one V like, [SPEAKER_03]: And then it's a bunch of women all in dresses and, you know, lives has her pink long pairs.

[SPEAKER_03]: You always look good.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm always doing like a maize hair or something.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we're all out there, full beat, make up and work.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just like, hey, you're fucking Nazi.

[SPEAKER_03]: While people are also dancing behind us.

[SPEAKER_03]: But like, yeah, we're in tape and now we're.

[SPEAKER_03]: So when you show the footage, it's like, [SPEAKER_03]: all five foot or below, or it's hitly above, and we're all in gestures.

[SPEAKER_03]: So what's so fatening up?

[SPEAKER_03]: What's so fatening about that?

[SPEAKER_01]: I know I wish they would show that more because Eddie and I did talk about the way that the media is very particular about what they show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm loving frog guy because he is getting more attention from like local media or mainstream media, but it's like, yeah, they don't show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I would always get so frustrated going down to 535 because there would be like children drawing with chalk and stuff and they'll never show [SPEAKER_01]: when you mention the women, it is also, I can't ignore the fact that everyone, most of the people doing a lot of the work, are women, women of color, gay men, and of list.

[SPEAKER_01]: And of list.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I, what do you think, why do you think that is?

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's something that's really bothers me for many a month, especially in a time period, [SPEAKER_03]: But I think those demographics of people were used to fighting for, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's the right marriage, whether it's the right to vote, whether it's the right just to be our human being.

[SPEAKER_03]: We are accustomed to getting up, organizing, fighting back, falling down, getting up again, organizing, fighting back, like we're accustomed to it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's in our, unfortunately, it's within our DNA to some, [SPEAKER_03]: to agree.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if we want to marry who want to marry for a dance, we want to go to school, we want to go to school, we want to vote, we want to vote.

[SPEAKER_03]: We have to do these things.

[SPEAKER_03]: While I feel like men in particular, especially white men in particular, they're not used to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And especially with the generation of people, we're so far removed from the civil rights movement.

[SPEAKER_03]: and from Stonewall and from the sufferings event where it's just so far removed from those things that we take it off our granted.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like what do you mean, like, well, if I take away gay marriage, like we host, they'll be here.

[SPEAKER_03]: If I take away the right to vote, well, I mean, we can still go to Harvard.

[SPEAKER_03]: If they take away the 14th amendment, well, Black people will still be here and it's like, will they?

[SPEAKER_03]: You know?

[SPEAKER_03]: You're taking that for granted.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're taking your thing that [SPEAKER_03]: make you think that, but they take those rights away, we don't know what's going to happen to our schools, our we-hows, our communities, our people, we have no idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: What has been your experience of trying to get the word out or trying to [SPEAKER_01]: educate people that are just not activated by any of this.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not the backstatter.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am also super angry in this moment just because it's very apparent that [SPEAKER_03]: not just my rights and not just your rights but everyone's rights eventually are going to be taken away slowly but surely and I've been far too angry to get the things that need to stay across well and it's also hard because we're being so surprised and we're just seeing so silence I think it's the correct word.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're seeing so sounds that even if I were to make a video where where it would go across and people would be and it would make sense to people [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but now that things at least not like I have chilled out a little bit and I say chilled out very loosely I've started doing more quote and quote normal things just because I need to be around more Normies and seeing what normal people are doing what they care about.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I've learned that no one cares until that they're staff.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think for men.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think a lot of straight men think women's rights don't be anything because they're not getting abortions.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't need tampons.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't need birth control.

[SPEAKER_03]: But what they're not realizing is a modern day woman who is self-sufficient and is even if she's not from a school if even if she wants to go home with someone, if she doesn't have her house in order, [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever she needs to feel safe to bring that guy home or to go home with that guy, we're going back to our time period where she's not going to feel safe doing that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Going back to John's apartment with his three roommates, no woman's going to want to do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: If there aren't condoms, if there's no birth control, if there's no brand B, if there's no to care about there's a care place that she can go to take care of it, because I don't think John with his three roommates are going to be able to take care of her and her kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, I don't know how they don't.

[SPEAKER_01]: see that and it is insane that we have to like pull a list of strata in order to get meant to understand what's at stake.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on quote for them.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's tough because I think there's a mix of denial and also a mix of this isn't going to bother me or or independent survival.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've had a little bit of why are you putting yourself in the crosshairs kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't know a way not to.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a little trans man.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I roll up to the protest.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like often have a backpack.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like where, like a graphic tea, like I can't, I can't imagine they don't think I'm like child adjacent and there's like, you know, I think that I have a level of privilege where I don't, I don't report to represent white men, but I did become one, and I think I'm so I mean, I know, it's that meme that's like a white man, no.

[SPEAKER_01]: My friend is pregnant right now and she's having a boy and she was like, the white man is coming from inside the house.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's like, I can't believe this is happening to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was a meme I saw that was like, your friend tells you other trends and you're like, [SPEAKER_03]: And then you realize that they're becoming a white man, you're just like, fuck, you know, I guess what are some things that you've seen that have been hopeful or what, what is like, stuff that you're like, okay, this, this very well might work, you know, I'm very pessimistic these days, but I have the answer to hold on, you know, I think the small things are just, I see the people of the community.

[SPEAKER_03]: and very small ways of defiance.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a woman in DC, bed dresses up at the National Guard.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's our sit-on mom.

[SPEAKER_03]: She has nothing going on and she dresses up at the National Guard and she goes out there every day and she chose them and that's to me I think is beautiful.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do.

[SPEAKER_01]: You think it's like people will have less and less to lose.

[SPEAKER_01]: So then they'll just start doing stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_03]: I think by 2020 people were realized, oh, this is really bad.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like, yeah, more people hit the streets.

[SPEAKER_03]: But even if they for my friends case right now, they have new Jerry selection for a day and a half.

[SPEAKER_03]: Jerry's last one with a day and a half because a lot of the Jerry that they were bringing in were like, this case is ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know I can't be unbiased in this case.

[SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding me?

[SPEAKER_03]: No, well, I saw guys.

[SPEAKER_01]: I saw one of the guys that was dismissed outside after jury duty the other day and I was like you should have just like not lied.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't whatever, but you should have just stayed on the jury.

[SPEAKER_01]: You should have just like been like, let me stay on the jury's because because I know you know that this is bullshit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's funny because that was, that was a catch point too.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like in that rub it's like hell, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Tell could like the lawyers for the United States government.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're also in that room.

[SPEAKER_03]: So like hell, yeah, tell this entire court system that you think this is bullshit.

[SPEAKER_03]: But wait, don't go.

[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly, I know, I know.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I will say to me, she had a strong theory, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're talking for a very long time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I know, but there were times where the prosecution, the government will talk and I will kind of go at the jury and they're called kind of like squinting their heads to the side, they're kind of like, what are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so it's, it's all things like that because even with her case, the first time around they offered her three pedials don't even before that.

[SPEAKER_03]: They couldn't find a grand jury to even indict the grand jury with like, no, we're not taking this file.

[SPEAKER_03]: Leave her alone.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's small things like that that get because I don't trust the courts or the or the legal system.

[SPEAKER_03]: We all know this current administration have been care about that, but it's a small act of the science from everyday people, something as simple as seeing like, yeah, we're not going to sit and try this case.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to show the National Forest for an hour and a half.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was one guy that was working in some of them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they all walked away, and I was like, that's iconic.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you see them's work.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it is just no longer giving them power.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just not being afraid and no longer giving them power and just being like, [SPEAKER_01]: like when the Burbank police showed up to the protest and you were like, keep it moving, walk, go, bye, shoot, walk along.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think I said, I don't think it's, I mean, what's blocking the street?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's you, you're, I said, I mean, what's blocking the street?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's you, you're blocking the street.

[SPEAKER_03]: Gotta go.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was kind of like, oh, I am blocking the street.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm seeing more of that and I would love in LA if they provided bail funds or support for people like our friend who are on trial, that would be great, but maybe other cities will do that because that's the thing right law enforcement turns and they turn on ice and DHS.

[SPEAKER_01]: because they are getting pepper sprayed themselves or tear gas themselves.

[SPEAKER_01]: The people decide we're not gonna end tight.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, like, then everyone shows up and like blow up unicorn costumes.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just, I'm guess like one angle is to just make it as un-serious as possible.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably, and that's why I don't cover my face.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's why I go out there very much dressed as feminine.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty tomboy as for those that don't know me.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I try to go out there as feminine [SPEAKER_03]: God forbid there is a camera that's doing the Lawrence work.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want them to see them tear-gassing and pepper-balling and rubber bulletin, woman-in dresses, people who end and stitch ones these kids and girls.

[SPEAKER_03]: These preachers, rabbis.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And even that, if you're anyone with a uniform, I would wear that to a protest if you're in there, so we're that to a protest, if you're a suit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Our finance brand, you weren't too tall guys.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're back to our program.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you need to see everyone out there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you so much, Taylor, for joining us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where can people find you and follow you if you so wish to do so?

[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to see me get angry all the time, follow me on Instagram.

[SPEAKER_03]: the underscore reel on this for a day on this for Smith.

[SPEAKER_03]: I made that in COVID when we had time.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have all done.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm on Instagram.

[SPEAKER_03]: I will eventually move towards a boost guy eventually.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know Instagram is not great.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have a part of the problem.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that's where you can find me fighting and yelling.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for keeping me sane.

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