[SPEAKER_11]: It's Politico, thank you, Politico.

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[SPEAKER_11]: Shotsmith, Harrison, Jodie Hamilton.

[SPEAKER_03]: Good Thursday evening, first day of the new year, January 1st here at the politics.

[SPEAKER_03]: Bar don't worry, Jody will be in in a little bit with a bloody good drink.

[SPEAKER_03]: Literally, we also will have some great best of stuff to knife and Chris Gidener, Martin Sheen, and we're starting off with our friend Kimberley Johnson, feminist extraordinaire.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's not going to have a few things to say about Donald Trump's misogyny and his creeping look at the carolide.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's right here Thursday night at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_05]: I did actually, I was in New York.

[SPEAKER_05]: Bob and I went to Mary Trump's party and I, I did get a little bit tipsy.

[SPEAKER_05]: I was a fun.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was really fun.

[SPEAKER_05]: In fact, Rosanna Arquette was there and Ellen Barkin and I saw them and I was just, I was like, I must speak with them.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, she's going up to Ellen Barkin and I went, I love you and then we just started talking and then Rosanna and I started talking and then [SPEAKER_05]: I told Rosanna, you know, I know Jodi, you know Jodi, I know Jodi and it was very sweet and yeah, I was like a big mouth running around and we were all screaming and it was kind of funny.

[SPEAKER_08]: I didn't want to make the picture of you and Rosanna, I texted him back on to my favorite women together.

[SPEAKER_03]: and she's going to be in the same place to my favorite women together.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, look, look, it is always good when you're hanging out with people who make you look better.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's where I'm at right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I'm, I'm, I'm going to good move for that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I, I, [SPEAKER_03]: I've been a little bit disappointed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I can't say a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Can I say that are really, really freaking hate when these douchebags are such douchebags to women?

[SPEAKER_03]: This right wing war on women really pisses me off.

[SPEAKER_03]: And especially because there's so many people in the press corps who should be standing up for the female reporters who are doing great work some of them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then Donald comes off with just the crap that he's been saying lately.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, it's not just lately.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's been, I mean, these done this for years.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's getting worse.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, and it gives license to all these other things.

[SPEAKER_03]: We've got today in the news on tap if you go down to the third round in the war on women's section, there's a piece listing all the times that Donald Trump has attacked female reporters in the last, uh, what is it 30 days?

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a 10, 10 or 11 times that he's done that.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's just the ones that we know of.

[SPEAKER_03]: We, right, not to mention it.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, not on tape.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and then, he's so, he's so, okay, there is like, what, like, 50, 51 years between him and Kaka-Kaka-Kera line.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Donald is at this casino, which, [SPEAKER_03]: OK, you're going to go talk about economics at a casino in the Pope, the Polk knows for those of you who were in other locations around the United States or around the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: The Polk knows for a lot of people on the in the East Coast in the, you know, DC, Philly, New York, that area.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's where a lot of rich people go in vacation.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're wanting to talk about affordability, the place you want to go was a casino where rich people go to vacation, right?

[SPEAKER_06]: That, that, that, that.

[SPEAKER_03]: right.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're you're you're really rocking out the bells today, Kim, Lincoln.

[SPEAKER_03]: It works at the holiday to the core, though.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, bells are on the kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, but here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, he's he's doing his little song and dance up there.

[SPEAKER_03]: His slurring song and dance last night up in Pennsylvania.

[SPEAKER_03]: And at one point he gets focused on Caroline's lips.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, God, that's so gross.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he's like, oh, her lips.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, dude, she literally could be your granddaughter.

[SPEAKER_09]: granddaughter.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: We all know what he'd like to know.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, I got to do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, but it's also the fact if I'm like, even if you like the difference between Bill Clinton.

[SPEAKER_03]: and Donald Trump in this bad corner, Bill Clinton.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there are a lot of things that he has done to help women.

[SPEAKER_03]: There are a lot of women that he put in in different places first, but yes, we also know that Bill Clinton is a cad or was a cad.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he still is, but at least he was for a number of years.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's a sniffing dog.

[SPEAKER_05]: He probably isn't anymore.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, probably isn't anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right, but he was for most of his life, probably.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I infertum is right back.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you know what I think I might have said this on your show before, but it's okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't I wish I had his name with me, but there is a gentleman on YouTube and he's very popular and he has him trying to think he has a master's in something or other.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, he is a physical therapist and he takes care of people who have dementia Alzheimer's and they have congestive heart failure et cetera, oh, okay, basically staying.

[SPEAKER_05]: that, yeah, he believes that Donald Trump will actually, for those of you who don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I wish that I had his name.

[SPEAKER_05]: Do you know who he is, Jody?

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm trying to think of him too.

[SPEAKER_03]: We may have, there's a doctor that afraid of him.

[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember, but anyway, he said, okay, so that the bruises on his hand are likely from the shots that he's getting for something for Alzheimer's, which [SPEAKER_05]: and potentially cause brain bleeds, which caused TIAs, which caused strokes.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: He thinks that's what happened on Labor Day.

[SPEAKER_05]: So as we, and so whatever, because before the election, he was talking about the size of that golf pro, Arnold Palmer's, you know, right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: His honor, his honor, Paul.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right, exactly.

[SPEAKER_05]: He didn't like into it about how amazing it was and how big it was.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he also, which the Democrats on Twitter continue to post stuff alluding to that, that he was, how can I say this?

[SPEAKER_05]: Pleasuring the microphone.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so, you know, like, and pretending to use his mouth.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so it was funny because he's done, I mean, he's done a version of [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: That Alzheimer's patients, and let me just say, the doctor said, like, the more it happens, the more it's needed.

[SPEAKER_05]: So it's always impressive.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's impressive.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's impressive.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's impressive.

[SPEAKER_05]: But in the alive, it's kind of making it worse.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I've got a cut that actually kind of, I think bolsters, what you're saying there came a lien.

[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, so this was him last night.

[SPEAKER_03]: First of all is what he's saying is ridiculous, but also he should notice that he's slurring His slurring has nothing to do with being in a bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: His slurring has to do with the fact of of he's got some cognitive issues Here, let me play this on the DVR.

[SPEAKER_00]: If the one thing you need you need still, you know, you can give up certain products Products should give up pencils Give up pencils, but [SPEAKER_00]: That's under the China policy, you know, every child can get 37 pencils.

[SPEAKER_00]: They only need one or two, you know, they don't need that many.

[SPEAKER_00]: But you always need, you always need steel.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need 37 dollars for your daughter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two or three is nice.

[SPEAKER_09]: What is he talking to the children get pencils for Christmas?

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, what are you talking about?

[SPEAKER_05]: Is it always 37?

[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: He has, he has lines like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: He has lines and numbers that he picks that he always uses.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to say I think, though, that, I mean, obviously he is putting, you know, this venom toward women.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's saying things right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, absolutely good men, but and it's still inappropriate.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's he's always been that way, but I think what's happening is we're going to see this more and more and that's what the doctor said he's deteriorating in front of our eyes and so all of insults and all that [SPEAKER_05]: non-professional kind of behavior.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that's a really nice way to say it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, look, you're classy.

[SPEAKER_03]: You understand these kinds of things.

[SPEAKER_05]: You're classy.

[SPEAKER_08]: You're a classy lady.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm a classy boy.

[SPEAKER_05]: But you're going to get worse.

[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to see him get worse.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the doctor has maintained.

[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: So earlier this year in I think it was in the summer, he gave Trump six to eight months now.

[SPEAKER_05]: He's saying it's three to five.

[SPEAKER_05]: So [SPEAKER_05]: I think, you know, there have been a couple other people that I've listened to that think, you know, it's around February or something and, you know, I told you guys last time, I love to listen to Psychics when he's no, and they don't predict his death, just he's out of office.

[SPEAKER_05]: And it's not even that I bite into it, but I think it's interest, because I don't know, none of us really know, and it's like, you only know once it happens, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: I like listening to it, because it puts me in the head space if he's gone.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I'm posting for MSW media.

[SPEAKER_05]: I'm listening to how Trump will be out of office or whatever they say.

[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, but it's lining up to what you know legitimate doctors and things like that are saying they think there's a she can tell for sure.

[SPEAKER_03]: chair has a doctor friend that she's been kind of saying hey he's been right in a few things but we should maybe see we can get him in the bar here and see because he's saying this.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, sure as a coba's been saying that and and actually as a doctor friend that's been saying that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, a lot of different doctors are, I mean, nobody can know for sure because they can't examine him, but And doctors have doctors, especially doctors who deal in cognitive issues and that kind of thing have literally a professional structure against the Johnson rule whatever Right, but you know what, let me just say this real, but because the doctor was pointing out the reasoning as such bruising in this hands.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the question was he was like, people say to me, [SPEAKER_05]: Well, if he's so obvious, and we can see his hand, why aren't they going to other veins, and he goes probably because his veins are, uh, he might have a poor, he might have a port in that one vein, so they don't have to keep going in and out.

[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting, there could be that, but he was basically saying that his veins are probably so weak and unhealthy because of.

[SPEAKER_05]: the food and especially now that's leaving all that stuff.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah and that they'll keep going into that same hand that it keeps getting traumatized, the main, getting traumatized.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, and also be a little collapse.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you can't keep doing that.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's why doctors when you're in, when I was in the hospital years ago when I had my jaw surgery, I was only in the hospital for four days.

[SPEAKER_09]: They changed my IV from one arm to the other after two.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's ID drip.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was just the same.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was a changing day and you're a good person.

[SPEAKER_03]: You notice the changes, but of course, he is an active patient.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, if he has recognitive tests that he's so proud of the other thing.

[SPEAKER_09]: He started so right.

[SPEAKER_03]: He started saying that yesterday that he's he's like, I've had three con in a year.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's not a good thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I don't know anybody who's had three cognitive tests in a year and brags about it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he knows.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think he thinks it's IQ tests.

[SPEAKER_09]: I really think he thinks I don't IQ tests.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: You probably write, Judy.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's what I'm going to find this guy.

[SPEAKER_05]: But his brain is not working properly.

[SPEAKER_05]: And that I mean, we're speaking, I think, you know, like with, like, I was going to say the misogyny that we're seeing from him.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, again, it's always been [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's just going to make it worse and worse and worse.

[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I feel like I don't know.

[SPEAKER_05]: I posted today that I'm living in the end.

[SPEAKER_05]: And the way that I mean that is I am choosing to.

[SPEAKER_05]: kind of, how can I say this?

[SPEAKER_05]: I wrote it out, so I don't remember what I wrote, but it's like I'm just going in the mud, the Donald is no longer in power and democracy is restored.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're keeping your head space there in the idea that this is the original and not pretending that it's real.

[SPEAKER_05]: I know what the thing.

[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm just, it's, it's like a decision that it's a resolve.

[SPEAKER_05]: I am just, that's it.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to save democracy and then we're going to take the inspired action to do that, which is voting, which is it's more than voting, which is what Democrats and independence and non-Trump Republicans have been doing all year and definitely did last night.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so I think I think I mean, look earlier, it's like this time last year.

[SPEAKER_05]: you know, it didn't know what was going to go down.

[SPEAKER_05]: And unfortunately, I think, you know, we saw the thickness, the thickness, actually.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: It would cases and even some educate, some educate schools and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: But, [SPEAKER_05]: mostly he's getting resistance.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I love to point out, Greg, only our said early Nazi Germany had no resistance.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_03]: Kimberley is right.

[SPEAKER_03]: There is a lot more resistance out there.

[SPEAKER_03]: We will continue our interview replay with her in just a little bit talking about that resistance and about how left-leaning media is definitely helping out with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: We've also got a brand new drink of the day, Joe is going to be in just a little bit, but we wanted to kind of break things up a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: I give you that replay of that great interview from Martin Machine that we did earlier this past year.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, look, it's part of a Thursday night, best of plus live.

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get to that Martin Machine interview next right here at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hang on.

[SPEAKER_11]: We'll be right back with more of the best of the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_11]: Welcome back to the best of the politics bar with Sean Smith, Pierce and Jody Hamilton.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we've been telling you, we've been hitting it this for a few days.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we actually finally have him here.

[SPEAKER_03]: The one, the only Martin Schene in the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: We are so honored to have you here, sir.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we are.

[SPEAKER_03]: How's your week been?

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, and that's about we just got back from New York.

[SPEAKER_04]: We were over in New York last week for the, uh, uh, the Comic Con.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then I was honored to do, uh, uh, uh, uh, a Nicole Wallace's podcast.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: We'd love to have her here too.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_04]: We saw the whole crew and all our heroes from MSNBC.

[SPEAKER_04]: Nice, uh, including.

[SPEAKER_04]: Rachel Maddo.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've never met her before.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I was I was very very taken by all that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I bet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we are never met her.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, I've not.

[SPEAKER_09]: I want to meet Dr.

Maddo very badly.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm a huge fan.

[SPEAKER_09]: I would totally grow loud on her.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've talked to her dad a lot of time.

[SPEAKER_03]: I used to work for Randy Rhodes for on and off for 15 years.

[SPEAKER_03]: I worked for Bill Press for a while and her dad listens to all of our left-leaning shows.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have talked about on the phone any number of times.

[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, good people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm just the only disappointment is she's only on one day a week.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know.

[SPEAKER_04]: I like I could I could go with you know, two and a half.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think she's yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're marrying a documentary on a great great.

[SPEAKER_09]: entry young.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, young, the civil rights champion, so yeah, I'm going to forward to that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think she's going to introduce it to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think you're right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think you're right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, the surr, you have a new podcast out.

[SPEAKER_09]: Tell us, tell our listeners all about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Where's that piece of paper?

[SPEAKER_04]: Renee is standing here with a switch Renee as the best my daughter is our producer and we've been at this for quite a while some months now we [SPEAKER_04]: recorded stories and poems and open mics and interviews.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so we're all set to go.

[SPEAKER_04]: On Sunday, October the 26th, and we're very excited.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, and for a day, just so we've never been in this territory before.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm the only guy in California that didn't have a podcast and tone down.

[SPEAKER_03]: It does seem, it does seem like that everybody has a podcast these days, but I think I think yours is going to be something different from what we, you know, um, not too long, uh, 20, 30 minutes, I guess.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And focused on, you know, a lot of your, your wisdom, your observations, and your poetry that you love.

[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of poetry that I've learned over the years, some of it classics, some of it modern, but all of it resonates with me personally.

[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of romantic stuff, a lot of funny stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Charlie recorded one of the favorite baseball poems of all time, Casey's at the back.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, fans will be [SPEAKER_04]: hearing that from Charlie.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love that little interview as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I know that I know you used to be friends with with Daniel Berrigan.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's why I know when you say you love both the modern and some of the classic stuff, uh, to Gora, I believe is the other other one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember how many times I've seen clips of, uh, you do parts of, uh, letter country awake.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's it to Gorpon.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, I learned that in India when I was there doing Gandhi.

[SPEAKER_04]: and Roscoe Lee Brown taught it to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was visiting us.

[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, it's it's my favorite poem.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's it's to gorge.

[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't title any of his poems.

[SPEAKER_04]: He numbered them.

[SPEAKER_04]: That particular poem I believe appeared in a [SPEAKER_04]: I had a volume while he was teaching at Harvard in 1938 or 1939.

[SPEAKER_04]: He died in 1940, it's an enemy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: The year I was born, then fish interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you're a youngster.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lot of faith, hope, love, and politics.

[SPEAKER_04]: Great concern about the human condition, about the lack of it and certain spheres these cities.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's our main concern is about how we remain [SPEAKER_04]: You know, connected to our humanity so that we can be compassionate to others, and particularly those that are under attack these days, and suffering greatly for just being immigrants, which I need to remind people is not a crime.

[SPEAKER_04]: nor is being undocumented a crime.

[SPEAKER_04]: Amen.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not even a misdemeanor.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so we want to focus on immigration at this time.

[SPEAKER_04]: We start our very first one is the Amir Lazarus poem that I say is tattooed to the leg of the lady dancing in the harbor with one hand waving pretty.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's our homage to Bob Dylan.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then we go and talk about immigrants, because both of my parents were immigrants.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they had, well, my mother had 12 pregnancies, 10 survived, nine boys, one girl.

[SPEAKER_04]: And both of their countries suffered civil wars and great devastation in their lifetimes in the last century.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I comment about that and how that didn't force them to stay in the United States, but they realized what an opportunity America offered.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I talk about immigrants and from a personal point of view.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was the first, yeah, I was the first one, and our family, to be born in the United States, the others were born, and one, my oldest brother was born in Ireland, and the rest of the brothers were born in Bermuda.

[SPEAKER_04]: We lost the two children, my mother lost two, one in Bogotá, Colombia, and one in the United States, a girl on the board.

[SPEAKER_04]: So she had 12, as I say, tens of five, and we had a baseball team, nine boys.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can you do it?

[SPEAKER_04]: And our manager, Carmen, my sister.

[SPEAKER_04]: And now that my producer keeps handing me little things.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, this is our website, the martinshamepodcast.com.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, not useless at all, sir.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, matter of fact, I, you know, you focusing, you know, in the beginning of the podcast series on immigration, I bet you were pretty proud that the current Pope, we jokingly call him Pope Bob, has come out, has come out so strongly.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I love the fact that he has come out and been like, hey, y'all, you might want to consider the fact that Jesus said, welcome to Stranger, just saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's just a thought.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was an undocumented.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was.

[SPEAKER_04]: and try to get back home.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's very clear how we can judge our own religiosity, but more of which we avoid doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so when we talk about [SPEAKER_04]: you know, what is it mean to be religious or spiritual or honest?

[SPEAKER_04]: And for Catholics, it's all summed up in Matthew 25, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: When did we see you hungry Lord?

[SPEAKER_04]: When did we see you in prison and visit you?

[SPEAKER_04]: When did we see you naked and cloth you?

[SPEAKER_04]: And so forth.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, [SPEAKER_04]: That's, in the final analysis, we're not going to be judged by our looks, thank God, or our lack thereof.

[SPEAKER_04]: But we're going to be judged by our love, the size of our heart, and how expansive it was, how many we included, and how many we rejected.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, like the good Samaritan who stopped on his way and [SPEAKER_04]: It's been his whole day helping an unfortunate victim of crime, so yeah, that's what it means to be human and whether you're Catholic or a practicing Protestant or Jew or Muslim.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're all the same.

[SPEAKER_04]: engulfed in the same kind of spirituality, humanity.

[SPEAKER_04]: I always say we are beautifully and a blessedly broken, the BBC.

[SPEAKER_04]: You want to call it a beauty that our business bureau, but we are beautifully.

[SPEAKER_04]: and lessedly broken, and that's what it means to be human.

[SPEAKER_04]: I one time heard one of our heroes here in Los Angeles, and I'm sure around the country as well, but we covered him, and that's Father Greg Boyle, who found a homeboy and homegirl industries, and one time he was being interviewed, and the fellow interviewing him clearly did not have a clue who he was.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was like, [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe just somebody been given a piece of paper and say interview this priest from L.A.

What's his name?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, great boy.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is the S.J.

[SPEAKER_04]: stand for?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's society of Jesus.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I see.

[SPEAKER_04]: Jesus.

[SPEAKER_04]: Jesuit.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he starts talking to him.

[UNKNOWN]: And.

[SPEAKER_04]: Finally, near the end of the interview, the guy says, well, tell me, father, how came you to be so socially involved?

[SPEAKER_04]: And what made you do all the hints that I'll tell you, frankly, I went into the third world and they cracked open my heart.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's a great phrase.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So third world is right.

[SPEAKER_04]: And our neighbors, right at our neighbors door, it's right where we shop, right where we worship.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right where we go to the, you know, the doctor's office or, you know, sit at an event watching a ball game or whatever we do.

[SPEAKER_04]: We we can't escape our neighbor.

[SPEAKER_03]: True.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you know, I'm, I don't know, I don't want to say this publicly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I have not since they left Brooklyn, yeah, I'm still there guys.

[SPEAKER_04]: Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I have Jody and I [SPEAKER_04]: We were about Cincinnati Reds.

[SPEAKER_04]: They never went to the world series in my lifetime.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they did.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Most of the end of my lifetime.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Jody is a Dodgers fan.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm from the proudest guy originally, so I'm happy is Larry Forrom.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't get me wrong.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: and they came together at the right time right but they were struggling for a while and and they, you know, they'd be probably the best team in the actual league and the village, you know, and they did it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was like holy, it's like how the Yankees fell apart last season.

[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you know, to throw out, to miss a throw out at home, like, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's hard.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think for the fillings, but, and it, and it, and it was, and you say, the guy come back and bow to the catcher saying, oh, sorry about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's, but that's, we should take it back.

[SPEAKER_04]: We would because we would.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, some overt act of, you know, you're mad at the swat of the ball or something.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's funny.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not just that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think he was like the eighth pitcher of the game and, you know, I don't think we'd ever tried to throw anyone out at the home plate, but he could have gone to first place.

[SPEAKER_04]: That was what it made sense.

[SPEAKER_04]: First thing, he was overt, but, you know.

[SPEAKER_04]: and the, or who's, you know, who doesn't make mistakes under pressure?

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: Good point.

[SPEAKER_09]: Are you going to any of the protests tomorrow?

[SPEAKER_09]: Any of the rallies?

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to one of the No Kings rallies in the Valley.

[SPEAKER_09]: Are you going to go?

[SPEAKER_04]: I won't go to the one in the valley.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm hopefully going to go to the one in Malibu.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hi.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was there the last time.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's astonishing, you're pretty big crowd.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Go figure, you know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm very proud to be a part of it because there's nothing in our community that has ever united us more than no King's Day.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: All of us were just astonished that there was such a crowd.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, when I went to the one in June by my house, it's a mile away.

[SPEAKER_09]: So we walked down there with some friends.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was expecting maybe four or five hundred people.

[SPEAKER_09]: There were thousands of people on the corner and I was like, whoa, it went about a quarter mile either way around the corner where it was scheduled to be.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I assume it's going to be at least that big again tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I look forward to it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I hope so.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if is anyone watching in Malibu, I think it's on at the library again.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right on.

[SPEAKER_04]: Excellent.

[SPEAKER_04]: Gather and bring your signs and and your hearts and your very best wishes for the survival of our constitution.

[SPEAKER_09]: I still have one of your lovely brides, t-shirts about Donald grabbing our country.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's Dirty Spelled.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it's just, since we're going to get ready.

[SPEAKER_04]: We got to, we got to, we got to watch that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: That you, did you wear it?

[SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah, I've worn it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_07]: I love that shirt.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you might want to cherish it and maybe you could raise funds for your favorite charity somewhere down the line, you know.

[SPEAKER_09]: I will start anything you ask, of course, of course.

[SPEAKER_09]: And Lonnie, by the way, my husband sends his love as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Please return it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was so delightful to spend that day with you all.

[SPEAKER_04]: You were so generous and beautiful to come out and hang out with us and tell me and Janet and, you know, in Renee.

[SPEAKER_04]: our daughter, how to do what you do.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so, so it's in large measure, you're fault.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have one.

[UNKNOWN]: We have one.

[UNKNOWN]: We have one.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I know that AG Allison, who runs MSW Media is so excited that you're on her network, you have no idea how happy she is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, great.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're hoping we had the good news yesterday, Renee, and for me that we've had two people that have bought subscriptions.

[SPEAKER_03]: Nice, I'm hoping, I'm hoping that some of the people that we know in common may, because I happen to know a couple of people that you know other than Jody and Lani.

[SPEAKER_03]: I believe you know, I miss Melissa Fitzgerald and Alice and Janie and Janel Maloney and Mary McCormick.

[SPEAKER_09]: You have them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just a couple of people.

[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully they will tell more people about the Martin Sheen podcast, which we are just so honored to have you here hanging out with us for a little while.

[SPEAKER_03]: Have fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: And whenever you want to come back, I mean, you know, it's always.

[SPEAKER_03]: Your chair is always here waiting.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, sir.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got to be delighted to do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'll be better prepared the last time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, you're perfect, and it's been more perfectly tried.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's fine, this is a bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: People come in hearing, you know, they're in all kinds.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you're set, you got your shirt on, it's good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Martin, thank you for joining us so much.

[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody, look, subscribe to the Martin Sheen podcast on all of your favorite podcast players.

[SPEAKER_03]: Martin Sheen, thank you very much for coming.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for coming.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for coming.

[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a brand new drink of the day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Jody's coming back in live.

[SPEAKER_11]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_10]: We'll be right back with more of the best of the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is a Thursday night, here at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much for hanging out with Jody and me, and whoever else we have it here because, you know, it is a best of evening.

[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we just had Martin Sheen that great interview that we had with Martin here was at November, Jody.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think so, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: We got 10 before his pod premiered.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right, which his podcast is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, you can get that podcast $6 a month that gets you the podcast entry gets you the news on tap and it gets you the drink of the day with the recipe Which is one of the reasons that we are stopping by the bar and hanging out with you on this January first brand new year, Jody [SPEAKER_03]: I'm always hesitant to say, you know, what do you hope for the new year, because she has gave that face, you know, yeah, I don't do resolutions I never have, because if I'm going to change something, I'm going to do it any time.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like it's not like I'm going to make a resolution.

[SPEAKER_03]: That will make me, no, but we'll make you do it as your choice to actually do it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Also, I mean, I understand why people do it.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's the motivator.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: For some reason, but I'm not that guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm always hesitant to call the future, call my shots.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, sometimes I have, and that's not horrible.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm hesitant to call my shot because I, yeah, it's superstitious as hell or whatever, but some things, I'm like, you don't necessarily want to say what you think.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I almost feel like fate's waiting out there going, okay, what do you think?

[SPEAKER_03]: So this way you're like, and I get that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little stuporistic and stupid, but whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: I hope my friend Paul gets a Oscar nomination.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I can do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually that's for the movie, um, um, the battle thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like it's getting a bunch of buzz for Oscars.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, he's already won a bunch of awards and they're up for some golden gloves.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's got leaner to caprio and, um, [SPEAKER_09]: who also said in an interview about it that the minute he got the script he was honored to be involved and couldn't wait to work with Paul and love working with them so cool well good luck to Paul and that's kind of doubt that would be good maybe maybe Paul wins he could you know buy an ad here at the politics bar for him.

[SPEAKER_03]: I can't see what I can do.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think he has control over ad buys.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do think that is one of the things that I want to do more this next year is get more advertisers that we like specifically.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's opposed to the general ones.

[SPEAKER_03]: We like all the advertisers.

[SPEAKER_03]: We want more podcast subscriptions.

[SPEAKER_03]: So tell your friends, which is important.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, the drinks of the day, we started this kind of as a fun little side thing, because it was like, ah, it will be something interesting and people really, you know, they they want the the recipes because, you know, they haven't necessarily, you know, they, they got a little corner bar there at their countertop or, you know, maybe over in the den next to the TV stuff and they're like, yeah, you know, and it's like, look, [SPEAKER_03]: you can actually, you know, be a little bit cooler and know a little bit more and, you know, seem like you are more intelligent and knowledgeable about drinks and stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not hard.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's easy.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, hell, you've been a bartender.

[SPEAKER_03]: I, I still don't consider what I did bartender, even though I guess technically maybe it was, but, you know, you just get a few drinks or whatever from mine, a bar, a pro shop and a country club golf course thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: What are anyway?

[SPEAKER_09]: point being is it is not as difficult as people think it is no I mean if you have the recipes it makes it a lot easier yeah and I remember when I did 10 bar I did bring up a thing that had a bunch of like flashcards with recipes so you could just pull it out yeah and I didn't do them in [SPEAKER_09]: I did him in an alphabetical order and not in like the type of drink because that's another way to order them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, order it however it works best for them.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: And because it how I learned was in what types of drinks they were so that was the original way I did it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: But no, I mean, I remember my boss because what do you have those for us at just in case there's something somebody wants it?

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not way normal.

[SPEAKER_03]: How do I do this?

[SPEAKER_03]: So I got it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's not normal.

[SPEAKER_09]: Hold on.

[SPEAKER_09]: I got it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Is this what you think?

[SPEAKER_09]: And then show them the recipe and the go, yeah, that's it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Or no, do this to it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Look, people are not it's it's not like if you go over to somebody's house and they feed you something.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, hey, you know, I'm giving you something here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Try this.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like you're you're like, oh, you didn't remember it from from from mental from from scratch, from memory.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then you're just a crap cook.

[SPEAKER_03]: If people don't do that, anybody know that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody is a would drink either.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you are making a drink for your friend, [SPEAKER_03]: whether it's alcoholic, non-alcoholic, whatever it is.

[SPEAKER_09]: Especially if it's something that has more than one one or two ingredients, you know, and you haven't made it a lot.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and people are just amazed that you do it at all.

[SPEAKER_03]: That you even have the resources.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, holy crap, man.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, if you want to be cool this year, I'd just say and subscribe, get the recipes.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's all good.

[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, what is the drink of the day today for New Year's Day?

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm pretty sure it inspires it.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's one that a lot of people will have a New Year's Day.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: Probably had this morning because it does work.

[SPEAKER_09]: I had one on New Year's Day when my mom was the grandmarshall of the rose parade.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I really needed one of these that morning.

[SPEAKER_09]: It is a bloody Mary.

[SPEAKER_09]: Nice.

[SPEAKER_09]: And New Year's Day is also considered National Bloody Mary Day.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, well, it makes sense.

[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, that's logical for that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm glad you got you got some fun stuff in here that that nobody really knows the history like who actually started the blood.

[SPEAKER_09]: George Jessel claimed he invented it.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, and so did I believe, uh, what is it, uh, for now and Petia Petia, uh, French bartender also says he did it.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, I mean, it could have been, you know how you saw Armageddon and then the other movie that had that thing coming to earth with.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_03]: people thought of it at the same time entirely possible entirely potholes peaking volcano i can go on right right people get people get similar ideas at similar times um but who cares i mean you know it's good although i have to admit um you know there is a it's from at least you know as an abraskin i claim it because well you know the raskin but uh you said that you had it when you lived in Denver [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's been in a brass thing for literally as far back as I can remember, it's a kid.

[SPEAKER_03]: Red beer.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like the, um, the slackers, bloody Mary.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's V8 or tomato juice with a beer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Preferably like a light beer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and a cup and there you go.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's that's that's that is the and people go really and I go you will see that if you're if you ever go to to Lincoln Nebraska especially in the fall especially you know when football games and everybody's advertising their tailgate [SPEAKER_03]: And so many people read beer such as, you know, oh, we have live music.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we have, you know, performers here, read beer.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to read beer with the house or read beer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the theater's manages with a light beer.

[SPEAKER_03]: People say, why?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, so that you can get drunk faster.

[SPEAKER_03]: That I, I'm sorry, that it is what it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's, like I said, it's the sloppy man's bloody Mary.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I mean, and also you can make a bloody Maria, which is with Tequila.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, see, I like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm good with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, how, how, how, what is our recipe here at the politics bar?

[SPEAKER_09]: This recipe is, you're going to need a shaker mixing glass ice for the drink.

[SPEAKER_09]: A Collins or Rocks glass.

[SPEAKER_09]: All right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Two ounces of vodka, but [SPEAKER_09]: If you want to do a dry January, which a lot of people do after New Year's because of the hangover, just exclude the vodka in this drink.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just so we can be a cocktail or a cocktail.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: What we would call a virgin marry.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, there you go, got it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, so two answers of vodka, four answers of tomato juice, a half ounce of fresh lemon juice, two dashes of Tabasco or another hot sauce, two dashes of Worcestershire, I like pour a lot of Worcestershire.

[SPEAKER_09]: I like it brown.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, seriously.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm not going that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like the salt and Worcestershire sauce.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's good.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's really good.

[SPEAKER_09]: When I've had people, when they make, when I go to bars and they make it, [SPEAKER_09]: from scratch.

[SPEAKER_03]: I would go, just make it brown.

[SPEAKER_03]: I also tend to like Frank's hot sauce a little bit more than Tabasco these days.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like Tabasco.

[SPEAKER_03]: All right, that's good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever, whatever, hot sauce you like.

[SPEAKER_09]: I have a friend that actually carries Tabasco with her.

[SPEAKER_09]: A teaspoon of horse radish.

[SPEAKER_09]: I like that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: A pinch of celery salt or whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, you can spice it up however you want or don't.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Ground black pepper, garnishes go crazy.

[SPEAKER_09]: like whatever make a salad make it breakfast.

[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I've had them with bacon in them.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, I mean, it's yes, I think that I've had that too.

[SPEAKER_09]: I had like a big and I'll hand the bacon to Lonnie because I don't eat bacon.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, so what you do is you add all your ingredients to the shaker or mixing glass you mix gently.

[SPEAKER_09]: If using a shaker simply rolled over.

[SPEAKER_10]: don't shake it.

[SPEAKER_09]: You don't have to shake it.

[SPEAKER_09]: It'll just keep it better.

[SPEAKER_09]: Pour the ice filled pour into the ice filled rocks or Collins glass and garnish to your heart's content.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like we said, making breakfast.

[SPEAKER_09]: Enjoy because I really like Bloody Mary's.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think they're tasty.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do too.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's it is it is good and especially if you have like a nice salty whatever go with it that's oftentimes why it a tailgate you'll have like a good salty burger and you know nice salty bloody Mary kind of goes again and yeah and then you need water which of course spurs you during water which you're probably not drinking enough of anyway.

[SPEAKER_09]: a friend of mine used to use clamato instead of tomato juice.

[SPEAKER_09]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's a more horse radish.

[SPEAKER_09]: I like spicy V8, but I don't have tomato juice.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: So it gives it a little more spice to it.

[SPEAKER_09]: There's lots and you can put salt on the rim.

[SPEAKER_09]: You can do all sorts of things.

[SPEAKER_03]: Make it the way you guys want to make it.

[SPEAKER_03]: But we give you the basic recipe right there at the politicsbar.com in the drink of the day.

[SPEAKER_03]: You got to subscribe to get the recipes though.

[SPEAKER_03]: So there you go.

[SPEAKER_03]: So what are you [SPEAKER_09]: I hope for 70 Democrats in the Senate and 350 Democrats in the house so that we have a veto prove everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe you.

[SPEAKER_09]: So that it's veto proof and we can impeach everybody.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am totally with Jody on that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I look, that is exactly, you and I are an exactly the same page on that one.

[SPEAKER_03]: That would be, you know, in each anybody who has done the crap that they did this last year.

[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, I'm glad for all the the great things that we had in 2025.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got no blinders on.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not in some kind of a fog where I think 2026 is going to be perfect and suddenly we'll push all these months.

[SPEAKER_03]: If if some magical thing happened and suddenly Democrats, good solid Democrats who want to fight and actually make some progress.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, got in and suddenly took over the house and the Senate and the White House and we got rid of the the the horribly unjust people on the Supreme Court.

[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some magic snap your fingers.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care.

[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still not diluted enough to think that that's going to fix all the problems we have.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's not we we still got a whole lot of things to fix.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I get it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it'll, it's gonna take some time, but I am with you and I think that especially given all of the elections that we won in 2025 and by such huge ass margins, I mean the Kentucky one right before we went on.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that was huge.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was what was it like 40 something on point?

[SPEAKER_09]: 47 point.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, that's like Kentucky.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: I am glad that Mitch is like, I'm glad I'm retiring, you know, yeah, but you know, it's if you notice it's taking the wild to get to the door, I mean that that does that well he is a turtleneck a slow fact that you and I collided getting to that point he might be eating some some celery off of his bloody Mary right now [SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, look at that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Jody's brilliant, wrap-in-in the drink of the day today.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is January 1st, we are still playing some fast-tooth stuff as well as giving you some new stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, look, next hour, we've got a couple good interviews in fact, Chris Geidner.

[SPEAKER_03]: he did call his shot like six months before the Supreme Court said they were going to retackle that case.

[SPEAKER_03]: We are going to go back and play that just so that you guys are a little bit more refreshed because it's a new year.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to be tackling that case again.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you should look market in your podcast because you're going to want it when the Supreme Court tackles it again.

[SPEAKER_03]: So [SPEAKER_03]: Chris, guys, are coming up tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see who do we have.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we have some stuff from Glenn Kirchner and Joe Walsh and Mayor Karen Bass.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Karen and Anita are going to be stopping by tomorrow night.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good night to look.

[SPEAKER_03]: Freshing a drink, dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: You got to do.

[SPEAKER_03]: We will be back with more of the best of the politics.

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[SPEAKER_03]: First Thursday, you think here's Palmix, Marjo, you just had enough.

[SPEAKER_03]: We will replay you a little bit more of that Kimberley Johnson interview talking a little bit about the media, but we need to do on that.

[SPEAKER_03]: We've also got the Chris Guider interview from this last summer coming up.

[SPEAKER_03]: He called his shots six months in advance.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to take the birthright citizenship case on the merits.

[SPEAKER_03]: He did.

[SPEAKER_03]: But for now, let's go back to Kimberley Johnson right here on the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: We have the one and only Kimberly Johnson to start me a podcast because, you know, she's our friend and, you know, she has to be both.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she actually, you had Brian Keramon recently as well, who we have.

[SPEAKER_03]: We like Brian.

[SPEAKER_03]: I like Sarah Burris.

[SPEAKER_03]: I have, I have been friends with been acquainted with Sarah Burris for, Oh, God, I don't know, 10, 12 years.

[SPEAKER_05]: She's cool.

[SPEAKER_05]: She's really cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's great.

[SPEAKER_03]: She is another person kind of like some of us that I mean, like most people don't necessarily know Kimberly that you are the medium avid at MSW that that when they see, you know, like they see a post that comes up from the daily beans or they see the post of any of the MSW shows including ours that they're like, wait a minute, who does that?

[SPEAKER_05]: The answer everyone's wondering.

[SPEAKER_05]: I have to be honest, I do create some of the graphics, but there's another person who also creates graphics.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: Or it's either or.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a bond with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: You could you are you are generous that way and sharing the credit, which is good.

[SPEAKER_05]: I know you guys have your own, so I don't do yours, but I do the ones for MSW.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: And look, it helps to get the word out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Media is alternative media is so important these days.

[SPEAKER_03]: So getting the word out on almost everything that's out there.

[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, it is one of those unusual things that I don't think.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think people realize how much it takes to do media, to do audio, to do video.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a ton of stuff out there.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then when they're they're looking and they're seeing these numbers.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're being tossed around with paramount and yeah, all of that stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, we have a jump on around here a little bit in the news on tap today in the fifth round segment, meeting entertainment and more.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is now confirmed and official Tony Dokepill is the new anchor of CBS evening news, whatever they're moving to a propaganda outlet.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it'll be Fox light.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: I saw a promo for something about Barry Weiss doing something with, uh, what's your hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: If it were me typing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: I can't even imagine.

[SPEAKER_05]: And like days later, she's in all her, you know, garb and gear leather hot pants and her hand on the JVV.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's like, I would never do that to anybody.

[SPEAKER_05]: Anybody.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even do it to Bob.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, even when you guys are with a refrigerator, you still don't do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: None of that.

[SPEAKER_05]: No.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's not even my way.

[SPEAKER_05]: But I mean, look, I get it.

[SPEAKER_05]: Some people are more handsy and touching.

[SPEAKER_05]: Let's find.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: But it's not even about that.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's about.

[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, the way they were touching each other was really weird.

[SPEAKER_03]: Very inappropriate.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: It's like something I do not believe.

[SPEAKER_05]: Whatever we've been told about all of it, I don't know what the real story is, but there's something so wrong.

[SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[SPEAKER_05]: It is red flashing lights.

[SPEAKER_05]: Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[SPEAKER_05]: I can't, you know, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, to me, that kind of, that kind of goes along with, there's a piece we have that's in the news on to have from Dave Dan, over in American progress, who, as we mentioned before, great folks there, that he says Warner Brothers has never been more critically or financially successful.

[SPEAKER_03]: So why the hell are they for sale at all?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's, and some of it, as, you know, you and I talked about Jody, yeah, I mean, it was yesterday.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: Someone has to deal with the debt, but some of it just makes absolutely no freaking sense whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because most of the people who work in film and television, visual production media, they don't want it.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, we need the competition.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the oligarchs is the problem.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, God yes, big time, huge problem oligarchs.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we need to stop this consolidation of of everything we've got what six airlines basically yeah basically what like four or five major and then there's like 10 minor radio owners, so basically about 15 companies owning all the thousands of radio stations and newspapers are going away, yep, some of those TV and radio own newspapers to these days are in the same market, which is wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, like, Sinclair broadcasting and then, uh, just like, a book Times and things like that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And they know, I just want to say one thing really quickly about, because I've, I've been noticing the changes on Facebook.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I, well, I'm still on it.

[SPEAKER_05]: I know it's gross, but whatever.

[SPEAKER_05]: Um, [SPEAKER_05]: The couple of different things I've noticed are like in those little reels that come down.

[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if you guys have seen this, but there's I'm seeing a lot of like somebody with a camera walking up to homeless people who look awful.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're starving.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're drugs.

[SPEAKER_05]: Whatever it is, it's awful.

[SPEAKER_05]: And they're not even, it's not that they're even helping them.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're just photographing them.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then it's not a way algorithm.

[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't seen something like this.

[SPEAKER_05]: I tried to block them and it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_05]: Then there's also a, for instance, I saw, and I don't remember who it was, but it was a, it was supposedly a rock musician who stopped.

[SPEAKER_05]: You know posting their stuff on Amazon.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_05]: And so I think I saw a miley Cyrus do it and I don't even remember if that's real And then it was somebody else and then it was somebody else and then I started Googling it and the only source was Facebook See it's But that's what you're doing.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're doing the thing that that people should be doing when it comes to their media literacy [SPEAKER_03]: is going to see if one of the, literally, one of the, the first rules of journalism 101 is find two or more independent sources that aren't tied to the same thing that have a same or similar story.

[SPEAKER_03]: That if you've got two or three friends coming to you from two or three different directions, people you've known in your life, people you knew when you were a kid, people you knew when you were a little bit older, people who you've recently met and they're all coming to you and you know they all have different media diets and yet they all say the same thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're all like, oh my god, like I heard that 50% of the United States right now is having income problems and they can't even really afford the basics of life that happens to be true.

[SPEAKER_03]: There are several studies that have said this.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's nice that, you know, these studies didn't all come from the same place.

[SPEAKER_03]: These people, if they were saying this to you, but that's how you do it is any piece of information.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that includes the videos that you see on social media, whether, you know, whatever the platform is, if somebody shows you something, it says, hey, have you seen this?

[SPEAKER_03]: And then you go look it up.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if the only place that it's coming from is what or Twitter or one of the other ones.

[SPEAKER_03]: Then you go, yeah, no, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the local sources like AP or something like that, but when it's coming only from Facebook, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: And seeing a lot of that and what happens is people are commenting.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're just buying it.

[SPEAKER_05]: They're not even looking at that.

[SPEAKER_05]: And then there are some people, though, that want to come by and point out that it's not true.

[SPEAKER_05]: But what they don't realize they're doing is by engaging with that post in any way, they are implying it and putting it in all the other feeds.

[SPEAKER_05]: And not everyone else is going and reading those comments, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: story.

[SPEAKER_05]: So you think, oh, I'm going to debunk this by commenting and saying, AI or whatever, no, you're just, they did want you to engage.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's engagement at any cost.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's, and, and that is oftentimes, that's the way that Maga does their politics, too, is punch at somebody, get them mad, you know, say, say, nasty things about women, and then you can get them to, like, for example, with Donald Trump, he doesn't, there's a lot of things they don't want you to talk about.

[SPEAKER_03]: they don't want to talk about the economy that sucks.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to talk about the health care issues that they can't control.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of things they don't want.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're sitting there spending the time that you're talking with your friends talking about, oh my god, did you hear that Donald Trump, you know, he slurred this.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's the black person here and he, you know, he trashed Ilhan Omar and Boba.

[SPEAKER_03]: that's what they want you to be talking about.

[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want you to be talking about the substantive issues that are out there.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's it's definitely something we have to watch.

[SPEAKER_03]: Although although even these big media companies are not immune to the vagaries of social media.

[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like Paramount's ex Twitter account got hacked.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the little description under it, we got a link to that also in the fifth round today.

[SPEAKER_03]: It says that it was hacked to read proud arm of the fascist regime, which I'm going to give that a bell because I like it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry folks.

[SPEAKER_03]: There is, by the way, if you like South Park, there is going to be a holiday episode of South Park as well.

[SPEAKER_03]: Satan is set to have Trump's Antichrist baby.

[SPEAKER_03]: on something.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you can check out the details.

[SPEAKER_03]: They are there in the news on tap.

[SPEAKER_03]: Trumponomics, by the way, is absolutely failing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, there is the thing that happened in the Pennsylvania.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's always sucked.

[SPEAKER_03]: The Fed did cut rates again by a quarter point today.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the third straight time, but it's basically because Trump's job market sucks.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, and y'all remember when Comble was campaigning a year ago.

[SPEAKER_03]: And she said one of the things that she really wanted to tackle more was the price gouging.

[SPEAKER_03]: New study confirms Instacart's AI enabled pricing is allowing them to goug you by as much as 23% almost a quarter.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so if if Kamala had been here chances are good, there would already be action to stop gouging But since it's Donald Trump air publicans.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah If Kamala were here so many things would be better.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, God.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, if she were in charge That's there there's a piece I didn't we didn't get it in the news on tap today But there is a piece I don't know if you saw it Joe any one of the New York Times [SPEAKER_03]: That they did a little little piece on Kamala says Kamala's not going away and like I saw that I'm like she's she's does she's not going away But she's also either Exactly, but she's also not being out there every single moment of the day [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's doing things behind the scenes still.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's still working with people.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's still guiding.

[SPEAKER_03]: She helped out with, um, after and vain.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know that some people saw that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and, uh, hey, I mean, after painted really well.

[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't win that did fantastically well.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's one of those where you go, oh, I didn't realize she was involved with that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think she helped with some of the stuff down in Georgia.

[SPEAKER_03]: Some of the races they've been running.

[SPEAKER_03]: And as you know, one of the special [SPEAKER_03]: you know just because you don't see the things that people are doing doesn't mean they're not doing good things and it also doesn't mean that you know some of the things that are behind the scenes out there as Kimberly did it or not necessarily always good so check your sources people by the way that's why we actually make the news on tap free so you guys can grab from the tap and just pour whenever we always go through it joddy and I [SPEAKER_03]: literally probably half the work that we do is for the news on tap, but it makes it so everybody here can have a good conversation.

[SPEAKER_03]: We can all talk with each other about this type of stuff as opposed to being like, you know, what the hell am I talking about?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's why you guys know what's going on.

[SPEAKER_03]: So [SPEAKER_03]: You want to check out the details are there.

[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, tomorrow, I know Kimberly Bob has said he is still doubtful that the Senate will, but it is scheduled.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's on the calendar now.

[SPEAKER_03]: Senate Republicans have set up a vote on the health care plans.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they've gone.

[SPEAKER_03]: They had about five.

[SPEAKER_03]: They narrowed it down to the version that they're going with is health savings accounts.

[SPEAKER_09]: So we're going to do give you like a $20 million, because that's the only way it's going to cover, right?

[SPEAKER_05]: No, you know, they already did that back in 2009 and they did it right didn't work.

[SPEAKER_05]: And I hated it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, no.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, guess what?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's that's the Republicans.

[SPEAKER_03]: The Democrats are saying, and simple, let's just extend the ACA subsidies.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that is the exact fight that is going to be facing everybody in Congress here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Come next week.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, healthcare fight is on that will be a top topic.

[SPEAKER_03]: with Jody and I come back into the bar full time next week so by the way if you missed any of our great best of plus shows during this holiday session look easy thing you could do so you can subscribe at the politics bar dot com six dollars a month get to the podcast ad free get to the drink the day with the recipe and get to the news on tap which we will be returning to the news on tap coming up next week as well [SPEAKER_03]: Right now, we've got, uh, coming up the interview with Chris Guy and we did it from this last summer.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is about citizenship and Supreme Court is taking up birthright citizenship case on the merits.

[SPEAKER_03]: Guy, you're called that six months in advance.

[SPEAKER_03]: He said it's going to go out.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to come back.

[SPEAKER_03]: You want to stick around and listen to this interview right here.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is a Thursday night January 1st here on the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hang on.

[SPEAKER_10]: We'll be right back tomorrow of the best at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_11]: Welcome back to the best of the politics bar with Sean Smith, Pierce and Jodi Hamilton.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're in sensed obviously about the big ugly disgusting, stupid, horrible horrendous bill, and that is important, but you know, we just still have a little fire in us because of stupid Supreme Court decisions, of which they seem to go on forever.

[SPEAKER_03]: Chris Guyner, legal expert extraordinaire who I have chatted with online for I literally do not know how long you and I have been chatting there, man.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're here at the politics bar tonight.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, [SPEAKER_03]: It goes back to like the days when you know before Blue Sky and all that when it was just Twitter and direct message.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, yeah, it's it's it's basically it's like you.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Ellie mistal, uh, Steve Flatic, Lea Littman, these are most Melissa Murray.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, our our legal legal people, you know, Glenn Kirchner.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, [SPEAKER_03]: We have this legal army because as soon as something stupid happens, it's like, you know, we're just people who talk on the air.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just a former rock and roll DJ.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it helps to actually have somebody who knows what he's talking about.

[SPEAKER_03]: I saw a lot of arguments this weekend.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you see I'm Jody?

[SPEAKER_03]: Did you see, was it Friday?

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was George Conway and Melissa Murray.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're actually going at each other about this.

[SPEAKER_09]: I did not watch that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got it.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've got the [SPEAKER_03]: So here's the thing, because I know that Ellie said basically, this is the end of the world, and just several other people are like, it's not so much.

[SPEAKER_03]: The nationwide injunction decision on birthright citizenship, Chris, is it an, is it an, oh my god, is it a, there's nothing big here, is it something in the middle?

[SPEAKER_06]: I, I, um, [SPEAKER_06]: I think it is a little of both in a way.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's not quite in the middle, which is maybe a weird answer, but I think you have this [SPEAKER_06]: issue with the Roberts court that we may be saw most clearly with the way that they approached the immunity case where if not to PTSD everybody with that.

[SPEAKER_06]: But if you remember, one of the things that always stands out to me about that is that there had actually been a request [SPEAKER_06]: from Jack Smith for them to take that up before the DC circuit, heard it, which is called, before judgment, and that would have fast-forwarded everything six months, and the Supreme Court rejected that.

[SPEAKER_06]: No one wrote, no one noted their dissent and if it's long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long, [SPEAKER_06]: What that meant is that it as lopsided as the ruling was when it came out, the ways that it allowed for things to move forward effectively didn't at that point because there wasn't enough time for a judge chucking to really even go through and figure out what this would have meant and how it would have been applied, which then, as you know, would have been appealed.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's sort of the feeling I got on Friday is that we had this ruling that went much further than it needed to go in Trump's favor, that they didn't, and I [SPEAKER_06]: similar to the immunity rolling I think that like they were so focused on the outcome of this case that they missed the the forest for the trees for the Trump tree and in protecting their one Trump tree they didn't realize that they like set up now our protection for all the trees [SPEAKER_03]: And so you're saying they set up protection for all the trees.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you're saying that the nationwide in junctions, because there were people who were saying nationwide in junctions as a total or dead.

[SPEAKER_06]: And you're saying not really, and they can enter, they are, and that's the thing.

[SPEAKER_06]: They protected all of these acts of people against nationwide in junctions.

[SPEAKER_06]: even though like they're going to realize over time I mean some of which they were told in briefs and arguments that these are used in a lot of ways and a lot of times I saw somebody [SPEAKER_06]: text book case.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_06]: Now do you be tonight.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's right.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_06]: The books the LGBTQ text books case.

[SPEAKER_06]: does that only apply to the plaintiffs and does that mean that any other parent who wants to wants to get an opt-out needs to like soon now Marilyn Montgomery County changed their policy already so it doesn't [SPEAKER_06]: really matter, but it's this, this idea that we have even where we don't have nationwide injunctions, we have lots of injunctions that are issued in lots of cases that go beyond the language of what the court gave and what the court said is completely relieving the needs of the [SPEAKER_06]: and so that that would mean only the classrooms where the kids are attending.

[SPEAKER_06]: So that would not mean any classroom that these plaintiffs students aren't in.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you're saying some of these right wingers.

[SPEAKER_03]: probably like Kasmarik in Texas who loved to use the nationwide injunction to try to stop all kinds of stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to be running headlong like a buzzsaw into this same ruling as well on Casa because they'll want to put a nationwide or nationwide injunctions they've put before and other courts will say, sorry, it now only applies to the people in that individual suit.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, so sorry for you, you don't have the reach.

[SPEAKER_03]: If everybody else wants that, they're going to have to file a suit too.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and a question that I have is also there's there there are permanent injunctions that have been issued that have been in place for for long time for yeah for for decades and thinking I mean some of them are are going to have been classes and class actions were not affected by this [SPEAKER_06]: for these other injunctions that were issued.

[SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't be surprised if there are some people who are smart lawyers who are going through older cases and are now going to try to like file motions to reopen previously entered injunctions and say that this this saw is illegal.

[SPEAKER_06]: So all these things that the right thought they thought that they could get over on this, especially the right way for judge justices, and now they've done in in the Obama and Biden era, right there are our lawyers looking through things right now.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're going to Swiss cheese the hell out of those as well.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it is a double edged sword that cuts both ways and they only wanted it to cut one way and that's simply not how law works.

[SPEAKER_06]: And on the other side, this is also true.

[SPEAKER_06]: What did they leave open?

[SPEAKER_06]: Like in theory, and this is the reason why when you're reading things from people who are saying that this is this ruling was okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: What they're saying is, yeah, like, [SPEAKER_06]: Even if you think the court might have gone a little too far with this, they, there are other mechanisms.

[SPEAKER_06]: There are other ways of getting broad relief.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so that's where the ACLU is coming in with the class action lawsuit.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that's.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's.

[SPEAKER_03]: Can you can you write a decrease?

[SPEAKER_03]: Cause I mean, that's what they mean.

[SPEAKER_03]: People, people who are distraught are like, Oh, my God.

[SPEAKER_03]: What do I do?

[SPEAKER_03]: This is what they can do or at least this is what they can recommend other people.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there are a few things where the court either didn't resolve the question or affirmatively said it still exists, they, the first one, the big one is class actions.

[SPEAKER_06]: Everybody agrees this ruling had nothing to do with class action lawsuits.

[SPEAKER_06]: even even Justice Alito who was a little upset and worried about it.

[SPEAKER_06]: He basically said class action lawsuits could be a loophole that would like effectively get around this rolling.

[SPEAKER_06]: And what class action lawsuits are is it's basically rather than [SPEAKER_06]: a nationwide injunction where you just go in with like three or four people who sue and then you ask for your relief to be striking down this entire executive order.

[SPEAKER_06]: What class action lawsuits do and we we saw this most recently in the case challenging the anti-trans passport policy [SPEAKER_06]: of the Trump administration.

[SPEAKER_06]: What they did was they filed a class action lawsuit and said we want two classes.

[SPEAKER_06]: We want anybody who is seeking a passport that is an M or F that does not [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: And would therefore be banned under the passport policy, right?

[SPEAKER_06]: And then anyone who was seeking an ex marker on their passport, which would not be in accordance with the sex they were assigned [SPEAKER_06]: I believe up in Massachusetts granted that class, those two classes, and granted a preliminary injunction in their favor on those two classes and since that's actions like that, don't affect somebody within a specific geographic area or a specific legal jurisdiction.

[SPEAKER_03]: It has to be in order to get complete relief.

[SPEAKER_03]: giving those people that it has to be a nationwide injunction.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, no, no, no, their class was nationwide.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but they asked for a nationwide class.

[SPEAKER_06]: The one area where we've seen when that isn't the case is the once all of the alien enemies' actual litigation went into habeas.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_06]: Corpus actions because the Supreme Court said that's the only place you could challenge the alien enemies act what they have done is Only brought those as classes within the various district of the federal districts because [SPEAKER_06]: The reason for that rationale is that a habeas purpose action only you only have jurisdiction in the district where the person is located and so therefore the broadest [SPEAKER_06]: So that's a case where the class is and you'll see it in the corridors.

[SPEAKER_06]: It will say all persons subject to or who might be subject to the alien enemies act proclamation within the Southern District of Texas.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's that was kind of the the important thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm glad you kind of went there with that because that's something that I think for a lot of laypeople who don't understand legal stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: Joe, he's taken some legal classes.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've taken some legal classes.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we kind of get some of this Chris, but for a lot of people they don't quite understand all of this and they go, well it was a class action like the Alien enemies act well why couldn't it [SPEAKER_03]: So your explanation definitely handles that one and absolutely, yeah, I'm I'm glad see this is why we have great expert to come in and do this we we were struggling a bit on Friday weren't we journey we were [SPEAKER_06]: there's there's two other ways that there could be broader really okay and I just want to quickly say no that's important one is I know we've got 800 other cases and other things we want to talk about okay this is the one and it's mentioned a couple of times in footnotes and stuff and it's one that [SPEAKER_06]: Justice Barrett says we aren't resolving this is, and this is speaking of Judge Casemaric, something that he has relied on in Judge Rita O'Connor has relied on, and that is the administrative procedure act.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_06]: When you bring the lawsuit under the administrative procedure act, one of the things that you're doing is challenging a regulation.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: And the question there is traditionally the remedy that you would get is vacator, which is tossing out the regulation.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: And the question then is.

[SPEAKER_06]: under the APA is vacator or something that applies to everyone or does it only apply to the plaintiffs?

[SPEAKER_06]: And they didn't answer.

[SPEAKER_06]: Now, most people have said in the past that vacator is vacator.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_06]: If you've got the secretary of health and human services as the defendant in your court in your vacating the rule, right.

[SPEAKER_06]: that word sounds pretty, pretty sensible.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's pretty logical as to what it means.

[SPEAKER_03]: If RFK Jr makes a really bad rule and that rule gets vacated for everything that he's doing, logically, that would vacate it for the whole country.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's logic logic.

[SPEAKER_06]: But now, you could have said the same thing about nationwide injunctions.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know who was in, uh, I don't even, I mean, beyond Trump, like whatever cabinets secretaries are named in the case, um, because we won't get into it, but basically everybody agrees you can't enjoy the president.

[SPEAKER_06]: All right.

[SPEAKER_06]: And for you, you can enjoy other officials.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so you can declare a lot or policy invalid, but you can enjoy all of the official below the president.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so Chris, can we hold you over from their segment because we've got more questions for you.

[SPEAKER_03]: We do have more with Chris Guider, including his discussion about the Supreme Court, bringing back the case on birthright citizenship tomorrow, we've got it up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Busy Day, Glenn Kirster, Joe Walsh, L.A.

Mayor, Karen Bass, and Karen Kennedy to plus a new drink of the day, but we do have more with Chris Guider, so first time to drink, stick around one more segment here on a Thursday night.

[SPEAKER_03]: At the politics bar, hang on.

[SPEAKER_10]: We'll be right back with more of the best of the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_11]: Welcome back to the best of the politics bar with Sean Smith, Pierce, and Jodi Hamilton.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're hanging out with the one and only Chris Geiner.

[SPEAKER_03]: The legal expert who is definitely helping us understand all of this.

[SPEAKER_03]: We'll have to go over the drink of the day a little bit later, Chris.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's good.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a sunset slushy and it's non-alcoholic.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, if you can celebrate Pride, much you go to any Pride celebrations this month.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we have in DC, we're always, we're, we're at the beginning of the month.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm in the DC area too.

[SPEAKER_03]: Joe, he's in the middle.

[SPEAKER_06]: We had a, a ton with, with world pride being here.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: I was, but by the, the 10th, when all of my New York friends were celebrating this weekend, I was like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm prideed out.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know that there was we had WCPT is one of our affiliates in Chicago.

[SPEAKER_03]: They had big pride parade this weekend.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: AM-950 Minneapolis Saint Paul.

[SPEAKER_03]: They had a big pride parade this weekend.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying for Cisco with this weekend.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: LA and DC are both at the beginning of the month.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but there's West Hollywood and then there's Hollywood and then there's LA.

[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, of course, if you're going to celebrate pride, celebrated every day, every way you can, and, you know, that is, that is always a good thing to do.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll get to the full recipe on the drink of the day and a little bit later.

[SPEAKER_03]: We definitely want to get back to more of this Supreme Court stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, as it stands right now, here's the weird thing with the, um, [SPEAKER_03]: The 14th Amendment, it says, who is a citizen and who is not, at least, it's supposed to.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So they've got 30 days.

[SPEAKER_03]: The Trump regime does to try to institute these policies.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I've had 30 days pending other legal stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: They'll be able to start putting this into effect.

[SPEAKER_03]: Correct me if I'm wrong.

[SPEAKER_03]: But what that means that in the 20, was it 28 states that are going with Trump that that will cut off a citizenship for some people in the 22 that are against him that it won't.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, one, we don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I'll get to that.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's important.

[SPEAKER_06]: Two.

[SPEAKER_06]: I, we're going to need to get to that first because I'm not even willing to save her to so the the whole the decision and this was another example of how it was like the immunity decision with the kind of boy did the question they kind of walk they didn't even address the the issue that was before them.

[SPEAKER_06]: about what these injunctions, what was allowed, what they said is like that the that we've got like okay so nationwide injunctions, universal injunctions as they've been called are no longer allowed, but what they said therefore is that the filament, the [SPEAKER_06]: DOJs request to stay the preliminary injunctions are granted, but only to the extent that the injunctions are broader than necessary to provide complete relief to each plaintiff with standing too soon.

[SPEAKER_06]: There's a clear order from the court.

[SPEAKER_06]: Claire's mug, tell me that you couldn't get, like that, that honestly is a clear sign, one that they rushed to that they couldn't get everybody on board with something more specific, and three that were nowhere near done, [SPEAKER_03]: that's awesome that we're nowhere near done at least.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, Jody.

[SPEAKER_09]: I have a question.

[SPEAKER_09]: So with what Donald wants to do, he basically says, if you're born as somebody is undocumented, which is either the parent, either parent correct.

[SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't matter if one of them is a U.S.

citizen.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, there's weird wording in the actual order that, honestly, [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, some of it, I think has to do with like physicality of child birth, because like, if a person is born in the United States, the person with a uterus is the person giving birth.

[SPEAKER_06]: So that person is physically going to be located in the US when they get birth.

[SPEAKER_06]: So because of that, the.

[SPEAKER_06]: The order is worded so that there are things about like if the man is a citizen, if the the woman is not.

[SPEAKER_06]: But essentially the what they're going to be spending the next 30 days putting in order are like [SPEAKER_06]: figuring out what those implementation rules would be and who gets a birth certificate and who doesn't.

[SPEAKER_06]: But as to the injunction, the first question before, while the government can be doing that behind the scenes, what the judges are going to have to start doing is deciding [SPEAKER_06]: the states argued that the Democratic states who sued argued that a nationwide in Junction was necessary to give them complete relief.

[SPEAKER_06]: And the judges in their orders said that, they didn't say we're granting a nationwide in Junction because we think that we have the power to [SPEAKER_06]: issue a ruling that binds all, right?

[SPEAKER_06]: They said that in order to relieve the States, because particularly the Massachusetts case, New Jersey is the lead plaintiff, and they explained, look, we have thousands of children born every year in Pennsylvania.

[SPEAKER_06]: and they use the fact that a Republican was elected attorney general in Pennsylvania this year and did not join the lawsuit elected last year took office this year and did not join the lawsuit.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so therefore, [SPEAKER_06]: if you don't grant nationwide relief does that mean that every child born because their family's hospital, their health insurance gives them a Philadelphia hospital is not a citizen.

[SPEAKER_06]: Does it mean they become a citizen when they come home?

[SPEAKER_06]: Does that mean what happens if they move like all all of these questions and like there there are things about Social security numbers are automatically assigned at the hospital like based on the birth certificate.

[SPEAKER_06]: So does that mean that a new system needs to be set up for these new jersey babies when they come across in all of these things basically lead both.

[SPEAKER_06]: The district court judge in Massachusetts and there was another smaller multi-state suit in Washington to issue nationwide injunctions on that basis.

[SPEAKER_06]: So those are the court did not resolve that, did not even say that those are not necessarily appropriate.

[SPEAKER_06]: I forget the language that she used, but she basically said those are trickier cases.

[SPEAKER_06]: Um, that's like the, uh, is that why we said to them is because it's tricky.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's, it's, it's truly wild.

[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and so that's now going to go back to the, the, um, to the, it's more complicated.

[SPEAKER_06]: She didn't say trickier, but in my Friday afternoon mind, that's how I read it.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, when she said it's more complicated, yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, would it be retroactive to people that were say born to, I don't know, Ivana Trump before she was a citizen.

[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: When the Trump who's overstayed her visa and was illegal for a long time.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, conveniently, even the order only says as of like February 19 or something.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of a hit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think the ACLU, I think that's their suit, too, as they said everybody after February 19th, who's basically born in the US, which then, of course, the only way to get complete relief is to cover every one of the US, which would be, well, now there's another question, unresolved is, would the, if the, the Supreme Court said that the, [SPEAKER_06]: stay doesn't go into effect as to section two for 30 days, which is like July 26, July 27.

[SPEAKER_06]: Does that mean that the activation date is back on the February date, right?

[SPEAKER_06]: Because they're [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: So that's not resolved.

[SPEAKER_06]: And these, I mean, already today, the Maryland Judge Judge Boardman heard a first sort of status conference over the CASA plaintiffs, which were the organizational plaintiffs.

[SPEAKER_06]: before the court, in this case, they immediately filed a class action amended complaint and a TRO under that request under that in addition to the new case filed by the ACLU that's a class action case up in New Hampshire.

[SPEAKER_06]: Both of those cases had status conferences today.

[SPEAKER_06]: The one in New Hampshire is going on while we're recording this [SPEAKER_06]: the Judge Boardman or held hers at 2 p.m.

Eastern time today and it is very clear that everything is still clear as mud about how [SPEAKER_06]: How this is going to fall out, DOJ at the hearing before Judge Boardman was not yet willing to say what DOJ's position would be as to the proper scope of the injunction before the [SPEAKER_06]: And they said they are going to fight class action certification in at least the Catholic case, but I'm sure it will also be as long as your case didn't didn't the justices who dissented didn't they warn of this?

[SPEAKER_03]: didn't they say that if this happened, this is going to splinter this into a bajillion different pieces.

[SPEAKER_03]: All of this is going to end up coming back to the Supreme Court at another time and it's going to be 10 or 100 or 1000 times worse and none of this addresses the key thing which is Trump's executive order is trying to basically break the 14th amendment.

[SPEAKER_03]: and an amendment to the Constitution Trump's an executive order any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I think the...

[SPEAKER_06]: the bottom line difference where this does hit a wall of difference to the immunity rolling is unlike Trump's election sort of putting that dead in the water.

[SPEAKER_06]: They're not going to be able to get away with avoiding this because you've got, I mean, I judge [SPEAKER_06]: I've never had to say his name out allowed.

[SPEAKER_06]: I just realized I think it's coffin hour.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: In Washington, uh, who was the first judge to hear a challenge to the birth rates it is in chip order.

[SPEAKER_06]: He's the Republican appointee who said like this is like, [SPEAKER_06]: the most unconstitutional thing I've seen right so it's a way to be changed by what the Supreme Court did this this last this last week and so I would not be surprised if he doesn't keep his ruling nationwide and so that's going to go right back to the Supreme Court they're going to have to rule on [SPEAKER_06]: This is appropriate nationwide in this case.

[SPEAKER_06]: And it sounds like you're going to get classes under probably judge boardmen.

[SPEAKER_06]: If not, the new Hampshire case as well, that means the class action is going to go off.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so, they're even if that then takes another round back down, eventually the court is going to have to deal with the bottom line clear, unconstitutional executive order itself.

[SPEAKER_03]: So as Chris guide your said, the Supreme Court is going to hear that birthright citizenship challenge coming up this year, we will maybe bring it back when they do actually look at the case again tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_03]: Big day, Glenn Kirster is going to be in as well as Joe Walls, LA Mayor Karen Bass will have a brand new drink the day and Karen and Anita are going to be stopping by live to help us out.

[SPEAKER_03]: So what?

[SPEAKER_03]: be a nice way to close out this holiday period.

[SPEAKER_03]: Look, get home safe, dude you gotta do is a Thursday night.

[SPEAKER_03]: Tomorrow we Friday, January 2nd, and we will see you here at the politics party.

[SPEAKER_03]: Have a good evening.