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[SPEAKER_01]: Shocksmith Pearson, Jodie Hamilton.

[UNKNOWN]: Jodie.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, honestly, not bad.

[SPEAKER_08]: I got a haircut today.

[SPEAKER_08]: In fact, actually I got several of them cut today.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know, cut one.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like to feed the purpose, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: For example, although, you know, there are some people like my college roommate who lives up in the city, so he only has about one or two work.

[SPEAKER_04]: Does he call it brown?

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, no, he's much better than that.

[SPEAKER_08]: He can act much better than that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Hey Josh, how you doing?

[SPEAKER_08]: By the way, he is listening on AM9 50 up in the cities.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And of course for you future people, big thanks to you as well.

[SPEAKER_08]: we are we we we didn't have time because today we have time to get your future people t-shirt up because today is a busy day today is the day that Jody has 3,280 podcasts and shows and radio shows and things I heard you on with Miss Miller this morning in the gang so [SPEAKER_08]: I have to say, I honestly, you know, I mean, it is a good dynamic these days with Bella.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love her so much.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: I miss you.

[SPEAKER_04]: But, man, she was a really good.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, I love, I love Kamiski.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, he is, he is another one of the other shons.

[SPEAKER_08]: Because there's, there's so much shons.

[SPEAKER_08]: Me.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, it's a good name.

[SPEAKER_08]: What can I say?

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, where we are.

[SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, but yeah, so no, Kamiski is great, but he's, he's off doing the nursing thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: We got some medical stuff to talk about.

[SPEAKER_08]: Actually, we've got Dr.

Grammer who's going to be coming into talking about Donald Trump.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's Trump's magical cousin.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, we'll talk, we'll talk about health and mental health and physical health and maybe why you shouldn't eat like a quarter pounder with cheese and a big Mac and a filet of fish every [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, did he not see full size the movie?

[SPEAKER_08]: Probably not.

[SPEAKER_04]: Great thing found that the guy was also drinking, but still.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: There's, there's issues, but anyway.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then of course, honestly, the other Sean, we're talking about how many Sean's there are?

[SPEAKER_08]: Your old friend, Sean Barton, your former co-host on From the Bunker.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Hammond Lake Show.

[SPEAKER_04]: He started with the Hammond Lake Show, and then went to From the Bunker, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: How are his legs, by the way?

[SPEAKER_04]: They're a fent tester.

[SPEAKER_04]: he was named like by my mom.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no way really.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just because he said how I'm.

[SPEAKER_04]: Seriously, if I say like, she goes, oh, how is he?

[SPEAKER_08]: I can't go.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_08]: That is just too funny.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's she named in that in high school.

[SPEAKER_08]: Our parents have nicknames for our friends sometimes like that kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like my friend Rick is last name his faith.

[SPEAKER_08]: I said this before an air.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I feel like that's not a [SPEAKER_08]: And even though I've known his wife, almost as long as I've known him, it's easier because any time my mom is, it's just, it's weird to say Lucy.

[SPEAKER_08]: And why is it weird to say Lucy?

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm just talking about Lucy, she's just, she's married to Rick.

[SPEAKER_08]: Of course, my mom grew up with Ricky and Lucy, and, you know, but literally his legal name is Ricky, and he is married to Lucy, which, anyway.

[SPEAKER_08]: So he's, he's faithy and she's Lucy.

[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_08]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, parents, what can you do?

[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you, by the way, everybody joining us here at the bar tonight.

[SPEAKER_08]: We now for some folks that is a little bit of a bitter pill today, because today is, I know what you want to call it.

[SPEAKER_08]: The commemoration, the commemoration is more positive.

[SPEAKER_04]: The remembrance?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, that's a good word for it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Remember it's, I like that word, of January 6.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, the insurrection attack from the Megatrum supporters on our capital.

[SPEAKER_08]: And yes, I will continue to always call it the insurrection attack because that's what it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, uh, okay, so we've been nice to match lately, except for she is on a Patriots.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's well, but she's gone.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's out.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't, she is no longer a member of Congress.

[SPEAKER_08]: She does not have a podcast that I know of.

[SPEAKER_08]: And even if she does, I don't care.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and then we lost another Republican in the house we did actually in today's news on tap.

[SPEAKER_08]: Hopefully you guys got that.

[SPEAKER_08]: You can sign it for free to do that at the politics bar dot com.

[SPEAKER_08]: You can get the news on tap for free and other subscriptions there too.

[SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, in the news on tap today.

[SPEAKER_08]: If you go down to the fourth round in the on capital Hill section Republican House member Doug LaMalfa from Northern California died suddenly it's 65 today.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, well, relatively speaking, yeah, but Lamaltha, not exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: He was kind of bitching and complaining about them, doing all the switching of seats and things, which I'm like, well, whatever dude, at your party, you have to talk to him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And apparently Donald said he always voted with Donald, so that's the only good thing about most of the time.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's a safe Republican seat, by the way.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, yeah, but it won't be in the new redrawing if the California.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think there will be a special election prior to that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Um, uh, there might be that's what we'll have to work out.

[SPEAKER_08]: But for right now, tiny Johnson is even tinier.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a two, uh, 18 to two 13 and, uh, and where's it to 12?

[SPEAKER_08]: I can't remember because they last met.

[SPEAKER_08]: They lost magic.

[SPEAKER_08]: So that's Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's gone.

[SPEAKER_08]: Today's the sixth.

[SPEAKER_08]: Her last day was yesterday.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's out.

[SPEAKER_08]: The Malfa's out.

[SPEAKER_08]: There is an election or runoff election between two Democrats.

[SPEAKER_08]: where they have kind of uh...

they had kind of a jungle primary fuel in Houston so it's going to be between two democrats and that's coming up here later this month in Houston so there's going to be one more so tiny johnson is getting really even more speaker jeffries might be ours by the summer [SPEAKER_08]: I would like that.

[SPEAKER_08]: I would be, look, an average in an average Congress, any average Congress.

[SPEAKER_08]: I can't remember where I saw this.

[SPEAKER_08]: This was a few years ago.

[SPEAKER_08]: It says, over history.

[SPEAKER_08]: Every African Congress, each Congress is a new body every two years.

[SPEAKER_08]: And across an average Congress, across history, you lose an average of five to eight members every Congress.

[SPEAKER_08]: Whether somebody resigns, their spouse has health issues, they die.

[SPEAKER_08]: They have criminal issues and they have to leave.

[SPEAKER_08]: Whatever the case is, five to eight members on average every Congress.

[SPEAKER_08]: As it sits right now, there have been, I think, is it three Democrats that died since the election last fall?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so there were three Democrats that died.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think, let's see, there were one, there was one Republican at left for lobbying gig.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, Martha has died.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I mean, you're already sitting at five.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a five to eight member of average for each Congress.

[SPEAKER_08]: And you're already sitting at five.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: And this is only January 2026.

[SPEAKER_08]: You still got the whole rest of the year.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a strong numerical possibility in the time charts that people are going to follow matches.

[SPEAKER_08]: And why would they?

[SPEAKER_08]: Why wouldn't they?

[SPEAKER_08]: Republicans are getting their ass.

[SPEAKER_08]: They are looking at getting their ass whacked and rightfully so.

[SPEAKER_08]: As they should.

[SPEAKER_08]: My barber today, single mom, two kids, date a nice guy, maybe they'll get together and permanent or whatever, but, you know, they're doing stuff, but as far as her health insurance goes.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, she just found out, did she?

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I'm right till yesterday, yeah, and she's frustrated because she's trying to figure out how to cobble it together whether she's gonna follow your example or whether she's going to, you know, what she's gonna do.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so we start talking about this and then she's like, so this, this Venezuela war thing, I'm like, y'all.

[SPEAKER_08]: She says, run it by me real quick.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I said, OK, I said, well, it's a legal by international law.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a legal by Venezuela law to legal by US law.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it's totally illegal.

[SPEAKER_08]: What's it for?

[SPEAKER_08]: I said, oil.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's great.

[SPEAKER_08]: Another Iraq war.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, all right, you're right.

[SPEAKER_08]: I said, except the oil companies don't want it.

[SPEAKER_08]: We got a piece in the news on Tap the Day from Charlie Pierce, our wonderful friend, who I believe you saw earlier today, over the time.

[SPEAKER_08]: I did.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, which is great.

[SPEAKER_08]: We'll get Charlie back in the bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: He loves coming here.

[SPEAKER_08]: Um, but as Charlie notes in that piece that's in the news on tap, the oil companies don't want this right Because oil right now is about $60 a barrel.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a little bit under $60 a barrel.

[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh [SPEAKER_08]: for them assuming this was good quality oil in Venezuela and it's not, right, but it lets assume that it was, even if it was good quality oil, the price of oil would need to be about $75 a barrel for them to want to go into it.

[SPEAKER_08]: One of the reasons if Venezuela has so much oil, there are two, one of them is a similar reason to China.

[SPEAKER_08]: China actually has oil, it's a real pain to me as to get to.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a pain in the ass to get to don't invent as well as well.

[SPEAKER_08]: And the second reason is over the last 50 years.

[SPEAKER_08]: Private oil corporations have been screwed.

[SPEAKER_08]: Not once, not twice, but three times.

[SPEAKER_08]: Every time.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, come on in.

[SPEAKER_08]: Get your stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: Invest millions and billions.

[SPEAKER_08]: Dig in.

[SPEAKER_08]: Get your pipes together.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then.

[SPEAKER_04]: What did your Donald just say tax parallel pay for that and subsidize the oil industry?

[SPEAKER_08]: Jardies right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because because the oil companies are like, Dude, we've been screwed three times over the last 50 years.

[SPEAKER_08]: Every time we go in there, we get in there, we put the refineries together.

[SPEAKER_08]: We put the things together.

[SPEAKER_08]: We build the stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: We invest millions and millions and then the state comes in and says, mine and takes it over.

[SPEAKER_08]: And they're like, oh, we ain't going to play that game no more.

[SPEAKER_08]: We have no plus oil is under $60 a barrel.

[SPEAKER_08]: to get Venezuela oil, if oil was above $85 a barrel.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it makes no sense.

[SPEAKER_08]: And Donald was like, look, here's the deal.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to make these dumbasses pay for it.

[SPEAKER_08]: And she says, so it might my barber back to her.

[SPEAKER_08]: She says, wait a minute, let me get this straight.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it's not about.

[SPEAKER_08]: drugs said no because you know they they got the other the other uh...

central american guy that that trump just part and she said right any that and she said uh...

it's not about regime change because they're the same government is there other than the present they just they left everybody else there yes you are correct ma'am she says okay so it's and it's not really about oil because the old corporations don't want it no [SPEAKER_08]: She just looks at me, she says, this is just a tiny little waving context, isn't it?

[SPEAKER_04]: It could be, that's what Rachel Mato suggested last night.

[SPEAKER_08]: She doesn't even watch Mato and my barber came over the same thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, she suggested he just did it because he could, well, it's a tiny prick waving contest, is what it is.

[SPEAKER_08]: And look, we understand Donald Trump has a tiny Johnson.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't mean that one.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, unless you think Mike has a mushroom head and then whatever, that's, [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, but he does have that tiny Johnson in Congress, and they are actually this week.

[SPEAKER_08]: That tiny Johnson is set to a lot with Democrats and Republicans, spit back two bills that they passed only largely bipartisan bases, one of which is supposed to be for a water pipeline in eastern Colorado to get to the towns out there, but I'm saying they're going [SPEAKER_08]: You know, there are things that there are times where Republicans cannot control their tiny Jones.

[SPEAKER_08]: And especially when it comes to Donald Trump, because as we know from all kinds of stories involving Epstein, Donald has a long history of not being able to control his tiny.

[SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, long and short, um, do you like my faces that I make it you because it's like really Sean you're like really really well like this this is just a Johnson waving contest That's all this Venezuela thing is and especially now with Stephen Miller in his whole it's all about Greenland.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no, we have a damn right to take it over Oh, no, we don't and And the things that they want from Greenland hmm [SPEAKER_08]: I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got no, I've got [SPEAKER_08]: slurred speech and he is I think that was Cudlow that said that though years.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, I don't want to go on like a mill.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, that that particular one was was Cudlow, but I'm sorry Donald Trump has been slurring his speech a lot lately.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I mean, between him and Cudlow, it would be, you know, who sounds more drunk and we know Donald doesn't drink.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, drink.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, there's that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, look, there's a lot to point at and laugh at.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I, I think you know just the [SPEAKER_06]: who could come in and help us.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we think he is very good at pointing and laughing.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr.

Sean Barton, Sean Legs Barton.

[SPEAKER_08]: Legs Barton himself.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, Carol, we'll call him Legs for you.

[SPEAKER_08]: OK, thank you.

[SPEAKER_08]: Legs is coming in next.

[SPEAKER_08]: It is a Tuesday night.

[SPEAKER_08]: We got two guests.

[SPEAKER_08]: Legs and Doc Grammar.

[SPEAKER_08]: And of course, we have a drink of the day.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we will get several rounds from the news on tab.

[SPEAKER_08]: So fresh in your drink.

[SPEAKER_08]: Take your coat off.

[SPEAKER_08]: Dust it off if you're coming in from where it's snowy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Hangout, because you hangin' out with me and Jodie, and you just do, but four minutes here, Mr.

Legs Barton himself, hang on.

[SPEAKER_05]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: Tuesday night, here at the politics bar, you got your shot at Smith Pierce.

[SPEAKER_08]: You got your Jody Hamilton and of course tonight, you got your one and only shorter.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr.

Legs himself.

[SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.

[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you, proud.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, they've seen your legs.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: You're the one.

[SPEAKER_08]: You're the one wearing shorts into the bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it is nice.

[SPEAKER_08]: It is nicer in the southern California end of the bar than it is in the DC or Minneapolis areas of the bar, you know, a little bit cold place like a Chicago, a little bit chilly button.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm the 10 guy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: How long have you guys known each other?

[SPEAKER_04]: I have to ask Twenty-nine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, what year is this?

[SPEAKER_04]: Twenty-five.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's a 26.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think I want to say like 13, 14.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was 14, so you were 14.

[SPEAKER_08]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [SPEAKER_04]: oh okay and then it became from because we used to call where I record this show in that show the bunker right and so when when Sean left because he knows fire no you are a fire don't even go there let's let's be let's be honest he said that for years after he came back but once he left our friend Rick came in to host with me and then he called him the [SPEAKER_04]: And then he was on a lot for a long time we had we had Rick and Nick and David and then it was David and Sean.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was a whole Michigan people you know for those people who for those people who did not know that this his experience goes back a long way So obviously and of course you you you love being involved in some of the I want to you love it But you are kind of a news junky of sorts, so you keep up on on this stuff [SPEAKER_09]: I am a more of a pop culture, I think that what, you know, going back to joining in our shows, I think one of the things that people appreciate is that I'm not an expert in anything.

[SPEAKER_09]: I know, you know, a little about a lot.

[SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, my, you know, my approach has always been, you know, how does it affect me, you know, putting, you know, like, you know, pants on in the morning when they get a time.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that with so many other shows that it becomes a bit myopic.

[SPEAKER_09]: and regards.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you have these expert.

[SPEAKER_09]: Don't get me wrong.

[SPEAKER_09]: These guys are great.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I think that, you know, maybe someone that just goes, [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, case and point is that, you know, with the latest Venezuelan thing and I know that, okay, so Charlie and I, I'm usually like shoulder to shoulder with Charlie on a lot of Charlie appears with a, with a, with him shoulder to shoulder on a lot of things.

[SPEAKER_09]: I disagree in regards to the old companies.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, why about it?

[SPEAKER_09]: Because we were just talking about that because, because I mean, right now, I mean, the old giants haven't really publicly agreed on Trump's plan, but I truly believe that, you know, [SPEAKER_09]: So these energy companies, uh, understanding is that they once operated in Venezuela and basically booted out.

[SPEAKER_09]: So you got like X on mobile kind of code.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's happened.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's actually, Sean, it's actually happened three times in the last 50 years.

[SPEAKER_08]: We're, we're a private, private little company.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean they they they do like most other countries like we've written where you say hey come on in here's some oil We can decide just to found this and they go great and they spend millions or billions and they invest it all and And then as well as government says no [SPEAKER_08]: mine and they now realize it and they take it over and then the other you know like the United States is sent oh no you should open this up and they kind of do this has happened three times the last one was with Chavez who was was like 2010 so it's real recent memory on them.

[SPEAKER_08]: I know I've looked dude We can't trust the political situation there [SPEAKER_08]: And Trump is now like, well, but here's the deal.

[SPEAKER_08]: How about if I get these stupid Americans to pay for all of this stuff?

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: So that you guys are going back and then give us the oil directly so that we can sell it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: So oil companies are like, yeah, no, they're greedy.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're like, yeah, not really.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think that they aren't that they don't want to leave money on the table right and here's a thing that I don't I don't quite get is that what US crow group US crew fell with 20% plus last year as an investment I'm going like this is really a bad deal now to me the guy who's trying to put his pants on one leg at a time.

[SPEAKER_09]: It kind of harkens back to didn't trump say either on the campaign trail or shortly after his inauguration that he wants to bring you know two hours a gallon.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes You are correct.

[SPEAKER_09]: So is this is this is this part of his plan?

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean as so I mean that's that's kind of like you know what popped in my mind and When I say right you're right shot before Sean got here.

[SPEAKER_08]: What did I say then my barberset?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, I mean, what is it for?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I think he just went in because he's got a little Johnson.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's, it's, it's, it's a perquaving contest as all this is.

[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, in my, my barber, I love her.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's, she's intelligent, but a lot of things she makes me look good.

[SPEAKER_08]: I got no issues on that at all.

[SPEAKER_08]: but um she's like you she's like an average person she got a couple kids couple of dogs boyfriend house you got you know things she's trying to do and and I you know I laid it out for and she's like well it's not about drugs because they you know just forget the other guy yeah right right well the the other the other the other like six of them yeah yeah if you if you look at it that way Joe he's right it's been a bunch of other drug related guys that he's forgiven that he's pardon [SPEAKER_08]: And she's like, okay, well, it's not about regime change because they left everybody there except Maduro.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it's still the same regime.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it's not about regime change.

[SPEAKER_08]: This is in the oil companies.

[SPEAKER_08]: They don't want it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Because they're like, look, the only way we can actually really make money is if oil was it like $85 a barrel.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it's like below 60.

[SPEAKER_08]: So no, so she just looks at me and she just says sister perquivon contest.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, pretty much, I mean, and kind of along those lines, I think that the companies that kind of win on this are more of the refiners, such as Valero, Marathon, Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go City Go [SPEAKER_08]: It's the bigger thing is the nearest place to refine the oil that would come out of Venezuela without actually It's in Venezuela Right, and they have the refineries.

[SPEAKER_08]: There's what I win in the car You just get things and I'm glad you win the dingbell and we'll give you an extra round of applause because you know you're so much part [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, look, you've got a day job, you've got other things you do too.

[SPEAKER_08]: You keep up with the news, but you're not obsessive about it, right?

[SPEAKER_09]: No.

[SPEAKER_09]: Now, I mean, I basically stop listening soon after this latest inauguration, as I just [SPEAKER_09]: I just got tired of being angry and much like what I feel that a lot of the Democrats are doing, which is a clutching that pearls and sitting on their hands, I couldn't do that.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, I went through some protests.

[SPEAKER_09]: I did what I could.

[SPEAKER_09]: I volunteered.

[SPEAKER_09]: I donated.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that's right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I do read it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, that's that's one journey.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't like that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Joey's, Joey's work is great today.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's in the news on tap.

[SPEAKER_08]: We do that every day, because we put out the news for everybody.

[SPEAKER_08]: Joey and I gathered a bunch of news stories and stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: And because I had to go get my hair cut and took an hour off this morning, it was not as much for me, you know, more for me, I think today in the news on tap, but look, that's just it.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's difficult.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's difficult.

[SPEAKER_08]: How difficult is it for you to keep up on the news?

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: Is it difficult not not listening to cable all day not listening to to, you know, well I said the way from a lot of podcasts I read three sources.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think only one of them actually is affiliated with anything within US because I travel so much both within the US and obviously outside last year I spent.

[SPEAKER_09]: with almost a month and was a Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, and Hungary, so kind of getting their viewpoint on a lot of things and how they're affected, we've been the terrace, so it's [SPEAKER_09]: And that's just outside of the US, within the US, it seemed to be a lot of, you know, left coast-right coast, their opinions seemed to kind of outweigh what's in the middle.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I think that a lot of people in the middle are just looking at it as, how does this affect me and put it on the table?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Unfortunately, a lot of that is also being dictated by Fox News.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right, we probably do it like Fox, right.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I don't know how many people actually understand this and, you know, I share this with a lot of people.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I'll say I go to a lot of hotels, airports and such.

[SPEAKER_09]: Fox News is pretty much the only thing that they have and they wonder well, they must be very dictated.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, Fox News is in that first year.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: So if you remember back in the day, so it used to be, you know, you get like four channels.

[SPEAKER_09]: So that's pretty much what it is in a lot of the hotels.

[SPEAKER_09]: Otherwise, they're going to channel like, you know, 1-15-236 or whatever it is.

[SPEAKER_09]: But it's usually in, you know, the top tier.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, that first what eight channels, [SPEAKER_09]: two of them are at least affiliated to pop news.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so anyway, so a lot of stuff is being dictated whether they wanted to or not.

[SPEAKER_09]: Now going back to me, I do the Guardian.

[SPEAKER_09]: I do a lot of the BBC news and granted, it is, it is shaped and formed in its own way.

[SPEAKER_09]: And well story, I [SPEAKER_09]: read and listen to it anyway.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, Reuters, AP, Reuters, Reuters, yeah, I do them.

[SPEAKER_09]: So, I mean, I know so I'm doing a lot of filtering, but I find that the reading will actually, this is going to sound very kind of a subject, will actually kind of call me down, rather than being given sound bites and or snippets.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm, you know, again, I'm a big fan of NPR.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: You know, I'm also stationed here in SoCal is a KCRW to plug them.

[SPEAKER_09]: Nice information.

[SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, I listen to them a lot, particularly in the morning.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's pretty much the only thing I kind of listen to.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I try to, I try to stay away from, you know, the, you know, the, [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, wrong.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, wrong.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, wrong on that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: But no, I'm not, I'm not the, uh, was it the ignorant guy that, you know, no, but it's, but it's important.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a lot of people realize that it is not that difficult to stay up and stay informed.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: One of the keys that we have with the news on tap that we tell people is you can literally in two minutes, you get the email from us, you scroll through it, you just look ahead lines.

[SPEAKER_08]: You don't even have to click and read, you can't if you want to.

[SPEAKER_08]: We recommend you do, but you don't have to read everything.

[SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes all you gotta do is read the headlines because we put it in a format that makes it easy for people.

[SPEAKER_08]: They could go to it for example, you know, we've got the first segment today.

[SPEAKER_08]: The first round as we call it, the insurrection continues about the, you know, January 6th insurrection, which it is January 6th today.

[SPEAKER_08]: The next one is Trump's new war.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, that's fine.

[SPEAKER_08]: The next one is Trump's other wars, war over good government, war over healthcare.

[SPEAKER_08]: And you just scroll through and you read the headlines of people go, okay, now I know what the hell is going on.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right, you don't have to sit there and listen to Stephen Miller scream like an idiot at Jake Tapper Because really needs to hear that Yeah, exactly He is Oh, man, he is such a So Yeah, I just Something that came across my screen which was so Trump is actually threatening again [SPEAKER_09]: Greenland.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: On the case, do we?

[SPEAKER_09]: We did the Venezuelan.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're going to do to you.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Which, which on P.

We go was appearance on, um, did, did you, did you see that the clip of that journey and him on Tapper?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean he was like gosh darn it we did I mean he said the gd words and he's like yeah we went in he got so angry he was so angry a j-tapper and j-tapper sorry tap a tap a tap a part of the problem here buddy that we have these MFers back in power [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, no, no question that Taper has has all kinds of responsibility of things.

[SPEAKER_04]: I used to have as email address, I kind of want to see if it works.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think I still do, but I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mr.

Tapper.

[SPEAKER_08]: I have no desire to just because I'm like, you know, he can come to the bar if he wants, but I know where he's not going to do he's not going to say anything But you know, I'd be like it'd be like inviting Tony Dokepill, but Sorry, but but look at the bigger thing that I thought was was this govals is is doing the whole thing and and of course by this I mean Steven Miller is doing the whole thing of oh yeah, well, we could go in and we could and it's like dude [SPEAKER_08]: Do you forget that Greenland is also a charter member of NATO?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, in Venezuela is a part of the ICC.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: Our federal dollar mentioned that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Donald could be tried at the HIG.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I suggest Jack Smith does it.

[SPEAKER_02]: That would love for that.

[SPEAKER_08]: But that's just news that you've got these idiots like that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Miller is out there doing this.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's going on CNN, trying to provoke Tapper, trying to piss him off.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Tapper didn't have any of it, which is hilarious.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, right, but the the whole reason that Miller was trying to do it, was so that they can take that footage and put it at Fox.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yep, quarter, quote, newsmax and all their other propaganda outlets that they have on the right.

[SPEAKER_08]: So they could say, see, I went and I smacked around the big mainstream media guy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Ha, ha, ha, look at how tough I am.

[SPEAKER_08]: He was saying something about how, you know, it's all about being tough and beating people up, and I'm like dude, I got wet noodles in a bag that could beat the crap out of you.

[SPEAKER_02]: You should have made that go.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I, yeah, no, no, no, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, add mention to everybody here in the bar that they should just, you know, read this stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: As opposed to, you know, watching 10 hours of cable news a day.

[SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, I get that, you know, people don't necessarily have the time, but it's really kind of like, if you want to be involved, if you want to be informed, you got to make the time you got to take the time and if you're, you know, you're looking for clowns like Miller that is just looking for a sound bite, I mean, that tells you everything you need enough.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and there's there are places where you can get truncated versions of the New York Times and other things.

[SPEAKER_08]: So you can get it and then we put and we put some of that stuff in the news on top.

[SPEAKER_08]: The free stuff we try to get as much stuff outside of the paywalls as possible.

[SPEAKER_08]: So you guys can read it and look and then form yourself.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's why it's an interesting.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's probably a really funny curse.

[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: See that's that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Ta-da.

[SPEAKER_08]: See, he went that from the link in the news on Tacky Pay.

[SPEAKER_08]: I did it as well.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr.

Martin, can we hang you around for one more round here?

[SPEAKER_09]: Sure, I don't have to be anywhere till Sunday, I'm good.

[SPEAKER_08]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [SPEAKER_08]: Tuesday night here at the politics bar.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You know what we're at?

[SPEAKER_08]: We're at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: And in fact, we are at the politics bar this evening with the one and only Sean Legs Barton.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we were discussing more on this Venezuela thing because, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's absolutely insane.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'd read it elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_08]: You'd heard it elsewhere.

[SPEAKER_08]: Jody, did you read some of this, too, that they're kind of hiring and firing some of these companies?

[SPEAKER_08]: But, [SPEAKER_04]: No, I just heard it off of air and I thought, well, is Elon Musk and Doge in control of this?

[SPEAKER_08]: One of the one of the big companies.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to remember what the hell their name is.

[SPEAKER_08]: You were just mentioning it, Sean.

[SPEAKER_09]: Uh, by the further SLB.

[SPEAKER_08]: uh...

i think it's not the use yet they could use that's it i heard this already that they they fired like eighty five thousand recently and now they're a guest supposedly putting out uh...

bids for higher but the key that i had the person appointed at me said is they're not putting any start they don't need this [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's just it because when we went when the US went into Iraq and did the the last time we had one of these neocon wars and really blue things out of proportion screwed up the whole freaking world over there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, because it's safety concerns, I mean, Venezuela right now, there are people that are friends of friends of mine who have people down south and they're like, oh, they are just, they went to grocery stores and all these other things to make sure that they're okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because there's violence happening in the streets right now.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: There aren't people in Maduro's [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know, political corner of the universe are patrolling the streets with guns.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, they are, they are removing journalists, removing, I mean, so, and there are people who are just getting out, they're like, oh, I'm going over my cousins and Columbia, I just started with the board of the thank you very much, and so I mean, I get this, it's unstable.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's one of the reasons the oil corporations do not want to go in there.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not safe right now.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, it would be like, oh, I don't know, being on the capital steps on January 65 years [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: So what I don't understand is that, you know, they only remove Modura.

[SPEAKER_09]: Why didn't they just grab the, you know, you know, all, you know, the top 10 because because if we thought that just Modura was the only guy, are you kidding me?

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's not that.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's about, it's not a human chain.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's blessed.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's not.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so they put Rubio in church when I saw that, I thought it was an onion.

[SPEAKER_09]: I lied.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, are you kidding me?

[SPEAKER_09]: It's a little more dope.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, he's like globs sweating his way there.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I don't get it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Why would you put that clown and put him over there?

[SPEAKER_08]: No, that's the whole reason that Rubio wanted in on all of this to begin with is because he wants to leverage the attack and take over in Venezuela so that we could do regime change in Cuba.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I know you're shaking your head and you're you're thankfully holding your tongue because we are on broadcast radio, but, you know, the fact is yes, the fact of the matter is yes, that's that's rubios thing on this, by the way, if you want to know Miller's angle, do you understand Miller's angle, do you understand Miller's angle on this journey, why Miller wants this I think he wants to basically.

[SPEAKER_04]: say that we now have the aliens enemy act so that every brown human, anybody that has a tan shon, at least legs, anybody has a tan or has brownish skin or like I do has a Mexican flag on the back of their car can now be sent back.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yep, Jodie's right.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's why Miller wants it to be an official war because if it's an official war, and if you notice, when Miller was talking to you to have her last night, Miller kept saying, military action, military action, but yet the official position of the Trump regime.

[SPEAKER_04]: Legal action, it's law enforcement, which is why Durbin and even Chuck Grassley were like, well, the wedding y'all come to the judiciary committee.

[SPEAKER_08]: because if it's legal stuff and it's police action then it should be under the judiciary committee and lastly, who you know who's high school friend with usala [SPEAKER_08]: But they're like, look man, come to our committee and yeah, so they then keep being across purposes on all of this, they don't know what the hell the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

[SPEAKER_08]: And even when Rubio was Heming and Haeng like that kid that can't speak that Bob has the thing of.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey, honey [SPEAKER_04]: He said we couldn't tell the committees because, you know, we were about to go in its dangerous, but Donald told oil companies and Putin got out his people in the embassy in December.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: So obviously, somebody's known that, I mean, because they've released, oh, we've been doing the planning documents on this since fall.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's been known.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the fact of the matter is Congress should have been notified.

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, when Congress was asking it, because he was, I mean, it was in the public that this was about to happen, because we were talking about it for months.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the fact of the matter is, when they would ask the admin about it, they were like, no, it's not regime change, no, we're not going to bomb anybody, no, we're not gonna do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But hey, [SPEAKER_08]: they did all those things yeah it's it is it's absolutely any the briefing we've got the story that didn't the news on tap for those of you in the bar here who who missed it it is in the second round under trump's new war the briefing pretty much was pointless uh...

i mean you know you you you can read up the story about it there but the long short is that kind of got briefed in with uh...

okay that's great but what's the plan and the trump regime is still [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, legs.

[SPEAKER_08]: We've got we've got a guy coming in here coming into the bar here and just a little bit here.

[SPEAKER_08]: Dr.

Jeffrey Grammer Dr.

Grammer actually has a pretty solid CV.

[SPEAKER_08]: Among other things decorated Colonel U.S.

Army, Wardwin and Dr.

[SPEAKER_08]: Spent a whole lot of time.

[SPEAKER_08]: We've ate plus years as a chief of inpatient psychiatric services and Walter Reed.

[SPEAKER_08]: So we're talking, yeah, we're going to be talking with him about Donald's cousin, quote, unquote, cousin, Donald Trump, and how somebody with such a bad history of eating pigbacks and play official all the time and drinking daddy coax all the time and you know, staying up at all hours and falling asleep in cabinet meetings and I mean, I mean, I mean, falling asleep standing up.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that was that, too.

[SPEAKER_08]: It is having mental issues and how that could affect one's psychology and that kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're covering it up from Mr.

Trump.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're not covering a very well.

[SPEAKER_08]: It keeps showing that on those hands.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's like, dude, that's not covering.

[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe he just needs more sleep.

[SPEAKER_09]: Maybe that's what he needs.

[SPEAKER_09]: Just some good solid sleep.

[SPEAKER_04]: But with the aspirin that he's taking on a daily basis.

[SPEAKER_09]: Hearing, is he taking peering?

[SPEAKER_04]: I was taking three hundred and was it forty five milligrams three hundred twenty five milligrams is just basically one whole not a full dose but a half a dose of adult strength aspirin daily which when he got shot in the ear Should you play more yeah [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just saying no.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think I think you're right.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think Jody's right.

[SPEAKER_04]: He likes his blood thin, not the rest of him, but his blood very thin.

[SPEAKER_08]: All right, not buzzing for that one, Jody, because you are correct on that.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's large.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sean Barton knows I'm always right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, that's.

[SPEAKER_09]: I find my life is easier that way.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So his lawns.

[SPEAKER_08]: In general, I have that same general rule at my house with my wife, that's just kind of how that works.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's another female friends.

[SPEAKER_08]: Generally, you know, women in general are often smarter than us men, just saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've known trauma for 40.

[SPEAKER_04]: Seth almost 47 years.

[SPEAKER_09]: What is true for New York?

[SPEAKER_09]: And he's never been wrong.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was 1981.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was wrong just now.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was 1981.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's almost 45 years.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh wow, I know, it's been a minute.

[SPEAKER_08]: So a couple of years here there.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'll be doing that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Jody is, Jody is obviously, I mean, not changed hardly at all.

[SPEAKER_08]: She looks almost identical to how she is.

[SPEAKER_09]: Almost identical.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, except my jaw is now unbuyered because he meant me when my jaw was wired shut.

[SPEAKER_09]: Those are such good times.

[SPEAKER_09]: Those are good times.

[SPEAKER_09]: Those are good times.

[SPEAKER_09]: Um.

[SPEAKER_08]: That was pretty well, so that was the thing.

[SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[UNKNOWN]: Man.

[SPEAKER_08]: But things look, things have changed a little bit.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, there are things that have changed over time.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm hoping that things get a little bit better, obviously, in the coming year.

[SPEAKER_08]: Since this is new year.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Although, like today, per me example, it is January 6th.

[SPEAKER_08]: And on Capitol Hill, you had the two different worlds.

[SPEAKER_08]: You had the Democrats who brought back the January 6th committee.

[SPEAKER_08]: Everybody but Liz Cheney.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think she was right to not go because she's under a lot of...

Adam Kensinger, Adam Kensinger, was there?

[SPEAKER_04]: Is fine?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but she's more of a...

[SPEAKER_04]: Magnet and he is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think he was at risk.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think maybe showing up.

[SPEAKER_08]: But so she showed up.

[SPEAKER_08]: So the Democrats were talking about this there.

[SPEAKER_08]: Obviously, Republicans are, you know, no shows.

[SPEAKER_04]: Match.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, no, they're, they're outside.

[SPEAKER_08]: The proud boys had a little march through DC at this end of the bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, today, to commemorate the last time that they took over the place, [SPEAKER_08]: and didn't insurrection and literally attacked the U.S.

Cap.

[SPEAKER_04]: And didn't match Frito show up for that saying they're patriots?

[SPEAKER_08]: Um, she I don't think she was there but that she did call them patriots at the time.

[SPEAKER_04]: She She called them patriots in the last day this morning.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's that's not surprising.

[SPEAKER_08]: She she has she has been in all kinds of places all over that She doesn't know what she talked about my biggest thing is I don't think we should talk about her very much anymore because she's not there Thank you she wants she wants to leave she wants to get out the stage [SPEAKER_08]: Fine.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't want the door to hit you with a good load split here.

[SPEAKER_08]: Bye.

[SPEAKER_04]: Go with that CrossFit guy again, or guys.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: Hey, if she wants to work out with more than one guy, I am not going to say anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's good at that, apparently.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, working out, I mean, come on.

[SPEAKER_08]: I must both of them.

[SPEAKER_09]: You must be on him.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's all I.

[SPEAKER_08]: The fact of the matter is actually you're probably right.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, she is, you know, Marjorie Taylor Grace.

[SPEAKER_08]: She hasn't been on hinge, but I don't think we were talking about that particular definition of that word.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, the hinge is a dating website.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, so you're saying she's using other websites.

[SPEAKER_08]: See, there's a whole other words, words, meanings.

[SPEAKER_08]: They change time to time.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: The kids, the kids, the kids these days, they have all kinds of different slang that they use.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: They do.

[SPEAKER_08]: So speaking of which, by the way, if you guys saw the, and then I suppose we can call them a kid because I think he's younger than all of this Tony Doke-Pill.

[SPEAKER_08]: First, first edition of the new CBS news.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I'll call them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Heck issues.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, who produces the show?

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I don't understand why they got him of all people because he's the guy who's like a million people.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he's that.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he's locked up with the CBS and Peck was a CBS Paramount and whatever the Trump administration.

[SPEAKER_08]: He would do whatever to get his, he's thinking this, I'm sure this is his thoughts.

[SPEAKER_08]: Is that it would help his career?

[SPEAKER_08]: It's not going to help this career because everybody's pointing and laughing and a lot of mega people are saying yeah Maga people are not going to watch CBS news and the people who care about news are not going to watch CBS anymore No, I mean and the fact that they had production issues says to me that Barry Weiss doesn't know how to produce anything Yep She doesn't produce propaganda though.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's she's Barry Weiss is good at producing propaganda lies Fabrications but news That's not her thing [SPEAKER_08]: Oh goodness, Sean literally, the time is like zipped by, man.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is it he who I told you, Sean?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even know who he was saying he was a blast.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think you guys have me on, I really do.

[SPEAKER_08]: We sure, we will have you back to the bar sometime.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I'll bug you again because, yeah, I'll call.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, see you on Saturday.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, and then you guys can do a different thing outside of the bar and then you can bring them back into the other time There you go, yes, it all works out Mr.

Barton.

[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you very much for hanging out with us and spending some of your tools That evening hanging out in the block guys We love Sean Bard you can click and get his social media stuff in the on the guest section of the news on tap by the way We do have jacked your Jeffrey grammar coming in.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Perhaps.

[SPEAKER_08]: What is the drink of the day today?

[SPEAKER_04]: The drink of the day today is a 12th night cocktail, which is inspired by the holiday a pythony.

[SPEAKER_08]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_08]: See, I actually have a friend who used to do couple of friends.

[SPEAKER_08]: They used to hold a 12th night party.

[SPEAKER_08]: This is how I knew because I stuck this down on the bottom of the drink of the day.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's very [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, well, you know, they, they are, this is a friend of mine I used to do theater with in high school and her husband is dancing, but he actually, he plays the harp.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, he has, he has two different harps.

[SPEAKER_08]: Little.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's a beautiful instrument.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's, it's pretty amazing.

[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, although, you know, you don't want to harp on him.

[SPEAKER_08]: You just went there didn't you I did I did but yeah, so they have these 12th night parties, which is always on January 6th And which is also my dad's birthday.

[SPEAKER_08]: No way He would have been 97 today happy birthday, never been youngster youngster your mom would have been like get moment Come on [SPEAKER_08]: that places to go.

[SPEAKER_08]: Come on.

[SPEAKER_08]: But so we would do these these parties and they were really elaborate and they stopped them during the pandemic and they picked it up.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, but you know, 12th night slash epiphany, there's a whole bunch of stuff you put in the history of that for today.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was, I mean, it's basically a lot of people take down their Christmas decorations because technically it's a 12th night of Christmas today.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right, although that you have to you did put in it's kind of a weird counting because it's depends on where and I Right, but it is kind of a 12 right because it's 12 days of Christmas and and of course like a lot of Christian things They stole and robbed from other people and shocker [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, convenient.

[SPEAKER_08]: That works for me.

[SPEAKER_08]: We'll just put that in the my religion.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's it's a very it's an interesting history of the epiphany holiday.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it's also known as three kings day.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: I did put a picture up because I noticed you didn't have one of the the chalking the door thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I didn't.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, thank you for doing that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's so the way the people do that, if they're tracking the door, they do the first two digits of the year, then they do a plus and then a C and a plus and an M and a plus and a B and then the plus and the last two digits.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: But the C and B has two different things.

[SPEAKER_08]: According to the Christian religion, because not a basic Christian, whatever.

[SPEAKER_08]: Or it's the Latin phrase, Christians, men shem on that of that, which is May, Christ bless this house.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a whole, like, super Christians do that.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm super, and sometimes super weird.

[SPEAKER_08]: And also, seriously, it's a pain in the ass to wipe off the chalk above your door.

[SPEAKER_08]: So why would you?

[SPEAKER_04]: Unless you have a chalk board above your door in this.

[SPEAKER_08]: There are some like old churches that actually, if you look and it seems like there's a piece of black slate above it, that's what it's for.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Which?

[SPEAKER_04]: For green, green slate does it too.

[SPEAKER_04]: We had green.

[SPEAKER_08]: True.

[SPEAKER_08]: True.

[SPEAKER_08]: So the drink of the day today is the 12th night cocktail.

[SPEAKER_08]: What is in a 12th night cocktail?

[SPEAKER_04]: All right, you're going to need a shaker, a pre-chilled Collins glass.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: First off, I keep writing that, but it's always pre-chilled people.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just going to just asterisk it from now on just always pre-chilled.

[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_04]: Ice, a half ounce of kettle one peach and orange blossom vodka, which sounds really yummy.

[SPEAKER_04]: One and a half ounces of that?

[SPEAKER_04]: One and a half ounces.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, cool.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's serious booze, people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's more booze coming.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, three ounces of cranberry juice and three ounces of dry sparkling wine, so booze on top of booze.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you garnish with some rosemary, sprig actually sounds really yummy.

[SPEAKER_04]: How do you put these together?

[SPEAKER_04]: You combine the vodka with ice in the shaker.

[SPEAKER_04]: You stir it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't shake it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You stir it to chill.

[SPEAKER_04]: You strain it into the Collins glass and you top off with the sparkling wine.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you add the ice, add some more ice, and garnish with the rosemary sprig.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a little bit more of this drinks where it needs to be really, really cold.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: And also it kind of reminds me a little bit of a French 75.

[SPEAKER_04]: OK.

Because it's added sparkling wine.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it sounds.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yummy?

[SPEAKER_04]: But definitely don't have more than one if you're driving.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, no, look, look, get somebody else to drive.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, please.

[SPEAKER_04]: Please, always see that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Game the wisdom from other people being rested for stupid things.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, be smart about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it does sound refreshing and it's a pretty drink and I would have loved that if there those 12 night parties.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you could have an epiphany after drinking one, who knows?

[SPEAKER_08]: or several.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Look who I see coming in.

[SPEAKER_06]: I know.

[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, Dr.

Jeffrey Grammar is coming into the bar here.

[SPEAKER_08]: He is as we mentioned.

[SPEAKER_08]: A, uh, an award winning doctor and, uh, decorated Colonel with the United States Army, Mr.

Jeffrey Grammar, which is a doctor grammar.

[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome.

[SPEAKER_04]: How you doing?

[SPEAKER_04]: I see you.

[SPEAKER_08]: to meet you both.

[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you so much for having me on.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, no problem.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, we just finished up with the drink of the day and look, because you know, a little bit alcohol is not bad.

[SPEAKER_08]: I know some doctors, I don't know your particular position on it, but I know some doctors are like, look, you know, one drink of days okay, but you know, more than that can be a problem.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, what's what's your take on it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, men are different women.

[SPEAKER_07]: There are, I would say moderation and everything is the order of the day.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think, fortunately, some newer literature would suggest that alcohol use has problems, but, you know, life in itself is a bit of a fatal condition.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we all are right.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'll just rest in bed if it's accordingly.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you [SPEAKER_08]: So we've been talking obviously today is January 6th and for some people it's a little bit harder day than others obviously because of 5 years ago when the Trump folks attacks the Congress.

[SPEAKER_08]: Which is crazy and obviously we want to talk to you about [SPEAKER_08]: We know that as a doctor, you know, one of the things that prevents doctors, you can't always talk about things.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's the go water rule.

[SPEAKER_08]: Go water rule.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: But we're thinking of this mythical guy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Donald's cousin, Donald Trump.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's, and we're thinking that what if Mr.

Trump had some of the same problems as his cousin?

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, we're kind of diverging a little bit here because we got you in the bar a little bit early.

[SPEAKER_08]: We're late, whatever, but here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: For the insurrectionists, they have their own mental problems.

[SPEAKER_08]: Some of them have, [SPEAKER_08]: They still are in denial.

[SPEAKER_08]: They still believe the guy who is the January 6th bomber says that he did it because he believed the lies that Donald Trump told about the 2020 election as somebody who deals in psychology and psychiatry and mental health and and.

[SPEAKER_08]: What the hell man, five, are these people like clinically nuts or are they, I mean, we don't need to nuts, Sean.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, off their rocker.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also not that.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_08]: What is, it's hard for, it's hard for those of us who actually pay attention to reality to kind of get together with some of these people and some of these ideas.

[SPEAKER_08]: Is it because they have something like permanently wrong with them?

[SPEAKER_08]: Or is there can they be fixed, I guess, as a question?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good question.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it depends, you know, and I think, um, sorry, let me, I just realize I got to put that on, do not disturb, so no longer disturb us.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, look, some other people in the bar here, they got that.

[SPEAKER_08]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_08]: They got coffin people are, you know, talking the background or whatever.

[SPEAKER_07]: So here's the thing, you know, it, I think it's a heterogeneous population.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's different people with different motivations.

[SPEAKER_07]: But this is important because one of the things we have to recognize, [SPEAKER_07]: is that there are bad people in the world, right, and let's think about how decisions are made.

[SPEAKER_07]: Some people make decisions because they incorporate different variables.

[SPEAKER_07]: They kind of cement those variables into a conclusion.

[SPEAKER_07]: Those are flexible because as you present new variables to factor into that equation, their decision and conclusion may change.

[SPEAKER_08]: Normal, so normal people, you give them information, the information changes, they change the decision they make.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, we also make moral decisions, killing is wrong.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_07]: Irving children is wrong.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, that kind of thinking is stored differently in our brain.

[SPEAKER_07]: That is part of our super ego, our sense of right and wrong.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: That tends to be fairly fixed early in adolescence.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's why more like even when you're getting a device with your teenagers as they die They're hair differently or maybe pierce something you don't want pierce [SPEAKER_07]: if you get down to the heart of it, they tend to have the same morality that you hope they have.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, like bad things, hurting people, that is something we should avoid as a parent, or as an adult in their lives, you've hopefully helped install in them a little bit better sense of morality, sense of decency, sense of, right.

[SPEAKER_07]: And that will change.

[SPEAKER_07]: They may change their style, they may change some of their beliefs, but the morality stays the same.

[SPEAKER_07]: That tends to be fixed.

[SPEAKER_07]: And unfortunately, there are people in the world who think that not all people are created equal.

[SPEAKER_07]: not all people have a right to happiness.

[SPEAKER_07]: We shouldn't be kind to one another.

[SPEAKER_07]: We shouldn't help people who are less fortunate.

[SPEAKER_07]: And Donald Trump has managed to captivate and embolden that base unlike anyone else ever has, but other autocrats do the same.

[SPEAKER_07]: And a lot of times people with those same belief systems have a fair amount of anger.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's my question is how do people come to the claim their Christian, by the way, that come to that same conclusion, that we can't help people.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, I don't, my brain goes, when that's, especially those that claim their Christians, that gets on my nerves so much.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, hypocrisy, right, but some people gravitate to Christianity to try to understand their own existential angst of self-awareness.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right, like they do with any religion.

[SPEAKER_08]: People are looking to, you know, to religion to try to figure out beyond themselves.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: Why do I exist?

[SPEAKER_08]: Why do we want this?

[SPEAKER_07]: What's this all about?

[SPEAKER_07]: And I think for a lot of people that's it.

[SPEAKER_07]: But unfortunately, some people will gravitate towards religion [SPEAKER_07]: you know, essentially, uh, ill intent.

[SPEAKER_07]: Power.

[SPEAKER_07]: Power.

[SPEAKER_07]: And control.

[SPEAKER_08]: We are just getting to the surface.

[SPEAKER_08]: I feel so much better now.

[SPEAKER_08]: You're not, you're not crazy, Jody.

[SPEAKER_08]: They may be mentally unstable, but you are not crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're thinking that they have issues.

[SPEAKER_08]: Dr.

Grammar, we got a piece of bill here.

[SPEAKER_08]: We've got another segment.

[SPEAKER_08]: We definitely want to ask you a whole bunch more questions on this time of thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: So we can keep it, yes?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm here.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yay!

[SPEAKER_08]: Woo-hoo!

[SPEAKER_08]: Dr.

Jeffrey Grammar, here to answer some mental health questions and help us understand hopefully a little bit more of the magnetality.

[SPEAKER_08]: So why?

[SPEAKER_04]: So we're getting a free health care mental health care right now, so I'm here.

[SPEAKER_08]: I would do that.

[SPEAKER_08]: We'll talk about that too, I hope.

[SPEAKER_08]: I have some questions.

[SPEAKER_08]: We can hear that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Fresh in your drink, do what you gotta do and we'll come on back right here on a Tuesday night at the politics bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, Scano, you know him, Joe.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's over here in this Blue Sky corner where he is always jumping up and saying something here in the break.

[SPEAKER_08]: He said, hey, is it just me or does Donna look like he has [SPEAKER_08]: Stand up.

[SPEAKER_08]: Can you break, man?

[SPEAKER_08]: Be nice.

[SPEAKER_08]: Damn.

[SPEAKER_08]: Do not be throwing questions like that at Dr.

Grammar.

[SPEAKER_08]: Who is joining us in the bar by the way, Dr.

Jeffrey Grammar?

[SPEAKER_08]: You have a fantastic CV, man.

[SPEAKER_08]: You worked over Walter Reed for a while?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was in the Army for 25 years, spent most that career at Walter Reed.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you, sir.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you, although being, being that I was in the Navy, it's one of those where Army Navy game, whether I'm just saying, saying, Hey, my dad was in the Navy guy too, so.

[SPEAKER_04]: But my cousin's Army, she was the best shot in her class.

[SPEAKER_08]: My uncle was our wife, so I got nothing wrong with that.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, all good.

[SPEAKER_08]: We were talking off here in the break here a little bit about.

[SPEAKER_08]: you're saying some of these people who have a bad super ego, they have a bad sense of decency, bad sense of morality.

[SPEAKER_08]: And you're saying it's okay for those of us who say screw them, I don't want to be, I don't want to deal with them because some of those people can't be saved, and you're like it's okay to write them off.

[SPEAKER_07]: to some, yeah, so I was watching a video of two gentlemen that were interviewing a racist.

[SPEAKER_07]: And they were sort of beside themselves.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I was thinking at the time, like there's no discussion to be had with that.

[SPEAKER_07]: If the person believes that they are somehow superior because of the color of their skin, you're not going to change them of that opinion.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's a morality-based decision.

[SPEAKER_07]: So when we're having these arguments with people, you know, if we can't agree on fundamental morality, just really not a discussion to be had.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then we as a society need to think how do we protect ourselves from people who mean ill towards others, particularly those that are not like themselves.

[SPEAKER_07]: All right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we have, we have to accept they're going to be there.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, we're not going to, you know, let's find all the races round them up and put my trains.

[SPEAKER_08]: We're not going to do that because that's bad morality.

[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: So he's right.

[SPEAKER_08]: It is bad morality.

[SPEAKER_08]: But, um, but at the same time, we also don't have to let them be in power.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we can set up our governing structures, whether in politics, or in business, or whatever.

[SPEAKER_08]: And be like, yeah, people who have these conditions, [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I [SPEAKER_08]: Now, to make sure you're not diagnosing him, we're talking about his cousin, Mr.

Trump.

[SPEAKER_08]: So who has a similar path?

[SPEAKER_08]: He's running a big thing, and he's got lots of responsibility, but he happens to be an A-hole.

[SPEAKER_08]: Let's just put it that way.

[SPEAKER_08]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_08]: And he's a cheater and a liar and a scum and dirt bag.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I could go on and on about the things that I don't like about the man.

[SPEAKER_08]: multiple spouses cheating on them, taxes, cheating in business, this would not be somebody who you would normally say would be a good leader, I'm guessing.

[SPEAKER_08]: Dr.

Graham.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, and I think the founding fathers of our government understood the risks of people like that, which is why they built in checks and balances.

[SPEAKER_06]: If they- If they- If they're exactly right.

[SPEAKER_07]: So what went wrong?

[SPEAKER_07]: Part of I think went wrong is people of hijacked social media and algorithms to propagate propaganda and misinformation.

[SPEAKER_07]: right to alter the minds of people and to see them and now we live in this we started this whole thing by talking about sort of a post-truth America okay and on you know January 6th we can't even agree on the facts that occurred we saw that we saw the violence we know people are there I'm outside of DC I know dang well what happened yeah right yeah we all did I mean we were we were covering it it was a worldwide thing it wasn't just this country everybody saw it and it's and it's factual and yet you still have you still have things like the January 6 [SPEAKER_08]: they made a law to honor law enforcement and have the plaque up and Republicans and Congress are still no no I'm not going to do it you can't make me do it I'm not going to put the plaque are they mesmerized or they hypnotized or they in the cult I mean what is it is it also something that they just they like pissing off Democrats and independence so much that they're like I'm not going to do this just because it makes you mad.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's today's an interesting day.

[SPEAKER_07]: I was actually at a Congress person's home this morning talking about stuff and they are a Democrat.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I'd mention that they presented multiple bills to try to reign in the autocratic tendencies of the Trump administration and they're trying to get people across the aisle to join them.

[SPEAKER_07]: And they'll like stare at their feet and kick around and say, [SPEAKER_07]: I just can't do that.

[SPEAKER_07]: And this is part of the problem, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: So we used to have service as an elected official being sort of a donation of your time in life to the country that you love.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, public service, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: And unfortunately, it's turned into a career for a lot of people.

[SPEAKER_07]: and their self preservation of that career is overriding their dedication to their constituents.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we've got to find when we eventually take the country back and restore ourselves to a democracy, we've got to fix a lot of things.

[SPEAKER_07]: We've got a fixed capability to spread this information.

[SPEAKER_07]: We've got to fix this idea that you're in office for your own benefit and not for the benefit of the people you're supposed to represent, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: There's a lot of things we've got to repair, but we've seen over time that because we haven't necessarily kept up with, you know, reforming our government as technology is aged.

[SPEAKER_07]: Um, people have learned to essentially take advantage of that.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's the way that you're saying about the people who don't exactly have high morals to cheat the system.

[SPEAKER_08]: Would it be something that, um, if it could get passed?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they, they, they went over McCain find gold for campaign.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right, but here's my thought is if every utterance, [SPEAKER_08]: of an elected member of Congress.

[SPEAKER_08]: The entire time they're in office.

[SPEAKER_08]: Basically, you swear in on whatever you want to swear in on.

[SPEAKER_08]: And you are under oath the whole time.

[SPEAKER_08]: And any time you spout lies, you can immediately have your ass dragged out there and get nagged out before it, which, maybe even get tossed out for it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Which is being, maybe, speech and debate.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, there is the speech and debate clause.

[SPEAKER_08]: But there would be a lot of times when they wouldn't be doing this speech in a big country.

[SPEAKER_08]: When they're out there, they're steps in, or they're talking to whatever propaganda outlet that they like.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sean Hannity?

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: And if they're talking to these outlets like that, and they still are under oath, that would force some of them to have a real mental conundrum, mental fight, because if you tell the truth, [SPEAKER_08]: The people will hate you and know what you're out of office.

[SPEAKER_08]: But if you tell a lie, your ass is gonna get taken to the floor and you'll get thrown out of office.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, which of these do you, which if you're a good liar, nobody knows it, you're lying.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think we also just need to get better at holding people accountable with the truth.

[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_07]: But very practical example, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, I think Pam Bonnie did the original post where it was this graph of opioid deaths in America and it showed a sharp decline.

[SPEAKER_07]: You guys know what I'm talking about right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: They said, oh, you know, this is all thanks to Donald Trump.

[SPEAKER_07]: Joe Rogan had the same graph on his podcast.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: And attributed the drop to Trump.

[SPEAKER_07]: But if we follow sort of the space time continuum over this universe that we exist in, [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: He didn't take office till January.

[SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: That graph ended at the end of 2024.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Biden was president.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: That whole decline was under Biden.

[SPEAKER_07]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_07]: Where was that under mainstream medium?

[SPEAKER_07]: Where did we see that as a frontline thing?

[SPEAKER_07]: I've yet another propagation of disinformation showing the lies.

[SPEAKER_07]: We've lost that check in balance.

[SPEAKER_07]: And unfortunately, people no longer read the newspaper in the way that they used to.

[SPEAKER_07]: They don't watch evening news like the way they used to.

[SPEAKER_07]: And they catch a quick glimpse on social media on Facebook or whatever, and then they take that as gospel.

[SPEAKER_08]: So you're saying, are you saying that if the news industry, it's self, held itself professionally to higher standards.

[SPEAKER_08]: That wouldn't prevent the propagandists and the losers and the morons from putting out whatever they want to put out, putting out a high garbage or whatever.

[SPEAKER_08]: First World Nations Finland, for example, they actually are training kids as young as three years old about propaganda and media literacy and being smart about this stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it would be far more far less likely that a near average hotel TV that there's Fox all the time or that if people are are being trained, you're saying that will actually help the mental health [SPEAKER_08]: of all the rest of us, and probably help our politics too, because then we're not soaked in all this propaganda and B.S.

[SPEAKER_07]: Do you like our act?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and when news, after a period of time, stop being about information, started being about entertainment.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, and I think that was a huge problem.

[SPEAKER_07]: You need to find innovative ways to doing this.

[SPEAKER_07]: And one of my favorite, you know, sort of news sources is John Oliver, because he needs it.

[SPEAKER_07]: He could be relatively dry content and makes it incredibly entertaining.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, he's his writers and himself and they're just amazingly gifted.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, but we need more of that.

[SPEAKER_07]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the comedians are doing the better news.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, look there there are there are people who tune in to our show and who love the news on tap that we put out Who tune in the Stephanie Miller or Bob Saska and they're like I got my news from you guys Which sometimes I'm like okay?

[SPEAKER_08]: Well at least with us we put in the news on tap We actually link to places like you know the Guardian and Reuters and BBC and you know we we legit news [SPEAKER_08]: But at the same time, sometimes I'm like, okay, you're getting your news in a bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it leads to our bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: But you're getting your news in a bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: You understand, this is not exactly where you're supposed to be getting your news from.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, that's, that's, that's like, you know, going down to the corner and, you know, I'm, I'm getting my religion from the girl on the corner.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's a whole lot of, [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the thing with news, when it was a lost leader for years, especially in television, and once it became embroiled in the entertainment section, and they had to make ratings, [SPEAKER_04]: That's when it started to go down.

[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say it's the late 80s early 90s.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's when that started.

[SPEAKER_08]: A lot of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because as soon as that, and it's to me, they want to make money.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they don't care how they make it, whether it's true or not true.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's all about clicks now for social media, and it's all about eyeballs and difference between news and media.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we're missing Mura.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're missing Kronkite.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're missing Jen Jennings.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're missing all these people that did their jobs appropriately.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think, you know, what's interesting is the media sources didn't change the delivery.

[SPEAKER_07]: They changed the content.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_07]: And and Trump learned that early on, like one of the ways I think he captivated the Republican primary the first time because he was when he entered the race.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they were he was a joke.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_07]: But he learned that if you're just dramatic enough, [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's move that Senate.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's great for ratings, but bad for the country.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's now since been fired because of other reasons.

[SPEAKER_08]: But because he was also bad in other ways.

[SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, but that's I mean, we all know that he's bad for the country.

[SPEAKER_08]: But this this particular guy, Trump that we've been kind of bringing into things that the reason why we bring it up among other things is some of the decisions that [SPEAKER_08]: that Mr.

Trump thinks are hard to comprehend in a similar way to the people who, you know, attack the the capital in January 6.

[SPEAKER_08]: Because honestly, I would be like, first of all, where do you get off thinking smearing feces and walls of the capital is like, okay, that you're going to get away with that?

[SPEAKER_04]: I Confederate flags in the capital.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, like that kind of mentality, but then you've got Mr.

Trump, for example, as we're jokingly calling this Well, that's his actual last name.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I know, but it's a mythical person.

[SPEAKER_08]: We're talking about this God likes it.

[SPEAKER_08]: God likes to slap his name on all kinds of buildings and things Things that are named for other people [SPEAKER_08]: Seriously, what kind of person does that?

[SPEAKER_08]: Like, you know, the Bob Smith Morale Center, and everybody loves Bob Smith, and you're like, you know what, screw Bob, I'm putting my name on there.

[SPEAKER_08]: What kind of a jackass does that?

[SPEAKER_08]: Seriously.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I think it's a couple things.

[SPEAKER_07]: And unfortunately, none of it's particularly good, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: So we typically sue ourselves, knowing that we were loved by people in our lives and we feel comforted by that and we, you're sorry, then he was never loved by him.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was never loved by his parents.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: So when we can't have that, like children that are learning that often will have a transitional object, a blanket, a teddy bear, or whatever, and it becomes a tangible object for them to sue.

[SPEAKER_07]: To make them feel comfortable.

[SPEAKER_07]: And in some ways, this idea of slapping your names on buildings that you really have no claim to whatsoever, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Is part of this idea where you, it would, it could indicate that you are so insecure, that you feel so empty inside.

[SPEAKER_07]: You need these external validations to feel important, to feel love, the problem is.

[SPEAKER_07]: The people that would go to that length, the pit that they have of emptiness is infinitely deep.

[SPEAKER_07]: There will never be enough coins, guitars, stakes, schools, hotels, whatever to fill that empty void of insecure.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it's a pinky.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: But there's no pinky large enough in the universe to solve this, to sue this person.

[SPEAKER_08]: Not at all.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_08]: Can we hang you around for last call, Dr.

Gremer?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because this is just starting to get really interesting now, because I want to talk about Mr.

Slobian every day for the next, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: Several years?

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: We'll talk about, I don't think it will be through years.

[SPEAKER_08]: Dr.

Gremer is hanging out with us here at the politics bar on a Tuesday night, freshen you drink.

[SPEAKER_08]: We got last call coming up, hang on.

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[SPEAKER_08]: We have the one, the only Dr.

Jeffrey Grammer hanging out with us here on a Tuesday night.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we've been talking off here a little bit about Mr.

Trump Donald's cousin.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's got some similar health issues with the hands thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: What is the hands thing?

[SPEAKER_08]: What is okay?

[SPEAKER_08]: It's a guest of it because obviously you don't know Mr.

Trump or Mr.

Trump.

[SPEAKER_08]: These are just speculations, but what will be the hands thing on Mr.

Trump?

[SPEAKER_08]: What's the deal on it?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so there's two things like he's admitted to taking a higher dose of aspirin, which is which is interesting Donald Trump sort of seems to be stuck in this like 1980s whole mindset of everything including medicine and they they decrease the recommended doses of aspirin for cardiac prevention or stroke prevention and some patients at risk for that we used to give it as a primary prevention, but we found that it actually increased deaths from bleeding so they they drop the recommended dose because it's a blood thinner.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and it prevents platelets from clumping together and stopping mild bleeding.

[SPEAKER_07]: But the other thing is, as we get older, the top layer of the skin loses the number of sort of connection so the underlying dermal layer.

[SPEAKER_07]: And it becomes much more fragile.

[SPEAKER_07]: And very minor trauma can cause it to shear off and you have these little bridging veins that will bleed and they're more likely to bleed if you're on aspirin.

[SPEAKER_07]: So even bumping up against the table or, [SPEAKER_07]: can call bleeding, cause bleeding.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now could it all be just hypothetically by IVs?

[SPEAKER_08]: Like IV medications may be the same.

[SPEAKER_08]: But here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: Alzheimer's or dementia.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's just a hypothetical suggestion.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr.

[SPEAKER_08]: Drums, you know.

[SPEAKER_08]: It could be.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the bottom line is, Trump's claims about his medical health are unbelievable at the extreme.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: They're just not sadtical.

[SPEAKER_07]: It sounds like it's coming from a three year old.

[SPEAKER_07]: So that means people try to fill in the gap.

[SPEAKER_07]: Could it be from an IV?

[SPEAKER_07]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_07]: However, if I were his provider, I wouldn't put an IV on the hand, because first of us, we didn't like to do that because it hurts the Vengeur small and everything else.

[SPEAKER_04]: It would be right around here, or anything else or something.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it would be your arm or someone else that's going to be hidden.

[SPEAKER_04]: My dad had a morphine drip and it was in his hip, I think, the way they had the port.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it just seems less plausible that he's getting monthly infusions for Alzheimer's dementia, and they're like, let's do the hand again.

[SPEAKER_07]: That wouldn't make any sense to me, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: But him being on blood thinners, being 80 years old or almost 80 years old, like he's having this easy bruising called senile perpura, that would seem plausible.

[SPEAKER_07]: And that's kind of what the White House has said about him.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm not saying anything that they're not saying what I'm saying is, [SPEAKER_07]: their explanation of all of the things they say actually has some plausibility in that.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's of course the idea is plausible to my ability actually having to be somewhat realistic, potentially okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a question.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he's been taking the asked friend for at least a decade or more?

[SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when he got shot in the ear, why didn't it bleed more?

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, [SPEAKER_07]: All right, I'm not a ballistic expert.

[SPEAKER_07]: What I will say is this.

[SPEAKER_07]: There are many things about that that just don't make sense.

[SPEAKER_07]: And unfortunately, you know, the person we took information for from was Captain Ronnie Jackson.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right?

[SPEAKER_07]: You went and saw him right away.

[SPEAKER_07]: Clam through, through, through.

[SPEAKER_08]: He has some issues, some known issues with the truth.

[SPEAKER_08]: Let's just.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and in prescribing control.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I've scratched my ear and it takes a while and I don't take aspirin constantly.

[SPEAKER_04]: It takes a minute or sometimes 20 minutes for it to stop bleeding.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Whatever happened, it was not be through and through earwoon that he magically grew back on his own because he's super human.

[SPEAKER_07]: That didn't happen.

[SPEAKER_07]: What happened?

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: It may have just been a little bit of cavitational kind of, you know, a abrasion of the ear from it just passing by at high velocity, but it doesn't make sense of what they said at all.

[SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's, look, this is one of the nice things because a lot of times the stuff that they say makes us all feel like we're crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it's nice to know that we are not in fact crazy at all.

[SPEAKER_08]: We are the ones who are making logical sense.

[SPEAKER_04]: The normals?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: If you will.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you know, we're not, we're not crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: And the fact that they are doing so much gaslighting, that's them.

[SPEAKER_08]: We're the ones who are actually for the most part, for example.

[SPEAKER_08]: And this is getting away from the Trump stuff that maybe you know more in a health care in general.

[SPEAKER_08]: Every other first world nation has some form of universal care.

[SPEAKER_08]: Regardless of whether they're in authoritarian or a democracy.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, it doesn't matter where that's, everybody has figured it out, come from different directions and say, you know what?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, let's do universal care.

[SPEAKER_08]: What the hell is wrong with us here?

[SPEAKER_07]: But you know, this gets back to that morality, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: And let's talk about, I actually wrote about this on my sub-stack about, you know, which end we didn't get a lot.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then we didn't get a lot.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, we have that linked in the, in the guess section.

[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's sub-stack.com on our website at thebaltwickspart.com.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so so there are some people who believe in this idea of survival of the fittest and they see illness as not only a weakness, but an opportunity to call the herd again that gets back to this moral decision and the problem is you know it's interesting I'll I'll tell him to years ago I saw a patient.

[SPEAKER_07]: who had associate pathic personality.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is someone who actually he was a psychopath.

[SPEAKER_07]: He enjoyed harming others.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I remember the investigating officer asked me why I knew this.

[SPEAKER_07]: I said, because the things that he is concocting in his narratives of harming others, [SPEAKER_07]: things you can even think up on your own in your wildest dreams.

[SPEAKER_07]: The evenness of the mind like that is incomprehensible to most of us that live in a moral world.

[SPEAKER_07]: And you know when it comes to folks like that that currently are occupying some of the positions in our government, Steven Miller, Steven Miller.

[SPEAKER_07]: their intent is almost incomprehensible for most of us, and we tend to project our own sense of morality and our own beliefs onto them and try to give them some benefit of the doubt.

[SPEAKER_07]: This gets back to, like you see this in the media, where they give both sideisms and something they try to justify, at some point, call a spade, a spade.

[SPEAKER_07]: These are horrible things to do.

[SPEAKER_07]: We shouldn't take away snap benefits from people who will starve to death in the middle of a shutdown over the holidays while Trump is celebrating that Mara Logo in an octagon affair.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's just a thing of stuff for two million dollars and going, that's cheap.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's the moral compass of some of those people.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, do they think the French Revolution is going to come here?

[SPEAKER_04]: Because it's about to.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's just it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Many of them don't think it ever will.

[SPEAKER_08]: They don't think that any consequences will ever come to them.

[SPEAKER_08]: Um, there is a friend of ours, uh, Kimberly Johnson mentioned a video.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think I think I think I send it to you here, Dr.

Grammaram, but they that there's there's like a mental condition where people believe things that are true when I tell them this and I'm going, What's some of these people?

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, you know, maybe Steven Miller, maybe Donald Trump, may, would, do they, do they fit that mold of people who might have that or front of temporal dementia, or, I mean, or are they, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: So this is talk about Trump having frontal temporal lobe dementia, and we don't know, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Because, and we won't know until now, you have to, in fact, it's not just like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's like that.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: But let's talk about what I think is going on, because if you look back even years ago, Trump has always done something called, engaging a something called pseudo-losha-fantastica.

[SPEAKER_07]: where, or, or, or, or, or a very bunch, uh, Vaughn, was a fair and, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Vaughn, Va [SPEAKER_07]: January 6th, right?

[SPEAKER_07]: It was just a peaceful demonstration within the Capitol.

[SPEAKER_07]: And there are some people who actually believe their own fabrications.

[SPEAKER_07]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, confabulation you can see in memory disorders where people just make stuff up, where you have for breakfast, right had eggs.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, you didn't yet cereal.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's different than pseudo-loge of entescan.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is how your listeners can tell the difference.

[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Someone who's confabulating will often fill the details with mundane kind of generalities.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Someone with pseudo-logeophantasca who has pathological lying will have lots of details to often be a sensationalized story.

[SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it's the biggest and bestest ever.

[SPEAKER_08]: And he met this famous person and that famous person and this other famous person.

[SPEAKER_08]: They'd fill it.

[SPEAKER_08]: They'd fill it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Best of all time.

[SPEAKER_07]: Never been seen before.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've heard that before.

[SPEAKER_08]: A couple times.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, just just just a few.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a, but I love you, Dr.

Grammar.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it's not just, it's not just dementia.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's just the fact that he is a pathological liar.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's been this way.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's sociopathic.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's my diagnosis as not a doctor, but.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, let's talk about the definition.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[SPEAKER_07]: He has been convicted in a court of law 34 felonies of the someone claiming he has sociopathic tendencies matches the narrative of his historical behaviors.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: That fits.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not that bad at it.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's also a narcissist I think.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, but look, look, all of this is all of this is important.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think for the the the biggest reason that [SPEAKER_08]: It helps people understand they're not crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: Things really are this, the way that they are.

[SPEAKER_08]: We talked earlier today with the French on Barton who was in the bar.

[SPEAKER_08]: Talking about this, you know, Trump's new war in Venezuela.

[SPEAKER_08]: I was talking about with my barber who said okay so it's not about drugs because he pardoned the other drug guy it's not about this that the other she says you know what it's probably just a penis waving thing because they're just jerks that's what it is and you're looking she goes yeah she's not about oil because well companies don't want the oil it's not about drugs it's not about regime change because the leftmost will regime there [SPEAKER_08]: And she's like, okay, once that she knew that, she's like, okay, well, that's fine.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it, it calmed her down because otherwise she's like, God, this is just, this seems a little crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then once I walked through, she's like, okay, so they're just a bunch of jerks, doing penis waving guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Rachel Maddo said last night, he just did it because he could.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: But once you understand this, and you know that, you know, it looks crazy from the outside, and then you go, well, what's because it is crazy, but that means I'm not crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: They are.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I, I, I, I, I know where he's going to be.

[SPEAKER_07]: I do want to say one thing that's that's important with this, which is, in some ways, if you're insecure, if you behave without the constraints of morality or decency, it can make you feel more omnipotent.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_07]: Interesting.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right?

[SPEAKER_07]: Because you're even more powerful now, not even the idea of a right and wrong is holding you back from what you want to do or behave in.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I think in particular, Trump has made statements to suggest that he gravitate towards that kind of thinking and behavior.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: Amazing.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're working.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love you.

[SPEAKER_08]: I love you.

[SPEAKER_08]: Dr.

Grayward, thank you so much for coming and hanging out with us in the politics bar tonight because honestly, it's nice to feel sane and grounded.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's nice to know that we are not the crazy ones.

[SPEAKER_08]: There are some crazy folks out there.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's where he doesn't even work.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not the right word.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mental health is...

[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_08]: But they weren't at them.

[SPEAKER_08]: So...

Can you come back to the barn of the pond?

[SPEAKER_08]: always happy to join I really appreciate what you all do please take it up thank you very much we absolutely will thank you Dr.

Grammar we will see him again soon tomorrow we've got some uh another legal expert we have another expert a legal expert our friend Glenn Kersch yes we'll be in and of course Bob Cesca Pope Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob and for the first time in twenty twenty six we will have both Glenn and Bob here [SPEAKER_08]: So, dude, you got to do, put your coats on, head out, drive home safe, and remember, you know, if you drank too many comb Uber or lift yourself at all, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm seeing him or whatever.

[SPEAKER_08]: Here, at the politics bar.