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Hello and welcome to Investigator Podcast.

I'm your host Shadow alongside my beautiful wife Sherry.

On tonight's episode, this is part three of our series on the Charlie Kirk assassination.

We have moved beyond the shock of the tragic day and into deeper questions, who is really behind the trigger, what evidence has surfaced, and what does this mean for free speech and political safety in America.

To help us cut through this noise, we're joined by former CI officer Jason Hanson, a man who spent is a career in the shadows of intelligence and now teaches Americans how to protect themselves.

His insight on security motives and the bigger picture could shed light on what the mainstream media will not touch.

Guys, welcome to the show.

It is the September sixteenth, twenty twenty five episode.

Very very happy to have a Jason Hansen back on the show.

Jason, welcome back to the show.

Man, Great to be back.

Thank you.

Yeah, not a problem, Jason.

Obviously, we have had two episodes on the Charlie Kirk assassination already.

This is something that our podcast talks about quite often.

I think we've had you on the show a couple of times, and you know, when we first did our first episode, this was probably about two hours after the assassination happened, and obviously in that two hours, there were all these videos that were flowing on line to where it showed in graphic nature the loss of someone that has, in our opinion at least been out there fighting for free speech, been out there fighting for the conservative movement, but also just testifying and given his belief of his God and Jesus and everything that kind of wrapped into that.

Although obviously a lot of the people on the left say, you know, he was a very divisive figure.

He spread and spewed hate.

But I can't even say enough about how hard it was to get through that first episode after seeing those graphic images of Charlie Kirk being assassinated.

And I think that for so many people in this world.

It's not just in the United States.

This has taken over places like the UK and Australia to where there are mass events that are happening in memory.

Of Charlie Kirk.

Can you just tell me where were you when you found out the news and how did it affect you, especially as an ex or former CIA officer.

So I was in my office at the time, and I had been doing a bunch of conference calls, talking with clients and whatnot, and I just happened to get on the internet just taking a kind of a brain dumb break, meaning I was just on you know, see what's going on in the news, Fox News kind of thing, And that's when I first learned about it, And of course, like everybody else, I was shocked and thought it was horrible and tragic, and I mean, what a what a smart.

Young man doing great work.

Yeah, and we're all familiar with the phrase that, uh, you know, Satan makes evil look good and good look evil, and that's exactly what Satan did in this case, is you know, people saying horrible things about him.

He was obviously doing the right thing, was he was preaching the truth, preaching his faith and everything that all of us should be doing.

So it's just, yeah, a horrible, horrible loss.

Yeah, for sure.

Can you give us a little bit of your background, obviously, former CIA and you know, with podcasts like ours, with everything this crazy going on in the world and twenty twenty five, you know, there's a lot of people that blame the government, Blame the CIA, blame FBI, blame a lot of these heads of our agencies as like maybe a deep state tool or whatever you want to say.

But give us just a little bit of your background in the CIA.

How did you how did you even get involved in that?

And you know, was there a specialty for you?

So agency was great.

I love the CIA.

I think the men and women who do the work there are wonderful.

It's amazing.

I got in there because I was blessed to be born and raised in the Washington, DC area, So I had all these government aid agencies kind of in my backyard.

And when I graduated from college, I didn't know what the heck I wanted to be when I grew up.

So I applied to a bunch of different organizations.

I got job offers from the Secret Service in the CIA.

I decided to go with the agency.

I was there for seven years, and again I have nothing bad to say about it.

I left the AGENC see just because it's a single man's game.

I wanted to get married and have a wife and kids.

I'm now married, I have seven kids.

I run a private security company.

We do all kinds of security work, a lot of executive protection work on celebrities, especially musicians.

So that's what I'm doing with my life at this time.

Yeah, so let me ask you this.

Let's just start with that day, because this is what we're here to talk about, is Charlie Kirk.

And from your professional background, especially doing executive protection, you know what stands out to you as the most obvious failure on what happened that day.

Obviously, Charlie Kirk is not a political I guess you can say he's not a congressman, he's not a senator, he's not a president.

He is a political figure, but he is not afforded obviously secret service protection.

But what should have been done different that day to protect him?

And was his security lacking?

I mean, should they have been looking out for people like this on rooftops, especially knowing how you know far the left has talked about Charlie Kirk and you know, even going as far as to say that they wanted to kill him before.

So there's obviously a massive difference between the private sector and the government.

So in the government, like you said, they've got Secret Service detail.

They can shut down highways, they can shut down buildings, hotels, they can do whatever.

And of course, even if you do all that, we saw Trump almost get assassinated.

So even if you have the world's best protection, it doesn't always work.

And then the private sector, what a lot of people don't realize is it's expensive.

People don't want to pay for it.

People don't want to have as many people surrounding them.

So they said, we do a lot of celebrity protection, and they'll say, no, I only want one bodyguard.

You know, I don't want to be shadowed by four different bodyguards.

I only want one.

And you know, hey, when I come out of the store, I want you to hold on to my coffee and my bag.

Well, that's not real executive protection, that's customer service.

And you know, many of these people are lucky they don't have a serious threat because they wouldn't survive it, because having only one bodyguard is not going to work.

Well, same thing.

Obviously Arlei Kirk had more than that, but there's threat assessments, threat assessments.

So I'm sure his team did threat assessments and saw, hey, he's got these death threats.

They investigated him.

It's not serious enough, and they probably felt they didn't need the true amount of security.

So I can't remember if they said he had four security or six security team members.

I don't remember the exact number, but obviously, depending on the threats, you should have double that.

And it goes back to logistics and not wanting to pay for it, not wanting to do it, and so it's very difficult to operate the right way in the private sector because your client doesn't always want it, your client doesn't always want to afford it, or they say, well, no, don't worry about it.

I don't want you to have to do this.

I want you to hold like I said, hold my cop coffee instead.

So it's that fine balance, and that's why most of the political figures in the private sector, the Ben Shapiro's, the Charlie Kirks, their security is waya when I say, las don't have.

It is way under what they need to be, and it's just hard to do it the right way.

When it comes to law enforcement, we hear there's only six law enforcement officers that were on scene here.

Now does is it afforded to people like Charlie Kirk, especially on a public university, that law enforcement comes out to help that protection or is that mostly all on private security.

Well, here's we got to realize about the police there.

So you're going to university, you're saying, hey, we're having this.

They put a few officers there, these officers, and this is not to disrespect them whatsoever, because my very first job out of college was as a police officer.

Is they're sitting there used to dealing with some dumb punks college kids getting in a fight.

They are not trained to watch out for threats, for snipers, all that kind of stuff.

So they're hanging around watching in the crowd among people saying, hey, we just want to make sure there's no shoving match going on.

We want to make sure that nobody's going to throw a bottle of the kid or whatever.

So they don't have this skill set.

They're obviously not secret service officers or intelligence officers who have been trained on high levels of threat assessment.

So you know, it doesn't matter if you had six officers there, probably doesn't matter if you have twenty five officers there, because again, they're not trained for what they really need to be trained for, which is watching out the sniper on the roof, watching out for the serious threats.

They're trained to make sure that dumb college kids don't get in a fistfight.

Yeah, and so even with that, though, even with private security, if say that one of Charlie Kirk's private security guys saw someone on the roof, what could they have done?

I mean, could they have actually taken this guy out or what is kind of the rules of engagement with that?

So if you're trained, right, the rules of engagement are always covering evacuate.

So let's say that somebody spots the threat on the roof, right, Hey, that guy looks suspicious.

You're immediately rushing and pounding and pounding what I mean is jumping on top of the principle the person you're protecting.

So exactly like when Trump almost got assassinated, you know the saw the Secret Service immediately pounce on them, and you know they're covering up with their bodies.

It's always covering a BacT because when you're getting fired on, that's the danger zone, that's the threat zone.

You want to get out of their asap.

So if they have the proper training and they were worried about the threats, which again we have no idea what threats were coming at that time as of now, I don't have any idea.

We don't know what threats were specific for Utah Valley University, but if they had been serious threats, they would have at least I mean, they're not gonna most of these bodyguards are not trained snipers.

So it's not like they're going to sit on top of a roof and they're going to be counter snipers.

What they're going to do at the minimum and say, Okay, we're going to take out our binoculars.

We're gonna scam for the surroundings.

We're gonna see we see anything dangerous if the threat level warranted that, which I'm guessing it did not at the time or never had.

So that's all it is is.

It's very you know, if you're trained, right easy because okay, we see threat, we're not going to try and take out that threat.

We're not trained counter snipers.

We are just going to cover and evacuate asap.

Yeah.

Do you really think this guy acted alone?

I mean, obviously today in the congressional hearings, Mattel said, you know, we're actually tracking down a lot of leads on this, and then you hear you know, the prosecutor in Utah saying today in the press conference that you know, as of right now, we only know him as acting alone.

What is kind of the.

Difference in the federal investigation versus the state and local investigation.

How much will local know as far as a bigger network that maybe he was involved in, rather than what.

The prosecutor in Utah actually knows.

Well, here's what I believe is.

I believe it was him acting alone.

However, he was obviously heavily influenced.

So in the intelligence business, we have what are called useful idiots.

So what are useful idiots?

Well, hey, we don't like this person, so we want this person to be dead.

We know we can brainwash this knucklehead.

So think about the perfect useful idiot is a suicide bomber.

Right, somebody's so dumb that they're willing to strap on a bomb and go blow themselves up.

Right.

Those are the type of useful idiots that terrorists look for, that intelligence organizations look for.

That obviously, people online spreading a hate look for.

So they have these.

Different forms and say, hey, we've got a kid who's clearly radicalized, who's clearly a nut job.

We can push him over the edge.

So I one hundred percent those people are out there, and that's what probably the FEDS in the state are looking for right now is who really brainwashed and influenced this kid and sent him over the edge, and they saw this was a vulnerable person who was dumb enough to do something this horrific.

Yeah.

Yeah, and so we're already hearing about, you know, organizations and we've talked a lot about organizations like the Open Society Foundation, George Soros, and obviously if you look at the you look at all of the mass riots and all of the kind of coordinated, sanctioned I guess protest as you call them to where they're funded, they're organized.

I know George Soros has done a lot of that.

The Trump administration recently has been talking about this.

How much do you think, you know, when you look at an event like this, and especially from like the CI perspective, how much influence does these NGOs like the Open Society Foundation really have on not only are pob politics but also just people like maybe Tyler Robinson.

A big, big effect.

So there was an intelligence operation years ago and it was a socialist country, incredibly socialist, and there are all these organizations obviously influencing socialism.

Socialism is the greatest thing in the world.

Socialism is wonderful.

I mean, we got this knucklehead in New York City running for mayor who's like, I'm a democratic socialist, I'm gonna do all these things that any intelligence person knows are horrible and won't work.

But anyway, back to.

This country, there was this guy that the US governor was trying to recruit.

There was all these people trying to influence socialism, and somebody finally said to him, one of my buddies, like, hey, listen, how in the world can you believe in socialism?

It is horrible, It doesn't work.

History shows it doesn't work the people.

It affects horribly the average person.

And he says, well, yeah, you're one hundred percent right.

Socialism is horrible unless you're the top.

And I'm at the top, so it works great for me.

So if you're the George Soroses of the world, if you're the Congressman's of the world who up top, well, of course they want to spread this.

They want to brainwash the populace because there are the top and it works good for them.

Yeah, for sure.

And you had mentioned a word just a minute ago.

Useful idiot.

When stuff like this happens, if you're on X whatsoever, which we are all the time, there is everyone blaming everybody.

And it goes everywhere from Israel to George Soros, to LGBTQ to you name it.

I mean, there's always conspiracies, there's always blame.

Right now, you have Candice Owins and you have some of these people that are saying, hey, this is what was for sure Israel.

You know, Charlie Kirk started to kind of turn on Israel a little bit over the past couple of months.

He started to kind of, you know, step back a little bit from Israel.

There's some wording here that I guess Israel come and met.

With Charlie Kirk.

I think this is actually at least validated that they did offer Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk one hundred and fifty million dollars to invest into Turning Point USA.

Some people say that was to be more pro Israel.

Whatever the case is, he had turned it down.

And then there's also word that he was also offered a trip to Israel, which he also turned down.

Now, the one interesting thing about this whole topic is and I want to get this out of the way already because we've had a million questions.

I actually asked people on our Instagram and some of our social medias, I said, what would you want to ask Jason?

And I can promise you the number one question was about Israel, So I do have to ask this.

But even Nick Fuintest, which is one of the most anti Israel people there is, when it comes to I mean, all of his work, everything he's done has mostly been anti Israel.

Very smart guy, very well.

Spoken, for sure, but he even came out last night in one of his big streams he had I don't know, two hundred thousand people watching, and he had said, look, guys, I hate to tell you all this, but like, I don't think this was Israel that did this, only because Charlie Kirk has been so pro Israel his entire career and obviously people's stance on this is like, well, but maybe they thought CHARGE was starting to turn against Israel.

Now you as a former CIA guy, and we've talked a lot about Massad, and actually Cherry and I have talked back and forth on this podcast.

We've debated, we've kind of disagreed, on certain things.

Sherry's family is Jewish.

I come from a Christian household.

There's obviously differences in religion there.

But just as far as the intelligence aspect of this, Masad and CIA, how close are Masad and CIA, And how much influence do you think that Masad in Israel truly has on our government politics and intelligence.

So I'm a big fan of Masad.

They do awesome work.

They are incredible at what they do, and they are allowed to push the envelope a heck of a lot more than the US government is than the CIA does, So I think they're great.

They're absolutely trained.

Obviously, the agency works very closely with them when it depending on what it is.

I mean, it is an intelligence operation where they need to work closely.

So yeah, I mean, of course they're talking together when they need to.

Now, as far as the theories that hey, Israel had involved in this, No, I don't believe that at all.

That Israel's not going to do that.

They don't want to do it.

However, the person behind this, most likely again a very liberal organization.

Well guess what, Israel's a perfect scapegoat.

So they love the fact that.

Everybody's saying, well, Israel did this, Israel did this, Israel did this.

But no, like if somebody said, hey, you know, you've got to bet your life on that, you know ninety nine percent that Israel had to know involved with this involvement in this, I would say, yes, ninety nine percent, Israel had zero involvement in this.

That's just not something they would do or want to do, especially because of how pro Israel he is.

So but it goes back to there are the liberal organizations who say, all right, let's make Israel look like the bad guy.

Let's brainwash this young man, let's have it not tie back to us at all.

And then we know that there are so many conspiracy theories out there, will plant seeds, We'll go on the forums and say, hey, guys, do you think this is Israel?

So if people don't think that all these liberal organizations have their quote unquote bots working for them who go on all the forums and spread these Israel theories, well of course they do.

They want to figure to point elsewhere.

And it's kind of you know, intelligence brainwashing one on one.

Yeah, for sure.

And you know, and to that point too, it's like even with the you know, the CIA and talking about that with so many conspiracies around CIA, like how much do CI involve themselves in US politics or the things that happened.

Maybe you've heard the conspiracies around JFK and maybe who was connected to all of that?

Like how much of this Israel stuff do you think is true or not?

And obviously you're coming from an intelligence perspective.

And there has been other CIA guys that have been on other podcasts, like Sean Ryan and whoever that kind of pivot and say certain things.

There was actually a good example on Patrick Bett David where there was a CI officer and I cannot remember this guy's name, you might know who he is, but he had actually got charged, I believe, with espionage.

And one of the things that he did say though, was that every time the Israelis came into the CIA buildings, that every single time they found listening devices or some type of bug on them, every single occasion that Massad came into you know, CIA headquarters in Washington.

Do you know anything about that?

Is that true?

Whatsoever?

And if so, like, what does what does that mean for you?

Yes, yes, that is true, meaning Israel is our ally.

I love Israel, but they spy on us, and it is super annoying.

So even though they're a ally, even though we've given them a gazillion dollars, they still spy on the United States in any chance they get.

So US is the US government.

We do not spa on Israel.

We don't do that, obviously.

We spy on a whole excuse me, a whole host of other countries.

But yes, Israel's always trying to spy on us, always trying to do in various things, which is again annoying because we're allies and we're give the so much money and we help them, but it's almost like the little brother that can't help, but being annoying.

So yeah, that that is true.

But again going back to Israel and Charlie Kirker and he that, no, that's not true.

They got much bigger fish to fry.

Yeah, for sure.

So so we don't So we don't know for sure if he acted alone as of right now.

But if you were tasked with kind of running this after action investigation, what would be the things that you would be looking at right now?

As Cash betel or or whoever is going to lead this investigation, Department of Justice, whoever it is you know what what are what are the things you're looking at?

I mean right now?

The story is this guy had his I guess grandfather's gun that his father gave him, a thirty all six.

He went to the Utah Valley University campus.

He was walking with a limp, as you see on some of the surveillance cameras as he's going down the road.

Obviously he is hiding this gun in his pants leg, which is why he's limping, because you can't really extend your knee when you're walking with a weapon.

But the interesting thing was is that when he jumped off of the building, it looks like almost he didn't have a weapon.

Now he could have had it wrapped in a tower or whatever.

He did also obviously mentioned on text messages that hey, I threw it in the woods.

You know, I got to figure out how to go back and get this weapon because there's probably DNA on this which they did announce today that there is DNA on the trigger.

I think they also had a palm print on the rifle also.

But do you believe the story?

Is this just so easy to do as someone that takes a gun goes up on this campus shoots the person leaves.

Is there anything about the story so far that doesn't make sense.

To you, Well, unfortunately, it is that easy.

I mean, it's so this the shooter, where the shooter lives about thirty minutes from my house.

And so in Utah we've got BLN Land Bureau of Land Management, and that's just government land where you can go out shooting, and you can go out and shoot however many hundreds of yards you want, and I mean, it's it's all over the west you can do that.

And we're very fortunate that we'll hall of all that land where we can train, where we can go do target shooting and have fun.

So you know, the shot being two hundred yards, that's not a difficult shot.

That's not something where you've got to be a trained sniper.

If you've got some good glass on your gun, you are gonna be very in it zeroed correctly, you're gonna have no problem taking that shot.

And of course again you go out to the Utah desert and take those shots and train all day long.

So you know, if there are sleeper cells in this country, there's Iranian sleeper cells, many sleeper cells.

And I always saying one of the biggest things that is going to cause problems is either the hundreds of sleeper cell agents in this US from foreign intelligence foreign countries that came in through the open border during Biden.

They're either going to set off suicide bombs simultaneously in one hundred different cities, or they're gonna do snipers.

You know, they're gonna shoot people and use snipers in one hundred different cities.

That's how you really bring a country to his knees.

So doing this kind of stuff is not hard, but it also goes to living in a free society.

Obviously, we have the Second Amendment.

I'm a big support of the Second Amendment.

You pass your background check, you get your gun.

So it's not hard to get these rifles or do anything.

It's not hard to train.

And people are so self absorbed with their head and their cell phone, they're not paying attention.

So nobody's going to pick up on a kid with a lamb.

Nobody's gonna think twice.

So pulling this off is not some mastermind.

Now you asked me what I would do.

What the you know the government's probably doing right now.

Well, they're obviously going to know this kid better than knows himself.

They're combing through his digital life.

They are looking at every search engine, every diad, They're looking at every web page you visited.

They're going into his Amazon account.

What did he order an Amazon?

What books did he order?

What gun stores did he visit?

Where did he go shoot?

Where did he train?

I mean, they're going to know everything about this kid and pour over every detail of his digital life, and of course continue to and continue to interview friends and family.

Now as you protect other people like VIPs and such.

Do you think Charlie Kirk was wearing a plate and do you think it was possible that the bullet ricocheted off that plate into his neck?

From what I saw on what I know, No, it was a straight shot.

I mean there's no ricochet.

There was no you know from what I've heard.

Again, I don't know for sure.

I have not investigated these facts.

I want to be clear about that that he was wearing soft body armor and soft body armors level three eight.

That's only stopping pistol rounds.

That's not going to stop a rifle round.

So you can be a police officer wearing your soft body armor, but if somebody who's coming at you with a three oh eight two two three thirty odd to six or whatever.

It ain't going to help you.

It's not going to stop it.

So so yeah, so yeah, long story short.

No, I don't believe there was any ricochet.

That was just a unfortunately a shot straight to the neck.

So why did we not see like an exit wound, especially with a thirty all six, which I guess what is that?

The is essentially a three oh eight correct, right?

Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a very it's a powerful round.

I mean, so it's a hunting round, so it's obviously plenty to take down any human being or game or any of that kind of stuff.

Uh so, yeah, it's a solid hunting round.

But why did we not see that?

I don't know that answer.

I again, I don't I'd have to be up close and personal and have more facts than I do with this time.

Yeah, it's just strange because that's one thing we have not saw, is like an exit wound or something that looked like it actually came out the back or whatever.

It looked like it kind of exploded right there on his neck.

And you know, if you look at like a thirty out six bullet or if like I say, you shoot a deer, I mean usually those entry wounds and you can correct me if I'm wrong, are not as big or as I guess gashing as what this wound appeared to be.

But I guess that could also different.

Blood flow coming out of his body.

But if it hit his carotid artery, right, I mean, isn't that right?

Yeah, it times in the location.

Obviously that went right into his neck, so there's there's plenty of blood there.

So yeah, obviously.

Bullet placement where you hit your target, that's why there was so much blood.

Yeah.

So with all of our intelligence, though, Jason, how did we not pick up on some of this stuff?

You know, if you listen to podcasts like ours or Joe Rogan or anybody.

I don't know how much you want to talk about this, but you know how much does our intelligen just agencies really spy on us on an everyday basis?

And I'm talking about everything we do, whether it's listening devices I could be going into weeds here, but even your firestick remote or your telephone or you know, we know that for example, you know, we were doing this share of candidate race here in our county and so we were hanging out with him and we were talking about a specific product whatever that was, and he's like, thanks to you, Now I'm getting all these ads on my phone, you know, And this is all marketing.

I'm also in marketing.

But how much does intelligence agencies really monitor and surveil us?

And if that is the case, which obviously Edward Snowden kind of called out some of that, But if that is a case, like how did they and how do they not pick up chatter like this on a platform like discord?

If that is where this happened.

Well, first, most people give wayay too much credit and have way too much faith in the FBI.

Local law enforcement.

They don't realize how overwhelmed they are, how understaffed they are.

Going back to all the foreign intelligence officers that are in this country right now that came through the border, the FBI can't keep track of them.

They can't keep track of all these foreign spies.

They don't have the manpower, they're understaff they're under budget.

So yes, we collect this data.

We have all this information when you bring your Alexa, your Google Voice whatever, it's spying on you.

But somebody has to go through that data.

And they don't have enough people to comb through it.

Of course there's AI which helps with that stuff now.

But just because you have you know, a million trains let's just call it transcripts for lack of a better word, is you still have to read it.

You still have to see and we've got hundreds of millions of people in this country.

So it's a it's a nice, you know whatever dream where people are like, yeah, the governments can read everything I do.

Well, they could if they wanted to, but they have to have the time to go through it.

They have to be you know, going through that specific thing.

So that's the big problem is the FBI is woefully understaff.

That's how this type of stuff happens.

Yeah, can can you tell us like in your in your past and your history with CI was it something that you guys ever knew that like the government was using like surveillance tactics or did you ever know how they got intelligence that they then passed on to you?

Did you ever know the source of that intelligence?

Well, I mean it depends what's going on.

I mean, you always protect your sources.

Methods and sources are one thing that you know, I can't share or go over.

But if you ask me.

Yeah, I gotta I gotta be careful how I phrase this, like, you know, am I am?

I do?

I believe?

You know, the US government is always spying on a citizens.

Yes, I believe that.

So there's always ways to gather intelligence.

But you in the intelligence business, you're usually tasked with something.

I mean, you have a task.

And I'm just making this up, but hey, there's this there's this Russian scientist group.

We think they're inventing a dirty bomb.

You need to go find out who these Russian scientists are.

You need to find out why they're developing.

That is a certain task.

Yeah, So unless you know what your tasking requirement is, well, you know, there was probably no tasking requirement to hey there's a death threat again, Charlie Kirk, look into it.

They've got so many other things going on that that was not on the radar.

Yeah, that makes sense.

And I mean even to that question.

You know, and I've watched your videos.

I you know, we've we've had you on the podcast a couple of times, and I think that you are for sure, just based on me kind of knowing who you are, I think you are pro freedom.

I think that's something that you always talk about on your YouTube channel, which, by the way, guess go and subscribe to Jason Hanson the YouTube channel.

What is the actual title of your YouTube channel?

By the way, Jason, I think if they just do Jason Hanson's CIA, my YouTube channelill pop up.

That's probably the easiest way to get to it.

Okay, But I know that a lot of times, like a lot of your videos are for the public, for the people, right And and I guess my question to this is is that you know, how do like, at what point do we surveil people too much?

Right?

I remember when Trump got in office, he had Larry Ellison with Oracle, he had Sam Altman with open AI.

If we look at the state of China and their mass surveillance, right, and we know that China has this mass surveillance, this kind of digital ID system that they have, or a social credit score.

And then so one of the first huge press conferences Trump had, which I am a trump'pporter, Sherries a Trump supporter.

We have voted for Trump.

But one of the things I saw in that press conference was Larry Elson.

Obviously Oracle, which is a huge software company that many people believe was tied to the CIA, and kind of the CI, you know, utilized Oracle and Larry Ellison was a big part of that.

But at what point does it become too far?

Because obviously Trump's out here saying, hey, we got five hundred billion dollar investment for this and five billion dollar investment of this.

Then you think about Pollenteer, which is a system as we were talking about, like how can you survel everybody?

Someone has to go through that unless you then have a software like Pallenteer so where it can then coordinate and bring everything into one place and then utilize AI very heavily, categorically put things into certain boxes to where hey, here's what you need to look at the most, here's what you don't need to look at the most.

But at what point in time does that go against us rather than for us?

I mean we're already there.

I mean obviously, surveillance is only to get a gazillion times worse over the years.

I mean, look how fast we found this shooter because of all the surveillance cameras, because of everything we do.

So I personally don't have an Alexa, I don't have any smart devices inside my phone, that can listen to anything like that.

But yeah, we're one hundred percent in there.

Anything they want to know about you they have.

Now it's the government and corporations working together because corporations, obviously you want to make money, they want to sell your data.

Well, guess who buys that data the US government.

Now is US government always buying it through the Department of Homeland Security or whatever.

No, a lot of times they're buying it through shell corporations.

So it looks like just John Doe LLC is buying this data from Oracle or Facebook or Google whomever the US government getting it.

So the Israelis have this, and I say wonderful for spying purposes, not wonderful for privacy purposes.

Where the software they can hack all your cell phones, they could read everything.

Well, Ice is one of the customers of this software the Israelis made where they can hack any cell phone.

So I always tell people, if you think any phone you have is safe from hacking, you are out of your mind.

Like when I still do some well a lot of private consulting where I have meeting some person very sensitive topics, and I leave my cell phone at home or I leave it in the hotel room.

I don't even bring it to the meeting.

There's no electronics there because any cell phone can be hacked.

So I think people need to realize that is we're way way past that.

And if you have anything you really don't want to know, you better not have any electronic devices around you when you talk.

Yeah, And I want to get to this real quick, you know, to that point.

And I'm not saying this the case, I promise you.

I'm not saying this is the case.

But say, for example, do you remember the guy that blew himself up?

I think he was in a Tesla cyber truck in Las Vega.

I guess you remember this guy that I do.

Yes, So he had this manifesto and it was kind of weird because it wasn't long or after his death that his I think it was his Telegram account was logged into.

So someone else logged into his telegram account.

Just tell me this.

If CIA wanted to log into a device and say they wanted to frame someone, right, just just say that, like there was some type of operation and they wanted to frame someone.

And I'm not saying that Tyler Robinson has framed because I think this guy is the right guy.

I will say that on record, but I'm just saying in other cases, if CIA or MASAD wanted to frame someone and so that say, for example, what we have your text here, we have what you said to this person.

On the day that you committed this crime.

Like, how easy would it be for CIA or MASAD or some other intelligence agency to log into these to whoever they're pass he is, just say, for example, and communicate with maybe their girlfriend or boyfriend or family member to say that, hey, I did this crime and this is what happened and blah blah blah.

How easy would that be?

Do you think it would be scarily easy?

So if somebody wanted to I A.

If a government organization wanted to frame somebody wanted to hack into their devices, yes it could be done.

So of course we're speaking hypothetically, but yeah, it's not hard.

I mean, if the government targeted you and said, hey, Chad, we want to make it look like you're a a you know whatever, it is, a terrorist or whatever, they could easily plan those messages.

They could they could hack in your accounts, So yeah, that would not be difficult at all with the technology the government has today.

Yeah, all right.

Next question, you had mentioned Massad again, How is Masad so intelligent?

I guess you can say, right, because we we had a guy on our show probably about a year and a half ago.

He is within the Department Homeland Security.

He's not now, he actually retired now.

But one of the things that he he had told us was just his interactions with Massad and all this stuff and like and how advanced in their intelligence that Masad is.

And so you heard about the pager incident with a mas to where they intercepted this pager deal and they blew up all these pagers.

Like how are they so good?

Is the question?

I mean, you know it.

And most people think, like if the United States wasn't fully supporting Israel in the way that we have to support Israel, Israel would not They would.

Basically cease to exist.

Do you feel that way?

Like if the United States say that the United States got taken out tomorrow, what happens with Israel tomorrow?

Israel continues that Israel's fine.

Here's why they have motivation that many countries don't include the US.

So they are surrounded by people who hate them.

They're surrounded by people who want to blow them up, and they are fighting for their religious beliefs.

So there are many intelligence agencies around this world who are amazing, and Israel's one of them.

So when I'm teaching my classes, I tell people, I say, you know why North Korean intelligence operatives are so good because if they screw up, they get put to death.

You know what happens if an intelligence officer or the US government screws up.

Well, the joke is, they get a promotion.

So when somebody is going.

To kill you.

If you screw up, you're pretty motivated to do the job.

If you are fighting for your livelihood and your religion, you are pretty motivated to do the job.

Plus, the Israelis have a latitude that we in the US government and me I obviously don't work in the US government anymore, but the US government doesn't have, So they are able to be much more savage, much more ruthless, cross lines that we would not morally cross in the United States.

Yeah, and see that's the thing with Israel.

It's like even with the October seventh thing, obviously we knew October seventh happened.

We're not getting too far off the weeds.

But October seventh happened, but like the response is like not the greatest public relations campaign for Israel, and I think that's what's led and turned a lot of people away from that.

But you know, I guess the big thing is, especially with the Charlie Kirk thing, everybody went to blame Israel.

And this is one of the things.

Like you can debate on the response to Israel and Gaza, you can debate a lot of things, but the problem is is that when we start blaming Israel for everything, which there are definitely influencers doing right now all over social media, and I'm talking about some of these people are huge accounts.

I think at discredits, Like, if you do actually have an issue with Israel about something they have done, do you not think that this credits everything that you've been you know, if you actually have a valid argument against Israel or against the way they responded, or maybe even against their influence in American politics.

I mean, do you think that Israel has a huge influence on American politics, especially in light of like APEC for example.

I mean, I think they do have an influence.

But I think the reason I love Israel and so great is they don't give a crap.

So they don't care what others think.

They take care of business.

Where hear the UI, we still have politics, we still worry about PC stuff way too much and all that kind of stuff.

But you know, Israel isn't worried about being PC.

They're not worried about the world loving them.

They said, hey, this happened, this was done to us.

Our people are murdered.

We're going to take care of business and we're going to be ruthless and savage about it.

And I like that because they move fast, they're efficient, and they don't have as much bureaucracy that slows them down as we do, as we hear have here in the US.

Yeah, all right, Next question I have is we think, you know, what is your religion?

By the way, do you believe in God and all that stuff?

Is that kind of your real lif I do.

I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.

Okay, I got you.

Okay.

So with that being said, when you think about you know, we've talked also a lot about the New World Order, right, so this advancement of this one world government sounds like a huge conspiracy theory, which is literally we've always talked about the New World Order as being this huge conspiracy.

I mean, Christianity and all this has talked about this.

The Bible talks about this for throughout many verses.

This one world government, this this mark of the beast, which you know, if you talk about social credit scores and all this, maybe that's what we're going towards.

But how how real do you think it is?

I mean, especially from an intelligence officer perspective, how real do you think it is that there are organizations or groups out there in the world that are trying to completely destroy the sovereignty of nations for their benefit?

A hundred percent absolutely true.

I mean, as a Christian, we know that before the Second Coming, life's going to get much much worse.

The world is going to get, you know, not getting any better.

Society is going to go more in the dumps and dumps as we are witnessing.

I mean, we just look at all the crazy stuff, the transgender stuff, the like, you know, thinking that a boy should be able to use a girl's bathroom, I mean, the the absolute insanity.

So we know that Satan is behind these organizations.

He wants as I said earlier, good to be evil and evil to be good.

So socialism and communism are the perfect example.

Is they want to make it seem great, they want to make it seem wonderful.

So yes, they would love to overall because socialism always leads to communism.

How they communist state where they control everybody.

And there are all these people who have not studied history, who are not very intelligent, who are saying, oh yeah again, I'm only a democratic socialist.

So yes, there are one hundred percent groups working to overthrow freedom, which is why our Constitution was inspired by God, which is why our Bill of Rights was inspired by God and is so important because that's what keeps us free.

Yeah.

Absolutely, Can I play this clip real quick?

I want to play this.

This is what the shooter was communicating with his boyfriend, which I guess was I guess trying to transition into a female.

But I do want to play this.

There are a couple of things here that I want to ask you about, and so that's what I want to talk about this.

But listen here real quick and we'll can Being on.

The backside, the roommate.

Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson.

The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting, and he did provide those messages to police.

On September tenth, twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from Robinson which said, drop what you're doing.

Look under my keyboard.

The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it.

Police found a photograph of this note.

The following exchange text exchange then took place.

After reading the note, the roommate responded, what you're joking, right, Robinson?

I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in Orum for a little while longer yet shouldn't be long until I can come home.

But I got to grab my rifle still.

To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age.

I am sorry to involve you, roommate.

You weren't the one who did it, right Robinson, I am, I am.

I'm sorry, roommate.

I thought they caught the person Robinson.

No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.

I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down.

It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.

Roommate.

Why Robinson?

Why did I do it?

Roommate, Yeah, Robinson, I had enough of his hatred.

Some hate can't be negotiated out.

If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.

Going to attempt to retrieve it again.

Hopefully they have moved on.

I haven't seen anything about them finding it.

Roommate, how long have you been planning this, Robinson?

A bit over a week.

I believe I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it.

I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it.

Robinson Again, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.

I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.

Ide k if it's had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me.

I worry about Prince.

I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring it with I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints.

How the F will I explain losing it to my old man?

Only thing I left was the wrapple.

Was the rifle wrapped in a towel.

Remember how I was engraving bullets.

The fin messages are mostly a big meme.

If I see notice bulge UWU on Fox New, I might have a stroke.

All right, I'm gonna have to leave it.

That really FN sucks.

Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gone does just fine?

IDK I think that was a two k dollar scope?

Wink wink Robinson.

Robinson again det this exchange again Robinson.

My dad wants photos of the rifle, he says, Grandpa wants to know who has what.

The Fed's released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique.

He's calling me rn not answering Robinson.

Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard.

Maga Robinson.

I'm going to turn myself in willingly.

One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff again.

You are all I worry about love that came from robinson roommate.

I'm much more worried about you.

Robinson.

Don't talk to the media.

Please, don't take any interviews or make any comments.

If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and stay silent.

All right, So there you go, Jason.

What I got to ask you about this is first sounds like this guy was basically admitting this.

He was bragging about a two thousand dollars scope, He talked about Grandpa's rifle, the old man, all this stuff.

I have to ask you, though, because there's gonna be people listening to this podcast they're like, oh my god, but that's probably someone that was like texting for him.

Have you ever experienced anything or any operation, or ever heard of any operation that could possibly manipulate something so hardcore, even down to text messages to someone that implicated them as a useful idiot?

As I said earlier, could it be done?

Absolutely?

Is the technology out there to be able to do it?

Yes?

But do I think that's what happened?

No?

I mean, when people do things like this, they want to brag, they want to tell their loved ones.

This case, it was his boyfriend, and people can't keep their mouth shut.

So this made national news.

He wanted to let you know, his loved one know that he was the one who did it.

Kind of thing.

So, any kind of conspiracy where the government was behind this and they're doing it, yes, they have the technology.

No, I don't think they do it.

This was just like most criminals who can't keep their mouth shut.

Yeah, and you had mentioned the glass earlier.

He bragged about the scope.

Two thousand dollars scope that obviously means a lot in shooting, if you're going to try to shoot someone and kill them, right, Oh.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, if you are buying a decent scope, it's going to cost more than the gun.

So I doubt Grandpa's old gun costs two thousand dollars.

But that is the joke.

As you know, you might you might go buy a I'm just making this up, a fifteen hundred dollars ar fifteen, but now you're buying a two thousand dollars scope to go on it.

So yeah, it's very.

Common that whatever optics you're buying are going to be more expensive than the firearm.

Yeah, and then the engraving and bullets thing.

We go back to Luigi Mangione.

You know, he was the killer of the United Healthcare CEO, and I don't know if you remember the videos and everything we saw on mainstream media that kind of they did the purplalk.

This was in New York City when he landed in a helicopter.

They had him in this orange jump shoot or jumpsuit, shackled, chained, you name it.

And there was a lot of people.

Even then that said, man, this looks like some kind of movie like The Joker or something.

To where they're walking this guy down.

He is almost like, although a lot of normal people will look at this person as a killer, as someone's very evil, but there are also going to be people that are incited by this.

They look at this figure and even with the Minnesota shooting it just recently happened, you know, the engravings on all of his rifles, the bullets and all this stuff, and then you have this guy also engraving bullets.

Is like, how do you stop that and also maintain freedom of speech?

But also how much is mainstream media implicated in this to this degree?

Well, I mean, these crazy people do crazy things.

They want to be famous.

They engrave their bullets so that they can read it and they get their message across, and they think it's going to influence the world, it's going to change things.

But of course we're dealing with appsol insane mad men.

So how do we stop it with freedma of speech.

I mean, it's not going to stop.

It goes to the very, very horrible saying of we have the Second Amendment.

Guns can be used to do horrible things, as we've seen in the Charlie kirkshooting, but you can't take away the Second Amendment.

Same thing with freedom of speech.

People say horrific things online, racist, horrible things, but you can't take.

Away freedom of speech.

So, you know, just kind of a weird tangent.

But China has more foreign spies in the US and the other country on Earth.

Right, Chinese our biggest threat when it comes to our safety and security democracy, and they have more spies in universities than any foreign government.

But that goes to with our freedoms in this country, people being able to.

Come over here.

So when you have a free country, when you have all the rights we have, it is easier to infiltrate.

And that is one of the again, the good, the bad, and the ugly that we have to deal with as a nation with our freedoms.

Yeah, and that makes me think about that too.

Is like, I think Trump is about to let in six thousand Chinese students, right, I think it's six thousand.

I mean, how many of those students do you think that the Chinese government will make sure are spies?

And why would Trump do that?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Why would he do that?

I have no idea.

I mean money, they promised him an investment or whatever, but how many are spies as many as China wants to be.

What people don't realize is we live in a free society.

If you are going over to China or any nation and you're going to school and the FBI comes to you and says or the CIA says, hey, we want you to spy for us.

As American citizens, you can give him the middle finger and say no thanks, audios.

But if the Chinese government comes to you it says, hey, I see you're going over to Johns Hopkins and you're going to be a doctor.

We want you to spy for us, they cannot say no.

So that's what people don't get.

That's why there are so many Chinese spies in every university.

And the big thing that China does well that we us, the United States, do not well is we have no patience in the US, meaning if somebody joins the CIA, we.

Say, hey, what did you do for me yesterday?

We want results yesterday.

But China is willing to put somebody in a university here when they're eighteen years old, and they're willing to wait twenty years until they're in the CIA, in the FBI, in Google, Amazon, Facebook, and then they can produce a intelligence.

So China is very good at playing the long game.

We've talked a lot about Charlie Kirk.

I do have a question because I man RP would hate us if we didn't.

Ask you this.

CIA and deep states.

How connected are those two terms.

Connected?

But it is absolutely not what people think.

The deep state.

Let's say Biden at the time.

The deep state is not Biden.

The deep state is a middle manager who's with the CIA, the FBI Secret Service for thirty years.

So we got to remember when a president gets elected, they're only around for four.

Years, eight years.

Whatever the deep state is entrenched, it is that middle manager who cannot get fired from the government, who causes problems for the next thirty years, and that is what the true deep state is.

So everybody wants to have a conspira theory again, it's this you know, the presidents and he's pulling the strings.

He's a pup master.

No, it's all these deadbeat middle managers who aren't going anywhere, who can cause problems and slow things down for the next thirty years of their tenure.

Yeah, so you're saying, you know, you as ci officer, not deep state, but there's someone kind of in between that.

And how if we have all of this intelligence, how do we allow that in America today?

Like how does it seem like that?

You know, look at the UK, for example, Kyle Starmer and the mass immigration over there to where it's like people are getting thirty people a day are getting arrested for what they're saying about the immigration, the mass immigration, the Sharia law, all these things.

They're being arrested for this.

And then you have Pam Bondi today coming out and saying, based on the Charlie Kirk assassination that we have to create some type of hate speech laws.

This literally goes almost exactly to what the UK government did about immigration.

And to me, it doesn't really matter like who you're going after, because you're not going like you just said, you're not going to be there forever.

And the same thing with Oracle, with Pallunteer, with these companies that are making mass investments in the United States, Trump's not going to be there forever.

Whether you think that Trump is going to masterbeil people and create this surveillance state, he may not be the one to do it, but he is potentially setting up the ground game for this mass surveillance state for whoever eventually long term takes over.

How how do you figure all that out?

I mean, you know, like from an intelligence perspective, what is the right thing to do?

Well, I'm a person who's one hundred percent for freedom of speech.

I don't believe that, you know, there should.

Be any anything that's going to horror our freedom of speech.

You know, Elon Musk talks about how he's one hundred percent no matter what pro free speech.

That's how I am too, And so I think the big thing is and you ask, you know, how.

Do these people get away with a deep state?

It's because of they're they're the people in charge are afraid of him, meaning this person is gay.

Oh, we don't want to fire him because they're going to claim we fired him because they're.

Gay, or this person is a certain race.

We don't want to fire him because they're gonna say it's because they're a certain their skin color is certain things.

So that is the that is the big, big fear is just still I know, you know, Trump's in office again.

I voted for him.

I'm glad, but we're still way too politically correct in this country.

And they'll say, oh, shoot, that woman's a lesbian.

We can't touch her.

We're not gonna we're not gonna reprimand her at all.

And these people know that.

Without going into too many details, I have come across this where somebody said, well, hey, you know, i'm a i'm a woman, i'm a lesbian, i'm black, you can't touch me kind of type of thing.

So they they.

Know that, and people that's but you know, whenever I say something that they're like, oh my gosh, you're racis no.

No, no, I mentioned their gender, I mentioned their sexuality.

I mentioned the race.

Because they have literally said they know That's how they're untouchable.

Yeah, and and and the other.

The other thing I want to ask, I mean, as a CI officer former anyways, was there anything when you got into the agency that you maybe didn't realize or was there things that you were like, damn, maybe some of the conspiracy theories theories are right.

I mean, what did you think about that?

Because, I mean, so many people do not trust our government, They do not trust our CIA, they do not trust FBI.

It goes through terms like I said, the Biden, FBI, the spying on Trump, all of this stuff.

It changes ever so often.

But you know, CI correct me if I'm wrong.

Aren't they supposed to do everything internationally?

So they're not really supposed to do stuff in the United States of America.

That's kind of FBI job correct?

One hundred percent correct.

Yeah, The FBI is all US is all domestic, the CIA is all international.

And you know what I believe is ninety nine percent of CI officers, FBI agents, they are good.

They're good people.

There's always going to be that one percent who are corrupt, and that is the problem is we just got to root out that one percent.

But I've worked with.

So many amazing men and women and had so many great mentors who taught me a lot.

So I have faith in America still.

I have faith because there are those people who are.

Fighting for us, who are putting their lives on the line every day at intelligence agencies, military and all that.

I just think we need to crack down, not be afraid of weeding out the one percent.

And that's what we're not doing a good job at.

So you don't think and kind of one of the last questions I want to ask you, know, I want you to break this down.

The problem is like when we look at Russia, we look at Iran, we look at all of these other nations that you know.

Typically growing up, I've always thought these are our enemies China, Russia, North Korea, whoever.

But it seems like a lot.

Of people have kind of shifted their potential enemies to our own government to some degree.

Whether it is that our intelligence agencies are more so after us and our thoughts and our beliefs rather than they are after foreign agents or belie I'm not saying that CIA is not out there doing their job across across the world, but I'm just saying a lot of people believe that CIA, FBI are also working against their own people.

What do you say about that?

I think it's more conspiracy stuff again going back to ninety nine percent.

Sure there's the one percent to do bad things, but mostly they are dealing with what they're supposed to be dealing with.

So I don't I mean, it's just a good narrative.

I mean, how do you how do you bring down a nation?

You have it divided?

We all know that.

That's why Russia and Iran and China and all them.

Then they have you know, nerds sitting behind a computer who are saying, hey, you know, let's kill Charlie Kirk, Let's kill this person, Let's kill this person, because they want to stir up hatred in this country.

They want to brainwash people to do things.

So I don't think the massive majority are doing it.

I don't worry.

I mean, yes, I worry about it, so beeachers, But I don't think it's our biggest concern.

The biggest conservatives, all the foreign adversaries who know how politically chargedway our as a nation, deciding to divide us.

So it goes back to you know that hot shick.

You think you're talking to an on the Internet is probably an Iranian terrorist who's trying to convince you to go do something horrible in your local city.

Yeah.

Yeah, because there are definitely people that are ideologically based in what they believe and they're going to go out and do these things.

But they're not just people that wake up one day and decide they're going to go kill Charlie Kirk.

I mean this is a type of movement or maybe even an intelligence operation.

Correct.

It's grooming.

So we know how those horrib well sex traffickers groom young women, we know all that stuff.

Well, it's the same exact playbook when you're trying to groom somebody to do what this young man just did.

So you find the vulnerable, you go to all the forms.

And if somebody says, and I'm just I'm obviously very conservative, I'm a Republican.

But if somebody said, hey, you know you need to go start grooming a dumb liberal to do something horrible, well, I'm going to find out where all the liberals hang out, right, I'm going to go to all the chat forums.

I'm going to start, you know, get to know them better.

An intelligence operation is obviously surveillance and know your target better than they know themselves.

And then you know how they talk, they speak, you know, where they hang out, you know, like the local meeting groups.

So then you go there, you start influencing them, and yes, it's espionage one oh one.

Yeah for sure.

And I want to ask a question as far as the college campus university police, what could they have done better to prevent this situation?

Is there anything they could have done?

No, because it goes back to being understaffed and undertrained.

I mean, this is local college campus police.

They are not the you know, they're not the Swant team.

They're not highly trained FBI or CIA officers.

So their job is crowd control.

Their job is just making sure fights don't break out.

They're not sitting on rooftops with the binoculars scanning around just because they've got so many other things to worry about.

They got to worry about.

Hey, there's a drunk, you know, and a fight in a dorm room.

We need to go bust that up.

So unless you are going to give these local colleges a much bigger budget than you know, no local polices can be able to stop this type of thing.

Yeah, all right, last question, Jason, I know you got to go what do people need to do?

And we've asked this on other podcasts with you before, but how do we need to take our security?

Sincerely?

What do we need to be doing as people and especially podcasters or people that are out there speaking out?

You know, what are conservative influencers going to do if they want to continue Charlie's legacy?

How do you do it safely?

Or do you just risk that?

Is that something that you just have to risk?

Well?

All it goes back to trading convenience and security, that fine spectrum.

Right.

So the fact that hey, I'm going to get in a car with a stranger called Uber, I'm going to go stay in a stranger's house where they could have the house bug called Airbnb?

So how do they do it?

As First, you got to take threats more seriously.

I get a couple of death threats a year from weirdos, and I take them seriously, even though it's a pain in the bud to investigate the threat.

It takes time, and of course the vast majority of threats are just wackos who are who are spewing harmless hate.

Is I think that needs to be done.

I think the problem is we all get desensitized.

So I'll just use a round number.

If you've got one hundred death threats a year, you get a hundred death threats a year like, ah, you know not, and you investigate him over the years, never had one, never had one?

Will you become desensitized to think, God, it's just it's just the local nut job again, no big deal.

So I don't think you can ever allow yourself to become undesensitized.

Whoever the word I'm looking for there is.

For instance, like anytime I leave my office to go home, I do what's called a surveillance detection route.

Was just a fancy way of saying I'm not I'm making sure I'm not being followed home.

So I do that every single night before I go home.

I never let my guard down because the one time if I'm lazy, well, that could bring the boogeyman back to my house where my wife and seven kids are.

Yeah.

So I think it's just being vigilant at all times and not being lazy, which I admit is not easy to do.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, it's a scary time to be alive, for sure.

And you know, even with our podcast episodes on Charlie Kirk.

They've got millions of downloads, and you know something for us, it's like, you know, are we going to stop what we're doing?

Absolutely not, because I think if we take anything from Charlie Kirk's assassination, his death, his murder, is that we can't stop doing what Charlie did bravely.

You know, he went out there in front of people.

There was a lot of people said, you know, when I heard that Charlie Kirk was shot, I thought that it was someone that came up to the microphone and shot him right there, right in front of him.

I'd never thought that it would be someone on a rooftop kind of very similar to Donald Trump's attempted assassination.

But why can't they use like AI software where they can detect guns and stuff, you know from the video that we saw, Why could they not detect that at a time.

It's not good enough yet.

I mean, they're obviously working on that type of software, but AI is still in infancy, and there's nothing good enough that can you know, not have.

A bunch of false positives and all that type.

Yeah, for sure.

All right, well, Jason, listen, thank you so much for coming on we appreciate your insight to this.

So there's so many more questions we could ask you.

There are so many more things that even with the Thomas Crooks tempted assassination on Donald Trump, which doesn't make any sense, we could talk about maybe we bring you back on for that, because.

We went heavily into that.

A lot of that doesn't make sense.

But Jason, can you just give everybody like what you're doing right now?

You have the spy School.

If people do want to protect themselves or groups or organizations, what can they do?

How can they find you?

And and I'm glad you're doing that, by the way, because I think if at any time in our lifetime we need something like spy school what you're doing, and I think we need it now.

Yeah, I'm doing a ton of training on our three hundred and twenty ecre spy ranch and people can either go to Tactical Spy School dot com or Spybriefing dot com and either way they can find training.

And I'm happy to help in any way I can.

Awesome, Well, thank you so much for Jason Hanson for coming on the show.

Jason thinks we'll definitely have you back on very very soon, guys.

That is Jason Hanson.

I'm glad we had Jason on.

I really am.

I want to go ahead and say this.

The reason why I asked Jason questions about Israel is because there are certain people online that are talking about this is all Israel, this is this is Candie Owans, Ian Carroll, many others.

And I actually spent about an hour and a half last night at three in the morning listening back to Nick Fuintes's video, and he did a really good job because obviously he has investigated this whole thing, what Candice Owans is proclaiming, what Ian Carroll's talking about, He's done this.

Someone like Nick Fontez that is heavily.

Yeah, he would be the one saying, yes, Israel did this because he does not like Israel.

No, let's just be honest, No, he doesn't.

I mean for some valid reasons for sure.

And he's just like, I don't think this happened, guys.

And there were people in his chat by the way, last night that said, I can't believe you're saying this.

I cannot believe that you were saying that this is not Israel.

And this is a mindset that we have to get out of there.

Yes, it's not always Israel.

There are definitely things that Israel has done that I don't agree with.

First, sure, there is apak, there is the political influence, There is a lot of those things that I do not agree with.

But also at the same time, you can't just be like, well, everything that happens is Israel.

That's the boy that cries wolf.

That's when.

And by the way, if you are against a lot of the stuff that Israel has done, then the one thing you shouldn't do is blame everything on Israel without any validation for that whatsoever, because that makes you look like a liar, It makes you look like an idiot.

And then if something actually does happen that Israel is implicated in, no one's gonna believe you after that.

And there are already people that are heavily going after people like cand of Soans right now, like like Ian Carol, like all these.

People, and they're making them look like idiots.

And that's really like if your movement right now, because there are people that have a movement against Israel and against their response to.

The Dusty Owens is going against Israel because of the Ben Shapiro conflict.

I don't know, maybe I mean possibly, Like you know, if I'm Candi Soans and I was at the Daily Wire and I started saying that Christ is King and then got terminated because of that, and my religion is Christianity and Jesus, I'm probably definitely going to come out hardcore again, you know, especially as an organization like the Daily Wire.

And you know, if you think about this, take with Charlie Kirk, for example, where Candee so Wins the other day she had this live stream I think it was yesterday, where she talked about this meeting, this huge meeting.

That Charlie Kirk was.

It was almost like an intervention.

Bill Ackman one of the leading Jewish donors, He's a Jewish guy, billionaire.

Supposedly they all got Charlie Kirk to this place in the Hamptons, which was Bill Ackman's house.

He hosted this thing.

And so the narrative from Candie so Wins and Ian Carol was is that Charlie Kirk was sent here for an intervention.

And there were even people yelling at Charlie Kirk and saying you do not speak against Israel, right, Like how dare you do this.

So a lot of that, like narrative of an intervention seems to be a lot of bullshit from when I'm hearing, and even Nick Ponte has this kind of calls that out because he has reached out to so many influence.

They invited fifty conservative influencers to this event.

Right, These are people with I think a combined of over one hundred million followers.

So they invited these people.

They had these panels, They talked about Israel, they talked about like what the conservative influencers did not agree with, they talked about what they did agree with.

They kind of all sussed all that out.

They talked about it, they discussed it.

But what led to this is based on a report from I think it's the Gray Zone.

The Gray Zone reported this and said that Charlie Kirk essentially was sent to this place, Bill Ackman's house.

He was he was set down and there was like six or seven people that were around him, and they wanted to try to influence him to either be more pro Jewish, pro Israel, or else.

Right, that was the take.

Yeah, But my take is I'm seeing Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens going after everyone and they're sus to.

Me, well, I don't think that.

I look, I'll be honest with you, I don't know.

They have been sus before, even Charlie Kirk's death.

No going after people that were pro Israel.

But listen, all I'm saying is is that I'm trying to make this very clear.

I think that what Cannas Owens and Ian Carroll and some of these other people reported about what happened at Bill Lackman's house is not accurate.

That's what I'm saying.

And what I do think is accurate though, and this is a whole nother thing.

I do encourage you guys to go and listen to last night's Nick Fuinte's live stream is on Rumble.

You guys can listen to it in his entirety, and I think you should because Nick fun Tas does an amazing job.

When I say that Nick Puntess is like very well spoken, very well done, he really is.

Yeah, And so if you listen to this, he goes through everything, and there are times in this speech where I'm thinking Nick fountays, although he said that Israel didn't do this, there are sometimes that you think that Israel did absolutely do this because of what he is factually speaking, although he comes back around and says, but here's why they didn't do this right.

So he does a great job.

What we do know for it seems like a fact is that Israel did come through various ways.

Now I even mention the names they offered Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk one hundred and fifty million.

Dollars and what was this offer for?

Well, if if you want to think about Charlie Kirk, he has been on record on some podcasts like Megan Kelly and some others where he has asked questions critical of Israel.

He also had Dave Smith, which is a very critical person of Israel, on and on the stage of Turning Point USA to where he was calling out Israel right there at Turning Point u s stage.

He also asked very tough questions to high level ranking Israelis, including Benjamin that y'all who I believe.

So Charlie Kirk has.

Been calling out a lot of stuff with Israel, which is why many people believe that Israel offered him one hundred and fifty million dollars to say you need to be more pro Israel because this is and I think the one hundred and fifty million dollar offer is actually factual from everything that we've everything, I've researched, everything I've seen, it is factual.

I don't know.

I just know and feel Charlie Kirk's beliefs in for most of the time he was alive, he was.

Pro Israel absolutely, and I'm not disagreeing with that.

And no, now everyone's coming out of the you know, the woodwork saying, oh, well, just last week he was offered all this money or this was happening, or that was happening.

It's just to me, it's.

A way to blame a fraction or a person or a people or a group, to blame them for his assassination where it's clearly not.

Yeah, listen, I do not believe that this assassination was Israel.

Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and tell you guys that one percent.

And do I agree with everything the Israel has done and how they've reacted.

Absolutely not.

I think you all know this.

But do I also agree with the fact that Israel can come offer someone a political figure like Charlie Kirk one hundred and fifty million dollars And I want to make something very clear.

After he turned the one hundred and fifty million dollar offer down, it was about a week later Benjamin att Yah who called him and said, we want you to come to Israel.

We want you to experience Israel.

We want you to go to the wall, just like Marco Rubio just did.

We want you to touch the wall, and we want you to kiss the wall, and we want to take pictures of this and make sure that everyone sees this.

Charlie Kirk denied that offer.

He said, I'm not coming to Israel because what I will say about charl Kirk is although he was a steadfast supporter of Israel, because I think him as a Christian.

Based on Christianity, you don't ever deny anyone.

You don't ever demonize anybody, no matter what it is, just like we shouldn't demonize Muslims, just like we shouldn't demonize Jewish, just like we shouldn't demonize any of these people.

But Charlie Kirk was America first.

That is one of his main messages.

Yes, he was supportive of Israel, and there is a good reason for some of that.

I mean, he was heavily supported by Israel.

Turning point USA was funded a ton of money by Israel, so there were a lot of in a lot of cases, Charlie Kirk was handcuffed to where he couldn't say certain things about Israel because it was heavily funded.

This is all factual.

You can all go through the books of Turning Point USA.

And so when Charlie Kirk started to turning this stuff down, First of all, I don't think that Israel decided.

They wanted to kill him because of this.

But I do say, in think that for sure one hundred and fifty million dollar offer was presented, he did turn it down, and then he also turned down his trip to Israel.

And I think for Charlie that was more based on his America first policy rather than it was a policy of pro Israel.

And by the way, that's not something bad to say.

No, we are Americans.

We are Americans, and we should be about America first.

We should be about it.

We're so sick and tired of everything being blamed on Israel and Israel is these you know right now, everyone thinks, oh, you know, if something happened is Israel.

Israel so powerful and their masade is so powerful, they can do anything in whatever they want to America.

This is the mentality.

And it's a lot on the right too.

Yeah, it is.

And I think there's going to be a turning point with this Israel thing, and I don't know what it's going to be.

Everybody's going to aside from themselves.

It's not something that I'm going to say or share.

He's going to say that's going to convince you either way.

I think that what I will tell you is that you do your own research.

Do not listen to us about this.

Do your own research, and do it in a good way.

Do it in a way that you can factually support what you're actually researching.

And if you come to the conclude on if they come to the conclusion based on facts and based on the things that have happened, then that is what you need to do, and that's what you need to feel and think going forward.

This is not a conspiracy theory.

No, APAK is not a conspiracy theory.

The amount of money that APAC influences our United States government is far beyond any other nation in the world.

It is the only influence that the United States Commary say.

That as long as Charlie kirkis stood for America and America first.

He's always done that, and he's going out.

He's against the wokeness, he's against against the leftness.

Yes, he supported Israel as a Christian most of his time.

Okay, the last couple of weeks, I guess maybe things have come out that he wasn't so pro Israel or whatever, and that doesn't give a reason to blame Israel in this circumstance.

No, I mean, this is an open and shutcase.

Maybe there's no Israel involved in this.

No, I don't in my opinion, I don't think so either.

And I will say this again, I don't think it is Israel either.

For sure.

I'm one of those people.

It's not just gonna go blame Israel.

I think that's ridiculous.

I think it.

Hurts your cause if you blame Israel for anything, This hurts your cause.

And you know, even as we talk to Jason Hanson tonight, you know CIA guy, there are CIA guys that have come out on other podcasts that have went far beyond anything Jason said tonight, whether it be about Israel, whether it be about CI involvement in US Paul or our surveillance or whatever.

I think Jason did a great job talking about you know how much the government has the ability to spy on you, even to the point of, as he said, useful idiot, Let's find a useful idiot.

Yeah, to then go and find let's let's pin this guy, and let's do all of our operation around this, even up into including text messaging people.

That maybe he was involved with whatever.

Do I think this is the case with this guy.

No, I don't, because I think that when you do that, there's going to be things that are left out right.

I don't think in the court of.

It's saying it's not an open and checkcase.

You don't think he was the guy texting is No?

I do, No, I do.

Okay, I do think he is.

I do think he is.

But we just don't know a lot about what he did up until this point.

Now, if his boyfriend, right, if his boyfriend had no idea about this, he was, you know, just like a husband, our wife is actively trying to text someone else in their marriage, right, like cheating on their spouse and trying to hide that.

It almost seems like maybe this is what he was doing about this Charlie Kirk thing.

He was in a group that was radicalizing him.

And I don't know what group this was.

I don't know who sponsored this group or who was a part of this group.

But if you go back to the BLM riots, you go back to Antifa all this stuff where it was highly coordinated.

Just like they fund BLM and Antifa, this is what they do.

They fund it, they organize it, they coordinate it.

This is a thing that happens, and they do it all the time.

Much of the protest that we see on an everyday basis is coordinated and funded in some way, shape or form for a political influence.

And then the mainstream media.

Also then also picks up on this, and in some cases mainstream media is a.

Part of this.

They are a part of the funding of these protests or of these uprisings.

This is what some fact of government or organizations use.

So when you think about Fox News, you think about CNN, you think about MSNBC, who funds these people?

Who coordinates this stuff?

A lot of times people think it's our government is CIA, and it could be for their own specific beliefs, but it could also potentially be outside organizations or people.

There's no question about that.

And you've got to think about who owns just go down the rabbit hole, who owns the organizations, who owns the media companies, who owns all these things?

Obviously they're going to have the massive stake in what it disseminated to you or not.

Just the same way that if you are funded by certain people as a presidential candidate, then your beliefs or your priorities and what you're going to do as president are going to be based on your biggest funders.

That's all goes back to follow the money, and everything is followed the money.

So do I believe this is Israel?

No?

I don't.

Could someone say tomorrow that they have a fact that is that shows Israel?

Yes?

Could they also show a.

Fact that's presented that is a ideological extremism, which is like LGBTQ plus Open Society Foundation George Soros.

Absolutely, I think that's more credible.

I think that's more likely.

And I think that this is something that we've been talking about for years about George Soros and the World Economic Forum and the movement to try to destroy America from within, because what is this going to do?

What is the Charlie Kirk assassination going to benefit the most.

It is going to benefit the world government.

It is going to benefit the advancement of the world government and the division of Americans, which is the sovereign nation of the United States of America.

And at the same time, you have had all of these people come across our borders that does not really give a shit about America.

And so those people are going to be utilized as protesters and they're going to be funded.

You know, you might think, how are these people going to get jobs, especially in an administration to where they're starting to try to take out as many of these people as possible, how are they going to be funded?

Well, until they're taken out of this country, they're going to be funded by organizations like the socialist organizations from George Soris and the Open Society Foundation, and then they are going to be heavily utilized to divide America.

And it's going to make it look like it is half of Americans disagree with a certain thing and the other half agree with.

A certain thing.

Although a lot of those people may not even be Americans, they may not be anybody.

And they're going to have certain people on the news that are political actors or I guess you can say crisis actors.

We've seen this in many cases.

They're going to make sure they utilize.

Mainstream media to make sure that you feel a certain way about a certain thing.

And you know, one of the things I worry about the most, which we're probably going to get into in a future episode, we actually have someone that may come on our podcast very soon.

That's a huge YouTuber.

He's been talking about this a lot.

But I do want to talk about where do we go from here?

And even with the t up administration, you have Pam Bondi coming out now saying that we get to create hate speech laws.

This is literally what the UK said about immigration.

I agree.

And where is the line?

Where do you draw the line as far as hate speech?

Where do you draw the line as far as surveillance?

Where do you draw the line from any of it?

How do you keep us safe and not surveyll us?

Well, I think the biggest thing here is that we just have to be vigilant.

We have to understand that when people are trying to push through laws of hate speech, there's going to be someone that determines what hate speech is.

And whereas right now, if you're if you're a Trump supporter, or you're a cash Betel or Pambondi supporter, maybe that hate speech law goes for your benefit.

Right, Maybe it's like the people on the left.

You want to silence, you want to put in prison, you want to go arrest these people because of what they're saying.

But guess what, once that law has been created, the next person in line is going to be you next.

When you disagree with the Democrat president, when you disagree with the left, when you disagree with whatever it is that you disagree with, you're going to be the one put in prison.

And that's why we have to be very careful about what and how we do yes laws.

From this point, I agree, And I think there is a difference between talking about not liking somebody and talking about like idolizing their murder.

Yeah, I think there is a difference between the two, and we talked about that earlier.

You you can say all day, I don't like Charlie Kirk, and this is why I don't like him.

But when you insinuate violence and you're glad he's dead or you want him dead, or you want somebody else dead, it crosses a line.

Yeah, but they're not think there's already laws in place for inciting violence, terroristic threats.

There's all these laws already created, Like, so.

Where are you going to go beyond that?

The only place you can go beyond that is to say that if you say something we don't agree with because you're on the other side of the political argument, then we can come and arrest you.

That is literally what the UK is dealing with it right now.

We cannot go any further in our laws right now than we already have.

So we have terroistic threats, we have communicating threats.

Like if, for example, you're in your hometown and someone calls you and says I'm gonna come kill you, asshole, or whatever it is, and you have a record and that you have proof of that, you can call your local law enforcement.

They will come and take a report.

Then they will issue a warrant for communicating threats.

That is what a communicating threat warrant is.

That is already a law.

You can talk about inciting.

Violence, but if you say rest in piss instead of rest in peace.

Doesn't matter.

No, absolutely not, absolutely not.

You should be able to say that all day my speech.

Absolutely yes, I agree, and I think even though I don't like to see it or hear it.

I don't think we should stop it because it is like what you're saying.

It's kind of like what happened with everyone was silenced during COVID.

If they didn't like what we were saying, we were silenced.

And I don't think it should happen on either side.

No, I don't either.

And the thing we have to be very weary of right now is that I know that we have a lot of passionate beliefs and thoughts about Charlie Kirk's death, but I can promise you that the number one thing Charlie Kirk would never want is a censorship law that says that you're not allowed to say certain things.

Because even if it is going right now against the left, based on a hate speech law, the left could come in as president and say that what Charlie Kirk has literally built his entire career on was hate speech.

If he talks about LGBTQ, or he talks about trans you know, trans people or whatever, if the Left is in, that would be hate speech and you could be arrested and put in prison.

That is that is where we're at right now.

And I just want everybody to.

Understand that we cannot just get jump on the bandwagon and say, oh yeah, if they say Charlie Kirk, rest and piss or, or maybe even I'm glad that he died, or whatever the case is.

You can't just automatically say well, we should go to rest that person.

That is their freedom of space, eliminated from their job.

Fired, Yeah, fire from their job.

I mean, that's up to the employer.

Whatever you say at any point in time is obviously always subject to the people that are empowering you to do or say or make money, right, I mean, and that was always the excuse with social media, right.

Social media was always like, well, it's a private platform.

So if we don't like what you're saying, yeah, it's the constitution of the United States.

But if we don't like what you're saying, we're going to censor you.

I don't think social media should censor any of that stuff.

Do I think people should be fired from their jobs for their belief on Charlie Kirk.

That's up to the employer.

In reality, But I mean, you know, but then but then you have to hold the employers to the constitutional beliefs.

You have to say that all employers, no matter what, no matter who you are, as long as your employees are following the Constitution, whether it's first and second and third and whatever, fourth, fifth, sixth, seven, eighth Amendment, all the other amendments, you can't fire this person.

Yeah, but I have to say on the benefit of like universities, high schools, you know, just regular schools.

We all are I was one of them at one time, but we all sign contracts to be ethically like clear on social media.

You know, we couldn't even hold an alcoholic beverage in a picture.

Yeah, you know, we signed a contract saying we're not going to put that out there.

Yeah.

So I think that's the reason why they are able to be fired for sure, easier contract because it's and it's an ethical thing.

Yeah, it's a contract.

I mean moral turptitude.

Right, in law enforcement, you have a moral turptitude clause, and they can fire you because of whatever something you did outside of work or inside of work was a moral thing that represents the department in a bad light.

They can fire you for that.

So, yes, you can get fired based on what you say.

Is it still freedom of speech?

Can you still have freedom of speech?

Yes, it's the same thing I say about X and Elon Musk, where you know Elon Musk always says, well, it's freedom of speech, but it's not necessarily freedom of reach.

And I've always just highly debated this.

It's like, Okay, well you can say whatever you want to, but we're going to silence you to the point.

Where you only reach like one hundred people.

Even if you have one hundred thousand followers, we can make it to where you only reach one hundred people.

But as long as you were saying what.

We want you to say, then you can reach fifty one hundred and two hundred and five hundred thousand people.

I don't think that's really freedom of speech though, like when you are when you are penalized for a constitutional right based on either social media or maybe even a job, I don't think that is I don't think that's right.

And just like conservatives did not think that was correct when it was happening to them, we can't swing on the other pendulum and say it's okay for if people say certain things as long as it's not a criminal act or inside in violence.

We shouldn't pendulum swing on the other side and say Oh, it's fine on this side, but it's not fine if we do it.

And that's my point.

And you know, there were people that were heavily invested in George Floyd.

You know, I could say a lot of stuff about George Floyd.

There was a lot of also people that got fired on the right because of their comments on George Floyd, and the left celebrated it.

But now when it's happening to the.

Left, they don't celebrate it anymore.

Now they're really pissed.

And it's something that we've said like four years ago.

Anything you're cheering on right now about what your government is doing to the right eventually will happen to you.

And it's the exact same way that we're saying that if Pambondy or ca Ash Mantel or whoever is coming on here and they're saying that, hey, we have to create hate speech laws.

We got to create all these laws to make sure that no one says anything bad about this side of the fence that laws created.

And then if you have someone on the other side of the fence that comes in and maybe they're a dictator, maybe they're the worst president you ever have.

Guess what you already have that law now, so they can come and arrest you and put you in prison for talking bad about your president, our most foundational core belief.

There's a reason why the First Amendment is the number one.

There's a reason second Amendment is also a huge reason because it protects us from tyranny.

It protects us from the government coming and destroying and killing us and being tyrannical.

But the First Amendment is the most important, and that's why I think that Elon Musk has heavily talked about the First Amendment.

That's why he spent forty four billion dollars.

Although I don't agree with how the algorithm works on X, but the First Amendment is the first ament for a reason.

Founding fathers, the people that created the Constitution of America did not just think about what is the most important thing which should be number one?

Well, that's the first Amendment.

That's freedom of speech, that's freedom of saying what you want to say as long as it is not inside in violence.

What is number two?

Well?

Number do we get what is inciting violence and what is not?

Where is the boundary.

Inside in violence?

In my opinion, would be saying that I want to go kill someone or I think someone should go and do this, right, that is like almost a plan that they are that they're talking about.

But if you like, if someone, I mean hell, say that you're in North Korea and Kim Jong un got assassinated and you, as a people that were oppressed for so long, Right, if you, as a people that were pressed for so long, start to celebrate and then you were all sent off to prison because you celebrated how tyrannical and dictatorship that this government was, how heinous this person was.

If you sell celebrate it, that's not a law.

That's not something that you should be arrested for.

I mean, it sucks if you're on the other side of that.

You know, if you know, if you love Charlie Kirk, if you love all these people, it sucks.

You don't want you don't want people to celebrate that.

But you know what the biggest challenge of the First Amendment is the speech that you do not agree with, right.

And you know, it's it's easy to hear and look at and hear and read speech that you agree with.

That's easy, Right.

The speech that you.

Don't agree with is what's going to be what gets us forward.

I mean, however that is and you know, do I say, like, yes, if you're in if you're in some group like Telegram or Discorder, whoever, and you're planning an assassination, or if you say that I'm going to go kill this person and you're on one of these apps, then yes.

That is a law you're breaking.

You are literally threatening someone.

That is that at the very least a local level is communicating threats, but typically politically that is a that is a terroristic threat.

So you should be at least investigated and number two probably arrested, and you know, and then they should start researching this.

As you already heard Jason Hansen say, the government hears and knows everything you say.

There's a reason why this.

The former CIA guy, Jason Hansen, which is one of the most ford facing CIA guys in the history of the CIA, which is who we just had on, says that when I go in any type of meeting or I go anywhere I don't want someone to hear me, I leave my phone, I leave everything that could possibly hear me away.

From where I'm at.

I don't have an Amazon Alexa, which is why I literally threw it fifty feet up in the air and it crashed on earth.

Yeah, but we still have a firestick TV, so.

Yeah we do.

I'm going to go break those now.

Oh you are not doing that.

I like that fire But what I'm saying is is that we.

It's just a strange world we live in and the reality of this is and we're probably going to have to get in a whole nother episode about this soon and I hope that we have heavy Dead Country on sin, but we have to think about Like, I understand that you want to say what you want to say, and we should always value freedom of speech.

But there is something that is happening in America.

First of all, after Charlie Kirk's death.

I don't think we're ever ever as a nation going to return previous to Charlie Kirk's assassination.

I think we are a new nation.

I think we are a new people.

I think that we're never ever going to go back to what that was, very similarly to how we as a nation and also a world, are never going to go pre COVID ever.

Again, we have forever been changed, whether you realize it or not, and I think most of you do realize that you just may not realize in all the aspects of how we're changed and how we're different.

But pre COVID, we were much different, even going back to the nineties.

I talk to people about this all day, like all the time, even pre social media, Like, pre social media was amazing.

It was like to me, that was life, that was what life I think should be.

And then you have social media.

We didn't realize what the threats and the dangers were of social media until we really got into the deep dark weeds of social media.

And I think we're starting to see a lot of that.

We're never going to go back beyond that again.

And so now that we have all these things, just like COVID, just like people for JFKA, see why.

Schools are trying to get phones out of the schools now and not allowing kids to be on their phones during school.

Yeah, that's not going to help though, I mean it may help, but it may help at least try to get them locked in on whatever.

But we I think we're all like an eighty D society.

Oh yeah, I mean I watched my phone all day.

Yeah.

I just think that we're never going to return from the Charlie kirk assassination and if Charlie Kirk was watching and looking down right now, and I hope he is.

I hope he can see what is happening in this world because of him.

So anyways, that's gonna do it.

I just wanted to touch on that we have a special guest coming on hopefully this week.

We'll let you guys know, and it'll probably be the next couple of days.

It's been a tough week.

It's been a tough couple of weeks for us for sure, and I know it has been for you guys.

It's not just us, is I think you as well.

I think when you saw those videos, you.

Really took that in.

That's something that is going to be very hard for you to get over, and maybe you never do.

You know, there are people that there are people that are in law enforcement and firefighting and ems and all these various factions that they see certain things throughout their career that they never get over.

It changes them forever.

And unfortunately, I mean, we saw what happened to JFK that was on like a kind of a grainy video, the Zueberuter film and all that, it still wasn't as graphic as what we saw with Charlie Kirk, and I don't think that a lot of people are going to be able to get over this, but that's also, I think a blessing in disguise.

I think that at the very least, I don't think Charlie Kirk felt anything.

I felt like that God is going to use his death for his own glory.

And I think that's something that Charlie Kirk would preach even right now, if he could come back and tell you, guys, something would be that that.

Regardless it wasn't God that did this, but He's definitely not going to let his death go to waste.

And I think that we're seeing this all around the world.

And the reason why I'm going to close this episode with For the Good by joy Spring is because For the Good just talks about, and we've played this on the other episodes.

It talks about you may not necessarily understand why something happened, why you're going through this hard time, why you're going through hell, why you just lost someone, why whatever whatever whatever it is you're going through, why it is that you're going through it.

But God, God always has a plan and it's all for the good and whether you realize it or not, you just got to trust in that plan.

And as horrific as Charlie Kirk's death was, I think we just have to understand that it's not.

Charlie Kirk is not suffering, and instead he is inspiring millions and millions of people around the world to be better people at the.

Very least, and to turn to God.

There are baptisms and savings all around the world right now.

And if anything.

Charlie Kirk ever worked for, his fruits of his labor are finally coming true, beyond.

What he ever thought he could accomplish on Earth.

Guys, the next time, we'd love you.

Thank you Jason for coming on piece.

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