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De mean I are all geared up for our Friday roundup and we have well a lot of things we're going to try to cover in a relatively short space of time.

We're going to talk about the shooting at Brown University and the suspect and the strangeness of that situation.

The Vanity Fair article on the Trump team, including Susie Wilds, Bondai Beach I hear it's Bondai not Bondi Venezuela a an article in CNN about Trump taking away First Amendment rights, and a very strange story about a camel in a megachurch, which we'll get to perhaps at the end, but we'll start on a somber note.

And yesterday I expressed some confusion and consternation over this bizarre case at Brown University.

We seem to know more, but were no less bewildered at the end of it.

Right, what do you make of this strange development?

Supposedly they identify the guy, the suspect, and then they go, he's dead.

He shot himself.

He's they found him in some kind of a warehouse.

And he's this guy, this Portuguese guy with a long Portuguese name.

And what we know, or what we seem to know, is that he went to school with the MIT professor who was also killed.

Apparently the two shootings are now being linked.

But the the other thing was that he attended Brown.

But it was in the early two thousands for a short time I believed, like a year, and he perhaps sat in that very classroom.

But what sense can you make of it?

I really can't make any sense out of it.

We tried looking for a motive and we're like, could they have been lovers?

But then, okay, Ken, it would be an isolated inserne exactly.

And then why didn't he go to Mit?

Why did he go to Brown?

You know what I mean?

It was very strange.

But the one thing that I read, I think it was this morning, was that, you know, remember how we were trying to figure out what those words were that he said, and we're like, you know, did he say allah?

Who walk bar?

You know?

No?

Somebody said he barked like a dog.

Really, that's what I heard.

I did not see that.

Yeah, And I was like, Okay, it just gets weirder by the minute.

You know, I've been all week talking about life after death, and one of the questions I've been talking about is this whole issue that our actions can be explained not by free will but by the physical state of the neurons in our brain.

Right, And all of this flashed before my mind when you said, what's the motive?

Because as human beings, whenever we talk about anything, we cannot understand it human behavior outside of intentionality.

And if someone were to say, well, of course he committed these murders, this guy, he obviously had the appropriate brain state, and no further explanation is needed because essentially the anatomical shape of his mind and brain made him do it, and his intentions don't enter into it.

You'd be like, what kind of gobbledegoog is that?

What kind of madness?

What kind of inexplicable irrational account?

So my point being that human beings that were intentional animals, we act for motives, and very often the first thing you do if you're on a jury or you're examining a crime is you're like, if you're saying this guy did it?

Why do you do it?

Why did he do it?

Especially, it's especially interesting when we see a case like on forty eight Hours or one of those shows where the husband kills a wife and there's no motive, like there, you know, no one's having an affair, there's no the money insurance involved.

It's like, wait, he couldn't have done it, because he had to have had a motive to do it, right, right.

I think in those cases it's not that there isn't a motive, it's the motive is opaque.

In other words, the show it is not able to ferret out what was the internal dynamics of that situation that might have produced that.

So I think those are cases where it's not that there isn't a motive, we're just unaware of what that of that what that motive is.

So in any case, it looks like this sad chapter will be closed.

And I was making the point to you just a couple of hours ago that how sad for the victims.

You know, you're like, what explanation is there for why my daughter was the vice president of College Republicans she died and it turns out this weird guy for no apparent reason.

I mean, strange, could it even be?

Does it make any sense to say that?

Okay, I'm off my rocker.

So I'm going to now think about a classroom that I was sitting in twenty five years ago, and for that reason, I'm going to go to that classroom.

I must say, that's a part of me that doesn't even buy it.

I mean, I'll accept it if that's if that is what it is, and that's all there is to know about it.

But like your your good sense, your your demand for the rest of the story, like rebels against it.

You're like, you're not satisfied with this account, and yet sometimes that's all you get.

All right, let's talk about Vanity Fair and this portrait of a lighthouse and focused on Susie Wilds, who apparently did a series of interviews with Manny Fair.

Good question about whether this is even you know, worth doing.

But when I mentioned to you, she were like, well, did as you gave interviews to Madny Fair during the time of your campaign finance case, which I did.

Yes, you did, and you were very excited because they were like yeah, you're yeah, They're going to come to the house to do a photo shoot.

And you were getting all dulled up for this photo shoot, and I was like, well, and then you even said, oh yeah.

The woman that interviewed you felt really bad.

She went to the facility where you had you your overnight confinement and she was like, oh, this is so horrible.

Well, let me give you the basis for me saying those things.

So the longtime editor of The New Republic in the eighties and nineties was a guy named Marty Perretz.

He was a Harvard professor and a very smart guy.

And I had sent him a Liberal Education and he loved it, and he did a blurb for it in the back of the book.

And I saw him subsequently at various events and he was like, oh, manness, she was so eloquent.

So I knew that he, even though at liberal by the way, was a fan of my work.

So the reporter was his daughter, a Genia parents and she told me, She's like, I went to my dad and I told him, what do you make of Danesh?

And she said, my dad told me he's a good guy.

Treat him fairly, you know.

And so she told me all this and I was like, okay, well, look, agenya is a liberal.

She is going to give it a liberal spin, but I think she will not do the kind of vicious mirror that Vanity Fair is actually known for.

So I knew the reputation of Vanity Fair.

And and then of course, remember we got to know the guy who did the photo shoot.

Yeah, and not only easy a famous like LA photographer, but he's actually conservative.

Yeah, and he made me look really good in those photos.

They were amazing photos.

Yeah, we have we have one or two frame oh.

Yeah, yeah.

But I didn't think the article was fair.

The article was not fair.

So Vanity not so fair.

Yeah.

Well, the thing is also what our expectations are.

I expected a somewhat negative article, and so it was negative, but it wasn't.

It wasn't the kind of smear that we've seen Vanity Fair do.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, I mean look recently, Vanity Fair did this with Susie Wells, and I believe that they that their main goal was to make the Trump administration look as crazy and as silly as possible, and so you know, they wanted to get all these people in there.

You know, I guess it was JD.

Vance.

Did they interview JD?

No?

But they what they did was they got Susie Wilds, and she said some negative things about other people, but I think the one on JD was the most damaging, where she basically goes he's been a conspiracy theorist for ten years, which is a kind of a degrading thing to say about the vice president.

Now, she might say I said it in a funny way, or I didn't mean it.

Well, she did say that they took a lot of things out of context, which they're known to do to me too.

In fact, that should be expected because the way these guys work is also, why.

Do you why do other conservatives even bother going on that magazine if it's going to be a hit job.

Well, I think the situation now is different than it was even ten years ago, which is about when I did it, right, my case was in twenty thirteen.

I think I did that article twenty fourteen or fifteen.

Okay, so in twenty fourteen, the liberal media reigned.

They control the discourse, and so here was the point.

They're gonna smear you anyway, So either they near you straight out, or they have quotes from you in which you point out some counterpoints.

But see that has a risk because then it sounds like you cooperated against.

So I suppose a prudent thing to do is just not to comment, right.

But a lot of US conservatives were in this awkward position of trying to do a certain amount of damage control by giving quote the other side.

That's how the liberal would play on it.

Hey, we want to hear your side right now.

I don't think that that situation applies now.

There's no reason for if the Trump people were like, this is going to be a negative article.

They're going to take stuff out of context.

You don't need it, you don't need their audience.

Nobody cares who Vanity Fair audience is not going to vote for Trump, and they're not going to vote for Republicans.

Yeah, so why did they do it?

Well, I'm just thinking that there are two possibilities.

I mean, one is, as you know, a lot of these Trump people, Trump included, are obsessed with popular culture, and Vanity Fair has been that iconic magazine of popular culture.

So I think they look at Vanity Fair different than the New York Times.

Vanity Fair then belongs more with like Conan O'Brien and the Hollyween.

It is the same ideologic same, not only one of the same.

It's even worse in some ways because these entertainment writers are completely unhinged from political reality.

Even the New York Times has got to stay somewhat like anchored or tethered to political reality.

These people really don't.

They say whatever they want.

So yes, I'm not surprised that they did an attack.

And also their idea of fact checking is not a context or overall veracity.

They're like, if the quotes match the things you said, the article has been fact checked, and we're all good to go, right, Whereas you and I know and everybody knows, you can take a handful of accurate quotes, embed them in a context and completely completely distorting a misleading.

So I think in this case, you get what you signed up for.

You know, you do these interviews, you're going to get a smear.

You should expect a smear.

You cannot play dumb or play naive afterward to go, oh they smeared me.

No, you should expect it, or just not do it, or.

Just or just not not do it.

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We're going to travel well intellectually to Australia and Bondi Bondai Beach.

I've been saying Bondi Beach, but I guess it is Bondai Beach.

We were in Sydney, but we didn't make it to Bondai Beach and it's apparently a very partying place.

We probably missed out.

We missed out a lot.

We probably could have.

You know how much we loved a party.

Well, we probably could have drunk those tall beer things that are like a foot high that the Australians love.

Australians love beer.

They they love beer.

Beer is their thing.

Beer and the barbecue is But.

Their food is so delicious.

I don't know why they eat that stuff.

Why don't they just eat the normal stuff.

They like the shrimp on the barbie, they like the they like the cookout idea.

I think it's because they're outdoor, a little bit like Texas.

You know, it's a lot like Texas.

Actually, you know a lot and the people, some of the people are very.

Much for We met sort of blue collary guys in Australia and we were almost thunderstruck at how they resembled the rural Texan.

Yeah.

They they were almost the same.

Yeah, well we're getting off track a little bit.

Okay, back to so talk about this is the let's talk about the terror.

Yeah, you've got you've got a father and son duo.

Yes, evidently did you tell me Afghans?

They are I don't know if they were Afghan but they were definitely linked to ISIS.

They had an ISIS flag in their car.

Oh yeah, so these are real, real terrorists, terrists.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And what they do is they go up on the bridge, they just open fire.

Yeah.

And you know, even though it seems I shouldn't say only ten, but Australia is a small country.

Yeah, it's what twenty five.

Million has like thirty million people the.

Whole country, So it's one tenth.

Yeah, it's the size of the United States with the population of Texas.

Right, And so the way I think about it is, I do the math, right, if we have twelve times the population of Australia.

You've got to take let's say ten people multiply by twelve.

It's kind of like one hundred and twenty people in America being killed, which would cause an incredible fire star incredible.

Yeah, and so Australia is really In fact, we were communicating with our friend in Australia who brought us over for the lecture tour with Talker a year or so, a year and a half now, I guess ago and he was like, I can't think of anything else right now except Wanda, because it has it has burned itself into the psyche of the Australian.

Yes, I think the Australians you made an observation about them.

They're sort of living in the nineteen eighties.

They are, so they're in a little more innocent frame of mind than even America.

Yes, we've gone through a lot of political trauma.

We've had police date, we've had Obama, we've had nine to eleven.

I think the average American is more jaded.

They had a terrorist attack in nineteen ninety six, I believe in Australia.

Australia did that was before this one, the worst that they had.

So it's been a long time.

But also Australians are very very nice people, and even the go of Australia, I don't think.

I don't think there is far off the you know, the spectrum.

Like we are very polarized, They're somewhat polarized, but I don't think they're as polarized as we are today in America.

No, the debate there and we've seen, we've been close up and been able to see a fair amount of it.

It does resemble the debate in America like circa nineteen ninety seven.

Yeah, it's kind of the way we talked about Clinton.

I mean, it was harsh, but it didn't have the the bitterness, yeah, the very sort of acrid edge that today's discourse has in America.

And so the Prime Minister, by the way, is a leftist, albun Asy.

I was hearing him talk about this and he was basically I don't think he was actually acting shocked.

He was genuinely shocked and he's like, there's no place for this in Australia.

But again, the only way he could understand it was we have a lot of we have some extremist tendencies in our society, and for him the extremist tendencies were not appointing to radical Islam.

They're like, we've got some extremist tendencies in various pockets of society.

We need to clamp down.

I think this is this is a kind of the Achilles Heel of the West, because the West does not understand Islam, period, even in America.

Even in America, you remember that case Washington versus Ali and Ali and the verdict there was was a verdict of like, well, you know, he in.

What the case was.

It was apparently an attempted honor where a father was trying to choke his daughter.

It was ultimately pulled away from her, but not because he had second thoughts.

He was trying to go ahead, right, and the mom was at least okay with it, if not in on it.

And they were tried and for the jury and even for the judge, I think the old case was, well, this is like domestic violence.

This is sort of like a like a parent who applies too much discipline to a child.

And your point is what my point is, that is not the that that is not the motive behind this.

That's not what's going on.

That's not what's going on.

And if Americans don't understand Islam and don't understand the well the Qoran and what it says and and what they believe, then we're gonna naively always do this kind of thing.

We're never going to really get to the root of the problem.

And we you know, we've had terrorist attacks.

I mean, we had one in in New Orleans.

How long ago is that where where the guy drove his truck and killed a bunch of people and he was screaming all a laha wakbar there.

That was a terrorist attack.

Uh.

And of course most recently we had that the two uh uh.

Covered Washington, Washington d two guys ago into this embassy.

National Guard guy.

There are so many incidents like them apart.

The Free Palestine guy was not Islamic.

He was Hispanic, but he was he was deranged and he believed that, you know, Palestine the whole that whole thing, right, So he was a leftist.

He was a leftist.

But but but but I would you know, while he wasn't Islamic, because of the Red Green Alliance.

Yes, this ideology, the Islamic ideology permea leads into the left and so you have non Muslims who accept at least some of it.

Yeah.

Well, and then and that's just it.

We have to we have to understand Islam.

We have to understand why some people that are Islamic Muslim do what they do and believe what they believe.

I mean, we've seen articles in America where someone shouts a lahu akbar, then performs an act of terrorism with a knife or with a gun, and the headline is man killed another man.

Motive unknown, because I think from the journalist point of view, and maybe they're just being openly deceptive.

But the other possibility is that they are, like, just because he shouted a lot huakbar, doesn't tell you what his motive is, even though of course it does.

Does it could make it for clear.

Yeah, it's almost like advertising his motive.

And then you've got these journalists who refuse to believe what people are even saying.

Yeah, right, so all right, let's move on to we have the subject of Trump's tweet, and it's part of the larger subject of the you know, the very sad, tragic murder of Rob Reiner and his wife by their wayward and evidently deeply disturbed son, and now Trump in classic Trumpian fashion.

He didn't have to go there, but he goes there, and he kind of, I would say, makes it about himself.

He shouldn't gone there.

Yeah, he correctly points out that Rob Reiner suffered from major ted Yeah, but I.

Don't think that was the time or the place to say that.

I really don't because why because well, first of all, this man was brutally murdered by his deranged son and his wife.

They were killed in a horrible, horrible way.

And by the way, when when Charlie Kirk was shot, Rob Reiner actually stood up for Charlie Kirk.

I mean, he didn't.

Say a very He made a video that was actually a little out of step with liberal jubilation the incident.

Rue.

So so he you know so, And from from what I hear, he seemed to be a nice person.

Besides the Trump derangement syndrome thing that he had going on, he seemed to be a nice person.

But like, like I said, like I told you yesterday, I don't care when somebody dies and they're you know, left right Democrats, Republican whatever, and they're killed with such brutality by their own child, I like I ache for them, like I don't care what they are or did or whatever.

The saying, you have a human being, and you have a father and a mother who obviously knew that they had a disturbed kid.

They were trying to do their best to keep the kid in line.

They trusted him to the degree that they obviously let him in.

And we even talked about they were older parents because because he was thirty two years old and they were in their seventies.

Yeah, wasn't he you know, he was seventy eight, Yeah, but the it doesn't matter the man.

Yeah, but she was seventy, so she was an older mother.

She met her kids in her forties, right, so you know they yes, they were very wealthy, and they probably spoiled their kids like any other parent that has money spoils their kid, you know.

And so so part of it is the very twisted lifestyles of Hollywood.

And so you have deadbeats galore, you know, playboys galore.

Some people would say pedophiles glory.

I don't know that for a fact, but you certainly have a lot of twisted behavior.

And now it doesn't look like Rob Reiner or his wife were themselves part of any of that, but they were probably surrounded by it.

They were probably fairly accepting of it, and they probably tolerated a fair amount of it in their son.

So but you're saying even so, even.

So, but so back to his tweet, I think he could have just said, even though Rob Reiner and I didn't see I, even though he hated my guts, I'm really sorry that that they went down this way.

You know, period ended boom right there?

Yeah, that well.

I mean we often say that you are a traditional Republican, and that is in fact the traditional Republican reaction.

I'm a Christian.

Yeah, No, I know.

I'm not saying you're wrong.

I'm not saying you're wrong about it.

I think that even some of the Trump defenders, and I saw some of them, were like, Okay, this may not have been the best tweed, but guess what, we're not gonna get We're not gonna get into a pretzel trying to apologize for it.

We're just gonna let it go.

Given that Trump does this stuff, and not only that, it's it's kind of pointless to try to reform me.

You get it, I get it.

You can't.

And a lot of people are like, who does his social media Why didn't they stop him?

Why did they.

Let him do it?

And I'm like, you don't know Trump, you don't.

Know, right, he is in fact the author of this, and no one is gonna say you can't do that.

No, I mean, I think this is what's interesting is that in the this is a way in which I think a small way, but a significant way in which the second Trump term is different than the first.

In the first Trump term, there were people who tried, they kept trying to corral Trump, which I think in general is a bad idea.

In fact, I think one of the reasons Trump likes Susie Wilds and he's he defended Susie Wilds and after the Vanity Fair in an interview I Susie was even says in the article, if I disagree with Trump, he wins.

Meaning my job is too, in the very positive sense of the term, be an enabler.

I have to My job as chief of staff is to enable the president to do his thing, which is actually true.

I mean, there's something unhealthy if you have a group of staffers who go My job is to constrain the president in what he wants to do and make him do what I want to do because that I mean that right there is a little problematic from the democratic framework.

We elected Trump not you.

Well that and that's also what happened with with Biden.

With Biden, it's just taken to a.

To a unbelievable level.

They were controlling Biden.

Hey, by the way, did you hear this is not on our list?

But I think it's well worth mentioning.

Biden is apparently having major problems raising money for his presidential library.

He set a goal of like one hundred or two hundred million dollars.

By the way, Obahama's raised like six times that or five times that, and Biden is like at eleven million right now.

So my suggestion was that you skip goss aside the idea of the library and just have a large symbolic auto pen.

It is made out of hard plastic like a real pen.

And that's the that's the Biden legacy right there.

Yeah, resident autop.

How do you do a library with a man that was absent for years?

You know, I know, maybe maybe Biden's mind could be represented by an empty.

Room that would be an eleven million dollar big room.

Well I mean about that is it doesn't cost much right, there's nothing in the room.

It's just vacant.

Yeah, it says you know, it says Biden wrote a presidential library, and you're like, oh, you walk in and it's an empty room.

And not only that, but remember those old joke books that you could buy.

This now goes back to like the nineties.

You could buy one of these books, like important Thoughts from President Clinton, and then you realize the whole book is empty.

There are no important thoughts.

This applies quite literally to Biden.

You know, this is the Biden record of what Biden, a chronicle of the things that Biden himself.

Do you think Biden is actually the one pushing for this library?

Do you think it's doctor Jill Biden?

Oh yeah, I'm sure it's the people around Biden.

I don't think Biden.

I don't think he cares.

He probably doesn't even know he's not president anymore.

Right.

Remember Trump's idea from a few years ago, which is do or was this our idea?

Sometimes I forget what the genesis of these ideas are, but the idea was, even when Biden was president, remove him from the White House, relocate him to a replica of the White House, where he can honestly believe he is the president.

People come in and bring him documents to sign.

It's all a charade.

He's not signing any real documents.

I think that's what actually happened.

That that's the actual record of the four years.

I think.

So, yeah, it's going to be really.

You remember it was the auto pen that did most of the signing.

I don't know if we will be there to see it, but historians are going to look back on this presidency and they're going to wonder what really happened.

I mean, we were there, so we kind of know what happened, but they're going to scratch their heads and go, was it really the case the country was governed by a non compost mentis not all there?

I mean, this is like the plot of being there right where you have a guy chance the gardener.

I guess he was called Peter Sellers and we lived through that.

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Let's talk about the cee An article because we're kind of on that topic.

And then can I have real quick Yeah, the article's right here.

It made me so incredibly mad.

Trump tests the First Amendment a timeline I've already chuggled in.

I mean, it isn't you just read the read a little bit because because you want people to get a direct feel for the underlying like preposterous arrogance of this.

Yeah.

Within weeks of retaking the White House, President Donald Trump boasted that he had brought free speech back to America.

But since then, he has tested the limits of the First Amendment time and time again, joaking alarm among civil rights experts and his critics.

The First Amendment protects the freedom of religion, speech, and press, the right to peacefully assembly, peaceful assembly, the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

It also bars the government from enacting laws that prevent the free exercise of these rights.

Nonetheless, nonetheless, nonethe less through executive orders, lawsuits, and truth social posts.

The Trump administration has gone after protesters, universities, news organizations, law firms, and speakers it doesn't agree with.

And I was like, where were they not just for the last four years of Biden, but the previous for the previous eight years of Obama, Like, why weren't they saying this then?

Because I tell you what, I saw more people go to jail for what you know, because they didn't believe in what the government was touting in these in those I guess twelve years.

Yeight.

So this is all I think about it, which is that it's very natural for us to draw out these double standards, right, And we draw out the double standards to expose the fact that they are seemingly blind to the greater violations on their own side, while they passionately highlight the much more minuscule violations from our side.

Right.

But here's my point.

I think that their true position, which they never state, is in fact different than this.

Their true position is that censorship should be allowed when they do it, and not allowed when we do it.

They can shut down their opponents, but we can't.

They can stack the court, but we must not.

If they find that there's a dangerous Republican like Trump running for office.

They it's okay for them to try to find some pretext and lock him up, whereas if we were to do that, that would be so.

So the way they think about all this is their side, good are side evil.

So whatever evil people are doing should be condemned, whatever the good people are doing should always be excused because they're doing it in the name of some good.

Why are they locking up Trump because he's a bad guy.

He would ruin the country, and so of course you want to lock him up to make the country better.

So that's their real position.

So in some ways, for us to highlight these double standards doesn't really get to them because they don't believe in a single standard.

They don't believe in applying even standards to everybody.

They don't believe all men are created equal.

They believe that your camp is the bad team and art camp is a good team.

So we should be able to get away with it, and you should be held accountable, regardless of how minuscule your infractions.

And they own the megaphones of information.

So when you have an entity that owns the megaphones of information, the information that comes out of those entities is always going to be that side, and it's always going to say we're the bad guys, even though that's we know that's not the truth.

We know which side is actually evil and which side actually isn't evil.

But because they own the megaphones of information, we're kind of at a standstill.

Well, you have two camps on their side.

On the one hand, you have you would call it the manufacturers of the lie, and that's the people who write these articles.

That's Jake Tapper, that's the editors of the New York Times.

These people actually they know the facts of the matter, but they're going to selectively portray a very twisted and spun narrative.

Now you have the rank and file Democrat who is in a different position, right because that guy doesn't that guy honestly doesn't know what the Democrats did in comparison to Trump.

In fact, that guy has been a consumer of CNN and all the other different NPR and New York Times, Boston Globe, Washington Post.

So if you stop that guy on the street, he'll be like, oh, no, we weren't censoring anybody.

What are you even talking about?

And then if you say, well, what about all the censorship on Twitter, He'll say, well, those are private platforms.

Yeah, yeah, what about all the people that went to jail.

Or were well, weren't they trying to throw the government?

So in other words, these are people who will spin back.

Can we do a movie called police state?

We did during what was a police state?

I mean, right?

And and in fairness, we could not make that movie about the Trump administration.

And even the examples you just gave things like his truth social posts, Well, how does that how does that undermine anybody?

Right?

Yeah?

And this is what I got really mad when I read this, because I was like, where were they when they were shutting us up when we said the election was stolen?

We were we were being deep platformed everywhere we couldn't say that.

I mean, they were locking up pro lifers.

First speech, What I think Bevelyn Beatty was doing if not free speech, and yet she gets prosecuted under the Face Act.

Yeah, so they what they do is they redescribed the free speech.

She was really loud, she was in the wrong place, she was standing behind the door.

So we're not prosecuting her for a speech or prosecuting her for her quote interference.

But where's the interference?

What what did she do?

They made it up?

They made they.

Made they make everything up.

And then not only that, but they it's it's like they're the biggest gas lighters on the planet.

Not only do they do they say things like their unsubstantiated claim of voter fraud, you know, like they already have established that it's not that it didn't happen.

And I mean, look at how they're trying to destroy you on two thousand about two thousand mules.

Well, this came up in my debate with this Destiny guy in Washington, DC, Steve Bonnell.

And when two thousand mules came up, so I said to him, I go, well, do you accept the reliability of cell phone GEO tracking?

He goes, yeah, I do.

And then I said, can you give me a reason why someone would want to go to ten or more drop boxes in the election season?

Even in the case so we are dropping off, let's say some ballots for family members, you'd go to one box and put all the ballots in.

Why would you go to multiple boxes and let alone ten?

And this Bonnell guy goes, well, are you talking about over like a thirty day period or a sixty day period, and I go yeah, and he goes, well, I can think of lots of good reasons, and I go, well, name one.

And so apparently this guy didn't know that a mail in dropbox is not a mailbox because he thought, well, some old guy goes and males' his utility bill and then he goes back in to another box and mails as rent Jack.

I know these were only for right.

So when I point this out, I could see the panic in his eyes because essentially it was like, oh, I didn't realize that these boxes are not for normal mail.

They're only for ballots.

And look, even if you let's say you don't have the geo tracking, but you have the videos, right, we know for a fact that these people that were in those videos that had stacks of ballots right, multiple places, right, because the video showed them in multiple places putting in all these ballots.

You know that's not legal.

Let's put it in right.

Well, let's say at the very least, this like screams for for their investigation.

Yeah, And that to me is the is the reason that I am so upset because nothing was followed up.

Nothing was nothing was followed up.

I do think that the geo tracking is very damning on its own because I mean, we know that look at these cases we've been even talking about, how do you think they're tracking these people?

If not through cell phones?

Well they did that with January six ers.

And they did it with you know, what's his name, Coburger in the Idaho case.

Geotracking is has now become the routine, If not they preferred way to monitor people's movements.

Yeah, right, and it's considered maybe not infallible, but it's not infallible because it could be my phone and you could have my phone, but the movement of the phone itself is not open to dispute.

That's right.

All right.

Yeah, let's talk about Venezuela.

Venezuela, and let me ask you this.

Do you think you know you have You have certainly lived the ten or eleven years we've known each other in eager anticipation of what seems to be happening.

Now do you think it's going to happen?

I pray it does.

Yeah, yeah, because it's it's it's now.

Or never, it is now or ever.

You know.

I was, I must confess I was a little disheartened when Israel was on the verge of knocking out the Mallahs in Iran, and I'm sure there were a lot of Iranians who were like, Oh my gosh, it's coming, it's coming, it's here.

Oh oh, And then it's almost like at the last minute.

It happened.

Also with Saddam Lussein, if you remember, they chase him back to this is by the way in the first Gulf War, and then they let him go.

Yeah, they let it be.

And similarly here and yeah.

But you know, when it comes to regime changes, and I've told you this before, I'm not in favor of regime changes when it's in Islamic country because it happens.

It so happens that usually it's.

Worse case in point in Syria, yes.

Usually cast in point Iraq.

You know.

So Adam was at the very look at look.

At uh what was the guy's name, Kadafi Libya and Libya.

I mean, look what happened there.

So what I mean is sometimes bad is better than the worst.

You know.

That's the that's the that's the rule that Jimmy Carter flagrantly ignored when he essentially helped to destabilize the Shah and Carter's point of the Shaw is a bad guy.

Well, that's debatable, but let's say, let's concede the premise was indisputably much much.

Worse, much worse.

Yeah.

So, but in Venezuela, because it's not an Islamic country, it is a narco terrrist.

It's a narco terrorist situation here, and this man is vile, vile.

He has not only has he done horrific things to his own people, but he's also a kind of an enabler of cartels.

You know, even even you know, drugs that are coming into America.

What about all the criminals that came during the Biden administration, and because he let them go, he let he actually enabled them to come to America.

He's done a lot of really bad things.

And Venezuela is a very good country to have as an ally because of their natural resources and also just because of the landing pad situation, right we.

It's kind of part of the Monroe Doctrine backyard.

Yeah, And I want to mention the fact that you know, I'm thinking of the Javier Malay map where he shows that the southern part of the continent has all gone conservative.

Yes, and it's now encroaching on the northern part of the continent, which by the way, includes Brazil, it also includes Venezuela.

Yeah, so it would be very nice to start seeing the northern part of the continent also going in the Maga direction.

It would it would be a dream serious, a dream come true.

I mean really, I can't even tell you.

But we'll see.

Right, we're going to talk about the Trump Kennedy Center.

Well do you want to talk about that because we also have the camel coming up.

Well, let's do the Trump Kennedy Center briefly and then we'll do the camera.

So the Trump Kennedy Center is hilarious because that is one of Trump's greatest trolls, Trollax.

Kennedy Center.

No, it's funny because I heard his speech at the dinner, the Kennedy Center Honors dinner.

I was watching it the other night.

Yeah, and he said that, but as a kind of a Freudian slip, he goes and the Trump I mean the Kennedy you know, And so I kind of because everybody chuckled.

I kind of thought, I bet you he's going to want to change the name, you thought, Yeah, but he's put in a lot of his own money to fix this center, his own money, not taxpayer money, but his own.

So you know it is fitting whenever you know a donor gives a wing to a hospital, right, get their name on the on the wings.

Right, So why not Trump?

Uh?

In fact, I would go further and I would just say call it the Trump Center.

Forget about the Kennedy.

Twenty twenty five.

It's the Kennedy Center.

Twenty twenty six, It's the Trump Kennedy Center twenty twenty seven, It's the Trump Center.

Kennedy disappears.

Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, all right, talk about the Can we have the little art?

I gotta give you the article here.

This is something that you found.

Oh and you were laughing about well, I mean laughing and chuckling about it.

I want to apologize because, as you know, I am a little Mamby Pamby and so I don't like making fun of thing of people getting hurt.

But I was watching a clip on Facebook about a woman and this is just crazy.

A woman survives a camel kick.

Well, first of all, you know, if you one thing, if the woman went to the zoo, or she was on a Kenyan safari, or she was in the Kalahari desert.

But this is the women.

It went to church.

She went to church and it was the megachurch.

It was amazing.

This was obviously one of these megachurches.

It likes to put on a spectacular display.

And what did they have?

Yes, so basically it was a Christmas special that they had.

And you know how away in the manger you have you have the kings, and you have the camels and the horses and all that.

Well, apparently, because this is a really large church, you have aisles, and so the kings and the pilgrims or whatever you call them.

I don't know pilgrims, but anyway, they were coming down the aisle like a procession and here comes this very large camel, a real camel, right, and so someone's videotaping it, and all of a sudden, the hind leg of the camel does this like soccer punch like boom to this woman.

And I don't know if it hid her face or what.

I couldn't see what.

The video wasn't that clear, but clearly she was knocked out cold and the people that were around her knew this was happening.

And this guy was he even stood up because he was like he got away from the camel.

He didn't want to be anywhere near that camel.

He's like me.

And so the person that's holding the or walking the camel has no idea, but he's looking around like what's going on?

You know.

They're also with.

This disruption, had no idea his camel kicked anybody.

And the camel is just walking along, you know, almost like like the sneaky brother that pitches his sibling and it just keeps going, you know.

Yeah, and so so anyway, apparently this woman was was hurt.

She was seriously hurt by this camel, because apparently they're very strong, very very strong.

Camels are large animals.

I mean I've ridden them occasionally, and even getting on a camera, it's a very strange experience because, as you know, the camel doesn't stand up straight.

What happened?

So the camel is like this, and when you sit on the camel, the first thing that happens is their butts go like six feet up in the air and you slide down to the front and then the front part of the camera lifts up and you slide back down to them.

So it's a very now then what then it's stabilizes and the camel is good to go.

But the camel does not rise.

Very strange animal strange animal, strange looking.

But anyway, so back to this woman.

That's why, that's why the old saying that a camel is a horse designed by a committee.

Yeah, it's like when you get a committee, they take a horse, so it gets it.

Yeah, this is what you end up with.

Yeah, well, apparently the camel, very large, very strong, sends this woman to the hospital.

They they literally the ambulance comes during the performance.

The ambulance comes, picks up this lady, takes her to the.

Hospital, and the pastor goes.

It's a small price to play for this great celebration, this this great extravaganza.

I mean really, so my thought is this, Okay, you can actually have people dress up like camels.

I've seen that before where there's a person in the front of person in the back and they have the humps and they're walking.

You know, why did they have to have a real camel?

Well, not only do these why because the and the answer is not all that flattering, is that unfortunately, some of these megachurches have too much money.

No, they well they have become they have become religious entertainment.

Yeah, you know, and they believe that the way to keep people in the pews is by ever increasing dramatic spectacles.

Well they did that for sure.

Yeah.

So, I mean it starts off with like, let's do like a show, and then let's have like three hundred people in the choir, and so it's like, let's put on a Broadway production.

Then all right, well we're gonna do Christmas.

Now.

We need to we need to do a little better than the church down the street, which has only like one hundred people.

Well how do we do it.

Let's bring in a real camel that's going to knock people's socks off.

And it knocked her socks off.

Knocked her socks off and maybe, you know, maybe dislocated a chin.

We don't know, no, but.

The comments, those were the fun that That's why I was laughing so hard, Not because of what happened to this poor woman.

But the people and people on social media are extremely amusing.

They will, but particularly when you have something like this that that is a little dark but lends itself to the comedy, people go.

All out, oh my goodness.

So yeah, so you know, let's let's keep our celebrations less.

I'm just saying, not about it.

Yeah.

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