Episode Transcript
One half hour presentation, which will end write at one thirty because of the following speaker, John Anthony West.
Jordan Maxwell and I have something in common that we actually share with quite a few people in this field.
I say this field the field of research of unusual phenomena and even unusual politics, and that is that up until in my case nineteen and ninety five, I had no formal involvement with this issue at all.
I was a red person.
I had a life.
It was okay, it was nice, I didn't do any harm, but overall it was particularly consequential and amounted to not much at all.
And I decided I didn't like that, and I was going to spend the rest of my life doing something meaningful and important that I wanted to do.
And so that's exactly what I did.
Speaker 2I entered the field ninety six.
Speaker 1This is not uncommon and not surprising, because there are things that people who have mainstream lives and families and relatives and all those obligations and mortgages and so forth, there are places they simply can't go and they're not going to go, and we respect that, and there's for others we'll go there.
Jordan essentially had such a life and because of an absolute obsession with ancient world, ancient mysteries, magic and other things, became a self made researcher, commentator, talk show host, author, totally on his own, self made.
He's had over six hundred radio interviews.
He's written a number of books.
The two lead books are That Old Time Religion and a book in a video he did back in a nineteen eighty nine called The Matrix of Power.
Has some prescients there, if you understand what I'm saying.
We got the Matrix movies, and now we have the Threat Matrix show, which is based on the Threat Matrix presentation, which goes to every president.
So we're going to be hearing a lot about matrixes, apparently for the rest of our lives.
But he was already into that in nineteen eighty nine.
But I think one of the most significant things he's known for is that he was the driving force behind a three show series on CBS Television, the Ancient World Mysteries.
And I'm almost certain that all of us have probably seen one or two of those at one time or another.
He also has the distinction, a non trivial distinction, of being someone one of me.
I don't know if there's others, but he's certainly one person who had his radio program, which was broadcast on a ABC I believe affiliate radio station in a major market, was shut down by eliminating the sponsor and the sponsor's website and the sponsor's ability to function in any way under the Patriot Act.
John Ashcroft went on the air the other day and he made the comment, actually he's made couple comments different times.
Basically, he said, you know, look, we're doing this by the books, that we're not messing up, and no one has complained.
We have not a single complaint about an abuse of power under the Patriot Act outside of the terrorism issue.
Actually, it turns out that what he meant to say was no one has had the guts yet or he is able to overcome their their they're quite appropriate fears to go public with what's happened to one of the mat the Patriot Acts.
So that is a significant distinction, and usually that means that you must be doing something interesting to attract that kind of attention.
Without any further ado, I want to bring Jordan Maxwell forward here, and he's going to talk about some interesting things and he will be talking in the future, and you definitely want to catch him in a full fledged presentation when you have an opportunity.
Speaker 2Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3This is an impromptu presentation and I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you for a few moments.
Speaker 2There's an old.
Speaker 3Saying that says, always trust a person looking for truth, don't ever trust the one who's found it.
I have discovered that in order to truly appreciate any subject, you need to and as an example that I always give, if you're going to look at any subject, think of it like putting a lot of weight on the second floor.
You're going to put a huge amount of weight on the second floor of a building, but to make sure the floor can hold it, you go downstairs and go up through the ceiling tiles and check the foundation on which you're going to place that weight.
So now what you're doing is you are standing under the subject.
And this is where we get the word understanding.
You need to go to the bases, to fundamental foundation on which things set in order to understand.
And I have discovered many years ago that words and magical systems dominate the world that we live in.
There is, in point of fact, a magical matrix at work.
I discovered this a long time ago, and as Stephen brought out, I did a video called Matrix of Power, and I got all kinds of movie stars and motion picture producers and all those kind of people in Hollywood calling me.
This is back in eighty nine talking about the video matrix, and it was basically what you see in the movie.
We talked about how one thing is said to be one thing, it's actually another.
And I got phone calls from very famous people telling me they had seen it.
And then I was surprised to see later on comes out in a movie using the same term.
But I've always been interested in the occult.
Occult is simply a word meaning hidden, and so much of our powers in this world and the way things work are hidden.
And the more one looks at this subject of how the world actually works, you begin to see that there's a magical system.
And I'm telling you, there really is a magical system dominating the world of the Western civilization.
And for a thousand years before the Roman Empire existed in Northern Europe, basically Western Europe, there was a magical priesthood called the Druids, and the Druids still even exists to this day, and it was a very legitimate political, social, educational, religious institution dominating Europe for thousands of years.
And they were referred to as the Druids.
They were actually from the Phoenician Canaanite system in the Middle East.
The Phoenician Canaanites formed the basis four the ancient Druidic system, and that's even older.
Speaker 2But in the ancient.
Speaker 3Druidic system there were many powerful symbols and emblems.
One of the most interesting symbols in Juidism was a magic wand like Merlin, a magician with his magic wand magic wands were always.
Speaker 2Made out of the wood of a holly tree.
Speaker 3It was made out of Hollywood, and we're still seeing the magic of the wood of the holly tree Hollywood motion pictures, television.
And once you begin to see the symbols and realize that the symbols for the national coats of arms for countries, the flags, the seals, the presidential seals, the emblems for the logos and emblems are in corporate corporations, especially the corporate emblems for motion pictures and television companies like Columbia Broadcasting Systems CBS has the I.
Speaker 2The Colombian.
Speaker 3System goes back to the Columbian faction of the Illuminati, back in the early seventeen hundreds, not the late seventeen And you begin to see why space Shuttle is called Columbia.
You have Columbia University, Columbia Pictures, Columbia Broadcasting.
Columbia's very interesting word, and it's connected to the Jesuits.
Incidentally, the Jesuits are very pronouncedly involved in the destiny of this country.
The Jesuit order is very much involved in the founding of this country and the direction of its politics.
Georgetown University, from which many of the presidents and big shots in government get their education, is a Jesuit university.
And once you begin to see how words, in terms and symbols are used, and of course symbols are extraordinarily important in world affairs.
If you don't think so, you know where a If you don't understand the concept of how important symbols are, put a swastika on your arm and go to your local synagogue and watch the reaction you'll get.
Symbols mean things to people and the powers that be in this world have set up a world of symbols and emblems and terms and catchphrases, and once you understand how this system works, it's fascinating because for the first time the world opens up to you a whole new perspective on how government works, on how banks work, on how institutions and education, and why we have something called the police.
Where does the word sheriff come from?
Why do you have government?
Once you begin to see how these words are used and put together, all of a sudden at opens up, as I said, a whole new perspective on how stuff is happening.
Because in the world today, most people look at the things which are happening in this world and they can't make heads and tails out of it.
It doesn't make any sense at all, as destructive, it's lunacy, as chaos.
But in point of fact, the things which are happening in this world are not chaos at all.
It is very well planned, organized and directed.
There is a hidden agenda, so to speak, and it's been my desire to uncover this hidden agenda that uses terms and emblems and symbols.
Let me give you an example of how words.
My friend William Henry says, you put an s in front of the word and it becomes swords.
The words are swords, They are cutting things.
People are humans are word responsive creatures.
We respond to people's words.
When you begin to see how words are used, let me give you an example of the magic.
Why do you have to go to court.
You go to court because you play basketball on a court.
You play tennis on a court.
How do you play tennis on a court?
You play with a rocket?
Speaker 2Why?
Speaker 3Because the people that develop it know it's a rocket.
That's where we get the term.
Consequently, you need to understand that the words which are used by government, and by education, and by the systems under which we live are not by chance.
In a court, the whole idea in a court is to put the ball back in the other guy's court.
So this team of attorneys they stand up and throw the ball back at.
Speaker 2The other team.
Speaker 3Now the ball's in their court, they have to get up and throw the ball back into that court.
The judge which wears a black robe.
Why does a judge wear a black robe, Well, the same reason Catholic priests wear black robes, Rabbis wear black robes.
The judges wear black robes.
You wear a black robe for many years, young people graduating from university and college wear a black robe.
What's this stuff with a black robe?
It has to do with the planet Saturn.
Saturn is the god that inhibits.
He's the inhibitor and the law god, the god of law, who inhibits, who holds back, He holds back everything.
It teaches you a lesson the hard way Saturn and women were told in the ancient world to listen to their god, Saturn, who incidentally was called Lord of the Rings.
Okay, and consequently they're still making movies in Hollywood on Lord of the Rings the planet Saturn.
Women were told to listen to their god, the Lord of the Rings, so they were wearing an ear ring.
Men were to get married before Saturn, their god, so they would wear a wedding ring.
Consequently, the king would be crowned before Saturn.
Saturn would be the round crown of the corona, the ring, and so on.
Once you understand that courts, Why when you go into a court is there a fence with a gate and people sit on the outside, and then when your name is called, you go through the gate.
Speaker 2What is this gate all about?
Speaker 3It separates the people from the governmental arrangement, so that when you're sitting on the outside, you're no part of what's going on in the court.
Let me give you an example of how this stuff works, and it's a very quick example.
There are two basic kinds of law under the law of magic.
There are two kinds of laws that govern the earth.
One is called the law of the land L A.
N.
D.
And we've heard that term law of the land.
Why do you use that term the law of the land, because that's where people live, is on land.
But there's an opposing law which is far more important, far far more powerful.
It is called the law of water.
It was developed under the old Druidic system in Europe, which can trace its history back through the Roman Empire, through the Vatican, and ultimately back to the Phoenician Canaanites in the Middle East of what we today called Phoenicia.
Cana was called back what we call today Israel and Lebanon, Syria, that was called Phoenicia cana and the Phoenician Canaanites.
The very word cana which we've all heard in relation to the Bible.
Cana is a Phoenician word meaning bankers, merchant, bankers.
Well, the Phoenician Canaanite set up a system of merchant banking and had their Phoenician Canaanite symbols and words connected to their societies, their banking society.
It is we're talking about in the Middle East, and then through the Greece and ultimately through Rome and then into Britannia, and ultimately into this country comes an ancient Druidic Phoenician Canaanite magical system of finance, government, education, and all of it is right in front of you.
But if you don't understand what the words are and what the words mean, you're never going to figure out how this stuff works.
And I will guarantee you, no matter how educated you might think you are in the realm of business and government and education, I will guarantee you you have no idea in the world how banks really work.
And I will guarantee you you have no idea in the world how government actually in fact works.
We all have a cursively understanding of what we think is going on.
Speaker 2That's not it.
Speaker 3You need to understand that when even on your check, when you're writing a check, the place where you put your name on a check, look at that line what you're signing on, and get a magnifying glass, and you will find that's not a solid line to sign your name on.
That is written.
It's a typed written sentence that's been home down to microscopic size.
Get a magnifying glass and read on a check what is said where you sign your name.
That's why the attorneys tell you you better check the small print.
The small print is ultra small.
Where you sign your name on a check is saying something.
Go back and read it.
Consequently, you need to understand that according to the old Phoenician Canaanite system, which we call today our judicial education on judicial system, there is no law in this country or in the western world, no law federal, state, county, city, commercial, It makes no difference.
There is no law on the books anywhere in this country that applies to you as an individual creature.
There is no law because the people who designed a system thousands of years ago realized that there's two of you.
There's the one that your mother gave birth to, that God created, so to speak, and even your mother didn't know what you were doing.
Even your father and your mother have no idea what you're thinking of, what you will do you don't even know.
So consequently, they have no control over you, your flesh and blood self.
But somebody has to control this show.
And so consequently the ancient Phoenician Canaanites developed a system by which they would assign to every person a second you.
And this is the way it works in America.
There is two of you, just as there are two states in this country.
Of every state is two states.
You have the state of Nevada and Nevada State.
You have cal state, California state, and state of California.
Not the same thing at all.
California State, according to the law, is one thing.
State of California is totally different, has nothing to do with each other at all.
It's a difference between being a lawyer and an attorney.
Has nothing to do with at all.
It's totally separate.
Words means totally separate things.
Consequently, when you understand how words in terms are used and symbols are used, then we go back to the idea of the court.
And as I said, there is no law in this country on any books that applies to you.
Speaker 2None.
Speaker 3All law in the Western civilization applies only too co operations, co ops.
All law applies only to corporations, period, across the board, no other end of sentence.
Consequently, there is no law that applies to you personally.
So consequently the system has made each one of you a corporation.
And how now do you distinguish which one when someone's addressing you, that they're addressing you as the one that your mother gave birth to or the corporate you.
Very simple.
According to British law.
When you sign your name upper and lower case, that is applying to your body, your flesh and blood.
Self is spelled according to British and American law upper and lower case capital letter lower case that's you, your personal self.
There is no law that can be applied to an upper and lower case name.
Speaker 2Period.
Speaker 3No law at all can be applied to an upper and lowercase name, because there is no law over you.
Therefore, every piece of important bills, insurance, driver's license, identification, taxes, I don't care what it is.
If it's a piece of business, period, in any kind of way, shape, or form, your name must by law, international maritime, admiralty, banking law, your name must appear in all capital letters.
You will never get a bill or anything that has your name upper and lower case, because there is no law that applies to an upper and lower case name period.
So if Sears is going to send you a bill, if you go into Baskin Robbins and you order a pair of shoes, what are you going to do?
They're going to give you a ticket and you're going to put it on your bill, and then they're expecting you to pay the bill, and consequently they're going to charge you.
Well, that's the same thing.
You're go into a courtroom.
They're going to read out the charges and the cop gave you the ticket and you have been charged with a speeding or whatever, and therefore you have to pay the charge.
Well, once you understand that in America, according to our laws in America, you cannot pay a bill.
Did you know that according to international banking law, Americans cannot pay a bill.
So when you say, well, I got to pay this I pay that bill, well, that's a term we use, but in point of fact, lawfully, you cannot pay a bill.
You can discharge a debt, you cannot pay a bill.
So consequently you need to understand what do you mean discharge a debt?
Now it gets back to the court again.
Now it gets back to the symbols and emblems of why the judge wears a black robe.
Saturn, the god who is the inhibitor, the god of occult law, the mystical god Saturn, lord of the rings, who is in charge of and controls all occult law in the universe.
This is why today we know that Saturn was referred to as l e L L is a name that was given to the planet Saturn, and therefore, if you were worshiping the Saturn, you represent the law.
You were referred to in church today as an elder.
How did you get to be an elder?
You got to be an elder because you were one of the L leads.
How did you get to be an l lead?
You got l elected because through l elections all of our system is based on occult mystical words and turns.
Going back to the planet Saturn, going back to the Phoenician Canaanite system of banking.
Incidentally, where do you find a bank?
We go to banks all the time.
Where do you find a bank?
Banks are on both sides of a river, They're called river banks.
Speaker 2What does a river bank do?
Speaker 3It directs the flow of the current sea.
Your money is referred to as the current.
See this is why when you go to court you have the current l ltricity, because it's the juice, and if you don't have the juice, you don't have it.
So if you don't have the jeice, you can't capitalize.
And the capital is a Latin word meaning money.
Consequently, Caesar rule from what was referred to in history books Caesar rule from up on the hill.
It was called Capital Hill capitalne Hill.
With the Senate, you need to understand that Washington, DC as a Jesuit Catholic establishment under international.
Speaker 2Maritime admiralty law.
Speaker 3And once you begin to see how the system of the ancient Catholic system, the Jesuits, the ancient Roman Empire, the Phoenician Canaanite banking system is all part of a world dominating system.
And once you figure out how the key to understanding all of this, all of a sudden, the whole world opens up to you and you say, oh, now I see why there were a twin Towers in New York, New York the Empire state.
You need to do some homework on the term twin towers and find out that it goes back to Jacob and Boaz of the Phoenician Canaanites.
All throughout Europe churches all had twin towers.
You better go back and find out what is connected to New York.
New York comes from the York Right in England, there's a very sinister, frightening, interesting symbolism that has been imposed upon this country and the people have no idea in the world what's going on.
Speaker 2So I'm just saying, if you.
Speaker 3Want to open up a whole can of worms for yourself and for the first time begin to see how magical use of words and terms and symbols are used, you need to start looking at the world of the occult.
In politics and religion.
Like my mother used to say, has never been a political movement in the world that wasn't a little religious, and has never been a religion that wasn't political.
Religion, politics, and commerce are the three legs of the stool on which world order sits.
And this all of this stuff today Washington, d c.
Government banking all goes back to the Phoenician Canaanite system and ancient Phoenicia, ancient Babylonian Sumeria.
Speaker 2And this is.
Speaker 3Why the work of Zachariah Sitchen is so important.
This is where the Kings of England get their concept of the divine right of kings.
Speaker 2What do you talk about divine right?
Speaker 3All of this is part of a subject which I call ancient mysticism that dominates the Western civilization.
I'm telling you this is very serious and it's absolutely it's absolutely incredible how much people don't know about this system.
And I want to thank you for letting me introduce this concept to you.
Speaker 2So much.
Speaker 3My name is Jordan Maxwell.
Last name M A X W E L L.
Jordan is j O R D A N.
Speaker 2M.
Speaker 3I'm a speaker here at the conference in San Mateo.
I normally speak on subjects at UFO conference.
Says on UFO related subjects.
All of my life, I've been a believer like most young men, I was always fascinated with the subject, and intuitively, I felt there was something more to this universe than just what I was seeing, and so I've always been a believer in the existence of UFOs.
But there's a very big difference between being a believer and a knower, someone who's actually in fact had a confrontation with something like that, and that happened for me in nineteen ninety four, I was invited to speak at a UFO conference in Mesquite, Nevada, very large conference, and afterwards I was driving back on a Sunday morning with two friends and we decided just before we got into Las Vegas to drive up to Rachel, Nevada, which is just north of Las Vegas, about one hundred and thirty miles and it's the site of the famous Area fifty one.
And we had never been there.
The three of us had never been there, heard about it.
And Joe and Pat Travis, the owner of the Little a Ley Inn, the big restaurant hotel, they knew me from my radio shows and videos, et cetera, but they had always invited me to come up, but I never did.
And so we decided on a lark just to turn around and rather come back, and rather than coming back to La we just decided to.
Speaker 2Go up to the Little lely En.
So we drove up there and had a delightful time meeting with everyone.
And then.
Speaker 3That night, when they were closing the restaurant, I asked Joe and Pat, the owners, where.
Speaker 2Do we go to see UFOs?
Where do all the tourists go?
Speaker 3And Joe said, well, you actually don't have to go anywhere to sit out on the parking lot, and if they want to find you, they will.
And so Pat said, well, if you want to go where everyone else goes, you go right back on the highway and take turn right and go south all the way back to Las Vegas and go twenty miles at the twenty mile mark pull off and you will see a big mailbox.
That's the famous black mailbox that everyone knows out there.
That's where the best viewing site for possible UFO sightings seems to be.
So it's twenty miles south, which is heading, as I said, back to Las Vegas.
So eleven thirty at night.
My friend, my lady friend in the front seat, my publisher is in the back seat, and I'm driving out on the highway and instead of turning right, I turn left and go north.
Speaker 2I have no idea why.
Speaker 3And the lady with me, she didn't realize it.
Paul Tice, my publisher, he didn't realize it.
We're driving north like we knew what we were doing.
And we got to the twenty mile mark north which Vegas.
Speaker 2I mean, Rachel is.
Speaker 3One hundred and thirty miles north of Las Vegas.
Speaker 2So now we're one.
Speaker 3Hundred and fifty miles north of Las Vegas, out in the high desert of Nevada, after midnight, totally totally overcast, from horizon to horizon, totally overcast.
And then we discovered we've gone the wrong way.
So I it was decided that we'll turn around, we'll go back, stay overnight, and come and go to the right place tomorrow tomorrow night.
So I stopped the car right where the car came to a stop, middle of the night, one hundred and fifty miles north of Las Vegas, totally overcast.
There was a wide dirt road right there going out into the desert, and the wide dirt road was very level and well kept, and so Ivy and Paul became very agitated.
They wanted to drive out into the desert.
And I said, you're in the desert.
You're one hundred and fifty miles into the desert.
What are you going to see out there that you're not going to see here?
And besides, you're you know, it's totally overcast.
You're not going to see anything anywhere.
And they were very belligerent about it and said, no, we've got to go out in the desert.
Let's just go out for a few minutes.
And so I said, okay.
So we drive out maybe a mile if that, and all of a sudden, I got a very overwhelming since that we've done something wrong, and it was extremely powerful.
Speaker 2Feeling I had that.
Speaker 3It was very I have felt this feeling at other times, and I was right.
So I said, I don't know why what we're doing here, but I'm getting out of here because there's something going on and I feel it and I don't like it.
Speaker 2I want to get out of here.
Speaker 3And I stopped the car and I backed it up and turned it around, and Paul and Ivy became unglued.
They absolutely wanted to get out for a few minutes.
And I said, I don't want to stay here.
There's something going on here and I don't know what it is, and I don't like it.
So Paul and Ivy talked me into it to at least stay for a few minutes.
I said, all right, but if I get in this car and the engine starts, you better be in the car because I'm serious, I'm leaving.
Speaker 2So and I was on edge.
I got out.
Speaker 3We shut the car, we shut the lights off, in the car.
I don't know if you've ever been on a desert where there was absolutely no light.
It's total black.
You have to hold onto the car to know where it is.
You can't see anything that you can only hear each other.
And we were only out of the car more than maybe a minute at the most, and all of a sudden, just north of us, the cloud began to open up, and like a little bit of an oval, began to kind of open up and then stopped.
And of course, in total darkness, any opening in the cloud you'll see immediately.
And so we watched it as it kind of broke away and opened up a little bit, and then it stopped, and Ivy says, look at that.
Speaker 2The clouds just opened.
Speaker 3And when she said that, through that opening came two white disk shape bluish white, more white than blue, bluish white, glowing disc shape things, which immediately appeared to be, to my way of thinking, a hologram, because there was no any there was no detectable metal superstructure, and absolutely no sound period, just two white disc shape things.
Speaker 2And they weren't flying.
Speaker 3Zipping through with the lights zipping through.
I'm talking about the size that the moon would appear in this nighttime sky.
Two white glowing objects came in very slow.
They were not flying as such, they appeared to be just electronically or magnetically floating, and as they floated overhead, five more came in behind them, And at that point I totally went ballistic.
I was ably, and I don't mind admitting it, totally frightened because I have never seen this kind of awesome beauty that radiated fear.
If you've never been there, you can't appreciate what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2But if you are like a child, a small child.
Speaker 3Taken to a zoo and brought up to the cage of a gorilla, the overwhelming fear that grips the child, that's the kind of fear I felt.
Because I'm smart enough to know that this kind of technology is one of two things.
It's either of another world, which if it is from somewhere else, it's frightening who are they and what are they doing here?
Or second, if it is of our work, If it's from the Earth, then that tells me we are far more technologically advanced than I suspected, and that's frightening.
Either way, I was in total fear I'm thinking, my god, what is this?
Seven white, glowing disc shaped things, as I said, making no sound, no metal superstructure.
They began to move over our heads and began to change places, as if they were doing some sort of a little routine to show us what they could do.
And they would drop down and move right over our heads.
And Ivy and Paul were as static.
They were like children at Disneyland.
They were jumping.
Speaker 2Around and saying, God, look how beautiful they are.
All the time.
I was not impressed.
I was legitimately frightened.
Speaker 3They didn't seem to be sensitive to what I was feeling.
I'm thinking, this is scary stuff.
Speaker 2I don't know what this.
Speaker 3Is, and I don't know who it is, but whatever this is and whatever it represents is a technology and a knowledge that is far superior to anything I have ever in my life coming across.
Speaker 2And that bothers me.
Speaker 3I don't know who these people are, and I don't know what they're doing, but if they have this kind of technology and they radiate, and that's something you need to remember.
Speaker 2They radiated a fear off of them.
You could feel it.
Speaker 3You're in the presence of something awesome, fearful, and I finally decided, after about a minute and a half to two minutes of watching this that I've had enough, and I got in the car and started the engine up.
Yes, And at this point I should say I was born and raised about two miles from Gulf Breeze, Florida, and I grew up from about the age of seven rate having other world experiences.
Speaker 2All of my life.
Speaker 3I have been involved in other world experiences for whatever reason.
And I have experienced many things as a teenager and as a child, and even in adult years that were just startling things.
Speaker 2Nothing compared to this.
Nothing I was.
Speaker 3As I said, even as an adult, I was legitimately frightened.
Because I was I knew that we were in the presence of something.
Speaker 2Awesome.
Speaker 3So I got in the car after about a minute and a half two minutes of standing there shaking while this display is going on, and Paul and Ivy were just jumping up and delighted, and you know, they went in the mind of the things came down and landed me.
I've been gone, and so I finally the side I told him, I said, I'm leaving, get in the car.
And I also have to say at this point.
This is one of the things.
We all have things in our lives that we will live to regret, and I do regret doing this, but I got so scared I decided to leave quickly.
I regret doing that.
I wish I would have had the intestinal fortitude to stay there to see what was going to happen, because this was an monumental display.
Maybe it's just as well we didn't stay there to find out what was going to happen.
So I got in the car and I cranked the engine, and they they got in the car because they realized I was serious, and so they rolled the windows down and leaned out the window backwards so that they could watch while I'm driving away, and I tried to drive because I knew the road was straight.
I'll figure if I just leave the lights off and drive straight.
Because there were two of me at that time, there was the emotional, unconnected me and then there's the rational me.
The emotional me was thinking, I don't want to turn the lights on because they'll see us.
But the other part of me was saying, you know what, this kind of technology they saw you coming, you know, I mean the army could pick you up.
Speaker 2It late at night, naturally they can.
Speaker 3Then I decided, look, if we're going to get out of here, just flip on the lights and us get out.
And I flipped the lights on, put my foot right to the floor, and I tore out to the highway.
When I did, Paul sitting in a back seat, Ivy in the front seat, leaning out the window backwards.
They went totally ballistic to each other.
They started screaming uncontrollably to each other, yelling, screaming at the top of their voice at each other.
And what was happening is all seven of these beautiful things came right down over the top of the car, zoom right down over us.
I wasn't seeing.
I just saw a couple of them moving around, and they were moving quickly.
And I looked out and I could see them moving around, and I thought, my god, we're in trouble.
And I was heading to the highway as fast as I could down that dirt road.
Ivy and Paul are screaming because they are totally blown away now by this kind of attention.
Now it's not just that we saw them.
They know we're here and they're following us.
I hit the highway just before the highway.
I started slowing down because I was doing maybe eighty to ninety miles an hour on a dirt road, and I saw the highway coming up, so it slowed down quick enough because I didn't want to overshoot it and really wrecked the car.
And when we hit the highway, I turned the car and skid it onto the highway and I threw it in part, shut the lights off, immediately jumped out because I felt safer on the highway.
I'm not on military property.
I just felt safer.
We're on the highway now.
We jumped out, all three of us, and the seven of those saucer shaped things.
Speaker 2No sound again they were They.
Speaker 3Had stopped about two blocks back, about a block and a half to two blocks back, and had already begun to go back out into the desert like they had chased us away.
And now they're going back out into the desert.
And all of a sudden they went just like this into the clouds, but gone.
We stood out on the highway twelve forty five to one o'clock, totally overcast, totally dark, the lights on and shaking, and there were all kinds of emotions being displayed there was.
I can't tell you the kind of silliness and craziness that was going on between the three of us, we all three.
It began to occur to us what we had been involved in and how severe and frightening this thing really was.
So of course, driving back to the hotel on the motel was shaking and would try And the question of the hour was whose technology did we witness tonight?
Was it ours or theirs?
Unanimous, we all agreed, this is not human.
It may be human built, but the knowledge that it took to do this was not of our originality.
I should explain too, that when we were speeding back out of the highway, Paul and Ivy were getting to show they were watching it.
They were telling me that what the seven of these disc shaped things were doing.
They would come together in a circle without touching each other, but all of this in a second.
They would come together in a circle and blow out into a seven pointed star, come together in the circle, blow out into seven pointed back and forth.
And they followed us at ninety miles an hour.
They were doing that, following us, following us out just that way, just that quick.
That kind of technology we don't have to be able to pull put into a perfect circle, block out into a and follow you out.
At first, when I first saw these things, I thought it was a hologram.
But they are the light reflecting off of these are emanating from these objects, reflected on the clouds above them.
Speaker 2At this point I today do not know what it was in fact that we saw.
Speaker 3But when we got back to the hotel of the motel that night, we decided to stay overnight, of course, and so going into the motel that we were staying in, you walk directly into the bathroom.
When you walk through the door of the bathrooms in front of you, and there are two bedrooms, one on each side.
One had one bed, one had two.
I was not about to sleep by myself that night, so I talked Ivy into sleeping in the room with me and Paul could have the other room.
Speaker 2I said, you go over there and sleep for yourself.
Speaker 3So we laid in bed talking about what did we see tonight, and we pretty well had decided that it was not out, not of this world.
Speaker 2Finally, when we fell off to sleep.
Speaker 3The next morning, I got up late and I went over to the restaurant.
Speaker 2Paul and Ivy had already gotten up.
Speaker 3And gone over to the restaurant, and they were having breakfast and talking to the townspeople, and they had a big group of people around the table, and they were talking about experience.
So when I walked into the restaurant, I thought that what they were talking about is the experience the three of us had had the night before, but they were talking about what happened to them last night in the motel room.
Speaker 2Paul said that he about a half hour, for five minutes something like that.
After he fell asleep.
Speaker 3He woke up totally awake, and something picked him up, actually picked him up and set him up in bed.
Speaker 2Involuntarily.
Speaker 3And the moment he set up, a light came on over his head, like a little dim night light, and he looked up to see an alien's face with the typical alien's face with the bubble eyes, but it was glowing and you.
Speaker 2Could see through it.
Speaker 3You could see the ceiling through it, as if it were a hologram of some kind, and it was glowing looking at him, and he said, it slid across the ceiling, went across the ceiling, hit the wall, and came down to where it was even with him sitting in bed, and at that moment, in his head, he began to see the room going in circles.
He could see the window behind him going around, the door going around.
The room was moving in circles.
Obviously, it was some sort of a of an optical thing that was happening.
And he said, but the face stood still while the room began to rotate, and it telepathically asked him, and he said, I understood it totally clear.
It telepathically asked him.
Speaker 2Who are you and what are you doing here?
Speaker 3And he said, and I was totally frightened to that because I kept trying to communicate with it and thought wise, because I knew that's the way it communicates.
And he said, I kept trying to think, how do you communicate with something that doesn't, you know, communicate like we do.
And he said, then then all of a sudden, in his mind, he began to see his whole life going backwards quickly.
You know, I've heard that this happens when you are dying, as you see your entire life go by you.
He said, I saw everything in my whole life go by me quickly.
Obviously, this entity was able to go through its your memory track of some kind of a memory track that her brain.
Speaker 2Has, and.
Speaker 3Therefore it was finding out who he was.
And then it said to him telepathically, you're all right, You're okay.
And then it went through the wall.
Everything stopped.
It went through the wall and disappeared.
But Ivy in my room was legg so that she could see the door, and she said she saw the glowing on the wall, but she couldn't tell what the light was because it wasn't very bright.
And she said, but when she opened her eyes to see the glowing of the light in Paul's room, which was the face on the wall, a little red, tiny, little red dot of light came through the Paul's room and came in and hovered over her, a little red, tiny light, which incidentally is in Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters.
Every time you saw the big the sauces go by, you said, this little light going around.
Ivy said she saw this little light come in and hover right above her.
And at that moment she was totally paralyzed.
Couldn't move, couldn't cry out, couldn't do anything.
All she could do is breathe and just and she said, she laid there totally paralyzed looking at this light.
And when the light went, when the glowing went through the wall, that little red light went out and followed it was gone.
Now I slept through all of this.
I didn't see any of it.
I'm just telling you what they said.
But I know them and they're not given to making up stories, either one of them.
Speaker 2And so.
Speaker 3I said to them at the time, and the restaurant said, well, they didn't wake me, and Pat, the owner of the restaurant, she said, no, no, they know who you are.
Speaker 2They just wanted to know who your companions were.
Speaker 3And so that was the experience up there.
When I got back to Los Angeles about three months later, I was in San Diego working at a car down there as an editor for a magazine, and I decided, this was in the late spring.
I decided to rent a convertible and drive back up to Area fifty one by myself and no one knew this, and go back out to where we had had this experience by myself, which I did, and I drove out there in the afternoon when the sun was still.
It was dust, but the sun was still up.
Because I wasn't about to go out there by myself at night, and I parked the car and the convertible.
Speaker 2I parked the car, I got.
Speaker 3Sat on the back hood with my feet in the back seat, and I said to them, I said, look, and I know you're here, okay, And I want you to know that I don't mind doing whatever it is.
Speaker 2I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 3If I've got a destiny in life or a mission or whatever it is, I don't mind doing it.
But if it has something to do with you, then I'm going to ask you for two favors.
Speaker 2Do not abduct me because I don't want to go anywhere.
And don't frighten me in my bedroom.
I don't want to wake up.
Speaker 3And find something in my bedroom I can't handle.
Okay, So don't mess with me, don't scare me to death.
And I don't want to go anywhere.
But if I'm supposed to do something, if there's a divine plan of some sort where I'm supposed to play, then open the doors, show me what I am to do, and leave me alone.
And I thanked them when I got back in the car and drove back, and that was it.
About a month later, now we're at the beginning of summer, I get a phone call from Paul, my publisher, who lived in Escondido, right down by San Diego, and he's telling me about this young lady who is a past life regressionist and he said, you got to go see this girl.
She's sensational.
So I called her, made an appointment.
She's down on Carnado Island.
Her name was Karen, k I R I N.
And I went down to see Karen.
And she being a very spiritually inclined past life regressionist type of person.
She has you lay on the table and take your rings off and your watch, and she's setting up the candles and lighting candles and doing some sort of a little ritual thing.
And I'm just laying there watching her.
Paul says, she's great.
We'll find out.
And she's talking to someone and I'm laying there watching her.
And she's talking to someone and I said, who are you talking to?
And she said, I'm talking to your friends who brought you here.
And I said, oh, okay, brought me.
Speaker 2To the house.
Speaker 3She said, no, no, no, no, your friends who brought you to the earth.
You've come here from another place and they have brought you here to do something.
I said, I've often wondering about that.
Where did I come from?
I mean, really, what am I doing here?
And she says, well, and I'm just telling you what she said.
She said, they are Playadians and they have brought you here to do something, and you are ultimately going to be a emissary was the word.
An emissary for them.
They're going to channel through you, they're going to use you, and they will speak through you, and they have been preparing you for many, many years.
Speaker 2I said, oh, okay, I don't know.
Speaker 3And then she goes on lighting some more candles and then she starts talking again, and then she's laughing, and I said, what are you laughing at?
And she said, oh, they told me something funny about you.
And I said what And she said, they said that about a month ago, you drove up to see Joe and Pat up at Little Alien in a convertible you rented, and you sat on the back of the hood with your feet in the back seat, and you told them you didn't mind doing what you're supposed to do, but you didn't want to be abducted or frightened in your bedroom.
Speaker 2And they thought that was funny.
Now, at that.
Speaker 3Moment, I became very disorientated.
I said, whoa nobody knew I did that.
No one knew I did that.
I didn't tell anyone, and she said, yeah, they knew.
She said, they're telling me you went back out there because you didn't want to go out there at night because they scared you the last time, but that you went out there and sat on the back of your car and they thought.
Speaker 2That was funny.
Speaker 3And I said, why would they say humor in a human being frightened?
And she said, because if you knew who you really were, you know, that would sound kind of silly.
And so I respected that.
I am just telling you what she said.
But to me, that was a very powerful emotional experience talking to her, because she told me things that no one could have known but myself, and she was very accurate.
I'm just telling you this because I believe that there is, in point of fact, something going on in the world where, for a lack of a better term, extraterrestrial alien if you please, I don't like the word alien because I know what it means.
Extraterrestrial or other world intelligences, higher life forms are somehow or another intermingling with us.
I am totally convinced that that's been the case since day one.
Uh, I have become obviously more convinced.
Now this is merely one experience of about twenty on that same level that I have had, which continues to drill home the point to me that there is some sort of a higher intelligence watching us.
Speaker 2Who they are.
I have my own suspicions.
Speaker 3And speaking of that, in your research, have you found any evidence of this throughout history and religion?
Speaker 2Yes?
Speaker 3Yes, and and it did not start.
This kind of ideas did not start with von Denikin or my friend uh some of the other authors like Zacharyasichen.
There are many good and profoundly great authors writing on the kind of subject, but it didn't start with them.
If you go back into the Bible, into the pen took the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, and Genesis is just filled with such stories of angels.
As a matter of fact, in Genesis is eighteen, there was a very famous story in the Jewish tradition about Abraham was visited by three men, and it says three men come walking up into Abraham's camp, and Abraham went out and met them and asked him to stay for dinner, the scripture says, and the three men said no, they were in a hurry to go somewhere on business.
And the scripture says that he insisted that they at least stay for dinner.
So they said, all right, but make it quick.
So the wife Sarah fixed dinner for them.
After eating, they thanked him for his hospitality.
And the scripture says in Genesis is eighteen that the three men thanked him, got up and excused himself and went off.
And it says, this was the Almighty God, the Creator, with two accompanying angels.
Now they looked like men.
They sat down and had dinner with you.
They got up, they thanked them and walked off.
And this was the Almighty God with two accompanying angels.
Speaker 2I don't know.
I wasn't there.
This is what the scripture says.
Speaker 3Then, also in the Genesis, there is a story of Lot in Sodom and Gamara where some angels came to visit him, and it says the homosexuals in that town, the scripture said, thought that these were handsome, extraordinary, good looking men.
There are other stories in Genesis and in the Bible about angels who forsook their proper dwelling place and took on human form and started messing around with women.
And the Bible says, along with many other holy writings of the ancient world, talk about aliens who took on human form, not just in the Hebrew tradition, but many of the ancients had the same kind of stories where alien life forms angels, if you please, took on human form and began to mess around with women and got them pregnant.
Speaker 2This tells me their plumbing work.
Speaker 3Second, I know women are not going to fall in love and go to bed with something that is a hideous monster, so they must have been very good looking men.
All of that frightens me because there may be some around here.
We don't even know who they are.
They appear to be men, they appear to be human.
And of course, the Jewish tradition and Judaism teaches in the Bible that God made us in his image and likeness, the point being in the Hebrew meaning in your bodily form.
The way you are designed is because the gods look like that.
Speaker 2You look like them.
Speaker 3They look like you, why, because they created you from them.
I tend to think that there is a monoicum of truth in that.
Maybe it's a beautiful story, it tells you something, but I think there might be something more to this story.
That being the case, this is why I'm concerned about world government, world religion, and where we are going as a human race.
Speaker 2Who is, in point of fact, in charge on this earth.
Speaker 3Because I am very good at because I've been doing it for a long time, pattern recognition.
I have been able to trace for many years, patterns in political religio philosophical movements, words, terms, symbols, emblems, national coats of arms, tree words, as I said, which can be traced back backwards and go all the way back into history.
I mean as far back as the hit Tites that were using double headed eagles.
The egle itself was used as a symbol for the Sun Orders and the ancient Samerian, Phoenician Canaanite system.
The sun Orders were symbolized by the egle.
Secret societies of priesthoods used the egle.
The Greeks used it, the Babylonians used it.
The Romans were very big on the Roman egle.
This is where we get it from America, the great American ball egle.
Speaker 2No, no, it's not American.
Speaker 3This goes all the way back to fascist Nazism that was born in the Roman Empire, which can be traced back that egle representing the sun, the rising sun of a new world order, goes all the way back into the most ancient of times.
I believe that what we are viewing today in America and in the world is a continual pattern recognition that something very big is going on, and we are merely the people who are experiencing it.
Speaker 2Now.
Speaker 3I would suggest that we are in serious trouble because we have not read the symbols.
Speaker 2What type of serious trouble?
Speaker 3Because if you were a Jewish family living in Berlin in the nineteenth mid to early nineteen thirties, if you were savvy enough to understand what was going on in the country, the mood of the country, the symbols, the terms, the words, the catchphrases, where the political thinking was going, how it was moving, you would, of course, as there were many Jewish families that began to say, we better get out of here, because we can see where it's going.
They're looking for escapegoat, they're looking for someone to blame, and they have this whole thing about this divine right of an Aryan super race, and that stuff is still going on in England today with the her Majesty and the divine right of kings.
This racism, anti Semitism, fearful and frightening tutalitarian thinking has pervaded cultures all the way back into Samaria.
Speaker 2And I am.
Speaker 3Saying that what we are seeing today in America and as it is being played out on the world scene, is the same identical words, terms, symbols, catchphrases, emblems, The same steps are now being taken by the so called quot powers that be, which ultimately brought about Adolf Hitler.
And to my personal way of thinking, I think that that's what we're heading for again, another period in which the world is going to wake up, as Europe and America did when it was almost too late.
I think we're going to awaken one day to find out that we've all been too relaxed and entertained and watching television and being entertained with all the cares of life, never realizing what is going on in this country.
And this is important to me, not that I'm Jewish, but because I appreciate that it doesn't have anything to do with being Jewish.
It has to do with scapegoats.
It has to do with picking somebody and whoever it might be, maybe the blocks tomorrow.
It may be homosexuals, it may be Hispanics.
It doesn't matter who they are, they'll be the enemy that needs to be dealt with.
Speaker 2UH.
Speaker 3I think that this has always been the uh, the case in politics, that the powers that be behind the throne UH need to have the people agitated.
And I think that this is what's happening.
I'm very fearful because this country, I believe, is, in point of fact, the last great hope for uh, the divine plan of the ages to bring freedom and liberty and freedom to the earth and to allow every person to be free and and unmolested.
Speaker 2AH.
Speaker 3But I think that that's you know, that's very quickly now leaving us.
I think we're losing, We're losing the great country.
I mean, all one has to do if you want to uh, you know, debate this.
I don't think there's anything to debate.
I think if you.
Speaker 2Just uh are aware of uh.
UH.
Speaker 3The CIA, which was called the OSS and the Second World War, became known after the Second World War as a CIA CIA.
Originally, the OSS was originally founded by men who were members of an order called the Knights of Malta.
It is a Roman secret society of peril for Freemasons who have operated in Europe for many, many hundreds of years.
The Knights of Malta gave us the and along with the kindred orders like the Knights Templars, the Order of Knights Templars, who were the international bankers in Switzerland who were boiling, melting down teeth from Jewish people that they had killed the Knights Templars of Switzerland.
This is why no, Switzerland's never in any war, because this is where the Templars call home.
This is the international banking you know.
You don't mess where the boss lives.
I have done a lot of research in which I have helped Jewish organizations on this whole problem of international bankers out of Switzerland.
So I think that there's something going on here, very big.
Definitely agreed, Yes, I certainly do.
I haven't spent forty years with the subject, not to know.
Speaker 2To discuss here up to you you were saying what it was.
Speaker 3Well, I was saying in the time of Richard Nixon, when he was Richard Nixon was being hounded out of office and he should have been.
The thought was how much did Rick Richard Nixon know and when did he stop knowing it?
Speaker 2Meaning that if.
Speaker 3He didn't know the Watergate break in was taking place, and what kind of a president is he that has no idea what his own people are doing?
Or second, if he did and he lied about it, then why is he president and lying to us?
Speaker 2Okay?
Speaker 3So either way he was not fit to be president because he was either incompetent or a liar.
Speaker 2Either way, SHO shouldn't be in that office.
Speaker 3I am saying the same thing today that the powers that be in this country who have control over investigative law enforcement, and don't make any mistake about this, that in the Justice Department, there is a division of the Justice Department, as there is in large police forces around the nation, there is a department called the Department of Criminal Conspiracies Division.
The Criminal Conspiracies Division of the Justice Department is there because there is, in point of fact, sometimes existing in this country criminal conspiracies.
That's why you have a criminal Conspiracy's division.
I am saying, would it be considered a criminal conspiracy for individual corporations and companies and large banking institutions in America to put together the money and the technology and the raw materials to build Adolf Hitler's Nazi Germany.
Would that be considered a criminal conspiracy because, in point of fact, Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime was built by American know how, American money, General Motors, Ford Motor Company, General Electric, DuPont.
You go down the line, all the major corporations in America were with Adolf Hitler in business.
That's where he got the money.
Because the German people were starving after the First World War.
They were actually, in point of fact, starving in the streets.
Their money was totally worthless.
They had signed in armistice and Germans don't usually give up in a fight.
Speaker 2They had no alternative.
Speaker 3They were totally broke, with no food, no ammunition, and they gave up in the First World War.
Speaker 2Then comes in this mad.
Speaker 3Man named Adolf Hitler, and he's talking about how we need to clean the situation up and get back on top again.
And before you know it, he's starting to put people to work.
There's money coming in building volkswagens and highways, and all of a sudden, about ten years later, Germany becomes the most militaristic, most professionally trained, highly trained, well fed, most highly equipped, standing military organization in the world.
With their ships on the high seas, tank fleets, submarine fleets, rockets, standing armies throughout the world.
They frightened the entire world.
Where did they get the money?
Somebody better trace the money, and they're going to trace it right back to New York's City Chase, Manhattan Bank, Morgan Guarantee Trust, City Bank in Chicago.
They're going to trace it back to all of the major financial institutions in America.
They're going to trace back General Motors, Ford Motor Company, Chrysler, General Electric, Union, Carbite.
Speaker 2Go down the line.
Speaker 3All of the major corporations in America knew who out of Hitler was and what he was going to do, and they were supplying him with money, materials, logistics they built out of Hitler's Nazi Germany here in America.
And don't ever forget it, because I believe, I believe that the same people who gave birth to the concept of this Aryan super race are in control of this government at this time.
And the Jews that are alive today don't know how to read the symbols, if you know how, if you know how as a detective, if you are trained as a detective to know what to listen for, what to hear, and if you're highly tuned and working for the CIA or some organization like that, you set in on an interrogation, you know what you're listening for.
Speaker 2You know how this thing.
Speaker 3Flows, and when certain words are used, certain terms are used, you know where it's coming from.
So I'm saying unless and until people in this country we don't have leaders, we have misleaders.
But until somebody learns how to read the symbols, know what the words mean, know what the terms mean, and.
Speaker 2Begin to put these pieces together, we're not going to be awaken time to discover that the same people who built out of Hitler have done it again.
Speaker 3And this is what I am very concerned about, because I know that it has nothing to do with Jewish It has to do with a totalitarian dictatorship that's been coming for a long time, and it fell through in times past, it didn't work, but it seems to be working now.
And the greatest single enemy to this totalitarian system is a free people, a free people who can do their own thinking.
Investigate everything and have the ability to confront the powers that be, And of course we will call America was called the land of the Free and the home of the brave.
We are not free and we are not brave.
We have learned what to kiss and when we have learned that, you do not do anything in this country and talk about any subject that's going to get you hurt.
Because there's an old saying it's very dangerous to be right when your country is wrong.
I think that we are living in a country today which is being manipulated, exploited, and maneuvered into something that the politicians are now calling a new world order, which is, in point of fact, the same identical words that Adolf Hitler used in his public speeches when he began to talk about how the superior race was going to lead the world in the New Age to a new world order, a new order based on a supreme rulership of the masses by an aryan super race.
And this is the same words that the President of the United States, congressmen and all of the so called elite in this country are using the same Nazi terms, the same fascist terms.
As a matter of fact, if you recall and you might not recall, but there will be many in the audience who will that.
The symbol for fascism.
If you go back to a law dictionary and look up, or in any dictionary, look up the word fascism, which is the concept of world totalitarian state, the symbol for fascism is a fasci.
Fasci in rome was a bundle of sticks tied together with a hatchet head.
It was called a fasci.
And today on both sides of the presidential podium where the President gives a State of the Union message, you will see it nightly on television.
Speaker 2That room.
Somebody is always making a speech in that room.
Speaker 3The next time you see that room where the Congress and Senate meet, and they are and you see the presidential podium, look on both sides of the podium.
Don't look at the dunce talking.
Look at the symbols on both sides of the podium where the President stands, and you will see Fasciyes, right to the Department of the State, the State Department, and have them send you back something in a novel and look at the seal of the State Department.
Two fascis crossing.
That is a very ancient Roman Nazi fascist symbol, the crossing of the fascis.
Speaker 2That is a symbol for the United States Senate.
Speaker 3And today we're seeing synagogues being burned, Jewish people being shot by some lone crazy assassin.
Make no mistake about it, there is no such a thing as a loan crazy assassin.
There is an underlying, all encompassing anti Semitism which is growing in this country, and it has nothing to do with the American people, because generally speaking, the American people don't have brains enough to figure this out.
Speaker 2There are some very evil people who are.
Speaker 3At the reigns of government in this country, and unlessen until somebody starts reading the symbols and understanding where this stuff comes from, we're heading for another Nazi Germany, and I don't want to see that happening this country.
Speaker 2Now.
Speaker 3I believe that the UFO subject plays into this, not in the way that you would immediately think.
Speaker 2I am not saying.
Speaker 3That those people who see and experienced UFOs are fascists or Nazis.
I'm saying that I think that the technology which we are now calling the UFO experience could very well be some extremely articulate intelligent masterminds, and make no mistake about it, Nazi Germany had them.
I mean, we went to the moon with good old American ingenuity like doctor Vine van Bron and all the other Nazis that were brought here on the operation paper Clip.
God, if we only knew how much of our country is run on the whole pattern of Nazism.
I mean, the very reason why a child gets vaccinated.
All of these symbols and emblems are in hospitals, doctors' offices, government buildings.
The story is just so amazing, And this is why it works because ninety nine and nineteen percent of all of the American public have no idea and the world where any of this has come from, And they're going to wake up, as I said before, and discover we are in serious trouble because whoever has this kind of technology and it's there because I've experienced it.
If it's from another world, that these UFOs are from another place, that's frightening because.
Speaker 2I don't know who they are, and I.
Speaker 3Don't know what they've come here for, or if some very highly technically brilliant, gifted evil minds have taken this kind of technology and reversed, engineered it to use it today, and therefore what we're seeing today is Nazi UFO technology.
If that be the case, I am still frightened to death because it implies we don't have anything to match this kind of technology, and anyone who does is going to be our masters.
And America has always had enemies.
And this is the whole story.
We could go into as to where Nazism really came from and trace that back into Europe, and trace that back into the Church, and trace the Church history back to the third and fourth century.
Now you're getting into the secret societies behind the Roman Empire who.
Speaker 2Use the swastika.
Speaker 3All of a sudden, there's a whole world of knowledge that people who are well informed and who need to be And of course this kind of information usually is considered to be a need to know information, and you don't need to know.
I think it's the time that American needs to know who is behind this UFO technology, where is it coming from?
Because it's legitimate and it's real, and I can show you positive proof that this kind of knowledge and this kind of technology was being worked on by the best minds that Adolf Hitler had working for him, and today they are in America.
They do motion pictures and television shows on this kind of stuff.
About Operation paper Clip, there were rat lines.
The word is rat line.
Look it up in any encyclopedia or dictionary.
Speaker 2It will tell you.
Speaker 3That was a system by which the Vatican Rome.
The Vatican produced passports, money, all of the papers, the official papers for all the top Nazis to be fled out of Berlin and out of Germany.
When they began to see the war going against the Nazia movement, the Vatican began to give out passes for all of the top Nazis to get out of the country, and they were sent to Uruguay, Paraguay, into South America, Mexico, into Washington, d Z.
If they're really smart, and the Vaticans saw to it that all of the top Nazis were taken out of the countries, all of the teachers, all the theoreticians, all the scientists.
And today, happily America is on top in a dog eat dog world because we got the best Nazis in the world working for us.
Again, I'm saying, you better do your homework.
We are in serious trouble.
This kind of UFO technology which I told you about, represents, in my mind, a very serious.
Speaker 2Threat to all of us.
Speaker 3I for one, feel that this is an idea whose time has come.
To investigate this openly and let's see who the traders are in this country.
Let's see what's really going on in America today, because if we don't, and we lose this country to a totalitarian dictatorship, and that's what it's coming to, the federal government is the boss.
Speaker 2I don't care how.
Speaker 3Free you think you are and what you can do.
You do something this government doesn't want.
They'll plant dope on you, they'll find something in your hotel room, they will do something, and you'll be taken off or like usually, if you're a researcher, you just disappear and no one will know where you are and nobody wants to talk about it.
I'm saying, we better wake up and find out we're in trouble.
I for one, would like to be at the forefront of investigating this, cause I've had forty years of experience doing it.
So that's my personal feeling about our country, our time, and the UFO, the whole UFO subject.
Speaker 2I believe it's very legitimate.
Wow, I'm riveted.
Else the the American flag with the fringe, the gold fringe on the flag, and it's a maritime flag, which now puts our court systems under the maritime mamulty law.
Speaker 3Yes, w you see.
There are two kinds of law.
This is a subject I love.
I've been talking to talking about this for years.
There are two kinds of law on the earth that rule the whole world.
But most people don't know that.
All over the world, all governments are ruled by what is called civil law.
Civil law goes back to a Latin word civili, which goes back to the word ily.
Speaker 2Oh God.
I mean, go on for hours on this stuff.
Speaker 3Civil law, which is called in all countries the law of the land.
So you'll say, well, you can't do that because that's against the law of the land.
The law of the land is civil law, Roman civil law, the law of the land.
Speaker 2But there is a.
Speaker 3Second law which also operates all over the earth, identical.
It's called UC see Uniform Commercial Code.
Speaker 2That is the law of God.
Speaker 3In the world of business, I don't care if you're in Japan, in Africa, in China and Istanbul, Turkey, if you have a company, if you have a corporation.
If you are doing business where you buy and sell and make money, you are operating on this earth under something called uc see Uniform Commercial Code.
Because if all countries worked on a different commercial code, then nobody could do business with anybody.
You couldn't trust Japan to pay you, Japan couldn't trust America to pay them for the cars.
Speaker 2Because everybody has their own laws.
Speaker 3I AH, under the Caesars of Rome.
They established under Caesar that all nations in the Empire that do business, everybody plays on a level field.
If you do business in Africa with China, you pay them, and if Africa does business with American companies, you.
Speaker 2Pay.
Whatever it is you're doing business.
You don't mess around.
Speaker 3The most severe law in this world is called UCEC Uniform Commercial Code.
It's the bible of business on the earth.
Uniform Commercial Code.
Uniform Commercial Code is based directly on Vatican Canon law, on the Roman Canon law.
Consequently, when a ship pulls into port, it pulls in and stops in its call in its birth.
The ship is now in its berth because it is on the law of the high seas or commercial maritime see ze commercial law rules.
Speaker 2The seas.
Speaker 3So when the ship pulls into its birth, the first thing the captain must do is to present a certificate of manifest to the port authorities, which means that the port authorities need to know how much is on this ship that you're bringing in to our country and our economy, how many TVs, how many cars, whatever you're bringing, how much are you bringing into our economy.
So you have to have a certificate, a manifest of what is the value of your ship here?
What are you doing.
Consequently, when you are born, you come out of your mother's water.
Therefore you must have a birth certificate, a certificate of manifest, because you are a corporation owned item, you are a human resource.
This goes back to the German Nazi concept that every human coming out of their mother's water must be birth and therefore you have to have a certificate a manifest to see how much this individual is going to make for.
Speaker 2Us in our new world order.
Speaker 3I'm telling you that until you understand the laws, the symbols, the emblems, what these words mean, you're never going to say, suspect, how far gone we really are.
Did you know, for instance, that your birth certificate is a security on the stock exchange in the New York stock market.
Speaker 2Did you know that?
Speaker 3Because if you order your birth certificate, get a new one, order your birth certificate and only costs you.
Sometimes it's free.
It only costs you a few dollars.
Speaker 2Order your birth certificate.
Speaker 3On your birth certificate all birth certificates in this country.
On the bottom, it will tell you this is printed on security papers.
Speaker 2Do not accept.
Speaker 3If not on full color security paper, then on the right hand corner you will always have a series of numbers, red numbers printed on the birth certificate.
Those numbers are a security stock exchange number on the world's stock exchange.
You go to any good stock office and ask them check these numbers in your computer and see how much your stock is worth the certificate and they will check on the New York Stock Exchange and find you your birth certificate is a stock on the stock exchange in America.
Why, because you are worth money to the international bank that bought you in nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2We need to wake up.
This is serious stuff.
Speaker 1Wow, that's great in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2Yeah,