[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Jamie See Show, a soft place to land for visionaries, the feelers, the heart led leaders, rewriting the rules of business.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jamie See, author, educator, and eight figure founder whose work blends nervous system science subconscious rewiring and story driven strategy.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you know that your work is meant to reach more people, if you crave a business that feels as good in your body as it looks on paper, you are in the right place.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go way beyond formulas and we go into the felt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Reimagined through softness, strategy, and soul.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's begin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know how you are meant to make decisions?

[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Jamie Seashow.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so grateful that you're here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Today is an incredible episode.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have an amazing guest, Aaron Claire Jones, who is a human design expert and we are talking all things human design as it relates to her brand [SPEAKER_01]: how do you choose?

[SPEAKER_01]: We're diving into love, relationships, business, and all the things that allow for you to implement human design in the most incredible and validating way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's dive into it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I need to first off say how much human design quite literally has changed my life.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: really, really happy that you're here.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it has been about three years since I've been introduced to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually had someone that was working in my company that kind of introduced me to my entire chart, my husband's chart, my kids' chart.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was one of those moments where immediately, it was like, whoa, whoa, this is, it was a lot of information, a lot of information at once.

[SPEAKER_01]: But now, we've integrated it into all aspects of the business, the way that I do things, the way my team does things, and I think that being a human design projector, which you are as well, which I think it's incredible to be here with another projector, it's one of those things that is [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, probably one of the most validating experiences.

[SPEAKER_01]: So somebody who is new to human design is like, what, what is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Could you share maybe the most important aspects to know about what it is and why it's so important to understand your human design?

[SPEAKER_02]: So, human design is a system based on your time-date and place of birth like astrology, and it reveals how you're wired to operate in every area of your life.

[SPEAKER_02]: From business to relationships, parenting, to career, to decision-making, and I think it's useful to know because I think it just gives us so much permission to be exactly who it is we are.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think so often we look at what's worked for others and think that we should do it the same way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Only to discover that doesn't actually work for us.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think human design is very practical in that it really helps us know like how are we wired to move through the world in a way that will not only be more successful but also just feel a whole lot better.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will say the moment I did learn about it as a projector and the way that I make decisions, I recognized that a lot of things just started to make sense about why I was feeling called to do certain things or why things came easier to me than they did to other people.

[SPEAKER_01]: So as a projector, I would love to know what it do you feel with your own kind of process of learning about it, brought you to a place of, oh, projectors are now more geared towards this, or this is our secret sauce, or this is what our areas of genius are.

[SPEAKER_01]: What would you say as a projector that process has been like for you?

[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, around learning about it for me, or, okay, well, I think when I first discovered human design, I think similar to you, just felt like so seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like somebody put words to my inner experience in a way that I had never really experienced and I think the thing that made the most sense to me as a projector and what I've shared with so many projectors sense is that projectors are just very naturally wise about people.

[SPEAKER_02]: They just are very curious about people they want to understand how they work and it makes them very natural guides and stewards of others because they just are very tuned into them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that I have always felt that way that's been my life, my parents always thought I'd be a therapist, but I also never thought I could build a career around it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like that is a thing that I do and I'm going to go do the thing that other people do for work and so I think for projectors realizing that like that is such a superpower.

[SPEAKER_02]: that they just like really understand what makes people tick and like how they can support them what questions to ask and that's a gift that is like worth building a career around if that's something you're inspired by.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and one you realize that you were and you realize your partner's a manifesting generator.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're a generator.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what do you feel with specific relationships, how that affected you as a projector, him as a generator and that relationship together?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, you know, he and I have done so much together.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I think the biggest thing is that it's really helped us collaborate as parents and colleagues and all the things in a way that works.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, generators and human designer very natural doers.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have a pretty extraordinary amount of stamina.

[SPEAKER_02]: and projectors, our energy really absentee flows.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think there have been periods of our relationship where I feel like I've got to do as much as him I've got to keep up and like I just I'm bad at it and it makes me feel not great about myself.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it also really disconnects me from my gifts.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think understanding our designs I think has really allowed us to be really great collaborators in every area of our life.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I see this in so many relationships, I sit with so many couples and they're feeling so much friction not because there's a fundamental disconnection, but because they just are trying to be the same.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, and like, and I think human design helps us know how different we are, you know, my daughters are manifesting generators and manifestors, so we have four types of the five and one family.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so even as a mother, I'm looking at my daughters and I'm like, these girls really aren't anything like me.

[SPEAKER_02]: and I feel that already, and they are in their own ways, but it's just so nice not expecting them to be.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my kiddos are both projectors.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, and my husband is a manifesting generator, so we have one manifesting generator in three projectors.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even bring it a lot of power in the house.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I honestly feel that now that I know that about them and the way that they make decisions and it's really allowed me to understand how to Navigate making sure they feel seen and really honoring their gifts and bringing that to light and just knowing that alone Has been tremendous for their self development the way that they believe in themselves and the way that they show up that it's just a really really beautiful way of [SPEAKER_01]: knowing your people, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just knowing yourself, it's knowing your people as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: And as somebody who is serving, you know, thousands and thousands of entrepreneurs, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna talk on the lens of human design and kind of give like a little bit of the different types.

[SPEAKER_01]: And what someone can really remember about their business and their human design and how the two [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of come together.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so if you all don't yet know your human design chart You can look at about human design blueprint.com.

[SPEAKER_02]: There are five different types Like you said, there's like so much in the type just knowing that can be totally transformational and It's just the first piece [SPEAKER_02]: So there's also a lot underneath it.

[SPEAKER_02]: The five types are generators, manifesting generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifestors.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know many of the types of the people you work with?

[SPEAKER_02]: I know there are so many of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, I know there's a lot of energy.

[SPEAKER_01]: With my team directly, there are a lot of manifesting generators, there's generators, manifestors, and two projectors.

[SPEAKER_01]: two projectors.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am curious if you draw like a lot of projectors your way because your projectors.

[SPEAKER_01]: So let me start.

[SPEAKER_02]: Projectors because you are a projectors.

[SPEAKER_02]: So projectors are just 20% of the population.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, a big lesson for us projectors is that our energy ebs and flows.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're not really meant to have this consistent stamina that we expend daily.

[SPEAKER_02]: We might find that we actually are far more effective when we build in a lot of space and rest and pause into our days.

[SPEAKER_02]: This tends to be quite uncomfortable for projectors because one of our biggest shadows is feeling like we have to overdo and fill all the space.

[SPEAKER_02]: So being like it's okay to be unproductive.

[SPEAKER_02]: So as an entrepreneur, I think one of the lessons is [SPEAKER_02]: how can you really hone in on the place where you offer the most value and see how you can bring in support for the rest eventually if not at first and build a lot of space into your days and not have things back to back.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the other piece I know, the other piece I would mention for projectors is that projector energy is a little bit intense and I mean that in the best of ways, you know, they are so good at making others feel seen and understood, but if they are like trying to guide those, we're not looking to be guided by them, [SPEAKER_02]: it can be a little bit intense for other people so it's important for us projectors to see where our energy is the most invited in you know seeing who really recognizes us and makes us feel deeply seen whether it's our clients or whether it's a publisher if you're publishing a book whatever it is and making sure that's where you're funneling your energy and the last piece that I would say is that sometimes the people that see us are not the ones that we want to see us.

[SPEAKER_02]: or sometimes the people we want to be seen by aren't the ones that see us.

[SPEAKER_02]: So really, you know, just honoring where that recognition comes more easily.

[SPEAKER_02]: Curious how and if that went down.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of the biggest pieces as a projector and I think was really, really helpful is because we see things so clearly, and it comes very easily to us to think in systems and efficiency.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that I recognized was a superpower, and I also recognized, I also see solutions very, very easily.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so something that I had practiced for so long was I can't just interject.

[SPEAKER_01]: And say, here's the solution that you just want to event, didn't you?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just have to.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I ask for permission.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it okay if I share this?

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, are you looking for space?

[SPEAKER_01]: Or are you looking to actually have a solution?

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was when I was doing a lot of one to one work.

[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times they just needed space and I would just ask for that permission, what are you looking for in this moment?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you looking for a solution?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you looking to just have space held?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you looking to have an actionable next step?

[SPEAKER_01]: Ha, what do I want?

[SPEAKER_01]: So it would even give them a moment to really reflect inwards.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that became something very, very helpful because I would find even with raising my daughter.

[SPEAKER_01]: She would be having this struggle, and I would immediately want to fix it, because I could see the solution so clearly, and I should be like, wow, stop it, it's okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to have to sit here and listen and it's going to be fine because I know how to fix the problem though.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's that one for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well there's also another part of your chart specifically around and this is the five that you mentioned are I'm being a very natural problem solver and fixer and like you can't help us see the world through the lens of solutions.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so another big lesson for you is just like just because you see a problem doesn't mean it's your specifics.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and nor do they might not want to fix by you either, but also like what are the ones that you really feel inspired to fix.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that that's a really great lesson that you share it around asking people if they're ready for the guidance because as a projector just know that your guidance can be so insanely helpful and transformational and I would conserve your energy and make sure you're sharing it with those who want it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's going to be really, really helpful in all relationships, though, everything and everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: So what about, um, many gems.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, many gems.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, and your husband we think is a many gems, is that right?

[SPEAKER_02]: So, manifesting generators are multi-passionate, doers, and creators.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have so much capacity to make things happen when they feel genuine excitement about what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: These are people, my clients that tend to like do a bajillion things at once.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, I'm like starting a Jewish shop, I'm also starting a podcast, like I'm going to write a book.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like they just are meant to be and do many things, and so often they've been made to feel scattered.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or they're doing too much when they actually need that level of variety to really stay excited.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I would say a more practical level in business.

[SPEAKER_02]: This might mean that like you launch an offering in six months later, you want to change course.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you might do one on one and then three months later be like, I want to do a group offering.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is not you being wrong or flaky or non-committal.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's about you honoring your need for variety and change.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would say one of the most important tools for you is really informing those around you that this is how you operate.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they can kind of ride the amazing exciting, you know, train that you're on.

[SPEAKER_02]: The other piece that's relevant to business is that these people are also so fast.

[SPEAKER_02]: They can make things happen faster than anyone else and they can be quite disappointed in others if others don't match their speed So you know, just having a little bit more empathy towards the fact that not everyone is meant to keep up And you actually would probably better be served by people that are a little bit more methodical and not moving quite as fast as you And the last piece that I would share is that you're really meant to kind of let things come to you and just see what naturally sparks you and pulls you toward it So when you're trying to figure out your next offering your next client, don't force it [SPEAKER_02]: See what shows up, see how your gut responds and let that be the thing you follow.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I feel like with manifesting generators, the satisfaction aspect is like you have to do what is a full body yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: And otherwise, it's just not going to work.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to create a lot of frustration.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not a good feeling.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think with historically with business owners.

[SPEAKER_01]: there is this like well I am so multi passionate and I am all these things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do all of these things and it almost creates this lack of momentum because it's like well I can't choose something right like I can't choose what path I want to take or what I want to do and it's really truly like what is lighting you up what's really alive in you right now and then also the permission to pivot.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but yes, to your point, the timing is so important, you know, I think when I sit with manifesting generators that are like, I have five ideas.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, excellent.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's like go through each of them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, do you want to do this one?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is the timing right to pursue it?

[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, it's usually like one to two where the timing feels right.

[SPEAKER_02]: You might have five things you're excited about that will be brought to fruition at some point in the next decade.

[SPEAKER_02]: But you might have the energy for one or two or three right now.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's so smart.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of dialing not only on what actually lights you up and brings you that set as [SPEAKER_02]: what feels right to pursue right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's so powerful that I can imagine any many gem listening to that's like, like relief, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because now you can imagine if you feel that satisfaction, you feel that the timing is right, then, oh, I can move now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can move.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's okay to pivot.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay to change.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the one thing that a lot of times others will see this process of, I have to commit to this one thing forever.

[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't work that way, you don't have to.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you're going to feel so stifled because at some point, everybody got a new part of me needs to come out, and so giving yourself permission.

[SPEAKER_02]: And also, manifesting generators do really well with specific questions.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if they're ever feeling stuck, it can be really, really good of somebody close to them, pose them things in a really specific way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Not like, what do you want to do next?

[SPEAKER_02]: But rather, like, is this the right path?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is this the right time?

[SPEAKER_01]: and love that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, tell me more.

[SPEAKER_02]: So then we got generators similar to manifesting generators and that they also have a lot of just natural capacity to kind of do and build and create when they feel excited about what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think generators can really struggle with boundaries because they have so much resource that people can want to take advantage of it, you know, naturally because they are so capable.

[SPEAKER_02]: So really getting clear on like what they really feel available for, what actually it's excites them, what brings them satisfaction.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think where I see them struggle in business is that need to be like I'm going to just handle it all because I can because I should because I'm capable and I think with time giving yourself permission to really hone in on the pieces that just feel the most satisfying to do and find support for the rest.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's hard and yet it will likely give you so much more energy and the coolest thing about generators and manifesting generators is that when they're excited they lift everybody else up.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, as an entrepreneur, don't underestimate the impact you have when you're actually excited about what you're doing every day, because it basically won't start in magnetizing so much your way and give you a lot more energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I also want to just clarify that when we talk about being lit up and excited by what you're doing, this is not about being 100% lit up by every single thing you do every day, because we all have mundane, but necessary things we must do, it's that you are primarily satisfied.

[SPEAKER_02]: that you drop in a bed and you're like, can I just feel like really delightfully spent with the way that I use my energy today?

[SPEAKER_01]: I love that delightfully.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not my turn.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's from this amazing coach, Devon Bandissim, but there's nothing that I think can articulate that feeling that they're seeking more than that.

[SPEAKER_02]: They kind of end the day and they're like, I left it all in the field.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, I love that so much and I feel like especially with entrepreneurs and then need to feel like to do it all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that's a cross of war just absolutely not meant for us to do everything for us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me more.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, then we've got manifestors.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is a more rare type.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just about eight to nine for some of the population.

[SPEAKER_02]: but they're not really meant to do much of the finishing and they can really get stuck when they're like, I've got to complete everything that I started when like their gift is really in kick-starting new ideas.

[SPEAKER_02]: So in an ideal world they will have the right support around them that allows them to kind of hand things off and free up their energy for the next thing to initiate.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they need those team members, they need those four partners, whatever format takes, you know, but like their gift is again in the first steps, not in finalizing all the things, [SPEAKER_02]: I'd also say manifestors like they're really here to be quite provocative and different and just like are meant to do things in a really new and different kind of way.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I would not try to replicate the things that you've seen done.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would think about like what is the thing that you feel inspired to create because you're very much meant to like start that and then people follow that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Another core piece that I already see in my like one year old which blows my mind is that manifestors need freedom to do what they want when they want how they want.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I've seen manifestors struggle in business when they kind of build themselves into a business that like actually allows them very little freedom.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I would I would start a business with that in mind and like how can I really create freedom in my days?

[SPEAKER_02]: How can I hire and work with people that are really independent?

[SPEAKER_02]: Work and let them know what needs to happen and trust they can do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So really building a business that allows that freedom to say true because manifesto energy is also very bursty.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're like super on fire for a couple of days, weeks or hours, fall by like a real need to pull back and be alone.

[SPEAKER_02]: So having the people around you really understand those kind of fits and starts.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably so validating to these people who had felt maybe [SPEAKER_01]: Especially with the hustle culture and the do-do-do is this, oh, it might maybe I'm just not consistent.

[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's maybe it's something about me, maybe there's something wrong with me or the level of validation again with human design is unlike anything because you understand your energy cycles, you understand how you make decisions and you understand.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I know that I potentially am going to need some support finishing this or yeah, just the level of validation I think is really really important there.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think we often make ourselves wrong for the very things that make us us It's like, yeah, I'm flaky, we're not finishing it, but your gift was starting it You know, as a manifesting generator, like I'm flaky for wanting to do many things when like that's the thing that brings you satisfaction So it tends to just be like, oh, that's actually the thing that makes me great [SPEAKER_01]: I actually do not.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, just one percent of the population was why I said, yeah, I mean, you probably know that me just don't know that there are flexors, but reflectors are gosh, there are so many things.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would say in the context of business, we tend to call them evaluators.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we call them that just because they see sense and feel things that most people miss.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so they will do really, really well in a business where they are in a position of just like witnessing and observing and really offering their reflections on what's not working [SPEAKER_02]: Their energy is also very cyclical, you know, they might have weeks where they have a lot of energy, weeks where they don't, so ideally building a business that allows things to keep running while they also honor that energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would say on a more practical level, reflectors are incredibly impacted by their space and the people that they're around.

[SPEAKER_02]: They take in it all, you know, so I would think about how can you work in a space that feels deeply inspiring.

[SPEAKER_02]: How can you work with collaborators that give you so much energy?

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you amplify the energy that you're around, so the question for you is like, what is the energy you want to amplify?

[SPEAKER_02]: And also, they're very patient, slow decision makers.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when it comes to new ventures or things, I would really take your time to make sure it stays exciting over time.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I have in business have met a few reflectors and [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of working directly with them, I have not.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just know that I think with a reflector, there is so much necessary guidance for them because they're only 1% of the population and because their decision making is a little different and because [SPEAKER_02]: They're so deeply they're like who am I right who am I well that's a really important piece And I'm glad you brought it up is that reflectors are not really here to figure out the one thing that they are Are they're here to express themselves in a bajillion ways over the course of their life and so they can get stuck when they're like I've got to find my one purpose when the better question for them is like what is the version of you that feels the truth right now And how can you step into that and also give yourself permission like manifesting generators to keep of all they can change [SPEAKER_01]: I love all of this because I think when we look at humans in general and we look at their goals and their dreams and their desires and their desire to want to improve and change and be in relationship with not only themselves and people in obviously human design affects all areas of their life, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But also in business, how validating it could be with their business direction or the way that they run their business and even more so I'm really, really [SPEAKER_01]: how they make decisions, not necessarily, okay, I need to do this or I need to do this but more so how their human design authority and their decision making process affects them.

[SPEAKER_01]: So would you share a little bit on those?

[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: So beyond type one of the most powerful places to look is the authority.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it speaks like you said to decision making and I just think it's so I mean, it's why I call the book how do you choose because I just think making empowered aligned decisions in every area of our lives just changes everything it does absolutely so again you guys can look up your authority human as I am blueprint calm it's listed below type there are seven possible ones and this is you know you and I are both projectors, but we have different authorities.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is your authority?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm an emotional authority.

[SPEAKER_02]: What about your girls?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so my oldest is an emotional authority, and my youngest is Splenek.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: So let's start with Splenek because that's you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Nice meeting.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this authority is about being very fast on spontaneous.

[SPEAKER_02]: It means that you are designed to like get an intuitive hit, and that's it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to sleep on it, you don't have to feel into it like you just know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the hardest part for these authorities, at least in what I've seen, is that it is the quietest authority of them all and can take the most effort and just attention to access.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so really kind of carving out moments in your life that feel quiet, because without that, you can get swept away with what others want for decision and have a hard time trusting your own instinct.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of my clients with this authority have been [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very interesting because even collectively throughout my team when I know something I just know something and then I just do it like I just that that's that's the that's the choice and I've learned to hone in and trust it and a lot of times in the past before I went on my spiritual journey before human design or nervous system support or.

[SPEAKER_01]: The subconscious rewiring or anything like that, it was very much in my head making decisions and you can't make decisions for your intuition if you're always in your brain totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there was a lot of frustration that I would feel when I'd be feeling like I was.

[SPEAKER_01]: decision I needed to make her had to make her force to make now with being so tuned into my body and really deciphering the quietness.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love that you said that because it's now become just a whoo.

[SPEAKER_01]: There it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a knowing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a whoop.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times on my team, it's like, no, that's the direction.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, you sure?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yep, now they know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's so useful for the people around you to know whether it's a partner or other people you work with.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because then they won't pick, oh, you should sleep on it, or you should explain it.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, there it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: So can you actually just say one more time, like, how does it manifest for you?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I feel like for Sponica authorities, [SPEAKER_02]: It can be a voice, it can be a whisper, it can be like a feeling of resonance, it can be just like an internal like, oh my god, there it is, how would you describe it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very much my heart space.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it is this, it's almost feels like a light turns on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just, and it's like, ah, it's, there it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels very much the opposite.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it almost feels like the, the light bulb goes inward.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: When it's a wrong decision.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, nope.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't need to, [SPEAKER_01]: think any more.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that's that's a no.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay then we've got emotional authorities sounds like one of your daughters that's my authority.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know you might have with this authority and initial instinct you might have a gut feeling and yet for the big decisions you're meant to sleep on it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're basically meant to let your emotions settle and for things to just feel like clear and calm where's like oh of course.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that us emotional authorities can sometimes get really wrapped up in the moment, and our emotions can color our real knowing where we have to do it, and then I'll wake up the next day and be like, why in the world that I commit to that thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so just giving yourself a day or two to make sure that an initial instinct stays strong is what's important.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're probably not going to be as excited as you were at the beginning, but if it's like 80% then usually that's your green line.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I love that so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: So something that I have implemented into our sales call.

[SPEAKER_01]: process is understanding before any of my team members get on a sales call, they know the way this person makes decisions.

[SPEAKER_01]: So historically with sales calls, it's forced energy, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's get you, let's close you, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just not at all how we run anything in the company at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's so beneficial to understand the way that someone might need [SPEAKER_01]: to be asked questions, the way that they need to be seen, the way that they need to be spoken to, the way that they need to make a decision, and to give them the spaciousness to sleep on something, follow up with them the next day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Follow up with them in a week, follow up with them, right, or if they're a different type of authority, then they know, right, that it might be a yes, and to support them in making that decision.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, that really is so brilliant because I just think that a lot of sales processes are just catering to like pretty immediate decision-makers and there are plenty of them and there are also, I mean emotional authorities make up 50% of the population so the reality is a lot of us need time and so I just love that you respect that and like not only do you respect that you like make space for it because I feel like with emotional authorities like even if they tell me yes I'll be like amazing like I'm just gonna check into more like if it's still [SPEAKER_02]: So then we've got sacral authorities, so sacral authorities are gut-based decision-makers and they are meant to be quite fast like you, but it's very much based on like a visceral feeling in their belly that either pulls them toward or pushes them away from something.

[SPEAKER_02]: The best way to access that gut response is to have somebody ask them very specific questions.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll often have a client kind of talk through a decision they're thinking about and I'll talk about it for like 10 minutes and I'll have no idea what to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll say, but do you want to do it there with no?

[SPEAKER_02]: So like, no, no, absolutely not.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like, when they're posed a question in a very specific way, it bypasses their mind and gets them straight into their gut.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the consideration for them is like, when they drop into their belly, is it expansion or contraction?

[SPEAKER_02]: So it could be really cool on the sales calls to really tap into that specific question because it gives them an answer before their mind even has a chance to get in the way.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's just so...

[SPEAKER_01]: The body is so much waste, so much wisdom.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you can use it in small ways.

[SPEAKER_02]: My husband has this.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like, what do you want for dinner?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, do you want to go out?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, okay, great.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll figure it out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where we ended up going?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: So then we've got self-projected authorities.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll actually group them and mental authorities together.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're different.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm grouping them together just so that people don't get overwhelmed by all the possibilities.

[SPEAKER_02]: But self-projected and mental authorities are really meant to make decisions by talking things [SPEAKER_02]: It's really about being with somebody they trust and speaking things out to see how it feels to come out of their mouth It's not about looking to others for advice.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's truly just a process of hearing themselves talk that brings them the clarity they're looking for It is really interesting hearing them talk because all of a sudden like their words become more animated.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're words become more clear, and they're like There it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: There it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mental authorities specifically are often men's kind of talk things that with multiple people in multiple spaces because they're really sensitive to their space.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh [SPEAKER_02]: Then we've got ego authorities, which you actually might resonate with as well because you are a spun a authority but you've got a touch of this as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: These people are meant to make decisions based on what they want, what they desire, what they think they must have.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's this very strong willpower that's kind of guiding them forward and so a good question for them is like do they really have the willpower to make it happen?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like do they want it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like do they feel like there's enough in it for them?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like do they feel like they'll be receiving in return?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I can really [SPEAKER_02]: Do you feel this?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I feel that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, on that one's very, because the truth is, for me as a projector, it feels like there is this simplification, like, yes, I can do that very easily, and yes, it feels good, but there is that very much, like, it just feels like this energetic reciprocity is more of how I can explain that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think also with those who have ego authority and also those who have defined egos like you for the human design lovers who are listening, I think that when you say yes something and like your hearts and it like you could move mountains to make it happen like nothing and no one can stop you.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're half-hearted at all, it just is really hard to make it happen and because you bring so much energy and kind of like power and fire, you have to feel like you're so valued in return.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that can be like financially, that can be just like through words of recognition, like through appreciation, but like feeling acknowledged for what you're bringing is the thing that inspires you to show up.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so feeling valued is just also such a key part of your decision making.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the appreciation really hits.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, true for all projectors especially true for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: The final authority is a lunar way to lunar cycle authority also like it's none in my book and these people are meant to give themselves a full month before they make a big decision which to me always sounds super wild and then I talk to these people they're like obviously.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, I know it's not always feasible to give themselves a full month, but I think what I would encourage you to do is to just make decisions from an unhurried place, to let yourself have time to kind of disentangle other people's feelings from your own, to not be choosing based on pressure, but what really feels right to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I tell a story of my book which I find like such a good example of this authority where a couple was deciding whether or not to move to New York City.

[SPEAKER_02]: And one of them was a splanic authority like you and she absolutely knew that it was the right move and she came to me And she's like my husband's waffling.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so annoying one day is here the next day He's here and we looked up as authority and he was meant to give them some give himself a month So what she perceived as waffling was just his process of finding his way to clarity and so she'd been making him so wrong for it when it was just that That's how we got there and then he landed there.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's like we should absolutely move it just was on a different timetable than hers [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is why understanding the decision-making process within partnerships with your children, I mean, all of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: It just plays into every area, not only just for yourself, but the people that are directly in your life.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I cannot tell you how much compassion it brings to her relationship, so just be like, oh my God, they're not wrong for this.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're just different.

[SPEAKER_02]: And also now I have tools to know how to support that.

[SPEAKER_01]: If somebody is in a process where there's a certain situation that they actually maybe can't change right in this moment, or some of if they want to do, what would you say is that way that they can start?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a great question because it's not always feasible to immediately honor these things, you know, you might be a generator who wants to start your own thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: and you know it's right to leave your job but you can't right now because you're financial responsible for your family so I would say find small ways to begin to integrate these practices into your life and example like that you know if you can't leave your job consider how you can carve out a little bit more time each week where you can do something that feels deeply satisfying.

[SPEAKER_02]: And often by doing that, you'll start to pull more and more your way.

[SPEAKER_02]: You might be a projector and you're at a nine to five and you're expected to do do do do all day long, like think about whether you can take five minute breaks, where you just sit down without your phone and just like take a deep breath and give yourself permission to pause.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you might be a manifest or who can't really hand off all the finishing responsibilities and you have to finish it all and you know, think about what is something that you can start in your personal life that really feels like this is something [SPEAKER_02]: So I think about small ways, you know, and it's often taking those small steps that all of a sudden the big steps become a lot easier.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and also like you may be a generator who's like, I want to delegate all these things in the business and I can't yet because I can't afford to hire somebody and that's not feasible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like make a list of what those things are become clear and what they are and then like when there's time, hand them off one by one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually curious on one of those.

[SPEAKER_01]: For the ones that feel like they can kind of, [SPEAKER_01]: kickstart ideas, and they are in a process of running their own business hypothetical situation, and they recognize the starting is great, but the finishing is not so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: What would you suggest in that moment?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that I would make sure that they do create some space in their weeks where they can be starting something.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because the reality is like it will give them more energy and maybe it will make it easier to do the things that have to be finished.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if they're just in perpetual execution maintenance mode, it's probably going to be really exhausting for them.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I would kind of build some of that very innovative disruptive visionary time into their weeks, so that they can kind of access that energy that's so natural to them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So as a projector yourself, when you were writing your book, can you bring me through the process of [SPEAKER_01]: How did you go through that process?

[SPEAKER_01]: How did you find that energy?

[SPEAKER_01]: How did that entire creative process feel for you as a projector?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it wasn't quite what I expected.

[SPEAKER_02]: I will say what was so fun for me about the process is we talked about how projectors are meant to be invited.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I always know I wanted to write a book, but it was always a question of timing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I had this agent reach out to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I had many agents.

[SPEAKER_02]: I talked to many over the years.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was one agent I really wanted to work with.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had an agent reach out to me, I never heard of her.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we talked and I was like, I love her, she makes me feel so seen, she's amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like about to go pitch this agent that like a lot of my friends had worked with.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was just like, why?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like why try to convince somebody else when this woman's clearly sees me?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it was the same with publishers, I talked to all these publishers.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there was one who had reached out months before I was writing a book to be like, hey, are you going to write a book?

[SPEAKER_02]: I really want to work with you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she was the one that we ended up going with.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was the offer that made the most sense and she was so I met her.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm in love with her.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it was just so funny as a projected, like, go through this very traditional process.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, still only work with the people that had invited me in before they even know I was writing a book.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, that is so absolutely, so projector.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so projectory and I like still, you know, I teach this stuff and yet I'm always like, oh, I got to go do this thing and yet this is how it always happens for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the creative process was just like a little bit hilarious looking back because during my first pregnancy I had a lot of energy.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I had this real vision for writing a book during my second pregnancy.

[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that being pregnant with a toddler was kind of a different ballgame.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I had a little bit less energy than I thought.

[SPEAKER_02]: My first chapters were due during my first trimester, and so I was just like, my brain doesn't work, my body doesn't work, and so it was a process, and it was an amazing one.

[SPEAKER_02]: I actually loved it so much as a projector.

[SPEAKER_02]: I would say what I learned is that I kind of had this belief that I could do it all, that I was like, I'm going to write the book, I'm also going to be super active in the business, I'm going to be teaching.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think like a lot of things fell by the wayside so I could work on the book and my team really held it together so I think projectors loved depth and for me doing a lot of things at once was not the solution so I ended up just working on the book but I think if I am to do another I probably would just create that space at the front but I loved it I loved just going deep into one thing it was such a satisfying process especially after being kind of in the [SPEAKER_01]: process of now seeing people taking pictures of it from all over the world and tagging you in it.

[SPEAKER_01]: How is that then as a projector and having this project out there?

[SPEAKER_02]: It feels very surreal.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it still hasn't totally landed.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think that I'm just like, wait, it's out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's in an actual bookstore like, you know, we talked about this before we said a recording, but like I live in the woods, you know, and like not, it's honestly not that we're all like close to New York City, but [SPEAKER_02]: I think that I'm like not out and about all the time, so to kind of see people with it in a book store Just feels very vulnerable, honestly as a projector, and also feels really exciting You know, I think even I've had a few calls recently with people that are like not in a human design But they're like I was listening to like this chapter on the way to work and like my wife sent me this one and like I guess books are just so much more shareable than other things [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think I'm watching it touch a lot of people that, like, I just don't think would have ever come to human design.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that was the vision for the book was to make it accessible for everyone.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think it's been really fun to watch that happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably the most exciting part.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually have a question for you as a projector.

[SPEAKER_01]: When you had this dream of opening your company and helping these people in writing the book and you know that you're gonna have this massive visibility, you know you're gonna be seen, and obviously you have a very supportive partner who's working alongside you.

[SPEAKER_01]: How was that like with the family dynamic or are having friends see you in that way or having people that maybe aren't business owners see you in that way?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know if I'm interpreting this question in the way that you mean it, but it is kind of funny to have close people.

[SPEAKER_02]: See, I just feel like I have kind of two separate worlds.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what it's like for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is very much like there's this world and then this world over here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's especially like I moved up state from New York City and I met these new friends and like we actually didn't talk about work at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then they'd be like, whoa, you're like actually doing all these things and you've got this big community and I'm just like, I just, it didn't feel relevant.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it is interesting, like I feel like I do have these two separate worlds where I have the superhyper-local life that's like really about my kids and my community and like that takes up a lot of my world and then I also this like online community that I built over a decade and like I love them.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, I guess I feel seen by both of those in different ways and I don't really see that they need to intersect all the time and when they try to I'm like, I'm okay not being seen by you in this way because I feel seen by you in other ways.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's really the answer, but it has been interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think meeting people that are so not in the world that I've been growing up in the last decade and like really like relating to them Just totally outside the world and not feeling any need to bring it in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that so much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel with my [SPEAKER_01]: personal friends and things of that nature like they all watch, but we never talk about those things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're they'll they'll will be like a winery or something.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, saw that you got featured in Forbes and like what like I'm always a little bit like, woo.

[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I just wanted to say that I love everything that you're doing and you're doing amazing things and [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, that's great.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're just immediately talking about the kids and doing all the things.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's never, it's this very interesting dynamic because we are just hanging out with our family or doing these things.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there are a lot of people that are watching, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's never a conversation.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know I really feel that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't tell whether like why I'm hesitant sometimes.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I did have such a cool experience last week where I went into [SPEAKER_02]: Are you wearing queer tones and I was like and you know I feel like having a community like you are recognized out in the world But she was like I just finished your book and she's like and it changed my life and she was like, you know I've watched you with your laptop in here for a year I had no idea you were not there and then like all of a sudden I like made the connection where I was like Wait, that's the woman who wrote the book that I'm reading and like in a moment like that it was so cool I started crying but I was just like I feel like my worlds are so separate sometimes So to have that moment where it's like oh you're like out here reading the book [SPEAKER_02]: experience.

[SPEAKER_01]: I actually had a very interesting experience and very similar to the coffee shop.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Recently actually so we have a very much the same when we in the woods pretty much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I go to this coffee shop.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's new in my town.

[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up getting a coffee cup coming home and doing some kind of video and posting it online and it had the stamp of the coffee cup.

[SPEAKER_01]: and I didn't think twice about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought, yeah, drink from the coffee cup, whatever, and all these people in my community are like, oh my god, you go there and voila, and then it connected with the owner, and then she reached out to me, and then she's like, hey, we're going to be hosting these workshops, would you love what you're doing, what's teaching person, and I was like, oh my god, I'm going to be able to like connect, [SPEAKER_01]: gaps there and like be able to meet the community and be able to actually share some of the knowledge that I have with the people that it resonates with and it's really funny and interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that feels like the coolest bridge.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was never this judgment or [SPEAKER_02]: it was this open energy of oh my goodness let's do this let's do this and that was being seen the invitation and that was the invitation I think with projectors I think with both of what we're sharing I think what I am like just reflecting on and our our shares is that like it's not like we're trying to be seen in a certain way it just we're seen in different ways in different environments and I feel like [SPEAKER_02]: That's just a big lesson for projectors of like I think about was trying to be seen by all my mama friends right now for all my human design work.

[SPEAKER_02]: It probably would feel like a little bit weird because I don't and that's fine with me.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, whereas if I was trying to scene by all my clients for being a mother, like probably not going to be seen there either because they're not witnessing any of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I have learned that so much as a projector.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm not trying to be understood in a certain way and like their recognition is there or it's not, but not forcing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You hit it right on the money when I had said, [SPEAKER_01]: that I'm a projector and then you must attract a lot of them and do a tremendous amount.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the one thing that they always ask is how do I wait for the invitation?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think my response was you are the invitation.

[SPEAKER_01]: Your energy is the invitation when you show up, when you have conversations, when you are in the things that you know that you're meant to do that just is a natural by-product that it's going to come.

[SPEAKER_02]: that's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that like waiting is like going about your life sharing, you know, I think the invitation is not a passive thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like be proactive.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you do it beautifully.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're just sharing existing, going to get coffee, talking about things, and Instagram, and then like somebody sees you recognize as you invites you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like that's how it's meant to work.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I had to learn that like visibility is uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_02]: At least it was for me at first.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like that is the thing that leads to invitation.

[SPEAKER_02]: So like let yourself be seen and let [SPEAKER_01]: I also learned the last piece that I'll bring on the projector front was the biggest lesson for me as a projector and this might resonate with you as well is to deeply be seen in the most authentic way is to have that mirror back to ourselves.

[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be able to do the inner work to see your gifts to see everything that is happening internally versus [SPEAKER_01]: waiting for other people to see you and for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like the more you see yourself, the easier it is for others to recognize you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll sit with clients, they're like, I'm not seen for this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, do you know what you want to be seen for?

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you see it?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just not there yet.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's perfectly fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's part of the process.

[SPEAKER_02]: But again, the more you recognize your value, the more you stand.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the easier you make it for others to see you, too.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: So good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know that there's going to be a lot of people who want to read the book.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I have read it.

[SPEAKER_01]: it is absolutely incredible.

[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you for writing that because it is such a gift to be able to look through it and to recognize how, first of all, well, it's written and how easy it is to implement and understand and I just really, really deeply appreciate that because a lot of times with human design, I think a lot of people can feel overwhelmed by the processes you've made it so simple.

[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if someone is interested in learning more from you, following you, purchasing your book, work and they go.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the book is called How Do You Choose A Human Design Guide to What's Best For You at Work and Love in In Life.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can buy that anywhere books are sold on audible too.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's meant to be really accessible to those that are new and also for those that've been in it for a while, it's just meant to be a real practical exploration of how it can be used in your career and relationships in life.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, I want people to open up to the chapters about them, but [SPEAKER_02]: On Instagram, I'm at Erin Clear Jones and Human Design Blueprint, and then also at Human Design Blueprint, we sell these custom guides that are all about you, so if you also want to learn all about your design, that's a great place, and you guys have a discount code, which is Jamie, and that's at humanazionblueprint.com slash guide.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm, thank you so much.

[SPEAKER_02]: My pleasure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate everything that you've been doing and everything that you shared here today has been amazing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.