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Ladies and gentlemen.

You know today is a good day.

It's a good day today.

You know why today is a good day because we got the Twitter account back, ladies and gentlemen.

I can't believe it.

We actually did it.

I don't know how it happened.

Actually, I was sending in reports emails to Twitter left and right every single day.

I was kind of driving myself insane.

But today we broke through.

It actually worked Twitter.

Someone decided to work at Twitter today and they helped us out.

Very happy to get the Twitter account back again.

I don't know how it happened, but it happened.

We're back, ladies and gentlemen.

We got a lot of familiar faces here in the chat.

We got g mags, we got tylor, we got Salty Chip, we got Wrath, we got money Mike Madness.

How you doing, everybody?

Hello?

Hello, Corbin Bosocer, what's going on?

Yes, bo Soccer?

Happy Thanksgiving?

I mean we're what an hour and a half away from Thanksgiving here on the East Coast.

I'm excited for I've been so busy as of late, and I've been caught up with all the Twitter stuff.

I've actually kind of almost forgotten it was Thanksgiving.

It's just been a hectic time.

I'm excited to have myself a good meal, so but we got some things to talk about before we get to all the festivities tomorrow.

And I'm sorry to bring it up, but I hate to bring up a bad memory, but let's not have Juan Soto to the Red Sox again on Thanksgiving.

Remember that last year Juan Soto was going to the Red Sox.

Ladies and gentlemen.

Who the heck posted that again?

What was that guy's name?

I haven't even seen that guy since all that.

He was the star of the show last year on Thanksgiving and I haven't seen him since what Mick?

That was his name?

Freaking Mick.

What the heck is Mick doing these days?

But let's not have another episode of that.

Let's actually enjoy Thanksgiving tomorrow.

And we got some good news here that could lift the spirits a little bit more.

As we're eating our turkey and mashed potatoes tomorrow, it could be that maybe the Red Sox are actually indeed in the mix for not just Alex Bregman, but also a Pete Alonso or a Kyle Schwarbert.

We had gotten reports not too long ago from Alex Spear John Morosi that the suspicion was the Red Sox were looking more so at one of the big Bats.

I'll give you my thoughts on that in a little bit.

I've been kind of sitting on that report for the last few days.

I've been talking with a couple of people.

I'll give you my thoughts on that.

But uh, some more encouraging news on that front for the Red Sox possibly going after two of the big Bats.

We'll talk about that.

And also Dylan Ceese heading to the Blue Jays.

I know that's not Red Sox news, but that is Al East news.

And uh, listen, my personal opinion right off the bat, I think that, uh, that's a message to the Red Sox to say, hey, uh, let's get the let's tighten up the pants a little bit, and let's go do some work.

We gotta go do some moves, we gotta go get some stuff done.

Because Dylan Ceese he is gonna be uh, he's not gonna be fun to work.

He's not gonna be fun to go up against.

This coming year and for the next seven years.

I'll tell you that right now.

We just saw Dylan Ceese while they were playing the podsres this past year.

Dylan Ceze dominated the Red Sox this year, so they got to shore up the lineup, especially with him in the fold and Sonny Gray.

I know we have talked a lot of Sonny Gray here in the last twenty four hours.

I mean, heck, more than twenty four hours at this point.

That happened what thirty six hours ago.

There's been a lot of reaction, a lot of different opinions about that on both sides.

I think it was a good move.

I think it was more positive, but I saw just a lot of I don't know.

People have their opinions, right, and I respect all opinions, But the fact that I saw people out there saying it was a bad move, I just disagree.

I'm just gonna say that right off the bat.

I'll give you more details into why I think it's a good move, and I'll give you more of my thoughts on that as we get into tonight's show.

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Let's get to it, ladies and gentlemen.

So let's go over Dylan Cees here really quick.

We got to go over mister Cse.

Like I said, the Red Sox got to add something to this lineup.

You really have to get this lineup beefed up, because I know Dylan c e ra have a four point five to five this past year, but the FIP was a full run lower.

He's very good.

He led all of Major League Baseball last year in strikeouts per nine.

If you're asking front offices these days, what are you looking for out of a picture?

What are you paying mostly for a picture?

Well, you're you're looking at the strikeouts, right, and Dylan ces he's gonna get a lot of those.

He just showed you right before your very eyes this past year when they were going up against the Posres, that that man could dominate.

All right.

Sure did he have a lot of inconsistencies this past year.

Absolutely, But one big reason for that.

It's not always gonna be the full story behind why the FIP would be lower than the era.

There's gonna be a whole lot of other factors that come into play.

And I'll talk about that actually with Sonny Gray in just a little bit.

But the Pasreys all across the board were not great defensively this past year, and that did not help out Dylan Cease.

A lot of luck comes into play, you know, balls falling into play, a guy making a bad play out there that ends up getting recorded as a hit.

Where you know how many times this year on Twitter if we you know, set out loud, Wow, really that was recorded as a hit.

That should have been an error, all right.

You know, stuff like that comes into play.

So with Cese, I think it was a lot better this past year than what the ras suggested.

When everything was going right, he was very good right and when the Pasres were defending well behind him, things went well.

But you know a couple of things.

I think there was a couple of things mechanically with him this past year that he could make a tweak on.

I think he was missing spots more often.

The command wasn't as crisp as it had been over the prior you know a few seasons.

The walk rate did go up a little bit, was giving up some more home runs this past year, so you know that he is going to have to work on.

I think location was a big thing with him this past year.

That led to that bit of an increase with the walks and homers.

But in the end, I think it was a good deal.

You know I could.

I already did a video reacting to it.

I think the contract itself, I think it's fair value when you take a look at the fangraft wins above replacement with him, when you take a look at the advanced metrics, I think right now, I mean last season he put up more.

He put up a season that was worth more than thirty million dollars, so on average the last few years he's been worth around probably thirty five million per year on average the last few years.

I think the contract's fine.

I think a lot of people look at the era and then they just look at the high price and you think, wow, that's a big overpay.

I don't think it was an overpay, to be honest.

I think based off of what front offices are looking for these days, when it comes to a picture, when you take a look at the FIP, when you take a look at the strikeouts, when you take a look at the stuff that he has, I think it was honestly a pretty fair deal.

I think it was a good deal and out good for the Blue Jays, right, you came that close to winning a World Series, but you kept your foot on the pedal and they went and signed a guy to put at the top of the rotation for years to come.

And you don't know what's gonna happen with Kevin Gosman.

You don't know what's gonna happen here.

You know, Shane Bieber after next year.

You know, they don't have a lot of youth.

But other than trey Y Savage, you know, you do got Ricky Tiedeman who could make his way back at some point.

But they needed another guy in there, and uh, the Blue Jays.

They definitely got a guy with a lot of upside.

I think it was a good move for the Blue Jays.

But the Red Sox are going to have to counter with this lineup.

And we'll talk about that lineup in just a little bit.

But Dylan C's heading to the Blue Jays seven years, two hundred and ten million dollars.

Again, I'll say it one more time.

Don't just look at the era.

Listen, we're almost in twenty twenty six, Ladies and gentlemen, we gotta stop just looking at el Ray.

We gotta stop.

You gotta look more under the hood, right el Right.

Sure, I'm fine with it, but there's a lot more that comes into play just my recommendation.

You can agree with me or disagree with me.

That's okay either way.

So moving on here, let's talk a little Sonny Gray.

Now, I kind of, you know, dove into Sonny Gray a little bit more.

A lot of different reactions over the past thirty six hours or so.

I've seen a lot of positive, I've seen a lot of negative, and I've seen somewhere in the middle.

Right, it's pretty split.

I'm gonna be honest with you.

I'm gonna give you my my first opinion.

Maybe it's a bit of a hot take.

I think a lot of the reaction comes from the fact couple of reasons talking about era, right, Dylan Ceese higher era, but a little better under the hood, very similar with Sonny Gray.

I think a lot of people just take a quick look at the era at a four point two eight and they go, oh, what, that's not a number two.

I also think too a lot of us I've been expecting a name like Joe Ryan, Freddy Peralta Mackenzie Gore.

Even I think the fact that it ended up not being one of those guys, I don't know.

I feel like because people were expecting something and they didn't get it, maybe that came into play a little bit too.

Just my opinion.

But with Sunny Gray under the hood is going to be a lot better than the surface numbers.

And I was digging into it.

Why is the RA higher than the FIP?

Well, every time, and this is where I talked about with Cease, the ERA was higher than the FIP.

The first thing I always look at is the defense, right, So I went and did that with the Cardinals, and I thought to myself right off the bat, before even looking at the numbers, I'm like, wow, the Cardinals they were very good defensively last year.

And taking a look at the numbers, yeah, the Cardinals they were the best overall defensive team.

So I'm thinking to myself, like, man, well, what's the deal.

Well, why Gray's e ALA so much higher?

Because usually a bad defense is not going to help you out, right.

So I looked a little further, and you take a look at batting average on balls in play A three to twenty nine for mister Gray this past year.

That is extremely high.

When you take a look at the league average last year, batting average on balls in play was at a two ninety one.

Now, a high a high babbit doesn't always mean that you're getting unlucky, but it could definitely suggest it.

So I look further because I'm like, well, you know, Cardinals good defense, but a high babbob sounds like to me, probably some things were falling into play, right, Maybe quite a few too many bloopers that went against him, right that uh, maybe didn't help him out in certain games, Right, you ended up giving up a lot of runs.

Maybe there was, you know, a couple of little bloopers that, uh, you know, we look at the we look at the the line at the end of the game and you think, oh, wow, five earned runs, six earned runs.

Well, well that's not a good game.

Well who knows, you know, maybe you had a few situations where he had a couple of outs, a little bit of a bloop you know, what's the old saying, a bloop and a blast, right, you know, So I think Gray was getting a little unlucky this past year.

So I dug a little deeper now with Gray and bear with me.

I'm I'm gonna do my best at explaining this.

When it came to the batter ball profile with Sonny Gray against lefties last year, lefties pulled off of him fifty one percent of the time.

Well, left he's pulling, Well that's going to right field.

I took a look at how the Cardinals ranked defensively in right field.

Well what do you look at that the Cardinals last year?

They were middle of the road when it came to out's above averag Jim right field negative four.

A lot of pulled balls from the lefties.

Not great defense out in right field.

I think maybe that could tell you a little something.

I don't think that's gonna tell you the whole picture, but that could definitely come into play here.

Who know the Red Sox got out in right field?

Well, at least as of right now, hopefully they don't trade him.

But you got a gold Glove right fielder, and will you r bray you also, who do they got out there in center field?

Well, you got, Saydan Raphael, you got two of the best defensive outfielders at all of Major League baseball, Sonny Gray.

When it comes to righties, let's go back to the battle ball profile.

Taking a LuxI against righties last year thirty six percent out to center field, right around thirty percent to OPO And again you combine that with the lefties pulling, that's gonna be a lot of activity for Sadaan Rafaela and will You or Brave.

I think Bata ball profile works.

Another thing Sonny Gray does well against Righty's is in his career he has not let them pull off him very much.

Last year is a thirty four percent got out.

What he got out in left field.

Well you got that big old green wall out there.

He called the green Monster.

So the fact against Righty's he doesn't let them pull.

He does a good job at that.

He lets them go more center field APO perfect for SETI and Willyer.

I think it's I think there is uh, there's a lot of good things here with Sonny Gray.

Now do I think he is the best possible option you could have gotten as your number two?

I think I explained it as best as I could with one sentence in my reaction video on the main channel.

I think he's an okay number two.

I think he's a very good number three.

I think I think you could say he's an excellent number three.

I think he an okay number two, like a six or a seven out of ten, right, seven on a good day, six on a bad day.

That's kind of where I'm at.

If you put him in the three spot, I think he's a nine out of ten in the three spot, two spot, I'll go six or seven out of ten.

Could you go for an eight or a nine out of ten?

Sure?

But I mean, if you're looking, you know here, I'm not trying to you know, I'm not trying to, you know, convince everyone that you know Gray is the best possible move.

But I mean, if you're just going off with numbers, right, Gray was seventeenth in F four last year.

That is ahead of a guy like Joe Ryan, who the Red Sox were after twenty third.

Overall, you know, he had the better FIP, he had the better era, or sorry, he had the the better FIP, not the better era.

But they had a right around the same amount of strikeouts.

Gray compared to Ryan was a little better when it came to the walk rate, a little better when it came to the home run rate.

So I mean, if you're looking at Gray and Ryan, you know, obviously Ryan is younger, right, I know that comes into play too, but I think one year of Sonny Gray is not the worst thing.

And I really like Gray.

I think he's a big competitor.

He's a guy that wears his heart on his sleeve.

And I made this Twitter post on the backup account yesterday I did not have the main account back But he really reminds me of Jake Peevy, Like, not even looking at numbers, he reminds like the mentality he is Peevy to me.

I remember, go back to twenty thirteen, right, you trade it for Jake Peevy.

Just a bulldog out there, you know, a guy that just max effort, a guy that was gonna go out there, throw a lot of strikes, use the breaking pitches, use the off speed pitches, and he just competes.

That's how I see Sonny Gray.

I look at Jake Peavy kind of a guy and funny enough, when you take a look at the career numbers, they're actuallyually similar.

Jake PV was a lot better earlier in his career as he got you know, later in his career.

A couple of good seasons he pitched well for the Red Sox, in twenty thirteen, pitched well for the Giants later on.

So Gray has aged better overall, I think than Jake Pvy.

But again, when I'm just more thinking of the characteristics, you know, the pitch profile, the personality, I see a lot of Pvy personally, I think Sonny Gray is fine.

Do I think you know, you know, Freddy Parolta, that would have been fun Joe Ryan, of course he was the hot target at the deadline.

He would have been fun.

Of Course, Gray is not the sexy pick.

And I do honestly think because his name is not Paralta or Ryan, I think people soured on that a little bit.

I don't I'm not trying to put words in people's mouths, but I have that suspicion a little bit.

And the fact that he's thirty six years old, I'm okay with him as the number two.

And another thing too, I'm gonna say this, I almost kind of like the fact that you who knows, maybe they could, you know, come to terms on a new contract next year, but right now you have Gray.

You got him for one year, right.

The one thing that I look at is that the Red Sox, you know, you don't have a rotation spot locked down for multiple years.

You know, sure I would have loved Dylan cease right, but I like having, you know, the freedom you just have him for one year, because what happens this year of Connolly Early, Peyton totally of one of them?

Are you know, if they're both still with the team, one of them I think could be used in some sort of trade.

We'll see.

But what if one of them really emerges?

What have you got?

Like?

What if Peyton totally ends up just busting out this year Connolly Early continues to do what he's doing.

You know, in a way, I like that you got Gray for one year because it kind of gives your rotation for the future more flexibility.

I like that aspect.

I think you got another good year out of Gray, but then you don't got to worry about the future.

If you had brought in Gray on like a three or four year deal, then I think you could definitely have some pause.

But one year, I think is fine.

I'm excited to see what Andrew Bailey can do with Sonny Gray with all the pictures that he has.

I mean, Gray is a guy and another thing too.

I'm gonna I'm gonna look at this.

I saw a lot of people out there.

I'm not gonna name any names, you know, putting out Oh he look at the numbers at Yankee Stadium.

He was terrible at Yankee Stadium as a member of the Yankees.

I mean, and when people right away, they go right to the point.

He can't handle the big market.

A lot of that.

The reasoning why he didn't do very well with the Yankees is I don't think he was a great fit from a picture point of view with what the Yankees were doing at the time.

Yet Roth's child there where he was trying to say to Gray, hey, these are your best pitches.

We need to just focus on these.

But Gray is not that kind of a guy.

He's like a free spirit in a way.

He's talked about this.

He talked about this on FOULT I believe MLB knows MLB Network not too long ago, and he said, Hey, there's times where I'll be about to throw a slider and then I end up doing something different, Like He'll be He'll change what he's gonna do mid wind up.

You know, he just kind of he just is evaluating everything going on, and he just he pivots.

He calls audibles, right, And the Yankees wanted him to kind of fit inside this box.

They wanted him to throw certain pictures instead of just using a whole bunch of different ones, which he's more comfortable with.

So, and another reason, if you want to look at the fact, oh well, you know, okay, Well, Robbie, the numbers at Yankee Stadium, they weren't very good.

Well, when he's pitched at Yank Stadium a couple of times in his career while on different teams, the A's and the Twins, he pitched well in both his starts there.

So then and then of course, you know, Yankee Stadium itself, I don't know, you know, he got some weird dimensions there.

Oh another thing too, I mean, what did we just say with Sonny Gray looking at the bat of ball profile.

Well, I mean go back to this if you really want to go, you know, think about Yankee Stadium.

Well, like we said, against lefties this past year, I'd have to look at you know, let's look at the career numbers against Sonny Gray.

Lefties in his career, lefties have pulled off of him forty six and a half percent of the time.

Well, that's not very good for Yankee Stadium.

I just don't think he was a great fit there.

I think they were trying to maybe manipulate his pitch profile.

Is pitch repertoire a little too much?

Maybe the ballpark wasn't a great fit.

Who knows, I can't remember that far back what the defense was looking like.

I just don't think it was a great fit, don't.

I don't think the narrative of oh, he can't handle a big market, he's mentally weak, he can't handle it.

I don't think that's fair.

I'm just looking at the numbers here.

I don't know, because I saw people posting that, and I think it's in my opinion, I think it's lazy.

You know.

I'm not gonna sit here and say, oh my god, I'm the smartest man in the room.

But just look a little deeper, you know.

I don't know.

I never bought into the idea that he just couldn't handle it.

You know, some guys, yeah, they do have issues with pitching in a big market, you know.

Yeah, mentality wise, that can come into play.

But I look more at the numbers, and I think Gray is not a bad picture at all.

To add to your rotation.

I think in the end, the Red Sox got better.

That's the way I look at it.

You can look, you can talk twos, threes, number fifty six.

I don't care whatever numbers you use.

I'm looking at do the Red Sox get better?

And I think that got better as of right now.

Fangrafts projects the Red Sox starting pitching at number two.

You know, projections are projections, you know.

But Fangrafts, you know, they got some pretty smart people over there, and they've done very well over the years.

So whatever.

You can talk twos and threes all you want, but I'm looking at the fact that they got better.

They added a good picture that it wants to compete, that wants to go after a championship.

He went to Saint Louis to try and win and it didn't work out.

He wanted to come to Boston.

That's another thing too.

I'm happy with it, man, I'm happy with it.

That's just me.

It's okay.

If you do not like it, that's that's okay.

I think he's gonna end up being a pretty solid guy for the Red Sox.

I'm okay with it.

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And also in the chat, I think you pulled up a you put.

You made a great point there TD twelve eighty eight.

You said here he threw his meatball.

Sonny Gray threw his meatball fastball last year, more than his other pitches, including the nasty sweeper.

That is a great point.

I actually want to point that out really quick about Sunny Gray.

I do expect the Red Sox to make some kind of a change now we're talking about the Yankees, you know, change the repertoire a little bit.

I could see the Red if they were to make one change with Sonny Gray.

I do think they're gonna have him get away from the fastball a little bit.

You know, it's it's it's funny because I love doing the reaction streams.

I love giving my initial thoughts like yesterday when we went live, but I need more time.

I got to dig into these stats a little bit more.

But this was one thing I noticed with Gray that I forgot to mention.

Last year, batters hit three seventy six against his fastball, five ninety four on the slugging against it.

The Red Sox over the last couple of years they've gotten away from four seamers, so I fully expect the Red Sox here to have him get away from that four seamer.

It had a negative four run value on it, So I could see maybe the Red Sox wanting him to lean more into the sinker.

And that'd be great.

If he can use the sinker a little bit more, that'll get more ground balls.

Especially if Bregman comes back and Marcella Meyers playing second base, you're gonna have better defense there.

Story he's gonna have to fix something there.

Let's see what happens at first base.

But I could see them going more towards the sinker.

That was another one where batters were hitting two seventy seven against it.

But maybe you know, he can mix some match with the you know, the sinker and the cutter a little bit more.

But I do think you're gonna see heavy breaking ball usage from Gray.

I mean, lots of sweepers, curve balls, mix in the cutters and the sinkers a little bit more.

Maybe you know, put a cup a few fastballs, few four seemers along the way.

That's kind of what I think.

I think they'll get away from that four seamer a lot.

I think they'll use it in certain counts right to help set up stuff.

Anyway, that's all for Sonny Gray.

Let's talk the bats.

We gotta talk to the bats.

Ladies and gentlemen.

Listen.

We talked about this the last couple of episodes.

What's gonna be the deal with the bats?

What is the plan?

We got a report not too long ago, Alex Spear.

John Morosi has said at the top of the show, one premium bat is most likely.

I'm gonna say this, though I did talk about it.

I gave a lot of different ideas about if they were to go after one bat.

We gave the other couple of nights ago.

We came up with a whole bunch of different lineups.

Where you brought back Bregman, then you go after a lower tier bat, maybe like Okamoto something like that, or if you went after Alonzo or Schwarber, then maybe you can make a trade for someone like to Tell Marte or Brendan Donovan for example.

But my personal thinking is they should just spend the money and go bring back Bregman because he brought so much to the organization, both performance wise and off the field.

Great in the clubhouse, he was great with the young guys.

I think a role model, kind of a player that you can build around who could still be productive for you obviously, but also be a face of the franchise kind of a guy.

Right, he'll be front and center to talk to the media, and he'll give you good defense at third base, of course, But my thinking is why get cute here?

Why and this is where?

And no disrespect to John Morosi Alex Spear, I trust whoever they're talking to out there.

But I thought about the word that Alex Spear used and the word suspicion.

He said it was his suspicion that they would only go after one bat, and I've sat on that for the last couple of days.

And I thought, especially after the Gray move, if if you're not signing cease for example, which now they're not, then you know and you and you just you got Gray on a pretty good deal.

You know, the Cardinals paying a lot of it down and they kind of rework the contract a little bit.

I believe it's only a twenty one million dollar hit on the payroll.

Then why would you not go spend a combined fifty to sixty million for Bregman and Alonso or Schwarber.

I think that's the best way to go, to be honest.

I mean, if you're going to spend now, if you want to make the argument about going for one bat on the market and then making a trade for Katel Marte, well then I could be sold on that, right.

But that's that's another factor in itself.

That's another that's another hoop you got to jump through too, because you got to line up on a trade if the d Bacs want to trade Marte.

So I think, if you really want to go for the sure thing, throw down some money on the table and go bring these guys in that want to win.

All three of those guys Bregman Schwarber Alonzo.

They want to win Bregman.

I've been on the record saying I think he's going back to the Red Sox.

I think they should.

He changed the culture.

He completely changed the game.

When he came here, you just felt it.

You could smell it in the air, you could taste it.

It was different.

There was something different with Bregman in the air and it was working.

Don't fix us, not bro, bring him back.

Yeah.

I know he had the quad injury, but have you been watching Bregman on Instagram.

This guy's been training like a maniac out there.

He's been doing front squats too.

I'll tell you right now from a man that absolutely hates front squats, those are gonna be great for your quads.

So Alex Bregman, he's building up some juicy quads recepts as we speak.

You don't gotta worry about that quad moving forward, because he's getting those.

He's getting those puppies nice and strong.

He's gonna be good to go.

I think he's gonna be all right.

Don't worry about the quad.

Bring back Bregman, you need him.

Then you gotta focus on one of these power bats now, you know.

Yeah, O Kamoto, you know, could you do that?

No?

Whatever?

Could you take a chance on Murakami?

Of course you could, of course you could.

Well why not?

But is that the right way to go for the Red Sox right now?

Do you really want to go out there and bring in a guy that you just don't know?

I'm sure Okamoto and Murakami could end up being good talents, but the keyword there is could you know what you're getting with Schwarber?

You know what you're getting with Alonzo?

Don't take chances, don't get cute, go out there and go get it done.

I don't know, like to me.

And we just talked with Sam Kennedy here on the channel not too long ago.

He said, they want to go out there and win.

They are now in this competitive window.

It's time to quit the talking.

It's time to do the walking.

And I just said here, you know, and I said to Sam Kennedy as well, right here on Monster Territory, I said, hey, the Blue Jays, because they're just coming off a World Series appearance, there were three outs away from a World Series because of them and what they did this past year.

Are you planning to be more aggressive?

And he said, hey, Listen, we're gonna go out there and we're gonna go.

We're gonna go try and make some moves.

Right.

And now you just got the Blue Jays signing Dylan Cees circling back here.

They just brought in a good guy like him.

Well, now you've got to counter with a big bat all right, you got cs He's gonna strike out a lot of batters.

Well, uh, meet Kyle Schwarber, Meet Pete Alonzo.

I think that's a good counter if you ask me.

Just saying again, getting back to the Spear and the Morosi reports, I kept thinking about the word suspicion in the end, that's speculative suspicion because it's you're not fully sold, right, But you're thinking maybe that's coming from something.

Is that because of the lack of you know, a couple of years ago full throttle?

Is there's still something lingering there, a little bit where you don't want to go out there and say, Okay, they're gonna go spend, they're gonna go drop all the cash.

Maybe he wanted to hold back a little bit.

Maybe he had heard a couple of things, wasn't fully sold on them, going after a couple of guys.

But I think history shows over the years.

You can say what you want about John Henry, but every time this team is in a competitive window, they go out there and spend.

Especially when they're entering a competitive window.

John Henry time and time again has done it.

I've talked about this at length.

I've talked about it at nauseum.

You go back to two thousand and seven, Right, two thousand and six ended up being that Briggs year.

But when they were going back into that window, they went out there and got JD Drew, Julio Lugo, Dice, came Atsusaka, They went and made the moves.

They got Josh Beckett the year prior, right to set up for that.

I mean twenty thirteen, you know, already had the core there, so they kind of filled in at the gaps, right, Napoli, Victorino Gomes, Steven Drew twenty eighteen.

To as they're going into the competitive window, you bring in David Price the following year, Chris Saale the following year, Jady Martinez.

Right, They've done it time and time again.

They added last year.

I fully expect to see them take a step forward again this year.

I think they will And I don't know, Like I think about the report, and I'm not fully sold that they're going to hold back.

Could it end up being where they get Alonzo, Bregman, Schwarber one of them and then they go after someone lower tier.

Yeah, But I think, to me, when the opportunity is right there to spend some cash to go get two of those out of those three, Bregman and Alonzo or Schwarber, I think you gotta do it.

Jared Carabas he said on the Baseball Is Dead podcast today, he was giving you a little bit of a tidbit.

He was kind of suggesting something.

I don't know if anyone caught it.

He was when he was talking about Sonny Gray.

He said that maybe he had heard a couple of things out there and said some meetings with a certain player Bregman and whoever that other player or agent is.

He said meetings were going well.

Well, Carabas knows things.

He's got some scoopy scoops out there, and you know again, but then I just think back to the report.

I was never sold of the word suspicion because to me, there is that's subjective and opinions are coming into play.

With that.

It was never a solid fact to me.

They never fully said that they couldn't go after two of the bats when it clearly makes a lot of sense.

Bregman, you bring back for a multitude of reasons.

Schoorber or Alonzo you bring in for one reason and one reason only Dingers.

They were bottom ten and home runs after Rafi last year.

You need power and you could you get that from Okamoto?

Sure, could you get that from Murakami, Sure, but it's could you know what you will get with Alonzo and Schwarber.

So we'll see, we'll see.

In the end.

We can only sit here and speculate.

But we did have this from Jen McCaffrey.

She also was saying this here.

Pete Alonzo and Kyle Schwarber remain in the mix in addition to a reunion with Alex Bregman.

But Breslo described free agent talks with hitters still pretty early on that front, noting free agents are getting a feel for the market and it is early.

It is you know, we can sit here and say, come on, go make the moves right.

Well, hey, these players they're living their own lives.

At the end of the day, they're looking for contracts.

They're looking for long term homes there.

They don't care what you think, and that they don't care how angry you get that that the Red Sox haven't signed them yet, that they could care less.

Right, they're out there living their life and their agents are doing the work, and that's why they're paying the agents the big bucks to get them the deals.

Right, So it's gonna take time.

Right now, I'm still I'm at like the other day when we were talking about that the Morosi Spear reports, I was fifty to fifty I feel like now personally based off of what I've read and you know, kind of getting a feel, you know, talking to a couple of people.

I'm thinking to myself, I'm at like, I don't know, maybe like a more so a sixty forty fifty five, forty five somewhere around there.

I think it's like this article says here, it is still early.

It's still just it's too early to tell.

You gotta wait, you gotta wait for things to materialize.

But I do think Dylan Ceese coming off the board, I know that's a picture, but still teams have needs and Dylan Ceese, you know, teams are gonna start pivoting now, and that's gonna be one domino that falls, and that could make another domino fall.

Right, So I think you're gonna start seeing some action.

I think more winter for me, Pee Alonzo, Kyle Schwarber.

I feel like winter meetings.

I don't know.

That's not off of anything I've heard.

That's more of a gut feeling.

I don't know.

It just feels like winter meetings for one of those guys, you know, kind of that sweet spot of the offseason right where they kind of want to get stuff figured out.

Pete Alonso, I don't think he's gonna wait a long time to want to get something done.

I think he wants to find his home.

He spent all last offseason not getting a deal, you know, until late.

I think he wants to get it figured out.

Schwarber.

Schwarber is what he is.

At this point.

You know, you're getting a lot of dangers with Schwarber.

I don't see why you have to kind of tap dance around it.

You know he's gonna give you immediate power.

His skill set is there, you know what he is.

I don't think you really need to wait around a whole lot for him, But I think over the next couple of weeks, I think you could see something.

And I think Winter Meetings feels about right, So we'll see.

But those are my thoughts.

Still haven't fully heard anything yet, but I think you are starting to maybe see some good signs.

And again, and I talked about this with the Gray trade, I think the fact that you didn't really give up a whole lot of assets to go acquire him, as well as money, I think suggests that the Red Sox could be big players for a couple of big signings or a big signing and a big trade.

They can do a lot of things right now.

And the Red Sox they have good leverage right now.

They're in a good spot.

They just are.

I think they that they crossed off an item on the list with Gray by bringing in good insurance, and I think it was a smart move on their end because they got that done, because you don't sounds like to me, you're still waiting for this market to unfold, and the Red Sox they saw an opportunity.

Craig breslo he saw Sonny Gray available, there was probably some movement with other teams, and he thought, you know what, the Twins they're being fickle when it comes to Joe Ryan, the Brewers not committing on trading Peralta.

But Gray, we know can get moved.

Let's go get him, let's go figure that out.

And he got it done instead of waiting around.

Because when you wait around, you can miss an opportunity.

So I think that was a good move.

And people are saying, you know, yesterday, oh man, well, you know he's not defining what you know, who the number two is and whatever, and you know they're getting onto his answer saying, oh well, I don't think it's appropriate to name a number two right now.

I think in a way that I look at that positively.

I think the fact that he is not committing to what the order of the rotation is right now, that's a positive because he's keeping open the possibility that something can happen.

He's waiting for the market to unfold.

He doesn't know, so it's like, just let it happen.

I think getting great right now is a good insurance policy.

He's he the best number two you could get.

I think you can make an argument to go maybe get a little bit better in that spot.

I think he's an OK number two.

I don't think he's the best number two.

That's what I think.

I think he just good a chance on it while he could, instead of sitting around on his hands, and then all of a sudden he he misses other opportunities, right, or other things just don't happen.

He was decisive, and I like that, but I wouldn't look at it negatively that he's saying, oh, well, I don't think it's appropriate to name the number two.

Just wait.

That could mean that maybe something else could happen.

You know, you don't know what the roster is going to look like.

There's so much off season left.

So that's where I'm at.

I feel like I'm just rambling at this point.

I'm gonna wrap it up right there.

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I do see a lot of you still in the chat.

What have we got here?

Brady four k Skens isn't getting traded.

Unfortunately, they're not trading him.

Nick Barrett MLB would probably veto that trade oh for Skien.

Yeah, I don't think Skeen's is going anywhere now.

The pirates they want to compete.

Man, they're not gonna get rid of him.

I think they give it a couple of years before they That's when I think you can't let that value go down anymore.

I think you got to wait at least a couple of years.

Rath figgs thoughts on Giolito.

I saw people out there saying that Sonny Gray was simply a swap for Geledo.

No, No, Sonny Gray is so much better.

I love what Geolito did this past year, but holy cow, Gray, what's under the hood is far better than what Geolito did.

No offense to Gealldo.

He was solid and I love what he did.

He was a competitor last year.

But Gray is gonna give you more upside there.

I saw people tweeting about it yesterday and I'm like, what are we talking about?

No, No, TD, Joe Ryan, I mean, listen, it comes down to, you know, do they want to move them.

I don't know at this point.

I don't think anything happens with the rotation until down the road if it does, because I mean, you got Gray.

You don't have to worry about it.

You got to start focusing on what you need.

You have a lot of pitching there.

There's a lot of it.

Peyton totally, Connolly early, They could be guys, they could be dudes.

You got Crutter, Crawford coming back, Patrick Sandoval coming back, obviously Bao Or hoping he could take a step forward.

But you got a lot of arms there.

You don't need to focus on the rotation right now.

They need to bring in a bat.

They don't have any other bats that could, you know, besides Cassus for the middle of the order that could maybe be an impact guy.

You've got no one else right now, so you need to go address the power.

You have to.

There's no at least with the pitching you have guys.

You have dudes that you could fall back on possibly to take a step forward.

You don't have that with with a power hitter right now.

You know.

Yeah, you got Yo Stinson.

I don't know, I don't know, it's he's a what if you know, you don't know costas, you don't know.

You need to go get a sure thing for the power Tyler, would you rather trade for Schooble?

And try to extend him like Crochet or try to sign him next off season.

I wouldn't trade for schoobl to be honest.

You've got the farm system in a good place.

I don't think you should blow it up from one year, to be honest.

If there are a couple of years on it, you can make that argument because then you have at least a draft in the mix.

There a couple of drafts where you could replenish.

I wouldn't do it because it's going to be expensive for one year.

Any chance we get Bregman plus two free agent bats, I think Bregman in one maybe two mid tier bats.

I think it's either going to be Bregman and Schwarber or Alonso or Bregman a mid tier bat and then another trade.

I think it's gonna be one of those.

It's kind of where I'm at, Tyler.

I think we need to go all in on our next off season.

We'll see John Henry will he want to give out the richest contract for a picture in Major League history.

I don't know.

Doesn't sound like something John Henry would do.

I mean, he did pay David Price the big money.

Maybe we'll see.

We'll see what else we got?

B Snyde.

I love gray Way more than Gioledo.

Yeah, I do too.

Again, I love gi Alito, So I kind of hate saying that, but that's where I'm at.

Money, Mike Bowhm at first base.

You know, could Alec Bohm be a possible fallback at some point the right handed bat of Famiway Park.

I think maybe possibly we'll see a lot off season left.

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